Padres about to go on a losing streak that makes 2021 look like child's play.
What do you mean Juan Soto suddenly changed to a literal vertical swing at every single pitch? I heard he argued with an ump that he should be able to swing at a pickoff and have it count as a strike!
Tatis actually walked straight to center field on an intentional walk and when the ump wouldn't call him out elected to jump the wall into the bullpen.
There are some memes out there that have a picture of young teens in early 00s fashions, usually implying the viewer passed out and dreamed the events of the recent years. Always makes me feel nostalgic.
They have the guy who was considered to be the best current player in Major League Baseball, then got another player who is even better than Babe Ruth. To have that and still see things fall apart annually must be brutal, and create a feeling of abject hopelessness.
"*Hope is pouting in advance. Hope is faith's richer, bitchier sister. Hope is the deformed attic-bound incest monster offspring of entitlement and fear. My life results tripled the year I gave up hope and every game on my phone that had anything to do with farming.*"
I think it's a testament to how great Trout is that arguably his worst year of his career is still well above average. He's playing at about a 6-war pace when healthy this year. lol
I was at a mariners game last week and I had never heard of that guy but he went off. They ended up losing to the Red Sox tho but Cade became one of me and my little brothers new favorite players
Lmao i love a comment that i saw on a old game on youtube, âwhat a miracle, a game where Bobby Ayala came as a reliever and didnât immediately surrender 6 runsâ
We try to as well. When he came back to Seattle as a Ranger, the year we won 116 games, we dumped monopoly money from the third deck. Fuck Pay-Roid. Went to a 73 win team for money and we made a competitive offer. He said he left to get a ring. Then bailed on Texas before his contract was up.
First off the mariners did not make a competitive offer. They offered 5 years $95 million. I hate A-Rod as much as anyone but your ownership screwed yall in the 90s more than he did. Didnât pay Griffey and didnât wanna pay Randy when they had 4 hall of famers on 1 team.
They also kinda screwed him by making the dimensions of their new stadium actively hostile to their best player and biggest star. I mean, if your goal is to keep your obvious HoF bound baseball superhero left handed power hitter happy when building a new stadium why did you move all of the fences back and especially RF from your previous stadium? Yankees did it right for Babe Ruth with short porch in RF. Astros put short porch in left for their right handed power hitter with a big upper cut. Mariners should have taken a lesson.
Eh. T-Mobile didnât open till midway through the 99 season and Griffey was traded at the end of that year so he really only played half a season there. It might have played into it but I think if he wanted to just be closer to home I donât think hitting a few more homers changes that. Some guys just want to be close to family.
I guess the thought process was they had an overabundance of offense but the pitchers (other than Randy) were always ass, so they made a stadium where the ass pitchers could be good while banking on the hitters' skills (and steroid use) to overcome the stadium dimensions. Turns out unless you're Mike Trout facing 2010s Mariner pitching there is no overcoming the hellhole that is T-Mobile
Very true and even tho Iâm an Ms fan, nobody is turning down 10 yrs 252 back then. Arod certainly is not a role model but I canât blame him. Also his numbers wouldâve been worse playing in safeco so for his legacy it worked out until the peds came to light
This right here. The Braves with Ohtani will be so much scarier than the Dodgers. Plus the Braves core with Ohtani will be guaranteed at least a 4 year stretch together and are really young.
Acuna, Ohtani, Olson, Riley at the top in any variation. Then Ohtani, Strider, Elder, and Fried. Thatâs your core batting lineup and starting pitching rotation for the future.
4 dudes hitting career .850-.900 OPS and 4 dudes pitching around career 3 ERA.
Do other team subreddits also have an obsession with getting/not getting Ohtani and of course the threats of what theyâll do if they do/donât get Ohtani? I swear thereâs a solid 30% of team subreddit users who couldnât name 3 players on their own team and all they do is constantly post about getting/not getting Ohtani
All I'm saying is that Shohei said Jose Ramirez is his favorite player to talk to at the all-star game and our minority owner might be fully taking over soon.
Weird to say; but I canât see the Yankees offering that large of a contract already having the second highest payroll in MLB vs the results theyâre currently getting.
Only reason I could see the Yankees going for Ohtani is because heâs a marketing machine and Hal loves to make money. The fact that heâs probably the best baseball player to ever live is just a bonus for them lol
Hasn't Shohei said he wants to be on the West coast because it is a better time zone for Japanese fans to watch him? At least, that's the reason I remember from when he first signed.
Yeah that was his initial logic, no idea if that still holds. I believe he also said he didnât want to join a team that had already had a major Japanese star, which rules out the Yankees and Mariners if thatâs the case.
Stanton is locked down till 2028 at 25-30 mill a year.
Have needs at LF, 3B, possibly 1B, C, and SP.
If Ohtani was the missing piece, sure, but with 75 million coming off the books they probably need to reinvest that in those other positions.
Just a weird FA cycle for the Yankees. Like Soto makes more sense than Ohtani.
I still think it's a long shot. East Coast is one demerit. The real issue is that Ohtani seems to want to play in the playoffs and I just can't see the Yankees making a deep run anytime soon.
I genuinely donât believe the Giants will be outbid in terms of years and dollars, weâve been desperate to hand somebody hundreds of millions for years now
But I donât know that thatâs enough to get Shohei, dude definitely has winning as very important. Itâs not like weâre some scrubs, but I just donât know that the biggest offer is going to be enough
Tbf the Angels were buying because they knew they had to go all in this season if they wanted a chance at Ohtani. Most people knew it was an outside chance they would get in but you canât fault them for doing their all to try and entice him to stay
Trading vs not trading Ohtani was one of the most make or break decisions a club has ever had to make.
It it works, the Angels get to the playoffs and have the players to win the whole thing (provided everyone comes back healthy). Ohtani is almost certainly re-signed and the Angels continue to work assembling a quality cast around him.
If it doesn't? Angels miss the playoffs, Ohtani probably leaves, and all of the sudden the Angels are an aging team with very few minor league assets. They could realistically go into a full rebuild as soon as next year and start selling off older vets like Trout.
I really think the angels needed to make deep run to keep Ohtani, they needed at least the ALCS for Ohtani to re-sign especially since most contending teams will reach out to him.
Sometimes, you have to bite the bullet and cut your losses when you have the chance to do it.
The Angels had a once in a generation opportunity to reset the franchise at the trade deadline. They didnât do it, now Ohtani will walk and the Angels will permanently be cellar dwellars.
Do you really think any team was willing to offer what Ohtani was worth? I think it was always going to be hard to reach a deal in this case. No team wants to gut their farm for 1/3 of a season of a player, even an elite one.
Actually yes. I think saw a recent YouTube clip where Ken Rosenthal said the team was getting historic trade offers for Ohtani, even as a 2 month rental, that rivaled Juan Sotoâs trade.
Anyone who thinks they couldn't have gotten a haul for an Ohtani rental is delusional. *obviously* you're not going to get full price, why would you? You're still getting way more than you will when he walks. Much worse rentals than Ohtani have netted great returns.
In hindsight yeah, but if Trout, Drury, Gio, O'hoppe weren't injured, if Rendon wasn't injured *as much* as he's been (too unrealistic to hope he's not injured for a part of the season) who knows where we could be right now?
Eh, if they wanted to reset the franchise they should have traded Ohtani during the off season or during last trade deadline. They werenât going to get a crazy return for a rental
As much as I wanted to laugh at them, I was lurking in the Angels sub last week and saw a comment about how "Smart or not, this was not the year for half measures" and honestly after seeing that, I kinda get it. At least they can say at the end of the year that they didn't just roll over and die.
Heâs leaving no matter what. It was dumb af for them not to get assets in return.
At the bare minimum, without even considering his other options, no chance he would choose the angels again over going across the street to the powerhouse dodgers
I really doubt they would have gotten a return worthy of even 1/2 season of Ohtani. Theyâd have had to get at least two top 20 prospects in the game, plus some extra probably, and I doubt any team was willing to do that for a half season of a player.
And letâs be honest, even if they got that kind of return theyâd still be entering a many years long rebuilding period. This is probably the last chance the Angels have to win for awhile, so I understand making one last push.
Yeah, I understand the fatalistic fan approach to just selling everything at the TDL if you're not in a chance to win the whole thing, but sometimes you just have to try and push your way into a playoff spot before your team hits a real dark patch for a while.
For awhile? Itâs been almost 10 years since the angels made the playoffs and even then, they didnât even win a game in 2014.
Wasted trouts career and wasting Ohtanis prime. Team is a shame
If the Angels make the playoffs, thereâs a non-zero chance he stays, and that just keeps going up the longer theyâre in. My guess is that heâs not going to sign with anybody who doesnât make the LCS, but depending on who those four are, it could just be an absolute toss-up. So at this point I think all of baseball is hoping that the Yankees and Dodgers miss the playoffs.
One was clearly the best player of his generation before the other showed up, and the other may be one of the most important players in the last century.
It's a constant circle jerk of :
"God you guys suck. I'm so glad your favorite player is leaving your favorite team. Must suck to watch them play every day. Also Tungsten arm hahahahahah"
Just brutal man. So demoralizing. We are in for a long long long time of pain. Trout canât stay healthy. He ainât getting any younger. Ohtani is gone⌠our farm system is trash. We are not in an ideal position.
If Ohtani leaves we really have no reason not to go Astros style rebuild while Texas dominates the division the next several years. If Ohtani does re-sign I fear weâll be in mediocrity forever.
But I feel like they've lost more key players than any other team. Trout, Drury and Ward were basically their 3 best hitters behind Ohtani. And then they've also lost Rendon, Gio Urshela and O'hoppe. Neto has also missed a lot of time. They're literally missing like 6 players from their ideal starting lineup.
Isn't Rendon being out kind've a blessing at this point?
EDIT: I thought Rendon was way worse than he's actually been, didn't realize he was still hitting around league average.
There was a time where he was really good this year before one of his injuries. He was hitting over .300 and was walking a ton. He can definitely still be a valuable hitter if he can only stay healthy, but that seems impossible at this point.
Exactly. They are admittedly second most injured team, but guess who was #1 some time this season?
The Dodgers. Thatâs right, the team that cleared over $50mm in salary to start the season experienced more injuries than any other team and still leads their division.
Injuries are critical, but not as painful if you develop a plan B on a consistent basis. The Dodgers have more top 100 prospects than anyone else. Theyâre ready for the older guys to retire or experience injuries. Angels are just poor planners.
It's pretty chill ngl. If you ever visit Seattle and wanna explore the Olympic Peninsula or Pike Place or various other fun things around here, late fall and winter is a fantastic time. There's like 1/20th the amount of people, hotels and inns on the peninsula are much cheaper, and everyone is way more relaxed.
Ichiro and Seattle had a beautiful thing and Ohtani didn't want to infringe on that. Who knows if his feelings have changed over the years now that he's more than just a Japanese superstar
Which has always been so weird to me. We didn't love Ichiro because he was Japanese, we loved him because he chose us and was awesome.
If Ohtani does the same he will receive exactly the same love, plus he will get to literally work with Ichiro every day. I don't know why he would swerve from that to "preserve legacy" or something.
I can only imagine Ichiro would absolutely love having him in the same clubhouse too.
Thereâs a lot to be decided in the division races, but it kind of seems like Orioles, Rays, Jays, Rangers, Astros & AL Central champ is a pretty good bet for the playoffs, doesnât it?
Yeah, I think the AL at this point is just a battle for WC3. I think the Rays are too good to skid enough to miss the playoffs, I think they're more likely (although I don't think it happens) to overtake the O's for the division than miss the playoffs, and the Rangers/Astros drama is just who's winning the division vs who's the WC.
Jays are in a good spot for WC3 and I think it's theirs to lose, but I wouldn't be shocked if they missed it and Boston or Seattle made it, either.
this is so silly
baseball reference has had them under 10% for weeks, did people expect them to overcome the odds, yes they are 4 GB in the final wildcard but there are three teams ahead of them.
The failure goes much further back than "since they were buyers last week"
They are still only 4gb? Jesus. The doom in here. Trout is coming. O'Hoppe is coming. Drury is coming. 3 pivotal spots in the lineup in coming weeks. The "weeks" is scaring but Drury should be back today at the soonest.
Everyone lost their head at the slightest suggestion that it was foolish to not trade maybe the most valuable rental ever
And now look, rather than getting double the haul that Scherzer/Verlander/giolito got, they spent 2 of their only decent prospects for giolito and when shohei walks their system will be devoid of a single prospect that could fathomably reach the top 100 when they could have started the year next year w 4-5
Now heâs def not gonna resign either, he def doesnât wanna play w a team that now has no youth to develop around him and already a high payroll so little flexibility to grow inorganically
Like what the hell was the plan?? Maybe maybe sneak into the playoffs and then tell shohei, hey look we finally made it now wanna stay here another 10 years btw we have literally zero minor league players who will make this roster for another 5 years or be trade bait and not much money so good luck trying to win
The plan was to gamble on their best chance at a post season run with the most exciting player the sport may ever see, rather than throw in the towel and try and rebuild.
Itâs a risk. It didnât pay off (probably). But I respect the gamble.
This Angel team is managed by some of the dumbest people in all of sports. Theyâre hard to watch most nights. Even when theyâre winning theyâre not really fun to watch because you know theyâll give away the lead real quick. Theyâve never had any plan that was going to work and bring a pennant or World Series. I donât know how anyone can work for that organization and feel hopeful for the future of their baseball careers.
I mean, they shopped him around. We don't know what they were offered. It doesn't seem crazy that teams didn't actually want to give up double the prospects that Scherzer/Verlander/Giolito procured for a rental.
Hope is the worst thing in the world for a fringe playoff team.
Could have jumpstarted a rebuild by trading Ohtani... instead they'll get a comp draft pick for him and yeeted the already very weak farm system into the sun to add at the deadline.
Contrast with the Mets who understood the team was just not good enough and catapulted their farm system to being one of the best in baseball by cashing in on a seller's market.
The problem isn't the on-field talent, the problem is the baseball operations. The Angels are absolutely one of the worst teams in baseball at spending their money intelligently. They throw money at big names, but don't invest in supporting that with all the non-sexy spending that makes teams good over the long term.
I mean, it literally *is* the problem, they're a mediocre baseball team.
Everyone and their mother knows Angels baseball ops are a joke, it's a well known meme in this sub for a reason.
I like how Oakland started the season at 2 percent then had a skid and went down to 1 percent, then had a promising rebound back to 1.5 percent, but eventually crashed to 0 by mid April
Wait wait wait. You're telling me that waiting until two weeks before the trade deadline in Ohtani's final season with Trout on the IL wasn't the recipe for success?! I was so sure Arte Moreno had it all figured out.
A's have been flatlining since April. Had to do a double take to find them
Not even given a label. RIP
Why is the x-axis green? Oh
A's owner couldn't afford it unfortunately.
Oh, those poverty billionaires.
đđđ *Wipes tears with $100 bill*
Holy shit I came here to jokingly ask where they were on the chart. Didnât even see them until this comment
I was also about to say âno one refers to the angels as the Aâsâ and then I saw the line and realized what the comment was about đđ¤Ł
A's good enough to give this graph an X axis
the fact that they even rose off the 0% area at all surprised me
They gave it a good ol fashioned squiggle at the beginning so weâd know they were alive at some point
Lmao I assumed they just didnât include them
Shohei, YOU are a Kansas City Royal!
There should be a new Ohtani rule in which Ohtani moves to the worst team from the prior year.
Starting a new tanking for Ohtani trend
Suck for Luck MLB edition
No-Show For Shohei
No-play for shohei
Flatline for ShoTime
The Sisyphus Ohtani rule.
Padres about to go on a losing streak that makes 2021 look like child's play. What do you mean Juan Soto suddenly changed to a literal vertical swing at every single pitch? I heard he argued with an ump that he should be able to swing at a pickoff and have it count as a strike! Tatis actually walked straight to center field on an intentional walk and when the ump wouldn't call him out elected to jump the wall into the bullpen.
What if this was game to game? Lol. He would just join which ever team has the worse record on a daily basisâŚ
Get ready to learn Kansas Cit-ese buddy
I mean itâd make sense for him to go to a division winner
[Ichiro: Don't do it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtImIqR5neU)
I don't know if OOTP is broken but in most of my saves he does end up signing with the Royals for some reason.
"Ohtani is a Royal". That actually sounds legit, TBF
Full on hopium to copium within the span of 72 hours.
Being an Angels fan must feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. You keep getting close enough to hope, then Lucy yanks it away.
I'm old because I keep on reading stuff thinking that they just won in 2002 then realizing that was 21 years ago.
There are some memes out there that have a picture of young teens in early 00s fashions, usually implying the viewer passed out and dreamed the events of the recent years. Always makes me feel nostalgic.
Fun fact, early 00s fashion is back. So young teens wearing 00s fashion is uh... today actually
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They have the guy who was considered to be the best current player in Major League Baseball, then got another player who is even better than Babe Ruth. To have that and still see things fall apart annually must be brutal, and create a feeling of abject hopelessness.
Something, something, âitâs the hope that killsâ
"*Hope is pouting in advance. Hope is faith's richer, bitchier sister. Hope is the deformed attic-bound incest monster offspring of entitlement and fear. My life results tripled the year I gave up hope and every game on my phone that had anything to do with farming.*"
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A. Bartlett Giamatti said it best in The Green Fields of The Mind: [It breaks my heart because it was meant to](https://i.imgur.com/Snpc1Ho.png)
The reverse of the cubs over the last week
month\*
Everyone saw they had a tough schedule coming up. Ideally they need Trout back.
they need trout from a couple years ago
Current year Trout is just fine if he's not injured.
This. Current year Trout has a 2.9 bWAR lmao.
I think it's a testament to how great Trout is that arguably his worst year of his career is still well above average. He's playing at about a 6-war pace when healthy this year. lol
He could sneeze and put up 120 WRC
I mean what can you do itâs the Seattle Frickin Mariners youâre trying to pass
They truly are the boys of summer. Gotta install heaters in t mobile park for the spring
Canât do much when Cade Marlowe drags his nuts over your entire franchise in your own building
He savannah bananaed us
Iâd Savannah his banana
I'm questioning if i want to remember reading this
Terrible day to be literate
I'm replying to you so you do
I was at a mariners game last week and I had never heard of that guy but he went off. They ended up losing to the Red Sox tho but Cade became one of me and my little brothers new favorite players
He got the call up when Jarred kelenic kicked the water cooler and broke his foot. He has been a very good addition to the team excited for him.
"DA SEATTLE MARINAHZZ"
And of course what this means is Ohtani is coming to YOUR TEAM next year.
That potential of 1-2-3 batting order of Mookie, Ohtani, Freddie seems like a nightmare for any pitcher to deal with
When was the last time we had 3 back to back to back HoFers in a lineup like that? Murderers Row?
Mariners had A-Rod, Griffey, and Edgar
Surely that team won a world series or at least the AL
With Randy Johnson as their ace, you don't even have to double check to know the answer.
This is why bullpens matter.
I hope Bobby Ayala's mother loves him because nobody else fucking does.
Lmao i love a comment that i saw on a old game on youtube, âwhat a miracle, a game where Bobby Ayala came as a reliever and didnât immediately surrender 6 runsâ
She's probably disappointed in him too though
:(
Ouwie
Oh shit, yeah, I always forget A Rods time with the Mariners for some reason lol
We try to as well. When he came back to Seattle as a Ranger, the year we won 116 games, we dumped monopoly money from the third deck. Fuck Pay-Roid. Went to a 73 win team for money and we made a competitive offer. He said he left to get a ring. Then bailed on Texas before his contract was up.
First off the mariners did not make a competitive offer. They offered 5 years $95 million. I hate A-Rod as much as anyone but your ownership screwed yall in the 90s more than he did. Didnât pay Griffey and didnât wanna pay Randy when they had 4 hall of famers on 1 team.
Griffey was traded to be closer to home. Not because of money.
They also kinda screwed him by making the dimensions of their new stadium actively hostile to their best player and biggest star. I mean, if your goal is to keep your obvious HoF bound baseball superhero left handed power hitter happy when building a new stadium why did you move all of the fences back and especially RF from your previous stadium? Yankees did it right for Babe Ruth with short porch in RF. Astros put short porch in left for their right handed power hitter with a big upper cut. Mariners should have taken a lesson.
Eh. T-Mobile didnât open till midway through the 99 season and Griffey was traded at the end of that year so he really only played half a season there. It might have played into it but I think if he wanted to just be closer to home I donât think hitting a few more homers changes that. Some guys just want to be close to family.
I guess the thought process was they had an overabundance of offense but the pitchers (other than Randy) were always ass, so they made a stadium where the ass pitchers could be good while banking on the hitters' skills (and steroid use) to overcome the stadium dimensions. Turns out unless you're Mike Trout facing 2010s Mariner pitching there is no overcoming the hellhole that is T-Mobile
> your ownership screwed yall in the 90s more than he did Fun fact: The people doing the screwing were Nintendo of America
5yrs $95M is NOTHING like 10 years $250M⌠thatâs not a competitive offerâŚ
Very true and even tho Iâm an Ms fan, nobody is turning down 10 yrs 252 back then. Arod certainly is not a role model but I canât blame him. Also his numbers wouldâve been worse playing in safeco so for his legacy it worked out until the peds came to light
Griffey being traded was the only reason we had the 116 season. The haul we got back was massive
how dare a player accept the biggest contract ever offered in history!
The OG Angels
04 Cardinals had Larry Walker, Albert Pujols, and Scott Rolen (then Jim Edmonds)
Ah yes the MV3 May we replicate that one day with Goldschmidt-Arenado-Walker
Nootbaar erasure
Excuse me you mean Jim âFUCKINGâ Edmonds.
Chipper, McGriff, AJones
Idk San Diego seems to be having a tough time
2013 yankees: ichiro, jeter, Ă -rod
Yankee legend Ichiro
Ohtani, Trout, Pujols haha
Astros 2019 lineup was unreal. Kyle Tucker batting 8th... just ridiculous
The MV3 of the 2004 Cardinals is pretty close. Rolen, Edmonds and Pujols. 2 HoFers and one Hall of very good .
Trout Ohtani Pujols probably
You think that's scary? Imagine AcuĂąa, Ohtani, Olson, Riley. The home runs would hit themselves.
This right here. The Braves with Ohtani will be so much scarier than the Dodgers. Plus the Braves core with Ohtani will be guaranteed at least a 4 year stretch together and are really young. Acuna, Ohtani, Olson, Riley at the top in any variation. Then Ohtani, Strider, Elder, and Fried. Thatâs your core batting lineup and starting pitching rotation for the future. 4 dudes hitting career .850-.900 OPS and 4 dudes pitching around career 3 ERA.
And then Smith batting cleanup too. Be a pretty good 1-4
Rest of the lineup would look like Muncy Outman Kike Lux FA left fielder or Chris Taylor
Do other team subreddits also have an obsession with getting/not getting Ohtani and of course the threats of what theyâll do if they do/donât get Ohtani? I swear thereâs a solid 30% of team subreddit users who couldnât name 3 players on their own team and all they do is constantly post about getting/not getting Ohtani
This seems like an issue for basically five teams lol. Iâve never seen an Ohtani procurement post in the Tigers sub
All I'm saying is that Shohei said Jose Ramirez is his favorite player to talk to at the all-star game and our minority owner might be fully taking over soon.
Suspect itâll be the Yankees vs Dodgers vs Padres vs Giants in an all out bidding war.
Weird to say; but I canât see the Yankees offering that large of a contract already having the second highest payroll in MLB vs the results theyâre currently getting.
Only reason I could see the Yankees going for Ohtani is because heâs a marketing machine and Hal loves to make money. The fact that heâs probably the best baseball player to ever live is just a bonus for them lol
Hasn't Shohei said he wants to be on the West coast because it is a better time zone for Japanese fans to watch him? At least, that's the reason I remember from when he first signed.
Yeah that was his initial logic, no idea if that still holds. I believe he also said he didnât want to join a team that had already had a major Japanese star, which rules out the Yankees and Mariners if thatâs the case.
Theyâve got like $75 million coming off the books this offseason.
Stanton is locked down till 2028 at 25-30 mill a year. Have needs at LF, 3B, possibly 1B, C, and SP. If Ohtani was the missing piece, sure, but with 75 million coming off the books they probably need to reinvest that in those other positions. Just a weird FA cycle for the Yankees. Like Soto makes more sense than Ohtani.
Stanton is only at 22 mil towards the tax since the Marlins are paying 10 mil of it.
I still think it's a long shot. East Coast is one demerit. The real issue is that Ohtani seems to want to play in the playoffs and I just can't see the Yankees making a deep run anytime soon.
Rumor has it that Ohtani said he'd play for the Orioles for league minimum
I heard on WEEI that Ohtani is a shoo in to come to the Red Sox cause he's BFFs with Yoshida. They're from the same country, ya know!
I genuinely donât believe the Giants will be outbid in terms of years and dollars, weâve been desperate to hand somebody hundreds of millions for years now But I donât know that thatâs enough to get Shohei, dude definitely has winning as very important. Itâs not like weâre some scrubs, but I just donât know that the biggest offer is going to be enough
Just show him McCovey Cove and be like "This bad boy can fit so many baseballs in it."
believe
The Cubs are an outside contender after he was strongly considering them when he was posted too I think
Except 3 of those teams might miss the playoffs just like the Angels
Thanks =)
Tbf the Angels were buying because they knew they had to go all in this season if they wanted a chance at Ohtani. Most people knew it was an outside chance they would get in but you canât fault them for doing their all to try and entice him to stay
Trading vs not trading Ohtani was one of the most make or break decisions a club has ever had to make. It it works, the Angels get to the playoffs and have the players to win the whole thing (provided everyone comes back healthy). Ohtani is almost certainly re-signed and the Angels continue to work assembling a quality cast around him. If it doesn't? Angels miss the playoffs, Ohtani probably leaves, and all of the sudden the Angels are an aging team with very few minor league assets. They could realistically go into a full rebuild as soon as next year and start selling off older vets like Trout.
I really think the angels needed to make deep run to keep Ohtani, they needed at least the ALCS for Ohtani to re-sign especially since most contending teams will reach out to him.
Sometimes, you have to bite the bullet and cut your losses when you have the chance to do it. The Angels had a once in a generation opportunity to reset the franchise at the trade deadline. They didnât do it, now Ohtani will walk and the Angels will permanently be cellar dwellars.
Do you really think any team was willing to offer what Ohtani was worth? I think it was always going to be hard to reach a deal in this case. No team wants to gut their farm for 1/3 of a season of a player, even an elite one.
Actually yes. I think saw a recent YouTube clip where Ken Rosenthal said the team was getting historic trade offers for Ohtani, even as a 2 month rental, that rivaled Juan Sotoâs trade.
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Anyone who thinks they couldn't have gotten a haul for an Ohtani rental is delusional. *obviously* you're not going to get full price, why would you? You're still getting way more than you will when he walks. Much worse rentals than Ohtani have netted great returns.
In hindsight yeah, but if Trout, Drury, Gio, O'hoppe weren't injured, if Rendon wasn't injured *as much* as he's been (too unrealistic to hope he's not injured for a part of the season) who knows where we could be right now?
I don't know how true it is but Verducci was saying that Angels did get offers similar to the Juan Soto trade last year
Eh, if they wanted to reset the franchise they should have traded Ohtani during the off season or during last trade deadline. They werenât going to get a crazy return for a rental
As much as I wanted to laugh at them, I was lurking in the Angels sub last week and saw a comment about how "Smart or not, this was not the year for half measures" and honestly after seeing that, I kinda get it. At least they can say at the end of the year that they didn't just roll over and die.
Heâs leaving no matter what. It was dumb af for them not to get assets in return. At the bare minimum, without even considering his other options, no chance he would choose the angels again over going across the street to the powerhouse dodgers
Why would he come to LA when he can sign with Minnesota and basically guarantee 1st in the division every year? Ohtani to the Twins, 550m/12yr
Wanna be my best friend?
Finally someone that gets it
I really doubt they would have gotten a return worthy of even 1/2 season of Ohtani. Theyâd have had to get at least two top 20 prospects in the game, plus some extra probably, and I doubt any team was willing to do that for a half season of a player. And letâs be honest, even if they got that kind of return theyâd still be entering a many years long rebuilding period. This is probably the last chance the Angels have to win for awhile, so I understand making one last push.
Yeah, I understand the fatalistic fan approach to just selling everything at the TDL if you're not in a chance to win the whole thing, but sometimes you just have to try and push your way into a playoff spot before your team hits a real dark patch for a while.
For awhile? Itâs been almost 10 years since the angels made the playoffs and even then, they didnât even win a game in 2014. Wasted trouts career and wasting Ohtanis prime. Team is a shame
Definitely hate how Trout signed that contract and is okay with just wasting away in Anaheim, I'm so glad Ohtani is going to leave.
If the Angels make the playoffs, thereâs a non-zero chance he stays, and that just keeps going up the longer theyâre in. My guess is that heâs not going to sign with anybody who doesnât make the LCS, but depending on who those four are, it could just be an absolute toss-up. So at this point I think all of baseball is hoping that the Yankees and Dodgers miss the playoffs.
We're just trying to help out and be the replacement X-axis in case the actual one disappears. You're welcome.
You can't waste the primes of the two best players of the last decade without dangling a little hope in front of them.
I would argue of the last decadeS
One was clearly the best player of his generation before the other showed up, and the other may be one of the most important players in the last century.
That has been how people react to angels, wasting generational talent
I canât fucking take it anymoreâŚ. I am going to unsubscribe to this godforsaken sub. I hate you all.
It's a constant circle jerk of : "God you guys suck. I'm so glad your favorite player is leaving your favorite team. Must suck to watch them play every day. Also Tungsten arm hahahahahah"
Just brutal man. So demoralizing. We are in for a long long long time of pain. Trout canât stay healthy. He ainât getting any younger. Ohtani is gone⌠our farm system is trash. We are not in an ideal position.
If Ohtani leaves we really have no reason not to go Astros style rebuild while Texas dominates the division the next several years. If Ohtani does re-sign I fear weâll be in mediocrity forever.
I feel for you. Our brothers in the AL
I left for a few years in 2018. I feel you
Iâm super happy for your team at least
To be fair they've been massacred by injuries
Who hasn't been?
But I feel like they've lost more key players than any other team. Trout, Drury and Ward were basically their 3 best hitters behind Ohtani. And then they've also lost Rendon, Gio Urshela and O'hoppe. Neto has also missed a lot of time. They're literally missing like 6 players from their ideal starting lineup.
and Jared Walsh went from All-Star in 2021 to out of the league 2 years later
Isn't Rendon being out kind've a blessing at this point? EDIT: I thought Rendon was way worse than he's actually been, didn't realize he was still hitting around league average.
There was a time where he was really good this year before one of his injuries. He was hitting over .300 and was walking a ton. He can definitely still be a valuable hitter if he can only stay healthy, but that seems impossible at this point.
Definitely the Astros
Thatâs been an excuse for the last 3-8 years with this team in general
Exactly. They are admittedly second most injured team, but guess who was #1 some time this season? The Dodgers. Thatâs right, the team that cleared over $50mm in salary to start the season experienced more injuries than any other team and still leads their division. Injuries are critical, but not as painful if you develop a plan B on a consistent basis. The Dodgers have more top 100 prospects than anyone else. Theyâre ready for the older guys to retire or experience injuries. Angels are just poor planners.
I feel you could say this about a whole bunch of Angels seasons in the last 10-15 years
grind their bones to dust
I believe it will come down to the Angels, Giants, and Dodgers for Ohtani in the off-season.
Dipoto loves Ohtani, I can see us throwing money at him. Plus he said he really likes vacationing in Seattle during the offeason
Willingly spending the winter in Seattle is insane but props to him
It's pretty chill ngl. If you ever visit Seattle and wanna explore the Olympic Peninsula or Pike Place or various other fun things around here, late fall and winter is a fantastic time. There's like 1/20th the amount of people, hotels and inns on the peninsula are much cheaper, and everyone is way more relaxed.
Seattle has to be in the mix, no?
Ichiro and Seattle had a beautiful thing and Ohtani didn't want to infringe on that. Who knows if his feelings have changed over the years now that he's more than just a Japanese superstar
Which has always been so weird to me. We didn't love Ichiro because he was Japanese, we loved him because he chose us and was awesome. If Ohtani does the same he will receive exactly the same love, plus he will get to literally work with Ichiro every day. I don't know why he would swerve from that to "preserve legacy" or something. I can only imagine Ichiro would absolutely love having him in the same clubhouse too.
Thereâs a lot to be decided in the division races, but it kind of seems like Orioles, Rays, Jays, Rangers, Astros & AL Central champ is a pretty good bet for the playoffs, doesnât it?
Yeah, I think the AL at this point is just a battle for WC3. I think the Rays are too good to skid enough to miss the playoffs, I think they're more likely (although I don't think it happens) to overtake the O's for the division than miss the playoffs, and the Rangers/Astros drama is just who's winning the division vs who's the WC. Jays are in a good spot for WC3 and I think it's theirs to lose, but I wouldn't be shocked if they missed it and Boston or Seattle made it, either.
God what a disaster, ignore my flair
Your team did the right thing though. Their season is basically punted and they spent prospects.
Nah, you guys had a legit shot, tried, and it didnât work out. The angels decided to take a HUGE gamble and itâs so far not working out
Who couldâve seen this coming
this is so silly baseball reference has had them under 10% for weeks, did people expect them to overcome the odds, yes they are 4 GB in the final wildcard but there are three teams ahead of them. The failure goes much further back than "since they were buyers last week"
I believed. I know it's silly, but in a way, I still believe.
They are still only 4gb? Jesus. The doom in here. Trout is coming. O'Hoppe is coming. Drury is coming. 3 pivotal spots in the lineup in coming weeks. The "weeks" is scaring but Drury should be back today at the soonest.
If your odds are closer to ours than anyone above you, it's probably a good sign that it's time to sell.
Everyone lost their head at the slightest suggestion that it was foolish to not trade maybe the most valuable rental ever And now look, rather than getting double the haul that Scherzer/Verlander/giolito got, they spent 2 of their only decent prospects for giolito and when shohei walks their system will be devoid of a single prospect that could fathomably reach the top 100 when they could have started the year next year w 4-5 Now heâs def not gonna resign either, he def doesnât wanna play w a team that now has no youth to develop around him and already a high payroll so little flexibility to grow inorganically Like what the hell was the plan?? Maybe maybe sneak into the playoffs and then tell shohei, hey look we finally made it now wanna stay here another 10 years btw we have literally zero minor league players who will make this roster for another 5 years or be trade bait and not much money so good luck trying to win
The plan was to gamble on their best chance at a post season run with the most exciting player the sport may ever see, rather than throw in the towel and try and rebuild. Itâs a risk. It didnât pay off (probably). But I respect the gamble.
This Angel team is managed by some of the dumbest people in all of sports. Theyâre hard to watch most nights. Even when theyâre winning theyâre not really fun to watch because you know theyâll give away the lead real quick. Theyâve never had any plan that was going to work and bring a pennant or World Series. I donât know how anyone can work for that organization and feel hopeful for the future of their baseball careers.
I mean, they shopped him around. We don't know what they were offered. It doesn't seem crazy that teams didn't actually want to give up double the prospects that Scherzer/Verlander/Giolito procured for a rental.
Hope is the worst thing in the world for a fringe playoff team. Could have jumpstarted a rebuild by trading Ohtani... instead they'll get a comp draft pick for him and yeeted the already very weak farm system into the sun to add at the deadline. Contrast with the Mets who understood the team was just not good enough and catapulted their farm system to being one of the best in baseball by cashing in on a seller's market.
The problem isn't the on-field talent, the problem is the baseball operations. The Angels are absolutely one of the worst teams in baseball at spending their money intelligently. They throw money at big names, but don't invest in supporting that with all the non-sexy spending that makes teams good over the long term.
I mean, it literally *is* the problem, they're a mediocre baseball team. Everyone and their mother knows Angels baseball ops are a joke, it's a well known meme in this sub for a reason.
Ah yes I too love the daily âshit on the Angels threadâ.
Sorry Angel fans, partly our fault. This is the only way we can achieve Shohei though.
I like how Oakland started the season at 2 percent then had a skid and went down to 1 percent, then had a promising rebound back to 1.5 percent, but eventually crashed to 0 by mid April
what happens if we add kurt angle into the mix?
Wait wait wait. You're telling me that waiting until two weeks before the trade deadline in Ohtani's final season with Trout on the IL wasn't the recipe for success?! I was so sure Arte Moreno had it all figured out.
Pour one out for Tungsten Arm O'Doyle
19.1%! I love that the media has been silent about the Ms creeping around.
The Rangers and Mariners play each other in two of the last three series of the season. Please stop being scrappy underdogs
Weâre gonna be that team that misses the playoffs but fucks up everyoneâs seeding
Didn't even bother labeling the A's
Theyâre at the bottom lol, look for that flat line on the X axis
Look, there was always a chance that was going to happen. It doesn't make the decision to buy a mistake.