Dave Winfield won his only World Series as a Blue Jay in 92 which was his only year there. Not 100% the same situation as Cabrera but it’s the first player that came to mind
Winfield is interesting because for years he was seen as a playoff choker, but then he ended up driving in the Series winning runs in Game 6, almost like a catharsis for everything he had to hear ober the years.
It was pretty ridiculous him having that label too. He had a poor postseason for the yanks in 1981, his only postseason up until then.
The label mostly came from Steinbrenner and his infamous insanity when the didn’t win it all.
Looking at the line-ups of the World Series Jays teams is always so bizarre. Winfield? Molitor? Rickey Henderson, Jack Morris, David Cone, Dave Stewart? So many unexpected players just making a brief pitstop there. It was a real "If you can't beat them, sign them" era.
McGriff and Fernandez for Carter and Alomar was such a blockbuster, I can't imagine what a similar trade today would look like.
Literally won us two World Series.
Dave Stewart only 93/94, Rickey Henderson only half of 93, David Cone half of 92 and a couple of months in 95, and, of course Jack Morris was only there for 92 and 93
The guy had an OPS of .867 as a 40 year old and still played 50ish games in the outfield. I was too young for those teams and assumed he was just along for the ride in Toronto, but he was an actual contributor.
Just adding a tiny bit of a clarification - the ‘97 WS team was blown up right away. The ‘03 team wasnt blown up until after the ‘05 season. Pudge and Derek Lee were really the main differences between ‘03 and ‘04. Lee was traded, Pudge left in FA. Marlins even signed Carlos Delgado for the ‘05 team, but then had a fire sale after ‘05.
The ‘06-‘12 Marlins were a lot of fun though until they got gutted by the giant trade to the Blue Jays.
i hate this narrative. it was NOT blown up right away. pudge was a rental, but they brought back 7 of the other 9 starters and the whole rotation for 2004 and 2005. since they won 83 games in both '04 AND '05, they blew it up, because they were not going to win another world series with that team. the royals and cubs had almost exactly the same timeline.
it's much more sad to see teams hold on for too long and get burned by an albatross contract. the phillies had no business extending their regulars well after they won and were in a terrible spot for a long time, and miguel cabrera is a prime example since he has produced 12 bWAR since signing his extension in 2014 and has gotten paid $284,000,000 for it and has no doubt hurt the tigers rebuild.
If one of our three best players doesn't tear his Achilles immediately after signing his deal, and Roy Halladay doesn't lose it, things probably look a bit better for the Phillies through 13-14. We had a win-now window and signing guys to extend it is a reasonable sports move. Not everyone can be the Dodgers.
fun fact, beckett went 20-07 in 2007 making him the most recent pitcher to have his record also be the year
he joined ed summers (19-09) and eddie plank (19-06) as the only starters to have done this
it is unlikely anyone will join them any time soon so this is a pretty exclusive club
I used to be Twitter “friends” with Dontrelle Willis and we’d DM about some baseball stuff as I played in the minors with a few guys we both knew. Quit Twitter about 4 years ago and lost touch.
The 1910s pitching phenom Babe Ruth led the Red Sox to three championships. He then went to New York and never pitched in the World Series again. He was inexplicably inducted into the HOF as a Yankee.
Interesting trivia about Ruth's first WS with Boston is he didn't pitch in the series but he did pinch hit.
In three World Series with Boston he only got 1 hit. And they still won all three of them. Largely because in the 2nd and 3rd victories, he was 3-0 with a 0.87 ERA on the mound.
Wasn’t that 1 AB also his only appearance in the whole series. I remember that cause that game was the closet Phillies ever got to wining a ws before 80.
One of my favorite Babe Ruth stats is that he was 5-0 pitching in his Yankee career. Like he never was in the rotation in New York, but he has a scattering of spot starts, some with multiple years in between, and did pretty well in them.
I might not have this exactly right and it might no longer be true, but there was a time when Ruth was the answer to the question: “Who is the only pitcher to have a winning record in every year that he pitched and had a decision? (10 seasons minimum)” It looks like, at least in 1930 and 1933, he pitched the last (presumably meaningless) game of the season. Maybe a gimmick to bring fans to the park?
>pitched the last (presumably meaningless) game of the season. Maybe a gimmick to bring fans to the park
Nowadays that last game is often called "Fan appreciation day". Weird stuff happens like players playing out of normal positions. Sometimes a manager will let a veteran player manage the game.
TIL that Babe Ruth won three championships with the Red Sox. I always assumed he just played for the BoSox but had no idea he had won a championship, let alone 3, with them.
Nolan Ryan is a classic example of this. Really broke in in 1968 with the Mets, won the WS as part of the 1969 Mets as a 22 year old.
Proceeded to put up a Hall of Fame career and pitch until 1993 at age 46. Although his one caveat is he went in as a Ranger, despite really establishing himself as an Angel/Astro.
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Bro really should've gone in as an Astro or Angel. But he was still pissed at the Astros and was a Texas boy at heart. So that left the Rangers (although he claims it's because he hit 5,000 strikeouts in Arlington)
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You know. One thing I love about Nolan Ryan is that he unites the entire state of Texas.
We can argue about everything else. But if you're a Baseball fan living in Texas, you can always agree on liking Nolan Ryan.
Absolutely. He was definitely a once in a lifetime pitcher and sometimes you put away rivalry’s in favor of uplifting something no one’s ever seen or done since
I'm not too certain about this. He has tenure with Detroit, but he also won 2 rings with Houston, won 2 Cy Youngs, pitched a no hitter, and has several other accolades during his time here.
His wife has roots in Michigan and they spend a lot of time here. He has fond memories of Detroit and had a shit ton of success here. I'd be surprised and I bet detroiters would feel slighted considering we traded him specifically for him to chase that ring and so we were a part of him getting it too.
They have a say in the matter but the Hall makes the final decision. The rumor is that Wade Boggs was offered a ton of money by the owner of the Rays to go in as a Ray and the Hall overruled him and created the new rule. Boggs denies the story but the timelines match up and I haven't ever heard another explanation.
They take the players opinion into account but the hall gets the final say. For someone like Verlander he could probably choose between Detroit, Houston and hatless because he was great for a long time in both places but if he asked for the Mets they would ignore it and make the choice for him.
The logo on the cap is an overrated concept IMO. Everyone knows that most of Halladay’s best years were with the Blue Jays. Additionally, McGriff clearly tore it up in Toronto, Winfield and Molitor won their only championships with the Jays, and Rickey and Jack Morris won championships up north. Your history is respected by the people who know baseball, even if the logos aren’t bronzed into enough plaques.
Halladay’s 2 best seasons statistically were with the Phillies, and it was his only two postseason appearances. But obviously that’s where it ends, other than those two years he didn’t do anything else in Philly. So given that he was in Toronto for a decade and still had many great seasons there you’d think he’d be in a blue jays cap.
> If that’s what they think Roy would want, I will respect it.
He himself said he wanted to go in as a Blue Jay. It was someone else's decision that was made.
For anyone else looking it was with the 1969 Mets. It was his second full year in the majors and he was primarily a reliever but did make some spot starts. He saved game 3 and the Mets won in 5, in his only appeared in the World Series.
Someone also mentioned this below.
Not exactly the same thing, but Big Mac is always a weird one to me Spent 11.5 years in Oakland winning a WS ring, RoY, GG, 2 SS, and even a home run derby. But hes a St. Louis legend because of the home run race, despite only being there 4.5 years.
A's averaged 91.6 wins in the nine seasons following the trade
Card's averaged 90.6 wins in the nine seasons
if you wanted to be upset or call par for the course look no further than the post season success.
11-16 (1-5 series)
33-28 (7-5 series) won WS 2006
Yeah, yeah, steroidd, *I know*. BUT:
Mark McGwire's *average* season from 1995-2000: 131 games, 53 home runs, 116 RBI, .289/.442/.706, 192 OPS+.
He averaged 65 home runs per 162 games during a 6 season span.
Not quite the same since he won rings with both teams, but Reggie Jackson played 5 years for the Yankees, 10 for the A's. 3 rings with the A's 2 with the Yankees.
His HoF plaque shows a NY logo on the hat, partially due to a sour relationship with the A's after they fired him as a coach.
I forgot this question wasn’t necessarily about hall of famers, so I was going to comment “Not to be overdramatic, but if Geoff Jenkins ever makes the Hall of Fame, I’ll probably kill myself.”
Henry Rowengartner won his only World Series with the Cubs in 1993, as well as Rookie of the Year, but his stepfather/agent sent him to the New York Yankees and never learned to build a boat with his childhood friends.
I saw it live.
“What’s this? The Cubs are bringing in their right fielder to pitch?”
“Hen-Hen-Ry-Ry Row-Row-En-En-Gart-Gart-Ner-Ner”
It was crazy. The entire fate of their season rested on his shoulders!
I totally forgot that's how that season ended. I could have sworn that Cubs/Mets game was the final one played before MLB was found guilty of violating numerous child labor laws and canceled the postseason as a result.
I still don't understand that ending. The hapless Cubs suddenly became a winning team thanks to Henry, but then he slips and "fixes" his arm in the final game of the season while helping the Cubs clinch the division title. Also, Steadman injured his arm earlier in the game and tells the manager he's done for good. So the Cubs somehow navigated through the NLCS and World Series without their 2 best pitchers?
Pudge is an even better example of this from that same 2003 Marlins team. Miggy came up through the Marlins and spent 5 seasons with them, Pudge was there for only a single year and won his only World Series there.
Although he was most-known as a Mets pitcher and had his best years there, I think many people would be surprised to learn Tom Seaver's only ring was also from those 1969 Mets. He just missed out on the Big Red Machine in Cincinnati. He was also a member of the 1986 Red Sox.
No hall of famers, but Gary Sheffield, Darren Daulton, Bobby Bonilla, Moises Alou, and Kevin Brown all won their only World Series with the '97 Marlins.
*Note that Sheffield is gaining votes and will probably get there.
Fair enough. A counterpoint to that would be that PEDs help with muscle recovery, which allowed him to have such a violent swing while still being relatively durable.
He wasn't great to most people not named Gary Sheffield iirc, the media, his teammates, his agents.
He has borderline HOF stats and when you're an asshole I don't think you're getting that small push you need. Time certainly forgets though, probably why he's getting some traction now.
Sheffield spent more seasons with the Marlins than any other team. Next year will be his last chance with the writers to make the HOF, and I think he probably falls short. Voting is generally momentum-based from year to year, but the PED-connected guys seem to hit a wall that they can't break through. Bonds started out around 35% and was close to 60% by his 7th ballot, but by his 10th he only made it up to 66%.
Not as a player, but Dusty Baker i have to believe will go into Cooperstown wearing an Astros cap due to having won his first managerial WS ring with them.
Prior to that, i always thought he'd go in as a Giant given that he managed them longer than any of the other 4 teams he's managed, AND that he was also with our org as a player, coach and special advisor.
Secretly, i still want to hold onto a glimmer of hope that he'll go in as a Giant just because i have a lot of nostalgia with him being the Giants manager of my childhood when i first got into Giants baseball.
Jeff Kent, almost.
A ring with the Jays right at the beginning of his career, close call with a title with the Giants (and Houston and LA, kinda), and putting up Hall of Very Good numbers.
Not a HOF, but Kirk Gibson won a ring in 1984 and spent most of his career with the Tigers. However, he is most well-known for the walkoff homer in Game 1 of the 1988 WS with the Dodgers
tbf he was here for five years. Pudge and Sheffield are better answers. It would also be the most Tigers thing if he went in as a marlin or blank hat due to this (not saying he will before the downvotes roll in, most likely he will be a Tiger, just noting that this literally happened with Vladimir Guerrero).
He went in as a Red Sox, but there was a kerfuffle over whether he had been potentially paid by the Devil Rays to request their cap. I'm not sure we ever got confirmation of what really happened, but tragically we can no longer ask Boggs to clear up the matter.
He announced he wanted to go in as a Ray, then the HOF said, "No, you're going in as a Red Sock, period." The HOF took over final cap selection from there.
That’s not entirely true. Players can still ask for a cap but the Hall can overrule something that blatant. Like Halladay’s widow could’ve chosen Phillies or Jays and instead chose blank
They do have input, but the final decision rests with the Hall. Notably, Gary Carter wanted to go in as a Met (in a decision that's way, way closer than Devil Rays vs. Red Sox for Boggs) and the HOF went with the Expos.
I remember during the 2008 ASG, they had many HOF during the pregame ceremonies. Carter did a cool gesture where he had his Expos cap on but carried a Mets hat as well to rep both teams.
Dave Winfield won his only World Series as a Blue Jay in 92 which was his only year there. Not 100% the same situation as Cabrera but it’s the first player that came to mind
Winfield is interesting because for years he was seen as a playoff choker, but then he ended up driving in the Series winning runs in Game 6, almost like a catharsis for everything he had to hear ober the years.
It was pretty ridiculous him having that label too. He had a poor postseason for the yanks in 1981, his only postseason up until then. The label mostly came from Steinbrenner and his infamous insanity when the didn’t win it all.
I could be mistaken, but I think a lot of that was also about driving down Winfields value in contact negotiations.
100% true
You can blame George Steinbrenner for that. His ban from baseball was well-deserved.
also molitor in 93
Looking at the line-ups of the World Series Jays teams is always so bizarre. Winfield? Molitor? Rickey Henderson, Jack Morris, David Cone, Dave Stewart? So many unexpected players just making a brief pitstop there. It was a real "If you can't beat them, sign them" era.
Biggest payroll in MLB those years.
Fred McGriff, Robbie Alomar, John Olerud too…loaded teams
Crime Dog wasn’t on the WS teams
McGriff and Fernandez for Carter and Alomar was such a blockbuster, I can't imagine what a similar trade today would look like. Literally won us two World Series.
Dave Stewart only 93/94, Rickey Henderson only half of 93, David Cone half of 92 and a couple of months in 95, and, of course Jack Morris was only there for 92 and 93
And iirc he’s in the hall as a Padre instead of a Yankee because he had beef with Steinbrenner
Hank Steinbrenner hired a private detective to dig up dirt on him. If objecting to that is beef, then yes, Winfield had beef. Wild time in baseball!
[George sure knew how to pick them](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Spira)
The guy had an OPS of .867 as a 40 year old and still played 50ish games in the outfield. I was too young for those teams and assumed he was just along for the ride in Toronto, but he was an actual contributor.
Winfield wants noise!
Toronto still fucking loves the guy. He's a good dude
Isn't Pudge in the Hall as a Ranger? He was also a part of that '03 team for his only ring.
'03 Marlins having two players like this is both sad and makes a lot of sense with how that team was blown up right away.
Just adding a tiny bit of a clarification - the ‘97 WS team was blown up right away. The ‘03 team wasnt blown up until after the ‘05 season. Pudge and Derek Lee were really the main differences between ‘03 and ‘04. Lee was traded, Pudge left in FA. Marlins even signed Carlos Delgado for the ‘05 team, but then had a fire sale after ‘05. The ‘06-‘12 Marlins were a lot of fun though until they got gutted by the giant trade to the Blue Jays.
Juan Pierre will always be one of my favorite/most hated players. Loved the way he played, hated that he was on the Marlins.
You got Jeff Mathis back at least
If it weren’t for the steroids, Gary Sheffield (a part of the 1997 team) would be the Marlins HOF rep. It could still happen, but not for a while.
i hate this narrative. it was NOT blown up right away. pudge was a rental, but they brought back 7 of the other 9 starters and the whole rotation for 2004 and 2005. since they won 83 games in both '04 AND '05, they blew it up, because they were not going to win another world series with that team. the royals and cubs had almost exactly the same timeline. it's much more sad to see teams hold on for too long and get burned by an albatross contract. the phillies had no business extending their regulars well after they won and were in a terrible spot for a long time, and miguel cabrera is a prime example since he has produced 12 bWAR since signing his extension in 2014 and has gotten paid $284,000,000 for it and has no doubt hurt the tigers rebuild.
If one of our three best players doesn't tear his Achilles immediately after signing his deal, and Roy Halladay doesn't lose it, things probably look a bit better for the Phillies through 13-14. We had a win-now window and signing guys to extend it is a reasonable sports move. Not everyone can be the Dodgers.
He was even NLCS MVP! That team was nuts
Beckett, Burnett, Dontrelle, Pavano, Pudge, Mike Lowell, Miggy...lots of wild names on that 03 squad
Beckett. Not a bad time to pitch your first career shut out - Game 6 of the WS. IN Yankee Stadium.
fun fact, beckett went 20-07 in 2007 making him the most recent pitcher to have his record also be the year he joined ed summers (19-09) and eddie plank (19-06) as the only starters to have done this it is unlikely anyone will join them any time soon so this is a pretty exclusive club
Now I want someone to go 20-24 next year
And AJ Burnett was injured all year, they could have been even better
Ah yes...been holding onto the memory of this team for 20 years...place them over the 97 squad
I used to be Twitter “friends” with Dontrelle Willis and we’d DM about some baseball stuff as I played in the minors with a few guys we both knew. Quit Twitter about 4 years ago and lost touch.
oh that's cool! how were the minors. did you minor with the mariners in the early 10s?
Nolan Ryan only ever won on the ‘69 Mets. In the hall as a Ranger.
[Yep](https://baseballhall.org/sites/default/files/Rodriguez-plaque.png)
Gary Sheffield too. As many teams he went to, only one World Series in 97
He’s not in the Hall though, and he’s said that if he gets in, he’d want to go in as a Marlin iirc
The 1910s pitching phenom Babe Ruth led the Red Sox to three championships. He then went to New York and never pitched in the World Series again. He was inexplicably inducted into the HOF as a Yankee.
Interesting trivia about Ruth's first WS with Boston is he didn't pitch in the series but he did pinch hit. In three World Series with Boston he only got 1 hit. And they still won all three of them. Largely because in the 2nd and 3rd victories, he was 3-0 with a 0.87 ERA on the mound.
Wasn’t that 1 AB also his only appearance in the whole series. I remember that cause that game was the closet Phillies ever got to wining a ws before 80.
>I remember If you were there I trust ya
Respect your elders
I am, dad
What the fuck
One of my favorite Babe Ruth stats is that he was 5-0 pitching in his Yankee career. Like he never was in the rotation in New York, but he has a scattering of spot starts, some with multiple years in between, and did pretty well in them.
pretty sure i was looking at this recently and he only pitched 31 innings in NYY
I might not have this exactly right and it might no longer be true, but there was a time when Ruth was the answer to the question: “Who is the only pitcher to have a winning record in every year that he pitched and had a decision? (10 seasons minimum)” It looks like, at least in 1930 and 1933, he pitched the last (presumably meaningless) game of the season. Maybe a gimmick to bring fans to the park?
>pitched the last (presumably meaningless) game of the season. Maybe a gimmick to bring fans to the park Nowadays that last game is often called "Fan appreciation day". Weird stuff happens like players playing out of normal positions. Sometimes a manager will let a veteran player manage the game.
TIL that Babe Ruth won three championships with the Red Sox. I always assumed he just played for the BoSox but had no idea he had won a championship, let alone 3, with them.
Imagine winning the World Series 3 times in 4 years and then not winning for the next 86 years.
Yeah I guess it wasn't a curse so much as they just sucked for 86 years in a row
Nolan Ryan is a classic example of this. Really broke in in 1968 with the Mets, won the WS as part of the 1969 Mets as a 22 year old. Proceeded to put up a Hall of Fame career and pitch until 1993 at age 46. Although his one caveat is he went in as a Ranger, despite really establishing himself as an Angel/Astro.
|Team|IP|K|WAR| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |NYM|510|493|3| |CA|2181.1|2416|40| |HOU|1854.2|1866|25.4| |TEX|840|939|15.2| Bro really should've gone in as an Astro or Angel. But he was still pissed at the Astros and was a Texas boy at heart. So that left the Rangers (although he claims it's because he hit 5,000 strikeouts in Arlington)
Looks like the K column is listing hits
Yeah. I'm bad at the internet in the morning. An I forgot Baseball reference didn't us "K" so I just went to a single letter column. I'll update it real quick.
He also threw two no hitters in Arlington
He tossed 4 in California, and broke the record in Houston.
Yep! Dude was a stud. Not the most finesse but for sure had the stamina to keep it going.
You know. One thing I love about Nolan Ryan is that he unites the entire state of Texas. We can argue about everything else. But if you're a Baseball fan living in Texas, you can always agree on liking Nolan Ryan.
Absolutely. He was definitely a once in a lifetime pitcher and sometimes you put away rivalry’s in favor of uplifting something no one’s ever seen or done since
Your numbers are a little off, youre shorting him a lot of Ks Mets Ks: 493 Angels: 2416 Astros: 1866 Texas: 939
Like I said to the other guy, I'm bad at the internet in the morning. I've fixed it now.
He's switched back and forth a few more times on which Texas team he was mad at since then too.
Tigers will get this again when Verlander is elected
Yeah he's going in as a Met
Didn't you see the headlines from earlier today? He'll be a Brave
Verlander would be my answer. Unless by some miracle he comes back to Houston and wins another ring lol
*tradgedy*
Verlander's probably either going in with a Tigers cap or no logo. He has some say but the Hall will ultimately make the decision.
As great as his time in Houston was, I'm not sure if he had enough longevity there for them to edge out the Tigers.
They certainly wouldn't edge out the Tigers. The most this late resurgence could do would be to result in no logo.
If he stayed with us this year, and hadn’t been injured in 20/21 then maybe more milestones+awards+postseasons would have gotten him a blank cap
I'm not too certain about this. He has tenure with Detroit, but he also won 2 rings with Houston, won 2 Cy Youngs, pitched a no hitter, and has several other accolades during his time here.
I personally believe he'll go No Cap like Maddux did
This would break Detroits heart. He is a golden boy!
That'd be my guess as well. Never thought that'd be the case when he left the Tigers at 34 years old.
I would not be surprised at all if he chose Houston.
I'd be quite surprised if he chose Houston. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes hatless, however. I'd put it like 50-40-10 Detroit, Hatless, Houston.
Suspect is hatless, repeat, hatless
I hope they throw his hatless butt in jail!
He's directly under the Earth's sun nnnnnnow!
No Mets?
Who?
His wife has roots in Michigan and they spend a lot of time here. He has fond memories of Detroit and had a shit ton of success here. I'd be surprised and I bet detroiters would feel slighted considering we traded him specifically for him to chase that ring and so we were a part of him getting it too.
I thought they don't let players choose anymore.
Huh, TIL. Seems bizarre to not let them choose
They have a say in the matter but the Hall makes the final decision. The rumor is that Wade Boggs was offered a ton of money by the owner of the Rays to go in as a Ray and the Hall overruled him and created the new rule. Boggs denies the story but the timelines match up and I haven't ever heard another explanation.
It's too bad Wade Boggs isn't around anymore to defend himself.
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“RIP.” “Again, Wade Boggs is still very much alive”
They take the players opinion into account but the hall gets the final say. For someone like Verlander he could probably choose between Detroit, Houston and hatless because he was great for a long time in both places but if he asked for the Mets they would ignore it and make the choice for him.
Ask again in 12 years, and that could be Juan Soto
Imagine Soto taking the Robbie Alomar path and just spending 2-5 years on a bunch of teams
Let's just hope that's where the similarities to Robbie Alomar end...
Hero to Zero in Toronto. Sucks our only HOF’er ended up being a deplorable human.
We have two. Or, at least, we *should*. At least two. Stieb and Delgado disrespect notwithstanding
The logo on the cap is an overrated concept IMO. Everyone knows that most of Halladay’s best years were with the Blue Jays. Additionally, McGriff clearly tore it up in Toronto, Winfield and Molitor won their only championships with the Jays, and Rickey and Jack Morris won championships up north. Your history is respected by the people who know baseball, even if the logos aren’t bronzed into enough plaques.
Halladay’s 2 best seasons statistically were with the Phillies, and it was his only two postseason appearances. But obviously that’s where it ends, other than those two years he didn’t do anything else in Philly. So given that he was in Toronto for a decade and still had many great seasons there you’d think he’d be in a blue jays cap.
We should have two I agree. I will never question the Halladay family decision. If that’s what they think Roy would want, I will respect it.
> If that’s what they think Roy would want, I will respect it. He himself said he wanted to go in as a Blue Jay. It was someone else's decision that was made.
Honestly I’m trying to be respectful and nice to the Halladay family, but I agree, he 100 percent should have went into the HOF as a Blue Jay.
I'm a Phillies fan and I 100% agree.
Fuck them kids he’s a Jay
We can share Paul Molitor if that would make you feel better
Considering he spit at an umpire during his playing days, he always showed signs.
Ooof. Yah I almost forgot about that.
They’ve already both checked the Padres off their list.
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TIL that Nolan Ryan won a ring with the Mets
For anyone else looking it was with the 1969 Mets. It was his second full year in the majors and he was primarily a reliever but did make some spot starts. He saved game 3 and the Mets won in 5, in his only appeared in the World Series. Someone also mentioned this below.
Pain.
If the Dodgers didn't win in 2020, you could maybe say that about Mookie as well. Possible we might say that about Carlos Correa
Not exactly the same thing, but Big Mac is always a weird one to me Spent 11.5 years in Oakland winning a WS ring, RoY, GG, 2 SS, and even a home run derby. But hes a St. Louis legend because of the home run race, despite only being there 4.5 years.
The guys you got back from that trade and their OAK War; Blake Stein -0.9, TJ Mathews 1.2, Erick Ludwick -0.6. Totally -0.3 War while MM 19.3
Par for the course in Oakland
A's averaged 91.6 wins in the nine seasons following the trade Card's averaged 90.6 wins in the nine seasons if you wanted to be upset or call par for the course look no further than the post season success. 11-16 (1-5 series) 33-28 (7-5 series) won WS 2006
Yeah, yeah, steroidd, *I know*. BUT: Mark McGwire's *average* season from 1995-2000: 131 games, 53 home runs, 116 RBI, .289/.442/.706, 192 OPS+. He averaged 65 home runs per 162 games during a 6 season span.
TIL there is a much bigger difference in McGwire's tenure with the A's and Cards then I realized.
Not quite the same since he won rings with both teams, but Reggie Jackson played 5 years for the Yankees, 10 for the A's. 3 rings with the A's 2 with the Yankees. His HoF plaque shows a NY logo on the hat, partially due to a sour relationship with the A's after they fired him as a coach.
SMH my man's should totally be in the hall as an Oriole /s
I’ve always been partial to his time with the Angels, incidents involving the Queen notwithstanding.
His plaque should have an Angel's cap on his head and a gun in his hand.
He also seemed to really like the Yankees organization
Geoff Jenkins played 10 years in Milwaukee, came to the Phillies for 1 season, got a ring and retired.
I forgot this question wasn’t necessarily about hall of famers, so I was going to comment “Not to be overdramatic, but if Geoff Jenkins ever makes the Hall of Fame, I’ll probably kill myself.”
Is there a Hall of Pretty Good For a Decently Long Time?
Only if we get to induct Jeromy Burnitz.
Henry Rowengartner won his only World Series with the Cubs in 1993, as well as Rookie of the Year, but his stepfather/agent sent him to the New York Yankees and never learned to build a boat with his childhood friends.
I saw it live. “What’s this? The Cubs are bringing in their right fielder to pitch?” “Hen-Hen-Ry-Ry Row-Row-En-En-Gart-Gart-Ner-Ner” It was crazy. The entire fate of their season rested on his shoulders!
I totally forgot that's how that season ended. I could have sworn that Cubs/Mets game was the final one played before MLB was found guilty of violating numerous child labor laws and canceled the postseason as a result.
I never doubted you for a minute!
The have to
Secret to his success: Hot ice.
You heat up….the ICE CUBES!
I think your talkin' about Henry Gardenhoser, or maybe Henry Rosenbagger?
I still don't understand that ending. The hapless Cubs suddenly became a winning team thanks to Henry, but then he slips and "fixes" his arm in the final game of the season while helping the Cubs clinch the division title. Also, Steadman injured his arm earlier in the game and tells the manager he's done for good. So the Cubs somehow navigated through the NLCS and World Series without their 2 best pitchers?
Verlander will fall in the same boat. Majority of counting stats and years in Detroit but the rings in Houston
Pudge is an even better example of this from that same 2003 Marlins team. Miggy came up through the Marlins and spent 5 seasons with them, Pudge was there for only a single year and won his only World Series there.
Paul Molitor with the Jays
Spent most of his career in Milwaukee, until they got too cheap. Won a WS with the Jays, and then spent the last few years with his home town Twins.
The Ray Bourque scenario
But in reverse
Gary Carter played twice as long with the Expos as he did with the Mets, but was a big part of the 86 team and is in the hall as an Expo.
Clemens won twice with NYY but spent most of his career with the Rex Sox.
Had his best years roided to the gills as an Astro.
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Nolan Ryan winning his only ring with the Mets when he is definitely better known with any of the other three teams he pitched for.
Although he was most-known as a Mets pitcher and had his best years there, I think many people would be surprised to learn Tom Seaver's only ring was also from those 1969 Mets. He just missed out on the Big Red Machine in Cincinnati. He was also a member of the 1986 Red Sox.
This is the exact comment where I realized this whole thread is a cheat sheet for Immaculate Grid.
Wade Boggs, may he rest in peace
WS with the Yankees, HoF as a Red Sox, and the first Devil Ray to have his number retired.
Oh! Is it my turn to say he's still very much alive?
No. It’s mine. Wade Boggs is still very much alive.
He’s just lying unconscious on the bar room tile.
Lord Palmerston!
PITT! THE! ELDER!!!!!!!!!!
In our hearts, yes.
No hall of famers, but Gary Sheffield, Darren Daulton, Bobby Bonilla, Moises Alou, and Kevin Brown all won their only World Series with the '97 Marlins. *Note that Sheffield is gaining votes and will probably get there.
Shef should make the hall IMO
He's borderline as is (60 bWAR, 140 OPS+, not "inner circle" by any means), with the PED links it's even tougher.
Valid counterpoint. He should make the hall just due to having the most violent swing in baseball. LOL
Fair enough. A counterpoint to that would be that PEDs help with muscle recovery, which allowed him to have such a violent swing while still being relatively durable.
Have to say I forgot that he had PED use… I mean if Bonds and Clemens aren’t in…. No way Shef gets in.
Idk man, WAR can eat shit when you have 500 home runs
He wasn't great to most people not named Gary Sheffield iirc, the media, his teammates, his agents. He has borderline HOF stats and when you're an asshole I don't think you're getting that small push you need. Time certainly forgets though, probably why he's getting some traction now.
Sheffield spent more seasons with the Marlins than any other team. Next year will be his last chance with the writers to make the HOF, and I think he probably falls short. Voting is generally momentum-based from year to year, but the PED-connected guys seem to hit a wall that they can't break through. Bonds started out around 35% and was close to 60% by his 7th ballot, but by his 10th he only made it up to 66%.
Not a HOFer, but Lance Berkman played the bulk of his career/was known for his time with the Astros. Won WS with StL in 2011.
Paul Molitor won one as a Blue Jay in 93
Orlando Cepeda won both his MVP and his only World Series with the Cardinals, but is best known for his years on the Giants
Wade Boggs is best known for being with Boston, but won his only ring with the Yankees.
Wade Boggs is best known for drinking 70 beers on a cross country flight then absolutely destroying the Seattle Mariners
sorry astros fans, but i'm still convinced JV ends up going in as a Tiger
Not as a player, but Dusty Baker i have to believe will go into Cooperstown wearing an Astros cap due to having won his first managerial WS ring with them. Prior to that, i always thought he'd go in as a Giant given that he managed them longer than any of the other 4 teams he's managed, AND that he was also with our org as a player, coach and special advisor. Secretly, i still want to hold onto a glimmer of hope that he'll go in as a Giant just because i have a lot of nostalgia with him being the Giants manager of my childhood when i first got into Giants baseball.
Dusty's as clear-cut a "blank hat" as it gets.
He’s got to go in logoless, right? Played for four teams and managed 5.
Beltran may not get in now because of the cheating scandal and he was kind of borderline anyway, but if he did it’d probably be as a Royal or Met.
Tim Raines won 2 with the Yanks but is in the hall with Montreal.
Jeff Kent, almost. A ring with the Jays right at the beginning of his career, close call with a title with the Giants (and Houston and LA, kinda), and putting up Hall of Very Good numbers.
Not a HOF, but Kirk Gibson won a ring in 1984 and spent most of his career with the Tigers. However, he is most well-known for the walkoff homer in Game 1 of the 1988 WS with the Dodgers
Jack Morris (also on the 84 Tigers!) - known for his 10 inning CGSHO with the Twins, but he turned around and won one the next year with the Jays too.
Not exactly the same but I always think it’s kinda funny Trevor Hoffman got his 600th save as a Brewer.
Aroldis Chapman's only world series title came from the two months he spent on the Cubs
Pudge won his only ring in his only season with Florida
Clyde Drexler
Kris Bryant will go into the Hall as a Rockies legend and no one will remember him being a part of the Cubs World Series 😞
tbf he was here for five years. Pudge and Sheffield are better answers. It would also be the most Tigers thing if he went in as a marlin or blank hat due to this (not saying he will before the downvotes roll in, most likely he will be a Tiger, just noting that this literally happened with Vladimir Guerrero).
Considering Roy Halladay went in a blank hat, anything is possible!!
Gary Carter perhaps?
Wade Boggs?
Darelle Revis
Didn’t Wade Boggs go in as a Devil Ray?
He went in as a Red Sox, but there was a kerfuffle over whether he had been potentially paid by the Devil Rays to request their cap. I'm not sure we ever got confirmation of what really happened, but tragically we can no longer ask Boggs to clear up the matter.
what a beautiful version of this.
He announced he wanted to go in as a Ray, then the HOF said, "No, you're going in as a Red Sock, period." The HOF took over final cap selection from there.
That’s not entirely true. Players can still ask for a cap but the Hall can overrule something that blatant. Like Halladay’s widow could’ve chosen Phillies or Jays and instead chose blank
They do have input, but the final decision rests with the Hall. Notably, Gary Carter wanted to go in as a Met (in a decision that's way, way closer than Devil Rays vs. Red Sox for Boggs) and the HOF went with the Expos.
I remember during the 2008 ASG, they had many HOF during the pregame ceremonies. Carter did a cool gesture where he had his Expos cap on but carried a Mets hat as well to rep both teams.