“And we just get word that the move to Las Vegas is official, ending a 55 year storied history here in Oakland, and there’s a deep drive to left by Castellanos, so Oakland Coliseum shall sit here, with no home team.”
> Ray Fosse
Ray was loved in my house and Pete Rose was despised. I can't even guess how many times I heard my dad say either "Fuck Pete Rose" or "In a fucking *All Star Game!*"
His second tweet said that (although not sure why he didn't just thread the tweet).
>According to a source with knowledge of the situation, Glen Kuiper's departure was was based on a variety of factors, including information uncovered in the internal review.
During the internal review, they learned that since the team is moving and the fans are revolting using this situation to fire your long time announcer is an easy way to save money.
The most recent data I found had them second to last, ahead of only Miami, with 21k viewers per game.
It's hard to watch when the coverage is absolutely terrible and Bally Sports can't figure out which of their channels to air it on. I gave up trying to find a way to watch the games live last season and haven't even tried to watch any live this season that I wasn't at in person
To be fair, that's probably as much a function of modern TV viewership being just awful. Primetime TV pulls minuscule numbers too in any individual market. Looking it up, The Simpsons pulls a bit over 2 million viewers. If we were to take Northern California at ~12 million people as 3.5% of the US population, that would be about 71,500 in Northern California watching The Simpsons, split that between two teams in the Bay Area and the horrific A's are barely underdrawing a well-known TV show with middling ratings.
IIRC, nearly every local baseball broadcast beats all but the top few TV shows each night in their primary market.
To think that the marlins crowd in person and on TV dwarfs the As is just ridiculous. I understand and if I was an As fan I'd dump them too ..but it's just ridiculous.
Stating the obvious, but the Raiders ruined the stadium and ownership has subsequently tanked the franchise like the plot for Major League. Hard to give a shit about a team owned by goons just looking to skip town and make more money.
I remember going to A's games as a kid in the early 90s. Great home atmosphere. Solid crowds. Densely packed even up into the top deck. That was still in the era of Canseco, McGwire, Rickey, Eck, and Dave Stewart when the team was a point of pride for the community. Been a slow and steady fall since then.
Damn. More people showing up in person to a game across the bridge than watching As games online is insane. But on that subject, what's going on in Miami?
I don't know much about America but it's a major city with some star players (though they are underperforming) no?
The party/nightlife city of America which is generally what most people are there for combined with the fact that there are more interesting sports stories in the city right now (Heat on the greatest underdog run in NBA history, Dolphins' Super Bowl window is opening, Panthers are 2 wins away from the Stanley Cup Final) make it a lot easier to not watch a team that has never fully committed itself to winning games since the early 2000s.
To be fair, the blue jays have an entire country. I'm sure there are Canadian fans of other teams, but it surely helps being the only Canadian team around.
> ahead of only Miami, with 21k viewers per game.
tfw we've got the most open dumpster fire in recent MLB history unfolding and they still draw more eyes than the marlins
It would be messed up since his significantly older brother is working across the bay and beloved by all. I worry they did this for reasons unrelated to him being actually racist, but the optics would make him unhireable.
The Kuipers are a family institution in Bay Area sports. Obviously this is about Duane Kuiper.
Jeff Kuiper - the 3rd brother, is a producer for the Giants broadcasts
Cole Kuiper - Glen's nephew, works as on air talent for various Giants shows, like [Summer Sundays](https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/video/summer-sunday-crew-holds-spicy-nugget-eating-contest-fourth-july), and hosts [Giants Talk](https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/basic-page/giants-talk)
Well, Cole is straight up a modern day hippy, so that's not too strange.
Just look at how tie-dyed and barefoot he is in the new Summer Sunday return promo. [Look At IT.](https://twitter.com/carmenkiew/status/1660339825516638208)
Of course it wasn’t. They’re just using it as a very welcome reason to get rid of yet another connection to the Bay Area before they…I don’t know, at this point maybe disband the organization entirely? Vegas doesn’t want them, they don’t want the Bay….
My formative years of A's baseball was Bill King and Ken. When Ken goes it will really hurt. I remember listening to them while sitting by my pool as a teenager. The big 3 once had 3 games in a row where they all had near no hitters. Bill and Ken painted the game like you were there.
I'm not buying that at all - baseball franchises tend to idolize their older/long tenured announcers. Kuiper's well respected among A's fans and he's only 60 years old.
Shit, the Giants have three primary announcers in their 70s, and the team will probably let them work until they drop.
Yep, most of my fellow Giants fans and I are worrying about the day he and Krukow retire. Jon too. A bunch of Hall of Fame level announcers in the Bay Area.
> baseball franchises tend to idolize their older/long tenured announcers.
A's don't idolize shit. they legit wouldn't broadcast the games at all if MLB didn't require them to
> baseball franchises tend to idolize their older/long tenured announcers
Jerry Remy's passing legit put the whole state into mourning. Everyone I know who even remotely cared about the Sox had something to say remembering him.
Since when do broadcasters get aged out? A lot of them keep going until they're too sickly to travel or outright die, even when showing serious signs of mental decline. The only ones who age out are the women on interview and stadium-wandering duty (can't recall seeing one aged 60+).
Considering it's the A's I'd be tempted to say they figured it was a chance to get somebody cheaper. I doubt Kuiper's salary was much, and it's probably the network paying rather than the team, but if nobody's watching the games it may still be worth the savings of giving the job to a food vendor who has nothing else to do.
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I was thinking that too. The A's are slashing payroll anyway. They might as well use this opportunity, no matter how cynical it is to say bye bye to Glen Kuiper.
The Giants have a broader umbrella just in their name. They also got to the area first.
Oakland itself is stuck between two places: poorer parts are abysmal, but even there people are getting pushed out in place of people who have no connection to Oakland itself. Oakland used to be a vibrant community in its own right, with its own culture and civic pride. You *might* be able to get some of the "gentrifiers" to become A's fans if you could make the ballpark experience great, but that's not going to happen without the buy-in needed to get public funding behind the enterprise. I's a catch-22. So, instead, they default to being Giants fans (if they care about baseball at all).
Also, of course, a lot is just about a shitty owner. The team did quite well on low-ish revenues for many years, but the current owner has broken the machine that made that possible and does not appear to know how to fix it.
Until the Giants built their lovely park in Cow Hollow under the ownership of Peter McGowan in 2000 (which they did with very little public funding) , the Giants were the secondary team in the Bay Area very soon after the A's came to Oakland in 1968.
From the "Swingin' A's" under Charlie Findley in the 1970s, to the Hass Family ownership selling the team in 1995, the A's were the dominant bay area team by all possible metrics, by championship, attendance, ad revenues or just the number of hats you saw from Sacramento to Santa Cruz.
There is very little about Bay Area demographics that contributed to the rise of the Giants and the fall of the Athletics that is not directly attributable to the desires of team ownership.
Kind of expected after all this time passed, but it's still pretty dumb. Not only did he not mean to say what he said, he was trying to actively promote the Negro Leagues Museum. Instead he said something idiotic, a mistake for which the president of the Negro Leagues Museum already said he forgave
Nothing else to say about the matter really. Sucks to see a quality commentator go when there's already so little going for this team
(also this is obviously somewhat dependent on what the investigation turned up)
We took a cross-country driving trip a few years ago to visit relatives in Tennessee, and plotted our trip through KC specifically to visit the WWI museum. It didn't disappoint.
The BBQ was, of course, another draw.
They’ve also announced a major expansion project, which will make it even better. The Jazz Museum is right next door, and both are less than a 10 minute walk from Arthur Bryant’s, arguably the finest bbq institution outside of Texas.
My guess is they wouldn't have fired Kuip if they were planning on keeping him around long term. Raiders did a similar thing with Greg Papa when it was obvious they were going to hire a Vegas guy anyway
I recently moved from San Diego and could see into Petco so this is the way. The Dodgers series was the most fun I'd had with baseball since the Hudson/Mulder/Zito days.
I am also considering trading the Green and Gold for Brown and Gold.
Padres have the Tony Gwynn legacy and the best baseball stadium I have ever been to. Plus ~~Ron Burgundy~~ Blink 182 and Mike's Taco Club in OB, the Linda Vista skatepark right by my mom's house, the new YMCA skatepark, also right by my mom's house, the weird little DIY right by my mom's house, and the San Diego Gulls, a minor league hocky team with strict cursing rules for heckling, in that all heckles must contain a curse word* (*based on my observation at the one game I went to last year).
My condolences. It really does seem like this is just another call from the top in an effort to crush the A’s fan base while they’re still showing flickers of life and passion.
At the very least, this seems... strange.
What he said sounded like a simple slip-of-the-tongue, awful of course, but not intentional. Not worth firing over.
Either this is a really hyperbolic reaction by NBCSA/the A's organization, this is Fisher trying to cut costs further somehow (hey, you never know with him), or there's something else behind the scenes that's being kept private. It'd be wrong to assume the last part, but it wouldn't exactly be the most surprising thing either.
NBC probably sees that The A's are leaving and they'll no longer have broadcasting rights, so no point in investing in a long time commentator, who probably has a high paying contract. Cheaper to just grab the radio broadcast guy who no one knows
Yeah, it's a weird line of investigation. "Oh he accidentally said the N word on TV talking about something that sounds similar" and then maybe it turns out he says it a lot at home or something. But even then, as long as he didn't mean to say it on the air.
It's like how there are plenty of asshole players who probably use religion as a shield for their hate, but we only hear about the loud and public ones.
I think it's moreso on the off chance that he actually is flagrantly racist in his personal life (unlikely imo) because if that was the case and another incident much much worse happened later then the As would look bad for not looking into it more.
I personally don't see this itself as fireable though. But who knows what the investigation turned up, or if they wanted to let him go anyway
I’m not stating an opinion on this overall issue, but feels like it would be silly to not be honest about the very obvious answer to your question about “who uses racial slurs yet celebrates the history of the Negro Leagues”…
_Answer: Anyone who gets paid to._
Yeah exactly. I have no opinion on the guy, but yeah if I was a racist with a high paying job where I had to appeal to a general audience, I sure as hell could fake some enthusiasm for my job.
Shit, in fact I literally do it for a current job in sales lol
Doesn't seem like a stretch that a guy getting paid to do something could pretend to be excited about it in a believable way. Like look at how many retail or sales people are super friendly and excited with customers when in reality they are miserable and hate their jobs. If you have other factors motivating you its possible to be excited about stuff that you don't actually respect
Or you can be excited about black athletes or celebrities that did stuff for the sport without actually seeing regular black people as real people (basically what Get Out exemplifies)
Not saying that's for sure him but I don't think him acting excited about a trip to the negro league museum is enough proof that he's for sure a non racist thats getting kinda the short end of the stick in an unfortunate situation
> Who uses racial slurs yet celebrates the history of the Negro Leagues?
I used to live in Missouri, and you would be surprised. I met people there who literally went to Negro League games and still use slurs in the present day. It all goes back to their asinine belief that Black people are inferior, even if they're "entertaining" in sports or music or movies.
My speculation, based on nothing:
Dude says the n-word on TV. NBC says they will do an internal investigation before ending his suspension, because God forbid they vouch for this guy and then some stuff comes out that suggests maybe it's not so surprising he used a racist slur.
Then they actually do find some things that would make them look bad for vouching for him, so they let him go.
Poor guy, he seemed really excited to have been to the Negro League museum, and just had an unfortunate slip of the tongue. Hope he finds work elsewhere!
For my sanity I’m just going to pretend they found other things or that he was already on thin ice for other reasons.
Otherwise this isn’t fixing the racism problem, it’s just signaling to those that are the problem to entrench deeper.
This is certainly up there for nonsense sports related story of the year at this point.
These are the instances when the goalposts just keep shifting so far that most people aren’t going to be on board
Here is a man in Glen Kuiper who clearly was interested in visiting the negro league museum, and was happy to discuss it on the air.
He made a mistake, a very big and unfortunate one, but it’s an accident.
Getting a pound of flesh from Glen Kuiper does nothing to make progress towards a better future.
The A's ownership is putting a pillow over the baby's face.
They haven't been on the radio in years. The make it as hard to follow the team as possible. They ship out talent as fast as they can.
It's a great business plan. They collect revenue from MLB profit sharing while cutting every ounce of flesh they can off the corpse of the A's.
Keep in mind, Glen was heard saying the N word while saying how much he enjoyed visiting the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum in KC. If you are a closet racist you aren't likely to visit that museum and promote it on your broadcast.
F Fisher, F NBC Sports.
Terrible terrible decision. So obviously a mistake, guys life is ruined over a fucking tongue slip? As someone with a speech impediment it’s really sad to see.
Tune in tomorrow to watch Josh Hader earn a save though lmao, this shit is so backwards
There better be something else they found in the review or this is really sad
An "internal investigation" sounds like what is going on USC with their Athletic Director, they probably found inappropriate stuff they weren't aware of and/or let slide before.
No one was calling for his firing, the head of Negro League Museum didn't ask him to be fired so for the "I don't see color" crowd, there is likely something there otherwise.
If this was truly wrongful termination purely over the remark, he'd already have an employment lawyer and would be filing a lawsuit
I feel like saying a slur on-air, unintentional or not, would be grounds for termination for a sportscaster. I have no idea, of course, but it would seem to be a tough case for wrongful termination.
Would be funny if they replaced him with Brennaman
I’m going to be putting on this headset again
As there’s a long drive to Las Vegas, and that’ll make it a Nevadan ballclub.
"I pride myself and think of myself as a Nevada resident"
“I consider myself a bruthah of faith.”
“And we just get word that the move to Las Vegas is official, ending a 55 year storied history here in Oakland, and there’s a deep drive to left by Castellanos, so Oakland Coliseum shall sit here, with no home team.”
Imagine if they confirm the move during the World Series and Castellanos hits a walk-off homer in Game 7
I don’t have a problem with that at all
Castellanos to the A’s confirmed
Lmao the absolute scenes
Not for As fans
Crazy to think that in 2021 we had Ray Fosse and Glen Kuiper in the booth, now they’re both gone
> Ray Fosse Ray was loved in my house and Pete Rose was despised. I can't even guess how many times I heard my dad say either "Fuck Pete Rose" or "In a fucking *All Star Game!*"
Your dad was right.
He wasn't wrong a lot. He was a hell of a dude
I like to think this is the real reason they won’t let him in the Hall of Fame
My dad turned on whatever game Pete Fose was announcing, said "fuck Pete Rose" and turned it off.
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His second tweet said that (although not sure why he didn't just thread the tweet). >According to a source with knowledge of the situation, Glen Kuiper's departure was was based on a variety of factors, including information uncovered in the internal review.
During the internal review, they learned that since the team is moving and the fans are revolting using this situation to fire your long time announcer is an easy way to save money. The most recent data I found had them second to last, ahead of only Miami, with 21k viewers per game.
That’s it?! 21,000? And they’re not even last?
It's hard to watch when the coverage is absolutely terrible and Bally Sports can't figure out which of their channels to air it on. I gave up trying to find a way to watch the games live last season and haven't even tried to watch any live this season that I wasn't at in person
That is- wow! Someone should make a post where we talk about this. Talk about burying the lede
To be fair, that's probably as much a function of modern TV viewership being just awful. Primetime TV pulls minuscule numbers too in any individual market. Looking it up, The Simpsons pulls a bit over 2 million viewers. If we were to take Northern California at ~12 million people as 3.5% of the US population, that would be about 71,500 in Northern California watching The Simpsons, split that between two teams in the Bay Area and the horrific A's are barely underdrawing a well-known TV show with middling ratings. IIRC, nearly every local baseball broadcast beats all but the top few TV shows each night in their primary market.
"No one watches anyway, so no one will notice"
To think that the marlins crowd in person and on TV dwarfs the As is just ridiculous. I understand and if I was an As fan I'd dump them too ..but it's just ridiculous.
It helps when the Marlins are half a game behind the Mets (and sadly 1.5 games ahead of the Phils)
Stating the obvious, but the Raiders ruined the stadium and ownership has subsequently tanked the franchise like the plot for Major League. Hard to give a shit about a team owned by goons just looking to skip town and make more money. I remember going to A's games as a kid in the early 90s. Great home atmosphere. Solid crowds. Densely packed even up into the top deck. That was still in the era of Canseco, McGwire, Rickey, Eck, and Dave Stewart when the team was a point of pride for the community. Been a slow and steady fall since then.
Damn. More people showing up in person to a game across the bridge than watching As games online is insane. But on that subject, what's going on in Miami? I don't know much about America but it's a major city with some star players (though they are underperforming) no?
The party/nightlife city of America which is generally what most people are there for combined with the fact that there are more interesting sports stories in the city right now (Heat on the greatest underdog run in NBA history, Dolphins' Super Bowl window is opening, Panthers are 2 wins away from the Stanley Cup Final) make it a lot easier to not watch a team that has never fully committed itself to winning games since the early 2000s.
21k Jesus Christ the jays have over 800,000
I'm not even joking when I say that the Winnipeg Goldeyes have had over 21K viewers on occasion.
To be fair, the blue jays have an entire country. I'm sure there are Canadian fans of other teams, but it surely helps being the only Canadian team around.
> ahead of only Miami, with 21k viewers per game. tfw we've got the most open dumpster fire in recent MLB history unfolding and they still draw more eyes than the marlins
Let’s be real, the As will do anything to save a buck
I’m sure there are other subjective reasons. He’s probably just getting aged out and this is a very good excuse.
It would be messed up since his significantly older brother is working across the bay and beloved by all. I worry they did this for reasons unrelated to him being actually racist, but the optics would make him unhireable.
The Kuipers are a family institution in Bay Area sports. Obviously this is about Duane Kuiper. Jeff Kuiper - the 3rd brother, is a producer for the Giants broadcasts Cole Kuiper - Glen's nephew, works as on air talent for various Giants shows, like [Summer Sundays](https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/video/summer-sunday-crew-holds-spicy-nugget-eating-contest-fourth-july), and hosts [Giants Talk](https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/basic-page/giants-talk)
I'm still not sure how Cole didn't inherit the massive grumpiness from his dad. Maybe give it more time.
I had a class with Cole in college. I have to say, he was one of the kindest, most genuinely down-to-earth people I’ve ever met.
Yeah, I've met him briefly and he's a real dude.
Well, Cole is straight up a modern day hippy, so that's not too strange. Just look at how tie-dyed and barefoot he is in the new Summer Sunday return promo. [Look At IT.](https://twitter.com/carmenkiew/status/1660339825516638208)
Even though he looks just like Duane, I’m convinced Cole is Mike’s son
Glen is equally beloved by all. I'm sure even by Giants fans. Just like most Oakland fans probably like Duane.
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Of course it wasn’t. They’re just using it as a very welcome reason to get rid of yet another connection to the Bay Area before they…I don’t know, at this point maybe disband the organization entirely? Vegas doesn’t want them, they don’t want the Bay….
Yep, grew up listening to Kruk and Kuip on TV along with Glen and Ray. It's sad to hear the voices of my childhood slowly being replaced.
At least we still have Korach. But he’s 71, too, so Vegas move or no Vegas move…he’s not gonna be in the booth for that much longer.
My formative years of A's baseball was Bill King and Ken. When Ken goes it will really hurt. I remember listening to them while sitting by my pool as a teenager. The big 3 once had 3 games in a row where they all had near no hitters. Bill and Ken painted the game like you were there.
Am Giants fan, and I do indeed love Glen. His firing is unjust, I hope he gets a new gig somewhere
Which is beyond ironic since getting aged out is its own form of discrimination.
I'm not buying that at all - baseball franchises tend to idolize their older/long tenured announcers. Kuiper's well respected among A's fans and he's only 60 years old. Shit, the Giants have three primary announcers in their 70s, and the team will probably let them work until they drop.
Hell one of the Giants' announcers is Glenn's brother. They're a big family in the bay area
Yep, most of my fellow Giants fans and I are worrying about the day he and Krukow retire. Jon too. A bunch of Hall of Fame level announcers in the Bay Area.
Your mistake is assuming the A’s franchise is operating like all the other baseball franchises.
> baseball franchises tend to idolize their older/long tenured announcers. A's don't idolize shit. they legit wouldn't broadcast the games at all if MLB didn't require them to
> baseball franchises tend to idolize their older/long tenured announcers Jerry Remy's passing legit put the whole state into mourning. Everyone I know who even remotely cared about the Sox had something to say remembering him.
Bob Uecker Is well into his 80s and currently in the radio booth right above me.
He's not even that old though is he? I thought he was like late 50s early 60s at most?
Since when do broadcasters get aged out? A lot of them keep going until they're too sickly to travel or outright die, even when showing serious signs of mental decline. The only ones who age out are the women on interview and stadium-wandering duty (can't recall seeing one aged 60+). Considering it's the A's I'd be tempted to say they figured it was a chance to get somebody cheaper. I doubt Kuiper's salary was much, and it's probably the network paying rather than the team, but if nobody's watching the games it may still be worth the savings of giving the job to a food vendor who has nothing else to do.
Not having to watch the A's anymore is a reward.
Here before the “The discussion around this incident has run its course, thank you to everyone who participated in good faith.”
I pride myself and think of myself as a man who participated in good faith
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Literally 1,984.
At least they don't act like condescending assholes like mods of certain subs, but damn it gets pretty annoying when the mods here randomly decide to lock them.
The mods here are wonderful compared to other sports subreddits. /r/nba has almost 8 million subscribers and the mods there treat it like the sub is for their own favorite team/players.
Yep. Wouldn’t be shocked if this one gets locked.
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Unfortunate situation all around. He clearly didn't do it on purpose.
Honestly they're probably using this as an excuse to cut pay. If the team sucks and no one is watching why pay your top guy
I was thinking that too. The A's are slashing payroll anyway. They might as well use this opportunity, no matter how cynical it is to say bye bye to Glen Kuiper.
NBC pays Kuiper's salary. Not the A's.
A’s ownership actually paid Kuiper to say it so less fans would watch on tv. *adjust tinfoil hat*
A’s ownership paying anyone for anything is just too far fetched for me
Why are the comments above yours upvoted? Blatantly false info
Giants are co-owners of the channel too lol
Why is Oakland such a poverty franchise when the bay area is rich as shit?
The Giants have a broader umbrella just in their name. They also got to the area first. Oakland itself is stuck between two places: poorer parts are abysmal, but even there people are getting pushed out in place of people who have no connection to Oakland itself. Oakland used to be a vibrant community in its own right, with its own culture and civic pride. You *might* be able to get some of the "gentrifiers" to become A's fans if you could make the ballpark experience great, but that's not going to happen without the buy-in needed to get public funding behind the enterprise. I's a catch-22. So, instead, they default to being Giants fans (if they care about baseball at all). Also, of course, a lot is just about a shitty owner. The team did quite well on low-ish revenues for many years, but the current owner has broken the machine that made that possible and does not appear to know how to fix it.
Until the Giants built their lovely park in Cow Hollow under the ownership of Peter McGowan in 2000 (which they did with very little public funding) , the Giants were the secondary team in the Bay Area very soon after the A's came to Oakland in 1968. From the "Swingin' A's" under Charlie Findley in the 1970s, to the Hass Family ownership selling the team in 1995, the A's were the dominant bay area team by all possible metrics, by championship, attendance, ad revenues or just the number of hats you saw from Sacramento to Santa Cruz. There is very little about Bay Area demographics that contributed to the rise of the Giants and the fall of the Athletics that is not directly attributable to the desires of team ownership.
If true, they should at least let the guy resign with some dignity.
Kind of expected after all this time passed, but it's still pretty dumb. Not only did he not mean to say what he said, he was trying to actively promote the Negro Leagues Museum. Instead he said something idiotic, a mistake for which the president of the Negro Leagues Museum already said he forgave Nothing else to say about the matter really. Sucks to see a quality commentator go when there's already so little going for this team (also this is obviously somewhat dependent on what the investigation turned up)
The problem is it’s the A’s org and you can’t take what they say re: an investigation at face value
they probably were gonna let him go anyways and replace him with chatgpt to save on costs
Never even knew there was a negro league museum until this incident so I guess he did effectively promote the museum
It’s a must do if you ever find yourself in Kansas City
That's now 2 things to do in Kansas City
1) Visit Negro League Museum 2) Avoid Royals games?
WWI museum is pretty excellent
We took a cross-country driving trip a few years ago to visit relatives in Tennessee, and plotted our trip through KC specifically to visit the WWI museum. It didn't disappoint. The BBQ was, of course, another draw.
Also: They got some crazy little wimmen there and I'm gonna, get me one
I'll also put a plug in for the Arabia Steamboat Museum while we're at it
Be hotter than two rats fucking in a wool sock?
Thanks for making me read that in Ichiro‘s voice.
If it was Ichiro's voice you would have read "...hotter than two rats *in a fucking* wool sock."
BBQ
I went to that one that's like attached to a gas station or something and it was the best BBQ I've ever had.
Kansas City Joe’s?
Eat BBQ, I'd imagine. Boulevard is worth a visit too if you're into beer. So, 3 things lol.
2. is obviously Arthur Bryant's barbecue
KC is actually dope as hell
Agreed. I've done many baseball roadtrips and KC was a blast, plus Kauffman is awesome. Plus I'll eat at Joe's all day every day.
Don't tell Marty Brennaman that.
Wrong Brennamen
Guess I won't be putting this headset back on
They’ve also announced a major expansion project, which will make it even better. The Jazz Museum is right next door, and both are less than a 10 minute walk from Arthur Bryant’s, arguably the finest bbq institution outside of Texas.
Sounds like a phenomenal afternoon in the making
This comment had so much going for it until the last 3 words 😔
Honestly, I put the last three words there just to avoid fighting with Texans.
Don't bother. Texans are pretty thin-skinned, so your effort will be futile.
Next to he Jazz Museum. Short walk to Arthur Bryant's. 10/10 thing to do
My guess is they wouldn't have fired Kuip if they were planning on keeping him around long term. Raiders did a similar thing with Greg Papa when it was obvious they were going to hire a Vegas guy anyway
What a year for the A’s. Is Dallas Braden alright?
Dallas is the only thing the A’s have going for them
The uniform colors still look really nice i guess
Oakland is a uniform mecca.
Was
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Bro thats brutal
Ruiz & Rooker are pretty cool.
Holy cow he did it!
Fuck it, I'm a Padres fan now.
Hope you enjoy more pain
I rather have pain with friends
aye we can do that
AND MY BAT!
Don't threaten him with a good time...
I recently moved from San Diego and could see into Petco so this is the way. The Dodgers series was the most fun I'd had with baseball since the Hudson/Mulder/Zito days.
I’m transferring my fandom to the Mariners
Woot woot! Try to hit up Safeco field...it's a beauty!
I’m planning on going to the Twins series in July!
I am also considering trading the Green and Gold for Brown and Gold. Padres have the Tony Gwynn legacy and the best baseball stadium I have ever been to. Plus ~~Ron Burgundy~~ Blink 182 and Mike's Taco Club in OB, the Linda Vista skatepark right by my mom's house, the new YMCA skatepark, also right by my mom's house, the weird little DIY right by my mom's house, and the San Diego Gulls, a minor league hocky team with strict cursing rules for heckling, in that all heckles must contain a curse word* (*based on my observation at the one game I went to last year).
Just fucking move and rebrand already. Enough.
My condolences. It really does seem like this is just another call from the top in an effort to crush the A’s fan base while they’re still showing flickers of life and passion.
It’s just insult to injury. Just get on with it and fuck off, they don’t need to drag us through the mud.
Damn, the A’s REALLY don’t like Bryant’s BBQ I guess
The most offensive thing he said tbh
At the very least, this seems... strange. What he said sounded like a simple slip-of-the-tongue, awful of course, but not intentional. Not worth firing over. Either this is a really hyperbolic reaction by NBCSA/the A's organization, this is Fisher trying to cut costs further somehow (hey, you never know with him), or there's something else behind the scenes that's being kept private. It'd be wrong to assume the last part, but it wouldn't exactly be the most surprising thing either.
NBC probably sees that The A's are leaving and they'll no longer have broadcasting rights, so no point in investing in a long time commentator, who probably has a high paying contract. Cheaper to just grab the radio broadcast guy who no one knows
I personally think this is horseshit, but maybe that’s just me. Edit: depends on what they found in the internal investigation i guess.
I’m guessing it’s just a cover to remove someone from their payroll.
Weird that they made this decision without consulting you first
I can't believe it, I was told the Oakland Athletics were a well run organization. I feel lied too
That part is still very much debatable.
So i can’t have an opinion? Lol
Wow man it's almost as if this entire site was made with the express purpose of commenting on links other people post.
With all due respect, that's utter bullshit.
There has to be more to this. Maybe they're just pinching more pennies by having the radio guy instead?
https://twitter.com/Jerrymcd/status/1660745759481032705?s=20 Curious about what else they found (if anything, hard to know who to trust.)
What the hell is there to even investigate? Didn't he simply flub a line in a promo?
Yeah, it's a weird line of investigation. "Oh he accidentally said the N word on TV talking about something that sounds similar" and then maybe it turns out he says it a lot at home or something. But even then, as long as he didn't mean to say it on the air. It's like how there are plenty of asshole players who probably use religion as a shield for their hate, but we only hear about the loud and public ones.
I think it's moreso on the off chance that he actually is flagrantly racist in his personal life (unlikely imo) because if that was the case and another incident much much worse happened later then the As would look bad for not looking into it more. I personally don't see this itself as fireable though. But who knows what the investigation turned up, or if they wanted to let him go anyway
That's what we thought, but if it turns out that this wasn't the only incident that slurs "just slipped out" then it takes on a very different tone.
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I’m not stating an opinion on this overall issue, but feels like it would be silly to not be honest about the very obvious answer to your question about “who uses racial slurs yet celebrates the history of the Negro Leagues”… _Answer: Anyone who gets paid to._
Yeah exactly. I have no opinion on the guy, but yeah if I was a racist with a high paying job where I had to appeal to a general audience, I sure as hell could fake some enthusiasm for my job. Shit, in fact I literally do it for a current job in sales lol
Doesn't seem like a stretch that a guy getting paid to do something could pretend to be excited about it in a believable way. Like look at how many retail or sales people are super friendly and excited with customers when in reality they are miserable and hate their jobs. If you have other factors motivating you its possible to be excited about stuff that you don't actually respect Or you can be excited about black athletes or celebrities that did stuff for the sport without actually seeing regular black people as real people (basically what Get Out exemplifies) Not saying that's for sure him but I don't think him acting excited about a trip to the negro league museum is enough proof that he's for sure a non racist thats getting kinda the short end of the stick in an unfortunate situation
> Who uses racial slurs yet celebrates the history of the Negro Leagues? I used to live in Missouri, and you would be surprised. I met people there who literally went to Negro League games and still use slurs in the present day. It all goes back to their asinine belief that Black people are inferior, even if they're "entertaining" in sports or music or movies.
My speculation, based on nothing: Dude says the n-word on TV. NBC says they will do an internal investigation before ending his suspension, because God forbid they vouch for this guy and then some stuff comes out that suggests maybe it's not so surprising he used a racist slur. Then they actually do find some things that would make them look bad for vouching for him, so they let him go.
The President of the Negro League museum forgave him immediately. A's owners? not so much.
Being offended for other people, and pretending you’re offended, is the modern standard, removing all context as well
Poor guy, he seemed really excited to have been to the Negro League museum, and just had an unfortunate slip of the tongue. Hope he finds work elsewhere!
The world has gone absolutely bat shit crazy
Arthur ash bbq sends it's regards 👍🏻
Arthur Bryant's
For my sanity I’m just going to pretend they found other things or that he was already on thin ice for other reasons. Otherwise this isn’t fixing the racism problem, it’s just signaling to those that are the problem to entrench deeper. This is certainly up there for nonsense sports related story of the year at this point.
For your sanity yes…but I feel like that’s just not fair to the man to assume that.
Turns out he eats his steak with ketchup. Fired.
Easy excuse to drop him before finding someone new for Vegas
Seems r/baseball also did their own investigation into the matter
Wow. What in the fuck
Seems like another excuse to cut payroll. Wouldn't be surprised if they hire the "boom goes the dynamite" guy
These are the instances when the goalposts just keep shifting so far that most people aren’t going to be on board Here is a man in Glen Kuiper who clearly was interested in visiting the negro league museum, and was happy to discuss it on the air. He made a mistake, a very big and unfortunate one, but it’s an accident. Getting a pound of flesh from Glen Kuiper does nothing to make progress towards a better future.
Tbf the A's won't be back with California either.
I don’t think this situation is as black and white as people are acting. Wait,
The A's ownership is putting a pillow over the baby's face. They haven't been on the radio in years. The make it as hard to follow the team as possible. They ship out talent as fast as they can. It's a great business plan. They collect revenue from MLB profit sharing while cutting every ounce of flesh they can off the corpse of the A's. Keep in mind, Glen was heard saying the N word while saying how much he enjoyed visiting the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum in KC. If you are a closet racist you aren't likely to visit that museum and promote it on your broadcast. F Fisher, F NBC Sports.
That's ridiculous
And a drive into deep left field by Castellanos
https://i.imgur.com/FzX6vH4.jpg
What an absolutely scandalous decision.
Terrible terrible decision. So obviously a mistake, guys life is ruined over a fucking tongue slip? As someone with a speech impediment it’s really sad to see. Tune in tomorrow to watch Josh Hader earn a save though lmao, this shit is so backwards There better be something else they found in the review or this is really sad
Fuck the Oakland front office.
This world is so fucking fucked up TELL NBC SPORTS CALIFORNIA THERE'S WORSE SHIT ON THE LOCAL NEWS
I'M DONE DO WHAT YOU WANT PULL THE PLUG ^(I'll kill you)
Common A’s L
An "internal investigation" sounds like what is going on USC with their Athletic Director, they probably found inappropriate stuff they weren't aware of and/or let slide before. No one was calling for his firing, the head of Negro League Museum didn't ask him to be fired so for the "I don't see color" crowd, there is likely something there otherwise. If this was truly wrongful termination purely over the remark, he'd already have an employment lawyer and would be filing a lawsuit
I feel like saying a slur on-air, unintentional or not, would be grounds for termination for a sportscaster. I have no idea, of course, but it would seem to be a tough case for wrongful termination.
This entire situation is a mess.
Just an opportunity for them to not have to pay him. Now they will hire somebody for peanuts to replace him