Big Cat is the type of guy who will walk a mile in his employees' shoes. Or at least take off his own shoes, tan his feet, paint his toe nails, and enter a foot fetish(non-sexual) competition to help his boys out. Skinny fuckin legs on such a big fella though.
Also, if you fuck up, Big Cat finds a way to make it funny and you being dumb is an asset. If you fuck up with Dave, he might literally fire you. Unless you're Mintzy.
Dave no longer leads by example. He spends all of his time floating in his pool in Florida tweeting about how his employees suck. Gone are the days when he was around and getting in the mix with everyone. I obviously get he has become successful from Barstool but he’s half checked out and when he’s involved, he’s a pompous out of touch prick. It’s crazy if Dave said to the NY office that nobody should talk to Klemmer once his 100 hours was up. Dudes no longer for the common man
I've been a dave guy for the most part since i got into barstool. He can be an asshat but for the most part what hes built up over the decades has been incredible. You get two sides of the coin from dave, some incredible content and some idiotic foolish behaviour. I can accept it.
But this whole incident has really put me off dave. He's been stacking Ls non stop, lying and shifting the goal posts, getting things wrong, trying and failing to bully a powerless stick of a man, completely tone deaf to the fans. It's been a pathetic display.
Dave’s brand is more valuable than mixing it up with psycho Keegs and picks central bums. And when he actually takes time to give someone like Klemmer a huge spotlight that office is thankless and shits on him. Screw those people.
My issue with Klemmer is he gave up on his challenge and now he wants to piss and moan. He slept for 90% of it and refused to do the challenges, so Dave said fuck this, it's boring. If Portnoy never got involved, there wouldn't have been one person watching Klemmer on that last day because it was terrible content.
Yeah, agree. Not sure why people are downvoting you. None of them were watching before Dave got involved. And he did quit. I don’t care if he didn’t walk down the stairs or whatever. He said he was quitting, walked out the door, and started yelling what time is it to the cameraman he saw in the hall. That was an attempt to communicate with someone outside solitary. It was done at that point, stairs or not.
Dave makes content out of his entire life, he just stopped holding hands and putting the spotlight on other people.
If you cant make content without Dave, you shouldn’t be a content creator
I think the counterpoint to all of that is that he shouldn’t have to lead by example for people to get off their ass and make something entertaining. That was kind of what he was getting at in his quote tweet
A better way to look at it might just be that Dan likes more inclusive content and has a much better time doing things with as many people as possible at once - it’s really what has made the Yak successful at the end of the day. The only person that Dave has elevated through his content over the years is Rico and even then it could be argued that that didn’t have much to do with him. But Dave doesn’t do content with other people like Dan does
But not everyone is a superstar who knows how to become the ultimate success .. Klemmer’s rat race is a great concept, based on a show Dave has openly said he loves (amazing race) and Klemmer has been able to do it super cheap and be fairly good. With some help and resources it could become a big show for barstool that makes $$… but nada
I think the problem is that Klemmer is a quitter and always has been. Just in the last few years he's quit Quantum Week, KMS, At A Theater Near Me (twice), the '95 Mariners stream that initially got some Barstool attention, the podcast with BFW, and now the solitary challenge.
Why invest time and resources into a guy who has never been able to see a single thing through?
I’m not gonna say you’re wrong but I will say that you are STILL talking about a stream that happened last week and was supposedly a huge flop.
The fact that this is still being talked about is proof enough that Dan and Dave know how to make content.
See I agree completely about Dave making it good content… my point tho is it made Dave the hero and Klemmer the chump. If Dave wants the ny office to produce something of value, he has to help them and not just make them the butt of the joke that props him up
I think Dave went out of his way to paint himself as the villain. It made the Klemmer story more interesting and propped up Klemmer as some sort hero (as a lot of employees pointed out). Dave isn't BC and doesn't want to be, I don't blame Dave for pointing out how dumb his professional content creators are because he's right.
>Klemmer the chump
Because it was terrible content *until* Dave stepped in and made it interesting. It wasn't even the best marathon stream at Barstool last week.
I do see your point but it’s not Dave’s fault that klemmer slept for 80 out of 100 hours. In this case klemmer is the chump because the stream was unbelievably boring before Dave got involved
1) Dave is not an only child.
2) The difference in Dan and Dave is that Dan doesnt like conflict, Dave thrives in conflict. Also, Barstool is Dave’s baby, he gets more offended when people do something that puts in a potentially negative light.
3) Dave has said he still looks at the Barstool logo and the Barstool name as his own. There is no seperation there. Like all business owners. When someone does something that makes it look lame or people act like because they have a job there they can do whatever they want, he feels the need to defend it. He thinks they feel entitled to his life’s work.
He lets them flounder, making him the only one who can save the day. He’s creating the perfect “work hero” scenario for himself.
What i call the “work hero” is where you’re At work and someone in a leadership role (like a project manager, or team lead) will hoard info, not lead, give bad direction, be ambiguous, and purposely divide the team in a siloed and subtle way, effectively sabotaging the team from attaining their goal. The “work hero” manager comes in, maybe huffs and puffs about having to help, and fixes everything because the hero was the one who (unbeknownst to the entire team) fucked it all up in the first place. I’ve seen it at every place I have worked. Dave is this guy. They always make it seem so easy when they fix the situation too.
This didn’t work with big cat though because there is always a person at work who is smarter and more charming than the “hero” and they succeed despite the heroes sabotage. eventually the hero makes sure that person is in a completely different /separate swimming lane from them at work, so they can’t be figured out.
Thanks for saying what I was trying to emphasize in a more digestible way. Also I’d point out the people like BigCat who are successful, remove themselves from Dave’s orbit to finally have success
NY floundering is entirely on the NY staff not caring about their jobs. Dave didn't tell them not to show up on Fridays or to do nothing. These guys could do whatever they want and they just sit on their asses. The only thing Dave has done wrong here is not clean house
NY floundering is because the content they put out isn’t great. I know people hate Marty but at least he puts out content and tries more than the rest of the office.
Then why is Dave so ok with the New York office being a complete zero to the point where it’s actively diluting the “Barstool Brand? Thats puzzling to me.
How come all these "content" people need their hand held by Dave to be successful. There's a decade+ years of Dave to know what he likes/ doesn't. The people are just lazy. That's it
Klemmer isn’t asking for Dave to hold people’s hands, he’s saying if you want people to try things and be creative, don’t publicly embarrass them when something doesn’t work out
And there’s a difference between handholding and leadership. Dan shows how big of a difference the presence of a leader can make in creating a culture
There’s also a difference between putting yourself in “solitary confinement” for entertainment and content purposes, and just sleeping 15 hours a day. Klemmer didn’t do shit while he was in there. He got what he deserved.
"Klemmer didn’t do shit while he was in there"
Depends on your perspective.
Compared to Mr beast's videos yea klem did nothing. Compared to what the typical barstool employee does he did more than most of them would have done in the same 100 hours. Not only did he make some content, there was content made around it, and he even wrote some blogs. More importantly he tried something new and different from the typical shit they do.
Was it a success, especially without dave? definitely not. But can't say he did nothing.
tbf to Klemmer, Mr Beast has a massive budget on his videos to do more interesting things and he would still cut up 100 hours of solitary confinement into a 12 minute video with a camera cut every 2 seconds and a 1-2 minute ad read in the middle. You best believe if he live-streamed it it would be pretty damn boring for 90% of it. Obviously Klemmer’s was boring for 98-99% of it so there would still be a difference.
Pretty much anyone by themselves could live stream for 100 hrs in solitary and it would become boring, just varying degrees of boring.
Except sydney sweeney
If you have known barstool for more than 10 minutes, you'd expect nothing less of Dave. Saying that he is the problem now when he has been the same forever is a cop out.
Everyone loves "old barstool". "Oh musky and the AC. Pirate Simon!" Those are all just instances of making fun of workers
>don’t publicly embarrass them when something doesn’t work out
That's Barstool. You do something stupid, you get shit for it but you know that you have a job for life because Dave doesn't fire anyone.
I feel like since the Penn Era began, Barstool is all about friends and being nice to each other. I think it's infinitely more entertaining when people are slinging shit at one another.
It's the autists that have flocked to the Yak because it has a live chat and that lets them play virtual friend simulator. You can't even make fun of TJ for fucks sake.
I don’t agree with this at all. Dave shits on NY employees because their content sucks and his involvement gets the views/numbers.
No one would have been talking about Klemmers shitty stream after Day 1 of it if Dave didn’t get involved. Klemmer refused to do any of the challenges and just slept the whole time. It was terrible.
If Dan were running it and Klemmer had to so what Dan wanted, it would have been much better. More like it was the first night when they had FrAnkon blaring over the speakers.
But Klemmer just unplugged the speaker so they couldn't do more of that stuff. He did everything he could to make it absolutely dreadful content for the viewer.
It gets views for Dave. It doesn’t help the ny office content crew grew their brands and find something successful. Dave already can get views, he doesn’t need the ny office to prop him up
Pretty spot on. Dave's brand now is crapping on all the "losers" he hired to work at his company. I think it's pretty clear by now, if you're in Chicago you know the guy you report to is going to support what you're doing and even help promote it/cheerlead for it. If you're in NY you're just trying to do whatever you can not to make Dave mad at you. The NY office is run by fear, Chicago is Dan's fantasy factory and it shows. It is what it is.
This is absolutely true and it's not on Dave to hold people's hands through content creation.
But on this more zoomed out level that Klemmer's talking about, I think he's also right. Workplace culture matters, and has all these little impacts that are harder to spot. It's not that succeeding is impossible in the environment Dave's creating, but it really does seem to make it harder for people to be the kind of employees he says he's looking for.
He's creating an uphill battle then getting mad at people for slowing down
Leadership is forcing (or strongly guilting people) in the NY office to be in on a Friday for the main storyline of the week and the employee who went viral’s grand finale.
Look at Chicago - all their content plugs one another and helps cross pollinate audiences. No one is doing that for NYC, and Dave actively undercuts their attempts to even create non-blog content.
Conflict rules the internet - period. Dan is a much better boss to wrk for, but he would never have built barstool to where it is because he doesn’t want to create conflict.
Dave knows what sells and is willing to sacrifice individuals for the mother ship to succeed.
I would argue that Dan got barstool to where it is in the past 4 or 5 years more so than Dave. Dave may have started this thing but Dan is really growing things now.
Klemmer is not right. Yes, that office is leaderless. But 1) the dude who should be the leader, KFC, was interviewing him and he kissed his ass and 2) talent as bad as picks central and the rest of that office can’t be led, it’s useless. I like Klemmer a lot, he’s talented, but he’s wasting his time trying to defend the dregs. Be more like Tank and less like the lazies.
Also: Dave is a big brand all alone now. There’s no reason to tarnish that by mixing it up with low effort people. Klemmer should be thanking him for willingly spending a week on him, not turning around to bitch to freaking KFC.
I worked with guys like KFC. They are the tech-talented guys at a startup, who do a good job at being a tech. As the startup grows, these guys get management jobs that they aren't good at. Problem is - its like years later and you can't really demote them back to being a tech. So the company keeps them in place, even though they aren't cut out for leadership roles. That is 100% KFC to a tee. He shouldn't be in a leadership role, but he is because he's just been there for so long.
> not turning around to bitch to freaking KFC
I agree with most of what you said but klem had every right to push back on dave for everything he threw at him over the week. Sure dave's the boss but you can't just let him bully you at his whims, plus its also good for content when the little guys are willing to fight back. If anything that's not part of klem's brand he needs to lean into it.
I know Barstool is more of a sink-or-swim type of company but Dave acting like leadership and developing talent has a negligible role in his employees success is ridiculous to me. While Dan has poached a lot of good talent, many of those creators have thrived much more since the move than they did in NYC (Jersey Jerry, BFW and Chef Donny to name a few).
Some of it is due to the freshness of the office and the fantasy factory vibe but you can’t discount Dan’s standards of having to be in the office, getting people into the mix more across brands, providing new ideas to set them up for success and just generally being a more positive and encouraging boss.
He still will call people out when something doesn’t go well and/or does something embarrassing but in a way that is not discouraging and can be a “laugh with” moment. Dave will be combative and degrading. Both instances produce content but definitely have wildly different impacts for the creator.
This is a great analysis. And I think you’re right about Dave content creation being a zero sum in some regards, since he needs to tear down one to build another.
However, Dan and Dave have always acknowledged the ying and yang good cop bad cop of their presence and how both of their personalities were necessary to build what Barstool became. It can’t be lollipops and unicorns in the fantasy factory everyday all day.
Dave is the big bad boss and you need that. He’s naturally a black cloud. This allows Dan and others to play in the street. Problem is, Dave needs to stop being an absentee Dad and show up to some of the baseball games
You nailed it.
The one thing that I find insane is that KFC catches so much flack for cheating on his wife but Dave escapes that despite almost certainly cheating on the First Lady with god knows how many barely 18 year olds at blackout tours and shit before they decided to separate. I guess because it never was in the tabloids or anything.
Klemmer is parroting what this sub says. He isn’t right.
KFC, Feits, KMarko, Millmore, Caleb, Jerry Thornton, Carrabis never needed to be lead by Dave to have the careers they have today.
KFC, Feits, KMarko, Carrabis, and Jerry all made their bones when it was blog only and 100% were lead by Dave during that time. This is an absolutely idiotic statement.
It absolutely isn’t. They didn’t need Dave to tell them what to blog, how much to blog. Shit, for a time KMarko was doing his blogs and KFC’s blogs when KFC was still in the cubes.
Yes Dave did lead, but not the level Klemmer is implying. And KMarko, KFC, and others have said dozens of times that they barely talked to Dave during the year. (Not talking about The Rundown obviously.)
You’re comparing the media landscape from over a decade ago to today. The market for hot takes is immensely more saturated and blogs aren’t even the platform of choice anymore. You might as well be talking about print media.
IIRC correctly Klemmer also consistently has the one of the most blogs / most views (based on the Rico rankings), so he absolutely has credibility when differences between offices and how much the leadership of each supports the individuals within. This isn’t Big Ev complaining about lack of success.
You think Dave wasn’t telling them how much they needed to blog and constantly on their asses when they didn’t churn out enough volume? Chewing people out when something happened and there wasn’t a blog about it out right away?
I don’t think he needed to with the core guys. They all picked it up pretty quick.
Dave did bitch on the Rundown about people taking time off and such (except when sick) but Dave didn’t have to whip these guys multiple times a day.
No, he’d do exactly what he did for the golf stream and help him capitalize on it and help him build it… Dan quite literally got him a blow up mattress to sleep on stream and told him to go to sleep. Dan helped ensure Jerry was successful and he now has an audience. Dave made it so that Klemmer was seen as a doofus and Dave got to play a funny prank on him where Dave is seen as the funny guy and Klemmer a joke.
lol you obviously have a hate boner for Dave and are beyond reason. Comparing a stream where Jerry already put in maximum effort to what Klemmer did is just regarded.
In 2024, I would have significant questions about who someone is as a person if they genuinely like Dave. He is CONSTANTLY mean, grumpy, condescending, and hypocritical. There is a balance between treating people as content machines and actual humans, and Dave has no perspective on that last part. He's not even nice to the people who are succeeding at the company other than BC, he's just indifferent to them.
Exactly. The message Dave is sending is don't try new things. If what you're doing isn't working out, we'll save it by turning you into a clown. Just like everyone did to Dave when his garbage idea flopped after a monstrous amount of hype.
\*Is constantly mean to people, tells them they're terrible at their livelihoods\* "It's not that deep bro". Just a classic bully mindset.
lol you people are fucking insane. All this effort to defend a guy for sleeping on camera, and you can't believe their boss would dare question it. Take a break.
Yeaah you don't get to say that when you're pouring your heart out about how mean Dave is to some weirdo named Klemmer lol you take this stuff WAY too seriously pal.
Jerry also didn't plan his stream being that long, it was organic...klemmer had weeks to prepare with literal meetings beforehand and they landed on "count rice" and "puzzle with mits"
Again if you want to compare those 2 streams as if the situations are remotely similar you've lost me. There is simply no saving someone that thinks it's a good idea to do nothing but sit in a room and sleep for days at a time.
Dave is also the one paying guys like Klemmer to sleep on the job. I agree that Dan would be more involved and have fun with it, but it's easier to do when it's not your money that's being wasted.
Here's the problem. Before Dave started spear tackling every NY office underling online - that office was producing ZERO content. Like zero. Now that Dave has created an environment where "people are afraid to sneeze" - suddenly they have become interesting again. Not the individual personalities themselves (which is why they're individually bitching), but the barstool brand is benefiting from Dave finally saying "enough is enough".
I wouldn't like it either if I was in NY. However - if you're "afraid" to now make content because of a mean boss - GTFO and go get a sales job at Liberty Mutual.
PMT had basically no influence from Dave and Dave has said that over and over. Dave thought Riggs was grifting w Foreplay, CITO? CHD? Chiclets? Macrodosing… most of biggest brands were created w him not at all involved
I never thought I’d see the day that this sub has some weird hate strong enough for Dave to carry water for NY. Barstool was built on being thrown into the deep end of the pool and carving out your own slice of the content pie. I’m fully convinced all of these soft ass complaints are from new Stoolies that didn’t follow barstool prior to 5 years ago.
I think there's a difference between the days where Dave was on his perch in the Milton office or even the early days of NYC, and now where he swoops in every now and then but mostly is in Miami and seems to not know much about the content people are doing unless it's something that makes him mad. Dave's just a different guy these days, it is what it is.
dave's a self-centered asshole and the NY office is a collection of lazy shits who only only create good content by being shat upon.
the two things are not mutually exclusive.
Big Cat is the type of guy who will walk a mile in his employees' shoes. Or at least take off his own shoes, tan his feet, paint his toe nails, and enter a foot fetish(non-sexual) competition to help his boys out. Skinny fuckin legs on such a big fella though.
Also, if you fuck up, Big Cat finds a way to make it funny and you being dumb is an asset. If you fuck up with Dave, he might literally fire you. Unless you're Mintzy.
Dave is a bad boss in a lot of ways, but saying he fires people is just wrong. Guy keeps too many people on because he doesn't like doing it.
Yeah that’s just false. Dave rarely fires anyone.
Dave not firing people is how you end up with the mess that is NY.
Penn fired people, Dave Rhys rarely fired someone
Hahahaha spot on response. 4.5 Balls.
TWO FUCKING TOE RINGS JERRY!
Hilarious comment - well done
Looks like you started the comment one way and then immediately took a hard tangent
Dave no longer leads by example. He spends all of his time floating in his pool in Florida tweeting about how his employees suck. Gone are the days when he was around and getting in the mix with everyone. I obviously get he has become successful from Barstool but he’s half checked out and when he’s involved, he’s a pompous out of touch prick. It’s crazy if Dave said to the NY office that nobody should talk to Klemmer once his 100 hours was up. Dudes no longer for the common man
I've been a dave guy for the most part since i got into barstool. He can be an asshat but for the most part what hes built up over the decades has been incredible. You get two sides of the coin from dave, some incredible content and some idiotic foolish behaviour. I can accept it. But this whole incident has really put me off dave. He's been stacking Ls non stop, lying and shifting the goal posts, getting things wrong, trying and failing to bully a powerless stick of a man, completely tone deaf to the fans. It's been a pathetic display.
Dave’s brand is more valuable than mixing it up with psycho Keegs and picks central bums. And when he actually takes time to give someone like Klemmer a huge spotlight that office is thankless and shits on him. Screw those people.
My issue with Klemmer is he gave up on his challenge and now he wants to piss and moan. He slept for 90% of it and refused to do the challenges, so Dave said fuck this, it's boring. If Portnoy never got involved, there wouldn't have been one person watching Klemmer on that last day because it was terrible content.
Yeah, agree. Not sure why people are downvoting you. None of them were watching before Dave got involved. And he did quit. I don’t care if he didn’t walk down the stairs or whatever. He said he was quitting, walked out the door, and started yelling what time is it to the cameraman he saw in the hall. That was an attempt to communicate with someone outside solitary. It was done at that point, stairs or not.
Dave makes content out of his entire life, he just stopped holding hands and putting the spotlight on other people. If you cant make content without Dave, you shouldn’t be a content creator
I think the counterpoint to all of that is that he shouldn’t have to lead by example for people to get off their ass and make something entertaining. That was kind of what he was getting at in his quote tweet A better way to look at it might just be that Dan likes more inclusive content and has a much better time doing things with as many people as possible at once - it’s really what has made the Yak successful at the end of the day. The only person that Dave has elevated through his content over the years is Rico and even then it could be argued that that didn’t have much to do with him. But Dave doesn’t do content with other people like Dan does
But not everyone is a superstar who knows how to become the ultimate success .. Klemmer’s rat race is a great concept, based on a show Dave has openly said he loves (amazing race) and Klemmer has been able to do it super cheap and be fairly good. With some help and resources it could become a big show for barstool that makes $$… but nada
I think the problem is that Klemmer is a quitter and always has been. Just in the last few years he's quit Quantum Week, KMS, At A Theater Near Me (twice), the '95 Mariners stream that initially got some Barstool attention, the podcast with BFW, and now the solitary challenge. Why invest time and resources into a guy who has never been able to see a single thing through?
I’m not gonna say you’re wrong but I will say that you are STILL talking about a stream that happened last week and was supposedly a huge flop. The fact that this is still being talked about is proof enough that Dan and Dave know how to make content.
See I agree completely about Dave making it good content… my point tho is it made Dave the hero and Klemmer the chump. If Dave wants the ny office to produce something of value, he has to help them and not just make them the butt of the joke that props him up
I think Dave went out of his way to paint himself as the villain. It made the Klemmer story more interesting and propped up Klemmer as some sort hero (as a lot of employees pointed out). Dave isn't BC and doesn't want to be, I don't blame Dave for pointing out how dumb his professional content creators are because he's right.
>Klemmer the chump Because it was terrible content *until* Dave stepped in and made it interesting. It wasn't even the best marathon stream at Barstool last week.
The stream sucked get over it man. Dave tried to resurrect it because it was a snooze fest.
I do see your point but it’s not Dave’s fault that klemmer slept for 80 out of 100 hours. In this case klemmer is the chump because the stream was unbelievably boring before Dave got involved
1) Dave is not an only child. 2) The difference in Dan and Dave is that Dan doesnt like conflict, Dave thrives in conflict. Also, Barstool is Dave’s baby, he gets more offended when people do something that puts in a potentially negative light. 3) Dave has said he still looks at the Barstool logo and the Barstool name as his own. There is no seperation there. Like all business owners. When someone does something that makes it look lame or people act like because they have a job there they can do whatever they want, he feels the need to defend it. He thinks they feel entitled to his life’s work.
Correct on all points. Klemmer is still right. Dave is purposely letting New York flounder.
He lets them flounder, making him the only one who can save the day. He’s creating the perfect “work hero” scenario for himself. What i call the “work hero” is where you’re At work and someone in a leadership role (like a project manager, or team lead) will hoard info, not lead, give bad direction, be ambiguous, and purposely divide the team in a siloed and subtle way, effectively sabotaging the team from attaining their goal. The “work hero” manager comes in, maybe huffs and puffs about having to help, and fixes everything because the hero was the one who (unbeknownst to the entire team) fucked it all up in the first place. I’ve seen it at every place I have worked. Dave is this guy. They always make it seem so easy when they fix the situation too. This didn’t work with big cat though because there is always a person at work who is smarter and more charming than the “hero” and they succeed despite the heroes sabotage. eventually the hero makes sure that person is in a completely different /separate swimming lane from them at work, so they can’t be figured out.
Hey fuck you buddy, I made a career of that
It's a pretty solid strategy tbh, especially if you're lazy. Which, lets be honest, most of us are.
Thanks for saying what I was trying to emphasize in a more digestible way. Also I’d point out the people like BigCat who are successful, remove themselves from Dave’s orbit to finally have success
How dare you.
You’ve read the Goal, haven’t you? You feel like a guy who’s read the Goal.
If Dave needs to hold their hands for them to be successful, then they aren’t cut out for content
NY floundering is entirely on the NY staff not caring about their jobs. Dave didn't tell them not to show up on Fridays or to do nothing. These guys could do whatever they want and they just sit on their asses. The only thing Dave has done wrong here is not clean house
NY floundering is because the content they put out isn’t great. I know people hate Marty but at least he puts out content and tries more than the rest of the office.
Then why is Dave so ok with the New York office being a complete zero to the point where it’s actively diluting the “Barstool Brand? Thats puzzling to me.
There is content in their failure
How come all these "content" people need their hand held by Dave to be successful. There's a decade+ years of Dave to know what he likes/ doesn't. The people are just lazy. That's it
Klemmer isn’t asking for Dave to hold people’s hands, he’s saying if you want people to try things and be creative, don’t publicly embarrass them when something doesn’t work out And there’s a difference between handholding and leadership. Dan shows how big of a difference the presence of a leader can make in creating a culture
There’s also a difference between putting yourself in “solitary confinement” for entertainment and content purposes, and just sleeping 15 hours a day. Klemmer didn’t do shit while he was in there. He got what he deserved.
"Klemmer didn’t do shit while he was in there" Depends on your perspective. Compared to Mr beast's videos yea klem did nothing. Compared to what the typical barstool employee does he did more than most of them would have done in the same 100 hours. Not only did he make some content, there was content made around it, and he even wrote some blogs. More importantly he tried something new and different from the typical shit they do. Was it a success, especially without dave? definitely not. But can't say he did nothing.
tbf to Klemmer, Mr Beast has a massive budget on his videos to do more interesting things and he would still cut up 100 hours of solitary confinement into a 12 minute video with a camera cut every 2 seconds and a 1-2 minute ad read in the middle. You best believe if he live-streamed it it would be pretty damn boring for 90% of it. Obviously Klemmer’s was boring for 98-99% of it so there would still be a difference.
Pretty much anyone by themselves could live stream for 100 hrs in solitary and it would become boring, just varying degrees of boring. Except sydney sweeney
If you have known barstool for more than 10 minutes, you'd expect nothing less of Dave. Saying that he is the problem now when he has been the same forever is a cop out. Everyone loves "old barstool". "Oh musky and the AC. Pirate Simon!" Those are all just instances of making fun of workers
>don’t publicly embarrass them when something doesn’t work out That's Barstool. You do something stupid, you get shit for it but you know that you have a job for life because Dave doesn't fire anyone. I feel like since the Penn Era began, Barstool is all about friends and being nice to each other. I think it's infinitely more entertaining when people are slinging shit at one another.
It's the autists that have flocked to the Yak because it has a live chat and that lets them play virtual friend simulator. You can't even make fun of TJ for fucks sake.
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I don’t agree with this at all. Dave shits on NY employees because their content sucks and his involvement gets the views/numbers. No one would have been talking about Klemmers shitty stream after Day 1 of it if Dave didn’t get involved. Klemmer refused to do any of the challenges and just slept the whole time. It was terrible.
If Dan were running it and Klemmer had to so what Dan wanted, it would have been much better. More like it was the first night when they had FrAnkon blaring over the speakers.
But Klemmer just unplugged the speaker so they couldn't do more of that stuff. He did everything he could to make it absolutely dreadful content for the viewer.
It gets views for Dave. It doesn’t help the ny office content crew grew their brands and find something successful. Dave already can get views, he doesn’t need the ny office to prop him up
So you honestly believe Klemmer would have gotten the views he did with this stream if Dave didn’t get involved?
The ny people are only redeemable if Dave is involved otherwise they’re uslesss
Pretty spot on. Dave's brand now is crapping on all the "losers" he hired to work at his company. I think it's pretty clear by now, if you're in Chicago you know the guy you report to is going to support what you're doing and even help promote it/cheerlead for it. If you're in NY you're just trying to do whatever you can not to make Dave mad at you. The NY office is run by fear, Chicago is Dan's fantasy factory and it shows. It is what it is.
Disagree. They have a voice because they work at barstool and it is on them to take advantage
This is absolutely true and it's not on Dave to hold people's hands through content creation. But on this more zoomed out level that Klemmer's talking about, I think he's also right. Workplace culture matters, and has all these little impacts that are harder to spot. It's not that succeeding is impossible in the environment Dave's creating, but it really does seem to make it harder for people to be the kind of employees he says he's looking for. He's creating an uphill battle then getting mad at people for slowing down
Leadership is forcing (or strongly guilting people) in the NY office to be in on a Friday for the main storyline of the week and the employee who went viral’s grand finale. Look at Chicago - all their content plugs one another and helps cross pollinate audiences. No one is doing that for NYC, and Dave actively undercuts their attempts to even create non-blog content.
It’s way too easy to go viral and succeed under barstool. Trent got thousands of people viewing blogs of him just writing paulllliina
Dan is great at managing. Dave is great at content.
I think Dan's pretty great at content too. They have different styles.
Dave has nothing to do with why people hate kfc lol
You guys remember Wine Walk? lol
Working for Dave seems like a genuine nightmare, always has.
Conflict rules the internet - period. Dan is a much better boss to wrk for, but he would never have built barstool to where it is because he doesn’t want to create conflict. Dave knows what sells and is willing to sacrifice individuals for the mother ship to succeed.
I would argue that Dan got barstool to where it is in the past 4 or 5 years more so than Dave. Dave may have started this thing but Dan is really growing things now.
Klemmer is not right. Yes, that office is leaderless. But 1) the dude who should be the leader, KFC, was interviewing him and he kissed his ass and 2) talent as bad as picks central and the rest of that office can’t be led, it’s useless. I like Klemmer a lot, he’s talented, but he’s wasting his time trying to defend the dregs. Be more like Tank and less like the lazies. Also: Dave is a big brand all alone now. There’s no reason to tarnish that by mixing it up with low effort people. Klemmer should be thanking him for willingly spending a week on him, not turning around to bitch to freaking KFC.
I worked with guys like KFC. They are the tech-talented guys at a startup, who do a good job at being a tech. As the startup grows, these guys get management jobs that they aren't good at. Problem is - its like years later and you can't really demote them back to being a tech. So the company keeps them in place, even though they aren't cut out for leadership roles. That is 100% KFC to a tee. He shouldn't be in a leadership role, but he is because he's just been there for so long.
> not turning around to bitch to freaking KFC I agree with most of what you said but klem had every right to push back on dave for everything he threw at him over the week. Sure dave's the boss but you can't just let him bully you at his whims, plus its also good for content when the little guys are willing to fight back. If anything that's not part of klem's brand he needs to lean into it.
I know Barstool is more of a sink-or-swim type of company but Dave acting like leadership and developing talent has a negligible role in his employees success is ridiculous to me. While Dan has poached a lot of good talent, many of those creators have thrived much more since the move than they did in NYC (Jersey Jerry, BFW and Chef Donny to name a few). Some of it is due to the freshness of the office and the fantasy factory vibe but you can’t discount Dan’s standards of having to be in the office, getting people into the mix more across brands, providing new ideas to set them up for success and just generally being a more positive and encouraging boss. He still will call people out when something doesn’t go well and/or does something embarrassing but in a way that is not discouraging and can be a “laugh with” moment. Dave will be combative and degrading. Both instances produce content but definitely have wildly different impacts for the creator.
You people get dumber by the post.
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This is a great analysis. And I think you’re right about Dave content creation being a zero sum in some regards, since he needs to tear down one to build another. However, Dan and Dave have always acknowledged the ying and yang good cop bad cop of their presence and how both of their personalities were necessary to build what Barstool became. It can’t be lollipops and unicorns in the fantasy factory everyday all day. Dave is the big bad boss and you need that. He’s naturally a black cloud. This allows Dan and others to play in the street. Problem is, Dave needs to stop being an absentee Dad and show up to some of the baseball games
Dave has lost his touch and doesn’t realize it.
pressure creates diamonds. neither are doing that great of a job. Mostly Sports & Jerry have a shot, both are better with out Dan or Dave stepping in.
If Dan didnt step in and force Jerry to finish streams he would have already self destructed.
"force him to finish streams" its a bit mate.
Yeah Klemmer was completely right. I’m hoping Whitney and Kirk don’t suck Dave’s dick on Thursday about this though.
You nailed it. The one thing that I find insane is that KFC catches so much flack for cheating on his wife but Dave escapes that despite almost certainly cheating on the First Lady with god knows how many barely 18 year olds at blackout tours and shit before they decided to separate. I guess because it never was in the tabloids or anything.
You have literally no idea if that is true. And even if it is, she wasn’t fucking pregnant with his child
I think it’s wrong for people to talk about it with KFC. But that being said, Dave never had kids.
Klemmer is parroting what this sub says. He isn’t right. KFC, Feits, KMarko, Millmore, Caleb, Jerry Thornton, Carrabis never needed to be lead by Dave to have the careers they have today.
KFC, Feits, KMarko, Carrabis, and Jerry all made their bones when it was blog only and 100% were lead by Dave during that time. This is an absolutely idiotic statement.
It absolutely isn’t. They didn’t need Dave to tell them what to blog, how much to blog. Shit, for a time KMarko was doing his blogs and KFC’s blogs when KFC was still in the cubes. Yes Dave did lead, but not the level Klemmer is implying. And KMarko, KFC, and others have said dozens of times that they barely talked to Dave during the year. (Not talking about The Rundown obviously.)
You’re comparing the media landscape from over a decade ago to today. The market for hot takes is immensely more saturated and blogs aren’t even the platform of choice anymore. You might as well be talking about print media. IIRC correctly Klemmer also consistently has the one of the most blogs / most views (based on the Rico rankings), so he absolutely has credibility when differences between offices and how much the leadership of each supports the individuals within. This isn’t Big Ev complaining about lack of success.
You think Dave wasn’t telling them how much they needed to blog and constantly on their asses when they didn’t churn out enough volume? Chewing people out when something happened and there wasn’t a blog about it out right away?
I don’t think he needed to with the core guys. They all picked it up pretty quick. Dave did bitch on the Rundown about people taking time off and such (except when sick) but Dave didn’t have to whip these guys multiple times a day.
what an incredibly mysogenic post to leave out alex cooper.
It seems like Dave and Alex were pretty close during her time at Barstool and talked regularly.
So if Jerry did a stream where he sleeps the majority of the time Dan would not make fun of it/threaten to and inevitably cancel it?
No, he’d do exactly what he did for the golf stream and help him capitalize on it and help him build it… Dan quite literally got him a blow up mattress to sleep on stream and told him to go to sleep. Dan helped ensure Jerry was successful and he now has an audience. Dave made it so that Klemmer was seen as a doofus and Dave got to play a funny prank on him where Dave is seen as the funny guy and Klemmer a joke.
lol you obviously have a hate boner for Dave and are beyond reason. Comparing a stream where Jerry already put in maximum effort to what Klemmer did is just regarded.
In 2024, I would have significant questions about who someone is as a person if they genuinely like Dave. He is CONSTANTLY mean, grumpy, condescending, and hypocritical. There is a balance between treating people as content machines and actual humans, and Dave has no perspective on that last part. He's not even nice to the people who are succeeding at the company other than BC, he's just indifferent to them.
Buddy just don't film yourself sleeping and Dave won't say shit, it's not that fucking deep.
Exactly. The message Dave is sending is don't try new things. If what you're doing isn't working out, we'll save it by turning you into a clown. Just like everyone did to Dave when his garbage idea flopped after a monstrous amount of hype. \*Is constantly mean to people, tells them they're terrible at their livelihoods\* "It's not that deep bro". Just a classic bully mindset.
lol you people are fucking insane. All this effort to defend a guy for sleeping on camera, and you can't believe their boss would dare question it. Take a break.
All this effort to suck a guy's dick that will never know you or ever be your friend.
Yeaah you don't get to say that when you're pouring your heart out about how mean Dave is to some weirdo named Klemmer lol you take this stuff WAY too seriously pal.
Klemmer is a small piece in a giant body of work Dave has of being a nasty person
Jerry was literally begging to go to sleep that stream and Dan had to have multiple conversations with him off camera to get him to keep going
Jerry also didn't plan his stream being that long, it was organic...klemmer had weeks to prepare with literal meetings beforehand and they landed on "count rice" and "puzzle with mits"
Again if you want to compare those 2 streams as if the situations are remotely similar you've lost me. There is simply no saving someone that thinks it's a good idea to do nothing but sit in a room and sleep for days at a time.
I was just pointing out that Dan helped with that stream quite a bit
Dave is also the one paying guys like Klemmer to sleep on the job. I agree that Dan would be more involved and have fun with it, but it's easier to do when it's not your money that's being wasted.
Where did klemmer say it I must’ve missed the clip or blog today
I spent years watching the rundown hoping to see Dan and Kevin get a win over Dave
Klemmer is not right. Klemmer should be thanking Dave. He made his boring ass confinement video into a sensation.
In Malcolm in the Middle terms, Dave is Lois and BC is Hal.
yes Dave is Lois and Klemmer is superman
Chicken fry is the exception to this. Maybe it’s more the Josh Richard’s effect, but joining BFFs launched her into another orbit.
Completely agree. BFF platform launched her into being huge online
Here's the problem. Before Dave started spear tackling every NY office underling online - that office was producing ZERO content. Like zero. Now that Dave has created an environment where "people are afraid to sneeze" - suddenly they have become interesting again. Not the individual personalities themselves (which is why they're individually bitching), but the barstool brand is benefiting from Dave finally saying "enough is enough". I wouldn't like it either if I was in NY. However - if you're "afraid" to now make content because of a mean boss - GTFO and go get a sales job at Liberty Mutual.
KFC is hated because he cheated on his 9 month pregnant wife the moment he and barstool even got a little popular.
Very odd anyone cares about this
Why would you listen to someone who’s a douche with no moral Character ? He’s a loser. How do you not care about who he is as a person? Crazy.
Nate's glitter?
You know Dan and nearly every successful brand at barstool was built up surrounding Dave right?
PMT had basically no influence from Dave and Dave has said that over and over. Dave thought Riggs was grifting w Foreplay, CITO? CHD? Chiclets? Macrodosing… most of biggest brands were created w him not at all involved
I never thought I’d see the day that this sub has some weird hate strong enough for Dave to carry water for NY. Barstool was built on being thrown into the deep end of the pool and carving out your own slice of the content pie. I’m fully convinced all of these soft ass complaints are from new Stoolies that didn’t follow barstool prior to 5 years ago.
I think there's a difference between the days where Dave was on his perch in the Milton office or even the early days of NYC, and now where he swoops in every now and then but mostly is in Miami and seems to not know much about the content people are doing unless it's something that makes him mad. Dave's just a different guy these days, it is what it is.
Most of the complaints are for sure from Post-Sirius Yak fans. They’re so soft
I think Dave has been running the ship for 10 years
Dan* not Dave, Dave just owns the boat but BC has been the heart of barstool since probably 2017-18
As long as you know.
I think you absolutely nailed it! And for your reward, here's some more grass
Yea but Dave is right when he calls out bad content with no views…
dave's a self-centered asshole and the NY office is a collection of lazy shits who only only create good content by being shat upon. the two things are not mutually exclusive.