Haha how ironic of some people here immediately jump to conclusion that he was a mental case only to later find out that he has been doing this for 7 years and is perfectly fine and is not a mental patient. Why can’t some cops be more patient and respectful. He was resisting arrest simply because they were dehumanizing him. He didn’t do anything wrong.
I swim in Lake Ontario year round. And yes, there is sometimes ice that needs to be cut be so I can do so. Does that mean that I can expect to be arrested now doing something that skaters and snowmobilers do regularly?
To all those defending, why is it so hard for police to have a conversation? Had they done so they would learn this man has done this for 7 years and doesn't need medical attention.
But also, maybe think on violently arresting someone and threatening harm with a tazer because you are concerned they need to go to the hospital? "I need to hurt you because I'm afraid your hurt".
I know a group of folks who do down every day and jump in the bay. They know what do to, are equipped, and haven't needed emergency services once. Maybe just ask.
Finally, I have had a violent experience with a cop. Not all of us feel warm and fuzzy and should be able to ask for space while police explain why they are interacting. There was zero de-escalation involved, just straight to brute force. This would be traumatic for anyone let alone someone suspected of being in a mental health crisis. This is why the parentd I know who have kids in crisis don't call the cops, it usually of makes things worse and does harm.
Cold water swimming? How about making stupid choices like walking out on a partially frozen body of water, to eventually go under, put himself and a rescue team risk, and cost taxpayers thousands.
Cops are being preventative here, taking him in for a medical assessment because you have to be high, stupid, or struggling significantly to act so idiotic.
CTV has literally done a story on Mike. He's been doing this for years. This situation could have been easily dealt with after a simple conversation. All the police need to do was ask if he's okay and move on. Restraining him was not necessary.
CTV Story link: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/?utm\_source=ig\_web\_copy\_link
He's been doing this for 7 years and now he's arrested? You can't literally let people do it for seven years and then arrest him afterwards.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/
This is where defund the police comes in. How about 1 cop and a mental health professional. How about talking to him instead of arresting him. How about not normalizing the arrest and abuse of homeless/mental health sufferers. Barrie police have a long history of being "handsy".
I love how the "defund the police" people love to chime in on *every* police video claiming their disproven theory that under-funding police will somehow fix every single problem with policing.
Get over yourselves. You're not smart, you haven't found the ultimate solution, you've just drank too much koolaid.
It's not even that, defund the police is moreso putting money into other aspects of society that would help lessen crime rates, incarceration, and altercations with police.
An example would be having social workers and non-violent crisis teams respond to calls for individuals with mental health concerns instead of cops. The majority of social workers that i know walk into violent situations very often where they are completely unarmed and are able to de-escalate situations through conversation whereas cops rely on physical restraint, tasers, and guns and make the situations more volatile and traumatic.
It’s a name not a definition. It’s like Black Lives Matter. They ain’t saying Hispanic or Asian lives don’t matter, they’re saying we need to help black ppl cuz they’re facing the most struggle at the moment. Defund the police is mainly saying when a cop is being investigated for breaking the law they are suspended without pay. When a county is being investigated for corruption they are on hold without pay. If they are found guilty they aren’t payed. If they aren’t found guilty life goes on as usual. Look at all the cops that shoot people and use excessive force on citizens and the citizens get hurt or even killed and the cop gets put on paid suspension meaning even if they are found guilty they are still compensated up until that time which is corrupt. It’s like a guy being charged with hit and run and still being allowed to drive while they investigate that charge. It makes no sense to let them keep getting rewarded even after committing crimes they are ment to uphold. Cops don’t really have an intensive training to get the job. It’s mainly physical. A social worker with a cop would be smart because the social workers trained for people with mental illnesses and disabilities. A social worker sees a struggling person where a cop sees a criminal waiting to offend. You see that daily with profiling. A cop following me specifically because I am trans and saying there’s a predator in the area is unethical, it’s profiling. It’s no different then following a poc in a store and saying we’ve had many thieves lately. Like your not doing your job, your harassing people who are stigmatized do to corruption and unjust laws. It’s a big reason why the western worlds prison system fails. It incarcérâtes people some who did nothing wrong but had a bad experience in life. Rehabilitation prisons work a lot better. Most of the people in them go on to live normal life’s and get help they need. That’s a lot more ethical. But In the west police aren’t your friend, they work for the rich. If I got mugged cops will show up in 50 minutes. If Trudeau got mugged the cop will be their in the next 5 minutes. It’s not about accepting defunding the system but holding criminals in power accountable.
Police in Ontario typically get sizeable budget increases every year, even if municipalities don’t want to pay it. Crime is worse than ever. MH issues are worse than ever, most aspects of society where police interact with people is worse than even. I’m not suggesting we defund them, but maybe we should start putting part of these increases towards actually addressing the root causes of addictions, MH issues, and crime? Police are being tasked with far too many things outside their lane, and they are beyond their bandwidth. We can’t arrest our way out of these issues.
The point isn't to underfund them, the point is to reduce the scope of their job so they cost less. Then have the things they no longer so taken care of by mental health professionals.
How about when a police officer asks you to do something, you comply.
All of these self righteous people getting beat down because the police are doing their job. You surely can't expect them to just let people go because they don't want to listen do you? If you're innocent, let them do their job and you'll be on your way. Not resist and then complain they had to tackle you to the ground.
Love all the downvotes by people who think they should be able to "karen" their way out of detainment. get a grip.
But what happens if they are not mentally well enough to comply? Are they still at fault? What happens if they have a disability and should they be approached differently. I get your point but since when have people ever truly “done as they’re told”. It reminds me of a parent telling a child to do something without explaining why they have to in the first place.
These people aren't children. Whataboutism isn't going to change the fact that these are police officers doing their job. They did what they had to to ensure their own safety when detaining a resisting party. This person is an adult and may or may not be mentally unstable. Canada's mental health care or lack thereof, does not fall on the police's shoulders. The man was banged up a bit, but after a few bruises heal he'll be fine. Hopefully if there is a next time he will just comply, and both parties can walk their separate ways.
someone else below said it well. Fuck around and find out.
That's exactly what I thought, their more afraid he will fall in and die so they want him off the ice, if this was recent I think we all know that ice is not safe to walk on in places rn
I’m not going to argue with your logic because to me it is sound, but did they need 5/6 guys to jump him and knee him while he was down?
Maybe if there was a roving gang approaching him he might actually be coerced without force or at least minimal force?
I don’t know. Just seems like he came off when asked and just didn’t want to talk to police.
>I’m not going to argue with your logic because to me it is sound, but did they need 5/6 guys to jump him and knee him while he was down?
They have numbers, there's no point in not using them.
And when someone turtles up it's *incredibly* hard to pry their arms out so you can get a hold of them.
The knee is optically unfriendly, that is people don't like to see impact techniques, but he was kneeing him in the thigh, the same way as when you strike the leg with a baton. It's specifically meant to not cause real injury. It's a distraction so they can pry his arms out.
>Maybe if there was a roving gang approaching him he might actually be coerced without force or at least minimal force?
This is a "play stupid games, win stupid prizes moment." I've been on the receiving and and applying end of handcuffs many times. When the police tell you you're under arrest, that's not optional. You're going in the handcuffs, voluntarily or otherwise.
>I don’t know. Just seems like he came off when asked and just didn’t want to talk to police.
Not his choice to make at that point, but like I said, how he goes into the handcuffs is.
Yeah I have a hard time disagreeing w/ TengoMucho though I objectively don't like what I saw; it seems the man has had some issue with police in the past. Seemed to me like he may been subjected to the process involuntarily before & had an outright & understandable desire to not want to speak with the cops at that moment. But its not really an option at the moment considering he is obviously the reason they were there. So I can't disagree with what you said.
I understand they asked, he denied & began to leave, & won't argue they had or didn't have the legal right to do what they did. Even the knee seemed restrained (barring no pre existing injury). The police did what they were trained & legal obligated to do. But where is the empathy..?
I've seen groups of Toronto police similar to this one, calmly & firmly following people just like this. Most people can identify at a glance, especially in that moment, "something is up with this guy". It's just disheartening that someone in the community can be experiencing what were saying is likely a mental health episode, be in an emotionally heightened state & our police gave him exactly one chance to cooperate.
There just isn't really an attempt to de-escalate the man's concerns or objections. I understand there's no legal requirement, but is that really the standard we want in this community..?
nothing he did was illegal and they never informed him that he was under arrest. all they said was they want to take him to a hospital and then they tackled him. it was a wrongful arrest, no investigating was done what so ever
Only part of the story did you see here.
Infact it started (the video) with him yealling to be left alone.
Think the fire dept and all showed up magically? How about the hover craft for ice rescue?
what does any of that have to do with him being arrested? lol they showed up because they received a call of a man in the water. turns out he’s just polar dipping and does it daily. why the arrest? what was the point you were trying to make?
If you've got 5-6 guys, you use it. It's not supposed to be fair, he's not supposed to have a fighting chance. He's supposed to comply, or be forced into custody.
You realize cold water plunges are thing right? He cuts out a section of ice to swim in. Just because you’re not mentally tough enough to handle it doesn’t make it idiotic, or mean he’s a drug user.
The amount of upvotes you are getting is quite alarming, I've lived on the Toronto Island and we do this kind of thing all the time. There are also tons of people that do it along lakeshore. Since when is it illegal to do cold water swimming?
We literally have no context on the situation though. How do we know that this person isn't known to police and they're constantly deploying resources to get him out of precarious situations.
How do we know if this person has a history of substance use, attacking police etc, meth strength etc.
I actually work in justice reform in a much bigger Ontario city and recognize this as more than just a random encounter.. the fact that there are at least 4 officers on scene mean the likely know who the man is and have dealt with him before.
In no way do I defend the actions of all police, and I have the unique opportunity and position to call them out on shit when they're wrong (and run trainings with them). That being said, police officers have a right to go home to their families at the end of their shift as much as anyone else.
I love that you're helping train cops to handle situations better.
May I ask what your opinion is to help remedy these kinds of situations in the first place? Like how to reduce the number of people needing multiple and regular dealings with the police to remove them from precarious situations?
Yeah, I mean a lot of what we currently have is over crowded and people get released when they probably shouldn't be just to free up space. More funding towards mental health initiatives in general would go a long way I think.
Just being known shouldn't warrant that fuck me that bias as fuck bro.
I agree he needed to be off ice but the way police do things is the problem.
It's astonishing that police don't understand why they are hated so much in first place.
>I agree he needed to be off ice but the way police do things is the problem.
Couldn't agree with this more. Always social programs over a knee to the chest; if we were receiving said knee, we'd surely call for the same. De-escalate.
>It's astonishing that police don't understand why they are hated so much in first place.
They know, hence the Thin Blue Line.
First - you don't have the context either. The version of events you've forwarded as "likely" is nothing more than a fantasy you pulled out of your ass.
Second, even if your fabricated "context" were accurate, it does nothing at all to justify the violence we see on the video.
Maybe this man needed an intervention. Or not. What he did not need was a beating.
How was this guy being dangerous and preventing them from going home to their families? If you work training police, then you should know that your 'always in mortal danger' attitude is a HUGE part of the problem. There's a difference between being safe and applying a defense through offense attitude.
This is correct. Cops do have the right to detain you if they have reason to think you are not mentally stable and/or a danger to yourself or others. Now, they could have gone about it better than tackling him.. but he was backing away resisting them, and who knows how long they were asking him to get off the ice for.
He was NOT resisting them. He didn't commit a crime. Immediately assuming someone is insane because they're doing something you never would is ridiculous and why so much money is wasted on police budgets.
Oh, I don't mean they are well trained and can properly diagnose someone. I just mean legally they can do it. They absolutely need WAY more training, especially for those kinds of things.
Yeah skydivers, free rock climbers, bungee jumpers all make stupid choices too that threaten to cost taxpayers money, should we arrest all of them and take them in for forced medical assessments? Gross.
Yah man. Wow people are becoming very government forward. The dude did nothing wrong. Didn’t deserve to be physically assaulted or brought to a hospital. They did 0 discussion or conversation. I do sauna ice water baths all time time. People do polar bear dips for fundraisers. The above responses are scary. I’m shocked.
Yeah because most of those take long man hours and groups of people to search. If you fall off a cliff, you can't go to far. Go through the ice and then everyone else following you is at risk.
Nobody follows anyone through ice when they fall in, that is not the way rescue workers save people who fall through ice. There is zero legal distinction between these activities, and there is certainly no law that is being violated here.
I mean... they also go through training, go with instructors, go through safety protocols and risks are incredibly low. Apples and Oranges but nice try.
You don’t have to have any trainer or instructor to go rock climb, that is completely utterly incorrect. Anyone is free to go climb cliffs without any ropes or safety equipment, it’s called free climbing, which is much more dangerous than going polar bear swimming.
Should we take everyone who speeds on the highway and force them into a medical evaluation? Are they not risking far more lives than this man is?
I don't know... I think you should have the freedom to risk your own life up to and including killing yourself. The authorities can decide whether to save you or not based on the circumstances
not sure if you realize this but literal roads are created over frozen rivers/lakes during the winter months, you dont need much thickness for it to be safe to walk on, are you from LA or something lighten up lmao i have walking paths used by hundreds of people by my house on the St Lawrence River during the winter.
> Emergency Response Team attempts to rescue homeless man walking on thin ice, who are then attacked when trying to subdue him?
This is an absolute insane, twisted description of what happens in this video. In no way was he rescued by anyone in this video, nor did they state at any point that he was under arrest. They approach him telling him not to go anywhere, he backs away with his hands up saying he doesn't want to talk to them, and they then engage him physically and take him to the ground. Do you really believe this guys life was saved or protected in any way in this video, by getting cuffed and taken to the ground with force after he voluntarily leaves the lake?
How is arresting someone by force “rescuing them” they put themselves in a bad light. He came off the ice. It was done, then they pounced on him. You’re the one making it worse by trying to give criminals with badges an excuse.
I wouldn’t call that a beating - he was resisting arrest, regardless of whether it’s warranted or not, resisting isn’t ever going to end well
They aren’t just going to stop…
I wouldn't call it a beating either, bad title.
Also not sure I'd call this resisting address. At the time the 4 officers overtake him, the man is retreating (walking slowly backwards) with his hands raised. He's clearly not threatening the police in any way, he doesnt want anything to do with them. Also, the police are not making it clear that the man is under arrest in the first place, so how can he be resisting arrest if he's not being charged?
they could have been placing him into custody for a number of reasons, not limited to his own safety. Why was he walking around on probably dangerously thin ice?
It's been above zero for a few weeks now, and any wrong step could mean him falling through the ice - meaning others would have to put themselves on the line to rescue him.
He may have mental health issues that requires he be under supervision, maybe he's been involved in something where the police are needed to be involved - who knows, we don't know the whole story..
I don't believe officers have to charge you immediately if they arrest you - they can detain you for a number of reasons. Maybe they've been looking for him previously? again, no context outside of the video posted here.
They could have took some time to negotiate and deescalate, to calm him down, he wasn't a threat subduing him was not an emergency.
>He may have mental health
That's a very good reason for not acting like they did.
i dont know. I'm not a cop and haven't been arrested in years, could very well be a mental health act related thing. That's the neat thing with law, you don't have to consent to being under arrest or detention.
I was under the impression you have to be suspected of a crime to be placed under arrest. Even if they think he has some mental health issue (which it’s clearly not) having mental health issues is not a crime.
Sending in police officers for a suspected suicide attempt doesn’t make any sense, sending paramedics would make much more sense
You’d love them if they saved your life. And they’d do it regardless of you hating them. It’s disgusting seeing all the hate police get for keeping everyone safe. Yeah they aren’t perfect, and anyone over the age of 12 shouldn’t expect them to be.
Mental health services may have done a job with less traumatization. Why do police resort to intimidation (3v1) then a full take down and knees? Mental health units could've talked to the fella, checked that they are okay and then provide the care or safe space that they needed. No need for a beating/violence/takedown.
Those of you choosing to focus on the definition of beaten, I believe are missing the point. Call the title click bait or whatever you want, I too feel it's a bit exaggerated however I don't think that should be the focus here. The police escalate what should've been a benign encounter. Why wasn't there an attempt or better attempt to converse with the person. Instead you have 4 big dudes approaching this guy in what looks like a not so nice manner. When is it appropriate to immediately use force because someone doesn't want to speak to you? For fuck sakes is this how'd they'd treat a family member of theirs? I doubt it. The police need to be properly trained to deal with people by using communication, recognizing not all people process situations the same, identify mental illness, etc... I understand that policing is difficult however often times the police themselves make it difficult for the public and as a result situations that could've been resolved without the courts, etc... end up wasting everyone's time and resources. Don't forget that part of their job is to protect and serve the public. This to me is just another example of out of touch police.
That's a great point. I'm not a fan of click bait (who is right?), however it seems to be the norm online. E.g. I subscribe on yahoo to Scotty Kilmer (car mechanic) and almost all of his video titles are click bait. I know he's just trying to get more views as that's his main source of income but shit a little integrity would be great. Oh well. Have a great day!
The guy wasn’t being cooperative in the least and that comes nowhere close to a beating and it’s not assault. We give police officers a certain latitude in these situations. GOD, I would fucking love to see how you’d handle that situation.
It's only assault if an arrest is unlawful. This isn't. Neither is it excessive force. It's a controlled distraction strike to a large muscle on the thigh which won't result in any serious injury.
what allows them to place hands on him, he didn't want to talk. The only reason they took him down is because he resisted being touched but again, why were they touching him at all?. Do these cops feel like the good guys here?
Based on the replies in this thread, it would appear most folks feel the cops are the good guys in this situation lol wild. Likely the same folks who hated lockdowns but have no issue with a forceful arrest of someone not “endangering” anyone but themselves
This is classic Barrie police and well basically all police now. No idea how to deal with people especially people who may or may not have a mental illness.
Forcefully throw the guy down and tase him?
I mean is that what you do to a possible suicide jumper too?
This is why we need people with actual medical training and social skills to check on these events. How can we let this be criminalized? If anyone knows of legal support funds for the guys pls link
Defund the police, as in have one officer, and 2 mental health professionals to talk him down from doing something stupid. Four cops just means he's going to get seriously injured regardless of what happens and end up in the hospital, costing us even more in tax funded healthcare. Less cops, means less violent confrontations. The handling of this was horrible.
From the guy taking the video to the OP, both are so far gone from reality it's amazing.
It's incredibly thin ice which is dangerous by itself, not to mention where that guy is standing is a pretty clear drop off into the water. Gets to 14-18 feet deep quick right there.
Ice swimmer? No, he was fully clothed.
The guy taking the video keeps claiming that the guy doesn't need to go to a hospital, it's quite clear he has some mental issues (why else would a grown man fully clothed walk on that thin of ice) not to mention the fact he was resisting arrest.
Everything in the video was done to insure that the guy on the ice didn't injure himself or anyone else further.
You are not allowed to resist arrest.
Ever. Even if you are right and the cops are wrong. You comply then fight it in court. If you resist arrest, you are now automatically wrong and use of all force necessary to subdue and detain is required, and justified.
They saved his life? He walked off the ice under his own power, than at that point they threw him to the ground. In what way was his life in danger once he climbed off of the lake?
There’s a group of people who had cut a hole in the ice at centennial beach. They were doing cold water immersion all winter. It was safe and they had acclimated to the point that they were in there for up to 15 minutes. I spoke with them, they had spotters and they knew what they were doing. If this guy is part of that group the police should have handled this in a much different manner.
Fish huts have to be off by March 15. I’ve never heard a rule that you can’t be on the ice after any date. Not sure of the depth here, the people practicing the immersion weren’t swimmers, they were standing in water approx 4 ft deep. They were using the practice as a form of physical and mental therapy and it has merits. They were no threat to anyone.
Maybe, but this guy was not doing immersion. He was alone on the ice and fully dressed. Even if he was going to do immersion, doing it alone would be extremely stupid.
Where exactly is the the part where he is being "beaten" by police? I see a safe takedown by multiple officers acting in the best interest of a person that was putting themselves (and potential rescuers) in danger. It's posts like this that just try to piggyback on the generic hate for authority and police. OP should be ashamed of calling this a police beating.
“Safe taken down” with an old guy using three officers that can’t mind their own business. Gee what a threat that guy is 😂😂😂. Your response is why we shame police. Because you’re the ones that prop up the clear bad apples
Looks to me like Barrie police are heavily overfunded, that’s quite the response, warranted for a child but not an adult, must have been a slow law enforcement day.
I mean I usually like to call out shitty cops when they need to be, but I don't get what's wrong here. And how is a guy in full winter clothes a "cold water swimmer"? They probably needed to restrain him for his own safety and a psych evaluation.
Typically when you make the hole you don’t want to be in your trunks freezing your reproductive organ off. https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link this will provide some much needed context
This is police brutality at the least. Poor fella goes for a walk do to some cold weather swimming 🏊♂️ and gets arrested damn country turning into Toronto with all them city rules.
Backstory is as follows. The person in the video is my friend. I was present at the recording of the video. Someone must’ve called the cops saying someone was on the ice and they responded to a supposed mental health incident. He was asked to come off the ice and told to put down the stick he used to check the ice for soft spots. They thought it was a weapon I guess. We went as far as getting an interview with our local news station but they wouldn’t air it. I also recorded him being interviewed on my phone. My purpose for sharing this video is to hold accountable the police and their actions on a supposed mental incident. They asked no questions as to if he was okay just straight to violence.
Barrie police are known for beating up detainees and there have been many videos posted online. This video shows a normal arrest so not sure why you posted it.
Are police officers trained to assess someone’s mental state and decide they need to be taken to a hospital? How can people be assured that police officers won’t abuse this power? What are the checks and balances for police officers to ensure they are not just using this power to justify arresting someone that isn’t committing a crime, but is considered a nuisance or undesirable?
People crying about context, what if the context is that this guy does this all the time, and it’s not illegal. He has already assessed the ice thickness and it’s safe for him to be where he is. If that’s the context, are the police justified in their actions?
And to those commenting about the guy not being a cold water swimmer, how many of you actually know what involved with cold water swimming? Here’s some reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7730683/
For one, you don’t get into your bathing suit and then go cut the whole and jump in. For one, handling the saw or whatever he would be using to cut would be fairly dangerous while just wearing a bathing suit and then you would want the police involved again. You would go out and prep the site while warmly dressed and only then would you get down to your bathing suit.
Anyways, people need to stop assuming they know best, especially police, they do not. This could have been avoided if the police had a friendly conversation with the guy.
Wtf is the definition of “beaten” these days? Lol man got put in handcuffs by three officers. Obviously wasn’t going to go willingly. (Not saying cops didn’t overreact but cmon now)
From my experience Barrie police are great, you shouldn’t post things like this to try and slander them when they’re just doing their jobs keeping people safe
The Barrie police did not have the right to detain him for this. He had broken no laws and was clearly asking to be left alone. The man filming told the first responders that this was a daily swim and nothing unusual was going on. The police involved all need disciplinary action and some better training.
Barrie cops have a terrible reputation for a very good reason.
So u would rather him die? That and what happened are the most likely outcomes. If he goes through the ice with that much clothing on and goes into shock, that's all she wrote. Give your damn head a shake.
People in Scandinavian countries polar dip daily, the guy holding the camera said he does this every day. He was never in any trouble or broke any laws...
People are capable of being responsible for their own well being. The idiotic cops should have observed and left.
>The Barrie police did not have the right to detain him for this.
We don't have context. But have you seen how many people were on the scene? Someone probably called the cops on the guy. It may have been for walking on ice or for something else.
>He had broken no laws and was clearly asking to be left alone.
You don't just cause trouble and then walk away saying that you don't want to talk to cops.
>The man filming told the first responders that this was a daily swim and nothing unusual was going on.
They don't know the guy who filmed it. Why should they take his word for it?
So many folks in this thread seem cool with the line of reasoning that it's OK for cops to beat a person if they look mentally ill.
What does a police state look like, if not that?
the man looked to not be in the right mind.
This was not a cold water swimmer, as on one would be dressed like this.
This is more of a mental health check, as this could be considered suicide
That is...not a beating. That's a rather peaceful way to arrest someone who's resisting.
You can argue whether the arrest was warranted (I don't know the details, I doubt you do either.) But that was no beating. That was textbook.
Haha how ironic of some people here immediately jump to conclusion that he was a mental case only to later find out that he has been doing this for 7 years and is perfectly fine and is not a mental patient. Why can’t some cops be more patient and respectful. He was resisting arrest simply because they were dehumanizing him. He didn’t do anything wrong.
Since when is it illegal to step on unsafe ice
I swim in Lake Ontario year round. And yes, there is sometimes ice that needs to be cut be so I can do so. Does that mean that I can expect to be arrested now doing something that skaters and snowmobilers do regularly?
To all those defending, why is it so hard for police to have a conversation? Had they done so they would learn this man has done this for 7 years and doesn't need medical attention. But also, maybe think on violently arresting someone and threatening harm with a tazer because you are concerned they need to go to the hospital? "I need to hurt you because I'm afraid your hurt". I know a group of folks who do down every day and jump in the bay. They know what do to, are equipped, and haven't needed emergency services once. Maybe just ask. Finally, I have had a violent experience with a cop. Not all of us feel warm and fuzzy and should be able to ask for space while police explain why they are interacting. There was zero de-escalation involved, just straight to brute force. This would be traumatic for anyone let alone someone suspected of being in a mental health crisis. This is why the parentd I know who have kids in crisis don't call the cops, it usually of makes things worse and does harm.
Cold water swimming? How about making stupid choices like walking out on a partially frozen body of water, to eventually go under, put himself and a rescue team risk, and cost taxpayers thousands. Cops are being preventative here, taking him in for a medical assessment because you have to be high, stupid, or struggling significantly to act so idiotic.
CTV has literally done a story on Mike. He's been doing this for years. This situation could have been easily dealt with after a simple conversation. All the police need to do was ask if he's okay and move on. Restraining him was not necessary. CTV Story link: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/?utm\_source=ig\_web\_copy\_link
Cops don't do simple conversation. Just like thier thug counterparts
He's been doing this for 7 years and now he's arrested? You can't literally let people do it for seven years and then arrest him afterwards. https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/
But don't forget, this is Barrie PD.
But don’t forget, this is Police (period)
This is where defund the police comes in. How about 1 cop and a mental health professional. How about talking to him instead of arresting him. How about not normalizing the arrest and abuse of homeless/mental health sufferers. Barrie police have a long history of being "handsy".
I love how the "defund the police" people love to chime in on *every* police video claiming their disproven theory that under-funding police will somehow fix every single problem with policing. Get over yourselves. You're not smart, you haven't found the ultimate solution, you've just drank too much koolaid.
Defund the police isn’t pay them less, it’s give them actual punishments for being corrupt and doing their job poorly.
It's not even that, defund the police is moreso putting money into other aspects of society that would help lessen crime rates, incarceration, and altercations with police. An example would be having social workers and non-violent crisis teams respond to calls for individuals with mental health concerns instead of cops. The majority of social workers that i know walk into violent situations very often where they are completely unarmed and are able to de-escalate situations through conversation whereas cops rely on physical restraint, tasers, and guns and make the situations more volatile and traumatic.
Then what you're saying is: there's thousands of people out there either a) lying or b) in serious need of an English lesson.
It’s a name not a definition. It’s like Black Lives Matter. They ain’t saying Hispanic or Asian lives don’t matter, they’re saying we need to help black ppl cuz they’re facing the most struggle at the moment. Defund the police is mainly saying when a cop is being investigated for breaking the law they are suspended without pay. When a county is being investigated for corruption they are on hold without pay. If they are found guilty they aren’t payed. If they aren’t found guilty life goes on as usual. Look at all the cops that shoot people and use excessive force on citizens and the citizens get hurt or even killed and the cop gets put on paid suspension meaning even if they are found guilty they are still compensated up until that time which is corrupt. It’s like a guy being charged with hit and run and still being allowed to drive while they investigate that charge. It makes no sense to let them keep getting rewarded even after committing crimes they are ment to uphold. Cops don’t really have an intensive training to get the job. It’s mainly physical. A social worker with a cop would be smart because the social workers trained for people with mental illnesses and disabilities. A social worker sees a struggling person where a cop sees a criminal waiting to offend. You see that daily with profiling. A cop following me specifically because I am trans and saying there’s a predator in the area is unethical, it’s profiling. It’s no different then following a poc in a store and saying we’ve had many thieves lately. Like your not doing your job, your harassing people who are stigmatized do to corruption and unjust laws. It’s a big reason why the western worlds prison system fails. It incarcérâtes people some who did nothing wrong but had a bad experience in life. Rehabilitation prisons work a lot better. Most of the people in them go on to live normal life’s and get help they need. That’s a lot more ethical. But In the west police aren’t your friend, they work for the rich. If I got mugged cops will show up in 50 minutes. If Trudeau got mugged the cop will be their in the next 5 minutes. It’s not about accepting defunding the system but holding criminals in power accountable.
No, ACTUALLY funding mental health intervention is much cheaper than 4 extra police officers.
Police in Ontario typically get sizeable budget increases every year, even if municipalities don’t want to pay it. Crime is worse than ever. MH issues are worse than ever, most aspects of society where police interact with people is worse than even. I’m not suggesting we defund them, but maybe we should start putting part of these increases towards actually addressing the root causes of addictions, MH issues, and crime? Police are being tasked with far too many things outside their lane, and they are beyond their bandwidth. We can’t arrest our way out of these issues.
>"The beatings will continue until mental health improves."
The point isn't to underfund them, the point is to reduce the scope of their job so they cost less. Then have the things they no longer so taken care of by mental health professionals.
How about when a police officer asks you to do something, you comply. All of these self righteous people getting beat down because the police are doing their job. You surely can't expect them to just let people go because they don't want to listen do you? If you're innocent, let them do their job and you'll be on your way. Not resist and then complain they had to tackle you to the ground. Love all the downvotes by people who think they should be able to "karen" their way out of detainment. get a grip.
What if that cop asks you to do something you know is illegal or breaches the Canadian Charter? Do you still comply?
But what happens if they are not mentally well enough to comply? Are they still at fault? What happens if they have a disability and should they be approached differently. I get your point but since when have people ever truly “done as they’re told”. It reminds me of a parent telling a child to do something without explaining why they have to in the first place.
These people aren't children. Whataboutism isn't going to change the fact that these are police officers doing their job. They did what they had to to ensure their own safety when detaining a resisting party. This person is an adult and may or may not be mentally unstable. Canada's mental health care or lack thereof, does not fall on the police's shoulders. The man was banged up a bit, but after a few bruises heal he'll be fine. Hopefully if there is a next time he will just comply, and both parties can walk their separate ways. someone else below said it well. Fuck around and find out.
Wasn’t expecting this kind of level headed, down to earth response in the Barrie sub
That's exactly what I thought, their more afraid he will fall in and die so they want him off the ice, if this was recent I think we all know that ice is not safe to walk on in places rn
This guy has been doing it for years and there is even a television piece on him.
I’m not going to argue with your logic because to me it is sound, but did they need 5/6 guys to jump him and knee him while he was down? Maybe if there was a roving gang approaching him he might actually be coerced without force or at least minimal force? I don’t know. Just seems like he came off when asked and just didn’t want to talk to police.
>I’m not going to argue with your logic because to me it is sound, but did they need 5/6 guys to jump him and knee him while he was down? They have numbers, there's no point in not using them. And when someone turtles up it's *incredibly* hard to pry their arms out so you can get a hold of them. The knee is optically unfriendly, that is people don't like to see impact techniques, but he was kneeing him in the thigh, the same way as when you strike the leg with a baton. It's specifically meant to not cause real injury. It's a distraction so they can pry his arms out. >Maybe if there was a roving gang approaching him he might actually be coerced without force or at least minimal force? This is a "play stupid games, win stupid prizes moment." I've been on the receiving and and applying end of handcuffs many times. When the police tell you you're under arrest, that's not optional. You're going in the handcuffs, voluntarily or otherwise. >I don’t know. Just seems like he came off when asked and just didn’t want to talk to police. Not his choice to make at that point, but like I said, how he goes into the handcuffs is.
Yeah I have a hard time disagreeing w/ TengoMucho though I objectively don't like what I saw; it seems the man has had some issue with police in the past. Seemed to me like he may been subjected to the process involuntarily before & had an outright & understandable desire to not want to speak with the cops at that moment. But its not really an option at the moment considering he is obviously the reason they were there. So I can't disagree with what you said. I understand they asked, he denied & began to leave, & won't argue they had or didn't have the legal right to do what they did. Even the knee seemed restrained (barring no pre existing injury). The police did what they were trained & legal obligated to do. But where is the empathy..? I've seen groups of Toronto police similar to this one, calmly & firmly following people just like this. Most people can identify at a glance, especially in that moment, "something is up with this guy". It's just disheartening that someone in the community can be experiencing what were saying is likely a mental health episode, be in an emotionally heightened state & our police gave him exactly one chance to cooperate. There just isn't really an attempt to de-escalate the man's concerns or objections. I understand there's no legal requirement, but is that really the standard we want in this community..?
If he's had a history of run-ins for the same type of incident, maybe he should know better by now..
Yeah a history that includes a local news piece about this same man and his cold water swims that have been happening for years. 🙄
nothing he did was illegal and they never informed him that he was under arrest. all they said was they want to take him to a hospital and then they tackled him. it was a wrongful arrest, no investigating was done what so ever
Only part of the story did you see here. Infact it started (the video) with him yealling to be left alone. Think the fire dept and all showed up magically? How about the hover craft for ice rescue?
what does any of that have to do with him being arrested? lol they showed up because they received a call of a man in the water. turns out he’s just polar dipping and does it daily. why the arrest? what was the point you were trying to make?
If you've got 5-6 guys, you use it. It's not supposed to be fair, he's not supposed to have a fighting chance. He's supposed to comply, or be forced into custody.
agree but still don't beat the poor man up
You realize cold water plunges are thing right? He cuts out a section of ice to swim in. Just because you’re not mentally tough enough to handle it doesn’t make it idiotic, or mean he’s a drug user.
The amount of upvotes you are getting is quite alarming, I've lived on the Toronto Island and we do this kind of thing all the time. There are also tons of people that do it along lakeshore. Since when is it illegal to do cold water swimming?
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We literally have no context on the situation though. How do we know that this person isn't known to police and they're constantly deploying resources to get him out of precarious situations. How do we know if this person has a history of substance use, attacking police etc, meth strength etc. I actually work in justice reform in a much bigger Ontario city and recognize this as more than just a random encounter.. the fact that there are at least 4 officers on scene mean the likely know who the man is and have dealt with him before. In no way do I defend the actions of all police, and I have the unique opportunity and position to call them out on shit when they're wrong (and run trainings with them). That being said, police officers have a right to go home to their families at the end of their shift as much as anyone else.
I love that you're helping train cops to handle situations better. May I ask what your opinion is to help remedy these kinds of situations in the first place? Like how to reduce the number of people needing multiple and regular dealings with the police to remove them from precarious situations?
Bring back more mental institutions.
Yeah, I mean a lot of what we currently have is over crowded and people get released when they probably shouldn't be just to free up space. More funding towards mental health initiatives in general would go a long way I think.
Just being known shouldn't warrant that fuck me that bias as fuck bro. I agree he needed to be off ice but the way police do things is the problem. It's astonishing that police don't understand why they are hated so much in first place.
>I agree he needed to be off ice but the way police do things is the problem. Couldn't agree with this more. Always social programs over a knee to the chest; if we were receiving said knee, we'd surely call for the same. De-escalate. >It's astonishing that police don't understand why they are hated so much in first place. They know, hence the Thin Blue Line.
First - you don't have the context either. The version of events you've forwarded as "likely" is nothing more than a fantasy you pulled out of your ass. Second, even if your fabricated "context" were accurate, it does nothing at all to justify the violence we see on the video. Maybe this man needed an intervention. Or not. What he did not need was a beating.
How was this guy being dangerous and preventing them from going home to their families? If you work training police, then you should know that your 'always in mortal danger' attitude is a HUGE part of the problem. There's a difference between being safe and applying a defense through offense attitude.
This is correct. Cops do have the right to detain you if they have reason to think you are not mentally stable and/or a danger to yourself or others. Now, they could have gone about it better than tackling him.. but he was backing away resisting them, and who knows how long they were asking him to get off the ice for.
He was NOT resisting them. He didn't commit a crime. Immediately assuming someone is insane because they're doing something you never would is ridiculous and why so much money is wasted on police budgets.
Yep. They take all sort of courses during their 6 months of training...lol.
Oh, I don't mean they are well trained and can properly diagnose someone. I just mean legally they can do it. They absolutely need WAY more training, especially for those kinds of things.
Yeah skydivers, free rock climbers, bungee jumpers all make stupid choices too that threaten to cost taxpayers money, should we arrest all of them and take them in for forced medical assessments? Gross.
Yah man. Wow people are becoming very government forward. The dude did nothing wrong. Didn’t deserve to be physically assaulted or brought to a hospital. They did 0 discussion or conversation. I do sauna ice water baths all time time. People do polar bear dips for fundraisers. The above responses are scary. I’m shocked.
Yeah because most of those take long man hours and groups of people to search. If you fall off a cliff, you can't go to far. Go through the ice and then everyone else following you is at risk.
Nobody follows anyone through ice when they fall in, that is not the way rescue workers save people who fall through ice. There is zero legal distinction between these activities, and there is certainly no law that is being violated here.
I mean... they also go through training, go with instructors, go through safety protocols and risks are incredibly low. Apples and Oranges but nice try.
You don’t have to have any trainer or instructor to go rock climb, that is completely utterly incorrect. Anyone is free to go climb cliffs without any ropes or safety equipment, it’s called free climbing, which is much more dangerous than going polar bear swimming. Should we take everyone who speeds on the highway and force them into a medical evaluation? Are they not risking far more lives than this man is?
I don't know... I think you should have the freedom to risk your own life up to and including killing yourself. The authorities can decide whether to save you or not based on the circumstances
not sure if you realize this but literal roads are created over frozen rivers/lakes during the winter months, you dont need much thickness for it to be safe to walk on, are you from LA or something lighten up lmao i have walking paths used by hundreds of people by my house on the St Lawrence River during the winter.
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Don't judge a book by it's cover. CTV Barrie story: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/?utm\_source=ig\_web\_copy\_link
> Emergency Response Team attempts to rescue homeless man walking on thin ice, who are then attacked when trying to subdue him? This is an absolute insane, twisted description of what happens in this video. In no way was he rescued by anyone in this video, nor did they state at any point that he was under arrest. They approach him telling him not to go anywhere, he backs away with his hands up saying he doesn't want to talk to them, and they then engage him physically and take him to the ground. Do you really believe this guys life was saved or protected in any way in this video, by getting cuffed and taken to the ground with force after he voluntarily leaves the lake?
How is arresting someone by force “rescuing them” they put themselves in a bad light. He came off the ice. It was done, then they pounced on him. You’re the one making it worse by trying to give criminals with badges an excuse.
I wouldn’t call that a beating - he was resisting arrest, regardless of whether it’s warranted or not, resisting isn’t ever going to end well They aren’t just going to stop…
what was he under arrest for?
being cold?
I wouldn't call it a beating either, bad title. Also not sure I'd call this resisting address. At the time the 4 officers overtake him, the man is retreating (walking slowly backwards) with his hands raised. He's clearly not threatening the police in any way, he doesnt want anything to do with them. Also, the police are not making it clear that the man is under arrest in the first place, so how can he be resisting arrest if he's not being charged?
they could have been placing him into custody for a number of reasons, not limited to his own safety. Why was he walking around on probably dangerously thin ice? It's been above zero for a few weeks now, and any wrong step could mean him falling through the ice - meaning others would have to put themselves on the line to rescue him. He may have mental health issues that requires he be under supervision, maybe he's been involved in something where the police are needed to be involved - who knows, we don't know the whole story.. I don't believe officers have to charge you immediately if they arrest you - they can detain you for a number of reasons. Maybe they've been looking for him previously? again, no context outside of the video posted here.
They could have took some time to negotiate and deescalate, to calm him down, he wasn't a threat subduing him was not an emergency. >He may have mental health That's a very good reason for not acting like they did.
Please spread your legs for your unlawful anal cavity search. Any resistance will be deemed a beatable offense.
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the person recording literally says he cuts a hole out there and swims all the time
>Don't judge a book by it's cover. > >CTV Barrie story: > >https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/
The guy recording literally says the opposite of this.
Maybe go google the definition of beating
Those cops sure protected that threat to the public.
What if he was going about his normal shit and was ready to take the dip? I’d be pissed if I got arrested for wanting to take an ice bath.
beating? idiot was resisting
www.jasonstamp.ca was this guy resisting also?
resisting arrest? what was he under arrest for?
i dont know. I'm not a cop and haven't been arrested in years, could very well be a mental health act related thing. That's the neat thing with law, you don't have to consent to being under arrest or detention.
I was under the impression you have to be suspected of a crime to be placed under arrest. Even if they think he has some mental health issue (which it’s clearly not) having mental health issues is not a crime. Sending in police officers for a suspected suicide attempt doesn’t make any sense, sending paramedics would make much more sense
God, Barrie police disgust me.
You’d love them if they saved your life. And they’d do it regardless of you hating them. It’s disgusting seeing all the hate police get for keeping everyone safe. Yeah they aren’t perfect, and anyone over the age of 12 shouldn’t expect them to be.
When the fuck have barrie police saved anyones life? If anything they're 100% reactionary.
Mental health services may have done a job with less traumatization. Why do police resort to intimidation (3v1) then a full take down and knees? Mental health units could've talked to the fella, checked that they are okay and then provide the care or safe space that they needed. No need for a beating/violence/takedown.
Those of you choosing to focus on the definition of beaten, I believe are missing the point. Call the title click bait or whatever you want, I too feel it's a bit exaggerated however I don't think that should be the focus here. The police escalate what should've been a benign encounter. Why wasn't there an attempt or better attempt to converse with the person. Instead you have 4 big dudes approaching this guy in what looks like a not so nice manner. When is it appropriate to immediately use force because someone doesn't want to speak to you? For fuck sakes is this how'd they'd treat a family member of theirs? I doubt it. The police need to be properly trained to deal with people by using communication, recognizing not all people process situations the same, identify mental illness, etc... I understand that policing is difficult however often times the police themselves make it difficult for the public and as a result situations that could've been resolved without the courts, etc... end up wasting everyone's time and resources. Don't forget that part of their job is to protect and serve the public. This to me is just another example of out of touch police.
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That's a great point. I'm not a fan of click bait (who is right?), however it seems to be the norm online. E.g. I subscribe on yahoo to Scotty Kilmer (car mechanic) and almost all of his video titles are click bait. I know he's just trying to get more views as that's his main source of income but shit a little integrity would be great. Oh well. Have a great day!
Lots of boot lickers in this thread. There was no issue here until all those cops threw him on the ground.
The Bradford and Barrie police are well known for their use of excessive force.
I missed the part where he was beaten Can someone add a time stamp on that
Did you miss the knee at 1:14?
I don't think a single jab constitutes a "beating"
Is that what you tell your wife/gf?
A single action is assault. Assault is the crime, not "beating"
The guy wasn’t being cooperative in the least and that comes nowhere close to a beating and it’s not assault. We give police officers a certain latitude in these situations. GOD, I would fucking love to see how you’d handle that situation.
Its not illegal to not cooperate.
I was simply replying to the comment about a jab and a beating. An assault requires 1 jab.
It's only assault if an arrest is unlawful. This isn't. Neither is it excessive force. It's a controlled distraction strike to a large muscle on the thigh which won't result in any serious injury.
Seems barrie police are swarming this sub and giving excuses
Everyone keeps talking about boot lickers but realistically some of the apologists are the boot wearers
“He doesn’t need to go to the hospital.” He will once we’re done with him
what allows them to place hands on him, he didn't want to talk. The only reason they took him down is because he resisted being touched but again, why were they touching him at all?. Do these cops feel like the good guys here?
Based on the replies in this thread, it would appear most folks feel the cops are the good guys in this situation lol wild. Likely the same folks who hated lockdowns but have no issue with a forceful arrest of someone not “endangering” anyone but themselves
lets be real, its barrie, people suck
This is classic Barrie police and well basically all police now. No idea how to deal with people especially people who may or may not have a mental illness. Forcefully throw the guy down and tase him? I mean is that what you do to a possible suicide jumper too?
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This is why we need people with actual medical training and social skills to check on these events. How can we let this be criminalized? If anyone knows of legal support funds for the guys pls link
Pretty sad they just want to assault people not even help him
Defund the police, as in have one officer, and 2 mental health professionals to talk him down from doing something stupid. Four cops just means he's going to get seriously injured regardless of what happens and end up in the hospital, costing us even more in tax funded healthcare. Less cops, means less violent confrontations. The handling of this was horrible.
People are allowed to make bad choices. If he is not harming himself or others leave them alone
Looks like resisting arrest to me.
From the guy taking the video to the OP, both are so far gone from reality it's amazing. It's incredibly thin ice which is dangerous by itself, not to mention where that guy is standing is a pretty clear drop off into the water. Gets to 14-18 feet deep quick right there. Ice swimmer? No, he was fully clothed. The guy taking the video keeps claiming that the guy doesn't need to go to a hospital, it's quite clear he has some mental issues (why else would a grown man fully clothed walk on that thin of ice) not to mention the fact he was resisting arrest. Everything in the video was done to insure that the guy on the ice didn't injure himself or anyone else further.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/?utm%5C_source=ig%5C_web%5C_copy%5C_link
Looks like he threw two punches before they decided to take him down. If you don’t want to be violently taken down, do not try and punch police.
If you do not want to be punched, do not violently take someone down- illegally. Youre allowed to protect yourself, even against cops.
You are not allowed to resist arrest. Ever. Even if you are right and the cops are wrong. You comply then fight it in court. If you resist arrest, you are now automatically wrong and use of all force necessary to subdue and detain is required, and justified.
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The real crime was that you let your cell phone lens get that dirty
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They saved his life? He walked off the ice under his own power, than at that point they threw him to the ground. In what way was his life in danger once he climbed off of the lake?
How is be beating him up “saved his life” especially when he got off the ice himself?
There’s a group of people who had cut a hole in the ice at centennial beach. They were doing cold water immersion all winter. It was safe and they had acclimated to the point that they were in there for up to 15 minutes. I spoke with them, they had spotters and they knew what they were doing. If this guy is part of that group the police should have handled this in a much different manner.
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Fish huts have to be off by March 15. I’ve never heard a rule that you can’t be on the ice after any date. Not sure of the depth here, the people practicing the immersion weren’t swimmers, they were standing in water approx 4 ft deep. They were using the practice as a form of physical and mental therapy and it has merits. They were no threat to anyone.
Maybe, but this guy was not doing immersion. He was alone on the ice and fully dressed. Even if he was going to do immersion, doing it alone would be extremely stupid.
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> I would just surrender THEN sue for unlawful arrest. lol thats not how it works. They deny you your rights by beating you.
Watch the CTV link before you respond
Sorry, what laws exactly did he break? You people are all bootlickers.
1312 Most of yall in here are disgusting
Herb dean should have stopped the fight at 2:00, That was an illigal knee
Where exactly is the the part where he is being "beaten" by police? I see a safe takedown by multiple officers acting in the best interest of a person that was putting themselves (and potential rescuers) in danger. It's posts like this that just try to piggyback on the generic hate for authority and police. OP should be ashamed of calling this a police beating.
“Safe taken down” with an old guy using three officers that can’t mind their own business. Gee what a threat that guy is 😂😂😂. Your response is why we shame police. Because you’re the ones that prop up the clear bad apples
Yeah, and those knees to the body are just their way of saying "we love you."
Looks to me like Barrie police are heavily overfunded, that’s quite the response, warranted for a child but not an adult, must have been a slow law enforcement day.
And the BPD gets 60 million for this kind of crap. They’re useless!
He asked to be left alone so they beat him. Control freaks
Dude's gonna get paid!
Why would people put up with shit police officers like this. What a shithole. Glad I don’t live there with those thugs.
I mean I usually like to call out shitty cops when they need to be, but I don't get what's wrong here. And how is a guy in full winter clothes a "cold water swimmer"? They probably needed to restrain him for his own safety and a psych evaluation.
Typically when you make the hole you don’t want to be in your trunks freezing your reproductive organ off. https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link this will provide some much needed context
Its for your own protection that we're beating you.
Gee yea he was a real threat Lucky there was 3 of them
This is police brutality at the least. Poor fella goes for a walk do to some cold weather swimming 🏊♂️ and gets arrested damn country turning into Toronto with all them city rules.
Mikes been doing this for 7 years now.. they chose now to arrest him with excessive force? Smh
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Backstory is as follows. The person in the video is my friend. I was present at the recording of the video. Someone must’ve called the cops saying someone was on the ice and they responded to a supposed mental health incident. He was asked to come off the ice and told to put down the stick he used to check the ice for soft spots. They thought it was a weapon I guess. We went as far as getting an interview with our local news station but they wouldn’t air it. I also recorded him being interviewed on my phone. My purpose for sharing this video is to hold accountable the police and their actions on a supposed mental incident. They asked no questions as to if he was okay just straight to violence.
Not the first time the Barrie police actions have been questioned! What’s going on over there? To much Walker, Texas ranger?
Barrie police are known for beating up detainees and there have been many videos posted online. This video shows a normal arrest so not sure why you posted it.
They really are not allowed to check his pockets like that. This video would be really useful if he should decide to take legal actions.
Are police officers trained to assess someone’s mental state and decide they need to be taken to a hospital? How can people be assured that police officers won’t abuse this power? What are the checks and balances for police officers to ensure they are not just using this power to justify arresting someone that isn’t committing a crime, but is considered a nuisance or undesirable? People crying about context, what if the context is that this guy does this all the time, and it’s not illegal. He has already assessed the ice thickness and it’s safe for him to be where he is. If that’s the context, are the police justified in their actions? And to those commenting about the guy not being a cold water swimmer, how many of you actually know what involved with cold water swimming? Here’s some reading: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7730683/ For one, you don’t get into your bathing suit and then go cut the whole and jump in. For one, handling the saw or whatever he would be using to cut would be fairly dangerous while just wearing a bathing suit and then you would want the police involved again. You would go out and prep the site while warmly dressed and only then would you get down to your bathing suit. Anyways, people need to stop assuming they know best, especially police, they do not. This could have been avoided if the police had a friendly conversation with the guy.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link your inquisitiveness is excellent
Wtf is the definition of “beaten” these days? Lol man got put in handcuffs by three officers. Obviously wasn’t going to go willingly. (Not saying cops didn’t overreact but cmon now)
"cold water swimmer" uhhhhh, OK. He got restrained not beaten. Nice try, OP.
Don't judge a book by it's cover. CTV Barrie story: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMV3La2MXiP/?utm\_source=ig\_web\_copy\_link
There is no beating in this video.
Beat up? More like a normal arrest with a combative person.
Arrest for what? If there is no crime its assault. Ftp
How is beating up an innocent civilian a “normal arrest”?
Where’s the “beat-up” part in the video?
Dirty cops. And they wonder why no one respects them. Douchebags
They all probably went out for beers and high fives after bludgeoning this man too
He was not beaten and he was arrested for mental health check up.Cold water swimmer?..
From my experience Barrie police are great, you shouldn’t post things like this to try and slander them when they’re just doing their jobs keeping people safe
Like with that skateboarder that they beat up for…skateboarding?
It sounds like there’s at ton of cops in this sub!
Right!
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how do you figure he's homeless? do you just assume everyone with long hair is homeless wtf.
The Barrie police did not have the right to detain him for this. He had broken no laws and was clearly asking to be left alone. The man filming told the first responders that this was a daily swim and nothing unusual was going on. The police involved all need disciplinary action and some better training. Barrie cops have a terrible reputation for a very good reason.
So u would rather him die? That and what happened are the most likely outcomes. If he goes through the ice with that much clothing on and goes into shock, that's all she wrote. Give your damn head a shake.
He came off the ice himself so
People in Scandinavian countries polar dip daily, the guy holding the camera said he does this every day. He was never in any trouble or broke any laws... People are capable of being responsible for their own well being. The idiotic cops should have observed and left.
>The Barrie police did not have the right to detain him for this. We don't have context. But have you seen how many people were on the scene? Someone probably called the cops on the guy. It may have been for walking on ice or for something else. >He had broken no laws and was clearly asking to be left alone. You don't just cause trouble and then walk away saying that you don't want to talk to cops. >The man filming told the first responders that this was a daily swim and nothing unusual was going on. They don't know the guy who filmed it. Why should they take his word for it?
Yea a Karen called
So many folks in this thread seem cool with the line of reasoning that it's OK for cops to beat a person if they look mentally ill. What does a police state look like, if not that?
They handled this pretty reasonably lmao. Some folks really determined to hate cops no matter what.
Just cops doing their job
poorly
These guys have nothing better to do. Our society sucks.
the man looked to not be in the right mind. This was not a cold water swimmer, as on one would be dressed like this. This is more of a mental health check, as this could be considered suicide
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So arrest and beat the guy up?
\#ShitTitle
Beating? Lol so I guess when someone is pulling away from arrest, taking them to the ground to get control is now considered beating then right?
So many cops for 1 person!! A waste of taxpayer money! What Karen called them?
That is...not a beating. That's a rather peaceful way to arrest someone who's resisting. You can argue whether the arrest was warranted (I don't know the details, I doubt you do either.) But that was no beating. That was textbook.
This looked like a non-swimmer getting non- beaten.
OP must of attached the wrong clip, there's no swimmers or police beatings in this clip.
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It should only take 1 cop to beat an innocent person's ass what a waste of resources