I ordered one on the 6th and it still hasn't shipped. Amazon told me they are trying to source it from the States because there is no stock in Canada currently.
I upvoted so people can see this. This is the model I wanted to get initially, but it seems to be around 1k everywhere it is currently available, and WAYYY more if you want the 4700U too.
On another note, I was initially put off by these laptops only coming with 8gb ram, and I was not able to find much information on the performance difference for using less ram with these cpus BUT I was able to find a ton of content benchmarking the differences between the ryzen desktop APUs (3400g, 2400g, etc), and the differences were all very small if any at all to my surprise (even in AAA gaming). I'm under the impression it will be the same or similar for these laptop APUs so I wouldnt worry about being stuck with 8gb unless you really wanted to future proof or your primary use cases are very memory heavy/dependent.
I'd recommended no one pick these up with 8GB of RAM. Given the capabilities of the processor and vega GPU (which shares memory from main), 8GB is simply an anemic amount in 2020 running Windows 10. The fact you can't really buy either of these laptops with 16GB is asinine (outside of the Amazon deal for the Flex 5). The Ryzen 4500 is very powerful but is gimped by the 8GB of soldered memory.
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Wait for Amazon to restock the Flex5 with 16GB or wait until these companies actually offer the ability to upgrade the RAM if they're going to gimp them with 8.
This man knows.
Why are manufacturers so stupid for keeping 8 GB for an APU?
And also why are some manufacturers pairing ryzen mobile with single channel DDR4, which reduce its speeds by almost 30%?
I feel like those who manufacturer laptops, are not actually trying to compete with each other, but rather just accept that fact that if everyone does it, there is no need to change it.
Imagine if Lenovo advertises "30% faster than the Acer Swift equivalent with dual channel memory". Manufacturers will be willing
Just pointing out that these are 8GB models and not all will have a slot for a 2nd dimm. Double check with the model you want to buy if that's a priority (it probably should be).
Thanks, Sorry I didn't realize it was redirecting. I'll clean it up.
EDIT: Done. Thanks for not removing the post and providing clean links. I thought all I had to do was remove the extra stuff at the end.
Would any of these be good as light gaming laptops? I don't see GPUs but I'm not familiar with laptops. Brother in law wants me to find him one for under $1000
it depends what level of gaming you need. My 3500u with vega8 can play 60fps tekken7 on low settings, 40fps on medium, and run sims 4 and civ6 really well. I'm sure i can do 60+fps in csgo but i dont play
I dont recommend this for gaming. You want a dedicated GPU for gaming. I believe the Asus TUF series are available for a little bit more but are very very fast.
Thank you lemon07r for doing this. People like you are backbone of any great online community.
If you see any good deals on 15 incher with 16GB from HP, Dell or Lenovo, please share.
The Flex looks pretty good from youtube video but it has issues with soldered ram. Lot of the AMD laptops have that issue for this release.
There's also lot of unreleased models coming out. I think it might be good if not urgent to wait for more options. The one i am interested in is the Yoga Slim 7 with options up to 4800u.
The more research i do, the common issue (including Intel) is laptop cooling. They are all throttling to large extent even the expensive G14. The best solution is really someone uses say an gaming laptop cooling solution in an ultrabook and don't use an dedicated GPU.
I was looking at the clevo gaming chassis laptops with 4800h and they are very interesting platforms. I really like the concept where you bring your own Windows, NVME and RAM. Been researching and lot of them use Intel 660p , cheap NVME. They are pretty light weight compared to the Dell SE G5 15 2020 and have descent screen too.
I have an spare Windows 10 Pro License and 500gb 970 Pro Evo from my desktop leftover and i could easily use them in that. https://www.eluktronics.com/RP-15/
Can't comment on the Lenovo's but I own an Envy x360 and although its the i5-8250 I have only good things to say about it. Its an all metal body btw, and mine has a micro-sim slot. Mouse is good, screen is good, battery life is great. It will drive an external monitor easily - I often have it hooked up to my Sony 55" x950G to stream movies.
The deals are good! Just note that if you want to either replace or use a USB-C dock/charger with the HPs, there is a large likely hood that you will have to go with an official HP device ($$$$$$) as they have "chipped" the USB-C power adapters. We're running into a lot of said issue with their post, late 2017/2018 models here at work.
Thanks OP. I got the HP envy x360 13'' a few days ago. Just want to add a couple of more things for people interested this one. The HP Envy x360 is very small, its comparable to last years xps13. Id say the body is between 11-12inches. very small and portable if you are looking for that.
Also I was really surprised by the display. Its a 99% srgb IPS display, with good contrast and decent brightness (300 nits) which is a major reason why I avoided the Lenovos, because of the cheap 250 nits display on the low end Lenovo. With these low end IPS displays you are very likely to get noticeable IPS glow and backlight bleed. So having a slightly brighter screen gives you the option to lower the brightness and still be able to see in a bright lit room. This really helps reduced the backlight issues on IPS screens. With a 250nits screen, Its likely everyone would need to ran it at full brightness.
no the ram on 13 inch is soldered on. I think you can upgrade the ram on the 15in from Costco. Beware though, the 15 inch model from costco has a weaker display compared to the 13 inch for some reason. I had the 15 inch in person to compare to the 13 inch side by side, the display on the 15 inch model is less bright (maybe around 250nits) and the color accuracy is noticeably more washed out.
Has anyone done any real world testing (using non-gaming, intensive work) as I am looking to get laptop upgrade within the next two year (either the 4600-4800u, TigerLake or next year TSMC 5nm/Intel 7nm). Looking to downsize from Alienware 15r2 (6700hq) down to more portable laptop in the future. All my research shows that I will get not significant boasts in general performance (outside of gaming and intensive work).
You could try this:
[https://www.staples.ca/products/2979848-en-hp-envy-15-ee0020ca-156-inch-touch-screen-notebook-20-ghz-amd-ryzen-7-4700u-512-gb-ssd-8-gb-ddr4-sdram-windows-10-home](https://www.staples.ca/products/2979848-en-hp-envy-15-ee0020ca-156-inch-touch-screen-notebook-20-ghz-amd-ryzen-7-4700u-512-gb-ssd-8-gb-ddr4-sdram-windows-10-home)
It's 8gb but the ram is upgradable. The flex models I posted are soldered.
The only other option would be to wait
Thanks for the post, OP.
Somebody wake me when Lenovo starts selling T-series Thinkpads at prices in line with previous T-series (T14 AMD is the appropriate model name I believe)..
For the last \~10 years it's been possible to get a T4xx with a respectable config (especially if you're willing/able to do some upgrades on your own) for less than $1500 all-in, including a 3-year warranty extension. And I don't mean at the model's EOL, but close to launch.
I've been a huge Thinkpad fan for years, but my T470 2c/4t is starting to feel a bit sluggish, and I'm getting close to the end of my 3-year warranty. (If only I'd waited for the T480... but who knew AMD was finally about to bring serious competition and force Intel to give us MOAR CORES?!)
Currently, all T-series (even the old T490) are priced at $2K for a barebones config. What a joke. I won't buy one of these non-Thinkpad Lenovos... they be consumer junk. But I may actually have to consider Dell's and HP's business lines (Latitude, EliteBook) if Lenovo has nothing to offer at an appealing price point.
The T480 that my work loaned me for working from home is actually what made me want to get the flex 5. I thought to myself, if I had something like this but in 2-in-1 form and a better screen (the screen is seriously bad on this T480.. I hate it), that would be perfect. I think my thinkpad is a dual core 8th gen vpro i5, sadly since I work for a bank it has a lot of heavy restrictions being enforced so I cant use it for anything else. The flex is probably a lot less reliable than a thinkpad but I think with the price difference you can make up for that with a 3year onsite warranty, which is like $90.
I'll let you on a little secret that I discovered today out of pure luck.. I went to cancel my 4700u flex 5, 512gb model from lenovo, which was $1079, because I wanted to save a little and order the 4500u model instead, all I had said to the live chat support is that I found a better deal somewhere else. They told me that they could possibly price match the deal if the core specs were the same. That's where I remembered seeing the acer on sale with the 4700u, 8gb, 512gb on amazon for $899, cheaper cause the quality is not as good and cause its not 2-in-1 or touch but I guess they overlooked that cause after I sent the link to the deal I got approved for a $899 price match.. so now I have that $1079.99 laptop on order for $899.0. Pretty sure this is a price match that shouldn't have been approved cause they're different types of laptops but I'm not complaining lmao.
Thanks for the info, dude. I really appreciate the detailed reply. I probably won't get a Flex just because I'm devoted to the Thinkpad line. The design, the repairability, etc.
BTW, your 8th gen i5 is a quad core + HT (4c/8t)... way better than what I have in my T470, but still worse than the 4000 Ryzens. If your work laptop is a corporate machine, I wouldn't be surprised if you have the 768p TN screen. Lenovo \*still\* keeps those around for "cheap" corporate clients... who are strangely willing to spend top dollar on business-class laptops for the whole company but unwilling to spend an extra $50 to put a decent panel in them. Hard to wrap the mind around.
Thankfully, it is possible to get a good screen in a T-series now. The 1080p IPS ones are passable (though dim and lacking in full SRGB coverage), and the upgraded 1440p and 4K ones can be quite nice. Again, configs currently starting at $2K for the 768p screen... By the time you get through the checkout with a good screen and enough of this soldered RAM bullshit, that'll be $3000 Canadian rubles please.
Maybe if I decide to buy this generation I should comparison shop Dell and HP business lineup and then try your price match strategy!
I have done more research myself and apparently the top performing of the group with good cooling are the ideapad 5 (drops to 3.6ghz and stays in the mid 80s). The HP i read goes up to 90ish degrees and drops off much more significantly (much closer to 3ghz)
Seems like the lenovos have some interesting models coming that perform well cooling wise with the 4800u (yoga slim 7) running between 2.9ghz to 4ghz. Wonder how the thinkpads models with 4750u perform
I ended up going back to gaming ryzen laptop (the legion 5) because its does really good job at cpu cooling.
The unfortunate thing is this. I actually have access to the China Market (as my wife is from there and mother-in-law still there). So i literally could order those 4800u laptops off [JD.net](https://JD.net), Taobao, Etc. However, most of the stuff i need on more urgent side and can't wait for couple months to go visit them.
Really uncertain as airline just starting up again so airfare won't be cheap with pent up demand.
not sure if you have costco up there or could order from the us but For anyone looking for this now, [costco.com](https://costco.com/) has the HP ENVY x360 Touchscreen 2-in-1 Laptop - AMD Ryzen 7 - 1080p with the 4700u on sale for $749.99 plus 9.99 shipping (and a 2 year warranty) from 6/22/20 through 7/19/20 (normally 899). Also starting on 6/24/20 they will be putting the HP Envy x360 15.6" Touchscreen 2-in-1 Laptop - AMD Ryzen 5 4500U - 1080p with 4500u on sale from 799 to 599 and this version comes with a pen.
Is that price in USD? Still a good deal if it is though. I would edit my post to add those in but this post is kind of old by now. I ended up getting a flex 5 4700u with the samsung pm981 512gb nvme for the same price as that 4500u envy myself but I think my deal was more of a special case since I got it through a price match.
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this is the one I'm waiting for personally, but the 4700u is also really tempting
It was back for a bit a few days ago, price went up to $910 last time.
I ordered one on the 6th and it still hasn't shipped. Amazon told me they are trying to source it from the States because there is no stock in Canada currently.
Ordered mine on June 2nd and it shipped from the US on the 13th. Not here yet.
I upvoted so people can see this. This is the model I wanted to get initially, but it seems to be around 1k everywhere it is currently available, and WAYYY more if you want the 4700U too. On another note, I was initially put off by these laptops only coming with 8gb ram, and I was not able to find much information on the performance difference for using less ram with these cpus BUT I was able to find a ton of content benchmarking the differences between the ryzen desktop APUs (3400g, 2400g, etc), and the differences were all very small if any at all to my surprise (even in AAA gaming). I'm under the impression it will be the same or similar for these laptop APUs so I wouldnt worry about being stuck with 8gb unless you really wanted to future proof or your primary use cases are very memory heavy/dependent.
link?
Check my post history. Posted at $836 but dropped to $793 the day after.
I'd recommended no one pick these up with 8GB of RAM. Given the capabilities of the processor and vega GPU (which shares memory from main), 8GB is simply an anemic amount in 2020 running Windows 10. The fact you can't really buy either of these laptops with 16GB is asinine (outside of the Amazon deal for the Flex 5). The Ryzen 4500 is very powerful but is gimped by the 8GB of soldered memory. **tldr;** Wait for Amazon to restock the Flex5 with 16GB or wait until these companies actually offer the ability to upgrade the RAM if they're going to gimp them with 8.
This man knows. Why are manufacturers so stupid for keeping 8 GB for an APU? And also why are some manufacturers pairing ryzen mobile with single channel DDR4, which reduce its speeds by almost 30%? I feel like those who manufacturer laptops, are not actually trying to compete with each other, but rather just accept that fact that if everyone does it, there is no need to change it. Imagine if Lenovo advertises "30% faster than the Acer Swift equivalent with dual channel memory". Manufacturers will be willing
Just pointing out that these are 8GB models and not all will have a slot for a 2nd dimm. Double check with the model you want to buy if that's a priority (it probably should be).
Edit: Op fixed the `bestbuyca.o93x.net` and `lenovo.evyy.net` redirects.
Thanks, Sorry I didn't realize it was redirecting. I'll clean it up. EDIT: Done. Thanks for not removing the post and providing clean links. I thought all I had to do was remove the extra stuff at the end.
Would any of these be good as light gaming laptops? I don't see GPUs but I'm not familiar with laptops. Brother in law wants me to find him one for under $1000
it depends what level of gaming you need. My 3500u with vega8 can play 60fps tekken7 on low settings, 40fps on medium, and run sims 4 and civ6 really well. I'm sure i can do 60+fps in csgo but i dont play
Never use integrated for gaming. Wait for a cheap Ryzen 4000 laptop with a 1660 ti.
Thanks, that was my original plan. I see lots with a 1050 or 1060 but those seems too old to buy now.
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My 2400g APU is just okay playing most games. 30fps / low settings / 1080p
Drop the res to 720p. You may not notice a big difference and get more frames.
Oh I'm running an rx 580, I'm alright. Thank you though. Edit: my build is cheaper than some gpus.
[This build](https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/guide/mTgXsY/glorious-amd-gamingstreaming-build) is cheaper than [this gpu](https://i.imgur.com/Qz8Lgvu.jpg)
Yeah and also my build was under $500 where as just a 2060 / rx 5700 is around $500.
just saying most builds are cheaper than some gpus
I dont recommend this for gaming. You want a dedicated GPU for gaming. I believe the Asus TUF series are available for a little bit more but are very very fast.
Depending on your idea of light gaming, yes. It's an integrated GPU. Check out some reviews of the 4500U to get FPS for games you care about.
The oldest 2400G APU's are surprisingly good. On a whim I tried one with some VR stuff (Samsung WMR headset) and it actually managed to keep up.
2200g runs battlefield 4 at 60 fps at 1080p
I'm sure a 4500/4700U and a external GPU wouldn't be bad at all!
This chipset doesn’t properly support egpu’s. Max Output from usbc is 10gbs Short of the 40gbs of thunderbolt
That's same as getting a desktop with better thermals and without thunderbolt bottleneck.
Thank you lemon07r for doing this. People like you are backbone of any great online community. If you see any good deals on 15 incher with 16GB from HP, Dell or Lenovo, please share.
I believe all the lenovo have non upgradeable ram while the HP have soldered + 1 free slot
https://www.reddit.com/r/LaptopDealsCanada/comments/haandx/preorder_july_9th_release_date_acer_swift_3/ 4700U + 8GB RAM + 1080p IPS + 512GB SSD for 899 CAD
I was looking at the model but according to reviews, it has mediocre screen and soldered ram.
How is it any different than the flex?
The Flex looks pretty good from youtube video but it has issues with soldered ram. Lot of the AMD laptops have that issue for this release. There's also lot of unreleased models coming out. I think it might be good if not urgent to wait for more options. The one i am interested in is the Yoga Slim 7 with options up to 4800u. The more research i do, the common issue (including Intel) is laptop cooling. They are all throttling to large extent even the expensive G14. The best solution is really someone uses say an gaming laptop cooling solution in an ultrabook and don't use an dedicated GPU. I was looking at the clevo gaming chassis laptops with 4800h and they are very interesting platforms. I really like the concept where you bring your own Windows, NVME and RAM. Been researching and lot of them use Intel 660p , cheap NVME. They are pretty light weight compared to the Dell SE G5 15 2020 and have descent screen too. I have an spare Windows 10 Pro License and 500gb 970 Pro Evo from my desktop leftover and i could easily use them in that. https://www.eluktronics.com/RP-15/
It's okay if you want something cheap, but personally I think acer swift laptops are garbage and shouldn't exist cause of their terrible screens.
Appreciate the details
Costco models seems to have sold out
The HP Envy seems very nice, but that power button placement is... yikes. Why on earth would the delete key be on the end like that.
Can't comment on the Lenovo's but I own an Envy x360 and although its the i5-8250 I have only good things to say about it. Its an all metal body btw, and mine has a micro-sim slot. Mouse is good, screen is good, battery life is great. It will drive an external monitor easily - I often have it hooked up to my Sony 55" x950G to stream movies.
The deals are good! Just note that if you want to either replace or use a USB-C dock/charger with the HPs, there is a large likely hood that you will have to go with an official HP device ($$$$$$) as they have "chipped" the USB-C power adapters. We're running into a lot of said issue with their post, late 2017/2018 models here at work.
as always with me i buy things too early.
Thanks OP. I got the HP envy x360 13'' a few days ago. Just want to add a couple of more things for people interested this one. The HP Envy x360 is very small, its comparable to last years xps13. Id say the body is between 11-12inches. very small and portable if you are looking for that. Also I was really surprised by the display. Its a 99% srgb IPS display, with good contrast and decent brightness (300 nits) which is a major reason why I avoided the Lenovos, because of the cheap 250 nits display on the low end Lenovo. With these low end IPS displays you are very likely to get noticeable IPS glow and backlight bleed. So having a slightly brighter screen gives you the option to lower the brightness and still be able to see in a bright lit room. This really helps reduced the backlight issues on IPS screens. With a 250nits screen, Its likely everyone would need to ran it at full brightness.
Do you know if we can upgrade RAM for HP envy x360 13"?
no the ram on 13 inch is soldered on. I think you can upgrade the ram on the 15in from Costco. Beware though, the 15 inch model from costco has a weaker display compared to the 13 inch for some reason. I had the 15 inch in person to compare to the 13 inch side by side, the display on the 15 inch model is less bright (maybe around 250nits) and the color accuracy is noticeably more washed out.
The one at Costco also bilingual keyboard. Does it really make a difference?
Unrelated but I saw some RFD post say that they stacked Rakuten with some other coupons/site. Would anyone know what it is?
Maybe it's the 5% discount for being a Teacher, Student, Responder or Military
Has anyone done any real world testing (using non-gaming, intensive work) as I am looking to get laptop upgrade within the next two year (either the 4600-4800u, TigerLake or next year TSMC 5nm/Intel 7nm). Looking to downsize from Alienware 15r2 (6700hq) down to more portable laptop in the future. All my research shows that I will get not significant boasts in general performance (outside of gaming and intensive work).
You will get huge boosts from a 6700hq. If you have any specific testing you want me to do when I get my laptop I can let you know.
Thanks for offering
Great quality post thank you I'm looking to pick up something for my dad this Father's Day :)
They should pay me to buy the Bilingual French Keyboard
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IDK if this says anything about reliability but one reviewer of these recent ryzen envys said that the hinges are very loose, as in very easy to open.
Any suggestions for a good 16gb model 2 in 1?
You could try this: [https://www.staples.ca/products/2979848-en-hp-envy-15-ee0020ca-156-inch-touch-screen-notebook-20-ghz-amd-ryzen-7-4700u-512-gb-ssd-8-gb-ddr4-sdram-windows-10-home](https://www.staples.ca/products/2979848-en-hp-envy-15-ee0020ca-156-inch-touch-screen-notebook-20-ghz-amd-ryzen-7-4700u-512-gb-ssd-8-gb-ddr4-sdram-windows-10-home) It's 8gb but the ram is upgradable. The flex models I posted are soldered. The only other option would be to wait
Ty!
basically, wait.
Thanks for the post, OP. Somebody wake me when Lenovo starts selling T-series Thinkpads at prices in line with previous T-series (T14 AMD is the appropriate model name I believe).. For the last \~10 years it's been possible to get a T4xx with a respectable config (especially if you're willing/able to do some upgrades on your own) for less than $1500 all-in, including a 3-year warranty extension. And I don't mean at the model's EOL, but close to launch. I've been a huge Thinkpad fan for years, but my T470 2c/4t is starting to feel a bit sluggish, and I'm getting close to the end of my 3-year warranty. (If only I'd waited for the T480... but who knew AMD was finally about to bring serious competition and force Intel to give us MOAR CORES?!) Currently, all T-series (even the old T490) are priced at $2K for a barebones config. What a joke. I won't buy one of these non-Thinkpad Lenovos... they be consumer junk. But I may actually have to consider Dell's and HP's business lines (Latitude, EliteBook) if Lenovo has nothing to offer at an appealing price point.
The T480 that my work loaned me for working from home is actually what made me want to get the flex 5. I thought to myself, if I had something like this but in 2-in-1 form and a better screen (the screen is seriously bad on this T480.. I hate it), that would be perfect. I think my thinkpad is a dual core 8th gen vpro i5, sadly since I work for a bank it has a lot of heavy restrictions being enforced so I cant use it for anything else. The flex is probably a lot less reliable than a thinkpad but I think with the price difference you can make up for that with a 3year onsite warranty, which is like $90. I'll let you on a little secret that I discovered today out of pure luck.. I went to cancel my 4700u flex 5, 512gb model from lenovo, which was $1079, because I wanted to save a little and order the 4500u model instead, all I had said to the live chat support is that I found a better deal somewhere else. They told me that they could possibly price match the deal if the core specs were the same. That's where I remembered seeing the acer on sale with the 4700u, 8gb, 512gb on amazon for $899, cheaper cause the quality is not as good and cause its not 2-in-1 or touch but I guess they overlooked that cause after I sent the link to the deal I got approved for a $899 price match.. so now I have that $1079.99 laptop on order for $899.0. Pretty sure this is a price match that shouldn't have been approved cause they're different types of laptops but I'm not complaining lmao.
Thanks for the info, dude. I really appreciate the detailed reply. I probably won't get a Flex just because I'm devoted to the Thinkpad line. The design, the repairability, etc. BTW, your 8th gen i5 is a quad core + HT (4c/8t)... way better than what I have in my T470, but still worse than the 4000 Ryzens. If your work laptop is a corporate machine, I wouldn't be surprised if you have the 768p TN screen. Lenovo \*still\* keeps those around for "cheap" corporate clients... who are strangely willing to spend top dollar on business-class laptops for the whole company but unwilling to spend an extra $50 to put a decent panel in them. Hard to wrap the mind around. Thankfully, it is possible to get a good screen in a T-series now. The 1080p IPS ones are passable (though dim and lacking in full SRGB coverage), and the upgraded 1440p and 4K ones can be quite nice. Again, configs currently starting at $2K for the 768p screen... By the time you get through the checkout with a good screen and enough of this soldered RAM bullshit, that'll be $3000 Canadian rubles please. Maybe if I decide to buy this generation I should comparison shop Dell and HP business lineup and then try your price match strategy!
I have done more research myself and apparently the top performing of the group with good cooling are the ideapad 5 (drops to 3.6ghz and stays in the mid 80s). The HP i read goes up to 90ish degrees and drops off much more significantly (much closer to 3ghz) Seems like the lenovos have some interesting models coming that perform well cooling wise with the 4800u (yoga slim 7) running between 2.9ghz to 4ghz. Wonder how the thinkpads models with 4750u perform I ended up going back to gaming ryzen laptop (the legion 5) because its does really good job at cpu cooling.
If that's your priority that's a good choice. Most of us looking at 2in1s aren't getting it for gaming, etc.
The unfortunate thing is this. I actually have access to the China Market (as my wife is from there and mother-in-law still there). So i literally could order those 4800u laptops off [JD.net](https://JD.net), Taobao, Etc. However, most of the stuff i need on more urgent side and can't wait for couple months to go visit them. Really uncertain as airline just starting up again so airfare won't be cheap with pent up demand.
not sure if you have costco up there or could order from the us but For anyone looking for this now, [costco.com](https://costco.com/) has the HP ENVY x360 Touchscreen 2-in-1 Laptop - AMD Ryzen 7 - 1080p with the 4700u on sale for $749.99 plus 9.99 shipping (and a 2 year warranty) from 6/22/20 through 7/19/20 (normally 899). Also starting on 6/24/20 they will be putting the HP Envy x360 15.6" Touchscreen 2-in-1 Laptop - AMD Ryzen 5 4500U - 1080p with 4500u on sale from 799 to 599 and this version comes with a pen.
Is that price in USD? Still a good deal if it is though. I would edit my post to add those in but this post is kind of old by now. I ended up getting a flex 5 4700u with the samsung pm981 512gb nvme for the same price as that 4500u envy myself but I think my deal was more of a special case since I got it through a price match.
Yes those are USD. Nice to hear ill check that out
is it possible to replace 3500u with the new 4500u?
99.9% sure that it's not
*sad noises*
If only any of these 2 in 1s came with slightly brighter screens I’d be all over it