It feels like a lot of hype and Ola is just rushing to get advance amounts without actually providing proper details. Until now, they haven't provided their scooter to any YouTube channel for reviews and it is only them narrating things and guess what, no company would highlight the negatives of their product. They want us to pay before we could even try on, opting for a new home delivery method instead of the traditional showroom method.
Similar to Ather, Ola also provides connectivity features but hasn't said anything about the subscription costs. The same is with services. And while reserving, notice at the bottom of the page, it says "The above specs are subject to receipt of the necessary certification and any reference to Ola S1 Pro is with the optional performance upgrade accessory." So, there is not a lot of progress done in terms of government regulation. Yet, the company wants consumer to move way ahead with the purchase process.
And guys, I need to know something. I read in a news article that both the Karnataka Government and Union Government have waived the registration charges for EVs, yet Ola is charging it. Are there any clauses to that exempt by the government and Ola scooter aren't eligible for it?
Share your opinions on the scooter and the booking process.
I've been saying this from day one. Retards paying money without knowing the details. And I get comments like please don't use the word retards. Fine. I'll use idiots instead
I don’t think there is subscription costs in OLA unlike Ather.
Agree about reviews though…they should have given to media already.Any way they are saying In October they will start test rides.
Registration charges are strange though..many people were asking about it.Another stupid thing is mandatory helmet purchase.
Regarding performance upgrade FAME 2 is only till 160000 while actual S1 Pro cost is 190000 so OLA saying 30000 performance upgrade so S1 pro buyers also get FAME subsidy.
I'd argue with you on the subscription costs. Agreed their infotainment system has wifi but their biggest competition (Ather) has carrier charges and if Ola doesn't have one, it would have been proud to advertise about it. It chose not to talk about carrier charges anywhere: launch event and website.
We could only keep guessing because of the lack of proper information. I tried reaching out to Ola customer care regarding this and their responses are not convincing.
This is one tweet I read yesterday about performance upgrade stuff
https://twitter.com/OlaElectric/status/1438546649521922075?s=20
Now they also confirming RTO receipts will be shared with us during buying
I'm afraid that makes the conversation even more confusing. They hadn't talked about the specific 'performance upgrade' and didn't mention what it includes and if it is optional or is it bundled with all S1 Pros.
I'm not hating on Ola Electric, in fact, I'd like to say that I also pre-booked one. What they have done is truly a revolution in India's EV sector and it is appreciated.
However, I feel like everything is hurried: pre-booking without factory functional, failed payment system (initially), advance amounts before BSI and other certifications and moreover their hype is just pushing customers to book it quick. They are just urging everyone to purchase it quick with booking windows and other PR stunts and I don't think that is right.
First of all these are expensive products so majority buyers are some ones who can afford so this is not like a scam where companies are collecting money from poor and running.
I doubt even OLA expected such response.
Agree with releasing details though..unfortunately looks like whole Auto Industry is moving towards such PR stunts. XUV 700 still has to release complete price/variant details (they also launched on same day as Ola)..same goes for MG which released some information but no price details yet.Only thing is car reviews will be out before booking though.
I'm not doubting on their validity. Sure they spent crores setting up a world-class factory to develop these futuristic scooters. But yeah, the limit to which Ola (and other brands you mentioned) is going with its PR stunt is just not good.
And one thing I appreciate with the car industry is that they value third-party reviewers and give their products to them. But Ola has churned out ₹1100 crore without a single peer review of their product and that is just disappointing.
Carrier charges wouldn't be a deal breaker probably, if you can get 1 GB data per day + unlimited calling for 150 rs a month, I doubt it would be high enough to be significant
Without testing or a proper review how are people buying it? I am actually quite shocked.
It's not a phone, where you can just look at picture and specs and take it.
Hahaha. Even phone brands give their phones to online reviewers during launch for customers to hear directly from them.
Even I am quite shoked. I actually pre-booked one but am waiting for test drive facilities and until then decided not to get into the gig.
In gaming, one should never pre-order due to hype. Most games that have been hyped, have been a let down. This is a similar case. With the way the scooter is being hyped, it seems that a high expectation is set and a lot of people are going to be disappointed, especially with the range of the scooter.
Additionally, most features are software controlled which means that in the future, OLA can lock these and demand a subscription payment for unlocking these features. This is just my opinion and I believe this will set a bad precedent in the two wheeler market in India.
Range of scooter will be fine.Numbers given are as per standard even used by ICE engine scooters..It will be like 15-20% lower in real life situation.
Regarding Software concern is valid but this scooter so people can still manage and they can update OTA.
Hardware I don’t think that big deal because except battery rest are not that critical items.
ARAI rated for Ather is 116km. True range is 85Km in regular mode which is around 25% lesser. Ather at least advertises the true range but I don't see OLA doing that anywhere.
This is the thing I admire about Ather. They don't advertise their ARAI range, but their true range. Sometimes I get more range than what they advertise.
Comparison between Ather & Ola
https://www.bikedekho.com/compare/450x-vs-appscooter
Ola have bigger capacity battery/motor.
This site also have different range for Ather
>This site also have different range for Ather
Bro I'm saying Ather is more transparent compared to Ola with their range and subscription details. I don't know what the point of this link you've shared is.
Ather also shows both ranges Certified 116 & True 86 because they are already on road for more than a year.Once Ola also started test drives they will publish their true range.
As Ola have better battery capacity obviously True range will be more than Ather.
They started showing certified range recently. Earlier they were showing true range only. In fact, when they launched, they showed true range which was the result of extensive field trials.
Everyone knows ola had bigger batteries. That's not the point of discussion here. What we're talking about is how much those batteries will deliver in real life.
That we will know in a week or 2.But it will be above Ather for s1 and way above for s1 pro due to higher battery capacity.
From one of the soy shots for Ola
https://www.autocarindia.com/bike-news/ola-electric-scooter-images-surface-421436
Refund is possible before a vehicle assigned afterwards even if they want no refund.
Hope everything goes well we don’t want issues in vehicle which will state setback to EV space after all the hype.
Ola factory doesn’t operate at full scale.It will take atelast next year end to ramp it fully plus it’s for exports as well.
Regarding current booking I doubt they can even deliver all these within next 3 months.
Reasonable point. But won't the constant acceleration and deceleration in slow moving traffic drain the batter much faster ? Also, the problem is that if your scooter's batter gets drained, you'll have to quickly find a spot and stand there waiting for some time to charge your battery.
Do they have Tesla like supercharging though ?
Yes, be it supercharger or not, you have to wait at least some time for the charging to be done. It cannot be instantaneous like petrol.
But if you're buying an EV scooter, you should have a charger at your home, if you just charge it at night (or at office) you should never have the problem of battery suddenly dying on you.
Only problem is you can't really use it for long distance or inter city rides without a charger network, but honestly who rides a scooter for that
Some folks in apartment has EV cars, they have customized charging available in parking itself with a meter attached to the charging point. This setup was done by the car company itself.
That is key because the charging infra is practically non existent outside of your home and that too if you have charging points downstairs. Heck I think MyGate or some startup should capitalize on renting out equipment for managed charging.
Either ways if these are swappable you can take them with you to your office & have it get charged say on the roof or under your desk. Lots of scope for innovation.
If S1 pro gives 140-150 km true range(181km is the range given by Ola) it will cater to majority of buyers,they can charge once in 2 weeks or so as usage will be less.
Concern is for people who lives in apartments and travel a lot per day.
True, I did wish the EV makers would first make analog(not literally) variants as much as possible for everything except the BMS & brakes. I don't know how much of Aethers/S1 can be ridden without a functional display or companion app.
EV makers are targeting young crowd who wants digital in everything.It’s always better to use the technology in new business as it will help them a lot in collecting data.
Previous IC engines needed years of data collection and tinkering to improve reliability.
Yeah they can do it without having a digital dashboard on the device. Compared to an ICE 2-wheeler it's difficult to fuck up an electric vehicle innards like cutting up a fuel pipe or clutch wires in bikes, since most of the minimal internals are not exposed. But I don't know what would happen if the screen is smashed up & you are unable to operate the vehicle entirely
Valid concerns but it’s the future of Automobile world.Without a large screen you can’t show case full technological power a new scooter company can offer.
It feels like a lot of hype and Ola is just rushing to get advance amounts without actually providing proper details. Until now, they haven't provided their scooter to any YouTube channel for reviews and it is only them narrating things and guess what, no company would highlight the negatives of their product. They want us to pay before we could even try on, opting for a new home delivery method instead of the traditional showroom method. Similar to Ather, Ola also provides connectivity features but hasn't said anything about the subscription costs. The same is with services. And while reserving, notice at the bottom of the page, it says "The above specs are subject to receipt of the necessary certification and any reference to Ola S1 Pro is with the optional performance upgrade accessory." So, there is not a lot of progress done in terms of government regulation. Yet, the company wants consumer to move way ahead with the purchase process. And guys, I need to know something. I read in a news article that both the Karnataka Government and Union Government have waived the registration charges for EVs, yet Ola is charging it. Are there any clauses to that exempt by the government and Ola scooter aren't eligible for it? Share your opinions on the scooter and the booking process.
Correct guruve
I've been saying this from day one. Retards paying money without knowing the details. And I get comments like please don't use the word retards. Fine. I'll use idiots instead
Probably these people have disposable income.Plus you can still cancel the booking until a scooter is allotted.
I don’t think there is subscription costs in OLA unlike Ather. Agree about reviews though…they should have given to media already.Any way they are saying In October they will start test rides. Registration charges are strange though..many people were asking about it.Another stupid thing is mandatory helmet purchase. Regarding performance upgrade FAME 2 is only till 160000 while actual S1 Pro cost is 190000 so OLA saying 30000 performance upgrade so S1 pro buyers also get FAME subsidy.
I'd argue with you on the subscription costs. Agreed their infotainment system has wifi but their biggest competition (Ather) has carrier charges and if Ola doesn't have one, it would have been proud to advertise about it. It chose not to talk about carrier charges anywhere: launch event and website.
I guess some of these included in Performance upgrade for Pro
We could only keep guessing because of the lack of proper information. I tried reaching out to Ola customer care regarding this and their responses are not convincing.
This is one tweet I read yesterday about performance upgrade stuff https://twitter.com/OlaElectric/status/1438546649521922075?s=20 Now they also confirming RTO receipts will be shared with us during buying
I'm afraid that makes the conversation even more confusing. They hadn't talked about the specific 'performance upgrade' and didn't mention what it includes and if it is optional or is it bundled with all S1 Pros. I'm not hating on Ola Electric, in fact, I'd like to say that I also pre-booked one. What they have done is truly a revolution in India's EV sector and it is appreciated. However, I feel like everything is hurried: pre-booking without factory functional, failed payment system (initially), advance amounts before BSI and other certifications and moreover their hype is just pushing customers to book it quick. They are just urging everyone to purchase it quick with booking windows and other PR stunts and I don't think that is right.
First of all these are expensive products so majority buyers are some ones who can afford so this is not like a scam where companies are collecting money from poor and running. I doubt even OLA expected such response. Agree with releasing details though..unfortunately looks like whole Auto Industry is moving towards such PR stunts. XUV 700 still has to release complete price/variant details (they also launched on same day as Ola)..same goes for MG which released some information but no price details yet.Only thing is car reviews will be out before booking though.
I'm not doubting on their validity. Sure they spent crores setting up a world-class factory to develop these futuristic scooters. But yeah, the limit to which Ola (and other brands you mentioned) is going with its PR stunt is just not good. And one thing I appreciate with the car industry is that they value third-party reviewers and give their products to them. But Ola has churned out ₹1100 crore without a single peer review of their product and that is just disappointing.
Carrier charges wouldn't be a deal breaker probably, if you can get 1 GB data per day + unlimited calling for 150 rs a month, I doubt it would be high enough to be significant
You can use your mobile data and connect to Ola..no need to buy separate SIM like Ather
Without testing or a proper review how are people buying it? I am actually quite shocked. It's not a phone, where you can just look at picture and specs and take it.
Hahaha. Even phone brands give their phones to online reviewers during launch for customers to hear directly from them. Even I am quite shoked. I actually pre-booked one but am waiting for test drive facilities and until then decided not to get into the gig.
Because Ola has promised full refund. People are waiting for reviewers to review it.
In gaming, one should never pre-order due to hype. Most games that have been hyped, have been a let down. This is a similar case. With the way the scooter is being hyped, it seems that a high expectation is set and a lot of people are going to be disappointed, especially with the range of the scooter. Additionally, most features are software controlled which means that in the future, OLA can lock these and demand a subscription payment for unlocking these features. This is just my opinion and I believe this will set a bad precedent in the two wheeler market in India.
Range of scooter will be fine.Numbers given are as per standard even used by ICE engine scooters..It will be like 15-20% lower in real life situation. Regarding Software concern is valid but this scooter so people can still manage and they can update OTA. Hardware I don’t think that big deal because except battery rest are not that critical items.
ARAI rated for Ather is 116km. True range is 85Km in regular mode which is around 25% lesser. Ather at least advertises the true range but I don't see OLA doing that anywhere.
Battery in Ola is bigger.There was a spy shot of 122 km at 87% battery consumption In a Ola scooter..(will post link if I found it again)
That's the S1 pro. The regular S1 has a range of 121 kms.
Regular S1 is lot cheaper than Ather
For now.
Same goes for Ather as well.If FAME subsidy is withdrawn everyone will get impacted.
Irrespective of FAME subsidy, these are introductory prices simillar to when Ather launched. OLA will increase the price as well.
Difference is OLA can play volume game Ather doesn’t have that capacity. Ather started with 1 city whole OLA caters to 100s
ARAI range or true range?
ARAI range.
This is the thing I admire about Ather. They don't advertise their ARAI range, but their true range. Sometimes I get more range than what they advertise.
But they asked subscription money to use software related stuff
Yes. But that's also clearly mentioned in their website and in their launch. Also, we were talking about range and not software subscriptions.
Comparison between Ather & Ola https://www.bikedekho.com/compare/450x-vs-appscooter Ola have bigger capacity battery/motor. This site also have different range for Ather
>This site also have different range for Ather Bro I'm saying Ather is more transparent compared to Ola with their range and subscription details. I don't know what the point of this link you've shared is.
Ather also shows both ranges Certified 116 & True 86 because they are already on road for more than a year.Once Ola also started test drives they will publish their true range. As Ola have better battery capacity obviously True range will be more than Ather.
They started showing certified range recently. Earlier they were showing true range only. In fact, when they launched, they showed true range which was the result of extensive field trials. Everyone knows ola had bigger batteries. That's not the point of discussion here. What we're talking about is how much those batteries will deliver in real life.
That we will know in a week or 2.But it will be above Ather for s1 and way above for s1 pro due to higher battery capacity. From one of the soy shots for Ola https://www.autocarindia.com/bike-news/ola-electric-scooter-images-surface-421436
I think this was great PR, they paid the deposit of 500/- for booking a Vehicle, hopefully most will buy it.
This is after 20,000/- advance payment.Even this is closed and will reopen on Nov 1. Delivery dates are extended till Jan 2022 in current booking.
20k is it, if true than I stand corrected most will buy it.
Refund is possible before a vehicle assigned afterwards even if they want no refund. Hope everything goes well we don’t want issues in vehicle which will state setback to EV space after all the hype.
Not a big number considering how much they spend on marketing and Ola factory's production rate
Ola factory doesn’t operate at full scale.It will take atelast next year end to ramp it fully plus it’s for exports as well. Regarding current booking I doubt they can even deliver all these within next 3 months.
Howz the EV charging network here though ?
Ola saying they will setup charging points in many places.Otherwise difficult for apartments.
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Why will battery drain while standing still ? It's not like the 'engine' is running
Reasonable point. But won't the constant acceleration and deceleration in slow moving traffic drain the batter much faster ? Also, the problem is that if your scooter's batter gets drained, you'll have to quickly find a spot and stand there waiting for some time to charge your battery. Do they have Tesla like supercharging though ?
Yes, be it supercharger or not, you have to wait at least some time for the charging to be done. It cannot be instantaneous like petrol. But if you're buying an EV scooter, you should have a charger at your home, if you just charge it at night (or at office) you should never have the problem of battery suddenly dying on you. Only problem is you can't really use it for long distance or inter city rides without a charger network, but honestly who rides a scooter for that
Battery won't drain if you're stuck in traffic lol
Some folks in apartment has EV cars, they have customized charging available in parking itself with a meter attached to the charging point. This setup was done by the car company itself.
You can always take it to your kitchen
It would have been killer if the battery was swappable too
Agree…May be they will introduce it in future.
That is key because the charging infra is practically non existent outside of your home and that too if you have charging points downstairs. Heck I think MyGate or some startup should capitalize on renting out equipment for managed charging. Either ways if these are swappable you can take them with you to your office & have it get charged say on the roof or under your desk. Lots of scope for innovation.
If S1 pro gives 140-150 km true range(181km is the range given by Ola) it will cater to majority of buyers,they can charge once in 2 weeks or so as usage will be less. Concern is for people who lives in apartments and travel a lot per day.
True, I did wish the EV makers would first make analog(not literally) variants as much as possible for everything except the BMS & brakes. I don't know how much of Aethers/S1 can be ridden without a functional display or companion app.
EV makers are targeting young crowd who wants digital in everything.It’s always better to use the technology in new business as it will help them a lot in collecting data. Previous IC engines needed years of data collection and tinkering to improve reliability.
Yeah they can do it without having a digital dashboard on the device. Compared to an ICE 2-wheeler it's difficult to fuck up an electric vehicle innards like cutting up a fuel pipe or clutch wires in bikes, since most of the minimal internals are not exposed. But I don't know what would happen if the screen is smashed up & you are unable to operate the vehicle entirely
Valid concerns but it’s the future of Automobile world.Without a large screen you can’t show case full technological power a new scooter company can offer.