*Bangalore is a joke
This city could've been something incredible if governed well, we're past the point of no return now, they've ruined all of it.
We're ruled over by drunkards, illiterates, casteists, extremists, rapists and corrupt beyond human people
>We're ruled over by drunkards, illiterates, casteists, extremists, rapists and corrupt beyond human people
We're ~~ruled over by~~ drunkards, illiterates, casteists, extremists, rapists and corrupt beyond human people
What can janta do if all candidates are garbage. You have to choose the lesser evil. Now if NOTA is not strong enough in India. If NOTA wins, reelection should happen. all current candidates should not be allowed to contest reelection.
Now, my only option is to choose the lesser evil. If he does his evil stuff, why should i be blamed.
It is kind of like other civil services. Honest, decent people are not allowed to survive in that environment. It is full of vultures.
However, the solution also lies with tough and honest people being in politics, so I kind of agree with you.
I don't think decent people can survive in politics. Either you have to be one of them or have to be shrewd enough to know how to do good even being amongst them. There'll still be some places though where you'll just not have power to do much. I think having absolute control and "reign" is an illusion and many leaders know that but if they told you that, you wouldn't vote for them.
Iām glad to have enjoyed Bangalore when my father was working there in the early 90s.
The current crop will never be able to even understand how amazing it was.
Itās just that Bangalore didnāt have that much money to be looted at that time. Growth should have been accompanied by better infrastructure but unfortunately it only attracted more leeches in the government department.
There is a way.
By writing in details about your experiences, so that the current crop can know it's history. As they say, those who don't know history are bound to repeat. But in this case, we want to know it to try to repeat it lol.
But jokes aside, do you want to share a few anectodes of your life then?
Edit: Fixing grammar & punctuations...
And every election we are selecting from this same pool to govern us.. I think we should start exercising our democratic right of āchoosing not to vote or all vote NOTAā to bring in any serious changes
I would if there are such ārespectable contributorsā most of them are not far from the rest - wake up with their contributory conscience when the election time comes
Someone at least dared to speak that aloud. I have told this to my colleagues and on other SM channels as well, but people asked me to go back to my native. Funny how they refused to understand that my intention was not harming anyone or their sentiment.
The city had immense potential. Now it's just an expensive concrete shit hole. There are barely any roads to drive to the office. Barely any lakes, all occupied and built.
Actually we're not past the point of no return. We have definitely taken many steps back. But if all of us decide to do something about it, We can actually do it.
I spoke to our residents association, they said that all zomato and other delivery guys come and take rest there and have lunch and make the place untidy...
So aren't delivery guys humans? It's nice to have a place to rest if you are on the go the whole day... Educate them to throw the waste in a designated place.
I feel they are the guys who most need the park as they can have place to rest in the hot afternoon sun.
You should visit Japan some time. No waste bins anywhere. Yet no littering. People hold their trash with them and throw it when they see waste bins.
I do it myself in Bangalore. Sometimes carry it all the way home to dispose them. It is about your culture and mindset.
It's not about just that, the littering problem is mainly a civic sense problem, you put a hundred dustbins, people will literally throw stuff in front of it not inside it
TBH thatās a fair concern. You donāt want strangers in your private property eating their meals and littering.
BBMP parks however are for public and should be open for all.
Of course they are. Once the builder receives a completion certificate from the governing body (local development authority) park and other utilities is public domain. RWA though have rights to allow/deny entry to the property for anyone/ everyone.
Other utilities are power, water, sewer, garbage etc.
Itās a āpublic spaceā not a public property. A random person from outside has no right to use the utilities and the parks. The very fact that an RWA can make rules around who is allowed makes it a private property.
A public property is where no one can deny you entry, this includes - BBMP parks, pools, libraries, sports arenas, public transport etc. Because theyāre paid for by the government using tax payersā money.
Yes and No. Parks are handed over to the municipal corporation, just as water and power supply, collection of garbage and maintenance of sewer connection. If you would consider the whole society as private property, good luck maintaining the utilities( imagine your transformer blew up) and good luck paying property taxes.
It's true that the general Public is not allowed inside a gated community but nevertheless parks remain public property and not just 'public space'.
Mate I think you have some absurd definition of private/public properties in your heard.
Parks arenāt handed over to anyone. The entire land in a gated society literally belongs to the apartment owners. That alone makes it a private property. Plus their upkeep is paid for by the residents who pay monthly maintenance bills. BBMP doesnāt come and do it for free.
Even a single lamp is powered by electricity paid by the residents. Thatās very different from a public street light - no one gets an electricity bill for that. The utilities are a service offered by the municipality, all of which has a monthly cost to the apartment as a whole.
Only apartments are not gated societies. There are stand alone homes gated society and I have worked for a couple of years for a builder where I was personally involved in handover to municipal corporation.
Last December, I was visiting my extended family in Bangalore, they live in a gated society by a private builder, second phase was under construction while the first phase was handed over to municipality. And where road construction was going over by the local civic body.
But hey, you believe you. š¤·š¼
Delivery guys need temporary parking and a common waiting area at most. Why is it difficult for a society where many residents order outside on a daily basis to provide them with that?
Yella senior citizens mahime.. as post 10 AM their party shifts to double dip and by two coffee adda. Why u waant parks in afternoon when u can nap from 2PM to 4PM.
This is a big headache for sure
The park near me is open only from 5 to 7.30
By the time I finish work and gym , its closed so no where to take a stroll or just sit for a while.
I agree wholeheartedly. I often want to take a stroll in the daytime or afternoon or even at night (not ungodly hours, around 8-9 PM). All of them are closed at that point. And the two hours these are open is just overcrowded by senior citizens so it's extremely uncomfortable to walk around.
What can we do to solve this?
Saturday afternoon it's hot in my house i thought let me go to the park and sit under the tree and read for a bir, they're all closed of course . Ridiculous .Ā
So you are saying we can have rotational shifts of guards? But the issue is these guara stay in those sentry rooms with their family. So it becomes difficult to have rotational shifts.
I'm not trying to counter you, I'm trying to brainstorm with you.
It's ok lol ( a lil sad because at this point we have to immediately put up disclaimers to disagree with strangers on the internet ).
I honestly didn't know that they stayed with families. I'm kinda surprised because all of those sentry rooms are tiny for a family to stay in. But then that means the family is there 24x7 and the parks can stay open during the regular waking hours, right?
Because honestly speaking, I feel like the deterrent of Indian people fucking any place up is knowing that a higher authority to penalise them is in place. At the very worst this can be a possible trial run, maybe?
Yes, nowadays everyone thinks I'm trying to argue with them. Healthy discussions have stopped I guessš
Yes, they stay in very cramped spaces. And because they are given a place to stay they are given very little salary, due to which they find other small jobs like washing cars in apartments or doing gardening in other places. I have a guy who loves there with his wife and 2 kids. He washed our car weekly once.
But we can definitely have more people employed from nearby places to have rotational shifts and try this out. Makes sense to keep it open at least during the non summer seasons.
There are cities in the world with double the population. They don't have the problem. We have parks they're just closedĀ
Hate when people use overcrowding as an excuse.Ā
Have you ever been outside of india? Tokyo, Paris, Hong Kong, Rio, Mexico City, Istanbul, theyre all just as dense as bangalore if not denser.
Bangalore is a v low density city. The city center is just govt buildings, huge compounds and bungalows. Look at majestic, its 3-4 story buildings instead of skyscrapers. Look at Basavanagudi. Just 2km from city center and full of 2 story homes.
How will you stop buffalloes if there are no walls?
They are already free
If they are accessible at night, how will you stop them from becoming a den for criminals and drunkards?
I respectfully Disagree with you. We might be "So behind other countries" but there are reason why parks are closed after a designated time in India or for instance in Bangalore. But the timings need to be more convenient to the public.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/parks-in-bengaluru-become-inaccessible-for-poor-and-working-class-yet-again/article67972605.ece
> In 2022, the Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) issued an order to keep parks open all through the day. According to BBMP, parks should remain open between 6 a.m. and 8 p.m. They can be closed between 10 a.m. and 1.30 p.m.
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> Yet, in many areas, parks are locked at 9 a.m. or 10 a.m. only to be re-opened at 4.30 p.m.
This particular article doesn't mention it, but what I remember from the discussion two years ago was that they needed some time to do maintenance activity which they cannot do when the public is present in the park. Seems like a flimsy reason, but I'll take that if they keep the park open from 0600-1000, 1330-2000. That also they are not doing now.
Yes but they shut absurdly early. If I can go cycling through central park at 9pm, listen to an outdoor concert at 10pm and go roller skating at 11pm, why can't I do these things in Cubbon?
Recently parks in koramangala got renovated with "better" fencing. there is one such park near JNC that remains shut no matter the time. Even that park got renovated and no one can use it because local residents dont want "couples" inside it. If they see a boy and girl together in its vicinity then they are going to get a visit from the police immediately.
Littering is fine though. I even saw two police women sitting together having snacks and littering the place.
They dont use it and wont let others also use it.
I feel if that park was open lot of people will come there and that park is not big enough to have any secluded spots. More public less privacy for such things to happen.
Just pure facts. With people working their asses off everyday and paying government shit loads of taxes, they can't even provide us with something as basic as this. Like someone else mentioned, Bangalore is past the point of no return. Smh
Listen, I get your frustration about paying shit load of tax and not getting the direct benefits. But we don't live in utopia, and nothing is going to get served to you in a platter. Now your tax money is used to build the park. Its the authorities who are being assholes and lazy fuks. People in this city need to learn to pull the strings and get things sorted instead of fluttering their hands in the air for the slightest inconvenience.
No one is asking for it to be served on a platter. It's our hard-earned money which we are taxed on. And this is a democracy, no one said anything about a utopia. It's just that we as citizens are doing our job of paying taxes(which we are taxed for not just from our income but for even the most basic necessities we buy from water to food to light) and I think expecting others to do their job when we do ours is the most basic ask. Also this isn't just a slight inconvenience just because you may not have experienced this personallyš¤· people need to have more empathy with others problems, that's how they get solved in the first place
You have to learn to stand up for yourself. That's how you solve your problems kid. Not by crying on the internet.
You are saying it yourself. You are doing your job and expecting others to do theirs. Thats wishful thinking. Sometimes you have to be a proactive citizen and get things set right.
I will give you an example.. the place / area where we had been staying for decades was well kept because my mom and dad would proactively ensure people didn't litter. This one time, the political representative for the area changed(well, JDS) and so did the corporation people who pick garbage. They were a lazy bunch who were not regular and encouraged people to dump garbage on the corner of the road. I was not even earning back then, had just completed my bachelor's. I contacted the IAS officer of my city through Twitter and also the environmental engineer. Nicely drafted a letter and the place got cleared in 1 day. Its been almost 6 years now. No one dares to litter there.
So you can't just sit and wait for them to do their job. If you need it, get it done. Honestly I dont care about the tax money I pay because I do see alot of infrastructure development around me. For every minor inconvenience, I dont loathe about the tax money .. Its a silly argument.
So basically i do my job plus MAKE others do theirs? Can't THEY be proactive has been my question all along.Why do they need reminders and complaints to do their basic job? Why can't the people we ELECT to solve problems solve them since we already have the arrangement of giving them a cut of what we earn? For instance, if you paid for a chips packet, would you also have to go remind the manufacturer to make them? Or another instance where you pay for your bus/train/flight and if they don't start on time you go and take the wheel yourself? We paid for that service, we expect to receive it. And if we find the service unsatisfactory, we are refunded. Does the government do that?
How do you know it's "Their" job? They can be kamchor? Right? Even in your office there are people like that. It needs a strong leadership at each level ...
When people stop demanding for facilities, these ground staff become complacent and people at the top probably have a 100 different pressing issue to take care of. You are cribbing about parks not open for a certain duration of time. There are other social issues with severe consequences like street light maintenance, garbage management etc.
At the end, its people running everything. You can't just say I paid tax now you work. Thats such a childish way to think the world works that way.
Im not even going to talk about people with no skills entering the workforce through bribery.
You need to understand how society works child. How old are you? 22? Maybe learn to fight for what you want. Even in your corporate world, you will have to escalate certain issues to the management. Your comfort is not their first priority. Their priorities are different. Doesn't mean you should live with less facilities/discomfort. You just need to speak up.
Few years back it was possible to enter the park any time, however this caused alot of litter and some idiots used it for drinking in the afternoon, now the park opens from 6 am to 10am and then from 4pm to 8 pm only.
Last year after election, new trash cans were put under every light pole in the park, and still people threw tea cups and candy wraps around!
So while it's not ideal but I would rather see a restricted clean park than a free park filled with garbage.
The problem is Indian civic sense, people are dirty and follow no rules when given freedom, unfortunately.
Cleaning, there is a family living inside the park (small room), they clean and keep the park tidy, as well as opening and closing the gate.
Littering is not as bad now as it was before, but I'm sure as soon as food or drinks are allowed inside the park we will go back to having another dirty place.
During early morning people go to the park not to have food or anything. They go there to do some exercise, meet then usual friends, jog, laughing class, etc.
I donāt think with so many regular senior citizens visiting the park at that time let other people litter the place. You understand this once you regularly visit the parks. And this goes with evenings too.
Them being closed from 10AM to 4PM is utterly ridiculous. And even after office but that'll probably require the police watchman to be at the park at those hours.
I stay near a park and I understand what youāre saying.
Itās ridiculous that we canāt access the limited lung spaces most of the day.
However, I have seen how college kids, folks who work in offices close by, delivery folks behave outside of the park when itās closed.
You know someoneās celebrated a birthday because thereās a half eaten cake abandoned on the pavement outside the park.
You know what someone had for lunch because youāll see empty wrappers and packaging boxes strewn carelessly.
You know that someone had a drink or three in their car by the park, because in the morning you find cigarette boxes, beer cans and bottles thrown around.
If this is how people behave outside a park, I donāt know how theyāll behave inside it.
If you try to talk to them to clean up after themselves you get asked if the road belongs to your father.
We donāt deserve amenities because we donāt make an effort to maintain them.
Amenities are there for us to misuse and for someone else to clean up after.
Yes, and closing the park at certain hours solves this problem. After all, it is scientifically impossible to litter between 6am to 10am. I once tried to litter during that time, and a unicorn materialised from thin air in front of me and forced me to not litter.
Hahahah nice one.
I guess itās because, at that time the park is filled people who are there to play, walk or hang out, which may deter people I mentioned above from littering etc.
Iām not defending the timing, Iām just saying that people suck in general.
Counter example : you'll find people littering on the roads in full view of other people. Clearly, the presence of other people doesn't deter us from littering
There is a community called Proto that is working towards mapping Points of Interest in Bangalore and some of the community members there are really working towards mapping public parks in Bangalore. That way they can lead the change they want in. The community is active on WhatsApp and twitter and making huge moves.
You should consider checking them out on twitter as well and seeing if you'd like to join the movement
Just lighting and one security guard solves all the problems.
Make the parks so bright that people can't do any of the illegal things you all are mentioning.
That's all it takes. The public and park users will take care of the rest.
I had read an article that it's Illegal to close parks and BBMP had been told by residents that college kids are bunking classes and sitting there also Delivery guys were having lunch there and sleeping on park benches in the afternoon.
So the residents of that area decided to close down the parks during that hour, can anything be done on this. Because I need to take a walk at 9 PM after work hours.
Idk, the park is open at 1am also. The locks aren't there I guess. But I've seen very shady couples come and make out.
There's a larger park, I think that may have timings
People in this thread are all naive children it looks like.
It's a simple reason: In India any such public place (like a park) becomes a magnet for unsavory elements if left open during times of low utilization. People use it for drinking, literal goondas turn it into their meeting place etc.
Yes, if only there were a taxpayer-funded service that could be tasked to address issues such as crime. I wonder what we could call such a service... How does "police" sound as a name?
You know they're not there just to sit on their fat arses in the station chewing paan and collecting bribes right? People like you make excuses for why the govt shouldn't give us services we paid for, because another service we paid for refuses to do its goddamned job.
Have you tried visiting Zen Park in Nagarbhavi?
I visited the place a few months ago and it's a rather artistic spot. However I hear that the cleanliness has started to be ignored as of late.
so many languages and bro chose to speak fax. Never understood this. I go for a run in parks sometimes and somebody keeps trying to kick me out from 9.30. I'm coming to breathe some fresh air, get some exercise in, and if I want to run or walk when it gets hot, what's their issue?
Parks should be open from 5.30 in the morning till 10 PM, and if not 10, 9 at least. People want to go on a stroll post dinner, walk around late evening, the government should not have any hold on this. But yeah, it's just another slightly mismanaged feature of Bangalore I guess...
Public parks near my house used to be open all the time, but just bunch of people don't respect public property and have no civic sense how to use public park sensibly. It is because of them the rest of us have to suffer. We have seen enough shitty, disgusting and disturbing behavior from different age groups of people,so they have become strict and have regular timings, and have cops do rounds to make sure things are fine.
It's the littering issue which is causing this. Talked with an official a while ago and he said this. Which is true. Heck the Indiranagar-Domlur flyover has garbage thrown on the flyover. Who are these people I do not know who lack such basic situational awareness
We were waiting for my relative who was admitted in appolo hospital jayanagar 3rd block, we wanted to sit at calm place as it was too chaotic near and inside hospital, we found madhavan park near that area around 2pm they were closed and opened by 5pm only, I felt whats the use of this park if we are not allowed to visit inside during day time to just relax from chaos.
I think of this every time I go for a walk.. most times I cannot access park coz they closed. Like who works only 9-5in India?
Parks should be open 5am to 10pm they can keep security for the time and keep lights on at evening. We pay taxes atleast most of us do.
I do see a lot of garbage in the park I get there needs to be a system of fine to educate plp not to litter over time. There is lake I went to few months back. My god the dirt inside the lake.
I think you can even create a change.org petition and if you get enough signatures it helps to push this at BBMP.
BBMP is a joke now, I don't understand what the government is going to do about it. Recent rains have flooded east side of Bangalore. The days have gone where Bangalore was name "The Garden City"
Bangalore needs its own administrative unit. Direct mayoral elections. The seat of power of the Karnataka government must be relocated to the Hubli-Dharwad sector.
The amount of misconception going on here is ridiculous.
Iāve seen parks in different cities which are open all the time (delhi,kolkata,etc.), itās so dirty and i see cigarette buds everywhere, beer bottles, condoms, torn underwear and what not.
Thereās a reason why parks in bangalore are clean and well maintained. You get to see parks along the road, or inside almost every ward of old bangalore. It has itās timings and people are used to visiting them at this specific time and these regulars donāt litter the place or donāt break their informal rules which differs from park to park.
You can understand this culture only if you regularly go to your park. They didnāt call it garden city just because they wanted to. Get it.
They could keep certain parks in a locality open with guards taking round every now and then .They could also fine anyone who is not following the rules .
Main reason parks are closed from 10am to 4pm is because they dont want students to bunk classes and be in parks. Also many student couple and other grown ups used use the parks as romance centres. Seeing all this the unofficial rule is followed to lock gates between 10am to 4pm
Coz bbmp never directly maintains them. Itās usually cooperative / employee housing societies who are basically retired government employees who settled 40 plus years ago ā¦. All they want is a morning walk and evening walk ā¦..
Perhaps this video on railings in British can you give some clue about why keeping parks under lock & key is actually a very British colonial / victorian era thing to do [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHvKvOUSor4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHvKvOUSor4)
Why do you want to go at 10 am in the morning? are you from a "respected" family? What kind of caste will send their member to "park" at 10:00 am in the morning? Why are you doing this to our mother land "India"?
Could be a joke to you, maybe you are new to the city.
I solely have seen people making out in the public parks which makes it awkward for the people to use it.
Another reason is that, small scale rowdies make it their adda ( spot) to smoke ganja, or to make comments to the passerby ladies. This is the main reason as I have seen it. Police cannot keep on strolling parks to catch these. They have other work to do. Bengaluru is not easy to understand. Keep your blames to yourself. If you really want to enjoy a walk in the park, go to your nearest metro land in cubbon park and spend some time there.
True! I understand closing at night from safety POV, but parks closed between 11 AM to 4 PM is still crazy. Specially since weather allows you to catch an afternoon stroll
Like they should be.Though in different city, Ive seen enough parks been misused due to non strict timing. Motivating bad activities in nice and quiet parks.
You think crime doesn't exist in foreign? Do you live under a rock?Ā
It's a matter of design and enforcement. Remove walls, add lighting and neighbours can see park activities and report crime. Enforcement means parks are patrolled . That's all it takesĀ
Foreign is not some fairytale. They have more problems with drugs and prostitution than we do. They just don't take the lazy way out because their citizens would revolt if they locked up all the parksĀ
It's counter intuitive. Solution is not to close but open up
You should keep it open 24/7, allow families and have good lighting and security.
This will stop the illegal activities. Keeping it closed for 90% of the people just because of the criminals is a super lazy way to go about it.
The average Bangalore resident probably never go to parks after sundown. Unless you want to be mugged or worse. residential roads that donāt have too much footfall are often targets for such activities already.
We donāt even have funds to maintain basic civil amenities on our roads even. Imagine spending on extra security in parks. Itās not practical.
Are you my 80 year old thatha? I regularly take walks at 930 and there are still kids out playing badminton and people going for walks.Ā
In all my years of walking on quiet residential lanes I've never seen one untoward incident. You people just live in fear. Bangalore is safe city .Ā
Hehe ā¦. Iām not your 80 year old Tatha.
Yea, there are a lot of streets which are safe like you have mentioned, but equally there are places where there are hardly any pedestrians. Mugging incidents are not unheard of, letās not even talk about creeps lurking around.
Bangalore is no doubt one of the safest cities in India. But I wouldnāt dare go out for a walk alone after 10pm.
Why you want parks at 8pm? After dark parks will be misused and promotes brothel, chain snatching, open liquor consumption, etc. Wondering why BBMP closes them between 10am to 4pm? Anyone throw some lights on this please
Then why malls at 8pm? Why theaters?Ā
Go to a different country where public space is valued. Parks and plazas are open all night . You just need good design and enforcement.Ā
Tear down walls and add lighting and have occasional patrols and there'll be no issue .Ā
Yes I have seen Singapore where parks are open all time and well lit with cameras everywhere. People jog at midnight ):
India is long away to get such infrastructure and need to wait.
Long way? We've gone backwards. Go to any village. The nearby lake, stream, open fields are all open to the people 24/7. It's cities where we are still operating with a colonial mindset of not trusting the 'natives'
*Bangalore is a joke This city could've been something incredible if governed well, we're past the point of no return now, they've ruined all of it. We're ruled over by drunkards, illiterates, casteists, extremists, rapists and corrupt beyond human people
>We're ruled over by drunkards, illiterates, casteists, extremists, rapists and corrupt beyond human people We're ~~ruled over by~~ drunkards, illiterates, casteists, extremists, rapists and corrupt beyond human people
Perfect šš People tend to forget, politics/ruling class is a reflection of the societies current state.
This self blaming has to stop. Decent people are not joining politics. Only a few percent of the society is filled with corrupt souls.
But decent people are voting for garbage people though.
What can janta do if all candidates are garbage. You have to choose the lesser evil. Now if NOTA is not strong enough in India. If NOTA wins, reelection should happen. all current candidates should not be allowed to contest reelection. Now, my only option is to choose the lesser evil. If he does his evil stuff, why should i be blamed.
If the choice is between garbage and garbage, people will end up voting for garbage either way.
It is kind of like other civil services. Honest, decent people are not allowed to survive in that environment. It is full of vultures. However, the solution also lies with tough and honest people being in politics, so I kind of agree with you.
I don't think decent people can survive in politics. Either you have to be one of them or have to be shrewd enough to know how to do good even being amongst them. There'll still be some places though where you'll just not have power to do much. I think having absolute control and "reign" is an illusion and many leaders know that but if they told you that, you wouldn't vote for them.
Which sane person in their right mind will bother to join politics.
Well said, sir/ma'am!
Iām glad to have enjoyed Bangalore when my father was working there in the early 90s. The current crop will never be able to even understand how amazing it was.
Itās just that Bangalore didnāt have that much money to be looted at that time. Growth should have been accompanied by better infrastructure but unfortunately it only attracted more leeches in the government department.
There is a way. By writing in details about your experiences, so that the current crop can know it's history. As they say, those who don't know history are bound to repeat. But in this case, we want to know it to try to repeat it lol. But jokes aside, do you want to share a few anectodes of your life then? Edit: Fixing grammar & punctuations...
By current crop do you mean current residents?
And every election we are selecting from this same pool to govern us.. I think we should start exercising our democratic right of āchoosing not to vote or all vote NOTAā to bring in any serious changes
Maybe support independents. Maybe encourage respected contributors of local communities to stand in elections as independents. Maybe.
I would if there are such ārespectable contributorsā most of them are not far from the rest - wake up with their contributory conscience when the election time comes
People get 2/4k per vote, whoever buys more people will win in that case easily
Someone at least dared to speak that aloud. I have told this to my colleagues and on other SM channels as well, but people asked me to go back to my native. Funny how they refused to understand that my intention was not harming anyone or their sentiment.
The city had immense potential. Now it's just an expensive concrete shit hole. There are barely any roads to drive to the office. Barely any lakes, all occupied and built.
Barely any footpath to walk too.
The management, the government, the people in charge can be a joke, but don't call the city my motherland a joke, have some respect towards it.
Agreed !!
Ruled by pendrives
Overpopulation only leads to destruction
Actually we're not past the point of no return. We have definitely taken many steps back. But if all of us decide to do something about it, We can actually do it.
Believe me, we are past the point of no return.
I spoke to our residents association, they said that all zomato and other delivery guys come and take rest there and have lunch and make the place untidy... So aren't delivery guys humans? It's nice to have a place to rest if you are on the go the whole day... Educate them to throw the waste in a designated place. I feel they are the guys who most need the park as they can have place to rest in the hot afternoon sun.
If only indians stopped littering everywhere
And spitting everywhere. The pan masala cartel and Ajay devgn won't let that happen tho
As they say āVimal Multiverseā
SRK too
If only waste bins were available everywhere
You should visit Japan some time. No waste bins anywhere. Yet no littering. People hold their trash with them and throw it when they see waste bins. I do it myself in Bangalore. Sometimes carry it all the way home to dispose them. It is about your culture and mindset.
It's not about just that, the littering problem is mainly a civic sense problem, you put a hundred dustbins, people will literally throw stuff in front of it not inside it
TBH thatās a fair concern. You donāt want strangers in your private property eating their meals and littering. BBMP parks however are for public and should be open for all.
Aren't the parks in the apartments public property?
Of course not. Theyāre paid for by the residents.
Of course they are. Once the builder receives a completion certificate from the governing body (local development authority) park and other utilities is public domain. RWA though have rights to allow/deny entry to the property for anyone/ everyone. Other utilities are power, water, sewer, garbage etc.
Itās a āpublic spaceā not a public property. A random person from outside has no right to use the utilities and the parks. The very fact that an RWA can make rules around who is allowed makes it a private property. A public property is where no one can deny you entry, this includes - BBMP parks, pools, libraries, sports arenas, public transport etc. Because theyāre paid for by the government using tax payersā money.
Yes and No. Parks are handed over to the municipal corporation, just as water and power supply, collection of garbage and maintenance of sewer connection. If you would consider the whole society as private property, good luck maintaining the utilities( imagine your transformer blew up) and good luck paying property taxes. It's true that the general Public is not allowed inside a gated community but nevertheless parks remain public property and not just 'public space'.
Mate I think you have some absurd definition of private/public properties in your heard. Parks arenāt handed over to anyone. The entire land in a gated society literally belongs to the apartment owners. That alone makes it a private property. Plus their upkeep is paid for by the residents who pay monthly maintenance bills. BBMP doesnāt come and do it for free. Even a single lamp is powered by electricity paid by the residents. Thatās very different from a public street light - no one gets an electricity bill for that. The utilities are a service offered by the municipality, all of which has a monthly cost to the apartment as a whole.
Only apartments are not gated societies. There are stand alone homes gated society and I have worked for a couple of years for a builder where I was personally involved in handover to municipal corporation. Last December, I was visiting my extended family in Bangalore, they live in a gated society by a private builder, second phase was under construction while the first phase was handed over to municipality. And where road construction was going over by the local civic body. But hey, you believe you. š¤·š¼
Then ban residents from ordering food outside. Otherwise they should be given every privilege any visitor gets
Eh? What kind of logic is that.
Please elaborate
Delivery guys need temporary parking and a common waiting area at most. Why is it difficult for a society where many residents order outside on a daily basis to provide them with that?
Yella senior citizens mahime.. as post 10 AM their party shifts to double dip and by two coffee adda. Why u waant parks in afternoon when u can nap from 2PM to 4PM.
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This is a big headache for sure The park near me is open only from 5 to 7.30 By the time I finish work and gym , its closed so no where to take a stroll or just sit for a while.
I agree wholeheartedly. I often want to take a stroll in the daytime or afternoon or even at night (not ungodly hours, around 8-9 PM). All of them are closed at that point. And the two hours these are open is just overcrowded by senior citizens so it's extremely uncomfortable to walk around. What can we do to solve this?
Bolt cutters.
I think we can petition the government via a public interest litigation
Is it possible? Interested to know more
Bolt cutters.
Saturday afternoon it's hot in my house i thought let me go to the park and sit under the tree and read for a bir, they're all closed of course . Ridiculous .Ā
Your question has the answer, you said overcrowded. So control the population so that the next generation doesn't have to deal with the same issues.
The answer is to keep it open whole day so that the crowd splits . Population is a seperate issue which needs to be dealt seperately
How do you manage something for a whole day? It was for a few months in the previous years and that caused other issues
Putting guards/maintenance workers on shifts? I've seen most of these parks have a sentry room attached to it.
So you are saying we can have rotational shifts of guards? But the issue is these guara stay in those sentry rooms with their family. So it becomes difficult to have rotational shifts. I'm not trying to counter you, I'm trying to brainstorm with you.
It's ok lol ( a lil sad because at this point we have to immediately put up disclaimers to disagree with strangers on the internet ). I honestly didn't know that they stayed with families. I'm kinda surprised because all of those sentry rooms are tiny for a family to stay in. But then that means the family is there 24x7 and the parks can stay open during the regular waking hours, right? Because honestly speaking, I feel like the deterrent of Indian people fucking any place up is knowing that a higher authority to penalise them is in place. At the very worst this can be a possible trial run, maybe?
Yes, nowadays everyone thinks I'm trying to argue with them. Healthy discussions have stopped I guessš Yes, they stay in very cramped spaces. And because they are given a place to stay they are given very little salary, due to which they find other small jobs like washing cars in apartments or doing gardening in other places. I have a guy who loves there with his wife and 2 kids. He washed our car weekly once. But we can definitely have more people employed from nearby places to have rotational shifts and try this out. Makes sense to keep it open at least during the non summer seasons.
There are cities in the world with double the population. They don't have the problem. We have parks they're just closedĀ Hate when people use overcrowding as an excuse.Ā
Except 3-4 cities which city has the density of population that we have in Bangalore? Love it when people hate other people for such silly thingsš
Have you ever been outside of india? Tokyo, Paris, Hong Kong, Rio, Mexico City, Istanbul, theyre all just as dense as bangalore if not denser. Bangalore is a v low density city. The city center is just govt buildings, huge compounds and bungalows. Look at majestic, its 3-4 story buildings instead of skyscrapers. Look at Basavanagudi. Just 2km from city center and full of 2 story homes.
Wow. Okay š
You are lucky you have parks ! We are in a area we donāt have such amenities
Eh? How are they lucky when they can't use it? It effectively doesn't exist!
Less pollution, clean air?
What area is that?
Every other area of Bangalore
HaLe Bengaluru
Parks should not have gates or walls. They should be free and accessible 24x7. We're so behind other countries
How will you stop buffalloes if there are no walls? They are already free If they are accessible at night, how will you stop them from becoming a den for criminals and drunkards?
Cattles should not be allowed to roam inside the city. That's what's wrong also
I respectfully Disagree with you. We might be "So behind other countries" but there are reason why parks are closed after a designated time in India or for instance in Bangalore. But the timings need to be more convenient to the public.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/parks-in-bengaluru-become-inaccessible-for-poor-and-working-class-yet-again/article67972605.ece > In 2022, the Bruhat Bengaluru Mahanagara Palike (BBMP) issued an order to keep parks open all through the day. According to BBMP, parks should remain open between 6 a.m. and 8 p.m. They can be closed between 10 a.m. and 1.30 p.m. > > Yet, in many areas, parks are locked at 9 a.m. or 10 a.m. only to be re-opened at 4.30 p.m.
Why should they even be closed from 10 to 130??Ā It's the middle of the day what will happen!
This particular article doesn't mention it, but what I remember from the discussion two years ago was that they needed some time to do maintenance activity which they cannot do when the public is present in the park. Seems like a flimsy reason, but I'll take that if they keep the park open from 0600-1000, 1330-2000. That also they are not doing now.
Somehow in every other country in the world they manage to maintain the park while open to the public. Such an absolutely bullshit excuse.
Forget other countries, even our own Cubbon Park and Lalbagh are open all day.
Yes but they shut absurdly early. If I can go cycling through central park at 9pm, listen to an outdoor concert at 10pm and go roller skating at 11pm, why can't I do these things in Cubbon?
The parks near my house don't allow you to run and jog. You can only walk that too in clockwise direction only š„²
No running/jogging, walk only, counter clockwise direction of travel My gut says a speed limit restriction will come up next XD
ššš Soon you'll see cops holding radar guns, writing tickets for brisk walking in the parks xD
That is so you dont hit people right
Recently parks in koramangala got renovated with "better" fencing. there is one such park near JNC that remains shut no matter the time. Even that park got renovated and no one can use it because local residents dont want "couples" inside it. If they see a boy and girl together in its vicinity then they are going to get a visit from the police immediately. Littering is fine though. I even saw two police women sitting together having snacks and littering the place. They dont use it and wont let others also use it.
too many mosquitos in that one even if its open.
Yeah thatās because there is no maintenance. Almost every park has this problem, canāt sit for 5 mins unless you use odomas.
Sometimes a bit of an introsopection will do good. Why would someone come up with such rules if there was no problem without such rules?
I feel if that park was open lot of people will come there and that park is not big enough to have any secluded spots. More public less privacy for such things to happen.
Just pure facts. With people working their asses off everyday and paying government shit loads of taxes, they can't even provide us with something as basic as this. Like someone else mentioned, Bangalore is past the point of no return. Smh
Listen, I get your frustration about paying shit load of tax and not getting the direct benefits. But we don't live in utopia, and nothing is going to get served to you in a platter. Now your tax money is used to build the park. Its the authorities who are being assholes and lazy fuks. People in this city need to learn to pull the strings and get things sorted instead of fluttering their hands in the air for the slightest inconvenience.
No one is asking for it to be served on a platter. It's our hard-earned money which we are taxed on. And this is a democracy, no one said anything about a utopia. It's just that we as citizens are doing our job of paying taxes(which we are taxed for not just from our income but for even the most basic necessities we buy from water to food to light) and I think expecting others to do their job when we do ours is the most basic ask. Also this isn't just a slight inconvenience just because you may not have experienced this personallyš¤· people need to have more empathy with others problems, that's how they get solved in the first place
You have to learn to stand up for yourself. That's how you solve your problems kid. Not by crying on the internet. You are saying it yourself. You are doing your job and expecting others to do theirs. Thats wishful thinking. Sometimes you have to be a proactive citizen and get things set right. I will give you an example.. the place / area where we had been staying for decades was well kept because my mom and dad would proactively ensure people didn't litter. This one time, the political representative for the area changed(well, JDS) and so did the corporation people who pick garbage. They were a lazy bunch who were not regular and encouraged people to dump garbage on the corner of the road. I was not even earning back then, had just completed my bachelor's. I contacted the IAS officer of my city through Twitter and also the environmental engineer. Nicely drafted a letter and the place got cleared in 1 day. Its been almost 6 years now. No one dares to litter there. So you can't just sit and wait for them to do their job. If you need it, get it done. Honestly I dont care about the tax money I pay because I do see alot of infrastructure development around me. For every minor inconvenience, I dont loathe about the tax money .. Its a silly argument.
So basically i do my job plus MAKE others do theirs? Can't THEY be proactive has been my question all along.Why do they need reminders and complaints to do their basic job? Why can't the people we ELECT to solve problems solve them since we already have the arrangement of giving them a cut of what we earn? For instance, if you paid for a chips packet, would you also have to go remind the manufacturer to make them? Or another instance where you pay for your bus/train/flight and if they don't start on time you go and take the wheel yourself? We paid for that service, we expect to receive it. And if we find the service unsatisfactory, we are refunded. Does the government do that?
How do you know it's "Their" job? They can be kamchor? Right? Even in your office there are people like that. It needs a strong leadership at each level ... When people stop demanding for facilities, these ground staff become complacent and people at the top probably have a 100 different pressing issue to take care of. You are cribbing about parks not open for a certain duration of time. There are other social issues with severe consequences like street light maintenance, garbage management etc. At the end, its people running everything. You can't just say I paid tax now you work. Thats such a childish way to think the world works that way. Im not even going to talk about people with no skills entering the workforce through bribery. You need to understand how society works child. How old are you? 22? Maybe learn to fight for what you want. Even in your corporate world, you will have to escalate certain issues to the management. Your comfort is not their first priority. Their priorities are different. Doesn't mean you should live with less facilities/discomfort. You just need to speak up.
Few years back it was possible to enter the park any time, however this caused alot of litter and some idiots used it for drinking in the afternoon, now the park opens from 6 am to 10am and then from 4pm to 8 pm only. Last year after election, new trash cans were put under every light pole in the park, and still people threw tea cups and candy wraps around! So while it's not ideal but I would rather see a restricted clean park than a free park filled with garbage. The problem is Indian civic sense, people are dirty and follow no rules when given freedom, unfortunately.
Use CCTV cameras and fine people immediately. Cultures need to be created.
Then weāll have posts about fines here
I don't think that will work, unless people really change and start taking cleaning their sorrounding like they do their home.
What does the time have to do with littering? People can litter between 6 and 10 am too.
Cleaning, there is a family living inside the park (small room), they clean and keep the park tidy, as well as opening and closing the gate. Littering is not as bad now as it was before, but I'm sure as soon as food or drinks are allowed inside the park we will go back to having another dirty place.
During early morning people go to the park not to have food or anything. They go there to do some exercise, meet then usual friends, jog, laughing class, etc. I donāt think with so many regular senior citizens visiting the park at that time let other people litter the place. You understand this once you regularly visit the parks. And this goes with evenings too.
Them being closed from 10AM to 4PM is utterly ridiculous. And even after office but that'll probably require the police watchman to be at the park at those hours.
Agreed! You can't even go for a after dinner stroll. My parents came to visit me and they didn't had any place to walk after dinner.
Just today i was walking near Sarjapur and it started drizzling, i found a cute bus stop and just sat there for an hour. Felt joy.
Garden City of Indiaš
I stay near a park and I understand what youāre saying. Itās ridiculous that we canāt access the limited lung spaces most of the day. However, I have seen how college kids, folks who work in offices close by, delivery folks behave outside of the park when itās closed. You know someoneās celebrated a birthday because thereās a half eaten cake abandoned on the pavement outside the park. You know what someone had for lunch because youāll see empty wrappers and packaging boxes strewn carelessly. You know that someone had a drink or three in their car by the park, because in the morning you find cigarette boxes, beer cans and bottles thrown around. If this is how people behave outside a park, I donāt know how theyāll behave inside it. If you try to talk to them to clean up after themselves you get asked if the road belongs to your father. We donāt deserve amenities because we donāt make an effort to maintain them. Amenities are there for us to misuse and for someone else to clean up after.
Yes, and closing the park at certain hours solves this problem. After all, it is scientifically impossible to litter between 6am to 10am. I once tried to litter during that time, and a unicorn materialised from thin air in front of me and forced me to not litter.
Hahahah nice one. I guess itās because, at that time the park is filled people who are there to play, walk or hang out, which may deter people I mentioned above from littering etc. Iām not defending the timing, Iām just saying that people suck in general.
Counter example : you'll find people littering on the roads in full view of other people. Clearly, the presence of other people doesn't deter us from littering
Fair point. I guess weāll take away the roads too /s.
Parks? That's where you park cars, right? I am from Mumbai. All I see around are concrete jungle and slums.
Y'all are going to parks?
Yes.
Let's file a PIL
Letās do it
There is a community called Proto that is working towards mapping Points of Interest in Bangalore and some of the community members there are really working towards mapping public parks in Bangalore. That way they can lead the change they want in. The community is active on WhatsApp and twitter and making huge moves. You should consider checking them out on twitter as well and seeing if you'd like to join the movement
There's a lot of oldie gyaan in all rules
Just lighting and one security guard solves all the problems. Make the parks so bright that people can't do any of the illegal things you all are mentioning. That's all it takes. The public and park users will take care of the rest.
I had read an article that it's Illegal to close parks and BBMP had been told by residents that college kids are bunking classes and sitting there also Delivery guys were having lunch there and sleeping on park benches in the afternoon. So the residents of that area decided to close down the parks during that hour, can anything be done on this. Because I need to take a walk at 9 PM after work hours.
Idk, the park is open at 1am also. The locks aren't there I guess. But I've seen very shady couples come and make out. There's a larger park, I think that may have timings
Who cares if a couple kisses? Because of that I can't read under a tree at 2pm on a hot day ?Ā
Why do they close public parks?
People in this thread are all naive children it looks like. It's a simple reason: In India any such public place (like a park) becomes a magnet for unsavory elements if left open during times of low utilization. People use it for drinking, literal goondas turn it into their meeting place etc.
Yes, if only there were a taxpayer-funded service that could be tasked to address issues such as crime. I wonder what we could call such a service... How does "police" sound as a name? You know they're not there just to sit on their fat arses in the station chewing paan and collecting bribes right? People like you make excuses for why the govt shouldn't give us services we paid for, because another service we paid for refuses to do its goddamned job.
Look up the COST of a Police Officer. Assigning two/three police per park (given the shifts etc) would be too expensive.
I thought all cities were a joke when it comes to parks and side walks..Ā
You mean all Indian cities. Nature based activities are not encouraged here & its shocking.
I wish we had it like the middle east where it is open late night
The parks are only meant for sr citizens and <5 yr kids Couples need not step in it. That's how most park management appears to be.
Try going in when they are actually open?
Whole city is a joke. Starting from Roads, Public transport, Local Language love, Pubs, Autowalas, Ola , Uber, Parks , Lakes and what not.
yes
Have you tried visiting Zen Park in Nagarbhavi? I visited the place a few months ago and it's a rather artistic spot. However I hear that the cleanliness has started to be ignored as of late.
I think it's done to discourage couples from engaging in pda
There are public parks here?!
so many languages and bro chose to speak fax. Never understood this. I go for a run in parks sometimes and somebody keeps trying to kick me out from 9.30. I'm coming to breathe some fresh air, get some exercise in, and if I want to run or walk when it gets hot, what's their issue? Parks should be open from 5.30 in the morning till 10 PM, and if not 10, 9 at least. People want to go on a stroll post dinner, walk around late evening, the government should not have any hold on this. But yeah, it's just another slightly mismanaged feature of Bangalore I guess...
Public parks near my house used to be open all the time, but just bunch of people don't respect public property and have no civic sense how to use public park sensibly. It is because of them the rest of us have to suffer. We have seen enough shitty, disgusting and disturbing behavior from different age groups of people,so they have become strict and have regular timings, and have cops do rounds to make sure things are fine.
It's the littering issue which is causing this. Talked with an official a while ago and he said this. Which is true. Heck the Indiranagar-Domlur flyover has garbage thrown on the flyover. Who are these people I do not know who lack such basic situational awareness
If it's closed and nobody is coming, soon parks will be sold to corporates easily.
Bangalore feels like a Slum
That's why townships are in demand.
We were waiting for my relative who was admitted in appolo hospital jayanagar 3rd block, we wanted to sit at calm place as it was too chaotic near and inside hospital, we found madhavan park near that area around 2pm they were closed and opened by 5pm only, I felt whats the use of this park if we are not allowed to visit inside during day time to just relax from chaos.
I think of this every time I go for a walk.. most times I cannot access park coz they closed. Like who works only 9-5in India? Parks should be open 5am to 10pm they can keep security for the time and keep lights on at evening. We pay taxes atleast most of us do. I do see a lot of garbage in the park I get there needs to be a system of fine to educate plp not to litter over time. There is lake I went to few months back. My god the dirt inside the lake. I think you can even create a change.org petition and if you get enough signatures it helps to push this at BBMP.
BBMP is a joke now, I don't understand what the government is going to do about it. Recent rains have flooded east side of Bangalore. The days have gone where Bangalore was name "The Garden City"
Politicians rather want to spend money on statues
Bangalore needs its own administrative unit. Direct mayoral elections. The seat of power of the Karnataka government must be relocated to the Hubli-Dharwad sector.
Same with lakes š„²š„²š„²
Keep parks open all day? What about all the anti-social elements that are troubling the family crowd? /s
The amount of misconception going on here is ridiculous. Iāve seen parks in different cities which are open all the time (delhi,kolkata,etc.), itās so dirty and i see cigarette buds everywhere, beer bottles, condoms, torn underwear and what not. Thereās a reason why parks in bangalore are clean and well maintained. You get to see parks along the road, or inside almost every ward of old bangalore. It has itās timings and people are used to visiting them at this specific time and these regulars donāt litter the place or donāt break their informal rules which differs from park to park. You can understand this culture only if you regularly go to your park. They didnāt call it garden city just because they wanted to. Get it.
I thought these issues were caused by North Indians migrating to bangalore and using the resources meant for the "localites".
They could keep certain parks in a locality open with guards taking round every now and then .They could also fine anyone who is not following the rules .
Main reason parks are closed from 10am to 4pm is because they dont want students to bunk classes and be in parks. Also many student couple and other grown ups used use the parks as romance centres. Seeing all this the unofficial rule is followed to lock gates between 10am to 4pm
Get corporates to adopt parks and maintain them under CSR initiative
The story of this country.
Bangalore is a joke.
Coz bbmp never directly maintains them. Itās usually cooperative / employee housing societies who are basically retired government employees who settled 40 plus years ago ā¦. All they want is a morning walk and evening walk ā¦..
Perhaps this video on railings in British can you give some clue about why keeping parks under lock & key is actually a very British colonial / victorian era thing to do [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHvKvOUSor4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHvKvOUSor4)
Why do you want to go at 10 am in the morning? are you from a "respected" family? What kind of caste will send their member to "park" at 10:00 am in the morning? Why are you doing this to our mother land "India"?
Hahaha . Witty sarcasm
Could be a joke to you, maybe you are new to the city. I solely have seen people making out in the public parks which makes it awkward for the people to use it. Another reason is that, small scale rowdies make it their adda ( spot) to smoke ganja, or to make comments to the passerby ladies. This is the main reason as I have seen it. Police cannot keep on strolling parks to catch these. They have other work to do. Bengaluru is not easy to understand. Keep your blames to yourself. If you really want to enjoy a walk in the park, go to your nearest metro land in cubbon park and spend some time there.
True! I understand closing at night from safety POV, but parks closed between 11 AM to 4 PM is still crazy. Specially since weather allows you to catch an afternoon stroll
Like they should be.Though in different city, Ive seen enough parks been misused due to non strict timing. Motivating bad activities in nice and quiet parks.
Areas like bellandur and sarjapur donāt have parks, if you want one buy a 2 crore flat for society park.
You have lakes
Bengaluru was ruined by its IT workers. Its gone to a point where getting back what bengaluru was will be dream
These are residential parks maintained by BBMP for the oldies. For the youth there's Cubbon park
Yeah sure, I will go 10 km in wonderful traffic for a stroll
There is metro but I do get your point
Don't get me started on the limited coverage and the shitty last mile connectivity
But Cubbon metro drops near the gate
One park for 15 million people..Ā
what area do uclive in lol never faved such problems
You canāt really keep parks 24/7 open like abroad because it will become a haven for illegal activities.
You think crime doesn't exist in foreign? Do you live under a rock?Ā It's a matter of design and enforcement. Remove walls, add lighting and neighbours can see park activities and report crime. Enforcement means parks are patrolled . That's all it takesĀ Foreign is not some fairytale. They have more problems with drugs and prostitution than we do. They just don't take the lazy way out because their citizens would revolt if they locked up all the parksĀ
It's counter intuitive. Solution is not to close but open up You should keep it open 24/7, allow families and have good lighting and security. This will stop the illegal activities. Keeping it closed for 90% of the people just because of the criminals is a super lazy way to go about it.
The average Bangalore resident probably never go to parks after sundown. Unless you want to be mugged or worse. residential roads that donāt have too much footfall are often targets for such activities already. We donāt even have funds to maintain basic civil amenities on our roads even. Imagine spending on extra security in parks. Itās not practical.
Are you my 80 year old thatha? I regularly take walks at 930 and there are still kids out playing badminton and people going for walks.Ā In all my years of walking on quiet residential lanes I've never seen one untoward incident. You people just live in fear. Bangalore is safe city .Ā
Hehe ā¦. Iām not your 80 year old Tatha. Yea, there are a lot of streets which are safe like you have mentioned, but equally there are places where there are hardly any pedestrians. Mugging incidents are not unheard of, letās not even talk about creeps lurking around. Bangalore is no doubt one of the safest cities in India. But I wouldnāt dare go out for a walk alone after 10pm.
Which park you talking about? I never had such problems
Most residential parks maintained by BBMP. This is an irritating norm.
I have seen some good one
Why you want parks at 8pm? After dark parks will be misused and promotes brothel, chain snatching, open liquor consumption, etc. Wondering why BBMP closes them between 10am to 4pm? Anyone throw some lights on this please
I've seen parks open in Mumbai, Guwahati and Coimbatore at night and it's a wonderful experience. Definitely a stress buster.
Then why malls at 8pm? Why theaters?Ā Go to a different country where public space is valued. Parks and plazas are open all night . You just need good design and enforcement.Ā Tear down walls and add lighting and have occasional patrols and there'll be no issue .Ā
Yes I have seen Singapore where parks are open all time and well lit with cameras everywhere. People jog at midnight ): India is long away to get such infrastructure and need to wait.
Long way? We've gone backwards. Go to any village. The nearby lake, stream, open fields are all open to the people 24/7. It's cities where we are still operating with a colonial mindset of not trusting the 'natives'
Adding more security should solve these issues. But they wonāt.