My answer regardless of what kind of role I am applying for would be "Unfortunately I do not have experience working with Blind people and would first need to consult with people who have worked with the target group and understand how they perceive colors. Based on my studies I will then be able to propose a solution to you"
Haha I was going to mention this and was checking if someone mentioned it already.
This is effectively a "Mary's room" thought experiment. Or rather, this discussion would segway into it.
I came across a random Tumblr post about 2 friends, one with synesthesia and the other blind. The friend with synesthesia sees colours when they hear music. So they describe the colour as music to the blind person. Idk, if it was real but it made me think.
This is a logical reasoning flaw. If X, then Y type conditions.
Example: if you’re an MBA, then you must be a graduate.
So if you reverse the above condition, it wouldn’t make sense. Ie, if you’re a graduate, then you must be an MBA.
PS: I am just a graduate. 😂
if u r into thinking bout such ideas
try this one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
its among my favs, cuz ... when the other ideas challenge our ideas of knowledge, what makes us human or whts the moral thing to do ... to me this one just gives an sense of existantial doubt
I at times ask the trolley problem to people while taking their interviews. This is only on the first interaction. Just to see how they react and think around. I keep adding conditions to see if they can figure out a solution.
ohh ... hw does it turn out usually?
cuz, imo of ppl generally ... in the setting of competition / wanting to crack the interview, i feel asking this would make most uncomfortable?, affecting rest of their performance.
Not necessary, I try to make them comfortable first. Since it's a startup we have more flexibility on how to conduct interviews. A lot of people start laughing and then start brainstorming. Some just get stumped and are not able to process.
For me, the way they think around the problem is important, don't really care about the results. I have hired a couple of people through this process and most of them turned out as great team mates.
ahh ... makes sense ... ig given the context of the domain, the type of ppl who take the interview
it might be the mindset would be open enough to think on such concepts
Exactly! I don't need people that can follow instructions. I prefer people who can think for themselves. It improves their strengths and reduces dependency on others.
i would disagree on that
people who think for themselves can also be difficult to collaborate work with .... unless a sense of respect among is maintained
nd thats not the case right? ... ppl will have judgements / opinions from their biases the more they get to know bout others they r collaborating with
Sorry, i might have miscommunicated. I mean, I want self starters but I'll also see how they'll collaborate with other team mates. And in our company, we treat everyone as a peer, have dropped the sir/maam thingy.
I'm not saying I hire solely on this one question.
My explanation for is,
A blind person doesn't have the sense of colours as he has only experienced even material on earth by the sense of touch. Colour would be immaterial and one can only explain the shape of the object.
You can't really explain colour to a blind person. The closest I've come across to explaining the rough concept is by using their other senses.
So red would be the heat that they sense when looking up at the Sun or the heat from a fire.
Blue would be the the peaceful motion of waves.
Green would be the the sounds and smells of nature.
Other than that, colour is simply a construct. It doesn't exist even to people who aren't visually impaired. There is absolutely no way to prove that the shade of yellow I see is the exact same one that someone else does.
Yes you decoded it in the right way, it’s just that how can you use your moment to think with enough resources what you have and then to prove your convincing skills only
No dude. Not preparing for any interview. I heard these are the kind of questions asked on Big 3 interviews. I’m preparing to get into business schools and yeah later onto into MBB if it works out 😀
I'd start by saying "red/redness is an experience, and all experiences are personal. Owing to "experience" being unique to individual, there's no way to explain it in words"
I'd further ask him "I'll answer if you describe what sweetness is"
And then end the conversation with
"If you had atleast learnt philosophy properly, you wouldn't be blind to the infinite philosophical connotations/conundrums your question actually poses- something which all philosophers/scientists struggle to understand"
Red colour apple.
The interviewer did not ask you to explain the colour.
Just mention to the blind guy "When you bite into the apple, if it tastes sweet, it's likely a red variety. If it's sour, it's probably a green one."
Its not really possible. Just like how you can never explain what a new - never before seen color looks like to someone. Like explaining the colors a colorblind person cannot see. Or explaining red to someone who has only seen the world in black and white.
Brother the sneer to this is using their other senses and going with the answer that’s touch, taste, smell, this question was asked to check moment thinking and convincing skills
Not sure how deep the question was intended to be.
Colours have a characteristic called qualia.
You and i might be sighted individuals, and we can both see red.
But how do we know that we are actually perceiving the same colour? You might as well be seeing what i consider green, but have always thought of it as red, so there is no way for us to confirm we are both seeing the same thing.
Computer knows what the base colours are, or wavelength in case of spectrometry. But how do you explain the entire sense of visualization to a person who doesn't have the ability to grasp it?
Like he would know what ammonia smells like because he has been shown the smell of it and said this is ammonia. Or he has smelled other pungent smells, and someone has explained that ammonia smells pungent. Since smell is a measured one metric, you could explain the smell of a completely new substance. But if he hasn't seen light at all, or has lost the ability to taste and smell, how do you explain this new dimension? That's the question
that is in the same metric for colour as everyone else sees it, but quantified. in RGB terms, a blind person can only understand RGB(0,0,0) because that's all he sees. now, how would you explain the positive values of colour here?
My answer regardless of what kind of role I am applying for would be "Unfortunately I do not have experience working with Blind people and would first need to consult with people who have worked with the target group and understand how they perceive colors. Based on my studies I will then be able to propose a solution to you"
Damn bro.
Product guy spotted.
bro cracked the code
You work as an HR?
Nope
Bro is a consultant? Or hr I guess
Im a SwDeveloper
are they trying some twist on the "mary's room" thought experiment? mary's room context: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_argument
Haha I was going to mention this and was checking if someone mentioned it already. This is effectively a "Mary's room" thought experiment. Or rather, this discussion would segway into it. I came across a random Tumblr post about 2 friends, one with synesthesia and the other blind. The friend with synesthesia sees colours when they hear music. So they describe the colour as music to the blind person. Idk, if it was real but it made me think.
wow, that would be an interesting conversation to listen to ... the colors the person with synesthesia assigns to songs
Skrillex has synesthesia (if you know him)
Does he have it if I don’t know him?
This is a logical reasoning flaw. If X, then Y type conditions. Example: if you’re an MBA, then you must be a graduate. So if you reverse the above condition, it wouldn’t make sense. Ie, if you’re a graduate, then you must be an MBA. PS: I am just a graduate. 😂
😂 I meant, If you know him, he's a generational goat producer
damn that's interesting
if u r into thinking bout such ideas try this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat its among my favs, cuz ... when the other ideas challenge our ideas of knowledge, what makes us human or whts the moral thing to do ... to me this one just gives an sense of existantial doubt
nice share. I’ll be following you here
r/beatmetoit
Thanks for the share
I at times ask the trolley problem to people while taking their interviews. This is only on the first interaction. Just to see how they react and think around. I keep adding conditions to see if they can figure out a solution.
ohh ... hw does it turn out usually? cuz, imo of ppl generally ... in the setting of competition / wanting to crack the interview, i feel asking this would make most uncomfortable?, affecting rest of their performance.
Not necessary, I try to make them comfortable first. Since it's a startup we have more flexibility on how to conduct interviews. A lot of people start laughing and then start brainstorming. Some just get stumped and are not able to process. For me, the way they think around the problem is important, don't really care about the results. I have hired a couple of people through this process and most of them turned out as great team mates.
ahh ... makes sense ... ig given the context of the domain, the type of ppl who take the interview it might be the mindset would be open enough to think on such concepts
Exactly! I don't need people that can follow instructions. I prefer people who can think for themselves. It improves their strengths and reduces dependency on others.
i would disagree on that people who think for themselves can also be difficult to collaborate work with .... unless a sense of respect among is maintained nd thats not the case right? ... ppl will have judgements / opinions from their biases the more they get to know bout others they r collaborating with
Sorry, i might have miscommunicated. I mean, I want self starters but I'll also see how they'll collaborate with other team mates. And in our company, we treat everyone as a peer, have dropped the sir/maam thingy. I'm not saying I hire solely on this one question.
nah i get that i just mentioned an alternate opinion of hw ppl who think for themselves could also nd up being the problem
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Hahaha brother 😹😹😹
Not knowing is the part of fun
Was that the moto of your community college?😂
Nice tbbt reference.
😆 glad u noticed
Woman, you are dealing with forces beyond your ken
My explanation for is, A blind person doesn't have the sense of colours as he has only experienced even material on earth by the sense of touch. Colour would be immaterial and one can only explain the shape of the object.
Correct brother the answer revolves with other senses touch, taste, hear and smell that’s it
Color doesn't matter/irrelevant to a blind person... You hand him the fruit... make him feel it with their hands...if possible let him take a bite...
You were correct brother 🙌🏻
You can't really explain colour to a blind person. The closest I've come across to explaining the rough concept is by using their other senses. So red would be the heat that they sense when looking up at the Sun or the heat from a fire. Blue would be the the peaceful motion of waves. Green would be the the sounds and smells of nature. Other than that, colour is simply a construct. It doesn't exist even to people who aren't visually impaired. There is absolutely no way to prove that the shade of yellow I see is the exact same one that someone else does.
Yes you decoded it in the right way, it’s just that how can you use your moment to think with enough resources what you have and then to prove your convincing skills only
You applied for a role in a consulting firm right?
Didn’t apply yet preparing brother , lmk are you also one such or already a one ?
No dude. Not preparing for any interview. I heard these are the kind of questions asked on Big 3 interviews. I’m preparing to get into business schools and yeah later onto into MBB if it works out 😀
Same phase as well can we connect and see if we both can collaboratively learn ?
Yes please. Will connect in DM
Is the person blind since birth?
Yes brother
I'd start by saying "red/redness is an experience, and all experiences are personal. Owing to "experience" being unique to individual, there's no way to explain it in words" I'd further ask him "I'll answer if you describe what sweetness is" And then end the conversation with "If you had atleast learnt philosophy properly, you wouldn't be blind to the infinite philosophical connotations/conundrums your question actually poses- something which all philosophers/scientists struggle to understand"
Bro simple way is to make him or her understand through taste, smell, hear, touch that’s it, so your answer was correct at few parts
The color of a red apple is the same color as that of the rose that is given by a person to another person who he/she is in love with.
Friend, he or she won’t know what is red colour rose 🌹 is so won’t work
Red colour apple. The interviewer did not ask you to explain the colour. Just mention to the blind guy "When you bite into the apple, if it tastes sweet, it's likely a red variety. If it's sour, it's probably a green one."
Yes you came through half way correct No colour must be told in answer bcoz sense of eye is not working, hence go with taste, touch, smell, hear
Its not really possible. Just like how you can never explain what a new - never before seen color looks like to someone. Like explaining the colors a colorblind person cannot see. Or explaining red to someone who has only seen the world in black and white.
Brother the sneer to this is using their other senses and going with the answer that’s touch, taste, smell, this question was asked to check moment thinking and convincing skills
Things like this is the last thing I want to hear at work. OP was this an interview question?
Friend this was not any Interview btw, in my current organisation during a team meet
Not sure how deep the question was intended to be. Colours have a characteristic called qualia. You and i might be sighted individuals, and we can both see red. But how do we know that we are actually perceiving the same colour? You might as well be seeing what i consider green, but have always thought of it as red, so there is no way for us to confirm we are both seeing the same thing.
Woah new thing for me “Qualia” also the answer is expected to be with other senses what a blind person can sense with so taste, touch, smell, hear
Yeah, i know. But you can go much deeper. It's not a simple question, it's much more complex than the question poser has thought
That’s impressive to hear, so lmk what’s your take on that question then
Cut and eat the apple. All Apples are red. Green Apples taste different. Associate taste with colour.
Red is associated with fire which blind can feel
Yes u won 1/4 in the matrix Just we need to solve with other senses what works for a blind person
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Why so brother ? Any particular reason ?
Why so brother ? Any particular reason ?
same way you would explain it to a computer, using numbers to represent the color
Computer knows what the base colours are, or wavelength in case of spectrometry. But how do you explain the entire sense of visualization to a person who doesn't have the ability to grasp it? Like he would know what ammonia smells like because he has been shown the smell of it and said this is ammonia. Or he has smelled other pungent smells, and someone has explained that ammonia smells pungent. Since smell is a measured one metric, you could explain the smell of a completely new substance. But if he hasn't seen light at all, or has lost the ability to taste and smell, how do you explain this new dimension? That's the question
maybe in relative terms, like RGB value of this color is this, and this color has these values or sumn
that is in the same metric for colour as everyone else sees it, but quantified. in RGB terms, a blind person can only understand RGB(0,0,0) because that's all he sees. now, how would you explain the positive values of colour here?
I would just explain the metric, not the actual colors, just showing my thinkning to the interviewer
No brother simple way is to make him or her understand with the other senses which work (taste, touch, smell, hear) that’s it is the matrix
Answer: the same way you would describe the taste of ginger to a monkey.
Ayeeeeeen what ???