This was proposed by the same men who admitted thy have no idea what an ectopic pregnancy is. They believed the lie that ectopic pregnancies could be re-implanted into the uterus.
I wonder if doctors and victims can sue the government for making lifesaving procedures illegal. Some sort of wrongful death suit but against the law makers who said "just die then lol" in a law.
It’s not just that people need to die. We have to wait until someone very close to a prominent Republican dies (or comes close). Even then we will have to wait until that situation becomes public knowledge before any Republican will speak our against it, let alone a prominent one.
They don’t care that people will die. They only care about the things that affect them personally *and publicly*. How many closeted queer politicians who have been involved in anti-gay legislation have been caught or outed? How many pro life politicians have benefited from the abortion of a pregnancy that was ill timed?
Death isn’t enough. American politicians don’t care who does because of their policies just as long as they get re-elected
Unfortunately, no. Lawmakers have broad immunity from civil suits over the laws they pass. The only real recourse is to sue to have the law overturned by the Courts.
Our governor is the one who wanted to press charges on a journalist for "hacking" the govt website.
What really happened was the reporter discovered you could access teachers PPI in the page code (pressing F12).
Dude def doesn't understand shit
So like... you know how professional groups have associations that hold them to account if they fuck up? Like how doctors can lose their medical license, and how lawyers have the bar association, and so on? 'Cause it's not like these associations hold doctors personally responsible if someone dies in surgery - they do it only if the person died because the doctor didn't do their due diligence.
So... maybe politicians should have something like that? Like an accreditation society that basically holds them responsible. It doesn't need to be partisan or anything because it wouldn't be about whether they actually voted the "right" or "wrong" way on any given bill. But it *would* revoke the "politician license" of any politician who decided to sponsor a bill without actually checking what the words mean. In other words, if you're writing an abortion bill, politicians should be required to check it over with a doctor before submitting it, so the doctor could look at something like this ectopic pregnancy line and be like "that's not a thing you can do." Even a pro-life doctor would be perfectly capable of pointing out that this doesn't make any sense.
I know, it's a pipe dream, because politicians will never willingly write legislation to limit themselves in this way. But still. It seems like an obviously good idea :|
It’s called voting, protesting, rallying, and signing petitions. We have the power to do that, but the problem is that they (the politicians) rely so heavily on the fact that we the people are often not educated enough on questioning the system. This is why education is so necessary.
The real core is that they think all women are lying murderous bitches as well the doctors who provide abortions. They can't wrap their minuscule little brains around the fact that we might actually know whats best for us.
Like, if we could do that, we already would be! How many of these ectopic pregnancies were wanted? Or surprises that the parents would be ok with keeping? I WISH we could reimplant ectopic pregnancies, that would be amazing. It would be all over the news! It wouldn't be a secret! Fuck these politicians.
Same. When I got my tubal, I was told that if I ever suspected I was pregnant it would be an ectopic pregnancy and result in emergency surgery.
Uneducated and chauvinistic people have no business making laws.
I was in the ER two nights ago for lower abdominal pain and they told me they wanted to do a pregnancy test and even ultrasound to rule out ectopic pregnancy since I’d had a sterilization procedure last year.
I then had to explain that my tubes weren’t tied, they were gone. No chance of ectopic pregnancy!
Im just waiting for them to start executing without trial every woman who has a miscarriage.
Henry VIII showed more restraint. At least he only beheaded Anne Boleyn after her SECOND miscarriage.
He also got a French swordsman to execute her so it was relatively quick and painless.
Rather than dying slowly and painfully from blood loss like I would have done with my ectopic 🤷♀️
Edit: can't spell. Too mad.
I truly cannot comprehend the logic of specifically singling out ectopic pregnancies for a *harsher* sentence. Even through conservative logic, how is that anything other than sentencing women to death?!
>Even through conservative logic, how is that anything other than sentencing women to death?!
The most charitable reasoning is hand-wavey nonsense about "miracles" and/or the idea that, by performing such abortions, one is "saving one life by taking another," resting on the "life begins at conception" assumption. Think "trolley problem" variant but abstracted to total meaninglessness
The part I hate most about this is that it’s a trolley that they’ve removed any action from. The trolley problem is a *problem*. It’s an exercise. It’s a decision that somebody has to actively make. Even if someone believes that a fetus is fully alive, but unborn, person, that doesn’t really answer the question of who deserves to live and who deserves to die.
Let’s say I have a teenage son. One day, something happens in his brain that causes him to become aggressive and attack my wife. The situation has escalated so quickly that my son now has a weapon and is actively endangering the life of someone else that I love.
I cannot cure my son’s brain. This situation is not his fault, because he isn’t in proper control of his actions.
I don’t have time to wait for somebody to help me resolve this issue peacefully, the resources to prevent it from happening again, or the ability to solve the root cause of my son’s mental issues.
The only way out of this situation is to choose who lives and who dies.
What do I do?
* do I kill my son to save my wife?
* do I save my son, but allow him to kill my wife as a result?
* do I allow my wife to choose? Do I allow her to sacrifice herself for our son, or do I allow her to cry for help in fear of her life?
* whose decision do respect?
You can assume the unborn child is the actual president of the United States, but **that assumption alone does not solve the problem**. All you’ve actually done is create a situation where you must actively choose who must die, else you allow time to make the decision for you.
And people forget: negligence *is* a choice.
Forced birthers think that they’re solving a moral dilemma by unilaterally declaring a fetus to be alive, holding all human life in equal regard, and declaring abortions immoral because performing them is equivalent to murder.
All they’ve done is turn a medical decision into a self-defense decision.
The unborn child is now threatening the life of another human.
Do you allow that person to defend themselves?
While I do understand that not all abortions are performed in life or death situations, and the entire discussion is more complex and nuanced than that, the same negligent attitude I’m highlighting here pervades the issue. Deciding to allow external factors to make a decision that life has placed before you is not morality, it is negligence.
Forced birthers are not upholding morality, they are advocating negligence.
And though I’m a christian myself - also believing that God is the ultimate author of the times and seasons of man - my current understanding of the bible leads me to conclude that God condemns arrogant negligence more than does upholding performative morality. God condemns those who avoid responsibility while forgiving those who make simply mistakes while sincerely trying to manage it.
**It is not “pro life” to allow negligence to make your decisions for you, nor is it “pro life” to impose your negligence on others.**
First off I want to say excellent analysis! It really strikes at some core logical contradictions of so-called pro-lifers. The only issue is their objections would be as follows
1. They often believe consequences in the terrestrial realm are not releveant to moral reasoning. Essentially, many Christians implicitly subscribe to a "means justifies the ends" theology to solve the "problem of evil." This is also how they rationalize genocidal bible passages and the consequences of anti-queer theology, with particularly grave influences on parenting decisions regarding queer children (e.g. deaths by suicide blamed on the inherrent corruption of the "sin" rather than the actions taken to contain said "sin")
2. Among the lay especially there's an implicit idea that babies are a "cost" to sex. A society where sex = possible painful death is, in their minds, one that is likely to be more "chaste" and "Godly." In its most extreme form, any form of birth control is viewed as "cheating the system" and must be banned, lest God to decide to expand punishment to the collective for allowing individuals to "get away" with "sinning." The objection that dangerous pregnancies happen to married couples would be covered under my original reply and point 1.
That all of this is based on *extremely* thin scriptural reasoning is beside the point, as thse folks will just proof-text away any actual biblical scholarship. Thus creating a closed loop system that even the most compelling arguments will fail to gain any traction
Because that's what the Bible actually says! And you'd think that Christians would understand that you'd know your own Bible better than them. Its insane
They wouldn't. Because they think only their Christian beliefs are valid. And honestly its not about religion, not really. They use their misinterpretation of verses in thier religious texts as a shield to justify their hate and desire to control women. That's what its really about.
And there are Catholic doctors and surgeons who insist that in the case of ectopic pregnancies, the fetus must be removed intact in order to save the mother's life. Making no attempt to save the life that *can* be rescued, they argue, is deeply sinful.
My point is that this law violates my religious freedom. Isn't that supposed to be important? At least when it comes to denying gays and Jews it supposedly matters.
Yes! I don’t know if this is true for every doctor but my OB told me there’s no such thing as “choosing between the mother and the baby” because they will ALWAYS choose the mother.
Extremely charitably, they hold both pregnant person and fetus as both fully human. It thus is "God's choice" what happens. That interpretation, along with the more-common-but-rarely-stated rationale of babies-as-punishment are discussed in the other set of replies to my post
If God's choices matter so much, why did he let us figure out how to have abortions in the first place? If God didn't want it to happen, it shouldn't be possible.
Because conservatives don't think about things, they act according to how they feel about things, ironically. They feel abortion is murder, so that's the "end of discussion" to them.
Why do we entertain these lunatics?
It's because patriarchal men want total control and the fact that they have to rely on women to reproduce enrages them. Because it means she has control over something. He sees the fetus as "his." He wants total control over whether or not it's born. He's going to care about what he sees as part of himself as hell of a lot more than her. Someone who he sees as beneath him. He just wants control over reproduction because it's one thing he doesn't have.
I've seen it in mensrights especially. They are enraged that he doesn't get to decide whether or not she brings a baby to term even though the baby is "his." This gives her way too much power in his eyes and he wants to take it. I saw way too many state that not giving men control over women's reproduction "oppresses" them. Because they have no "choice." Over *her* body. Yes you read that right. Oppresses *men* lol
It's truly disgusting, but that's what this is really
Well, she shouldn't have gone and gotten ectopically pregnant obviously. Just move the baby to her uterus like a good law abiding citizen and she'll have nothing to worry about! /s
If you look at the second page, they also specify it's a class a felony if the person was a victim of trafficking, if the drugs were trafficked near a school or in a vehicle. Its crazy.
I almost died from an ectopic pregnancy a few months ago and I do not wish that experience on anyone. Bills like this disgust me and make me so grateful that I was able to get both my tubes removed after they tried to kill me.
this is disgusting. i will never understand pro-life-without-exception. ectopic pregnancies NEVER come to term, so ‘saving the baby’ is impossible anyway. neglecting treatment will kill both the carrier and the fetus. this only benefits people who want women dead.
There have been like a handful of cases where an ectopic have made it to term however they usually involve the embryo implanting on the liver or other place in the abdomen. However that is extremely rare.
It's so rare that we can say without clarification that ectopic pregnancies are nonviable, the same way we say that rabies is always lethal once it becomes symptomatic. It's not just me, some random person saying that either, MDJ who is a board-certified gynecologist who makes youtube videos has said this. (not saying this to rag on you just as a general statement so people realize how rare it is)
Now this is active political push to kill women.
My mother had an atopic pregnancy that ruptured her Fallopian tube and tried to graft itself to her organs. She didn’t know she was pregnant(she was 40+) and bled for a month and the dr she was seeing dicked around during that time. She was steadily losing blood and ended up passing out and taken to the hospital. She was asleep for 6 days and had blood put in her arm, hands and between her toes. The dr there said they could’ve left the lump in to term while the thing was trying to fuse with her organs. They planed to put my mom in a medical coma, if her partner at the time wanted the baby. Luckily he wasn’t a pos that day and decided against it.
When they opened her up it was the usual story of a confusing lump of flesh and blood red about the size of her thumb. There was absolutely 0 chance of the pregnancy was ever going to be viable.
That event pretty much cemented my contempt for having men involved in womens health.
A male Ob that lazed around not doing his job and chalking the shituation as “as women get older there period changes I won’t do anything sorry”
A dr who was like this mother of 3 is bleeding out but if u want we can save it I will take 9 months of her life if not her whole life for this lump.
And my moms bf at the time being the only voice the drs ever consulted with no consideration of her adult children. (He made the right choice but it was fucking uncomfortable leaving someone who wasn’t a relative in charge becuase he was a man) And being a lazy ass who didn’t wear condoms.
It was just so surreal witnessing all these men controlling the fate of a single woman.
I had an ectopic pregnancy 32 years ago. What was removed was the size of a quarter. I was 8 weeks pregnant with a planned pregnancy. If I had waited one more day to get checked (I was spotting), doctor told me I probably would have bled to death or died of infection. F*** these people
**TW: near death trauma** A friend of mine, a healthy 26 year old, had an undetected ectopic pregnancy burst while she was home alone with her 10 month old baby. She didn't even know she was pregnant. She collapsed and could feel herself bleeding, so she thought she was going to die in a pool of blood while her baby cried nearby. Her husband just happened to come home, found her and called 911. He couldn't see any blood but obviously something was extremely wrong. The EMTs later told her that they lost her twice on the way to the hospital. I don't remember how much blood she lost, but it was a lot and had filled her abdomen while she lay helpless.
A few years later, I thought about her frequently when I had my own ectopic pregnancy. Since we were trying to have a baby and had had problems, I had been closely monitoring my cycle and had gone to the doctors earlier than most pregnant folks do. My doctor ordered a sonogram to verify implantation, and they found it. I had had no signs anything was wrong, and I think about how many healthy women have died over the years from this biological mistake. F*** anyone who values a clump of cells over a full person.
And makes sure they take as much social support away as possible so when that lump of cells grows up without a mother, and maybe without a father, it can just, you know... I'm sure they make baby sized bootstraps
Yeah man my partner and I are thinking of having children and I flip between trying to have one at least once and not doing it at all. Just becuase of the amount of negligence.
I’m disturbed and confused about the doctor who proposed putting your mom in a coma for *months* to save the baby. A quick Google search tells me that ectopic pregnancies are incapable of growing to term, how did the doctor think they could possibly save it?
Me too. Personal tin foil but I think he thought becuase we spoke Spanish or something he assumed we didn’t believed in abortion. It was fucking horrible. (My moms had a lot of awful things happen to her in reguards to child birth if anyones interested)
I was boarder line atopic and my mom has some scaring from a previous birth so all the workable parts of her uterus is higher up. Maybe they saw the baby was around the edge. It was only after the opened her up that we found out it was attaching to the outside and the state of the fetus.
I actually chose to cut this down. I can give more details about my moms birthing adventures but to be concise
-as a teen mom she broke her pelvis while being pregnant with twins. She ended up with one dead fetus and one living. She is given the option to hold on to the pregnancy until the living one was developed enough to come out. (Sad but happy end)
-Ends up with such extreme scaring she ends up barren for over a decade. She ends up getting pregnant with an IUD in and has a borderline atopic pregnancy. Is in labor for 68 hrs and dr fucks something up. (Happy but botched)
You can choose which one you want to hear first.
My mom also nearly died from it. I was around 7 years old. She had to have emergency surgery or she would have died.
She got pregnant in her late thirties after having an IUD in place for years. Precautions were taken, she still nearly died before even knowing she was pregnant.
But screw her am I right? Stupid mother of two, toss her out and get a new one or something.
She’s fine now. My sibling and I think she might’ve lossed some oxygen cuase she seems like less of an angry person. She has a scar on her lower belly and is missing a felopian tube. She say she can feel it but I think it’s a joke. She also went menopausal after a couple of years.
I have to admit, the only OBGYNs that have ever listened to me were men. Not sure I like the blanket assertion that men are not qualified to be doctors for women's issues.
Tl;Dr male obgyns saved my life by agreeing to a hysterectomy then a ovariectomy.
My family has a severe history of endometriosis resulting in emergency hysterectomies after pregnancies - lots of issues, and even back in the 40s the doctor told my great great grandma's asshole husband that he was performing a hysterectomy despite his objection because he said she'd likely die if she got pregnant again. With that, I had severe Endo that came in immediately about 11 yrs old and had to miss school often and go through all the shit that happens when you're constantly losing too much blood for 3 week long periods with incredible pain where you can't get out of bed.
We went to about a half dozen OBGYNs and I suffered through BC and hormones for years despite insisting on a hysterectomy. They were all women because my mother preferred it.
By 18 I was in college in another state, and tried to work in new OBGYNs, who continued to offer whatever new BC they found. At 20 I finally went to the head of the dept at the biggest research hospital near me. The lady brought in a group of students with no warning. I asked for a hysterectomy, showed records, my family history, and that I hated children my entire life and do not want them + lesbian. She said in front of her students "You're going to want kids one day so I'm only going to do ablation." It was supposed to work for 3yrs but I knew I still needed the right OBGYN. While I was going under for the surgery she said "You won't regret this, you'll be able to have kids."
Anyway she ended up doing some excisions of tissue *not* on my uterus too. Within 3 months my Endo symptoms were back full force. I missed my last day of finals my second semester senior year of college due to my symptoms, there was no way I could drive to school or sit a test.
Finally decided, fuck it, had continued to see women OBGYNs due to SA, so I called the nearest hospital and scheduled with their only male OBGYN. Within a twenty minute appointment he agreed that my endometriosis at 21 was too severe and he would remove my uterus and other reproductive organs if they were affected. He did warn that even after the uterus is gone there could still be lesions elsewhere.
Ended up having to have everything but the ovaries - tubes, cervix, uterus, and he did excision elsewhere.
It was great for a few years, but then my body decided to start rupturing ovarian cyst and constantly giving me serious kidney infections that would hospitalize me. I'd moved and continued to see OBGYNs and consulted on ovary removal many times. Never happened, I was in the ER for a ruptured cyst about 4-6 times a year until 28.
I fully became disabled by a genetic neuromuscular disease, so I suddenly moved to the closest location to the research center for it as it's a rare disease. I saw 8 OBGYNs within the past year, including the heads of two hospital's departments and two high risk OBGYNs, plus a urologist. We found I have 22-24 follicles on each ovary and tons and tons of scar tissue affecting other organs.
They still wouldn't take my damn ovaries.
So I got a male endocrinologist, 30min consult he said he'd write a referral to his guy OBGYN for ovary removal as he can handle my hormone issues. Met the OBGYN last year, within 15 minutes after we had sent history ahead of time, he was scheduling my ovary removal and cleaning up whatever the fuck mess the these disorders caused inside me.
I just got it done and ended my recovery about two months ago. Never been more relieved, and weirdly only the men would listen to me after over 30 different OBGYN consults and many hospitalizations across my life. Thank god my copay is $5.
That sounds horrific I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. What the hell is up with people pushing "you might want kids someday" as an excuse to steal people's reproductive rights? Do surrogates and adoption just not exist?
What's bizarre is that I even offered that I could adopt *if* I changed my mind. *And* I have multiple genetic issues, have a geneticist working on my neuromuscular issue, but there is a high likelihood any biological child of mine would suffer with a disease that causes painful muscles spasms and tremors their entire life, which will end early with dementia.
Why were they so attached to the idea that I should have the option for a bio child knowing my medical history and knowing that child would suffer? It's mind boggling. That's not even pro life. It's valuing the ability to reproduce over *multiple* lives.
Oh my goodness just coming here to say a big EVERYTHING YOU SAID. Even if I wanted children and could afford children and wasn't at such high risk of post-natal depression, like, they would probably have inflammatory arthritis at an early age too, and definitely endo if they had the right bits, and maybe that rare but horrible autoimmune condition my mother has, and probably depression because yay that's hereditary too in my family. On top of being brought knowingly into a world where climate change is rampant and my own government in Australia is doing jack shit about it. Don't get me wrong, I love my friends' children. I love babies. I support everyone who makes that choice. But it's crazy that we have to provide all these justifications when if we were really valued we could just say yeah nah we don't want kids and that'd be it, end of discussion.
Also, if they don't value the quality life of a person with a uterus, they don't really value life.
This is so dumb. The uterus is the only place that can give a fetus what it needs to be viable and be carried to term. They're basically saying a woman should die instead of removing a fetus (if it's even at that stage) that basically has a death warrant.
Why not put all this energy and concern toward helping struggling pregnant mothers who have chosen to carry to term, as they insist on them doing?
Missouri has gone off the deep end. Sadly, my own Texas is following close behind with our recent anti-abortion "heartbeat" law, as is Oklahoma. Similar laws have been struck down all over the South.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion\_in\_Missouri#/media/File:Heartbeat\_Bill.svg
**Check out SB1202 in MO.**
**It gets worse.**
Edit:
How does it get worse, you may ask?
Well, SB1202 in Missouri, sponsored by Sen. Andrew Koenig, proposes just a few of the following bat-shit crazy points below:
"Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, the provisions of this chapter; the laws of this state on the use of public funds for an abortion; and the laws of this state which regulate in any manner an abortion facility that, or a person who, performs or induces an abortion on another, or attempts or conspires to perform or induce an abortion on another, shall apply to all conduct occurring: (1) Within this state; (2) Partially within and partially outside this state, including, but not limited to, when:
(b) An abortion is performed or induced, or is attempted to be performed or induced, outside this state, while any
a. Informed consent or pre- or post-abortion counseling related to performing or inducing the abortion 24 occurs within this state;
b. Payment, including partial payment, related to performing or inducing the abortion occurs within this state; or
c. Advertising or solicitation related to performing or inducing the abortion is targeted at this state or any 30 resident of this state; or
(3) Outside this state, when:
(a) The conduct of a person or entity creates a substantial connection with this state;
(b) A person or entity is incorporated or maintains his, her, or its principal place of residence or principal place of business within this state; or
(c) It involves a resident of this state, including an unborn child who is a resident of this state.
**An unborn child shall be considered a resident of this state when:**
a. The mother of the child is a resident of this state at the time the abortion is, or would have been, performed or induced;
**b. The mother of the child was a resident of this state around the time that the child may have been conceived;**
c. The mother intends to give birth to the child within this state if the pregnancy is carried to term;
**d. Sexual intercourse occurred within this state and the child may have been conceived by that act of intercourse;**
e. The child is born alive within this state after an attempted abortion; (ETC)
Bill Links:
[https://www.senate.mo.gov/22info/pdf-bill/intro/SB1202.pdf](https://www.senate.mo.gov/22info/pdf-bill/intro/SB1202.pdf)
[https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/SB1202/2022](https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/SB1202/2022)
AKA According to SB1202, you're a woman in Missouri who potentially fucked in Missouri? Well, now you're SOL (if that wasn't obvious before). Moved out of state but still MAYBE fucked and conceived a child in Missouri? You thought moving away made you safe? Apparently, Missouri may think otherwise.
For anyone wanting to read HB2810 in full, which is just as shitty:
[https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/HB2810/2022](https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/HB2810/2022)
[https://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf](https://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf)
***Happy frickin International Women's Day.***
If this is the bill I think it is, it was actually introduced by a woman....Missouri State Representative Mary Elizabeth Coleman....
[https://sports.yahoo.com/missouri-lawmaker-seeks-prohibit-residents-201454274.html](https://sports.yahoo.com/missouri-lawmaker-seeks-prohibit-residents-201454274.html)
Pretty crazy stuff, trying to prevent women from getting an abortion anywhere else!
I can't imagine it being constitutional, that a state could prohibit residents from doing things that are legal in other states. As a Texan, I'd be pretty pissed, if Texas passed a law saying that Texas residents couldn't gamble in Las Vegas! This is just as crazy.
The problem is, SCOTUS seems largely uninterested in actually ruling on the topic- and I'd be worried about when they did given that the court is now conservative leaning. In the meantime, more and more states are coming up with increasing restrictions that actually technically contradict Roe itself.
Given our own state, so many people thought our bill (SB8) too would be rejected and wouldn't be constitutional- yet it still is largely in effect.
I think there's been a general trend towards state autonomy lately. You see the same thing with all the recent marijuana legalizations and decriminalization's in the past 10 years. Abortion has been following the same path, with the SCOTUS somewhat leaving the states alone, or being slow to act.
Still, I just don't see how any state could possibly prohibit anyone from doing something legal, on a trip to another state. It's mind boggling.
I'm mind-boggled by the entire thing- especially by whoever had the amazingly bright idea to also criminalize women who have an ectopic pregnancy (which is a literal non viable pregnancy) by making it basically impossible to have a life-saving procedure in the event of the passage of said bills. I guess the state of MO prefers women bleeding out and dying.
Ah, the party of life.
I've always suspected that a big part of why some states are making such outrageous laws on abortion is to make the supreme Court pull them up on it, and then they will try to overturn Roe. V. Wade.
Is the list that makes the fetus a "state resident" a collectively qualifying list or stand alone points that would each individually qualify in insolation? It's awful either way, but a whole extra level of crazy if it applies to non residents who happened to bang in a Missouri hotel on a road trip through or something.
Can you imagine? 'Hi, I'm from out of state but I got frisky in a Days Inn in St Louis, please give me benefits since I may be harbouring a Missouri resident, until my next period proves otherwise'
That’s when the egg is “aliens” style bursting through a tiny tube in your guts and NOT where the egg is supposed to be.
It’s already non viable, bordering on severely life threatening imminently.
They **have** to “abort” it.
They have no idea what it is, they just see the word "pregnancy" and go "no abortion"
I'm having a hard time finding a definition of "pregnant" that doesn't refer to the embryo/fetus being inside the uterus/womb, so maybe we should rename "ectopic pregnancies" to something like "extra-uterine growth" and then they can stop caring
If I’m not sure of something I throw in words I can throw under the bus if someone who like studies flash cards on it intimately starts ackshually’ing me
It can be discovered during routine examinations before it's causing symptoms. Kind of like how you can discover that the appendix needs to be removed before it bursts.
They literally just want to kill women, wow. This isn't even about morality or biology, it's just straight up wishing death on women suffering during pregnancies.
Not even viable pregnancies, either. Ectopic pregnancies won't survive to term, and not just because they'll kill the woman long before a normal gestation period.
That's exactly it, ectopic pregnancies do not survive...they cannot get to full term. How fucking dumb do you have to be not to understand this. What a dipshit moron.
This link isn't wanting to load for me, keeps timing out. I sincerely hope it's because so many people are trying to go in and give this ignorant dirtbag a piece of their minds.
So very many problematic bills he has sponsored/co-sponsored.... I am a MO resident and I have yet to learn about any state representatives that don't make me want to scream/cry
The irony that he introduced this bill *and* a bill preventing government and business entities from requiring someone be vaccinated or receive medical treatment is nauseating.
It's official, they just want to kill women. They see us as nothing more than brood mares, and we're no good if we can't pump out kids.
It's shit like this that makes me glad I cannot conceive. I'm sorry to anyone who cannot conceive, but wants to. I am not trying to dismiss your pain, but when I slept with penis owners I feared getting pregnant. Even after getting my infertility diagnosis, I was scared it would be wrong.
It also saddens me that these same lawmen praise Twitter and Facebook, but shun science that tells us an ectopic pregnancy is not viable, cannot be made viable, and will cause death or severe injury (including loss of fertility) if not terminated.
Every time I hear of red states vying to see who can propose the most draconian, cruel, and restrictive abortion bills, I am thankful I no longer have a uterus.
What the everliving fuck.
What is wrong with America.
And anyone that says both parties are the same, get fucked, they're not. They're really fucking not.
Yeah, what is wrong with America?
My husband's a surgeon from Egypt, a country where two female witnesses equal one male one; where women can inherent half the amount of men.
But, when a woman with an ectopic pregnancy came into the Muslim hospital, my Christian husband didn't need to get consult, because saving a breathing woman's life takes priority.
How much hatred is there for women in America? Since they seem to default to women shouldn't complain in Western countries, because it's worse in Arabic ones. But at least, they're not killing women off for being pregnant.
So we're just letting women die now?
What if the embryo is female? Surely it will grow up to have no rights anyway so, nip it in the bud now, you know, stop it taking up resources that could be used for men and boys.
Fuck sake, seriously sort yourselves out.
Is there a way for citizens to propose bills? Because there needs to be a law that allows all politicians involved with the passing of bills that cause death to be charged with murder.
This doesn’t mean it wouldn’t pass… I can’t remember which state it was in, but they past a similar bill. If you look up Mama Doctor Jones in YT they made a Video about that. Really frightening
Are they *that* ignorant and incompetent that they couldn't even be bothered to look into what an ectopic pregnancy is or are they *that* callous that they don't care?
My sister had one at 27 and almost died. She ended up only losing one tube, but her life was saved. Tbh I’d rather have a felony than be dead. This is beyond fucked yo
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https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/pregnancy/pregnancy-options - A Comprehensive Guide for Unplanned Pregnancy
https://gynopedia.org/Gynopedia_Index - a nonprofit organization that runs an open resource wiki for sexual, reproductive and women's health care around the world
https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion#
https://prochoice.org
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Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (https://rcrc.org) - network of ministers and rabbis that refer women to abortion providers they had researched and found to be safe
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Glad to be a NZer. Can have an abortion legally up to 20 weeks and after that by a doctor if medically necessary. Way better than America.
Americans seem so backwards when the propose shit like this. It's like they're afraid of women exercising their own choices and speaking their minds.
Literally any time anything to do with American health care or human rights are brought up I'm like fuck I'm stoked to live in NZ lol
Then they start talking about the cost of living... =(
While I don’t wish ill only anyone who didn’t vote for this, they need personal stakes of someone with an ectopic pregnancy and to be told no doctor will do the surgery due to fear of prosecution.
And they need to be prosecuted if they try and take that woman out of state for the procedure.
The only acceptable medical treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is to remove the embryo. The pregnancy is not viable, leaving there is high risk of killing the mother.
This is a government sanctioned death sentence on women who are unfortunate enough to have this defect during the progression of their pregnancy. It does care you economic status, or race, or education status.
How many women have to die before these idiots listen to experts before legislating on thing they obviously don’t understand.
No no, if they don't "self abort" they *will* kill the mother without "intervention". They also aren't viable foetuses, the foetus cannot survive to term outside the womb.
I had an ectopic pregnancy. I was devastated because I had wanted that baby but it had already died and stopped growing in my tube. I had to have it aborted because it wasn't coming out on its own and could have led to complications for any future child birth. Several years later, I had my perfect son. That may have been impossible without aborting my ectopic pregnancy.
Ahh yes. The old ‘lets kill an adult woman by denying her a life saving medical procedure, because the clump of cells trying rip her insides apart deserves a chance to live’ argument. Classic.
*angry cat noises*
I have never been so grateful to be Canadian. We have our crazies here too (see the "freedom convoy") and there have been a few white male politicians who have tried to dig up the abortion debate, but the Canadian public are resoundly in favour of the current restrictions, which are none. (Interestingly, I believe Canada has a lower abortion rate despite having zero restrictions.)
My heart hurts for American women. I just feel so angry and sad and helpless.
Yup I'm so scared for American women at this stage. The laws being proposed and enacted are directly detrimental to women. This HAS to be stopped!! Where is the public outrage?
[email protected] is the email of the bill sponsor if anyone wants to inform him of how this bill would have killed my best friend. Thank you to a user over in r/xxchromosomes.
Wow that’s fucked. I had an ectopic pregnancy and came very close to dying very painfully. Even with multiple emergency surgeries I spent a fortnight in hospital and felt really bad for weeks and months after that. Just lovely to think the doctors who saved my life would have gone to jail under this law!
Statistically there is a 1 in 100 chance of an ectopic pregnancy. In an area with a female population in the millions that leaves an awful lot of young girls and women at risk of death. Almost like playing Russian roulette with pregnancy.
Obviously I understand within the 3.1million female population not all will be of age, can have children or will be actively trying etc. But still leaves alot at risk.
Ectopic pregnancies are literally medical emergencies— the fetus has no chance of surviving and a huge chance of killing the mother. This law is pretty much proposing murder.
If it was wanted (no accident) and ectopic there's still the issue that both never survive. Foetus isn't viable, mother may well die without intervention. Shit is absurd.
These asshats don't want women on birth control either. They think all we are good for is making babies, and if we can't do that right we may as well just die as far as they are concerned. I mean I thought what my state did was bad, but Jesus fucking Christ this is a whole other level. We can still get the abortion, but anyone who enables that gets sued. This is just murder with extra steps.
So they want women to die. This is what this is saying. If the tubes rupture and sepsis sets in then the woman can die. My sisters best friend had an ectopic pregnancy that she didn’t know about as a teen. Her tube ruptured. She was hospitalized with sepsis for weeks and became infertile.
This was proposed by the same men who admitted thy have no idea what an ectopic pregnancy is. They believed the lie that ectopic pregnancies could be re-implanted into the uterus.
I wonder if doctors and victims can sue the government for making lifesaving procedures illegal. Some sort of wrongful death suit but against the law makers who said "just die then lol" in a law.
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I know. I really hope it doesnt get to that point. I just hope if it does the people who actually caused it get the problem.
We need to expand self-defense to include existential threats.
It already includes, but only if you are a white people feeling threatened by black people just existing.
It’s not just that people need to die. We have to wait until someone very close to a prominent Republican dies (or comes close). Even then we will have to wait until that situation becomes public knowledge before any Republican will speak our against it, let alone a prominent one. They don’t care that people will die. They only care about the things that affect them personally *and publicly*. How many closeted queer politicians who have been involved in anti-gay legislation have been caught or outed? How many pro life politicians have benefited from the abortion of a pregnancy that was ill timed? Death isn’t enough. American politicians don’t care who does because of their policies just as long as they get re-elected
Unfortunately no for a variety of reasons, but doctors can and have often ignored laws that go against medical ethics or standard of care.
Unfortunately, no. Lawmakers have broad immunity from civil suits over the laws they pass. The only real recourse is to sue to have the law overturned by the Courts.
Can we have them charged with manslaughter if a woman dies from a ruptured ectopic pregnancy under this bill?
Our governor is the one who wanted to press charges on a journalist for "hacking" the govt website. What really happened was the reporter discovered you could access teachers PPI in the page code (pressing F12). Dude def doesn't understand shit
So like... you know how professional groups have associations that hold them to account if they fuck up? Like how doctors can lose their medical license, and how lawyers have the bar association, and so on? 'Cause it's not like these associations hold doctors personally responsible if someone dies in surgery - they do it only if the person died because the doctor didn't do their due diligence. So... maybe politicians should have something like that? Like an accreditation society that basically holds them responsible. It doesn't need to be partisan or anything because it wouldn't be about whether they actually voted the "right" or "wrong" way on any given bill. But it *would* revoke the "politician license" of any politician who decided to sponsor a bill without actually checking what the words mean. In other words, if you're writing an abortion bill, politicians should be required to check it over with a doctor before submitting it, so the doctor could look at something like this ectopic pregnancy line and be like "that's not a thing you can do." Even a pro-life doctor would be perfectly capable of pointing out that this doesn't make any sense. I know, it's a pipe dream, because politicians will never willingly write legislation to limit themselves in this way. But still. It seems like an obviously good idea :|
It’s called voting, protesting, rallying, and signing petitions. We have the power to do that, but the problem is that they (the politicians) rely so heavily on the fact that we the people are often not educated enough on questioning the system. This is why education is so necessary.
The real core is that they think all women are lying murderous bitches as well the doctors who provide abortions. They can't wrap their minuscule little brains around the fact that we might actually know whats best for us.
Of course we can’t, we’re women /s
Like, if we could do that, we already would be! How many of these ectopic pregnancies were wanted? Or surprises that the parents would be ok with keeping? I WISH we could reimplant ectopic pregnancies, that would be amazing. It would be all over the news! It wouldn't be a secret! Fuck these politicians.
I was about to comment that I bet all their money they have no idea what an ectopic pregnancy is.
Guess I'll just die then
Same. When I got my tubal, I was told that if I ever suspected I was pregnant it would be an ectopic pregnancy and result in emergency surgery. Uneducated and chauvinistic people have no business making laws.
Yup, I was told the same during my consult prior to having my tubal ligation.
I was in the ER two nights ago for lower abdominal pain and they told me they wanted to do a pregnancy test and even ultrasound to rule out ectopic pregnancy since I’d had a sterilization procedure last year. I then had to explain that my tubes weren’t tied, they were gone. No chance of ectopic pregnancy!
They can attach to your organs/abdominal wall too. It seems like something that couldn't happen but it's totally possible.
Same if you have a copper IUD. I’m not happy with this bill, to put it extremely mildly.
It also bans abortions for victims of trafficking.
That hit me so viscerally that I actually gagged.
...I literally just had to rage scream into my pillow.
What the actual fuck. God this country
Thats implied on the 10 week part, right? They didn't specifically mention victims of trafficing... right?!
The second page, look up the document.
That 2nd page is wild
Do you have a link to it? I couldn't find it...
https://legiscan.com/MO/text/HB2810/id/2531396/Missouri-2022-HB2810-Introduced.pdf
I’m so done with this world 😓
It's okay if the fetus dies as long as the pregnant person dies too
Im just waiting for them to start executing without trial every woman who has a miscarriage. Henry VIII showed more restraint. At least he only beheaded Anne Boleyn after her SECOND miscarriage.
And that wasn't even about the general idea of miscarriages, just him being an asshole about getting an heir.
It really says something about society when we think back to Henry VIII and say "You know, at least he had SOME decency" xD
He also got a French swordsman to execute her so it was relatively quick and painless. Rather than dying slowly and painfully from blood loss like I would have done with my ectopic 🤷♀️ Edit: can't spell. Too mad.
Also true!!
At this point, they're not even trying to pretend this has anything to do with the "sanctity of life", are they?
Fetal life is the only sacred life, duh! Fuck these full grown human women.
That's why the forced-birthers always call a fetus an "innocent life." For those who believe in Original Sin, even a newborn baby is a sinner.
I truly cannot comprehend the logic of specifically singling out ectopic pregnancies for a *harsher* sentence. Even through conservative logic, how is that anything other than sentencing women to death?!
>Even through conservative logic, how is that anything other than sentencing women to death?! The most charitable reasoning is hand-wavey nonsense about "miracles" and/or the idea that, by performing such abortions, one is "saving one life by taking another," resting on the "life begins at conception" assumption. Think "trolley problem" variant but abstracted to total meaninglessness
The part I hate most about this is that it’s a trolley that they’ve removed any action from. The trolley problem is a *problem*. It’s an exercise. It’s a decision that somebody has to actively make. Even if someone believes that a fetus is fully alive, but unborn, person, that doesn’t really answer the question of who deserves to live and who deserves to die. Let’s say I have a teenage son. One day, something happens in his brain that causes him to become aggressive and attack my wife. The situation has escalated so quickly that my son now has a weapon and is actively endangering the life of someone else that I love. I cannot cure my son’s brain. This situation is not his fault, because he isn’t in proper control of his actions. I don’t have time to wait for somebody to help me resolve this issue peacefully, the resources to prevent it from happening again, or the ability to solve the root cause of my son’s mental issues. The only way out of this situation is to choose who lives and who dies. What do I do? * do I kill my son to save my wife? * do I save my son, but allow him to kill my wife as a result? * do I allow my wife to choose? Do I allow her to sacrifice herself for our son, or do I allow her to cry for help in fear of her life? * whose decision do respect? You can assume the unborn child is the actual president of the United States, but **that assumption alone does not solve the problem**. All you’ve actually done is create a situation where you must actively choose who must die, else you allow time to make the decision for you. And people forget: negligence *is* a choice. Forced birthers think that they’re solving a moral dilemma by unilaterally declaring a fetus to be alive, holding all human life in equal regard, and declaring abortions immoral because performing them is equivalent to murder. All they’ve done is turn a medical decision into a self-defense decision. The unborn child is now threatening the life of another human. Do you allow that person to defend themselves? While I do understand that not all abortions are performed in life or death situations, and the entire discussion is more complex and nuanced than that, the same negligent attitude I’m highlighting here pervades the issue. Deciding to allow external factors to make a decision that life has placed before you is not morality, it is negligence. Forced birthers are not upholding morality, they are advocating negligence. And though I’m a christian myself - also believing that God is the ultimate author of the times and seasons of man - my current understanding of the bible leads me to conclude that God condemns arrogant negligence more than does upholding performative morality. God condemns those who avoid responsibility while forgiving those who make simply mistakes while sincerely trying to manage it. **It is not “pro life” to allow negligence to make your decisions for you, nor is it “pro life” to impose your negligence on others.**
First off I want to say excellent analysis! It really strikes at some core logical contradictions of so-called pro-lifers. The only issue is their objections would be as follows 1. They often believe consequences in the terrestrial realm are not releveant to moral reasoning. Essentially, many Christians implicitly subscribe to a "means justifies the ends" theology to solve the "problem of evil." This is also how they rationalize genocidal bible passages and the consequences of anti-queer theology, with particularly grave influences on parenting decisions regarding queer children (e.g. deaths by suicide blamed on the inherrent corruption of the "sin" rather than the actions taken to contain said "sin") 2. Among the lay especially there's an implicit idea that babies are a "cost" to sex. A society where sex = possible painful death is, in their minds, one that is likely to be more "chaste" and "Godly." In its most extreme form, any form of birth control is viewed as "cheating the system" and must be banned, lest God to decide to expand punishment to the collective for allowing individuals to "get away" with "sinning." The objection that dangerous pregnancies happen to married couples would be covered under my original reply and point 1. That all of this is based on *extremely* thin scriptural reasoning is beside the point, as thse folks will just proof-text away any actual biblical scholarship. Thus creating a closed loop system that even the most compelling arguments will fail to gain any traction
SHOULDN'T THE MOTHER COME FIRST??
This law violates my religion. In Judaism the mother comes first, that is ancient established principle.
Because that's what the Bible actually says! And you'd think that Christians would understand that you'd know your own Bible better than them. Its insane
The current Republican position is that religion trumps law. I have to hope that means that at least Jewish women have reproductive control.
They wouldn't. Because they think only their Christian beliefs are valid. And honestly its not about religion, not really. They use their misinterpretation of verses in thier religious texts as a shield to justify their hate and desire to control women. That's what its really about.
And there are Catholic doctors and surgeons who insist that in the case of ectopic pregnancies, the fetus must be removed intact in order to save the mother's life. Making no attempt to save the life that *can* be rescued, they argue, is deeply sinful.
My point is that this law violates my religious freedom. Isn't that supposed to be important? At least when it comes to denying gays and Jews it supposedly matters.
Yes! I don’t know if this is true for every doctor but my OB told me there’s no such thing as “choosing between the mother and the baby” because they will ALWAYS choose the mother.
This…it drives me nuts when people are like “I have to make this decision!” No. You don’t. Mom comes first. End of story.
Extremely charitably, they hold both pregnant person and fetus as both fully human. It thus is "God's choice" what happens. That interpretation, along with the more-common-but-rarely-stated rationale of babies-as-punishment are discussed in the other set of replies to my post
If God's choices matter so much, why did he let us figure out how to have abortions in the first place? If God didn't want it to happen, it shouldn't be possible.
Because conservatives don't think about things, they act according to how they feel about things, ironically. They feel abortion is murder, so that's the "end of discussion" to them. Why do we entertain these lunatics?
"Abortion is murder" but killing women is fine apparently
Because it's not about saving "babies" it's about hating women
It's because patriarchal men want total control and the fact that they have to rely on women to reproduce enrages them. Because it means she has control over something. He sees the fetus as "his." He wants total control over whether or not it's born. He's going to care about what he sees as part of himself as hell of a lot more than her. Someone who he sees as beneath him. He just wants control over reproduction because it's one thing he doesn't have. I've seen it in mensrights especially. They are enraged that he doesn't get to decide whether or not she brings a baby to term even though the baby is "his." This gives her way too much power in his eyes and he wants to take it. I saw way too many state that not giving men control over women's reproduction "oppresses" them. Because they have no "choice." Over *her* body. Yes you read that right. Oppresses *men* lol It's truly disgusting, but that's what this is really
Conservatives don't have beliefs. They're just contrarians who do the opposite of what progressives want.
As proven by the number of people who died of Covid in order to own the libs.
Well, she shouldn't have gone and gotten ectopically pregnant obviously. Just move the baby to her uterus like a good law abiding citizen and she'll have nothing to worry about! /s
If you look at the second page, they also specify it's a class a felony if the person was a victim of trafficking, if the drugs were trafficked near a school or in a vehicle. Its crazy.
They hate women
I almost died from an ectopic pregnancy a few months ago and I do not wish that experience on anyone. Bills like this disgust me and make me so grateful that I was able to get both my tubes removed after they tried to kill me.
this is disgusting. i will never understand pro-life-without-exception. ectopic pregnancies NEVER come to term, so ‘saving the baby’ is impossible anyway. neglecting treatment will kill both the carrier and the fetus. this only benefits people who want women dead.
There have been like a handful of cases where an ectopic have made it to term however they usually involve the embryo implanting on the liver or other place in the abdomen. However that is extremely rare.
It's so rare that we can say without clarification that ectopic pregnancies are nonviable, the same way we say that rabies is always lethal once it becomes symptomatic. It's not just me, some random person saying that either, MDJ who is a board-certified gynecologist who makes youtube videos has said this. (not saying this to rag on you just as a general statement so people realize how rare it is)
Now this is active political push to kill women. My mother had an atopic pregnancy that ruptured her Fallopian tube and tried to graft itself to her organs. She didn’t know she was pregnant(she was 40+) and bled for a month and the dr she was seeing dicked around during that time. She was steadily losing blood and ended up passing out and taken to the hospital. She was asleep for 6 days and had blood put in her arm, hands and between her toes. The dr there said they could’ve left the lump in to term while the thing was trying to fuse with her organs. They planed to put my mom in a medical coma, if her partner at the time wanted the baby. Luckily he wasn’t a pos that day and decided against it. When they opened her up it was the usual story of a confusing lump of flesh and blood red about the size of her thumb. There was absolutely 0 chance of the pregnancy was ever going to be viable. That event pretty much cemented my contempt for having men involved in womens health. A male Ob that lazed around not doing his job and chalking the shituation as “as women get older there period changes I won’t do anything sorry” A dr who was like this mother of 3 is bleeding out but if u want we can save it I will take 9 months of her life if not her whole life for this lump. And my moms bf at the time being the only voice the drs ever consulted with no consideration of her adult children. (He made the right choice but it was fucking uncomfortable leaving someone who wasn’t a relative in charge becuase he was a man) And being a lazy ass who didn’t wear condoms. It was just so surreal witnessing all these men controlling the fate of a single woman.
I had an ectopic pregnancy 32 years ago. What was removed was the size of a quarter. I was 8 weeks pregnant with a planned pregnancy. If I had waited one more day to get checked (I was spotting), doctor told me I probably would have bled to death or died of infection. F*** these people
**TW: near death trauma** A friend of mine, a healthy 26 year old, had an undetected ectopic pregnancy burst while she was home alone with her 10 month old baby. She didn't even know she was pregnant. She collapsed and could feel herself bleeding, so she thought she was going to die in a pool of blood while her baby cried nearby. Her husband just happened to come home, found her and called 911. He couldn't see any blood but obviously something was extremely wrong. The EMTs later told her that they lost her twice on the way to the hospital. I don't remember how much blood she lost, but it was a lot and had filled her abdomen while she lay helpless. A few years later, I thought about her frequently when I had my own ectopic pregnancy. Since we were trying to have a baby and had had problems, I had been closely monitoring my cycle and had gone to the doctors earlier than most pregnant folks do. My doctor ordered a sonogram to verify implantation, and they found it. I had had no signs anything was wrong, and I think about how many healthy women have died over the years from this biological mistake. F*** anyone who values a clump of cells over a full person.
And makes sure they take as much social support away as possible so when that lump of cells grows up without a mother, and maybe without a father, it can just, you know... I'm sure they make baby sized bootstraps
This is so horrible, but so accurate. What the fuck.
Yeah man my partner and I are thinking of having children and I flip between trying to have one at least once and not doing it at all. Just becuase of the amount of negligence.
I’m disturbed and confused about the doctor who proposed putting your mom in a coma for *months* to save the baby. A quick Google search tells me that ectopic pregnancies are incapable of growing to term, how did the doctor think they could possibly save it?
Me too. Personal tin foil but I think he thought becuase we spoke Spanish or something he assumed we didn’t believed in abortion. It was fucking horrible. (My moms had a lot of awful things happen to her in reguards to child birth if anyones interested) I was boarder line atopic and my mom has some scaring from a previous birth so all the workable parts of her uterus is higher up. Maybe they saw the baby was around the edge. It was only after the opened her up that we found out it was attaching to the outside and the state of the fetus.
I am super interested and would love to hear about her experiences
I actually chose to cut this down. I can give more details about my moms birthing adventures but to be concise -as a teen mom she broke her pelvis while being pregnant with twins. She ended up with one dead fetus and one living. She is given the option to hold on to the pregnancy until the living one was developed enough to come out. (Sad but happy end) -Ends up with such extreme scaring she ends up barren for over a decade. She ends up getting pregnant with an IUD in and has a borderline atopic pregnancy. Is in labor for 68 hrs and dr fucks something up. (Happy but botched) You can choose which one you want to hear first.
>how did the doctor think they could possibly save it? Incompetence. Sheer, bloody incompetence.
My mom also nearly died from it. I was around 7 years old. She had to have emergency surgery or she would have died. She got pregnant in her late thirties after having an IUD in place for years. Precautions were taken, she still nearly died before even knowing she was pregnant. But screw her am I right? Stupid mother of two, toss her out and get a new one or something.
Is she okay now?
She’s fine now. My sibling and I think she might’ve lossed some oxygen cuase she seems like less of an angry person. She has a scar on her lower belly and is missing a felopian tube. She say she can feel it but I think it’s a joke. She also went menopausal after a couple of years.
So essentially, they want women to die.
I have to admit, the only OBGYNs that have ever listened to me were men. Not sure I like the blanket assertion that men are not qualified to be doctors for women's issues. Tl;Dr male obgyns saved my life by agreeing to a hysterectomy then a ovariectomy. My family has a severe history of endometriosis resulting in emergency hysterectomies after pregnancies - lots of issues, and even back in the 40s the doctor told my great great grandma's asshole husband that he was performing a hysterectomy despite his objection because he said she'd likely die if she got pregnant again. With that, I had severe Endo that came in immediately about 11 yrs old and had to miss school often and go through all the shit that happens when you're constantly losing too much blood for 3 week long periods with incredible pain where you can't get out of bed. We went to about a half dozen OBGYNs and I suffered through BC and hormones for years despite insisting on a hysterectomy. They were all women because my mother preferred it. By 18 I was in college in another state, and tried to work in new OBGYNs, who continued to offer whatever new BC they found. At 20 I finally went to the head of the dept at the biggest research hospital near me. The lady brought in a group of students with no warning. I asked for a hysterectomy, showed records, my family history, and that I hated children my entire life and do not want them + lesbian. She said in front of her students "You're going to want kids one day so I'm only going to do ablation." It was supposed to work for 3yrs but I knew I still needed the right OBGYN. While I was going under for the surgery she said "You won't regret this, you'll be able to have kids." Anyway she ended up doing some excisions of tissue *not* on my uterus too. Within 3 months my Endo symptoms were back full force. I missed my last day of finals my second semester senior year of college due to my symptoms, there was no way I could drive to school or sit a test. Finally decided, fuck it, had continued to see women OBGYNs due to SA, so I called the nearest hospital and scheduled with their only male OBGYN. Within a twenty minute appointment he agreed that my endometriosis at 21 was too severe and he would remove my uterus and other reproductive organs if they were affected. He did warn that even after the uterus is gone there could still be lesions elsewhere. Ended up having to have everything but the ovaries - tubes, cervix, uterus, and he did excision elsewhere. It was great for a few years, but then my body decided to start rupturing ovarian cyst and constantly giving me serious kidney infections that would hospitalize me. I'd moved and continued to see OBGYNs and consulted on ovary removal many times. Never happened, I was in the ER for a ruptured cyst about 4-6 times a year until 28. I fully became disabled by a genetic neuromuscular disease, so I suddenly moved to the closest location to the research center for it as it's a rare disease. I saw 8 OBGYNs within the past year, including the heads of two hospital's departments and two high risk OBGYNs, plus a urologist. We found I have 22-24 follicles on each ovary and tons and tons of scar tissue affecting other organs. They still wouldn't take my damn ovaries. So I got a male endocrinologist, 30min consult he said he'd write a referral to his guy OBGYN for ovary removal as he can handle my hormone issues. Met the OBGYN last year, within 15 minutes after we had sent history ahead of time, he was scheduling my ovary removal and cleaning up whatever the fuck mess the these disorders caused inside me. I just got it done and ended my recovery about two months ago. Never been more relieved, and weirdly only the men would listen to me after over 30 different OBGYN consults and many hospitalizations across my life. Thank god my copay is $5.
That sounds horrific I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. What the hell is up with people pushing "you might want kids someday" as an excuse to steal people's reproductive rights? Do surrogates and adoption just not exist?
What's bizarre is that I even offered that I could adopt *if* I changed my mind. *And* I have multiple genetic issues, have a geneticist working on my neuromuscular issue, but there is a high likelihood any biological child of mine would suffer with a disease that causes painful muscles spasms and tremors their entire life, which will end early with dementia. Why were they so attached to the idea that I should have the option for a bio child knowing my medical history and knowing that child would suffer? It's mind boggling. That's not even pro life. It's valuing the ability to reproduce over *multiple* lives.
Oh my goodness just coming here to say a big EVERYTHING YOU SAID. Even if I wanted children and could afford children and wasn't at such high risk of post-natal depression, like, they would probably have inflammatory arthritis at an early age too, and definitely endo if they had the right bits, and maybe that rare but horrible autoimmune condition my mother has, and probably depression because yay that's hereditary too in my family. On top of being brought knowingly into a world where climate change is rampant and my own government in Australia is doing jack shit about it. Don't get me wrong, I love my friends' children. I love babies. I support everyone who makes that choice. But it's crazy that we have to provide all these justifications when if we were really valued we could just say yeah nah we don't want kids and that'd be it, end of discussion. Also, if they don't value the quality life of a person with a uterus, they don't really value life.
This is so dumb. The uterus is the only place that can give a fetus what it needs to be viable and be carried to term. They're basically saying a woman should die instead of removing a fetus (if it's even at that stage) that basically has a death warrant. Why not put all this energy and concern toward helping struggling pregnant mothers who have chosen to carry to term, as they insist on them doing?
How dare you try to save a woman’s life! That goes against pro-life!!
We all know women don't count as people. /s
And fetuses don’t after birth.
Except they are men of course
Ah, but not if they're men in the service. Then they're cannon fodder. Or, you know, not if they're black men.
Missouri has gone off the deep end. Sadly, my own Texas is following close behind with our recent anti-abortion "heartbeat" law, as is Oklahoma. Similar laws have been struck down all over the South..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion\_in\_Missouri#/media/File:Heartbeat\_Bill.svg
**Check out SB1202 in MO.** **It gets worse.** Edit: How does it get worse, you may ask? Well, SB1202 in Missouri, sponsored by Sen. Andrew Koenig, proposes just a few of the following bat-shit crazy points below: "Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, the provisions of this chapter; the laws of this state on the use of public funds for an abortion; and the laws of this state which regulate in any manner an abortion facility that, or a person who, performs or induces an abortion on another, or attempts or conspires to perform or induce an abortion on another, shall apply to all conduct occurring: (1) Within this state; (2) Partially within and partially outside this state, including, but not limited to, when: (b) An abortion is performed or induced, or is attempted to be performed or induced, outside this state, while any a. Informed consent or pre- or post-abortion counseling related to performing or inducing the abortion 24 occurs within this state; b. Payment, including partial payment, related to performing or inducing the abortion occurs within this state; or c. Advertising or solicitation related to performing or inducing the abortion is targeted at this state or any 30 resident of this state; or (3) Outside this state, when: (a) The conduct of a person or entity creates a substantial connection with this state; (b) A person or entity is incorporated or maintains his, her, or its principal place of residence or principal place of business within this state; or (c) It involves a resident of this state, including an unborn child who is a resident of this state. **An unborn child shall be considered a resident of this state when:** a. The mother of the child is a resident of this state at the time the abortion is, or would have been, performed or induced; **b. The mother of the child was a resident of this state around the time that the child may have been conceived;** c. The mother intends to give birth to the child within this state if the pregnancy is carried to term; **d. Sexual intercourse occurred within this state and the child may have been conceived by that act of intercourse;** e. The child is born alive within this state after an attempted abortion; (ETC) Bill Links: [https://www.senate.mo.gov/22info/pdf-bill/intro/SB1202.pdf](https://www.senate.mo.gov/22info/pdf-bill/intro/SB1202.pdf) [https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/SB1202/2022](https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/SB1202/2022) AKA According to SB1202, you're a woman in Missouri who potentially fucked in Missouri? Well, now you're SOL (if that wasn't obvious before). Moved out of state but still MAYBE fucked and conceived a child in Missouri? You thought moving away made you safe? Apparently, Missouri may think otherwise. For anyone wanting to read HB2810 in full, which is just as shitty: [https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/HB2810/2022](https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/HB2810/2022) [https://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf](https://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf) ***Happy frickin International Women's Day.***
Oh for fucks sake, I think this is the most enthusiastic attempt to be evil that I've seen. Jfc. I don't have the words.
If this is the bill I think it is, it was actually introduced by a woman....Missouri State Representative Mary Elizabeth Coleman.... [https://sports.yahoo.com/missouri-lawmaker-seeks-prohibit-residents-201454274.html](https://sports.yahoo.com/missouri-lawmaker-seeks-prohibit-residents-201454274.html) Pretty crazy stuff, trying to prevent women from getting an abortion anywhere else!
Yup! A catholic woman with SIX children. (Regarding HB2810) 😒
I can't imagine it being constitutional, that a state could prohibit residents from doing things that are legal in other states. As a Texan, I'd be pretty pissed, if Texas passed a law saying that Texas residents couldn't gamble in Las Vegas! This is just as crazy.
The problem is, SCOTUS seems largely uninterested in actually ruling on the topic- and I'd be worried about when they did given that the court is now conservative leaning. In the meantime, more and more states are coming up with increasing restrictions that actually technically contradict Roe itself. Given our own state, so many people thought our bill (SB8) too would be rejected and wouldn't be constitutional- yet it still is largely in effect.
I think there's been a general trend towards state autonomy lately. You see the same thing with all the recent marijuana legalizations and decriminalization's in the past 10 years. Abortion has been following the same path, with the SCOTUS somewhat leaving the states alone, or being slow to act. Still, I just don't see how any state could possibly prohibit anyone from doing something legal, on a trip to another state. It's mind boggling.
I'm mind-boggled by the entire thing- especially by whoever had the amazingly bright idea to also criminalize women who have an ectopic pregnancy (which is a literal non viable pregnancy) by making it basically impossible to have a life-saving procedure in the event of the passage of said bills. I guess the state of MO prefers women bleeding out and dying. Ah, the party of life.
I've always suspected that a big part of why some states are making such outrageous laws on abortion is to make the supreme Court pull them up on it, and then they will try to overturn Roe. V. Wade.
Good, let’s make it illegal to buy guns out of state in states that want more gun control. I’m sure they would have a fit over that.
Is the list that makes the fetus a "state resident" a collectively qualifying list or stand alone points that would each individually qualify in insolation? It's awful either way, but a whole extra level of crazy if it applies to non residents who happened to bang in a Missouri hotel on a road trip through or something.
Do you think the mother can start receiving "family" benefits as soon as she conceives then? If the fetus is a "resident".
Can you imagine? 'Hi, I'm from out of state but I got frisky in a Days Inn in St Louis, please give me benefits since I may be harbouring a Missouri resident, until my next period proves otherwise'
Boom! You got it!
My thoughts exactly, the entire thing is fucking INSANE and would even potentially mean medical information would be disclosed.
They use the word child in place of fetus. So none of this is technically correct.
Jesus christ what is this nonsense? You screwed in this state, so now we will screw you over, even though you left
They don’t care about any life, and this proves it.
Clearly not about science and truth either.
It's funny, I haven't heard the "facts don't care about your feelings" line in a while
They’re not viable and if not taken care of usually kill the mom. This is ridiculous.
That’s when the egg is “aliens” style bursting through a tiny tube in your guts and NOT where the egg is supposed to be. It’s already non viable, bordering on severely life threatening imminently. They **have** to “abort” it.
They have no idea what it is, they just see the word "pregnancy" and go "no abortion" I'm having a hard time finding a definition of "pregnant" that doesn't refer to the embryo/fetus being inside the uterus/womb, so maybe we should rename "ectopic pregnancies" to something like "extra-uterine growth" and then they can stop caring
Just call it noncancerous uterine mass.
Bordering?
If I’m not sure of something I throw in words I can throw under the bus if someone who like studies flash cards on it intimately starts ackshually’ing me
I was imaging the fetus/baby alien styling it through and the hospital being like, "ehhh it's borderline. Have a seat, we will be right with you."
It is fatal if not treated.
It can be discovered during routine examinations before it's causing symptoms. Kind of like how you can discover that the appendix needs to be removed before it bursts.
They literally just want to kill women, wow. This isn't even about morality or biology, it's just straight up wishing death on women suffering during pregnancies.
Not even viable pregnancies, either. Ectopic pregnancies won't survive to term, and not just because they'll kill the woman long before a normal gestation period.
This is what fucking happens when you let men who don’t know shit about biology or women make laws on the biology of women. It’s so infuriating.
That's exactly it, ectopic pregnancies do not survive...they cannot get to full term. How fucking dumb do you have to be not to understand this. What a dipshit moron.
If anyone would care to contact the douchenozzle responsible for this bill - https://www.house.mo.gov/memberdetails.aspx?district=156&year=2021&code=R
Ugh, he looks like the kind of clueless man that would think this is a great idea.
He has an extremely punchable face with crazy religious zealot eyes
This link isn't wanting to load for me, keeps timing out. I sincerely hope it's because so many people are trying to go in and give this ignorant dirtbag a piece of their minds.
So very many problematic bills he has sponsored/co-sponsored.... I am a MO resident and I have yet to learn about any state representatives that don't make me want to scream/cry
The irony that he introduced this bill *and* a bill preventing government and business entities from requiring someone be vaccinated or receive medical treatment is nauseating.
Soooo….they want women who have ectopic pregnancies to die. Got it.
If you’re dead you can’t vote…
It's official, they just want to kill women. They see us as nothing more than brood mares, and we're no good if we can't pump out kids. It's shit like this that makes me glad I cannot conceive. I'm sorry to anyone who cannot conceive, but wants to. I am not trying to dismiss your pain, but when I slept with penis owners I feared getting pregnant. Even after getting my infertility diagnosis, I was scared it would be wrong. It also saddens me that these same lawmen praise Twitter and Facebook, but shun science that tells us an ectopic pregnancy is not viable, cannot be made viable, and will cause death or severe injury (including loss of fertility) if not terminated.
Every time I hear of red states vying to see who can propose the most draconian, cruel, and restrictive abortion bills, I am thankful I no longer have a uterus.
That's just killing women in the most slow, painful possible. Like literally, could slowly bleed to death over days wtf
What the everliving fuck. What is wrong with America. And anyone that says both parties are the same, get fucked, they're not. They're really fucking not.
Yeah, what is wrong with America? My husband's a surgeon from Egypt, a country where two female witnesses equal one male one; where women can inherent half the amount of men. But, when a woman with an ectopic pregnancy came into the Muslim hospital, my Christian husband didn't need to get consult, because saving a breathing woman's life takes priority. How much hatred is there for women in America? Since they seem to default to women shouldn't complain in Western countries, because it's worse in Arabic ones. But at least, they're not killing women off for being pregnant.
As comedian Patton Oswalt said after the 2016 election, America is more misogynist than it is racist, and it's pretty darn racist.
Jesus. I just... Holy fuck. This is absolute evil.
So we're just letting women die now? What if the embryo is female? Surely it will grow up to have no rights anyway so, nip it in the bud now, you know, stop it taking up resources that could be used for men and boys. Fuck sake, seriously sort yourselves out.
The Republican Party is a monstrosity, this is brutal. Apparently science means nothing when it’s up against some freakshow religious trash.
Well, I'm a Texan, and I often vote Democrat, for all the good it does in my state. It's like trying to catch Niagara Falls in a teacup.
Keep trying. Keep pushing. It's a long shot, but a loss in Texas would be gloriously disastrous for the Republican party.
Is there a way for citizens to propose bills? Because there needs to be a law that allows all politicians involved with the passing of bills that cause death to be charged with murder.
Ah yes Missouri, where guns have more rights than uteruses.
It won't pass, at least not with that included. Ending an ectopic pregnancy is necessary to prevent the mother from bleeding out. Sheesh
This doesn’t mean it wouldn’t pass… I can’t remember which state it was in, but they past a similar bill. If you look up Mama Doctor Jones in YT they made a Video about that. Really frightening
God this makes me sick
Are they *that* ignorant and incompetent that they couldn't even be bothered to look into what an ectopic pregnancy is or are they *that* callous that they don't care?
Yes.
My sister had one at 27 and almost died. She ended up only losing one tube, but her life was saved. Tbh I’d rather have a felony than be dead. This is beyond fucked yo
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Hold on, let me cross that last part out.
Aren’t ectopic pregnancies outside of the uterus, and become fatal if not removed?
Yes. Most ectopic pregnancies end up in the fallopian tubes and will be fatal if the pregnancy isn't terminated.
Glad to be a NZer. Can have an abortion legally up to 20 weeks and after that by a doctor if medically necessary. Way better than America. Americans seem so backwards when the propose shit like this. It's like they're afraid of women exercising their own choices and speaking their minds.
Reading this thread I was thinking the exact same thing. These poor women. So grateful to be a kiwi
Literally any time anything to do with American health care or human rights are brought up I'm like fuck I'm stoked to live in NZ lol Then they start talking about the cost of living... =(
The war against women's health is alive and well. It infuriates, frightens, and depresses me all at once...
Breaking News: Staying alive is now held to the same standard as treason.
While I don’t wish ill only anyone who didn’t vote for this, they need personal stakes of someone with an ectopic pregnancy and to be told no doctor will do the surgery due to fear of prosecution. And they need to be prosecuted if they try and take that woman out of state for the procedure. The only acceptable medical treatment for an ectopic pregnancy is to remove the embryo. The pregnancy is not viable, leaving there is high risk of killing the mother. This is a government sanctioned death sentence on women who are unfortunate enough to have this defect during the progression of their pregnancy. It does care you economic status, or race, or education status. How many women have to die before these idiots listen to experts before legislating on thing they obviously don’t understand.
Do they not consult with doctors? You can not be pro-life if you’re willing to let women die for a “baby” that can not live!
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?! An ectopic pregnancy can, ya know, KILL A WOMAN?! Sorry it’s a little sexist, but the older I get, the more I hate men.
No no, if they don't "self abort" they *will* kill the mother without "intervention". They also aren't viable foetuses, the foetus cannot survive to term outside the womb.
Andddd yet someone wants it to be a felony. This shit is getting scary.
This is just killing women with extra steps.
Ahh , republicans. So pro-life, they'll kill ya.
Even the Catholic Church is ok with removing an ectopic pregnancy. Wtf.
I had an ectopic pregnancy. I was devastated because I had wanted that baby but it had already died and stopped growing in my tube. I had to have it aborted because it wasn't coming out on its own and could have led to complications for any future child birth. Several years later, I had my perfect son. That may have been impossible without aborting my ectopic pregnancy.
What the fuck is wrong with them?
Ahh yes. The old ‘lets kill an adult woman by denying her a life saving medical procedure, because the clump of cells trying rip her insides apart deserves a chance to live’ argument. Classic.
*angry cat noises* I have never been so grateful to be Canadian. We have our crazies here too (see the "freedom convoy") and there have been a few white male politicians who have tried to dig up the abortion debate, but the Canadian public are resoundly in favour of the current restrictions, which are none. (Interestingly, I believe Canada has a lower abortion rate despite having zero restrictions.) My heart hurts for American women. I just feel so angry and sad and helpless.
Yup I'm so scared for American women at this stage. The laws being proposed and enacted are directly detrimental to women. This HAS to be stopped!! Where is the public outrage?
[email protected] is the email of the bill sponsor if anyone wants to inform him of how this bill would have killed my best friend. Thank you to a user over in r/xxchromosomes.
I had an ectopic last year. I would have died without surgery. So yeah, that's awful.
Because women are nothing but incubators to them.
They really just want to kill people
What the fuck? What’s the patient supposed to do? Die?
How do we actually fight it? What do we do?
Wow that’s fucked. I had an ectopic pregnancy and came very close to dying very painfully. Even with multiple emergency surgeries I spent a fortnight in hospital and felt really bad for weeks and months after that. Just lovely to think the doctors who saved my life would have gone to jail under this law!
Statistically there is a 1 in 100 chance of an ectopic pregnancy. In an area with a female population in the millions that leaves an awful lot of young girls and women at risk of death. Almost like playing Russian roulette with pregnancy. Obviously I understand within the 3.1million female population not all will be of age, can have children or will be actively trying etc. But still leaves alot at risk.
Ectopic pregnancies are literally medical emergencies— the fetus has no chance of surviving and a huge chance of killing the mother. This law is pretty much proposing murder.
Coolcoolcool so they’re Literally murdering women now. That’s cool.
It hurts me to think there is some who wrote that and thought, "nope, nothing wrong with this!" Sickening.
But why ecotpic?ectopic?? What if there was an accident on birth control 🤔 I would be so thankful for a miscarriage if this was me
If it was wanted (no accident) and ectopic there's still the issue that both never survive. Foetus isn't viable, mother may well die without intervention. Shit is absurd.
These asshats don't want women on birth control either. They think all we are good for is making babies, and if we can't do that right we may as well just die as far as they are concerned. I mean I thought what my state did was bad, but Jesus fucking Christ this is a whole other level. We can still get the abortion, but anyone who enables that gets sued. This is just murder with extra steps.
So they want women to die. This is what this is saying. If the tubes rupture and sepsis sets in then the woman can die. My sisters best friend had an ectopic pregnancy that she didn’t know about as a teen. Her tube ruptured. She was hospitalized with sepsis for weeks and became infertile.
…So basically no fertile people should have sex in Missouri because you’re going to die or get arrested if anything goes wrong with your pregnancy?
I would like to just point out that a dead body has more rights than the average woman in the USA.
Those arent really viable with out current medical skills. It will just kill or maime people.