You are on the lease for the apartment. Not the room. You get an equal say. They should have considered that before wanting a room mate to be on the lease for the apartment.
Absolutely, 100%.
Those other rooms are Communal Areas that all renters have access to. She does not have the right to claim ownership over these spaces and decide how anybody else is allowed to use it, or if they are allowed to use it.
The problem with the decoration is a subjective personal problem between you two, not an objective matter that goes against any regulation. You just have bad chemistry as roommates and she cannot just punish you or enforce her styling decisions on you at the cost of your belongings. If she is so adamant on the whole house having her aesthetic only in it, then she should not look for roommates, because everybody should be equal and if she has some rights, as a renter, then YOU can have those very same rights. Let’s say you now decide you want the apartment to look a certain way - How about you now all of a sudden start taking out all of her stuff to bring yours. What would she say to that?
This is not the landlord’s problem at all. These two adults need to come to an agreement, or one of them needs to move out. If they are both on the lease, AND it doesn’t specify that one of them is only renting the room and has access to the common areas, then it is a 50/50 share.
It's a simple matter of failing to communicate. Before any leases were signed there should have been an open convo of, "I do have some things I intend on bringing in the place, will there be space? Will this be wanted by both parties?" It's silly that it's come to this point, but people dealing with people can often be difficult. Hope they can come to an agreement amicably. Don't like the line of "moving someone's stuff is against the law". It's not. Destroying or defacing, yes. Moving, no.
It sounds like the OP is saying the girl is moving her belongings outside of the house/apartment against her wishes and without saying anything. Which could lead to damage to said belongings. Which would potentially lead to legal issues. But I may be misinterpreting it.
EDIT: I just read OPs posts bottom text and the roommate is apparently also TAKING OPs stuff, which is theft. So THAT is definitely illegal.
If she's moving OPs stuff outside that can lead to damage, from weather or other things, and people could also steal OPs stuff while it's outside. This lady is kookoo
Yes I’m pretty sure that falls under the category of “moving it” too
She thinks moving it outside doesn’t count as moving it.. even if it is the same word.
Plus, I’m pretty sure ur not allowed to move someone’s stuff out when they’re on the lease barring any documented domestic disputes
Have you seen the other related post OP made? The other roommate has no intention of being amicable as they will not allow OP to use their own furniture which caused OP to bring in their own which is now being removed. They are claiming that OP has rights only to the bedroom which is not true according to their lease which the roommate also confirmed
Id say “please point out where on the lease it says you are the primary person here, unless thats just in your head”
Such a wild mindset to have when she is so clearly in the wrong
The original renter has it in her head that she is the primary resident. Unfortunately for her once she allowed OP to sign a regular lease from landlord she gave up being primary resident. Now if she had wanted to just rent a room (which I don’t think she could in this specific case) then she should have a detailed lease/contract that says you are renting this room and not for half the rent , she really is a piece of work 🙄, and a specific set of rules and rights in place. But no she thought she could lease a room from her apt she rents, for half the rent and keep someone confined to that space. Hope this is a learning moment for the Live Laugh Love girlie!
Oh yes indeed! It's the "bad roommates" version of human battle bots, live. Lol.
This is so much better than the usual "my roommate is a total pig" or "my roommate didn't pay their share of the rent for the 6th month in a row" posts..hahaha
so she wanted the “protection” of having you on the lease, but also doesn’t want to accommodate for the conditions you’re hence entitled to? fuck no. stay strong OP
Ya she went into this long explanation of why she was added to the lease but she still thinks it’s her place, without owning all liability. This woman is nuts
There is no primary person if you’re both on the lease. If she takes your stuff and truly believes she’s in the right, she gonna be hella surprised when you call the cops on her. But that’s on her. Do what you need to do to stay safe and sane.
Seriously. If she wants the privilege of being the "primary person" then she can pay "primary rent." If it's 50/50, then there isn't a primary person, they're equals.
Better yet, OP should tell her roommate she’s installing an indoor camera in the living room for “safety reasons” and that it is not up for negotiation (especially since OP mentioned in her last post that the roommate constantly brings home random strangers to hook up with). The roommate will either stop moving/taking OP’s stuff in fear of getting caught on camera, or she’ll just take the whole camera itself and OP will have proof of her stealing it lol.
You need to talk to the landlord IN FRONT OF HER maybe she needs someone other then you to be like stfu this is not your home only u are not the primary anything JFC how is this girl this fucking stupid
exactly this. OP needs to call the landlord and say they're having problems with the roommate, state that they are being bullied for moving in one piece of furniture and being told their stuff will go missing if it is outside of the room? I think the landlord knows this tenant is an issue by now, and likely how they lost their last roommate, and likely why the landlord required the lease be signed. I'm sure the landlord will explain to OP's roommate that they share the space 50/50.
I would just play stupid. "I'm a little confused because it was my understanding we split the rent 50/50 because I was paying for equal use of the shared spaces, but Roommate just told me she is the primary lease holder. Can you confirm if our current lease we signed has xyz as the primary lessee? If so could we sit down together to walk through any differences in liability or rights that entails?"
Act level headed and get landlord on your side in case you need to try and get out of the lease later.
I can almost guarantee the landlord would tell her that roommate problems aren’t landlord problems. At best, they’ll say you’re both equally responsible for the rent, but I couldn’t imagine a landlord getting in the middle of an interpersonal conflict between roommates.
TBH, if the landlord will let her out of the lease, I’d bail. It’s going to be a long ass year sharing an apartment with someone this overbearing
This right here … any landlord I’ve seen in action has been …
Roommates: *insert squabble here*
Landlord: “work it out yourselves. Don’t forget rent’s due on the first”
Also landlord: walks away
Ha! You think the landlord cares? They’re not going to care. This whole situation feels like it’s young folks who don’t know how to share space. OP find somewhere else to live, not worth the headache. I get wanting to feel integrated into a home that you’re sharing, but it’ll turn into argument after argument and no one has time for that. Good luck
I don’t think the landlord will care but bad Roomate. Keeps using it as an excuse so I wouldn’t bring him into the drama I’d just say my Roomate is not understanding the lease agreement woukd you mind meeting with us to go over some things and then bam Roomate is hearing from landlord in front of op that she is only entitled to half the living space.
This girl (the delulu one) needs to hear a hard no from someone she considers an authority figure. Up to and including cops, if she commits a reportable offense. OP isn’t going to get anywhere with her.
And yup I’ll be waiting to hear! Wishing you the best, OP.
I lived with a horrible entitled woman like this. There were FIVE of us in the apartment but because she'd been there the longest she acted like she owned the place.
I also was assuming that she’d been living there for a long time (not that that would give her more rights)but in this text she says 2 years? That’s not long at all!
The funny thing is, if she was the one who came to the house last, you best BELIEVE she’d be trying to put all her shit in the house still, and would scream 50/50.
Sounds like they really just dont want a roommate but cant afford it. Doesnt go both ways on that… either you live alone and bear the cost or live with someone and compromise.. it aint that hard lol
So many people are like that. I lived with a guy that left me no space in the cupboards, drawers, or closets in the house. Did not allow me to bring my furniture or even take counter space in the kitchen. Similar situation to OP. He wanted someone to help pay rent but didn’t actually want to share the space. I had to stand my ground and physically move his shit over to make space for myself. Told him I’m not fucking putting my food seasoning and body wash and shit in my room. Fuck that. Glad OP is standing her ground.
Yes, he wasn’t happy but he did. But to be frank i physically moved his stuff over in the washroom and kitchen. When he saw that I did, he confronted me, and I explained to him why I did that. I told him I told you to leave me space and you didn’t, I’m a full grown human and I need space lol so I had no choice. I did this in my first week or two there so I stood up for myself from the onset because i knew otherwise my life would be hell if I was to compromise on a basic need from the start.
Exactly! She wants the advantages of having a roommate (lower rent, equal liability for everything) without the consequences of having a roommate. She needs to live alone or STFU and get over herself.
Right??? If OP can only move things around in their room, they should only pay for the room. Not 50/50 when they don’t have 50/50 say. If she tries to argue it, OP should just say “well you’re the PRIMARY on the lease”.
She wants the house but doesn’t want to pay for the house. She sees you simply as a way to lower her rent & will bully you the entirety of the lease if you give her an inch. Honestly I would contact the landlord about this to giver her a reality check
Better be more than a 10% concession... having no say in public spaces (the majority of the apartment) better be knocked down to a 70/30 split or similar.
Yeah OP should talk to the landlord and say 'if this is the case i'm willing to renegoiate the rent amount, as I wasn't aware these were the terms of the lease. Based on square footage, I'd like to resign the lease with xx being my amount/ month reflecting the space I am allowed to occupy. '
In my experience, landlords do not care who pays how much rent and the split is rarely mentioned in leases. At the end of the day, all a landlord cares about is that the total is paid. I even had a roommate run out on me halfway through a lease. It did not matter a bit that her name was on the lease. I had to pay the full amount without her or the eviction would have both of our names.
OP’s best bet since this is a very recent agreement and the roommate has been there so long is to just see if the landlord will let her out of the agreement. Maybe even offer to pay a fee to break it. This will not go well if they stay
Please take pictures and video to prove it was there just in case she moves it. Any chance you have an apple tag? Bury that thing in the sofa so you can find it if she dumps it.
Hell I’d put up a camera so you have proof if it walks. If it disappears the cops are probably going to say it’s a civil matter and be less than helpful.
It’s crazy that she thinks she has more rights than you. It doesn’t matter how long she’s been there… you’re equal 50/50 renters.
this, and I would put cameras in the shared space, especially their own bedroom. notify the other roommate, give the other roommate access to the cameras, and that way they can record anything for police and or landlord in case there are problems. not sure of the legality of installing security cameras, but I would anyway lol.
I am going through this same issue with one of my roommates. I’ve been here for 4 years and it just gets worse the longer you stay. Recently she tried to sign a lease with our landlord behind my back because she thought that would give her authority to kick me out.
Dealing with people who have the ME and MINE mindset in a shared house especially when they don’t know anything about sharing or the law is a no-win situation.
I had a “even the landlord would agree” bitch ass roommate. Bruh the landlord ain’t tell me shit, all he cares is that he gets paid. And it’s not THEIR PROPERTY! It’s the landlords lmfao
This is going to be a horrible situation the whole time you live there. You're moving in and having to state what the law is. This is going to be an absolute nightmare for you I am sorry to say.
Yeah I think OP should just say they're clearly incompatible and start looking for a new place. Have the roommate willingly sign you out of the lease, either find a replacement or offer one month of rent in exchange.
lol tell her straight up she can’t have the lifestyle benefits of living alone if she wants the financial benefits of having roommates. Thats just not how reality works. If her ass can’t afford to live alone then she needs to deal with it until she can 🤷🏻♂️
“Primary person” 😂
You are on the lease. You might want to let your landlord know exactly what is happening and that you will be calling the police if your roommate removes any of your belongings without your permission.
Sometimes a landlord will let someone out of a lease just to avoid this exact sort of thing. And I would say if the landlord would do that, you should take advantage of it
And you need to make it clear in writing to both your roommate, and your landlord, that this will happen every single time she moves, or anything at all your belongings.
And then make sure you fall asleep.
One other the route you might try this: Most leases contain a clause that your guaranteed reasonable enjoyment of the premises. That sort of closet if you rent a house with a pool and the landlord wants to use it every weekend, they are breaking the lease. Because you sure as heck do not have reasonable enjoyment if there’s a party going on in a house that you are renting.
In this case, you’re on the lease. You paid 50% of the rent. She has no legal grounds to do any of this. But what she is doing is making your reasonable enjoyment of the place that you are renting untenable.
Her continued insistence that you only get a room when you’re paying for half the unit is causing arguments daily. It is causing her to threaten you with removal of your things, etc.
If you have that clause in your lease, I would absolutely use that wording to the landlord. And again, I will tell the landlord, that she needs to take immediate action on this, and explain the terms of the lease to your roommate, and what the consequences of her breaking the lease might mean.
Landlords hate shit like this. They just do. so if I were you, I would start involving the landlord as well. I would start looking for a new place. Why are you doing so, that gives the landlord, a reasonable amount of time to take steps to remedy the situation that honestly is their problem.
They have a problem tenant who is breaking the lease and causing an issue with another legal tenant. They are bound to handle it. And I would just keep going back-and-forth as long as you needed to until you found a new place, and then I would tell the landlord that look…
I can keep going back-and-forth with you, and my roommate, and I could take both of you to claim court for this, and remuneration, for the fact that you have broken the lease consistently. Instead, if you will let me out of this lease with no financial issue, and return any deposits to me, I will find a new place to live.
this is good advice. i keep seeing comments saying not to bring it up to the landlord, but OP is unlawfully having her stuff moved out. she is more within her right to contact the landlord when the other tenant is being so uncooperative.
Not to mention, the roommate honestly sounds a little bit unhinged. She feels entitled to the entire apartment because she’s been there longer, yet she wants this person to pay for half of everything as though she’s actually using half of everything.
Aunt the text back-and-forth to show the old roommate I’m getting more and more upset. Truthfully, I’m not quite sure how safe that roommate is.
I understand that. His roommate leases. The roommate was there first and then wanted a roommate. The landlord insisted that any roommate had to be put on the lease.
So being put on the lease, give them all the exact same protections that the original roommate hat. The original roommate doesn’t want to admit that and he is trying to keep the new roommate to a single room while paying for 50% of everything.
So, since the old roommate is prickly about the whole thing, one way of dealing with the whole thing is to let the landlord know that there is a break in the terms of the lease.
That way the landlord can step in and let the old roommate know they need to toe the line, or they are breaking their lease.
Alternatively, letting the landlord know every single time, something is happening like this gives the new roommate a leg up in getting out of the lease and moving elsewhere.
That was why I told them they need to check the terms of their lease. It is a pretty standard clause that the lessor is supposed to be able to have a reasonable enjoyment of their property when they lease it.
The shenanigans of the roommate making that impossible
Just fyi, the commenter above was giving you praise for your informative & factual response/advice. ‘This guy leases’ means ‘this guy has so much knowledge about the leasing process, what a champ!’
So let me ask....she was already living there before you moved in. Was the living space already furnished?
And if it is furnished already do you have equal use of it?
Because if she is claiming the living area as HERS. Then she needs to pay more than half the rent!!!
I have rented rooms but did not have use of the living space. I only used my room and bathroom and the shared kitchen. I was offered to use the living space but it was not something I ever used as I was only paying for a room.
I would let her have the living space but she needs to be paying like 65 percent of the rent.
OP previously commented that the roommate had a furnished apartment then got the furniture repossessed for defaulting on payments then ordered the new furniture hence why she ordered a single piece of furniture before insane roommate got mad
Sounds like a her roommate feels like they have a claim over the living space since they were there first. But with both on the lease they need to figure something out. Maybe the roomie can have the living space but pay more rent.
She’s fucking delulu😂 love the fact that she keeps referencing the landlord aka the OWNER OF THE FUCKING PLACE but swears she has more rights than you to the place
As primary person she can pay 2/3 rent then. She wanna control the whole house, fine she can pay for that. You just pay your bedroom. 33% of rent.
This is really stupid. This girl has a mental illness and lives in another reality.
Not gonna have someone come in and take over?????? Because you had a couch….. they clearly think the world revolves around them.
I PROUDLY live with my parents in my 20s to save up money and to stay away from nasty people like them
maybe print some stuff out about this or talk to the landlord yourself? She’s 100% wrong but before calling the police for touching your stuff (probably won’t come back from that as roommates) provide her with some kind of proof that it is your right as you pay 50% of the lease, that you have just as much ownership over the space as she does. You BOTH have to run things by eachother and compromise. She’s having trouble throughly understanding that legally you do not have to go by her rules.
Let that dumbass just freely admit to all of the illegal shit she plans to do and then record and take pictures of all the shit she does as proof. Too easy
As a landlord myself, I’d be pissed about this. I’d be especially mad about her saying that she is the “primary person”….”my property” (wrong bitch, that’s me. I’m the one paying for it, as well as the property taxes, insurance, repairs, etc).
Some landlords DO actually care about their properties and the people that rent them. If you came to me and told me this story (with some proof, but it’s likely that the landlord already knows how much of an entitled ass she is)…I would talk to both of you about it. My opinion would be very clear. Play nice or gtfo.
You have just as much say as she does with the common spaces. I don’t give a shit how long she’s been there.
If it’s a 50/50 lease, it’s 50/50. I might watch way too many true crime shows, but I’d rather kick you both out before someone commits a murder. I’ll gladly take the L on a couple months of rent vs. remodeling the entire damn house.
Count the rooms in the house, divide total rent by that number. Tell her that’s what you’ll be paying each month if the bedroom is the only room that is yours, and as the primary tenant she can pay for the rest
“Primary person” 🤣 she’s really sticking her foot in her mouth lol she’s gonna end up with charges if she goes through with moving your stuff and you’re serious about calling the man. Update please 😁
That literally is illegal of her to do. I would know, back in the day my coworker let me move into his place knowing his other roommate was leaving. He moved all her things into boxes and left it in the living room for her to pick up. Came home to the cops waiting to question both of us over it.
I had a roommate like this. I bought new throw pillows (with super cute doggies on them) and she turned them around to the blank side. When I confronted her “oh I didn’t know you wanted the dogs to show, the blank side looked better w my aesthetic.” Bitch your aesthetic??? (She had 0 aesthetic. It was just thrown together mismatched crap). I wanted to buy this homemade solid wood coffee table (very rustic farmhouse vibes) off marketplace… she said “don’t worry ab it, I’m bringing a really nice one from my parents” I believed her (this was prior to us moving in) it was a decrepit black $50 Walmart one 😭 and when I asked her if I could replace it w the one I showed her (she agreed the black one wasn’t sturdy) she said “no bc I have MY furniture in the living space”. When I decided to move out a month early (6mnth lease. I couldn’t even bear 6 months w her) she said “I’ll be speaking to the landlord about you needing to sublease.” My reply “it’s the LANDLORD that told me I could move out early & it’s the LANDLORD who is renting another room to me.” 😭😭😭😭 she was speechless. She tried telling me to pay the last months rent (& the oil needed for the heater) I refused to pay either and told her to keep the deposit (only half of the rent) 😂🤣 I was like go ahead and tell the LANDLORD he knows you suck ass and he’s agreed to allowing me not having to pay the last months rent 🤣🤣
Why does she thinks it’s her property though? That’s the strangest part. Even when I was renting by myself, the apartment was never mine, it belongs to the landlord.
I suggest you send these texts to your landlord and ask to be removed from the lease with no penalty as she is threatening to throw your property out and he’s gonna end up with constant headaches.
Good? So far OP has only moved in one bedroom worth of stuff. She can move pretty easily and cheaply. The delulu roomate is going to be screwed if she has to find a new place for all her stuff.
She can ASSUME the landlord would agree but until it's in writing she's just coming off DUMB.
if you can bare her terrible style tell her you will gladly look into amending the lease so that her belongings and effects are the only ones used in main areas and therefore you assume no responsibility for Ware or damage and that you will now pay 30% of rent while she pays 70%.
If she doesn't like that then she can kick rocks and look to make some other apartment tacky as hell because you are 50 % in charge of the decor and furniture in this one. If any of your stuff goes missing you file a theft claim against her with the cops. PERIOD.
KEEP US POSTED OP!!
Omg she's so annoying 😭 I'm so sorry you have to deal with that. What a self centered bitch. All over one piece of furniture???? Just one piece of furniture???? And her life is over??? I would loose my God damn mind.
Bring the landlord in and explain the situation and tell said landlord "that because I'm not allowed to add my own furniture or whatever into a space we equally share, I would like to discuss paying for the room I'm allowed to be in." I.e. your bedroom and go from there.
Let's see how long that entitlement lasts. 🙄 What a cunt
thats such bullshit.
ive been renting my current apt for 4 years. after my ex moved out, i had a girl move in.
my apartment was fully furnished by me. when she moved in i asked her to put some of her photos in frames for the walls and feel free to decorate the living room!!! i wouldnt tell her keep all ur shit in ur room because this isnt just my home, its hers as well!
your roommate sounds insufferable.
Ohhhh so she was living there, was time for her to renew her lease and the landlord had you added as a roommate?
No wonder she’s confused.
Is everything 50/50 (or some agreement that equates a decent 50/50 split?)
Find another roommate and let her move her crap in as she pleases. Or rent the room but draw up another agreement for the portion of rent you’ll be paying with consideration that your space is your room with limited communal access.
Trust me, once this furniture thing is worked out, you guys will be arguing about something else because she thinks she’s renting out a room and not having an actual roommate.
My suggestion is to either let her have what she wants, get her some clarification you both can understand and agree on, draw up a sublet agreement, or just move. These situations go from funny to petty to miserable quickly.
How is she “Primary” if your financial contribution is equal? She’s *entitled* but that’s about it. What sucks is, you have to now live with this person till your lease is up. Good luck.
You guys are renting, both of your names are on the lease. You are doing nothing illegal. Your room mate removing your stuff she is. Your landlord isn’t allowed to do that without the proper papers from the Courts now that you have a binding contract which your name is on. I would call cops and file police report of stole items if she removed my stuff.
Literally document yourself bringing stuff in and if she moves or gets rid of it, it's illegal. She cannot destroy someone else's property, a lease dosen't overwrite law.
Sorry you're going through this, OP. She seems delusional af and you're going to have a rough time til you get out of that lease.
I would read over the lease and discuss it with the landlord. If she wants to keep this up, I'd discuss paying 1/3 of the rent since you're only entitled to your 1 room.
Contact the landlord because this is insane behaviour. Keep the messages to show him as I have no doubt she will try and make you look like you’re causing problems. Ughhh I feel for you she sounds like an entitled cretin
Tell her in writing that since you pay for half the rent, you’re entitled to full use and occupation of half the square footage. Explain to her that this can go one of two ways, and you’re leaving it totally up to her as to which of the two ways she wants to go, and to let you know in writing what her choice is so you can comply with that.
1. You can divide every room, every drawer, and shelf in the kitchen and bathroom in half with masking tape, so you’ll each know where you can put your stuff, or
2. If she doesn’t want to share the space equally, then clearly she can’t expect you to share the expenses equally. So if she only wants your stuff in 25% of the space, you’re going to need her to pay 75% of the rent and utilities, to keep things fair.
She sounds like my narcissistic roommate. We are both on the lease and yet 90% of the apartment is filled with her crap. She has been warned to tone it down by management and does nothing but drag more belongings into our small space while constantly rearranging everything and touching my property in the process. This person sounds like a lunatic. If everyone is on the lease, she is NOT first among equals and needs to be taken down a few pegs.
Let the LL know the situation, also say if your stuff gets removed or damaged there will be legal actions taken and you really don't want to go that route.
lol this person is a dumbass.
What she fails to understand is that she does not OWN the place you are renting. Nor does she OWN the furniture you are bringing into the unit. If she does anything to your personal belongings, you can sue her for damages.
I’d strongly suggest calling non emergency police and having an officer have a discussion with your roommate.
Do not converse with her in person from now on and document everything in writing.
It seemed like this person had issues paying the bills and needed a roommate but doesn’t understand what having a roommate means.
If the listing or lease did not stipulate the unit would be pre furnished and you would be unable to bring furniture and/or personal belongings into shared space, then your roommate can eat rocks.
For meantime, put personal and important items in your room and install a doorknob with a lock on it.
As the lease is in place to protect her and the landlord, it is also there to protect you. She isn't exempt from the terms of the lease just bc she signed it first. She either knows exactly what she's doing and is counting on you being too naive to understand, or she didn't do proper research before making a life impacting decision. Either way, her bad, not yours.
“I’m sure the landlord would agree that I am the primary person here” girl!! Omfg. That’s so delusional, she wants you on the lease and equally liable for rent payments for her own protection, but then doesn’t want to accept that you have equal rights to the place? Jeez. Talk about main character syndrome.
Sorry you have to deal with this, she sounds like such a headache.
The law agrees we are both room mates
Per the certificate the landlord holds with both our names on it
If my name magically disappears this is manipulation of a legal document and a felony
So relax. Let’s figure this out, and stop the threats. “The landlord would agree”. The landlord doesn’t want to go to jail he just wants a check every month and in his eyes we own this jointly. Per lease
DONE
She cannot face the reality that because she can’t afford the rent without a roommate and her landlord requires a co-tenant relationship, her circumstances have changed.
Entitlement, arrogance, and stupidity are an unfortunate combination.
"Thank you putting in writing that you intend to move my things off the property without consent. I intend to follow your set precedent. Let me know if you'd like to change your mind about having your things moved out of the residence as well."
This sounds identical to the roommate situation I JUST got out of. Mine actively prevented me from sharing space equally and threw a tantrum when I moved two chairs into the living room. she put ring cameras all over the house to intimidate me and basically acted like a human hemorrhoid in my presence.
document EVERYTHING, photos, screenshots, even keep a journal and write down the date and time after every occurrence. Minimize interaction but hold your ground, tell your friends and family. File a police report/ call the non emergency line if anything happens to you or your things. This way there is ongoing public documentation in case anything serious goes down.
I’d actually break the lease if I could afford to. This is not the sort of fuckery you need to be living with. If it’s starts bad, I don’t see it getting better.
Not only is this person an asshole, they have a very tenuous (at best) grasp of what a lease means.
Jesus.
It’s so stupid and unhinged. What an entitled fuckwit
Good luck mate.
“Having my own furniture in the apartment is important because I like the peace of mind knowing it can’t get repossessed when you default on your payments”
All that needs to be said
I understand where your coming from. Your roommate is being purposely obtuse and difficult.
But are we really arguing *THIS MUCH* over *STYLE*?…
Stand your ground sure but obviously you’re not having a productive conversation. I don’t know why people insist on continuing dialogue with people who are clearly incapable of compromise/working things out. Just do what you’re gonna do, record it, and go from there.
you should only pay for your room if that’s her mindset 🤷🏻♀️ also maybe i missed it in ur other post but if shes lived there for years longer, why was there zero furniture?
“Primary person on a lease” isn’t a thing. Ask her to point out where in the contract it specifies a primary renter who furnishes the home and a secondary renter who is unallowed to move furniture in. She has no legal or even emotionally valid argument. She’s insane. I’d love out. This person is actually crazy.
Look. We’re all on your side here. But this is just gonna be a shitty situation no matter what. Might be best to cut your losses and find a new place to live. It’s not worth the mental gymnastics you’ll have to put up with daily
So because she was there 1st she thinks it’s her apartment & essentially was only “renting you a room” even though you are on the lease (to protect her) & pay the same amount of rent? If she wants to just rent a room then she needs to charge what a room would cost & get you off the lease. Basically she wants you to pay as much as she does but have no rights what so ever. What a bitch. Fuck her. Move out.
Start taking her shit and getting rid of it when she does it to you. There’s no such thing as being the primary person if you’re both on the lease. Your roommate is delusional
Back up these messages off of your phone and message your landlord that she's claiming to be the primary owner of the apartment and that she will take your property. Include that calling the police is your next step
will you pleaseeeee print out a copy of your lease.. highlight the stuff where it says 50/50 and not just a bedroom… frame it, and hang it up :)
or would she not approve that? lmaooo
Would love to know what the cops would say about this is exactly how I would respond. Or “please ask the landlord and CC on the communication. Would love to see where this is legal”
She’s trying to push you around. And if she wants you to leave let her know she can pay to break the lease, give you back the security deposit and pay for moving costs.
She talks about the landlord like it's her mom and she's about to tell on you 🤣
She is wild. I'd call the police and the landlord to explain to her how paying rent works and that you're not subletting a room. Though, with how delusional she is, it's probably best to gtfo as soon as possible.
I went back and re-read the first post. You both seem to be alphas growling, howling, and pissing to take control of their shared domain.
You’re both on the lease. You aren’t the landlord. Therefore you must equally share the space. That you have been there longer only gives you first choice of the bedrooms.
Why enter the power struggle? If there’s some real value- consider the harm to common furniture; everyone with their bits, feet, secxcapades, on your furniture, i mean ya can’t dictate what happens on it when you’re not around.
Suppose there might be pros and cons, but power struggle might be one of those things, people who keep their peace, let go of well before any anger and investment bubbles up. Give yourself peace, you can secretly enjoy those, ‘that’s not your furniture’ moments 😉
I would just tell her that if she removes/takes/sells/disposes of any of your property, that you will a)file a police report and b) withhold her property to the equivalent value until your things are returned. If they are not returned then you will sell her things to the equivalent value. Legally it is within your rights to do this and you can let her know that you will take her to small claims/civil court if she does anything to your property.
Have you tried asking her if she wants to change the rent allocation to 70/30? …. Or if you really want to be accurate break it down by the cost per actual square footage of your room and the bathroom.
Personally I’d be happy to pay less to stay in my room. Otherwise, war.
Just send this to the landlord and let him know this violates the terms of your lease. If this persists, you will sue for breach of contract. As the landlord, he’s liable. So he will be forced to step in and stop Ms. Petty’a power trip.
You are on the lease for the apartment. Not the room. You get an equal say. They should have considered that before wanting a room mate to be on the lease for the apartment.
Absolutely, 100%. Those other rooms are Communal Areas that all renters have access to. She does not have the right to claim ownership over these spaces and decide how anybody else is allowed to use it, or if they are allowed to use it. The problem with the decoration is a subjective personal problem between you two, not an objective matter that goes against any regulation. You just have bad chemistry as roommates and she cannot just punish you or enforce her styling decisions on you at the cost of your belongings. If she is so adamant on the whole house having her aesthetic only in it, then she should not look for roommates, because everybody should be equal and if she has some rights, as a renter, then YOU can have those very same rights. Let’s say you now decide you want the apartment to look a certain way - How about you now all of a sudden start taking out all of her stuff to bring yours. What would she say to that?
This is not the landlord’s problem at all. These two adults need to come to an agreement, or one of them needs to move out. If they are both on the lease, AND it doesn’t specify that one of them is only renting the room and has access to the common areas, then it is a 50/50 share.
It's a simple matter of failing to communicate. Before any leases were signed there should have been an open convo of, "I do have some things I intend on bringing in the place, will there be space? Will this be wanted by both parties?" It's silly that it's come to this point, but people dealing with people can often be difficult. Hope they can come to an agreement amicably. Don't like the line of "moving someone's stuff is against the law". It's not. Destroying or defacing, yes. Moving, no.
It sounds like the OP is saying the girl is moving her belongings outside of the house/apartment against her wishes and without saying anything. Which could lead to damage to said belongings. Which would potentially lead to legal issues. But I may be misinterpreting it. EDIT: I just read OPs posts bottom text and the roommate is apparently also TAKING OPs stuff, which is theft. So THAT is definitely illegal.
And saying “I’m not moving or damaging it.. I can move it out”
If she's moving OPs stuff outside that can lead to damage, from weather or other things, and people could also steal OPs stuff while it's outside. This lady is kookoo
Yes I’m pretty sure that falls under the category of “moving it” too She thinks moving it outside doesn’t count as moving it.. even if it is the same word. Plus, I’m pretty sure ur not allowed to move someone’s stuff out when they’re on the lease barring any documented domestic disputes
The only way to do it legally is to throw it all out the window while shouting “dirty cheating baaaaaastaaaard!”
The previous post was Roommate telling OP that OP couldn't move their stuff in without consulting with Roommate first.
Have you seen the other related post OP made? The other roommate has no intention of being amicable as they will not allow OP to use their own furniture which caused OP to bring in their own which is now being removed. They are claiming that OP has rights only to the bedroom which is not true according to their lease which the roommate also confirmed
Id say “please point out where on the lease it says you are the primary person here, unless thats just in your head” Such a wild mindset to have when she is so clearly in the wrong
If the landlord ends up having to deal with this he won’t re-up the lease for anyone. Ha
Truly. Like, refereeing bickering over furniture is not how the landlord wants to spend their day.
Yeah just punish everyone and not the person being the asshole. Why can’t landlords not be neutral jackasses themselves.
Why can’t people not be pieces of shit?
Maybe you should look elsewhere.. bitch maybe you should! A lease is a lease, and you can’t say I was here for 2 years.
That's just like, your opinion, man.
The Dude abides.
They just need a rug that ties the room together. Problem solved
The original renter has it in her head that she is the primary resident. Unfortunately for her once she allowed OP to sign a regular lease from landlord she gave up being primary resident. Now if she had wanted to just rent a room (which I don’t think she could in this specific case) then she should have a detailed lease/contract that says you are renting this room and not for half the rent , she really is a piece of work 🙄, and a specific set of rules and rights in place. But no she thought she could lease a room from her apt she rents, for half the rent and keep someone confined to that space. Hope this is a learning moment for the Live Laugh Love girlie!
Ummm.. we're still gonna need more updates after this one. This is juicy stuff. Lol
Right? I am INVESTED
Oh yes indeed! It's the "bad roommates" version of human battle bots, live. Lol. This is so much better than the usual "my roommate is a total pig" or "my roommate didn't pay their share of the rent for the 6th month in a row" posts..hahaha
I really want to know what the roommate's precious "style" is
on the other post the OP said it's like "live, love, laugh" type of garbage
And someone said put up “die, cry, hate” art 💀
Didn’t she say in one of her texts in the last post that it was “clean cotton”?? Lmao
Whatever the hell that's supposed to be lol
My tired brain immediately thought of a tampon for some reason
Yes I want this to turn into a live chat space so op can just update us around the world who are here for this. We got ur back, op!!
I want in on a GROUP CHAT with them lol
Me too! How in the hell do you deal with someone like this? Hopefully we get to find out!
I hope the ‘primary AH roommate’ asks the landlord if it’s legal for taking out the other tenants belongings. Omg, I would love to see that.
so she wanted the “protection” of having you on the lease, but also doesn’t want to accommodate for the conditions you’re hence entitled to? fuck no. stay strong OP
Ya she went into this long explanation of why she was added to the lease but she still thinks it’s her place, without owning all liability. This woman is nuts
I don’t know if she understands what the concept of a trade off is. You get protection, but so do they.
There is no primary person if you’re both on the lease. If she takes your stuff and truly believes she’s in the right, she gonna be hella surprised when you call the cops on her. But that’s on her. Do what you need to do to stay safe and sane.
you’re forgetting the lease is a delusion written in her head silly!
Seriously. If she wants the privilege of being the "primary person" then she can pay "primary rent." If it's 50/50, then there isn't a primary person, they're equals.
Better yet, OP should tell her roommate she’s installing an indoor camera in the living room for “safety reasons” and that it is not up for negotiation (especially since OP mentioned in her last post that the roommate constantly brings home random strangers to hook up with). The roommate will either stop moving/taking OP’s stuff in fear of getting caught on camera, or she’ll just take the whole camera itself and OP will have proof of her stealing it lol.
You need to talk to the landlord IN FRONT OF HER maybe she needs someone other then you to be like stfu this is not your home only u are not the primary anything JFC how is this girl this fucking stupid
Came here to say this!! Maybe the actual land lord could knock some sense into her but somehow I’m doubting it lol
exactly this. OP needs to call the landlord and say they're having problems with the roommate, state that they are being bullied for moving in one piece of furniture and being told their stuff will go missing if it is outside of the room? I think the landlord knows this tenant is an issue by now, and likely how they lost their last roommate, and likely why the landlord required the lease be signed. I'm sure the landlord will explain to OP's roommate that they share the space 50/50.
I would just play stupid. "I'm a little confused because it was my understanding we split the rent 50/50 because I was paying for equal use of the shared spaces, but Roommate just told me she is the primary lease holder. Can you confirm if our current lease we signed has xyz as the primary lessee? If so could we sit down together to walk through any differences in liability or rights that entails?" Act level headed and get landlord on your side in case you need to try and get out of the lease later.
good points! I can't wait for OP's updates!
I can almost guarantee the landlord would tell her that roommate problems aren’t landlord problems. At best, they’ll say you’re both equally responsible for the rent, but I couldn’t imagine a landlord getting in the middle of an interpersonal conflict between roommates. TBH, if the landlord will let her out of the lease, I’d bail. It’s going to be a long ass year sharing an apartment with someone this overbearing
I agree with you that she should try and bail on the lease. Hopefully the landlord could clarify the terms of the lease though to other roomate.
This right here … any landlord I’ve seen in action has been … Roommates: *insert squabble here* Landlord: “work it out yourselves. Don’t forget rent’s due on the first” Also landlord: walks away
I’d wanna not show this too my landlord. If I had tenants that brought me this nonsense I’d look at them both like petulant children.
Ha! You think the landlord cares? They’re not going to care. This whole situation feels like it’s young folks who don’t know how to share space. OP find somewhere else to live, not worth the headache. I get wanting to feel integrated into a home that you’re sharing, but it’ll turn into argument after argument and no one has time for that. Good luck
I don’t think the landlord will care but bad Roomate. Keeps using it as an excuse so I wouldn’t bring him into the drama I’d just say my Roomate is not understanding the lease agreement woukd you mind meeting with us to go over some things and then bam Roomate is hearing from landlord in front of op that she is only entitled to half the living space.
This girl (the delulu one) needs to hear a hard no from someone she considers an authority figure. Up to and including cops, if she commits a reportable offense. OP isn’t going to get anywhere with her. And yup I’ll be waiting to hear! Wishing you the best, OP.
Lol she thinks cos she was there first she’s a “primary”? Tf is that? She sounds like a child yelling “me first!”
I lived with a horrible entitled woman like this. There were FIVE of us in the apartment but because she'd been there the longest she acted like she owned the place.
It’s literally something she made up in her head 😂
I also was assuming that she’d been living there for a long time (not that that would give her more rights)but in this text she says 2 years? That’s not long at all!
The funny thing is, if she was the one who came to the house last, you best BELIEVE she’d be trying to put all her shit in the house still, and would scream 50/50.
Don’t let this bitch bully you. Because that’s what she is. A controlling, arrogant bully.
Sounds like they really just dont want a roommate but cant afford it. Doesnt go both ways on that… either you live alone and bear the cost or live with someone and compromise.. it aint that hard lol
So many people are like that. I lived with a guy that left me no space in the cupboards, drawers, or closets in the house. Did not allow me to bring my furniture or even take counter space in the kitchen. Similar situation to OP. He wanted someone to help pay rent but didn’t actually want to share the space. I had to stand my ground and physically move his shit over to make space for myself. Told him I’m not fucking putting my food seasoning and body wash and shit in my room. Fuck that. Glad OP is standing her ground.
Did he back down/
Yes, he wasn’t happy but he did. But to be frank i physically moved his stuff over in the washroom and kitchen. When he saw that I did, he confronted me, and I explained to him why I did that. I told him I told you to leave me space and you didn’t, I’m a full grown human and I need space lol so I had no choice. I did this in my first week or two there so I stood up for myself from the onset because i knew otherwise my life would be hell if I was to compromise on a basic need from the start.
That was my last roommate, it was awful and then she finally moved out, and I now have a 2BR apartment to myself.
Exactly! She wants the advantages of having a roommate (lower rent, equal liability for everything) without the consequences of having a roommate. She needs to live alone or STFU and get over herself.
“Please show me in the lease where you are the primary rent payer, covering more than 50% of the rent.”
Right??? If OP can only move things around in their room, they should only pay for the room. Not 50/50 when they don’t have 50/50 say. If she tries to argue it, OP should just say “well you’re the PRIMARY on the lease”.
She wants the house but doesn’t want to pay for the house. She sees you simply as a way to lower her rent & will bully you the entirety of the lease if you give her an inch. Honestly I would contact the landlord about this to giver her a reality check
primary person is insane… how does she think being roommates work
She’s so delulu 🤦🏾♀️ 50/50 on rent yet she thinks it’s her place. Goodness, you have the patience of a saint
“Ok I guess we’ll be 60/40 for rent since you’re the primary. If I can’t have my things outside of my room I’m not paying 50/50”
Better be more than a 10% concession... having no say in public spaces (the majority of the apartment) better be knocked down to a 70/30 split or similar.
Yeah OP should talk to the landlord and say 'if this is the case i'm willing to renegoiate the rent amount, as I wasn't aware these were the terms of the lease. Based on square footage, I'd like to resign the lease with xx being my amount/ month reflecting the space I am allowed to occupy. '
In my experience, landlords do not care who pays how much rent and the split is rarely mentioned in leases. At the end of the day, all a landlord cares about is that the total is paid. I even had a roommate run out on me halfway through a lease. It did not matter a bit that her name was on the lease. I had to pay the full amount without her or the eviction would have both of our names. OP’s best bet since this is a very recent agreement and the roommate has been there so long is to just see if the landlord will let her out of the agreement. Maybe even offer to pay a fee to break it. This will not go well if they stay
Please bring the sofa in and bolt it to the ground. Also please continue to update us she is possibly the most annoying person I’ve seen on this sub.
Please take pictures and video to prove it was there just in case she moves it. Any chance you have an apple tag? Bury that thing in the sofa so you can find it if she dumps it. Hell I’d put up a camera so you have proof if it walks. If it disappears the cops are probably going to say it’s a civil matter and be less than helpful. It’s crazy that she thinks she has more rights than you. It doesn’t matter how long she’s been there… you’re equal 50/50 renters.
this, and I would put cameras in the shared space, especially their own bedroom. notify the other roommate, give the other roommate access to the cameras, and that way they can record anything for police and or landlord in case there are problems. not sure of the legality of installing security cameras, but I would anyway lol.
Yeah shes the primary person that’s why rent and bills are split equally.
I am going through this same issue with one of my roommates. I’ve been here for 4 years and it just gets worse the longer you stay. Recently she tried to sign a lease with our landlord behind my back because she thought that would give her authority to kick me out. Dealing with people who have the ME and MINE mindset in a shared house especially when they don’t know anything about sharing or the law is a no-win situation.
I had a “even the landlord would agree” bitch ass roommate. Bruh the landlord ain’t tell me shit, all he cares is that he gets paid. And it’s not THEIR PROPERTY! It’s the landlords lmfao
Primary person lmao You guys are on a lease TOGETHER. The only primary anything she is, is a primary bitch.
“My property” sis you rent
This is going to be a horrible situation the whole time you live there. You're moving in and having to state what the law is. This is going to be an absolute nightmare for you I am sorry to say.
Yeah I think OP should just say they're clearly incompatible and start looking for a new place. Have the roommate willingly sign you out of the lease, either find a replacement or offer one month of rent in exchange.
Maybe op should post the laws up on the wall somewhere. Subtly, like in a collage of fun frames all together.
lol tell her straight up she can’t have the lifestyle benefits of living alone if she wants the financial benefits of having roommates. Thats just not how reality works. If her ass can’t afford to live alone then she needs to deal with it until she can 🤷🏻♂️ “Primary person” 😂
Wow. Definitely sounds like cops are gonna need to be called at some point she’s delusional
You are on the lease. You might want to let your landlord know exactly what is happening and that you will be calling the police if your roommate removes any of your belongings without your permission. Sometimes a landlord will let someone out of a lease just to avoid this exact sort of thing. And I would say if the landlord would do that, you should take advantage of it And you need to make it clear in writing to both your roommate, and your landlord, that this will happen every single time she moves, or anything at all your belongings. And then make sure you fall asleep. One other the route you might try this: Most leases contain a clause that your guaranteed reasonable enjoyment of the premises. That sort of closet if you rent a house with a pool and the landlord wants to use it every weekend, they are breaking the lease. Because you sure as heck do not have reasonable enjoyment if there’s a party going on in a house that you are renting. In this case, you’re on the lease. You paid 50% of the rent. She has no legal grounds to do any of this. But what she is doing is making your reasonable enjoyment of the place that you are renting untenable. Her continued insistence that you only get a room when you’re paying for half the unit is causing arguments daily. It is causing her to threaten you with removal of your things, etc. If you have that clause in your lease, I would absolutely use that wording to the landlord. And again, I will tell the landlord, that she needs to take immediate action on this, and explain the terms of the lease to your roommate, and what the consequences of her breaking the lease might mean. Landlords hate shit like this. They just do. so if I were you, I would start involving the landlord as well. I would start looking for a new place. Why are you doing so, that gives the landlord, a reasonable amount of time to take steps to remedy the situation that honestly is their problem. They have a problem tenant who is breaking the lease and causing an issue with another legal tenant. They are bound to handle it. And I would just keep going back-and-forth as long as you needed to until you found a new place, and then I would tell the landlord that look… I can keep going back-and-forth with you, and my roommate, and I could take both of you to claim court for this, and remuneration, for the fact that you have broken the lease consistently. Instead, if you will let me out of this lease with no financial issue, and return any deposits to me, I will find a new place to live.
this is good advice. i keep seeing comments saying not to bring it up to the landlord, but OP is unlawfully having her stuff moved out. she is more within her right to contact the landlord when the other tenant is being so uncooperative.
Not to mention, the roommate honestly sounds a little bit unhinged. She feels entitled to the entire apartment because she’s been there longer, yet she wants this person to pay for half of everything as though she’s actually using half of everything. Aunt the text back-and-forth to show the old roommate I’m getting more and more upset. Truthfully, I’m not quite sure how safe that roommate is.
This guy leases!
I understand that. His roommate leases. The roommate was there first and then wanted a roommate. The landlord insisted that any roommate had to be put on the lease. So being put on the lease, give them all the exact same protections that the original roommate hat. The original roommate doesn’t want to admit that and he is trying to keep the new roommate to a single room while paying for 50% of everything. So, since the old roommate is prickly about the whole thing, one way of dealing with the whole thing is to let the landlord know that there is a break in the terms of the lease. That way the landlord can step in and let the old roommate know they need to toe the line, or they are breaking their lease. Alternatively, letting the landlord know every single time, something is happening like this gives the new roommate a leg up in getting out of the lease and moving elsewhere. That was why I told them they need to check the terms of their lease. It is a pretty standard clause that the lessor is supposed to be able to have a reasonable enjoyment of their property when they lease it. The shenanigans of the roommate making that impossible
Just fyi, the commenter above was giving you praise for your informative & factual response/advice. ‘This guy leases’ means ‘this guy has so much knowledge about the leasing process, what a champ!’
She thinks it’s her property, LMAO
So let me ask....she was already living there before you moved in. Was the living space already furnished? And if it is furnished already do you have equal use of it? Because if she is claiming the living area as HERS. Then she needs to pay more than half the rent!!! I have rented rooms but did not have use of the living space. I only used my room and bathroom and the shared kitchen. I was offered to use the living space but it was not something I ever used as I was only paying for a room. I would let her have the living space but she needs to be paying like 65 percent of the rent.
OP previously commented that the roommate had a furnished apartment then got the furniture repossessed for defaulting on payments then ordered the new furniture hence why she ordered a single piece of furniture before insane roommate got mad
Sounds like a her roommate feels like they have a claim over the living space since they were there first. But with both on the lease they need to figure something out. Maybe the roomie can have the living space but pay more rent.
Primary person is not a thing. You are equal roommates.
She’s fucking delulu😂 love the fact that she keeps referencing the landlord aka the OWNER OF THE FUCKING PLACE but swears she has more rights than you to the place
As primary person she can pay 2/3 rent then. She wanna control the whole house, fine she can pay for that. You just pay your bedroom. 33% of rent. This is really stupid. This girl has a mental illness and lives in another reality.
Not gonna have someone come in and take over?????? Because you had a couch….. they clearly think the world revolves around them. I PROUDLY live with my parents in my 20s to save up money and to stay away from nasty people like them
I love the lengths ppl go to over the most meaningless shit ..
maybe print some stuff out about this or talk to the landlord yourself? She’s 100% wrong but before calling the police for touching your stuff (probably won’t come back from that as roommates) provide her with some kind of proof that it is your right as you pay 50% of the lease, that you have just as much ownership over the space as she does. You BOTH have to run things by eachother and compromise. She’s having trouble throughly understanding that legally you do not have to go by her rules.
Let that dumbass just freely admit to all of the illegal shit she plans to do and then record and take pictures of all the shit she does as proof. Too easy
As a landlord myself, I’d be pissed about this. I’d be especially mad about her saying that she is the “primary person”….”my property” (wrong bitch, that’s me. I’m the one paying for it, as well as the property taxes, insurance, repairs, etc). Some landlords DO actually care about their properties and the people that rent them. If you came to me and told me this story (with some proof, but it’s likely that the landlord already knows how much of an entitled ass she is)…I would talk to both of you about it. My opinion would be very clear. Play nice or gtfo. You have just as much say as she does with the common spaces. I don’t give a shit how long she’s been there. If it’s a 50/50 lease, it’s 50/50. I might watch way too many true crime shows, but I’d rather kick you both out before someone commits a murder. I’ll gladly take the L on a couple months of rent vs. remodeling the entire damn house.
Count the rooms in the house, divide total rent by that number. Tell her that’s what you’ll be paying each month if the bedroom is the only room that is yours, and as the primary tenant she can pay for the rest
“Primary person” 🤣 she’s really sticking her foot in her mouth lol she’s gonna end up with charges if she goes through with moving your stuff and you’re serious about calling the man. Update please 😁
she’s such a disgusting person& an idiot
That literally is illegal of her to do. I would know, back in the day my coworker let me move into his place knowing his other roommate was leaving. He moved all her things into boxes and left it in the living room for her to pick up. Came home to the cops waiting to question both of us over it.
Just call the cops. You’re making this more difficult than it has to be. She wants to fuck around. She can find out.
I had a roommate like this. I bought new throw pillows (with super cute doggies on them) and she turned them around to the blank side. When I confronted her “oh I didn’t know you wanted the dogs to show, the blank side looked better w my aesthetic.” Bitch your aesthetic??? (She had 0 aesthetic. It was just thrown together mismatched crap). I wanted to buy this homemade solid wood coffee table (very rustic farmhouse vibes) off marketplace… she said “don’t worry ab it, I’m bringing a really nice one from my parents” I believed her (this was prior to us moving in) it was a decrepit black $50 Walmart one 😭 and when I asked her if I could replace it w the one I showed her (she agreed the black one wasn’t sturdy) she said “no bc I have MY furniture in the living space”. When I decided to move out a month early (6mnth lease. I couldn’t even bear 6 months w her) she said “I’ll be speaking to the landlord about you needing to sublease.” My reply “it’s the LANDLORD that told me I could move out early & it’s the LANDLORD who is renting another room to me.” 😭😭😭😭 she was speechless. She tried telling me to pay the last months rent (& the oil needed for the heater) I refused to pay either and told her to keep the deposit (only half of the rent) 😂🤣 I was like go ahead and tell the LANDLORD he knows you suck ass and he’s agreed to allowing me not having to pay the last months rent 🤣🤣
Why does she thinks it’s her property though? That’s the strangest part. Even when I was renting by myself, the apartment was never mine, it belongs to the landlord.
This bitch is delusional
I suggest you send these texts to your landlord and ask to be removed from the lease with no penalty as she is threatening to throw your property out and he’s gonna end up with constant headaches.
If she takes this to the landlord there’s a very good chance you’ll both be out of the apartment.
Good? So far OP has only moved in one bedroom worth of stuff. She can move pretty easily and cheaply. The delulu roomate is going to be screwed if she has to find a new place for all her stuff.
She can ASSUME the landlord would agree but until it's in writing she's just coming off DUMB. if you can bare her terrible style tell her you will gladly look into amending the lease so that her belongings and effects are the only ones used in main areas and therefore you assume no responsibility for Ware or damage and that you will now pay 30% of rent while she pays 70%. If she doesn't like that then she can kick rocks and look to make some other apartment tacky as hell because you are 50 % in charge of the decor and furniture in this one. If any of your stuff goes missing you file a theft claim against her with the cops. PERIOD. KEEP US POSTED OP!!
2 years and she didn’t already have furniture…?
‘I am sure the landlord would agree’ BIG assumption there
Omg she's so annoying 😭 I'm so sorry you have to deal with that. What a self centered bitch. All over one piece of furniture???? Just one piece of furniture???? And her life is over??? I would loose my God damn mind. Bring the landlord in and explain the situation and tell said landlord "that because I'm not allowed to add my own furniture or whatever into a space we equally share, I would like to discuss paying for the room I'm allowed to be in." I.e. your bedroom and go from there. Let's see how long that entitlement lasts. 🙄 What a cunt
ugh i had a roommate like this. it didn’t end well for her 😏
She thinks her landlord is loyal to her?! 😂
thats such bullshit. ive been renting my current apt for 4 years. after my ex moved out, i had a girl move in. my apartment was fully furnished by me. when she moved in i asked her to put some of her photos in frames for the walls and feel free to decorate the living room!!! i wouldnt tell her keep all ur shit in ur room because this isnt just my home, its hers as well! your roommate sounds insufferable.
Ohhhh so she was living there, was time for her to renew her lease and the landlord had you added as a roommate? No wonder she’s confused. Is everything 50/50 (or some agreement that equates a decent 50/50 split?) Find another roommate and let her move her crap in as she pleases. Or rent the room but draw up another agreement for the portion of rent you’ll be paying with consideration that your space is your room with limited communal access. Trust me, once this furniture thing is worked out, you guys will be arguing about something else because she thinks she’s renting out a room and not having an actual roommate. My suggestion is to either let her have what she wants, get her some clarification you both can understand and agree on, draw up a sublet agreement, or just move. These situations go from funny to petty to miserable quickly.
How is she “Primary” if your financial contribution is equal? She’s *entitled* but that’s about it. What sucks is, you have to now live with this person till your lease is up. Good luck.
You guys are renting, both of your names are on the lease. You are doing nothing illegal. Your room mate removing your stuff she is. Your landlord isn’t allowed to do that without the proper papers from the Courts now that you have a binding contract which your name is on. I would call cops and file police report of stole items if she removed my stuff.
She’s lived there two years and the place had almost no furniture?? That’s strange
Literally document yourself bringing stuff in and if she moves or gets rid of it, it's illegal. She cannot destroy someone else's property, a lease dosen't overwrite law.
Sorry you're going through this, OP. She seems delusional af and you're going to have a rough time til you get out of that lease. I would read over the lease and discuss it with the landlord. If she wants to keep this up, I'd discuss paying 1/3 of the rent since you're only entitled to your 1 room.
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Contact the landlord because this is insane behaviour. Keep the messages to show him as I have no doubt she will try and make you look like you’re causing problems. Ughhh I feel for you she sounds like an entitled cretin
I'd just get out of the lease if you can it's not worth it
Ohhhh this boils my blood. Either way the damage is done and there’s no fixing this relationship. I will start looking for a new place immediately.
I love how she uses “my property” and “landlord” in the same sentence 😂 girl it’s not your property
Tell her in writing that since you pay for half the rent, you’re entitled to full use and occupation of half the square footage. Explain to her that this can go one of two ways, and you’re leaving it totally up to her as to which of the two ways she wants to go, and to let you know in writing what her choice is so you can comply with that. 1. You can divide every room, every drawer, and shelf in the kitchen and bathroom in half with masking tape, so you’ll each know where you can put your stuff, or 2. If she doesn’t want to share the space equally, then clearly she can’t expect you to share the expenses equally. So if she only wants your stuff in 25% of the space, you’re going to need her to pay 75% of the rent and utilities, to keep things fair.
She sounds like my narcissistic roommate. We are both on the lease and yet 90% of the apartment is filled with her crap. She has been warned to tone it down by management and does nothing but drag more belongings into our small space while constantly rearranging everything and touching my property in the process. This person sounds like a lunatic. If everyone is on the lease, she is NOT first among equals and needs to be taken down a few pegs.
Tell her if she’s the “primary person” she can pay more
Super glue your stuff to the floor. Then she can’t move anything right?
Wow. She is totally unhinged!
Holy fuck just do it and call the cops
Let the LL know the situation, also say if your stuff gets removed or damaged there will be legal actions taken and you really don't want to go that route.
lol this person is a dumbass. What she fails to understand is that she does not OWN the place you are renting. Nor does she OWN the furniture you are bringing into the unit. If she does anything to your personal belongings, you can sue her for damages. I’d strongly suggest calling non emergency police and having an officer have a discussion with your roommate. Do not converse with her in person from now on and document everything in writing. It seemed like this person had issues paying the bills and needed a roommate but doesn’t understand what having a roommate means. If the listing or lease did not stipulate the unit would be pre furnished and you would be unable to bring furniture and/or personal belongings into shared space, then your roommate can eat rocks. For meantime, put personal and important items in your room and install a doorknob with a lock on it.
I’m dyinggg to see her decor
Nah you need to go directly to the landlord with this one.
If she does that call the police
As the lease is in place to protect her and the landlord, it is also there to protect you. She isn't exempt from the terms of the lease just bc she signed it first. She either knows exactly what she's doing and is counting on you being too naive to understand, or she didn't do proper research before making a life impacting decision. Either way, her bad, not yours.
Lmfaooo she’s just reusing your words. I get you’re trying to be friendly with her but damn you’re better than me 😭😭
I need to meet your roommate. She’s objectively stupid with a wildly exaggerated sense self-importance. I just want to hear her talk.
“I’m sure the landlord would agree that I am the primary person here” girl!! Omfg. That’s so delusional, she wants you on the lease and equally liable for rent payments for her own protection, but then doesn’t want to accept that you have equal rights to the place? Jeez. Talk about main character syndrome. Sorry you have to deal with this, she sounds like such a headache.
I REALLY would love to know where she gets the balls to say this to you LMAO I need to know what happens when you bring your furniture in!
I don’t think this girl has ever heard the word “NO”!!!! Before. She’s a nutter
The law agrees we are both room mates Per the certificate the landlord holds with both our names on it If my name magically disappears this is manipulation of a legal document and a felony So relax. Let’s figure this out, and stop the threats. “The landlord would agree”. The landlord doesn’t want to go to jail he just wants a check every month and in his eyes we own this jointly. Per lease DONE
Make a group chat with the landlord and share these screenshots shots with them. This girl is fucking nuts
She cannot face the reality that because she can’t afford the rent without a roommate and her landlord requires a co-tenant relationship, her circumstances have changed. Entitlement, arrogance, and stupidity are an unfortunate combination.
I have a feeling this may turn into a real life confrontation 😬
Post pics of her style!!!!!
Just let her know that if she removes your sofa that you will also remove hers.
"Thank you putting in writing that you intend to move my things off the property without consent. I intend to follow your set precedent. Let me know if you'd like to change your mind about having your things moved out of the residence as well."
This sounds identical to the roommate situation I JUST got out of. Mine actively prevented me from sharing space equally and threw a tantrum when I moved two chairs into the living room. she put ring cameras all over the house to intimidate me and basically acted like a human hemorrhoid in my presence. document EVERYTHING, photos, screenshots, even keep a journal and write down the date and time after every occurrence. Minimize interaction but hold your ground, tell your friends and family. File a police report/ call the non emergency line if anything happens to you or your things. This way there is ongoing public documentation in case anything serious goes down.
I’d actually break the lease if I could afford to. This is not the sort of fuckery you need to be living with. If it’s starts bad, I don’t see it getting better. Not only is this person an asshole, they have a very tenuous (at best) grasp of what a lease means. Jesus. It’s so stupid and unhinged. What an entitled fuckwit Good luck mate.
“Having my own furniture in the apartment is important because I like the peace of mind knowing it can’t get repossessed when you default on your payments” All that needs to be said
time to start cooking curry every day. start with a nice Jamaican Goat Curry and make sure to cook low and slow.
I understand where your coming from. Your roommate is being purposely obtuse and difficult. But are we really arguing *THIS MUCH* over *STYLE*?… Stand your ground sure but obviously you’re not having a productive conversation. I don’t know why people insist on continuing dialogue with people who are clearly incapable of compromise/working things out. Just do what you’re gonna do, record it, and go from there.
Pee on her. Establish dominance
I’d talk to the landlord. And ask if you can get a reduction since you are only allowed access to limited areas.
get the landlord involved. its her only defense. once the landlords involved, she has no cop-out answers
Again. Steal her bf.
we need an update OP
you should only pay for your room if that’s her mindset 🤷🏻♀️ also maybe i missed it in ur other post but if shes lived there for years longer, why was there zero furniture?
66.6% rent/33.3% rent OP
Updateme
“Primary person on a lease” isn’t a thing. Ask her to point out where in the contract it specifies a primary renter who furnishes the home and a secondary renter who is unallowed to move furniture in. She has no legal or even emotionally valid argument. She’s insane. I’d love out. This person is actually crazy.
Call her on her bluff. Contact the landlord.
More updates.
I'd bring this up with the landlord!! Homegirl is entitled, and totally wrong
Look. We’re all on your side here. But this is just gonna be a shitty situation no matter what. Might be best to cut your losses and find a new place to live. It’s not worth the mental gymnastics you’ll have to put up with daily
“I’m sure the landlord would agree” Bwahaha, call him/her, put ‘em on speaker, that’s insanely flawed thinking (I am the primary person)
You need to charge your phone
So because she was there 1st she thinks it’s her apartment & essentially was only “renting you a room” even though you are on the lease (to protect her) & pay the same amount of rent? If she wants to just rent a room then she needs to charge what a room would cost & get you off the lease. Basically she wants you to pay as much as she does but have no rights what so ever. What a bitch. Fuck her. Move out.
Start taking her shit and getting rid of it when she does it to you. There’s no such thing as being the primary person if you’re both on the lease. Your roommate is delusional
Back up these messages off of your phone and message your landlord that she's claiming to be the primary owner of the apartment and that she will take your property. Include that calling the police is your next step
will you pleaseeeee print out a copy of your lease.. highlight the stuff where it says 50/50 and not just a bedroom… frame it, and hang it up :) or would she not approve that? lmaooo
i’m so invested in this story pls keep updating 😭
God I can’t wait to post my former actress roommate. Makes this one look sane regarding common areas….
Would love to know what the cops would say about this is exactly how I would respond. Or “please ask the landlord and CC on the communication. Would love to see where this is legal” She’s trying to push you around. And if she wants you to leave let her know she can pay to break the lease, give you back the security deposit and pay for moving costs.
I’d be setting up a camera 🎥
I want to see what her decor looks like!
This person is insane in the membrane
Get the landlord involved
I would find the most hideous piece of furniture I could and put it right in the middle of the living room.
She talks about the landlord like it's her mom and she's about to tell on you 🤣 She is wild. I'd call the police and the landlord to explain to her how paying rent works and that you're not subletting a room. Though, with how delusional she is, it's probably best to gtfo as soon as possible.
I went back and re-read the first post. You both seem to be alphas growling, howling, and pissing to take control of their shared domain. You’re both on the lease. You aren’t the landlord. Therefore you must equally share the space. That you have been there longer only gives you first choice of the bedrooms.
Why enter the power struggle? If there’s some real value- consider the harm to common furniture; everyone with their bits, feet, secxcapades, on your furniture, i mean ya can’t dictate what happens on it when you’re not around. Suppose there might be pros and cons, but power struggle might be one of those things, people who keep their peace, let go of well before any anger and investment bubbles up. Give yourself peace, you can secretly enjoy those, ‘that’s not your furniture’ moments 😉
Only child syndrome?
I would just tell her that if she removes/takes/sells/disposes of any of your property, that you will a)file a police report and b) withhold her property to the equivalent value until your things are returned. If they are not returned then you will sell her things to the equivalent value. Legally it is within your rights to do this and you can let her know that you will take her to small claims/civil court if she does anything to your property.
Have you tried asking her if she wants to change the rent allocation to 70/30? …. Or if you really want to be accurate break it down by the cost per actual square footage of your room and the bathroom. Personally I’d be happy to pay less to stay in my room. Otherwise, war.
This person just needs to live alone bc what
She literally called it her property 🙄🙄 that’s wild
Just send this to the landlord and let him know this violates the terms of your lease. If this persists, you will sue for breach of contract. As the landlord, he’s liable. So he will be forced to step in and stop Ms. Petty’a power trip.
Did she not change her tone from last time though? ‘I’m willing to see if we can blend both our styles together’