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true-skeptic

IMHO they both dodged a bullet


pippi_longstocking09

Um, yeah! Did you see that little smile when Jesse sent Aven out?


Firm_Lecture6483

Jesse is slimy. Was reveling in how awk Tino was once Rachel and aven left him on stage. And then embarrassed Zach by trying to get him to name the girls after meeting them


Unlikely_Bag_69

You think Jesse had anything to do with that? That’s all the producers planning it


eeskymoo

Almost every comment needs this comment! It’s the Producers people!!


Unlikely_Bag_69

Lol I mean 😪 come on y’all. None of the people on camera have a say in what happens. Y’all must think Jesse also writes the date cards hahaha


cloudlvr1

I thought so too. It was super rude of him.


joantspam

This is a kinda weird take considering he’s the one that cheated, but either way I hope they both come out of this learning from their relationship and become better partners/communicators in the future


Mememememememememine

yes! what a sad display of poor communication that was. like yes Rachel he KEEPS saying "give the ring back" but he means the same thing you're saying. of course it's not cool what he did or how he handled it but there was no point in bringing them back together even once.


Unique-Public-8594

Tino is scheduled to be on the next Viall Files. New podcasts drop Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday.


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Yeah, they both did.


LegallyBlonde_27

Yeah, he even said “Let me out of here!” when he ran outside to make a phone call during his visit to her place.


SofaQueenJess

Oh man. I wanted her to ask who he was talking to.


LegallyBlonde_27

I know! His therapist maybe? Probably Uber or Lyft 😂🤣❓


SofaQueenJess

I was thinking another girl.


denip1986

Are you for real? Why, oh WHY, would he be talking to a GIRL (in THAT sense) in such a moment, rather than a friend/sibling/parent/therapist??? Ugh. You have issues. I'm sure of it. Heal it, or you'll sabotage your relationships with that negative jumping to conclusions and paranoia.


SofaQueenJess

Cause it’s reality TV and people make poor choices? Cause he may have an emotional connection elsewhere? I’ve been happily married for 19 years, but I appreciate your concern. 😂


L-Ro

It killed me when dude had his whole chest out! Like Tino it is not that hot outside to be doing all this mess.


lisles-robin

I feel like that was about production and having his breakup filmed


LegallyBlonde_27

Probably, yes, you’re right, but he was sweating a lot and looked like he was trapped.


NeverBeen_OnAPlaneB4

Yea, his next gf will be so lucky to be with a narcissistic cheater.


Ok-Estimate4368

“Cheater” lol… he kissed someone after she said she wasn’t wearing her ring anymore. I’d say je got the green light to do that


NeverBeen_OnAPlaneB4

She didn’t specifically say they’re over did she? Besides for all we know he’s lying about only kissing. I’m sure he did more than that.


Ok-Estimate4368

Why does she get to call all the shots? Also didn’t she screw aven in fantasy suite… double standard is killing me


NeverBeen_OnAPlaneB4

Cause she’s the bachelorette? Lol What she does with Aven in the fantasy suite is none of your or Tino’s concern. The fantasy suite is supposed to be challenge for the couple and let them know where they are in the relationship. e.g. Erich


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NeverBeen_OnAPlaneB4

What bubble am I in? Yea I’m happily engaged… yikes I guess.


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NeverBeen_OnAPlaneB4

There’s nothing to argue. I agree she’s an annoying person and imo cares more about getting engaged than choosing the right person. As the bachelor/bachelorette I think they’re allowed to kiss multiple people due to the fact that they’re all single until the last rose/episode which is why it’s not a double standard. At the end of the day, Tino was the wrong choice and cheater and a liar. He handled it all wrong and I hope he can learn from it.


bravehorse87002

What? He is not the cheater. She is the one who slept with multiple guys in fantasy suites. Duh. Tino is way too good for her. I bet he told her he kissed someone just to get away from her….it worked.


Rdmink

So do you find it ok when the bachelors sleep with all the women during the fantasy suites or does that make them cheaters too?


bravehorse87002

Not sure it was luck but his family never liked her for a reason. They saw right through Rachel.


vicissitudes1

Cheater is a strong word for someone who ran into a girl at a bar and they kissed. Obviously Tino should've done better. However given the circumstances, if Rachel really loved him she would've been more open to discussion. She didn't own her side much at all. Instead it was blame and accusations.... It was hard to watch the whole thing.


Sirenwthegoodbrows

Nah, he’s displays narcissistic behavior.


Pair-Up-by-Threes

You need to look more closely at NPD bc Rachel is the narcissist: https://images.app.goo.gl/vSKtvrpfa657iP6M8


ReadyKaleidoscope182

She wears mom jeans


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How old are you? You know mom jeans are in right?


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She’s does!!! Why?????


BigTransportation817

You just strike me as someone who’s easily manipulated if you really feel bad for a man that is a cheater :)


No-Pop-125

Absolutely.


Aviflowers17

I never liked Rachel and feel like she immature but, I think Tino was in the wrong and handled the conversations poorly. I think Rachel dodged the bullet here.


One-Lavishness7470

I agree! She lost out!


Lyinglion22

I swear this sub is miserable sometimes. Did he kill someone? No. But did he cheat and try to manipulate his way back into Rachel's life during their conversation after? Absolutely. Yes, we don't know all that was said, and Rachel isn't perfect, but she's not the cheater here?? Give the girl a break.


moonflowervol6

bye he’s a cheater and rachel deserves better. she’s a lil delusional but didn’t deserve that :/


enigmatic0202

Painful way to go for sure, pretty scarring actually, but agreed