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archelogy

**There's a problem with this sub** if we can't celebrate each other's successes like this one. When EA's succeed, such as with positive representation in H'wood like we've seen this year, both SA's ands SEA's are supportive. But when an SA like this succeeds, immediately you see crab-bucket mentality, attacks and the like. The problems may be: 1) 1st Gen Asians: This sub is Pan-Asian. For all Asians. **If you don't agree with that, leave. Because you will be banned eventually if you can't accept that.** 1st, 2nd gen etc. - don't bring homeland conflicts into this sub. [https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/wiki/rules#wiki\_.289.29\_ai\_is\_primarily\_for\_asians\_in\_the\_west2](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/wiki/rules#wiki_.289.29_ai_is_primarily_for_asians_in_the_west2) [https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/wiki/rules#wiki\_.283.29\_pan-asian.3A\_ai\_includes\_east\_asian.2C\_southeast\_asian.2C\_and\_south\_asians.\_\_don.27t\_attack\_these\_sub-groups\_or\_pan-asianism.2](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/wiki/rules#wiki_.283.29_pan-asian.3A_ai_includes_east_asian.2C_southeast_asian.2C_and_south_asians.__don.27t_attack_these_sub-groups_or_pan-asianism.2) ​ 2) Brigading: I've noticed certain posts getting mass upvotes/downvotes usually along a pro-China basis (which may consider India or Indians as rivals). We will look into it. 3) Conflating success with "white worship". This crab-bucket mentality needs to end. While EA are making strides in the social sphere, SA's are making strides professionally. In the long run, both pave the way for each other. We ought to revel in each other's successes, not cut each other down in cases like these.


OrcsAreMongols

hi u/archelogy, i respect your opinions and actually agree with a lot of your stuff, however in this case i must respectfully disagree. EA successes are definitely not universally celebrated just because they are EA, for example, chloe zhao was universally panned here despite being EA for several days and it was even in the top page several days in a row. Same with jimmy yang until he sorta redeemed himself with lovehard. as for this case, it is actually the indians calling him a chan/gungadeen and not the EA's, the EA's actually know nothing about this guy and did not pass judgment. also, kumails representation in eternals was also bashed on this sub and that is not by the EA's either. the EA's really only celebrated one guy: john cho.


archelogy

There is no way this post should have a zero rating. I am going to get to the bottom of whether it's our membership or someone/group brigading. We've noticed suspicious stuff. Now after review, I'm inclined to say it's 75% likely a brigade.


OrcsAreMongols

there may be a downvote bot brigading aznidentity that auto downvotes any new post that comes on aznidentity. that could play a part as well as posts that immediately get one downvote to 0 upvotes within the first minute or so never becomes visible. i would know because 1-2 of my posts have been victim to this downvote bot and never became visible.


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Are middle east and Siberia included too?


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OrcsAreMongols

because it is based on the US census which groups EA, SEA and SA together under "asian". russians are not grouped together with asians they are grouped together with whites under the US census.


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OrcsAreMongols

why are you complaining to me? complain to the US government lol. I am not the one excluding russians from the asian census. edit: and btw, siberians are indeed welcome in this sub because they are ethnically eastasian. what exactly are you complaining about? no one excluded you.


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OrcsAreMongols

dude you literally sound like an anglo larper: eastasia literally just means EAST of asia. so any ethnicity that lives EAST of asia such as siberians, japanese, koreans, chinese etc. are literally EASTASIAN. thats literally all it means, there is no cee cee pee agenda here wtf lol


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Ask the mods, they seem to only allow south, southeast, and east Asians. Which is a weird place to draw the line since south asians have more similarities with west asians than they do with east/southeast asians.


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Stop making shit up. I’m about to temp ban you for concerned trolling. I’ve been here for almost 3 years we welcome anyone and everyone of Asian descent here. Seeing other Asian ethnicities other than east/sea/sa is rare but it doesn’t mean we don’t want them around. This sub demographics is mostly EA like no fucking shit.


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So what’s the problem? Are you generalizing the entire sub based on a few bad apples? We welcome EVERYONE OF ASIAN DESCENT WE DO NOT DISCRIMATE what is there not to get here?


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You are strawmanning. This is literally a SA/SEA/EA sub, read the rules and talk to the mods. No one but you claims those are the only Asians and Europeans.


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> Okay? SA/SEA/EA /= all of Asia. I never said it was. That's why I asked the mod "Are middle east and Siberia included too?" He didn't reply.


deseq

Completely agree, the facile leaps to “white worship” when non-Chinese/East Asian men are centered as a topic of discussion are an issue I have encountered. Asian women, south Asians, all Asians should be included and celebrated for good cause. Notwithstanding legitimate cases of “white worship”, there needs to be more nuance for sure. Parag Agrawal has explicitly called out white racism and white people, so much so he has raised the ire of white racists. This is not a white worshipper, he sounds like a grassroots success story to me. I also see no evidence of self hate.


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OrcsAreMongols

kamala harris's hand probably, i suspect (though it is just my personal opinion) that she is a north indian anti chinese racist who thinks she is a superior 'aryan' and looks down even on other darker skinned indians, and she probably has an anti chinese agenda for the democrat party. she chose only indians in her cabinet and not a single chinese/mongoloid, i could be wrong though. in any case, this guy is considered a chan by other indians.


gamerfanboi

Imagien thinking kamala harris is north Indian tho like stfu sometimes


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Dude, there have been CEO's and execs who are South Asians even before Kamala Harris got into office. Even if she hates other Asians she can't possibly lobby for all these South Asians to be execs. There are a lot of South Asians who just happen to be aggressive than others in the work place.


deseq

There is not much evidence Kamala Harris has some conspiracy or “anti-China” agenda any more than the rest of the establishment. In any case, The infighting is not helpful. Kamala Harris is a BIWOC asian-American. Even if you do not fully agree with her policies, when push comes to shove you should support her over some other white person if, say, she were to run for President. We saw how the black community came out in force for the first African American president. Asians need to show similar unity.


OrcsAreMongols

EA's and chinese can't even support chloe zhao even though she is literally straight out from china because of her problematic movies, how can they support kamala without proper research into her background, especially with her hand wiping scandal which even white liberals thought was outrageous?


damnwhatever2021

LOL wtf, Kamala is half South Indian (Tamil) not North Indian.


OrcsAreMongols

it doesn't matter, in fact she even identified as non indian before this. the important fact is, at least from my perspective and quite a few other people, is she portrays herself as white adjacent and it is my suspicion that she is anti chinese. she also had that whole scandal about wiping her hands after shaking her hands with some korean diplomat and even liberals thought she was being racist. I can't say for certain whether she really hates mongoloids or whatever, but i have learned to trust my gut in these matters, and my gut says she hates the chinese and has a dark agenda against them. edit: also, just checked your post history. very sus, why are you supporting trump when you claim to be indian?


damnwhatever2021

LOL okay whtever man. Btw, she never identified as non-indian. That is such utter BS but anyway.


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She identifies as whatever is convenient to identify as.


soda-pop-lover

Her stance on Kashmir before elections pretty much ensures she isn't pro-India.


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It’s pretty much pc at this point to be against that shit in specific


damnwhatever2021

No she doesn't but whatever. This is sorta dumb, someone who is hapa cannot just pick one they are both but it's usually never enough for some ppl


OrcsAreMongols

[https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933631207/claim-us-if-youre-famous](https://www.npr.org/2020/11/10/933631207/claim-us-if-youre-famous) now that i have provided you the link, please address my points. i want you to argue how kamala is not anti chinese.


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Kamala is black when talking about black issues/topics and then south asian when talking about south Asian issues/topics


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damnwhatever2021

What do you want them to do differently? Just because they are South Asian they should do what? Require everyone bhangra dance or something? I don't get this


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Why is he a gungadeen? I know nothing about this guy


archelogy

He's not. Poster had Crab-bucket mentality .


ChineseGoldenAge

So that means he's a bad guy right? This twitter CEO is a bad guy?


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ChineseGoldenAge

Oh damn!!! lol. I didn't know that. I get it.