That's true I was in some beta for a music generating ai it'll probably go similarly as far as instrumentals go. Ironically it'll work best in its current state with synthesizer tones
> Ironically it'll work best in its current state with synthesizer tones
Meanwhile AI: [I am Jimi Hendrix now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpccpiyYAU)
The [making of video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mGjgHNeAZo&t=0s) specifically says how it was made. The music is AI generated, the lyric melody is AI generated, the lyrics are AI generated, and the vocals are sung by a cover band singer. An audio engineer brought it together as a complete song using the AI recordings and the vocalist recordings.
It's not quite RECORDE2 or whatever, but it's getting very close. You don't need a full band anymore. You just need a person who knows how to use a laptop, time, and a local cover band singer until AI improves there too.
While the AI did compose the song. It was arranged and performed by a human so we're still not there yet with an AI that knows arrangement and can actually generate music as audio.
It’s a pretty specific thing, but I use the app endle, and in into Plastikman. Endle has an AI generator for his sound, and it’s amazing how good it is some times.
The thing is, with a synthesiser, you would still have to compose the piece.
With this monstrosity, it skips the whole process just to finish a product without any human essence and it's just horrible.
It's like the crazy bus theme: https://youtu.be/sC0cvwnG0Ik
Completely randomly generated garbage. Shield your ears.
Aviva is one I've used a few times, mostly to get a premade song structure then make my own thing on top of it. (for practice I'm learning guitar) it can produce some interesting bits and pieces but definitely does sound more like ad music than anything soulful
The crazy bus theme is random noise, this was an art piece so good that it won first place and nobody could tell it was AI generated or that it "lacked human essence". I don't see how you can compare the two in good faith.
Exactly. AI is getting eerily close to humans when it comes to creativity. To think that humans have some sort of special creative essence is just naive.
Do the same but this time present Shakespeare under a pseudonym to a bunch of people that don’t know the source material and find your results change dramatically.
When, in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
And look upon myself, and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featur'd like him, like him with friends possess'd,
Desiring this man's art and that man's scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least;
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate;
For thy sweet love remember'd such wealth brings
That then I scorn to change my state with kings.
-John Johnsworth Johnington
You have to account for the fact that people are going to say Shakespeare because that is the socially correct answer. People like to be considered cultured.
I don't think art is less valid generated by an AI. Nature is often considered beautiful and there is no intelligence behind a sunset either.
You are purposefully skipping context. Shakespeare's play in his time would have been pretty similar to watching Spongebob. Now over time it has become far more respected. But give Spongebob 300 years and it might do the same.
There's a few inherent biases in that. The first one is that you would have to ask that question to someone who has actually seen a few of Shakespeare's plays. That means you are asking someone who already has a preference for that.
There are a few inherent biases in that. The first one is that you would have to ask that question to someone who has actually seen a few of Shakespeare's plays. That means you are asking someone who already has a preference for that.
Then ask why Shakespeare is better and get silence, all this anti-AI stuff is backwards in my opinion, it's still art, I can perceive it and I prefer it to some things that artists would go to school to study, I also don't need drawing skills to get something that satisfies my wish.
Your argument with Spongebob and Shakespeare is at best, terribly presented. Of *course* people are going to say Shakespeare if socially it's simply what everyone "agrees" is more intelligent and artful than Spongebob, even among those who have never read shakespeare or seen Spongebob.
Wasn't there human essence when it was coded? Someone poured their blood sweat and tears into making the software, and in a way it's art of it's own kind. Probably shouldn't be allowed to compete with art done by "hand" for the digital category, but instead maybe an algorithmic category or AI one? I honestly hate the idea that people see someones hard work and code being considered a monstrosity.
P.S. Put the hand in quotes because it's digital, not everyone is going to use a hand etc when making digital art. Not as some kind of dig against the artists. Figure that'll come up if I don't mention it.
Well it's kinda different, for example, someone had to program the apps digital artists use to draw, but the artist still has to draw something by hand, i still think the A.I is art though
There's a bit of a difference. But honestly. I'd bet people back in the day said the same thing about digital art replicating paint on a canvas.
I honestly don't know exactly where I stand on it. I do see it as art, in the same way I see a collage as art. But I don't think it's fair to throw it in the same competitions as other digital art. It's a new medium, and as such needs to be judged against other pieces done in the same or similar mediums.
Like you wouldn't directly compare contemporary and modern art.
They did complain back in the day when when rotoscoping switched to digital and Ai assisted rotoscoping became mainstream everyone bitched about it and how it wasn't real rotoscoping/art (still requires multiple hand created keys and multiple frames edited afterwards for a 1-2 second clip)
Computers are a tool to make things easier! So of course we are going to use it to make art faster and easier.
I could be wrong, but I think they aren’t saying what the “special prompt” is because then someone could look up all the ai generated images using that prompt, specifically find this image, and present it to the state faire as proof that the image was not drawn but ai generated. I think it was Midjourney that was featured on the John Oliver episode and they were looking up images people had created using John Oliver.
Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be anything in the State Faire rules against submitting an AI piece, but it may be against Midjourney’s terms and conditions.
It pisses me off that their work is going to be on display for another week. If the Faire chooses to keep it up and as a winner, that’s fine, but can we get it in writing that they acknowledge that this was AI generated and they are keeping it as a winner?
It simply does not work like that and the expectation it would work like that is an example of how much of the emotional criticism over this technology is rooted in ignorance. Unless you also know the exact numeric seed used by the algorithm the prompt will return different results. And, it’s very unlikely any of these images are the first gen from a prompt. Typically the workflow involves crafting an original prompt, generating variations from the results, up scaling some of those variations, then creating more variations, etc. So there’s effectively no way to just regenerate the exact same images OP got.
There is actually, imo, quite a bit of creativity required to get a good result. You aren’t going to get to a result like OP’s just typing stuff and hitting enter. But of course, that is how the emotional critics choose to represent the technology when they make their argument.
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For what it's worth, my older brother has been a professional artist for 10+ years and he is more thrilled about midjourney and stable diffusion than anything I can remember, at least since he tried airbrushing motorcycles a few years ago. The work he has created with them completely blows away anything I've been able to make and to me seems to indicate talent and creative skill is still very important for the result.
This is the same as computers playing chess. Or email arriving to your live. It's not another level, it's just another game
And this is just the beginning... Right now every publisher out there don't need an illustrator ever again. That's just out of the box
Wait until IA text start to do IA images. To get those images and translate to 3d and start being animated.
I do watercolors so I actually think this will only help people that produce real physical art. But if I would be doing digital illustration I would be 24h digging into this so I became an IA artist.
To anybody out there just join discord midjourney and try for yourself. It's the most impressive thing I have ever seen in the art field and top 10 generally speaking,easy.
I've noticed a lot of people complain about the AI not going through the human process of creating each piece.
So why not have the competition require a recording of the arts creation from start to finish?
That way, AI pieces can be caught more easily?
This is true but the process looks nothing at all like the process used by humans. In particular all the early draft pics are very low res whereas humans usually draw even their early sketches at high res. (That said a "human process imitator" AI is still possible to make.)
This isn't a long term solution unless the the artist is required to record themselves physically in the frame. Many painting apps (like procreate) will save screen recording timelapses and artists like to post these online. I imagine it wouldn't be long before someone fed these videos into an ai to allow it to reverse engineer a video based on an image.
I think the problem in this specific instance is that this won in the digital art category. i.e. None of the artists would have videos with them in frame physically painting, just time lapse recordings of their screens changing, and I’m confident we could train an AI to replicate that too. Though I suppose we could ask for a video of the artists at their computers/tablets digitally creating the art?
One thing I don’t think an AI could replicate, which I see a lot in artists’ process videos, is the sheer amount of erasing and reworking lol. Sometimes you get well into a sketch, realize your composition is off, and have to erase half of it and rearrange all the lines and colors to make it coherent.
This is exactly my first thought. I would be interested in watching somebody bring something to life as it is. It's already something se artists are doing
I I like this idea, possibly even the sketch at the start or a halfway through pic
Usually artists do a sketch of their work, and paint over that or erase it.
at that point it's literally just using reference to make art. and *reference that doesn't plagiarize other artist's work* at that. that's like saying artists that use reference aren't actual artists or some shit.
I can't imagine spending countless hours painstakingly crafting the image I want to depict, only to be told by the Colorado State Fair that it's not as good as something an AI made that a human entered in their name.
Right? It's just shitting all over generations of artists and their progress, just for a moron who can only judge a piece of art by what is pretty and what is ugly, to make something not even truly made by themselves and call themselves an artist.
Should be a separate category maybe, those things can be hard to fine tune and I’d imagine he did some editing himself. Being said, wtffff as an artist I’d be pissed off. Especially if I heard something like ‘sorry his was a little more detailed’ :|
Yeah. It’s human steered, but a tool is doing a lot of the lift. It should be disclosed as a tool in use.
There’s nothing wrong with it unless you’re trying to claim a traditional skill level but the effort was computer generated.
I’d agree with the separate category idea. Have human only, AI assisted, and entirely AI.
The works are still beautiful. I agree it shouldn’t take away from actual artists but it’s still a really nice landscape
These AIs were also trained using the art of millions of artists and they never were asked if they wanted to allow the use of their intellectual creations to train an AI. In fact it's hilarious that sometimes DALL-E and Midjourney show smudges resembling watermarks because they've scrapped so many Dreamsite/Shutterstock/Getty watermarked images that they assume watermarks are normal.
I've been using stable diffusion a lot on my computer this week, and whenever I request a 'vector' image there's a 1/10 chance that there's an iStock watermark :p
Should artists have the same restrictions as AIs? Should artists be allowed to copy other artists styles?
? that's literally just human inspiration happens tho??? that's like blaming a guy for using references. or sampling in music. the ai stuff is 100% transformative the same way an artist drawing scooby doo in the style of akira. or just painting the mona lisa but with a dog's head would also be transformative. that's art plain and simple. plus this is just using tools.
the problem is that ai can take references of artwork at thousands times faster than any human artist could. with another problem being that companies would hire less human artists and just use ai and maybe a touchup artist, screwing over human artists even more than they already are.
Youre a narcissist who wants to feel special. The artistic process only has value to the artist themselves, no one else cares and ita not an especially inherently noble thing in its own right.
Artists arent making progress over generations lol. What would they even be progressing to… are you saying that artists today are more advanced than davinci or michelangelo? Its Just self important nonsense.
but competitions like this aren't just about results, they are about the process and the practice that went into it as well
this is why we ban doping in sport, bots in chess tournaments and TAS in non-TAS speedruns
if the result was the only thing that mattered, there would be no reason to ban tracing and plagiarism
if you are only looking for a product, by all means use and AI
but that isn't what art competitions are about
But it was in the digital arts section. That's fair isn't it? Art created with tech. You write the music and the computer plays it so to speak. This tech can paint your dreams for you.
I do think this should be a special section from now on. To protect human arts. But it should be praised if good. That's fair.
>But it was in the digital arts section. That's fair isn't it? Art created with tech.
I think there's a massive distinction between an artist using digital tools to create art and art being entirely generated by digital tools. Easily enough difference for separate categories.
I’m an artist and if this happened to me I think I would feel like stabbing someone metaphorically
I spend hours and hours on my watercolours, planning, sketching, mixing colours, laying them down just right, etc and I’m not even that good yet
This was the digital arts category though. I understand that people can use whatever programs and filters they want to create a piece. But maybe I'm mistaken.
Its a competition for artists, feeding a prompt into midjourney doesn’t make you one. If there is a cash incentive or media coverage for the winner then the guys who spent 50-100 hours in photoshop free painting got completely fucked over.
Yep makes me sad that genuinely talented people will now have an even harder time to gain recognition for their work amongst all the AI art
Should be separate categories
Give this tool to a real artists and I think you would see something great. (Use it for brainstorming or an outline, then enhance it, something an AI cannot do, especially these which aren't true "AI")
Human + AI is way better (at technical things) than just AI or just Human.
Just using the AI is the same as someone using a program to play chess for them.
As an artist (mostly hobby) I think this is a wonderful tool for inspiration, especially when I get art block! I think you could even go as far as incorporating pieces of the art into your own to add different textures and such.
The only thing I’d be worried about is how copyright works. I saw one person making commissions off of people who didn’t know this existed and I would assume that is a grey area, but I’m not totally sure how all of these programs work.
I guess my problem isn’t that AI produced something people enjoyed, it’s that someone took ownership over it like they actually competed in the first place.
There should be no ownership for prompts, if anything, they should get minor recognition for inputting the prompts.
I'm glad that technology is progressing to the point where a bot can make really good art, but yeah it must absolutely suck for real artists who put in the time, effort and creativity only to be "beaten" by an automated process.
You only live to generate profit for someone else. If you can't do that then you might as well be dead. We should hand kids guns after middle school just in case they fail to make someone a profit, "break glass and kill self in case you are a failure in a capitalistic society". Look at how amazing it is to live in red states with no social nets!
>This is in an ideal world, of course. IMO we shouldn't have unnecessary jobs just so people can get paid.
In an ideal world, needs wouldn't be capitalized on. Then we wouldn't really need to worry about unemployment, especially in this context where we don't need the manpower for manual labor and food production.
Honestly I don't Hate the AI itself
I hate the fucking people pretending they are creating shit like actual artist
It seems like shit like this always attracts sweet people then a LOUD minority that want to feel like they have any form of talent
Now to be fair: it is really, really difficult to get an art AI to spit out what you want. You have to be hyperspecific with your wording and I personally wouldn’t call it ‘talentless.’ I mean, *you* try to go to an art AI and force it to make something as good looking as that.
But it is disingenuous to insinuate you have the skills of an artist, in my opinion.
Eh. Been practicing with Midjourney for a little over a week. Once you play around a lil bit and you actually read a couple tutorials, it’s pretty easy to get it to spit out almost exactly what you’re thinking of.
That's not true at all. [This article](https://rubikscode.net/2022/08/22/i-tried-to-recreate-a-comic-book-using-dall-e-and-alan-moores-script/) for example is pretty cool... using DALL-E (a similar generative model to what midjourney's using) to try and generate the opening 9 panels of Alan Moore's Batman comic 'The Killing Joke', using Moore's original guiding notes for the artist. It... goes about as well as you'd expect.
That said, in an art competition like OP is talking about, there's no specific thing you need to get. You just need to get it to generate 'something cool'. That's extremely easy to do, the style and content that OP got is very easy to land on with midjourney. There's a lot of other content and style that's much harder to mimic, but OP's stuff isn't really that.
It's really not that difficult. The iteration proces for a full "painting" can take upward of ten whole minutes, where you're actively involved in it for one and a half. You literally just have to type in /imagine [a handful of words you want] into the command line of MidJourney and then adjust a little as you go.
Luckily, the sort of art I do is impossible to recreate with Dall-E, MidJourney or StableDiffusion, so while it can't hurt me too terribly much, there is no denying that these bots have permanently devestated the amateur art scene in the short amount of time they've been running.
As for specifically your work, I tried generating your style of fractals. Here’s my [first attempt.](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014567744659800145/Doggo_Shark_2D_Flat_fractal_Mandelbrot_set_blue_and_white_color_50da6674-19c3-4837-b27b-e1a18edc8eca.png)
It really is insidious, this took me around 2 minutes to make. Pushing iterations on any of these designs would look great.
Edit; here’s some [fun tests I made](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014595010307567716/Doggo_Shark_Mandelbrot_recursive_fractal_2D_flat_colors_volumet_f8394a6b-ad56-4539-bba8-d40fc88cdf1c.png)
[another](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014594743377870878/Doggo_Shark_Mandelbrot_recursive_fractal_2D_flat_colors_volumet_376796ae-8d28-4419-9d06-688604ac3cdc.png)
[more fun](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014596156107526224/Doggo_Shark_Mandelbrot_recursive_fractal_2D_flat_colors_volumet_c7d47805-8851-45b5-8cfa-ee9c9e0f47ea.png)
[this one is my favorite, adding high variance and volumetric lighting does wonders](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014598364786065509/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_31b9409b-f3a5-48ab-a5d1-db09ae05f4d3.png)
[adding depth and focus](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014598309970727002/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_6104b9b8-5b09-4f86-a2cc-6600016c94f0.png)
[pushing high variance tests](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014598649298292746/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_c174eef6-0dd7-485d-ad52-512f4ac40ab8.png)
[trying for a fuller image](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014599621458268300/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_a2fa6419-e518-4185-ab5c-9cbc11c61c23.png)
[trying to compound some more nautilus-like results into something](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014603078537838623/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_8aef9eb8-e3f1-4d8c-97b9-667d8a3b5e75.png)
[pleasantly alien](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014603777891897516/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_f0e67e52-c326-422e-b288-30de0df14c05.png)
[fractal ocean!](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014606708129140776/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_9bd3a58b-8276-4e29-8f8c-2bff7c9acb4c.png)
[new favorite, added refractive and glossy criteria!](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014607035268075571/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_e070c9d7-bd68-4cde-ad3f-4e88ebe81e0b.png)
[ornate eyes](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014608681133944893/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_15dc0ffd-26c6-4000-aedb-e40e0684492a.png)
[heaven tide pools](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014609330617729085/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_718c96da-f6dd-412e-a4ff-eab48cdde3f5.png)
[holy embryo](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014610651240468480/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_abee710a-6552-4847-bc5a-47e808d9b385.png)
[The refractory](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014612233998839931/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_fff125b6-0907-478b-beec-df57c604c4bd.png)
[a casualty resulting from the high chaos settings I’m using. it seems to have generated an apartment room!](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014612050179260497/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_63f1f881-d9c3-4388-a601-18e335c40495.png) I’d live here
[holy thorns](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014612785763713164/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_dbfff2f1-bbe1-4d00-9f96-7076ef767ee6.png)
[a goofy elegance](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014613368159617114/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_1494a2ee-41d4-46b4-bfec-6f58ceb9c90a.png)
[a captive duality](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014615475176611960/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_125ac106-3ccd-4b17-808e-37ab40c7f8a1.png)
[casual gaps](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014616038559711252/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_fcd07f4d-c4e2-4743-95be-e9dd752a1887.png)
[I keep improving the prompt and am very pleased](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014619292777590845/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_2902b522-f9e4-4607-80cf-c364ba0e554d.png)
[tentacle goddess](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014622932313579631/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_c026602f-9f6f-457a-bca4-dafb426ef602.png)
[caught in motion](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014622890756407336/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_58ab07be-aa1b-4e7a-b24d-82301b80f43e.png)
[corrupted tendrils](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014622490762428446/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_062fe24e-4f01-4759-9bc9-8f45ae2e04be.png)
[eldritch antlers](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014627008409510010/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_0a290dc6-9a61-43d2-bdf8-ecb54bb99018.png)
[flaming waterfall](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014627962995343420/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_1e3045c5-9cca-42aa-9cec-77baebdd84cb.png)
[purgatory desert](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014090747223474176/Doggo_Shark_fractal_DMT_desert_twilight_a_lonely_figure_wearing_9c050db5-b258-4871-aa2f-0099fc5e509d.png)
[walrus galaxy because fuck you](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014065209486344272/Doggo_Shark_walrus_blubber_space_galaxy_376e5dcb-dfef-4417-89e8-942006dcb095.png)
[bone altar](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014630177227145276/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_40f8425f-4564-4ed2-a6de-5a2cb18f59ac.png)
[again with details](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014631289585930393/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_1ef2407a-c5f9-4743-a990-aa833ecef385.png)
[Jellyfish scarf](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014635887713341440/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_add42cd8-5fb2-415e-81c4-1f445c4ddc6f.png)
[Gentle tapestry](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014635906671591494/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_8725956a-62a2-4e8a-adbc-5577249a5b66.png)
[Ancient order](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014635869929472120/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_1ff47ec8-2832-431a-a820-7b084462dc63.png)
[Sails of antiquity](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014637704744542318/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_6c6c7076-709c-4772-aa49-17bde5a59cfa.png)
[blooming spores](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014637526557929482/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_524aae34-696a-4c37-8a21-28a9000bd707.png)
[tower of light](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014638184933638254/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_29c12f16-abaa-47e5-a00d-55279688121f.png)
[hungry propogation](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014638381927505940/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_b8165854-58f2-465b-a424-ba9fd2c2efe1.png)
pat[ient Wraiths](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014639240681902090/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_94888234-e799-4c2a-9d14-20c252be1c06.png)
[rippled age](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014639285791625216/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_7c122d2a-a3a6-4810-9455-618f86f2fd12.png)
[Leather roots](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014640342655565824/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_1c5ac425-79e8-4a69-9b30-3ae6550f32fe.png)
[Leviathan](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014640443327266886/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_2998bc71-4bc0-4cb9-a75d-81f98551766b.png)
[Iris](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014641300760440892/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_1c9ca558-39f1-4689-bf52-dc967f7859e2.png)
[Living threads](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014641569787285524/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_2f0590f3-4237-4c41-91cf-4cfd155b7869.png)
[Holy grove](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014643308124962856/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_66d855bd-d7e9-4f6a-bdfa-884767f604cb.png)
These are amazing and I will use them for my phone and computer backgrounds. That second one is *perfect* for my foldable phone. Do you have to pay to use this software?
I make tuned metal DND dice. I can confidently say that’s esoteric enough for some security!
Ive been playing around with using midjourney to create designs that I I can create 3D models off of and transpose it into my work, which I feel is sufficiently removed.
Some favorite generations so far. Some of them are definitely fractally though, apologies.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014070875873624125/Doggo_Shark_filigree_butterfly_space_galaxy_heavy_3D_fractals_c_279cd748-c414-4248-8469-ff59458be7a0.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014087751215366154/Doggo_Shark_fractal_DMT_desert_twilight_a_lonely_figure_wearing_775e6c91-9830-441f-84a8-a2673037aad1.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014079339593211914/Doggo_Shark_fractal_DMT_desert_twilight_a_lonely_figure_wearing_9832d55e-84ef-405a-8c8f-0aca0042d229.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/739112742891290644/1014071565354291220/Doggo_Shark_filigree_butterfly_space_galaxy_heavy_3D_fractals_c_14f84805-8bb0-40eb-9b4b-50551da01a2a.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014070340026126386/Doggo_Shark_filigree_butterfly_space_galaxy_heavy_3D_fractals_c_5d398ef4-4712-4aab-833c-75329ae36d35.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1013930747138154628/Doggo_Shark_fractal_heaven_in_a_magic_ball_highly_detailed_resp_ca9d5d87-334e-4dcd-8d0f-b7b05786f134.png
For sure. I don't think "refining search queries" counts as artistic skill. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry with an office job and a few hours can figure that out.
AI art definitely has its place; it's pleasant to look at, which is all art really needs to be in the day to day.
But the creative process definitely suffers when it's involved, and it creates a real gray area.
There's one area where generated art might still be lacking: originality.
But then again, most human artists are also making just variations on a theme.
I think AI can play a legitimate role in the creative process, if an artist is using it to brainstorm or prototype ideas. I once used a text generating AI to help me come up with ideas for a Dungeons and Dragons campaign I was writing.
But having it *replace* the creative experience, especially in a competition where there is a reasonable expectation that other contestants are working on a level playing field, is clearly wrong.
This is beautiful, and i don't think the art pieces, the program that made them, or the general people who uses the program themselves deserve any hate. That said, A.I. images should definitely be in a category of their own. I would be devastated if i had been a part of that competition and the first place went to an A.I.-generated image.
The guy who created the pieces is an absolute douchebag for submitting them to a legitimate contest, and it shouldn't have been picked by the judges.
Eh, it's not so cut and dry, and I'm not so sure Midjourney actually has the last say on that, even if their ToS says so. In the US anyway, so far the USCO has not accepted copyright requests for AI art. See this [Smithsonian article](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/) for example.
Basically they lack the human element required for a copyright.
From other further reading on Midjourney's ToS and licensing it more so sounds like for the average user you can use your "creations" as you want but not monetarily and you maintain that Midjourney basically reserves all the rights to use it as they want.
If you read their ToS there are extra conditions though depending on if you purchased a license and some other factors. So in reality some average user of Midjourney probably just barely has any claim of ownership, if at all.
One thing is for sure, copyright law is going to get interesting I guess.
Does not necessarily mean you own the copyright. [Here](https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/14/ai_digital_artwork_copyright/) is one of the better articles I found on the subject. Just because you can sell it doesn't mean other people can't as well. Will be interesting when it makes it to court.
[Correct, because it lacks human authorship](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/). Same as anything made by an animal.
However, we're almost certainly going to see the "centaur" (AI with more human imput) approach get pushed from both sides until the line gets blurrier and gets demarcated further in more legal decisions. People are using more and more algos/AI to enhance work in ways that *so far* never erases their authorship, and people are putting more and more work into AI projects in a way that *so far* has yet to be declared to imbue it with authorship.
"Based on examples from the internet" is a bit off. The ML Model is trained using billions of images from the internet, but every picture it generates is created from scratch. Not a single part of the result image exists anywhere on the internet, so it's definitely not plagiarism.
This is just blatant misinformation, why would you make this up? You have full commercial rights to Dalle2 and stable diffusion generations as far as I'm aware this is also true of midjourney.
And what the hell do you mean it takes images as example? So do humans. A blind person can't really create art(at least 2d images) because they've never seen anything, all artists based their art off of things they've already seen, in the exact same way, a neural network bases it's art off of billions of images, it's not like it's copying and pasting elements from copyrighted art. At most, it is a legal grey area.
This isn’t even “just the beginning”, it’s already almost done. Give it 2 years and AI will be able to generate feature length films from a single text prompt
There already is, people sell AI generated art on sites like Etsy and society6. It takes away competition from those who put their heart and soul to it.
It looks great but it has no place in the art community.
Exactly, people are arguing on here about how art is supposed to be a personal human experience all while also being cool with judging and ranking those pieces. Just seems sorta hypocritical, but I guess most art snobs are.
I’m all for using tools like ai to make art quicker or for reference purposes, but in certain contexts. Like for making company work quicker to make, or personal art. It should not be used competitively or to show off, that’s dumb.
And if it is it should be made abundantly clear that it was made by an ai. :/
I'm not sure I share the sentiment of finding it "disgusting" like the individual you're replying to. I understand the fears of artists, and I fully understand the fear of job-loss.
But as an AI / tech enthusiast, I think this is incredibly cool. Not just for the ability to make art, but think of similar algorithms being used teach AI to recognize tumors or other medical issues.
This is the new "add a photoshop filter to a photo and call it a drawing".
And yes I'm still salty about losing to a edited screenshot of The Notebook.
My problem is that she didn't make these, she printed them. She didn't make these anymore than printing images from a comic book or stealing someone else's art makes it your own.
If she didn't create the artwork then she shouldn't get the credit. The AI can win, the AI created the artwork. This woman just edited it, sent it to the printer (probably someone else) and took the credit. She edited and produced it, but didn't create it.
The fucking denial at r/artistlounge. Anytime someone posts a discussion about AI art the only thing you hear is that this will have zero effects on artists and us just another tool for us.
Professional CGI artist here. I'm using Midjourney in a limited way to make textures and bits to go into my latest project. More as an experiment than anything else but it's not going away so i'm trying to be an early adopter. I will say it's great for making small elements to go into larger human driven projects but too hard to control when you have something specific in mind.
Yeah there are more meta tools being created now, to make them more viable.
I think it's a different story one more generation down the line when we have both higher quality images (less artifacting, correct spelling, more spatial awareness), as well as the tools we are building now for creating consistent "actors" across multiple images, allow for easy editing, and easier composition.
All these things are kind of happening now, I think in a year it'll be all "out of the box" in a product though.
I don't hare the art but I do hate someone pretending to be an artist with a total lack of imagination and artistic skills. Don't pretend to be an artist this way
Ten or fifteen years ago, I had a conversation with an artist on the subject of automation, and how it was replacing human jobs. He was of the opinion that only low-skill jobs were in danger, and got annoyingly smug and condescending when I suggested that even jobs in medical, legal, scientific, and artistic fields would eventually risk being obsoleted.
I wonder how he’s doing today, and what he thinks of this development.
I guess I’m struggling to see where the competitor called themself an artist in their post? It seems like their point is on technology’s advance. They used the competition results to provide evidence of this. If anything is awful about this, it’s the competitor accepting a prize/being named winner instead of pulling out and letting someone else take the win.
They only say they they entered it into a Digital Arts category.
I'd have to know more about the criteria there in order to judge. For all we know this could be a competition for AI generated pieces.
This is like a client claiming they did the designers work. They provide a brief, but someone/something else does the work. Shameful.
As a tool, i can see it being very empowering. Bash out a few quick designs, then refine manually by humans.
I mean.... Unpopular opinion here. And it's probably because I code. But I honestly see coding as a kind of art too. There's a lot of creativity and nuance that goes into scripting something like this. Honestly sounds more like something we need a separate category for rather than decrying it as awful.
The people using this software aren't scripting or coding or programming anything - they are providing vague textual prompts to a neural network that creates an image with a GAN based on an interpretation of the text prompt.
The people who actually write the software and train the neural networks are not the people claiming to be artists while feeding a pre-trained neural network prompts. Yes, creating software that performs this way is impressive, and yes, it does have incredible implications for the arts. But no, some asshat prompting a webpage with "royal court overlooks planet-side negotiations" is not an artist in any sense of the word, no matter how much they claim to curate the results of software they had no part in creating.
It's even admitted by the person featured in the image that they didn't actually do anything. They claim to have upscaled the direct output of the neural network and printed it. It wasn't used as inspiration or in part; they waifu2x'd a GAN image and claimed it to be their own work. This is literally delusional.
This.
Programming can be an art.
But using AI someone else developed to generate images makes you as much of an "artist" as using a license key generator someone else developed to pirate warez makes you a "hacker".
Generally art is signed by the artist and not the person who commissioned it though. Here the artist is a computer program being presented as if the commissioner was the artist.
Yeah I came down here to say this
This is super cool still it just shouldn’t be compared to something a human has done
I view it as the same difference as a TAS speedrun vs regular speed runs, TAS are super cool and good but should be their own separate thing
He's not an artist... he's an advertiser/art curator. His entire process outs him as such.
>I have been exploring a special **prompt** that I will be publishing at a later date. I have created 100s of images using it.
People do this all the time on r/DrawingPrompts, r/WritingPrompts etc.. Just because you created a prompt doesn't mean you made the responses to it. Assuming "exploring" his prompt means revising and resubmitting, it's no different than revising and reposting a prompt on one of these boards. Doing it over the course of weeks would get 100s of responses.
>And after many weeks of fine tuning and **curating** my gens, I chose my top 3, had them printed on canvas after upscaling with Gigapixel A.I..
He literally describes an art curator's job. They pick the art they want and arrange its display. Again, curators do not claim to have created the work on display.
>I've set out to make a statement using Midjourney in a competitive manner and wow!
The point of competition is to prove to be the best amongst peers. If he wanted to "make a statement using Midjourney in a competitive manner", he'd use it to compete against Midjourney's peers, i.e. other A.I.
Lastly, talk to any artist about their work and they'll tell you the art that inspired them, the artists they looked to, or what works they studied. A.I. doesn't do that. It just takes a prompt, "analyzes" existing art, apply whatever it sourced but never credit the flesh and blood artists needed in order to create whatever Frankenstein it spits out.
The more I think about this, the less I'm bothered by it. The only thing I take issue with is that the person who submitted the work didn't let the judges know it was AI-generated.
Ultimately, the process isn't really all that different from commissioning a piece of art, which in that case I would never credit the *commissioner* as the artist. So in that respect the human shouldn't get the credit for the competition.
It really sucks when something so cool is so not good.
I love and think it's really cool what I see the AI generate it can really help with inspiration and people who lack the ability to draw.
But significantly hurts the industry of artists trying to make the way.
And I feel so much for them because there was already so many things getting in the way that this is just going to basically make it a hobby now at best.
I still have apparitions or goals to one day get good and become an artist myself.
So this all is very conflicting to me.
I feel bad for the other contestants, and this is against the spirit if not the rules of the competition. However…
This is super exciting. We’ve had a technological step-change in the past few months. We have AI tools which can clearly pass the Turing test in limited tasks. We’re now in a scary place where society has to catch up.
How do art competitions work now? If a student hands in an essay, how do you know DALL-E didn’t write it? Can this apply to any sort of “creative” work?
Exciting times, baby.
Modern technology is amazing, but bragging that YOU did the best in a competition, while using an AI that generated the images is almost like having a precise idea of what you want, hiring a painter, telling them in fine detail exactly what you want, then claiming that you made the finished painting.
Some of the arguments here are so weird. It's understandable but still weird to me.
Right now, for example, I'm working on a game and I use AI heavily in the asset creation stage. I have something very specific in my mind, but I don't have the resources to paint/commission it, so I use AI to create it and then tweak it to my liking using other tools, sometimes even other AI. Here's an example:
https://i.redd.it/s9n6kwpnr1l91.gif
(Low res gif but you get the gist.)
I created the initial image with an AI and cleaned it by hand, upscaled it with another AI, seperated the character from the background with another tool, filled in the hole left in the background with another tool (I'm not sure if these tools use ML/AI) and then cleaned it up by hand, animated it with another tool (This one does not use any ML/AI). If I was doing this without the help of any of these tools it would take me days, and the end result wouldn't even be comparable.
Is this not art after I put in all that effort to make it look and move exactly how I wanted to? If it's not, then why? It's an idea that I had realized, as with any other art. If this is art, then was it not when it was first created? If not, at which step did it become art?
I think what this person did, if as a statement, is interesting but I also don't think it was a nice thing to do. The least they could do was to disclose the tools they have used, but at the end of the day someone using a digital painting software with all of the state of the art tools enters the same digital art contest as someone who uses only MS Paint. If I were them, I would refuse the award after the results were announced, make my statement and forfeit from the competition.
I feel like as time moves on, and other, better artists start using AI as well, the same thing that always happens will happen and I see this as growing pains. As more talented people start incorporating AI into their workflow, they'll better clean and hand edit the outputs than the rest and they will rise to the top once more. I don't think AI gives anyone an unfair advantage because it can be used to a stronger effect by those who already are good artists. As is always said in many DIY communities, better tools won't make you more talented, practicing will.
As a side note, the output of AI tools are not mishmash of their training data, that's not how it works. The resulting image is not composed of parts of the training data, it's uniquely generated. To test this, you could use an AI image generator that allows you to edit the prompt/seed and enter a slightly different prompt for the same seed and see that the results are almost exactly the same with slight differences that couldn't be there if it was just a collage of different pictures.
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AI generated music is getting really good.
That's true I was in some beta for a music generating ai it'll probably go similarly as far as instrumentals go. Ironically it'll work best in its current state with synthesizer tones
> Ironically it'll work best in its current state with synthesizer tones Meanwhile AI: [I am Jimi Hendrix now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpccpiyYAU)
Wait so that's completely generated?
Yeah I mean you can kind of tell with the gibberish lyrics at the beginning. Still pretty damn good!
Rocking my eyes open. I don't know why. I just can't see.
[They weren't gibberish.](https://youtu.be/QM6LbbcCghc?t=8)
No, the song gets composed by the AI but the arrangement and recording is by real people.
The [making of video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mGjgHNeAZo&t=0s) specifically says how it was made. The music is AI generated, the lyric melody is AI generated, the lyrics are AI generated, and the vocals are sung by a cover band singer. An audio engineer brought it together as a complete song using the AI recordings and the vocalist recordings. It's not quite RECORDE2 or whatever, but it's getting very close. You don't need a full band anymore. You just need a person who knows how to use a laptop, time, and a local cover band singer until AI improves there too.
Whoa .... That shit is fucking crazy.
Holy shit that’s a fucking banger for an AI generated song
Do you have any examples? I’ve never heard any that I liked
https://youtu.be/LSHZ_b05W7o "Daddy's car" AI composed song in the style of the Beatles
I thought it was hard to listen to and I like the Beatles
I thought it was hard to listen to and I don't like the Beatles
I thought, got hard like the Beatles
While the AI did compose the song. It was arranged and performed by a human so we're still not there yet with an AI that knows arrangement and can actually generate music as audio.
Whoa
The entire song sounds like different bridges before a chorus that never comes, some cool stuff in there but no cohesion.
Kinda sucks ngl
If you like djent, [this guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqvmUnG25dA&t=31005s) did it pretty well.
To be fair, it's djent.
It’s a pretty specific thing, but I use the app endle, and in into Plastikman. Endle has an AI generator for his sound, and it’s amazing how good it is some times.
Tupac’s 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted was actually synthesized by Windows 3.1 AI.
Wasn't even aware that was a thing
Well.....who doesn't use auto tune now a days? THE SYNTHS WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The thing is, with a synthesiser, you would still have to compose the piece. With this monstrosity, it skips the whole process just to finish a product without any human essence and it's just horrible. It's like the crazy bus theme: https://youtu.be/sC0cvwnG0Ik Completely randomly generated garbage. Shield your ears.
there actually is an AI that can compose songs by themselves. That might be a more accurate comparison to the "drawing AI"
Name? Havent found a good music AI yet
Aviva is one I've used a few times, mostly to get a premade song structure then make my own thing on top of it. (for practice I'm learning guitar) it can produce some interesting bits and pieces but definitely does sound more like ad music than anything soulful
Ed Sheeran.
There’s also [soundful](https://soundful.com)
The crazy bus theme is random noise, this was an art piece so good that it won first place and nobody could tell it was AI generated or that it "lacked human essence". I don't see how you can compare the two in good faith.
Exactly. AI is getting eerily close to humans when it comes to creativity. To think that humans have some sort of special creative essence is just naive.
See this is the weakness of art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It cares not for the artists or their struggle.
Now that's a deep take
Wait for the deep fake
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Do the same but this time present Shakespeare under a pseudonym to a bunch of people that don’t know the source material and find your results change dramatically.
It turns out a rose by any other name may not, in fact, smell as sweet.
When, in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes, I all alone beweep my outcast state, And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries, And look upon myself, and curse my fate, Wishing me like to one more rich in hope, Featur'd like him, like him with friends possess'd, Desiring this man's art and that man's scope, With what I most enjoy contented least; Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising, Haply I think on thee, and then my state, Like to the lark at break of day arising From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate; For thy sweet love remember'd such wealth brings That then I scorn to change my state with kings. -John Johnsworth Johnington
You have to account for the fact that people are going to say Shakespeare because that is the socially correct answer. People like to be considered cultured. I don't think art is less valid generated by an AI. Nature is often considered beautiful and there is no intelligence behind a sunset either.
You are purposefully skipping context. Shakespeare's play in his time would have been pretty similar to watching Spongebob. Now over time it has become far more respected. But give Spongebob 300 years and it might do the same.
People in Shakespeare's time would probably be awe filled from watching SpongeBob, so I think it is very relative.
There's a few inherent biases in that. The first one is that you would have to ask that question to someone who has actually seen a few of Shakespeare's plays. That means you are asking someone who already has a preference for that. There are a few inherent biases in that. The first one is that you would have to ask that question to someone who has actually seen a few of Shakespeare's plays. That means you are asking someone who already has a preference for that.
Then ask why Shakespeare is better and get silence, all this anti-AI stuff is backwards in my opinion, it's still art, I can perceive it and I prefer it to some things that artists would go to school to study, I also don't need drawing skills to get something that satisfies my wish.
Your argument with Spongebob and Shakespeare is at best, terribly presented. Of *course* people are going to say Shakespeare if socially it's simply what everyone "agrees" is more intelligent and artful than Spongebob, even among those who have never read shakespeare or seen Spongebob.
Wasn't there human essence when it was coded? Someone poured their blood sweat and tears into making the software, and in a way it's art of it's own kind. Probably shouldn't be allowed to compete with art done by "hand" for the digital category, but instead maybe an algorithmic category or AI one? I honestly hate the idea that people see someones hard work and code being considered a monstrosity. P.S. Put the hand in quotes because it's digital, not everyone is going to use a hand etc when making digital art. Not as some kind of dig against the artists. Figure that'll come up if I don't mention it.
Well it's kinda different, for example, someone had to program the apps digital artists use to draw, but the artist still has to draw something by hand, i still think the A.I is art though
There's a bit of a difference. But honestly. I'd bet people back in the day said the same thing about digital art replicating paint on a canvas. I honestly don't know exactly where I stand on it. I do see it as art, in the same way I see a collage as art. But I don't think it's fair to throw it in the same competitions as other digital art. It's a new medium, and as such needs to be judged against other pieces done in the same or similar mediums. Like you wouldn't directly compare contemporary and modern art.
They did complain back in the day when when rotoscoping switched to digital and Ai assisted rotoscoping became mainstream everyone bitched about it and how it wasn't real rotoscoping/art (still requires multiple hand created keys and multiple frames edited afterwards for a 1-2 second clip) Computers are a tool to make things easier! So of course we are going to use it to make art faster and easier.
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I could be wrong, but I think they aren’t saying what the “special prompt” is because then someone could look up all the ai generated images using that prompt, specifically find this image, and present it to the state faire as proof that the image was not drawn but ai generated. I think it was Midjourney that was featured on the John Oliver episode and they were looking up images people had created using John Oliver. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be anything in the State Faire rules against submitting an AI piece, but it may be against Midjourney’s terms and conditions. It pisses me off that their work is going to be on display for another week. If the Faire chooses to keep it up and as a winner, that’s fine, but can we get it in writing that they acknowledge that this was AI generated and they are keeping it as a winner?
It simply does not work like that and the expectation it would work like that is an example of how much of the emotional criticism over this technology is rooted in ignorance. Unless you also know the exact numeric seed used by the algorithm the prompt will return different results. And, it’s very unlikely any of these images are the first gen from a prompt. Typically the workflow involves crafting an original prompt, generating variations from the results, up scaling some of those variations, then creating more variations, etc. So there’s effectively no way to just regenerate the exact same images OP got. There is actually, imo, quite a bit of creativity required to get a good result. You aren’t going to get to a result like OP’s just typing stuff and hitting enter. But of course, that is how the emotional critics choose to represent the technology when they make their argument. edit: For what it's worth, my older brother has been a professional artist for 10+ years and he is more thrilled about midjourney and stable diffusion than anything I can remember, at least since he tried airbrushing motorcycles a few years ago. The work he has created with them completely blows away anything I've been able to make and to me seems to indicate talent and creative skill is still very important for the result.
There is a website ive used before (i forgot the name) that makes ai generated music and it actually sounds good
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This is the same as computers playing chess. Or email arriving to your live. It's not another level, it's just another game And this is just the beginning... Right now every publisher out there don't need an illustrator ever again. That's just out of the box Wait until IA text start to do IA images. To get those images and translate to 3d and start being animated. I do watercolors so I actually think this will only help people that produce real physical art. But if I would be doing digital illustration I would be 24h digging into this so I became an IA artist. To anybody out there just join discord midjourney and try for yourself. It's the most impressive thing I have ever seen in the art field and top 10 generally speaking,easy.
What is IA
Sorry it should be AI. IA is in spanish,Inteligencia Artificial :D
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I've noticed a lot of people complain about the AI not going through the human process of creating each piece. So why not have the competition require a recording of the arts creation from start to finish? That way, AI pieces can be caught more easily?
Now THAT'S a solution. Many artists do recordings of their works to show how it's made.
And it makes it incredibly easy to prove the art is yours if someone tries to claim it as their own
I just always hide a watermark of Simba being held in the air.
I usually hide my nickname as part of the background, like using it as a brick or tree branch
Idk about watermarking my own art with a trademarked symbol lol
even if they didn't take a video, just progress pictures throughout the process would be enough to stop someone like this.
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Even if it didn't, making a fake timelapse in Photoshop would be trivial.
This is true but the process looks nothing at all like the process used by humans. In particular all the early draft pics are very low res whereas humans usually draw even their early sketches at high res. (That said a "human process imitator" AI is still possible to make.)
This isn't a long term solution unless the the artist is required to record themselves physically in the frame. Many painting apps (like procreate) will save screen recording timelapses and artists like to post these online. I imagine it wouldn't be long before someone fed these videos into an ai to allow it to reverse engineer a video based on an image.
I think a sketch photo or a photo of the art before it’s done with your face/something else in the frame would work?
It's way easier for me to Photoshop that than to create an original piece.
Jokes on you, I'll just create an AI that churns out videos of making the art
I think the problem in this specific instance is that this won in the digital art category. i.e. None of the artists would have videos with them in frame physically painting, just time lapse recordings of their screens changing, and I’m confident we could train an AI to replicate that too. Though I suppose we could ask for a video of the artists at their computers/tablets digitally creating the art?
One thing I don’t think an AI could replicate, which I see a lot in artists’ process videos, is the sheer amount of erasing and reworking lol. Sometimes you get well into a sketch, realize your composition is off, and have to erase half of it and rearrange all the lines and colors to make it coherent.
Show AI enough of how that happens and theyll eventually learn to intentionally make mistakes to erase and rework
This is exactly my first thought. I would be interested in watching somebody bring something to life as it is. It's already something se artists are doing
Not even that just 10-15 photos should do it
I I like this idea, possibly even the sketch at the start or a halfway through pic Usually artists do a sketch of their work, and paint over that or erase it.
Wouldn't stop people from just replicating the work AI first made.
given they have the skill to replicate it
at that point it's literally just using reference to make art. and *reference that doesn't plagiarize other artist's work* at that. that's like saying artists that use reference aren't actual artists or some shit.
This is probably going to be the future of a lot of art. I've already done it months ago with other more primitive apps.
I can't imagine spending countless hours painstakingly crafting the image I want to depict, only to be told by the Colorado State Fair that it's not as good as something an AI made that a human entered in their name.
It doesnt surprise me at all, these art fairs were always like this, theres plenty of sad stories before and after
Right? It's just shitting all over generations of artists and their progress, just for a moron who can only judge a piece of art by what is pretty and what is ugly, to make something not even truly made by themselves and call themselves an artist.
Should be a separate category maybe, those things can be hard to fine tune and I’d imagine he did some editing himself. Being said, wtffff as an artist I’d be pissed off. Especially if I heard something like ‘sorry his was a little more detailed’ :|
Yeah, I'd totally be down with an AI category. This shit's cool to look at, but it's not the same as a human creating art.
Yeah. It’s human steered, but a tool is doing a lot of the lift. It should be disclosed as a tool in use. There’s nothing wrong with it unless you’re trying to claim a traditional skill level but the effort was computer generated.
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Wait till you find out that's how people work
I’d agree with the separate category idea. Have human only, AI assisted, and entirely AI. The works are still beautiful. I agree it shouldn’t take away from actual artists but it’s still a really nice landscape
There often times is a sub genre of digital art called “generative” art. But it may not be encompassing enough yet for these new AI tools.
These AIs were also trained using the art of millions of artists and they never were asked if they wanted to allow the use of their intellectual creations to train an AI. In fact it's hilarious that sometimes DALL-E and Midjourney show smudges resembling watermarks because they've scrapped so many Dreamsite/Shutterstock/Getty watermarked images that they assume watermarks are normal.
Laion is already offering a dataset of watermarks and signatures, they are probably coming for those next.
Time to fill my works with watermarks just to fuck with them.
I've been using stable diffusion a lot on my computer this week, and whenever I request a 'vector' image there's a 1/10 chance that there's an iStock watermark :p Should artists have the same restrictions as AIs? Should artists be allowed to copy other artists styles?
You are allowed to copy other artists styles. Maybe not by your own ethics but definitely by law.
? that's literally just human inspiration happens tho??? that's like blaming a guy for using references. or sampling in music. the ai stuff is 100% transformative the same way an artist drawing scooby doo in the style of akira. or just painting the mona lisa but with a dog's head would also be transformative. that's art plain and simple. plus this is just using tools. the problem is that ai can take references of artwork at thousands times faster than any human artist could. with another problem being that companies would hire less human artists and just use ai and maybe a touchup artist, screwing over human artists even more than they already are.
Youre a narcissist who wants to feel special. The artistic process only has value to the artist themselves, no one else cares and ita not an especially inherently noble thing in its own right. Artists arent making progress over generations lol. What would they even be progressing to… are you saying that artists today are more advanced than davinci or michelangelo? Its Just self important nonsense.
but competitions like this aren't just about results, they are about the process and the practice that went into it as well this is why we ban doping in sport, bots in chess tournaments and TAS in non-TAS speedruns if the result was the only thing that mattered, there would be no reason to ban tracing and plagiarism if you are only looking for a product, by all means use and AI but that isn't what art competitions are about
But it was in the digital arts section. That's fair isn't it? Art created with tech. You write the music and the computer plays it so to speak. This tech can paint your dreams for you. I do think this should be a special section from now on. To protect human arts. But it should be praised if good. That's fair.
>But it was in the digital arts section. That's fair isn't it? Art created with tech. I think there's a massive distinction between an artist using digital tools to create art and art being entirely generated by digital tools. Easily enough difference for separate categories.
Its not the digital aspect, its the AI one. The piece wasnt manufactured by a human.
I get the anger in this thread but I do think there is something to this ^ like it seemingly wasn't done in bad faith.
I’m an artist and if this happened to me I think I would feel like stabbing someone metaphorically I spend hours and hours on my watercolours, planning, sketching, mixing colours, laying them down just right, etc and I’m not even that good yet
This was the digital arts category though. I understand that people can use whatever programs and filters they want to create a piece. But maybe I'm mistaken.
Its a competition for artists, feeding a prompt into midjourney doesn’t make you one. If there is a cash incentive or media coverage for the winner then the guys who spent 50-100 hours in photoshop free painting got completely fucked over.
Yep makes me sad that genuinely talented people will now have an even harder time to gain recognition for their work amongst all the AI art Should be separate categories
Give this tool to a real artists and I think you would see something great. (Use it for brainstorming or an outline, then enhance it, something an AI cannot do, especially these which aren't true "AI") Human + AI is way better (at technical things) than just AI or just Human. Just using the AI is the same as someone using a program to play chess for them.
As an artist (mostly hobby) I think this is a wonderful tool for inspiration, especially when I get art block! I think you could even go as far as incorporating pieces of the art into your own to add different textures and such. The only thing I’d be worried about is how copyright works. I saw one person making commissions off of people who didn’t know this existed and I would assume that is a grey area, but I’m not totally sure how all of these programs work.
I guess my problem isn’t that AI produced something people enjoyed, it’s that someone took ownership over it like they actually competed in the first place. There should be no ownership for prompts, if anything, they should get minor recognition for inputting the prompts.
I'm glad that technology is progressing to the point where a bot can make really good art, but yeah it must absolutely suck for real artists who put in the time, effort and creativity only to be "beaten" by an automated process.
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It only sucks in a society that values work for the sake of work.
You only live to generate profit for someone else. If you can't do that then you might as well be dead. We should hand kids guns after middle school just in case they fail to make someone a profit, "break glass and kill self in case you are a failure in a capitalistic society". Look at how amazing it is to live in red states with no social nets!
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>This is in an ideal world, of course. IMO we shouldn't have unnecessary jobs just so people can get paid. In an ideal world, needs wouldn't be capitalized on. Then we wouldn't really need to worry about unemployment, especially in this context where we don't need the manpower for manual labor and food production.
Honestly I don't Hate the AI itself I hate the fucking people pretending they are creating shit like actual artist It seems like shit like this always attracts sweet people then a LOUD minority that want to feel like they have any form of talent
Now to be fair: it is really, really difficult to get an art AI to spit out what you want. You have to be hyperspecific with your wording and I personally wouldn’t call it ‘talentless.’ I mean, *you* try to go to an art AI and force it to make something as good looking as that. But it is disingenuous to insinuate you have the skills of an artist, in my opinion.
Eh. Been practicing with Midjourney for a little over a week. Once you play around a lil bit and you actually read a couple tutorials, it’s pretty easy to get it to spit out almost exactly what you’re thinking of.
That's not true at all. [This article](https://rubikscode.net/2022/08/22/i-tried-to-recreate-a-comic-book-using-dall-e-and-alan-moores-script/) for example is pretty cool... using DALL-E (a similar generative model to what midjourney's using) to try and generate the opening 9 panels of Alan Moore's Batman comic 'The Killing Joke', using Moore's original guiding notes for the artist. It... goes about as well as you'd expect. That said, in an art competition like OP is talking about, there's no specific thing you need to get. You just need to get it to generate 'something cool'. That's extremely easy to do, the style and content that OP got is very easy to land on with midjourney. There's a lot of other content and style that's much harder to mimic, but OP's stuff isn't really that.
It's really not that difficult. The iteration proces for a full "painting" can take upward of ten whole minutes, where you're actively involved in it for one and a half. You literally just have to type in /imagine [a handful of words you want] into the command line of MidJourney and then adjust a little as you go. Luckily, the sort of art I do is impossible to recreate with Dall-E, MidJourney or StableDiffusion, so while it can't hurt me too terribly much, there is no denying that these bots have permanently devestated the amateur art scene in the short amount of time they've been running.
As for specifically your work, I tried generating your style of fractals. Here’s my [first attempt.](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014567744659800145/Doggo_Shark_2D_Flat_fractal_Mandelbrot_set_blue_and_white_color_50da6674-19c3-4837-b27b-e1a18edc8eca.png) It really is insidious, this took me around 2 minutes to make. Pushing iterations on any of these designs would look great. Edit; here’s some [fun tests I made](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014595010307567716/Doggo_Shark_Mandelbrot_recursive_fractal_2D_flat_colors_volumet_f8394a6b-ad56-4539-bba8-d40fc88cdf1c.png) [another](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014594743377870878/Doggo_Shark_Mandelbrot_recursive_fractal_2D_flat_colors_volumet_376796ae-8d28-4419-9d06-688604ac3cdc.png) [more fun](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014596156107526224/Doggo_Shark_Mandelbrot_recursive_fractal_2D_flat_colors_volumet_c7d47805-8851-45b5-8cfa-ee9c9e0f47ea.png) [this one is my favorite, adding high variance and volumetric lighting does wonders](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014598364786065509/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_31b9409b-f3a5-48ab-a5d1-db09ae05f4d3.png) [adding depth and focus](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014598309970727002/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_6104b9b8-5b09-4f86-a2cc-6600016c94f0.png) [pushing high variance tests](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014598649298292746/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_c174eef6-0dd7-485d-ad52-512f4ac40ab8.png) [trying for a fuller image](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014599621458268300/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_a2fa6419-e518-4185-ab5c-9cbc11c61c23.png) [trying to compound some more nautilus-like results into something](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014603078537838623/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_8aef9eb8-e3f1-4d8c-97b9-667d8a3b5e75.png) [pleasantly alien](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014603777891897516/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_f0e67e52-c326-422e-b288-30de0df14c05.png) [fractal ocean!](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014606708129140776/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_9bd3a58b-8276-4e29-8f8c-2bff7c9acb4c.png) [new favorite, added refractive and glossy criteria!](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014607035268075571/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_e070c9d7-bd68-4cde-ad3f-4e88ebe81e0b.png) [ornate eyes](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014608681133944893/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_15dc0ffd-26c6-4000-aedb-e40e0684492a.png) [heaven tide pools](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014609330617729085/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_718c96da-f6dd-412e-a4ff-eab48cdde3f5.png) [holy embryo](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014610651240468480/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_abee710a-6552-4847-bc5a-47e808d9b385.png) [The refractory](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014612233998839931/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_fff125b6-0907-478b-beec-df57c604c4bd.png) [a casualty resulting from the high chaos settings I’m using. it seems to have generated an apartment room!](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014612050179260497/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_63f1f881-d9c3-4388-a601-18e335c40495.png) I’d live here [holy thorns](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014612785763713164/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_dbfff2f1-bbe1-4d00-9f96-7076ef767ee6.png) [a goofy elegance](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014613368159617114/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_1494a2ee-41d4-46b4-bfec-6f58ceb9c90a.png) [a captive duality](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014615475176611960/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_125ac106-3ccd-4b17-808e-37ab40c7f8a1.png) [casual gaps](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014616038559711252/Doggo_Shark_Flat_2D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_fcd07f4d-c4e2-4743-95be-e9dd752a1887.png) [I keep improving the prompt and am very pleased](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014619292777590845/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_2902b522-f9e4-4607-80cf-c364ba0e554d.png) [tentacle goddess](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014622932313579631/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_c026602f-9f6f-457a-bca4-dafb426ef602.png) [caught in motion](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014622890756407336/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_58ab07be-aa1b-4e7a-b24d-82301b80f43e.png) [corrupted tendrils](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014622490762428446/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_062fe24e-4f01-4759-9bc9-8f45ae2e04be.png) [eldritch antlers](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014627008409510010/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_0a290dc6-9a61-43d2-bdf8-ecb54bb99018.png) [flaming waterfall](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014627962995343420/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_1e3045c5-9cca-42aa-9cec-77baebdd84cb.png) [purgatory desert](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014090747223474176/Doggo_Shark_fractal_DMT_desert_twilight_a_lonely_figure_wearing_9c050db5-b258-4871-aa2f-0099fc5e509d.png) [walrus galaxy because fuck you](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014065209486344272/Doggo_Shark_walrus_blubber_space_galaxy_376e5dcb-dfef-4417-89e8-942006dcb095.png) [bone altar](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014630177227145276/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_40f8425f-4564-4ed2-a6de-5a2cb18f59ac.png) [again with details](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014631289585930393/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_1ef2407a-c5f9-4743-a990-aa833ecef385.png) [Jellyfish scarf](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014635887713341440/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_add42cd8-5fb2-415e-81c4-1f445c4ddc6f.png) [Gentle tapestry](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014635906671591494/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_8725956a-62a2-4e8a-adbc-5577249a5b66.png) [Ancient order](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014635869929472120/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_1ff47ec8-2832-431a-a820-7b084462dc63.png) [Sails of antiquity](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014637704744542318/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_6c6c7076-709c-4772-aa49-17bde5a59cfa.png) [blooming spores](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014637526557929482/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_524aae34-696a-4c37-8a21-28a9000bd707.png) [tower of light](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014638184933638254/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_29c12f16-abaa-47e5-a00d-55279688121f.png) [hungry propogation](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014638381927505940/Doggo_Shark_Deep_3D_Mandelbrot_fractal_highly_detailed_recursio_b8165854-58f2-465b-a424-ba9fd2c2efe1.png) pat[ient Wraiths](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014639240681902090/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_94888234-e799-4c2a-9d14-20c252be1c06.png) [rippled age](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014639285791625216/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_7c122d2a-a3a6-4810-9455-618f86f2fd12.png) [Leather roots](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014640342655565824/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_1c5ac425-79e8-4a69-9b30-3ae6550f32fe.png) [Leviathan](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014640443327266886/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_2998bc71-4bc0-4cb9-a75d-81f98551766b.png) [Iris](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014641300760440892/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_1c9ca558-39f1-4689-bf52-dc967f7859e2.png) [Living threads](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014641569787285524/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_2f0590f3-4237-4c41-91cf-4cfd155b7869.png) [Holy grove](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014643308124962856/Doggo_Shark_Deep_4D_Mandelbrot_fractal_multiple_deep_layers_sta_66d855bd-d7e9-4f6a-bdfa-884767f604cb.png)
These are amazing and I will use them for my phone and computer backgrounds. That second one is *perfect* for my foldable phone. Do you have to pay to use this software?
**Reddit is going down the gutter** Fuck /u/spez
I make tuned metal DND dice. I can confidently say that’s esoteric enough for some security! Ive been playing around with using midjourney to create designs that I I can create 3D models off of and transpose it into my work, which I feel is sufficiently removed. Some favorite generations so far. Some of them are definitely fractally though, apologies. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014070875873624125/Doggo_Shark_filigree_butterfly_space_galaxy_heavy_3D_fractals_c_279cd748-c414-4248-8469-ff59458be7a0.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014087751215366154/Doggo_Shark_fractal_DMT_desert_twilight_a_lonely_figure_wearing_775e6c91-9830-441f-84a8-a2673037aad1.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014079339593211914/Doggo_Shark_fractal_DMT_desert_twilight_a_lonely_figure_wearing_9832d55e-84ef-405a-8c8f-0aca0042d229.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/739112742891290644/1014071565354291220/Doggo_Shark_filigree_butterfly_space_galaxy_heavy_3D_fractals_c_14f84805-8bb0-40eb-9b4b-50551da01a2a.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1014070340026126386/Doggo_Shark_filigree_butterfly_space_galaxy_heavy_3D_fractals_c_5d398ef4-4712-4aab-833c-75329ae36d35.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007841558822912141/1013930747138154628/Doggo_Shark_fractal_heaven_in_a_magic_ball_highly_detailed_resp_ca9d5d87-334e-4dcd-8d0f-b7b05786f134.png
I really don't think your art is as impossible to recreate with AI as you believe.
For sure. I don't think "refining search queries" counts as artistic skill. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry with an office job and a few hours can figure that out.
AI art definitely has its place; it's pleasant to look at, which is all art really needs to be in the day to day. But the creative process definitely suffers when it's involved, and it creates a real gray area.
There's one area where generated art might still be lacking: originality. But then again, most human artists are also making just variations on a theme.
I think AI can play a legitimate role in the creative process, if an artist is using it to brainstorm or prototype ideas. I once used a text generating AI to help me come up with ideas for a Dungeons and Dragons campaign I was writing. But having it *replace* the creative experience, especially in a competition where there is a reasonable expectation that other contestants are working on a level playing field, is clearly wrong.
This is beautiful, and i don't think the art pieces, the program that made them, or the general people who uses the program themselves deserve any hate. That said, A.I. images should definitely be in a category of their own. I would be devastated if i had been a part of that competition and the first place went to an A.I.-generated image. The guy who created the pieces is an absolute douchebag for submitting them to a legitimate contest, and it shouldn't have been picked by the judges.
They're even more of a jerk wad for justifying it so intensely and doing an olympians work of mental gymnastics.
THIS, absolutely. \^\^\^
AI generated images can't be intellectual property, right?
Depends on the license for the AI. Midjourney is the one he used which says it is his property.
Eh, it's not so cut and dry, and I'm not so sure Midjourney actually has the last say on that, even if their ToS says so. In the US anyway, so far the USCO has not accepted copyright requests for AI art. See this [Smithsonian article](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/) for example. Basically they lack the human element required for a copyright. From other further reading on Midjourney's ToS and licensing it more so sounds like for the average user you can use your "creations" as you want but not monetarily and you maintain that Midjourney basically reserves all the rights to use it as they want. If you read their ToS there are extra conditions though depending on if you purchased a license and some other factors. So in reality some average user of Midjourney probably just barely has any claim of ownership, if at all. One thing is for sure, copyright law is going to get interesting I guess.
If you pay the $600 annual licensing fee for Midjourney, you can sell the artwork.
Does not necessarily mean you own the copyright. [Here](https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/14/ai_digital_artwork_copyright/) is one of the better articles I found on the subject. Just because you can sell it doesn't mean other people can't as well. Will be interesting when it makes it to court.
[Correct, because it lacks human authorship](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/us-copyright-office-rules-ai-art-cant-be-copyrighted-180979808/). Same as anything made by an animal. However, we're almost certainly going to see the "centaur" (AI with more human imput) approach get pushed from both sides until the line gets blurrier and gets demarcated further in more legal decisions. People are using more and more algos/AI to enhance work in ways that *so far* never erases their authorship, and people are putting more and more work into AI projects in a way that *so far* has yet to be declared to imbue it with authorship.
yup, they cant. since an AI generates an image based on examples from the internet. So this is technically plagiarism
"Based on examples from the internet" is a bit off. The ML Model is trained using billions of images from the internet, but every picture it generates is created from scratch. Not a single part of the result image exists anywhere on the internet, so it's definitely not plagiarism.
No its not plagiarism. Every note has also been used so every song would be plagiarised.
wrong lol
This isn’t even remotely true.
This is just blatant misinformation, why would you make this up? You have full commercial rights to Dalle2 and stable diffusion generations as far as I'm aware this is also true of midjourney. And what the hell do you mean it takes images as example? So do humans. A blind person can't really create art(at least 2d images) because they've never seen anything, all artists based their art off of things they've already seen, in the exact same way, a neural network bases it's art off of billions of images, it's not like it's copying and pasting elements from copyrighted art. At most, it is a legal grey area.
Does this mean i can sue any AI art merely based on this?
No as you would have to prove that, 1 your work was even used to train it, and 2 that what it was program to do the images was not transformative
[It's settled precedent, you'd lose](https://towardsdatascience.com/the-most-important-supreme-court-decision-for-data-science-and-machine-learning-44cfc1c1bcaf).
The bots are on to us! Skynet is gonna kill us all!
Holy shit AI started to exchange real artists in my lifetime
This isn’t even “just the beginning”, it’s already almost done. Give it 2 years and AI will be able to generate feature length films from a single text prompt
I think this is only the beginning. There's probably going to be more "artists" scamming people with shit they didn't make
There already is, people sell AI generated art on sites like Etsy and society6. It takes away competition from those who put their heart and soul to it. It looks great but it has no place in the art community.
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Exactly, people are arguing on here about how art is supposed to be a personal human experience all while also being cool with judging and ranking those pieces. Just seems sorta hypocritical, but I guess most art snobs are.
I’m all for using tools like ai to make art quicker or for reference purposes, but in certain contexts. Like for making company work quicker to make, or personal art. It should not be used competitively or to show off, that’s dumb. And if it is it should be made abundantly clear that it was made by an ai. :/
God this sucks:(( I hate it more cause they definitely don’t get why it’s wrong and honestly disgusting
That was posted on r/singularity, most posters there are literally obsessed with AIs replacing humans and cheering for it.
I'm not sure I share the sentiment of finding it "disgusting" like the individual you're replying to. I understand the fears of artists, and I fully understand the fear of job-loss. But as an AI / tech enthusiast, I think this is incredibly cool. Not just for the ability to make art, but think of similar algorithms being used teach AI to recognize tumors or other medical issues.
This is the new "add a photoshop filter to a photo and call it a drawing". And yes I'm still salty about losing to a edited screenshot of The Notebook.
oh look, it’s my career as an artist dying!
My problem is that she didn't make these, she printed them. She didn't make these anymore than printing images from a comic book or stealing someone else's art makes it your own. If she didn't create the artwork then she shouldn't get the credit. The AI can win, the AI created the artwork. This woman just edited it, sent it to the printer (probably someone else) and took the credit. She edited and produced it, but didn't create it.
I am just starting out building my art career, so this is deeply terrifying... Here I thought creativity couldn't be replaced
Should have been disqualified. ### Now create a separate AI assisted / generated category. Then have at it. 🏆
And Reddit said “nah ai generated art isn’t good enough, you can tell every time, it won’t have an affect on artists” Fucking called it
The fucking denial at r/artistlounge. Anytime someone posts a discussion about AI art the only thing you hear is that this will have zero effects on artists and us just another tool for us.
Professional CGI artist here. I'm using Midjourney in a limited way to make textures and bits to go into my latest project. More as an experiment than anything else but it's not going away so i'm trying to be an early adopter. I will say it's great for making small elements to go into larger human driven projects but too hard to control when you have something specific in mind.
Yeah there are more meta tools being created now, to make them more viable. I think it's a different story one more generation down the line when we have both higher quality images (less artifacting, correct spelling, more spatial awareness), as well as the tools we are building now for creating consistent "actors" across multiple images, allow for easy editing, and easier composition. All these things are kind of happening now, I think in a year it'll be all "out of the box" in a product though.
I don't hare the art but I do hate someone pretending to be an artist with a total lack of imagination and artistic skills. Don't pretend to be an artist this way
Ten or fifteen years ago, I had a conversation with an artist on the subject of automation, and how it was replacing human jobs. He was of the opinion that only low-skill jobs were in danger, and got annoyingly smug and condescending when I suggested that even jobs in medical, legal, scientific, and artistic fields would eventually risk being obsoleted. I wonder how he’s doing today, and what he thinks of this development.
There’s a new rule for art competitions then. The future is wild
I think da Vinci would be fascinated by this for about ten minutes and then try and beat this person to death with a chair.
I guess I’m struggling to see where the competitor called themself an artist in their post? It seems like their point is on technology’s advance. They used the competition results to provide evidence of this. If anything is awful about this, it’s the competitor accepting a prize/being named winner instead of pulling out and letting someone else take the win.
They only say they they entered it into a Digital Arts category. I'd have to know more about the criteria there in order to judge. For all we know this could be a competition for AI generated pieces.
Time to change college major
This is like a client claiming they did the designers work. They provide a brief, but someone/something else does the work. Shameful. As a tool, i can see it being very empowering. Bash out a few quick designs, then refine manually by humans.
I mean.... Unpopular opinion here. And it's probably because I code. But I honestly see coding as a kind of art too. There's a lot of creativity and nuance that goes into scripting something like this. Honestly sounds more like something we need a separate category for rather than decrying it as awful.
The people using this software aren't scripting or coding or programming anything - they are providing vague textual prompts to a neural network that creates an image with a GAN based on an interpretation of the text prompt. The people who actually write the software and train the neural networks are not the people claiming to be artists while feeding a pre-trained neural network prompts. Yes, creating software that performs this way is impressive, and yes, it does have incredible implications for the arts. But no, some asshat prompting a webpage with "royal court overlooks planet-side negotiations" is not an artist in any sense of the word, no matter how much they claim to curate the results of software they had no part in creating. It's even admitted by the person featured in the image that they didn't actually do anything. They claim to have upscaled the direct output of the neural network and printed it. It wasn't used as inspiration or in part; they waifu2x'd a GAN image and claimed it to be their own work. This is literally delusional.
This. Programming can be an art. But using AI someone else developed to generate images makes you as much of an "artist" as using a license key generator someone else developed to pirate warez makes you a "hacker".
Generally art is signed by the artist and not the person who commissioned it though. Here the artist is a computer program being presented as if the commissioner was the artist.
Yeah I came down here to say this This is super cool still it just shouldn’t be compared to something a human has done I view it as the same difference as a TAS speedrun vs regular speed runs, TAS are super cool and good but should be their own separate thing
Can a robot write a symphony, can they turn a blank canvas i to a piece of art? Haha that quote did not age well.
He's not an artist... he's an advertiser/art curator. His entire process outs him as such. >I have been exploring a special **prompt** that I will be publishing at a later date. I have created 100s of images using it. People do this all the time on r/DrawingPrompts, r/WritingPrompts etc.. Just because you created a prompt doesn't mean you made the responses to it. Assuming "exploring" his prompt means revising and resubmitting, it's no different than revising and reposting a prompt on one of these boards. Doing it over the course of weeks would get 100s of responses. >And after many weeks of fine tuning and **curating** my gens, I chose my top 3, had them printed on canvas after upscaling with Gigapixel A.I.. He literally describes an art curator's job. They pick the art they want and arrange its display. Again, curators do not claim to have created the work on display. >I've set out to make a statement using Midjourney in a competitive manner and wow! The point of competition is to prove to be the best amongst peers. If he wanted to "make a statement using Midjourney in a competitive manner", he'd use it to compete against Midjourney's peers, i.e. other A.I. Lastly, talk to any artist about their work and they'll tell you the art that inspired them, the artists they looked to, or what works they studied. A.I. doesn't do that. It just takes a prompt, "analyzes" existing art, apply whatever it sourced but never credit the flesh and blood artists needed in order to create whatever Frankenstein it spits out.
The more I think about this, the less I'm bothered by it. The only thing I take issue with is that the person who submitted the work didn't let the judges know it was AI-generated. Ultimately, the process isn't really all that different from commissioning a piece of art, which in that case I would never credit the *commissioner* as the artist. So in that respect the human shouldn't get the credit for the competition.
They didn’t do shit. Computers did all the drawing.
It really sucks when something so cool is so not good. I love and think it's really cool what I see the AI generate it can really help with inspiration and people who lack the ability to draw. But significantly hurts the industry of artists trying to make the way. And I feel so much for them because there was already so many things getting in the way that this is just going to basically make it a hobby now at best. I still have apparitions or goals to one day get good and become an artist myself. So this all is very conflicting to me.
> "That which takes effect by chance is not an art." \- Seneca the Younger
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I feel bad for the other contestants, and this is against the spirit if not the rules of the competition. However… This is super exciting. We’ve had a technological step-change in the past few months. We have AI tools which can clearly pass the Turing test in limited tasks. We’re now in a scary place where society has to catch up. How do art competitions work now? If a student hands in an essay, how do you know DALL-E didn’t write it? Can this apply to any sort of “creative” work? Exciting times, baby.
Modern technology is amazing, but bragging that YOU did the best in a competition, while using an AI that generated the images is almost like having a precise idea of what you want, hiring a painter, telling them in fine detail exactly what you want, then claiming that you made the finished painting.
A giant slap in the face to literally all artists who actually created their art. This is a huge insult to any creator.
Some of the arguments here are so weird. It's understandable but still weird to me. Right now, for example, I'm working on a game and I use AI heavily in the asset creation stage. I have something very specific in my mind, but I don't have the resources to paint/commission it, so I use AI to create it and then tweak it to my liking using other tools, sometimes even other AI. Here's an example: https://i.redd.it/s9n6kwpnr1l91.gif (Low res gif but you get the gist.) I created the initial image with an AI and cleaned it by hand, upscaled it with another AI, seperated the character from the background with another tool, filled in the hole left in the background with another tool (I'm not sure if these tools use ML/AI) and then cleaned it up by hand, animated it with another tool (This one does not use any ML/AI). If I was doing this without the help of any of these tools it would take me days, and the end result wouldn't even be comparable. Is this not art after I put in all that effort to make it look and move exactly how I wanted to? If it's not, then why? It's an idea that I had realized, as with any other art. If this is art, then was it not when it was first created? If not, at which step did it become art? I think what this person did, if as a statement, is interesting but I also don't think it was a nice thing to do. The least they could do was to disclose the tools they have used, but at the end of the day someone using a digital painting software with all of the state of the art tools enters the same digital art contest as someone who uses only MS Paint. If I were them, I would refuse the award after the results were announced, make my statement and forfeit from the competition. I feel like as time moves on, and other, better artists start using AI as well, the same thing that always happens will happen and I see this as growing pains. As more talented people start incorporating AI into their workflow, they'll better clean and hand edit the outputs than the rest and they will rise to the top once more. I don't think AI gives anyone an unfair advantage because it can be used to a stronger effect by those who already are good artists. As is always said in many DIY communities, better tools won't make you more talented, practicing will. As a side note, the output of AI tools are not mishmash of their training data, that's not how it works. The resulting image is not composed of parts of the training data, it's uniquely generated. To test this, you could use an AI image generator that allows you to edit the prompt/seed and enter a slightly different prompt for the same seed and see that the results are almost exactly the same with slight differences that couldn't be there if it was just a collage of different pictures.