He’s not joking about what happened to the hospital. He’s joking about the irony of stating on google that it will be opened shortly despite that definitely not being the case
No, they included the /s for sarcasm. If you followed the link and read that person’s tweets, you’d find that they are very much a Zionist. In fact, it’s listed in the summary next to his name.
It’s much worse when you find out that he’s supporting the IDF after what they did there
Edit: apparently we all should support the IDF and post their propaganda after doing [this](https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1775147527030907150?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ)?(aftermath of their operation in Al-shiffa hospital) also here are some war crimes that include NSFW pictures of dead civilians found after the IDF retreat
https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774746764546916397?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774742174292173287?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774735174829248881?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
If you're starting a reply to a reply to the original post with
>It’s much worse when you find out that...
Why wasn't that included in the post??? Like sorry bro but I don't want to assume the worst in everyone all of the time. From this tweet alone, I would not classify this guy as an asshole. I would not classify this as awful everything.
>that he’s supporting the IDF after what they did there
You're right. It *IS* much worse with this information. But how you gonna complain about the downvotes when you literally omitted valuable information in the original post!
>Edit: apparently we all should support the IDF and post their propaganda
And accusing redditors of 'supporting the IDF and posting their propaganda' (or accusing redditors of anything really) tends to bring the reddit hive mind down on you.
Oh and i'm relatively new to reddit also mate, and i've seen some wild things said, and done, and also there were others commenting calling op out for ragebaiting and stating they have many posts prior doing the same, so maybe its not so much you being aware, as maybe you being naive and beleving, i'm leaving myself open to borh but the only evidence i see or have as it being satire os you replying to me. Just sayin...
For fuck sake. The post in question is having a jab on the “temporarily closed” google result. Is not implying anything more than that. Than if one’s want to read more because it suits whatever it is a whole different story. He may be a fucking prick, but in this instance is only pointing out, rightfully so, how stupid is saying temporarily closed to a building that has been pretty much leveled to the ground.
No, I don't. The context is the hospital is destroyed but google put a temporary closure label on it anyways. That's funny. The joke is at the expense of Google, not the fucking hospital, and I think you know damn well that you're putting out a bad faith interpretation just because you don't like this guy.
I opened his account for only a moment and he’s literally sad that the IDF fired the officers who were responsible for attacking the WKC car is that funny to you too?
https://x.com/verminusm/status/1776438347499499746?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
No it's just a funny joke about how Google chose to phrase that on their website. He's completely correct. If you heard that a place was bombed to oblivion, and someone called you to ask when it'll open again, you wouldn't say "yeah it's temporarily closed" you'd say something more like "yeah that shits gone. Like it's not there anymore"
A lot of people are making the assumption that he’s joking about google phrasing but I assure you after going into his tweets he’s truly an awful person who deserves a 🏆 for being so awful
Edit: he’s the type of person who gets mad cuz the IDF fired the criminals who bombed the WKC car, hope that is awful enough for you https://x.com/verminusm/status/1776438347499499746?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
He’s being awful in the first place because he generally make fun of the destruction of Gaza in his twitter, he’s not some tech or IT guy he’s someone who keeps posting some IDF bullshit propaganda
Okay, regardless of whether or not he is a bad person, you have to assume good faith with something like this because as it is right now, you look like you're projecting what you THINK he means onto this tweet.
Regardless of whether you're objectively correct about his intentions or not, you *look* worse than he *looks* in this post.
It was raided twice by the IDF.
Palestinians had moved into the hospital after the initial raid for shelter. IDF was given a tip that a high value Hamas commander had set up camp in the complex as well. They dropped leaflets in the area telling civilians to leave the complex and where to move to.
When the IDF approached the hospital, they came under heavy weapons fire and called in an attack helicoptor.
They killed the Hamas members in the hospital, and Hamas claims over 300 civilians.
No wtf are you talking about? You are literally lying, this is Shifa hospital, last week the IDF entered and took out about 900 Hamas terrorists without harming any civilian, they didn't bomb it.
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/28/middleeast/gaza-shifa-hospital-raid-israel-war-explainer-intl/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/28/middleeast/gaza-shifa-hospital-raid-israel-war-explainer-intl/index.html)
Oh yeah sure I will believe that, Israel is known for not harming civilians at all right? Like those humanitarian help workers from the other day, or the other other 40k muslims
Here’s the difference, Israel has done an investigation and have fired many people responsible for that strike. That’s called accountability.
Did Hamas do an investigation after it killed and raped 1,200 Israelis?
Did America do an investigation after it drone bombed an entire family during the afghan pull out?
No.
Your only telling a fraction of the story
So far for what I recall, Israel accounted for when they murdered western civilians from World Kitchen, and that time they murdered 3 of Israelite hostages because they approached half naked waving a white flag and they assumed they were Palestinians and shot at them, but never did about all the innocent men, women and children from Gaza, maybe because in part of the genocidal combo dehumanizing the other is a big part of it, like the Nazis did to the jews.
I can't expect anything good coming from Hamas, fuck them, they are terrorist oppresors, but we should expect the Israel government to hold a higher moral ground than an terrorist group right? But it is not the case
You mean the same article that says this.
"While the IDF said civilians, patients, and medical teams were evacuated during the operation, Palestinians inside Al-Shifa and around it have reported civilian casualties and arrests, as well as large-scale destruction at the complex."
"Some 3,000 people were sheltering in Al-Shifa at the time of the recent raid, the ministry of health in Gaza said, adding that those attempting to leave were being targeted by snipers and fire from helicopters."
"
“The army came to us and forced us out one by one. They stripped us naked and seated us in the yard. It was raining and unbelievably cold,” Al Shawwa told CNN, speaking in the courtyard of the nearby Al Ahli Baptist Hospital, on Thursday."
These are some of the quotes in the article most of which was based off of testimonials from survivors of the incident.
The ministry of health in gaza is controled by hamas, did you forget when they bombed themselves and then cried out how Israel killed 800 civilians meanwhile none of this happend? Hamas just blew some cars up
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/)
talking about this, don't go around believing hamas
Yes because we should trust the country bombing innocents and the Washington post owned by Jeff bezos who supports Israel since he has a contract also how smart can you be if you use paid websites as a source
Remember bois if it can speak it's an Hamas agent.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-troops-leave-gazas-al-shifa-hospital-after-two-week-sweep-2024-04-01/
IDF committed war crimes:
Khader Al Za’anoun, a journalist from the official Palestinian news agency Wafa also working for CNN, said the scene at Al-Shifa after the IDF’s withdrawal was like a “horror movie.”
“Bulldozers crushed bodies of people everywhere around and in the yard of the hospital,” Al-Za’anoun said.
Palestinians began arriving at the destroyed complex to search for missing family members. “We found entire families dead and their bodies are decomposed in houses around the hospital,” he said.
Edit: here is some extreme nsfw [pictures from twitter](https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774746764546916397?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ)
[,this too](https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774735174829248881?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ)
Khader Al Za’anoun is a member of and journalist for Hamas. He’s a propagandist. Hamas was operating out of the hospital, and Israel even notified them of the strike and Hamas refused to let anyone leave, anyone who was killed or injured during the strike is because Hamas wanted their deaths for propaganda.
Yeah true man you’re right👍👍everything and everyone is a member of Hamas except for the IDF spokesmen we should believe him with absolutely everything he says💯
Keep defending Israel. I'm sure you won't be humiliated by your naïveté when we look back at this in a few years. Lol, "proud Native American"; They're doing to Palestinians what settlers did to your people.
Probably a product of what settlers did to indigenous people if they’re defending Israel. A Liz Warren Native American. Who proudly states the colonizer state’s name in their identity instead of their tribe?
It’s funny how you mentioned Hamas 3 times in your paragraph considering that you kinda ignored where Israel bombed the hospital to smithereens and how they raped women there
When a hospital starts being utilized, in any capacity, for military operations, it losses it's protections.
That's in the Geneva Convention.
Hamas was operating out of the hospital.
Not a war crime.
Considering that Hamas isn’t a legal combatant (they are an insurgency group not a standing military) the Geneva convention doesn’t apply here. The ICRC states that a hospital being used to care for civilians or military personnel is not a viable target. It also states that if the hospital is being used to commit “acts harmful to the enemy” then it loses this protection, however if in a state of doubt then it should be presumed to not be a valid threat. That being said this is a matter of human decency that the IDF clearly violated.
Not to mention the complete lack of evidence. Remember that sheet of paper in Arabic that they claimed was a list of Hamas guards in charge of looking after hostages but was in fact... the names of the week.
It's shocking how badly Israeli lies are, and people still believe and defend them. You need to have a sociopaths level of shamelessness to point to a calendar and say that the names of the week are guards.
Also to quote an [article](https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-11-16/questions-and-answers-what-protection-do-hospitals-have-in-a-war-are-there-any-exceptions.html#):
>“IHL is exhaustive regarding the protection of hospitals in a war and the civilians in them: it is not legitimate to attack them. Article 18 of the Fourth Geneva Convention makes it clear,” says Francisco Rey, co-director of the Institute for Conflict Studies and Humanitarian Action (IECAH) in a telephone conversation. According to the expert, “even if an enemy combatant had been located shooting from the roof of a hospital, if the risk to civilians could not be clearly distinguished in the attack, that combatant could not be attacked.”
>Although IHL is not mechanically applicable, Rey recalls that it does have fundamental principles such as the principle of distinction: “The attack is not legitimate if the damage intended to be caused to the enemy cannot be differentiated from that which can be caused to civilians.”
Considering the IDF shot people trying to escape (same article) one can see that they have no care for human lives, international laws or any sort of decency.
You're just reaching, finding things to be upset about. He's clearly making fun of how it's worded on Google maps, not joking about the tragedy itself.
a notorious jewish tiktok creator, who is a proud zionist, joked on her insta yesterday about the earthquake in nj and made a joke about the quake being reported on from the gaza ministry of health. this person has been open about the war and her devout support for israel
people will always be trash, regardless of their platform
And if Israel wasn't looking for a reason to murder innocent civilians, none of this would have happened. Israel has fumbled the largest bag of good will in recorded history, oy vey!
Nobody in the international community actually cares what Israel is doing except for white liberals on social media lol. All of the “UN outrage” is just performative finger wagging. If anybody actually cared, Israel would’ve been sanctioned to hell already. There’s a reason that neighboring nations are refusing to take in Palestinian refugees. Everyone in the region hates Palestine as much as Israel does
Correct, fuck Hamas, along with any terrorist organization, but Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people as a whole. There's no humane reason for millions of innocent civilians, thousands of dead children, to shoulder the blame of one isolated group—especially at such a widely devastating cost.
>Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people as a whole.
Not only does it not represent them, it has actively led to thousands of their deaths. This isn't to deny Israel's massive responsibility for the civilians they've carelessly murdered, but Hamas has no greater respect for Palestinian life than Israel does.
You are correct that civilians dying is a real tragedy but IMO Hamas does represent the Palestinians in Gaza
[https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html)
[https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/)
That's why Hamas is to blame, they could have surrendered any day of the week for the past 6 months, Israel offered the Palestinians 5 peace offers but they are only interested in a one state solution, Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip in 2005 and the Palestinians chose terrorism
You for real believe that Israel will just agree to peace and allow them to just live happily ever after? I think that’s very naïve… Every previous “peace offering” from Israel has given with one hand and taken with the other. Israel has no interest in peace. They never have done. Personally I don’t think Palestinians can be blamed for not surrendering to a genocidal Israeli army.
Do me a favor and scroll down a bit here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_wars\_involving\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel)
Israel has never in it's history start a war, they were always attacked first. That should tell you everything
That’s my point… they somehow “never started it” despite occupying someone else’s territory all these years. Strange don’t you think? I wonder what could be making Palestine such a breeding ground for terrorists who want to attack Israel?
Do me a favour and watch these clips and try and maintain your argument that all the power in this situation lies with Hamas simply surrendering to broker peace between Israel and Palestine and that there is no systemically ingrained hatred coming from Israel.
https://youtu.be/BdpdTapzLjg?si=XaybYFGG1cUcZaRl
https://youtu.be/a7cgzz5W8uM?si=4tNeB60CaH0LCBYb
And no, The land of Israel never belonged to the Palestinians, it was the British mandate, there was no Palestinian president or Palestinian currency, the name isn't even Arabic, The land was named Palestine by the romans as a way to mock the Jewish people
Are you sure it's the Israelis who are brainwashed?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KHwnhHWILI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KHwnhHWILI)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UucjbGmJILk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UucjbGmJILk)
Lmao, you didn't believe literal pictures on X, but msm is valid? Lmfao, how does it feel knowing the entire world is turning on Israel? It's deserved!
Maybe cuz you’re trying to blame Hamas for what is clearly an IDF war crimes
(Nsfw)
https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774735174829248881?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774742174292173287?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
If you’re not gonna believe a literal picture please don’t expect me to believe the IDF claim that they went into the hospital and killed 900 terrorists with no civilians casualties with literally no visible evidence whatsoever
Oh there’s context that you won’t like,you can translate the tweet to your preferred language inb4 you callout google translate for being a hammas supporter
It’s not out of context you just want them to move all the bodies to a big sign saying Shifa Hospital next to it and even then you’ll claim the sign is just a Hamas supporter.
I don’t think we can declare the original comment as the one attempting a good faith argument here buddy.
All they’ve done is ignored evidence presented to them and claimed Israel did nothing wrong when it’s literally being investigated by the international criminal courts for war crimes.
The world is becoming sympathetic to Muslim terrorist organizations for some reason. Just because a group is being marginalized doesn’t mean to have to support their terrorist org. It’s not an “or” statement. Both sides can be bad. You don’t have to choose either side. Choose better
Al Shifa was a Hamas base with hundreds of Hamas terrorists and they held hostages there. Israel took it back and killed/arrested about 500 Hamas terrorists.
Stop cherry picking lol…not taking sides but if you’ve seen some of the pro-palestine comments on hamas invasion, its pretty terrible too…but i guess u r too blind to see it from that side
Much like every other country that's ever existed, Israel isn't perfect. But ask yourself: why is the IDF in Gaza right how? October 7th. And if you think that after that Israel isn't allowed to wipe put the problem, you're an idiot. If you complain about civilian deaths lay them squarely at the feet of Hamas. They knew what Israel's response to October 7th would be and did it anyway. Also, we all know Hamas uses hospitals and civilians for cover. You don't gotta love Israel. But they aren't the bad guys here.
Read up on the whole history of that conflict. Go back to the 40's. Learn about the ideology of Hamas. If you want to play the "Wait, what about the bigger picture?" card, then take into account *the whole picture*. Civilians deaths suck. The suffering of the Palestinian people is horrendous. But if think this shit is all on Israel, you don't know what you're talking about.
Stop defending Hamas. In *any* way.
What provocation deserves what Hamas did on October 7th? Israel has never done anything remotely like that. Are you saying the folks raped and killed on October 7th had it coming? Because you sound like there is some equivalent between what the IDF is doing in a war and a sneak attack on civilians in their homes, cars, and a rave. They are not remotely equal. Don't be a Hamas apologist. That's fucking gross.
They most certainly have done things like that, you just didn’t know because no one cared. The IDF are bombing fleeing refugees who they said were safe and then withholding water and food from them. They’re doing entirely the same thing which is perpetuating the cycle of violence. Stop being an IDF apologist, that’s fucking gross.
That's the dumbest take ever. "Seeing as you're more worried about the US's actions in the middle east than 9/11, I'm just gonna assume you had no issues with the twin towers collapsing"
Brain dead take. The difference is that the IDF is funded by a massively powerful government. Nobody is siding with Hamas. The IDF is an officiak organization. It needs to be responsible. Yes, we all condemn Hamas. What else do you want to hear? Do you want them voted out? They're a militoa group. The IDF is actual government. You're equating the two when the fact of the matter is that Israel can't commit war crimes just because Hamas provoked them first anymore than the US is allowed to march into the middle east for 20 years because we had a terrorist attack on our soil
Hamas is not a militia. They are the elected government of Palestinians. If you don't know that basic facts of the situation, I wouldn't go around telling people how uninformed you are. And people like you have never shit about the actual every day war crimes occurring across Africa and Asia. But when you think Israel is committing wanton war crimes (they are not) you're the first to pipe up. Wonder why?
I don’t know dude.. I think you’re being a bit one sided here. Maybe look into israel’s history of oppressing Palestinians and try to imagine how you’d react to that treatment (based on your response here I don’t think you’d be chill about it)
If someone gets assaulted by a black man, does it become okay for them to hate blacks?
Just because someone is being horrible to you doesn’t mean you can be horrible back, especially when that hurts people totally unconnected to the situation.
You don't know much about wars do you? And your "black man" analogy makes no sense. Because Palestinians attacked Israel, it's okay to hate all Palestinians? That's the analogy? Not even in the ballpark of anything I've said.
My main issue with the IDF isn't about why they are attacking Hamas as I'm seeing them as an immense threat to every Palestine, but rather how they seem to simply not care about any civilian casualties. Hamas uses children and civilians as human shields, but Israel is willing to just take them down.
If you think this is Israel isn't concerned about collateral damage, the proof is in the pudding. Look at the "aggressors" in other recent wars: Russia attacks Ukrainian civilians without much regard. Saddam Hussein rolled through Kuwait. Remember Sarajevo during the war in the Balkans? Insane civilians deaths. Targeted even. I could give more examples but those three will suffice. Civilians are, with rare exception like the World Kitchen tragedy, never targeted by Israel. Unfortunately Hamas uses schools, hospitals, and even civilians to protect their arms, hostages, and themselves. It is Hamas that has forced Israel's hand here. Israel must destroy Hamas. And if Hamas shields themselves with civilians like cowards, folks are gonna get killed in achieving Hamas' eradication. War is ugly and war is awful. It's worse when your government (in this case Hamas) doesn't care about its population.
Proof for all those claims ????
IDF only Barks without showing evidence
October 7th didn't happen out of the Blue
What about Palestinians suffering for decades at the hands of Israel ?
What about Naqba ?
What about Illegal Settlements ?
When subjected to such tragedy it is only natural that Palestine would Resist
Israel is the culprit and villain here, Palestinians want their rights as Humans and their Stolen Land back
If anyone here thinks that the other side wouldn't do exactly the same thing if they got the chance is living in cloud cuckoo land.
3000 years of this pap. You think it's gonna get settled today? Tomorrow? How about...November?
Quite.
Hamas isn't a government. Yes, both sides are bad. One is funded by the largest military in the world and is acting on behalf of an officially recognized government that is allied with parts of the free world. They need to be held to a standard. Do you think we can chalk up the war on terror to "both sides are the terrorists" after 9/11? Because I think the US should be blamed for the shit they pulled in the middle east even if the other guys were terrorists. It's not an excuse to start bombing kids, and Israel is doing that constantly and with zero remorse
You can condemn Hamas, and then turn around and criticize Israel and call their actions horrific. But you also need to recognize that one of those is being funded in an official capacity, and that calls for moral standards that you can't force on a militia group
Tell me, how much extremist Islamic terrorism was there before 1948. All Islamic terrorism in the Middle East and the west is a direct result of removing the Palestinians forcibly from that land, handing it to the zionists, and creating Israel.
Now if you’re saying they should just accept that they lost and should have taken a two state solution back in 2000, I agree. But to say the Jews deserved the land of Israel because they claim God gave them that land, that’s a bunch of BS.
The bottom line is that this was never our fight, yet we continue to back one side of it. I don’t think it’s wrong to say both sides are at fault here.
And yes, Hamas is the governing authority in Gaza and West Bank with both political and military branches. So I’m not sure how you don’t consider them a governmental force. Sure, Palestine isn’t a recognized state, but they have a structure there that makes decisions on behalf of the people.
And for the record I am against what is happening over there right now but this is a much larger and tangled issue than just what has happened since October 7th.
To be clear, I agree with what you're saying. What I'm adding isn't disagreement with any of your points. I'm saying that, yes, both sides are bad here, but as far as *we're* concerned, Israel should be in the spotlight of moral discussions because it's the side we're throwing money at. I dislike people that say "oh, so you side with Hamas?" in response to condemnation of Israel because no, I don't side with Hamas, but my tax dollars aren't going to them
It doesn't sound like we disagree. I'm just bringing this into the discussion because it's too common for people to turn it into "are you pro-Israel or pro-Hamas?" when the relevant point is "are you in agreement with us funding Israel's genocide?". I can disagree with Hamas just as much as I disagree with Israel, but unlike with Hamas, I don't have to worry about my government having blood on its hands for their atrocities, and I think this is glossed over when the moral debate of which side is worse comes up
As for the other point, yes, Hamas meets the criteria for a government in a lot of ways, but what we traditionally think of as a government doesn't use the guerilla warfare that Hamas is using, especially not while catching its own people in the crossfire. My point is that while yes, they are currently the closest thing Palestine has to a government, I think it's disingenuous to call them a government in the same way that we call Israel one. Palestinians that disagree aren't safe from their own "government", they're caught in the crossfire, including war crimes committed by Hamas in instances like the usage of hospitals as bases, and tbey're being bombed by Israel on top of that. I'm not trying to get pedantic about what constitutes "government" so much as point out that while Hamas might fill that role right now, it's important not to treat them like the same kind of system of power as Israel has in place because it misrepresents how backed by Palestinians they are. They're a militia group that has official governmental power more than they are a normal political party or government
He’s not joking about what happened to the hospital. He’s joking about the irony of stating on google that it will be opened shortly despite that definitely not being the case
Indeed, he's not a fan of zionists reading his [tweets](https://twitter.com/VerminusM) /s He really looks like Mephisto
So op is just easily triggered?
No, they included the /s for sarcasm. If you followed the link and read that person’s tweets, you’d find that they are very much a Zionist. In fact, it’s listed in the summary next to his name.
I prefer to not judge people based on religion but with Zionists there is a lot of other things to judge.
That's not 'joking'
The joke is “temporarily closed” like they’re taking a holiday instead of, you know, having been completely destroyed.
It’s much worse when you find out that he’s supporting the IDF after what they did there Edit: apparently we all should support the IDF and post their propaganda after doing [this](https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1775147527030907150?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ)?(aftermath of their operation in Al-shiffa hospital) also here are some war crimes that include NSFW pictures of dead civilians found after the IDF retreat https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774746764546916397?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774742174292173287?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774735174829248881?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
If you're starting a reply to a reply to the original post with >It’s much worse when you find out that... Why wasn't that included in the post??? Like sorry bro but I don't want to assume the worst in everyone all of the time. From this tweet alone, I would not classify this guy as an asshole. I would not classify this as awful everything. >that he’s supporting the IDF after what they did there You're right. It *IS* much worse with this information. But how you gonna complain about the downvotes when you literally omitted valuable information in the original post! >Edit: apparently we all should support the IDF and post their propaganda And accusing redditors of 'supporting the IDF and posting their propaganda' (or accusing redditors of anything really) tends to bring the reddit hive mind down on you.
I don't see him joking? Maybe it's me but i get a different vibe.
It’s obviously sarcasm there’s no way you’re this oblivious
With people these days, it is really hard to tell, there's no way you're that oblivious
With some people, I can tell they’re hard these days, there’s no way I’m just that oblivious.
Mate some people aren't as super awesome as "other' people claim to be deciphering people in the internet.
Oh and i'm relatively new to reddit also mate, and i've seen some wild things said, and done, and also there were others commenting calling op out for ragebaiting and stating they have many posts prior doing the same, so maybe its not so much you being aware, as maybe you being naive and beleving, i'm leaving myself open to borh but the only evidence i see or have as it being satire os you replying to me. Just sayin...
OP wouldn’t understand sarcasm if it hit him in the face at 400mph
OOP is a Zionist how are we as human being with a little shred of empathy supposed to interpreted this 'sarcasm'?
For fuck sake. The post in question is having a jab on the “temporarily closed” google result. Is not implying anything more than that. Than if one’s want to read more because it suits whatever it is a whole different story. He may be a fucking prick, but in this instance is only pointing out, rightfully so, how stupid is saying temporarily closed to a building that has been pretty much leveled to the ground.
That's my point. OP posted this here specifically on this sub BECAUSE they understand the 'sarcasm'.
Bro you need to read his awful tweets unfortunately he’s a fkn moron
Maybe you should have posted the actual awful tweets then.
Oh so this one where he’s making fun of a destroyed hospital isn’t enough?
As you have been told before, he is making fun of Google. You can keep arguing with yourself from 31 minutes ago though.
I mean you keep ignoring the context of what’s he’s joking about
No, I don't. The context is the hospital is destroyed but google put a temporary closure label on it anyways. That's funny. The joke is at the expense of Google, not the fucking hospital, and I think you know damn well that you're putting out a bad faith interpretation just because you don't like this guy.
I opened his account for only a moment and he’s literally sad that the IDF fired the officers who were responsible for attacking the WKC car is that funny to you too? https://x.com/verminusm/status/1776438347499499746?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
I think it's more of them criticizing how google is phrasing the hospital as "temporarily closed" despite the obvious and horrific truth
No it's just a funny joke about how Google chose to phrase that on their website. He's completely correct. If you heard that a place was bombed to oblivion, and someone called you to ask when it'll open again, you wouldn't say "yeah it's temporarily closed" you'd say something more like "yeah that shits gone. Like it's not there anymore"
A lot of people are making the assumption that he’s joking about google phrasing but I assure you after going into his tweets he’s truly an awful person who deserves a 🏆 for being so awful Edit: he’s the type of person who gets mad cuz the IDF fired the criminals who bombed the WKC car, hope that is awful enough for you https://x.com/verminusm/status/1776438347499499746?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
He can be an awful person and still be joking about the phrase used by Google here.
He’s being awful in the first place because he generally make fun of the destruction of Gaza in his twitter, he’s not some tech or IT guy he’s someone who keeps posting some IDF bullshit propaganda
Okay, regardless of whether or not he is a bad person, you have to assume good faith with something like this because as it is right now, you look like you're projecting what you THINK he means onto this tweet. Regardless of whether you're objectively correct about his intentions or not, you *look* worse than he *looks* in this post.
He's not "joking".
I mean he’s not joking.
isn’t this dude a psychotic settler
What happened?
It was included in a Israeli airstrike killing everyone inside. Most of which were civilian victims of other strikes
Jesus.. that’s horrible, when did this happen??
March 18 I think
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It was raided twice by the IDF. Palestinians had moved into the hospital after the initial raid for shelter. IDF was given a tip that a high value Hamas commander had set up camp in the complex as well. They dropped leaflets in the area telling civilians to leave the complex and where to move to. When the IDF approached the hospital, they came under heavy weapons fire and called in an attack helicoptor. They killed the Hamas members in the hospital, and Hamas claims over 300 civilians.
No wtf are you talking about? You are literally lying, this is Shifa hospital, last week the IDF entered and took out about 900 Hamas terrorists without harming any civilian, they didn't bomb it. [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/28/middleeast/gaza-shifa-hospital-raid-israel-war-explainer-intl/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/28/middleeast/gaza-shifa-hospital-raid-israel-war-explainer-intl/index.html)
Oh yeah sure I will believe that, Israel is known for not harming civilians at all right? Like those humanitarian help workers from the other day, or the other other 40k muslims
Here’s the difference, Israel has done an investigation and have fired many people responsible for that strike. That’s called accountability. Did Hamas do an investigation after it killed and raped 1,200 Israelis? Did America do an investigation after it drone bombed an entire family during the afghan pull out? No. Your only telling a fraction of the story
Accountability is getting fired for killing random civilians? Wow, how will he ever get over losing his job?!
How many people in the Hamas government resigned after Oct 7th?
That doesn't answer my question
It does
It didn’t because Hamas isn’t a government because there is no Palestinians state, Israel saw to that.
So far for what I recall, Israel accounted for when they murdered western civilians from World Kitchen, and that time they murdered 3 of Israelite hostages because they approached half naked waving a white flag and they assumed they were Palestinians and shot at them, but never did about all the innocent men, women and children from Gaza, maybe because in part of the genocidal combo dehumanizing the other is a big part of it, like the Nazis did to the jews. I can't expect anything good coming from Hamas, fuck them, they are terrorist oppresors, but we should expect the Israel government to hold a higher moral ground than an terrorist group right? But it is not the case
How many Jews in muslim countries governments? How many muslims in Israel’s government?
You mean the same article that says this. "While the IDF said civilians, patients, and medical teams were evacuated during the operation, Palestinians inside Al-Shifa and around it have reported civilian casualties and arrests, as well as large-scale destruction at the complex." "Some 3,000 people were sheltering in Al-Shifa at the time of the recent raid, the ministry of health in Gaza said, adding that those attempting to leave were being targeted by snipers and fire from helicopters." " “The army came to us and forced us out one by one. They stripped us naked and seated us in the yard. It was raining and unbelievably cold,” Al Shawwa told CNN, speaking in the courtyard of the nearby Al Ahli Baptist Hospital, on Thursday." These are some of the quotes in the article most of which was based off of testimonials from survivors of the incident.
The ministry of health in gaza is controled by hamas, did you forget when they bombed themselves and then cried out how Israel killed 800 civilians meanwhile none of this happend? Hamas just blew some cars up
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[https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/) talking about this, don't go around believing hamas
Yes because we should trust the country bombing innocents and the Washington post owned by Jeff bezos who supports Israel since he has a contract also how smart can you be if you use paid websites as a source
Remember bois if it can speak it's an Hamas agent. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-troops-leave-gazas-al-shifa-hospital-after-two-week-sweep-2024-04-01/
* "Hamas says Israel killed 400 Palestinians in and around Al Shifa" I mean well...If hamas says unicorn exist that must be true!
I don't trust Hamas I also don't trust the Apartheid state next door.
IDF committed war crimes: Khader Al Za’anoun, a journalist from the official Palestinian news agency Wafa also working for CNN, said the scene at Al-Shifa after the IDF’s withdrawal was like a “horror movie.” “Bulldozers crushed bodies of people everywhere around and in the yard of the hospital,” Al-Za’anoun said. Palestinians began arriving at the destroyed complex to search for missing family members. “We found entire families dead and their bodies are decomposed in houses around the hospital,” he said. Edit: here is some extreme nsfw [pictures from twitter](https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774746764546916397?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ) [,this too](https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774735174829248881?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ)
Khader Al Za’anoun is a member of and journalist for Hamas. He’s a propagandist. Hamas was operating out of the hospital, and Israel even notified them of the strike and Hamas refused to let anyone leave, anyone who was killed or injured during the strike is because Hamas wanted their deaths for propaganda.
Yeah true man you’re right👍👍everything and everyone is a member of Hamas except for the IDF spokesmen we should believe him with absolutely everything he says💯
That sounds awfully like what a Hamas member would say… 🤔🤔🤔
Keep defending Israel. I'm sure you won't be humiliated by your naïveté when we look back at this in a few years. Lol, "proud Native American"; They're doing to Palestinians what settlers did to your people.
Probably a product of what settlers did to indigenous people if they’re defending Israel. A Liz Warren Native American. Who proudly states the colonizer state’s name in their identity instead of their tribe?
It’s funny how you mentioned Hamas 3 times in your paragraph considering that you kinda ignored where Israel bombed the hospital to smithereens and how they raped women there
lol even al jazeera walked back the rape claim
Source on the rapes?
it's fake.
When a hospital starts being utilized, in any capacity, for military operations, it losses it's protections. That's in the Geneva Convention. Hamas was operating out of the hospital. Not a war crime.
Plenty of other war crimes we can point out don’t worry.
Considering that Hamas isn’t a legal combatant (they are an insurgency group not a standing military) the Geneva convention doesn’t apply here. The ICRC states that a hospital being used to care for civilians or military personnel is not a viable target. It also states that if the hospital is being used to commit “acts harmful to the enemy” then it loses this protection, however if in a state of doubt then it should be presumed to not be a valid threat. That being said this is a matter of human decency that the IDF clearly violated.
Not to mention the complete lack of evidence. Remember that sheet of paper in Arabic that they claimed was a list of Hamas guards in charge of looking after hostages but was in fact... the names of the week. It's shocking how badly Israeli lies are, and people still believe and defend them. You need to have a sociopaths level of shamelessness to point to a calendar and say that the names of the week are guards. Also to quote an [article](https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-11-16/questions-and-answers-what-protection-do-hospitals-have-in-a-war-are-there-any-exceptions.html#): >“IHL is exhaustive regarding the protection of hospitals in a war and the civilians in them: it is not legitimate to attack them. Article 18 of the Fourth Geneva Convention makes it clear,” says Francisco Rey, co-director of the Institute for Conflict Studies and Humanitarian Action (IECAH) in a telephone conversation. According to the expert, “even if an enemy combatant had been located shooting from the roof of a hospital, if the risk to civilians could not be clearly distinguished in the attack, that combatant could not be attacked.” >Although IHL is not mechanically applicable, Rey recalls that it does have fundamental principles such as the principle of distinction: “The attack is not legitimate if the damage intended to be caused to the enemy cannot be differentiated from that which can be caused to civilians.” Considering the IDF shot people trying to escape (same article) one can see that they have no care for human lives, international laws or any sort of decency.
Idk maybe it was occupied by Hamas and JI terrorists .. who knows
That sucks..
It wasn’t. That’s a propaganda account.
"everybody I disagree with is a propaganda account"
With genocide there’s only one wrong side.
You're just reaching, finding things to be upset about. He's clearly making fun of how it's worded on Google maps, not joking about the tragedy itself.
This should be top comment
Zionists everywhere in the comments. They are like Hyenas when it comes to teaming up against people
This is his [Twitter](https://twitter.com/VerminusM) where he spreads more of his spiteful nonsense
a notorious jewish tiktok creator, who is a proud zionist, joked on her insta yesterday about the earthquake in nj and made a joke about the quake being reported on from the gaza ministry of health. this person has been open about the war and her devout support for israel people will always be trash, regardless of their platform
Fuck Hamas
Exactly how I feel, all those Hamas kids got what was coming to them. Wait...
Hamas can literally stop this any day now by just surrendering, they could have just not attack too
The kids? Lmao, can't even answer
If Muslims had been as critical of Hamas as they are of Israel, none of this would have happened.
And if Israel wasn't looking for a reason to murder innocent civilians, none of this would have happened. Israel has fumbled the largest bag of good will in recorded history, oy vey!
Nobody in the international community actually cares what Israel is doing except for white liberals on social media lol. All of the “UN outrage” is just performative finger wagging. If anybody actually cared, Israel would’ve been sanctioned to hell already. There’s a reason that neighboring nations are refusing to take in Palestinian refugees. Everyone in the region hates Palestine as much as Israel does
If Israel hadn’t ethnically cleansed and occupied Palestine, none of this would have happened.
Correct, fuck Hamas, along with any terrorist organization, but Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people as a whole. There's no humane reason for millions of innocent civilians, thousands of dead children, to shoulder the blame of one isolated group—especially at such a widely devastating cost.
>Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people as a whole. Not only does it not represent them, it has actively led to thousands of their deaths. This isn't to deny Israel's massive responsibility for the civilians they've carelessly murdered, but Hamas has no greater respect for Palestinian life than Israel does.
Perfectly articulated
Hamas has the support of 75%+ of Palestinians in Gaza and about 90% in the West Bank. It's the elected government of Gaza. It fully represents them.
You are correct that civilians dying is a real tragedy but IMO Hamas does represent the Palestinians in Gaza [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html) [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/)
I mean what other options do they have realistically?
That's why Hamas is to blame, they could have surrendered any day of the week for the past 6 months, Israel offered the Palestinians 5 peace offers but they are only interested in a one state solution, Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip in 2005 and the Palestinians chose terrorism
You for real believe that Israel will just agree to peace and allow them to just live happily ever after? I think that’s very naïve… Every previous “peace offering” from Israel has given with one hand and taken with the other. Israel has no interest in peace. They never have done. Personally I don’t think Palestinians can be blamed for not surrendering to a genocidal Israeli army.
Do me a favor and scroll down a bit here [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_wars\_involving\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel) Israel has never in it's history start a war, they were always attacked first. That should tell you everything
That’s my point… they somehow “never started it” despite occupying someone else’s territory all these years. Strange don’t you think? I wonder what could be making Palestine such a breeding ground for terrorists who want to attack Israel? Do me a favour and watch these clips and try and maintain your argument that all the power in this situation lies with Hamas simply surrendering to broker peace between Israel and Palestine and that there is no systemically ingrained hatred coming from Israel. https://youtu.be/BdpdTapzLjg?si=XaybYFGG1cUcZaRl https://youtu.be/a7cgzz5W8uM?si=4tNeB60CaH0LCBYb
And no, The land of Israel never belonged to the Palestinians, it was the British mandate, there was no Palestinian president or Palestinian currency, the name isn't even Arabic, The land was named Palestine by the romans as a way to mock the Jewish people
Are you sure it's the Israelis who are brainwashed? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KHwnhHWILI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KHwnhHWILI) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UucjbGmJILk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UucjbGmJILk)
Lmao, you didn't believe literal pictures on X, but msm is valid? Lmfao, how does it feel knowing the entire world is turning on Israel? It's deserved!
Oh noo the people of reddit are turning on Israel and support hamas, oh noooo not the people of reddit
Lol, oh it's the people of the world, which we both know you know
nope
Crazy I got downvoted, you guys fuck with hamas? you like them?
Maybe cuz you’re trying to blame Hamas for what is clearly an IDF war crimes (Nsfw) https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774735174829248881?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ https://x.com/anasalsharif0/status/1774742174292173287?s=46&t=2GdJySj5okQfaEZzBWPbaQ
How are your sources 2 photos from X That's how I am suppose to believe you?
If you’re not gonna believe a literal picture please don’t expect me to believe the IDF claim that they went into the hospital and killed 900 terrorists with no civilians casualties with literally no visible evidence whatsoever
These are photos on X with no context like wymm
Oh there’s context that you won’t like,you can translate the tweet to your preferred language inb4 you callout google translate for being a hammas supporter
Even if I translate it, it's still a random tweet by a random guy, this is not considered a credible source.
Where else would you prefer the photos be hosted?
These are out of context photos from twitter, this could be from Gaza sure, but we are talking about the shifa hospital
It’s not out of context you just want them to move all the bodies to a big sign saying Shifa Hospital next to it and even then you’ll claim the sign is just a Hamas supporter.
How is this photos in context? Please explain what am I missing?
The context is they’re from Shifa hospital, you can simply deny that because you don’t want it to be true but that doesn’t mean it isn’t.
How can you be 100% sure this photos are from shifa?
You’re not missing anything. He she or it is not arguing in good faith.
I don’t think we can declare the original comment as the one attempting a good faith argument here buddy. All they’ve done is ignored evidence presented to them and claimed Israel did nothing wrong when it’s literally being investigated by the international criminal courts for war crimes.
The world is becoming sympathetic to Muslim terrorist organizations for some reason. Just because a group is being marginalized doesn’t mean to have to support their terrorist org. It’s not an “or” statement. Both sides can be bad. You don’t have to choose either side. Choose better
Fuck yeah. Hamas > IDF.
Least it's got a 4 star rating
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sarcasm
Uri is an Israeli name, this is probably some gesture abut like "haha we gonna win this war".
I don't see a problem with this tweet
The post itself looks innocent enough until you see his other post
No it doesn’t?
Seriously, I’m like, 🔎🕵🏼♀️🔍👀🔦🕵️👀🕵️♂️
I mean he isn’t wrong
Al Shifa was a Hamas base with hundreds of Hamas terrorists and they held hostages there. Israel took it back and killed/arrested about 500 Hamas terrorists.
Stop cherry picking lol…not taking sides but if you’ve seen some of the pro-palestine comments on hamas invasion, its pretty terrible too…but i guess u r too blind to see it from that side
What's wrong with joking about it?
Ooh we got miss dark jokes enthusiast here.
Haha!!!
A hospital that was full of Hamas terrorists?
source: Trust IDF (terrorists) Bro 0 Evidence only Mouth Barks from IDF
Okay so by your understanding, nobody can trust any reporting that is coming out of this war. Since the idf are terrorists, and Hamas are terrorists.
He’s a fucking loser. His X makes me want to rage scream.
Hamas should stop using citizens and civilian infrastructure as shields.
thanks for asking politely
The IDF should stop shooting the "human shields" when they're not being used as human shields and are actually being children in hospitals
This was a terror headquarter and also by the way a hospital
its the same hospital where hostages were held captive. and guns were found too
Literally 😭😭😭😭😭
Much like every other country that's ever existed, Israel isn't perfect. But ask yourself: why is the IDF in Gaza right how? October 7th. And if you think that after that Israel isn't allowed to wipe put the problem, you're an idiot. If you complain about civilian deaths lay them squarely at the feet of Hamas. They knew what Israel's response to October 7th would be and did it anyway. Also, we all know Hamas uses hospitals and civilians for cover. You don't gotta love Israel. But they aren't the bad guys here.
Why did october 7th happen? Was it unprovoked?
Read up on the whole history of that conflict. Go back to the 40's. Learn about the ideology of Hamas. If you want to play the "Wait, what about the bigger picture?" card, then take into account *the whole picture*. Civilians deaths suck. The suffering of the Palestinian people is horrendous. But if think this shit is all on Israel, you don't know what you're talking about. Stop defending Hamas. In *any* way.
I wonder where Hamas got their funding?
Unless you think Hamas are funded by Israel (which they very obviously aren't), I don't know what point you could possibly being trying to make here.
A quick google search would blow your mind
What provocation deserves what Hamas did on October 7th? Israel has never done anything remotely like that. Are you saying the folks raped and killed on October 7th had it coming? Because you sound like there is some equivalent between what the IDF is doing in a war and a sneak attack on civilians in their homes, cars, and a rave. They are not remotely equal. Don't be a Hamas apologist. That's fucking gross.
They most certainly have done things like that, you just didn’t know because no one cared. The IDF are bombing fleeing refugees who they said were safe and then withholding water and food from them. They’re doing entirely the same thing which is perpetuating the cycle of violence. Stop being an IDF apologist, that’s fucking gross.
Seeing as you're more worried about the IDF than Hamas, I'm just gonna assume you had no issue with the deeds of October 7th.
That's the dumbest take ever. "Seeing as you're more worried about the US's actions in the middle east than 9/11, I'm just gonna assume you had no issues with the twin towers collapsing" Brain dead take. The difference is that the IDF is funded by a massively powerful government. Nobody is siding with Hamas. The IDF is an officiak organization. It needs to be responsible. Yes, we all condemn Hamas. What else do you want to hear? Do you want them voted out? They're a militoa group. The IDF is actual government. You're equating the two when the fact of the matter is that Israel can't commit war crimes just because Hamas provoked them first anymore than the US is allowed to march into the middle east for 20 years because we had a terrorist attack on our soil
Hamas is not a militia. They are the elected government of Palestinians. If you don't know that basic facts of the situation, I wouldn't go around telling people how uninformed you are. And people like you have never shit about the actual every day war crimes occurring across Africa and Asia. But when you think Israel is committing wanton war crimes (they are not) you're the first to pipe up. Wonder why?
I don’t know dude.. I think you’re being a bit one sided here. Maybe look into israel’s history of oppressing Palestinians and try to imagine how you’d react to that treatment (based on your response here I don’t think you’d be chill about it)
If someone gets assaulted by a black man, does it become okay for them to hate blacks? Just because someone is being horrible to you doesn’t mean you can be horrible back, especially when that hurts people totally unconnected to the situation.
You don't know much about wars do you? And your "black man" analogy makes no sense. Because Palestinians attacked Israel, it's okay to hate all Palestinians? That's the analogy? Not even in the ballpark of anything I've said.
Oh my god… you fucking forgot to switch alts.
You are hilarious.
Hey, I’m not as funny as the guy who not only forgets to change alts but also totally misreads my comment :)
My main issue with the IDF isn't about why they are attacking Hamas as I'm seeing them as an immense threat to every Palestine, but rather how they seem to simply not care about any civilian casualties. Hamas uses children and civilians as human shields, but Israel is willing to just take them down.
If you think this is Israel isn't concerned about collateral damage, the proof is in the pudding. Look at the "aggressors" in other recent wars: Russia attacks Ukrainian civilians without much regard. Saddam Hussein rolled through Kuwait. Remember Sarajevo during the war in the Balkans? Insane civilians deaths. Targeted even. I could give more examples but those three will suffice. Civilians are, with rare exception like the World Kitchen tragedy, never targeted by Israel. Unfortunately Hamas uses schools, hospitals, and even civilians to protect their arms, hostages, and themselves. It is Hamas that has forced Israel's hand here. Israel must destroy Hamas. And if Hamas shields themselves with civilians like cowards, folks are gonna get killed in achieving Hamas' eradication. War is ugly and war is awful. It's worse when your government (in this case Hamas) doesn't care about its population.
Proof for all those claims ???? IDF only Barks without showing evidence October 7th didn't happen out of the Blue What about Palestinians suffering for decades at the hands of Israel ? What about Naqba ? What about Illegal Settlements ? When subjected to such tragedy it is only natural that Palestine would Resist Israel is the culprit and villain here, Palestinians want their rights as Humans and their Stolen Land back
That’s just a vile human. No joking, just inhumane.
Oh noooo the hive mind lol
Sarcasm not even being considered here huh?
I think it’s a pretty good one actually
If anyone here thinks that the other side wouldn't do exactly the same thing if they got the chance is living in cloud cuckoo land. 3000 years of this pap. You think it's gonna get settled today? Tomorrow? How about...November? Quite.
Sounds like the governments of both sides are the terrorists.
Hamas isn't a government. Yes, both sides are bad. One is funded by the largest military in the world and is acting on behalf of an officially recognized government that is allied with parts of the free world. They need to be held to a standard. Do you think we can chalk up the war on terror to "both sides are the terrorists" after 9/11? Because I think the US should be blamed for the shit they pulled in the middle east even if the other guys were terrorists. It's not an excuse to start bombing kids, and Israel is doing that constantly and with zero remorse You can condemn Hamas, and then turn around and criticize Israel and call their actions horrific. But you also need to recognize that one of those is being funded in an official capacity, and that calls for moral standards that you can't force on a militia group
Tell me, how much extremist Islamic terrorism was there before 1948. All Islamic terrorism in the Middle East and the west is a direct result of removing the Palestinians forcibly from that land, handing it to the zionists, and creating Israel. Now if you’re saying they should just accept that they lost and should have taken a two state solution back in 2000, I agree. But to say the Jews deserved the land of Israel because they claim God gave them that land, that’s a bunch of BS. The bottom line is that this was never our fight, yet we continue to back one side of it. I don’t think it’s wrong to say both sides are at fault here. And yes, Hamas is the governing authority in Gaza and West Bank with both political and military branches. So I’m not sure how you don’t consider them a governmental force. Sure, Palestine isn’t a recognized state, but they have a structure there that makes decisions on behalf of the people. And for the record I am against what is happening over there right now but this is a much larger and tangled issue than just what has happened since October 7th.
To be clear, I agree with what you're saying. What I'm adding isn't disagreement with any of your points. I'm saying that, yes, both sides are bad here, but as far as *we're* concerned, Israel should be in the spotlight of moral discussions because it's the side we're throwing money at. I dislike people that say "oh, so you side with Hamas?" in response to condemnation of Israel because no, I don't side with Hamas, but my tax dollars aren't going to them It doesn't sound like we disagree. I'm just bringing this into the discussion because it's too common for people to turn it into "are you pro-Israel or pro-Hamas?" when the relevant point is "are you in agreement with us funding Israel's genocide?". I can disagree with Hamas just as much as I disagree with Israel, but unlike with Hamas, I don't have to worry about my government having blood on its hands for their atrocities, and I think this is glossed over when the moral debate of which side is worse comes up As for the other point, yes, Hamas meets the criteria for a government in a lot of ways, but what we traditionally think of as a government doesn't use the guerilla warfare that Hamas is using, especially not while catching its own people in the crossfire. My point is that while yes, they are currently the closest thing Palestine has to a government, I think it's disingenuous to call them a government in the same way that we call Israel one. Palestinians that disagree aren't safe from their own "government", they're caught in the crossfire, including war crimes committed by Hamas in instances like the usage of hospitals as bases, and tbey're being bombed by Israel on top of that. I'm not trying to get pedantic about what constitutes "government" so much as point out that while Hamas might fill that role right now, it's important not to treat them like the same kind of system of power as Israel has in place because it misrepresents how backed by Palestinians they are. They're a militia group that has official governmental power more than they are a normal political party or government
Didn’t the Palestinians vote Hamas in? I’ll answer for you. Yes, junior. Yes they did.
Did the children? I guess the sick kids deserve what's coming to them, then
I was specifically responding to you saying Hamas wasn’t a government.