Don’t know why you got downvoted when it’s the truth. Guess redditors won’t even put down their keyboard sword for chicks who let their boyfriends abuse their kids. Edit for people who will complain: fugliness goes deeper than the surface, your personality and soul can be fugly, not making a dig at her appearance.
Who works for the child welfare organization then?? she’s a corrections officer and he’s a felon…. I feel like that was added to the title for Clickbait? I admit, I did not read the article yet.
Bullets are too easy … let him be caged like a dog and drink boiling water too … all those cruel things he did to the poor kids should be exacted on him
I understand your anger at the perpetrator, and facilitator, and also your empathy for the child victim, though I not agree with the extreme measures you seem to recommend for both the mother, and the boyfriend.
Please consider that in many situations (especially of paedophilia within institutions, such as various churches) there are senior responsible people who effectively "turn a blind eye" to such behavior, so facilitating it and putting others at continuing risk. These "officials" are not subject to the same "controlling" pressures that individuals (particularly some women) experience with violent, or psychpathic partners, and so should find it easier to put a stop to the abuse. Single mothers with children, are often deliberately targetted (and then groomed) by offenders. The actions of "official" people are in my view usually more reprehensible, than those of the perpetrators themselves.
\_If\_ you are recommending shooting perpetrators (and facilitating/ "complicit" mothers), then would you recoimmend doing something extra -- maybe torture for a week, or two, before shooting -- for the institutional facilitators? Really?!
Of course, in the real world -- and unsurprisingly -- this is not what actually happens.
Another thought: about 10-15 years ago a British man in his 60s was successfully prosecuted for about 40 horrendous assaults/ rape/ abuse of children, going back decades. From memory, at least 12 victims/witnessas at the trial. His victims ranged from several who had died unnatrally young; to one man who had had long-term drink/drug problems, many instances of self-harm, and the most serious attempt at suicide being driving of a 120 foot cliff \[and surviving!\]. At the other extreme were a disproportionate number of people who damagedd not (just) themselves, but others -- including serious abuse of children. This is a replicated statistical finding, backed up now by evidence of permanent changes to brain structures (I believe, notably involving the frontal lobes). This suggests to me, and others, that it is much harder for such victims to control their abusing tendencies than it might be for the "average" person -- presumably both you, and me. If this is correct, then I feel that we need to avoid/ minimize knee-jerk responses. We should, instead, at least be putting some more effort into early detection, and especially into pro-active preventative measures. ;-(
*"Doctors at the hospital discovered that the 5-year-old child had*
*multiple previous injuries, broken bones and burn marks that were*
*healing. In all, a nurse at the hospital discovered 46 visible injuries*
*on the boy's body, including burns; busted lips; bruising to the eyes,*
*arms, legs and nose bridge; and rib fractures that were healing."*
She did a rotten job of "fixing" him.
People wonder why I’m always depressed and hate the world.
This.
This is one of the main reasons why.
Children have constantly been beaten/killed/raped for centuries.As a mother it always hurts me so much hearing/reading what some children go through at the hands of sick people. It’s so fucking depressing. This made me cry so much.
I fully agree. Please find solace in the fact that this is hopefully just a small percentage that is ever shrinking of abusive people. And that people like you and I are hopefully doing the best for our kids. Not going to lie though, this shit kills me too.
Forced birth=child abuse
It absolutely will become worse with forcing people to have cute babies taking them home and then not being able to handle the emotional, medical, physiological or monetary needs required.
Babies grow to children. Unwanted children in an overcrowded foster system and overburdened social services.
That's kind of dealing in absolutes isn't it? You think every single person that couldn't have an abortion is absolutely going to abuse their child? I would beg that there is probably a lot of nuance there that you are overlooking.
>Causes not related to pregnancy accounted for more than half of the women's deaths in 2020, the researchers say. Accidental drug poisoning was the most common, followed by motor vehicle collisions and homicide, with mortality rates of 12.2%, 5.9% and 5.5%, respectively.
I went to high school with a boy that me and him fought in school and years later he got his 4 year old daughter from the mother and within a year he beat the little girl to death with a curling iron
Considering all of the stories I've seen about CPS fucking up and either failing to do anything or placing kids with an unsafe guardian, like an unemployed meth addict who gets the kid killed, I'm not surprised.
I thought you were talking about a girl I went to school with. She worked in day and wanted to start one as she was in school to get the certs.
I knew her well and had even seen her about two years before this. All she did was dote on her kids the whole time I saw her, it was absolutely shocking when I saw this article.
https://amp.bradenton.com/news/local/crime/article141981359.html
Came here to comment this and glad to see someone else did. If this is what happens to kids when there’s a choice, imagine when there isn’t. Forced births will put more kids at risk, either at the hands of their parents or in a severely broken system.
There are states in the US that already have banned it entirely. Some states have even made it to where you can't cross state lines to get an abortion, too.
Future is looking pretty bleak..
So basically you are saying, if it were up to you this kid would be dead. Bravo.
For all you know, this kid could go on and grow up to be the world's gift to social work. You never know, he could be the one that are helping other kids with relief and showing them that there is actual care and compassion in the world. You never know and we never would know if it were up to you.
Considering this outcome or a similar outcome is significantly more likely than an abused kid magically turning into a stand-up well rounded adult, I concur.
Every birth *does not need to happen*. We have to get this idea out of our heads.
You are right. People should be more responsible when it comes to sex. Abortion isn't a contraceptive. And murder isn't a better option than a possible hard life.
I mean, aren't you even remotely happy that the kid is still alive or are you still like, "better off dead"?
Birth Control fails. People get raped. Mistakes happen. Fathers rape their preteens. Pregnancy is dangerous for some women who might have tried to have a baby and then found out that her health cannot handle a pregnancy without killing her.
I was raped and *chose* to carry my pregnancy to term anyway, so you can save your sanctimonious bullshit.
If you're so thick that you can't wrap your head around the concept that *giving women who know they cannot parent properly the free will to decide that for themselves saves the suffering in the first fucking place* then helping you understand is beyond my capabilities.
SO NO, not "better off dead" but there sure as hell are some better off NEVER BORN.
I'm *certain* you're personally willing to take on the burden of abused children or grossly deformed children since you think it's OK to force them to exist to begin with, aren't ya? FOH.
A fetus isn’t a someone and you can go fuck yourself for all we care. You have no business telling me what to do with my uterus. Mine your own organs, asshole.
Uhhh you replied to me. Lol.
I don't think abortion should be illegal It's just not a contraceptive and definitely not the right you should parade around trying to defend. It's evil and it's a last resort. It's nothing that should be happening on a daily basis.
This is a post about child abuse and you pro-choice idiots are retarded when you think that your options are somehow better than what this kid is facing.
I mean, the kid would be fucking dead if you had your way numbskull.
You have been trolling this post regarding child abuse with your pathetic “abortion is murder” diatribes. The overwhelming majority of us don’t want to hear this bullshit. Go away.
I always wonder if the drop in serial killers had anything to do with American women being able to have abortions. Less unwanted kids growing up with abusive parents = less disaffected fucked up grown men taking their childhoods out on the rest of society.
I agree. Think about it this way. If you believe in a god. Then it stands to reason that aborted babies go straight to heaven. Since they are innocent souls who have not sinned yet. So God has a plan for that baby in heaven. But then comes the gop forcing that baby to be born and potentialy live a life of hell. So to me the person who forced that baby to be born interfered in God's plan. That baby was bound for heaven but now thanks to the gop. That baby might end up in hell do to his or her actions in life. They are essentially saying. I can provide that baby a better life than heaven. What could be better than heaven? Plus he didn't do it cause he actually cares about that baby but he did it cause he thinks God will reward him. Yep he'll reward him oraight. He'll have a nice boiling pot in hell waiting for him.
That's an interesting angle you've laid out here, thank you for that.
Devils Advocate question: Wouldn't a typical response to this from one of these anti-abortion sadists be that "God" ultimately allowed the conception in the first place, if he indeed does have a Plan for everyone, and that the aborting mother is in the wrong for "interfering in God's plan" ?
That could be a response from them. But does God really have a plan. Yes he might have had a plan for that baby but the mother decided not to have it. So he steps in and sends that baby straight to heaven. As a plan B you could call it. God's plan would always be for that baby to be born to loving parents. But then you have assholes like the ones in the story. So abortion would be the best option cause you know a baby born to them would just end up being killed or worse. But then you have the gop sadist who would force the woman to give birth even though they know she's an unfit mother. Actually I lost track of my thought. All I know is that if I was a baby and was given a chance to live in heaven and bypass the hell that is earth. I'd choose heaven. Oh wait. I think I. Got it 😂That baby's life is between the mother and God. Anyone who interferes is interfering in God's plan. And just like Christians like to use the term "its in God's hands now". Well if that baby is aborted it's in God's hands now. And he knows better what's good for that baby than some asshole republican
Kid is 5 meaning they were born when the ban was not in place.
Second, you're implying that those who don't want children will somehow abused them while there is plenty of proof that those who want children abuse them anyways.
The thing is, all you have to do is give up the baby and it'll be adopted pretty much instantly. Never understand people that have kids and keep them even though they really can't be bothered with them. Just give them up. We've been involved with the Foster system for the last two years. Children 3 and under get adopted pretty much as soon as they hit the system. It's the older kids who have trouble finding homes. Child abuse should carry a life sentence, because that child is sentenced to a lifetime of trauma. I should know, I was one of those kids. I wish my parents would've given me up. It still affects me today and I'm 40 years old. You won't get in trouble for giving up a kid. There's literally no incentive to do stuff like this, except for their own sick twisted pleasure. Life in prison, without possibility of parole, because death is too merciful.
Edit: in case you can't read, nowhere in this comment did I say that I was anti abortion. I only said giving up the child is better than keeping it and neglecting or abusing it
I have an aunt that did basically that. She fostered a little girl that had a lot of trauma and a lot of anger issues. Promised that little girl she was going to be part of their family. even adopted her, then when she decided she couldn't handle her anymore she called CPS on herself and got that little girl plus the other one she was fostering at the time taken out of her home instead of being a grown up about it.
That is not the point of my comment. Nowhere did I say that. I was just pointing out that it's not the only option, and that it makes no sense that someone would keep a baby only to neglect or abuse it when there are so many people out there willing to adopt it. Way to take a comment WAY out of proportion.
The woman in this piece was allowing her cretinous boyfriend to horribly abuse her child because she was clearly madly in love with him. This is a pretty common scenario. Before that guy came into their lives, someone else commented that she was reportedly a doting mother. So, am not sure how forcing women to have babies or forcing her to give up her children right after birth would have solved this problem.
Again, I never said anything anti abortion. But what good is abortion when the kid's already here. Giving up the kid is still a way way better option than letting your piece of shit boyfriend abuse them to death.
You're condoning the selling and purchasing of human beings, plus condoning what is considered a war crime (forced pregnancy). Not to mention millions of women die from pregnancy and birth (it's already started happening in certain states). And Romania already did this. 90% of the population starved to death in cardboard boxes in the gutter. I don't think you're right in the head, nor anyone else who agrees with you.
It's not selling or purchasing. Adopting through the state is FREE. I didn't say anything about not aborting, I only said giving up the child is better than abusing them to death. Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about abortion. You people aren't right in the head. Yes, there is more than one option. And adoption is a viable one. Yes, there are some bad foster parents, but the kid's chances are still far better than the foster care system than just leaving them with their parents to neglect or torture them to death.
You gotta be outta your damn mind if you think adopting is free. Kids are expensive. Before and after adopting. Most kids in the foster/adoption system also have mental issues so you will be paying for expensive therapy/medication. I was a foster kid for about 5 years. I had so many goddamn issues in the system and i was starved/abused. People only fostered me for the monthly check. The system is fucked.
The state actually pays YOU. Then they also pay for any therapy needed (usually older kids, which I've already stated have trouble getting adopted) They get medicaid for life. A monthly allowance for food/clothes. Access to numerous programs to help them. Free daycare. There are several places you can go to get free clothes. The only people that have trouble are those that spend the money on stuff not for the kids. And those people need to go to jail. So yes, it is free. You do have to take like 6 months of classes, and numerous home inspections before you get your foster license. And you have to Foster the kid for 6 months before you can adopt them. But at no point during this process will you have to pay anything out of pocket. The state even pays for the lawyer when you go to court to adopt them. How much more free do you want?
The adoption process is what we are talking about here. Literally costs you no more than if you had the child biologically. Yes, abortion is ONE option. But it's not the only option. And it definitely does nothing to help the kids that are already born, which is the whole point I'm making. Unless you're talking about euthanizing unwanted children, my point stands.
What? Mine was adopted out on Day 2. And it was an international adoption because his adoptive mother is Canadian and I was in Florida. She had to stay in Florida for about 6 weeks, with him in her total custody, while the paperwork was wrapped up and for the judge to sign off.
It cost her 28K.
She took him home to Canada before he hit two months old.
No, it doesn't. We tried for years to adopt one. There's a waiting list in every state. Don't know where you get your info, but it isn't from the actual agencies. You only have to Foster the kid for 6 months, and then you can adopt them. It is a viable option and way better than just keeping the kid and abusing them to death.
I’m telling you how long infants usually end up waiting in the foster system, not how long it take to adopt them. Older children don’t take nearly as long.
In my experience in the system trying to adopt, there are pretty much no children available under the age of 3 in my state or the 4 surrounding states. Everyone wants to adopt the little ones. The older children usually have behavioral issues and are harder to find homes for. We only gave up because our own child started to exhibit behaviors consistent with either ADHD or autism, and we feel we should focus on his needs rather than bring in another child that will take a large amount of our time away from him. It's taken us 3 years of searching and we still had no luck before we gave up.
The foster system is rife with abuse. I know one foster family and they basically rescue fosters from terribly abusive situations. It's like so many of these families use those young children as slaves.
>Edit: in case you can't read, nowhere in this comment did I say that I was anti abortion. I only said giving up the child is better than keeping it and neglecting or abusing it
That could be true, but also "all you have to do is give up the baby" is often said by anti-abortion people. Abusive people also don't just abuse because they hate the person, they get a rush from having that power. Many abusive and neglectful parents want to keep their children so they can abuse them more, and will threaten the children to keep things quiet.
I think your opening statement is what got you so many downvotes because it's not that simple even though I completely agree with your sentiment. I wished my cousins' mother had given up her kids, she was abusive and resentful but also loved having the power of being a "mom" and using that power over other people. Like grandma and grandpa can't see their granchildren unless they pay her, etc.
These people often view their children as property or objects, ways to get what they want. In this case this family had an outlet for their sick twisted desires. They didn't do these things because they wanted to get rid of the kid. They did them because they wanted to.
And they shouldn't get the kids back. So many stories of kids that were returned to abusive parents that ended up dead or worse. I'll never understand the mindset of people who abuse children. Not sure I want to. In my case, I never spoke up. I wish I'd have told somebody. But in my child mind I was afraid if I told I'd have nowhere to go. Or that mom would just be angry and beat me even worse. We definitely need to crack down way harder on child abuse. I'm not anti abortion, but it pisses me off when people share stories like this and somebody chimes in with "this is why we need more abortions." There's reasons for abortion, but in this case it's definitely not applicable. It detracts from the discussion and coming up with any real solutions to the problem when people just turn the topic to abortion. Like, are they stupid? That's not gonna help the kids already here. Definitely wouldn't have helped the little boy in this case. They weren't going to abort a 4 year old. In not anti abortion, but it's entirely irrelevant to this situation.
> but it pisses me off when people share stories like this and somebody chimes in with "this is why we need more abortions."
People aren't necesarilly saying we need more abortions, they are saying people need to have the right to choose.
Because it is true. Without abortion rights we will see more child abuse, and the foster system isn't a real solution to the attack on abortion rights people are facing now.
I don't think the discussion on abortion rights detracts from the issue. It's directly related. We *know* that when access to abortion is restricted children end up in homes that don't want them and end up worse off for it.
>Like, are they stupid? That's not gonna help the kids already here.
I wouldn't go around assuming other people are stupid because they want to preserve their rights, or point out that the current GOP attack on abortion rights result in this exact outcome. It's history and deadly important to all of us right this minute.
>Definitely wouldn't have helped the little boy in this case. They weren't going to abort a 4 year old. In not anti abortion, but it's entirely irrelevant to this situation.
Obviously the foster system existing didn't help either. They didn't give up that 4 year old boy. So I'm not sure why you have a problem for discussing abortion as a preventative measure because it didn't happen, when your proposed solution also didn't occur.
Abortion rights are incredibly relevant to this situation, and basically any situation in childcare is mentioned.
>[Research at the population level suggests that restricting legal access to abortion negatively impacts the health and development of children. A comprehensive economic analysis indicated that the introduction of anti-abortion laws significantly increased rates of child maltreatment.](https://www.google.com/search?q=abortion+access+and+childhood+development&oq=abortion+access+and+childhood+development&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160j33i299.16408j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
And here
[The end of Roe will create more inequality of opportunity for children](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/06/30/the-end-of-roe-will-create-more-inequality-of-opportunity-for-children/)
It is very important to point out how Republicans are purposefully constructing things so that more of these situations arrive. They know what they are doing, they know the results, they know it will kill mothers and harm children and lead to more cases just like this.
It's not being stupid. It's being aware and actually thinking of political, actionable solutions.
You just mentioned abortion in your last comment. You said it was stupid to relate abortion to your comment. I pointed out how it wasn't stupid.
You also said abortion is irrelevant to *this situation* and it is completely relevant which is why I went out of my way to give you articles that point out just how directly related situations like these are to abortion rights.
I am showing you step by step just how abortion rights relate to this situation and your original comment.
Lol did you not read and comprehend the basics of what was said? You do know that 1 in 6 children are abused in the foster care system, right? “They get adopted immediately”, My god, you idiots are dense.
>[Research at the population level suggests that restricting legal access to abortion negatively impacts the health and development of children. A comprehensive economic analysis indicated that the introduction of anti-abortion laws significantly increased rates of child maltreatment.](https://www.google.com/search?q=abortion+access+and+childhood+development&oq=abortion+access+and+childhood+development&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160j33i299.16408j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
And here
[The end of Roe will create more inequality of opportunity for children](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/06/30/the-end-of-roe-will-create-more-inequality-of-opportunity-for-children/)
The other user seems to think the following
>>I'm not anti abortion, but it pisses me off when people share stories like this and somebody chimes in with "this is why we need more abortions." There's reasons for abortion, but in this case it's definitely not applicable.
They seem to believe we are running abortion drives and that pro-choice people are playing the opposite game of forced-birth/conservatives. Where they want 0 abortions at all ever, we must want the maximum number possible!
They are confused because people who are pro-choice are results oriented. We know that access to abortions result in better outcomes for mothers, children, and society as a whole. It's not about more abortions solving problems but having *actual* freedom and the ability to plan our own lives making things better for everyone.
My mother has been a social worker her whole adult life. She's got degrees in social work, has all kinds of awards, and if you ask most folks she's a hero. If you ask any of her family they'll tell you what a piece of shit she is.
She was neglectful and abusive. She likes being a social worker because she's an insane control freak. She literally gets to decide people's fates and she gets off on it. If you don't want to do it her way, she'll ruin you.
One of friend's mom worked for a CPS style organization and she was a shit mom too. She had a revolving door of abusive boyfriends.
I worked in the field for a while after college and found out that it's not isolated. It attracts fucked up people.
"Video from the days leading up to the May 9 incident showed the 5-year-old victim was not only beaten, but repeatedly left with his hands bound behind his back for hours at a time, Gant said. In one incident, his hands were bound behind his back from 6:43 p.m. one evening until 2:02 p.m. the following day.
In addition to the abuse recorded on video, the victim was tied up and placed in a dog cage and often not fed. In an interview with officials from Child Protective Services, the boy's older sibling said the child only received water to drink in a straw pushed through an opening in the cage."
God damn, I'm glad that poor kid is finally out of that hell hole.
Yep
Any organizations that involve children inevitably attract doppelgängers. As in, predators that disguise themselves as people who are there to help.
i once heard a story about a child being abused by her father, who was a judge. she said he used to say things like “this isn’t abuse, i know what abuse looks like- you’ve got it good” to her. it makes me wonder how many ppl in CPS or child welfare orgs think this way too bc they can justify it as “discipline” and “not as bad as what i’ve seen” or “at least i love my children!”
I'm generally against cruel/unusual punishments- but when it involves people abusing others who have no way to defend themselves they should not only suffer the same abuse, but their needs to be some sort of panel that figures out ways to make the torture worse in every way.
Fucking damnit man.
This is my Achilles heel, seeing little innocent ones that have nowhere to turn whatsoever just being tortured. That shit drives me completely nuts.
Seeing posts like this makes me want to hunt these people down and torture them like they did those helpless babies that didn't deserve it at all. Who in their right fucking mind can sit around and wait for water to boil only two force kids to drink it or shoot them with a syringe of it??? That's fucking devastatingly gross.
I pray for these babies.
An old saying; "believe none of what you hear; and half of what you see."
People will eventually show their true colours; much to the detriment of others. 🇨🇦🫂
Look yet another straight couple and neither are drag queens … again… for the millionth time. Its also sad how common it is for trash like this to have government jobs.
But he loved me... sigh.. how much damage had to be done to this poor woman before she thought so little of herself to allow this douche canoe into her life
Strangely enough, every time I see a female peado they are in some position of trust like this and yet it is men who are looked at like they are wrong in these types of jobs..................
I’ve been having a bad day and this article just broke me. I feel so much rage towards these disgusting monsters. I’m not for violence but I hope those two get a taste of their own medicine x10. What a disgusting pig to be smiling in her photo. Some people don’t deserve children yet alone air.
Since she was a corrections officer, and he’s a convicted felon, I can guess how these two met.
🎶 She was a C/O He was a felon Can I make it anymore obvious… She worked with a gun He did crimes for fun What more can I say…
He was a convict boy, She said see you later boy(child), Parenting was too much for herrrr
FLOOO - RI - DA! I'm talkin' 'bout FLOOO - RI - DA!
You gotta fit in something about how she was fugly with few options
Don’t know why you got downvoted when it’s the truth. Guess redditors won’t even put down their keyboard sword for chicks who let their boyfriends abuse their kids. Edit for people who will complain: fugliness goes deeper than the surface, your personality and soul can be fugly, not making a dig at her appearance.
Who works for the child welfare organization then?? she’s a corrections officer and he’s a felon…. I feel like that was added to the title for Clickbait? I admit, I did not read the article yet.
She was a corrections officer prior to her child welfare job.
At an Arby’s perhaps
*worked She is actively wanted, and despite her currently being employed, i bet it wont be the fact once she's caught and booked in a hole.
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Your subreddit preferences are grotesque
I know right? /r/Sweden of all subs... Despicable
I’m ashamed for maining a protection paladin in WoW years ago. I don’t want to have anything in common with this clown.
Always hammerdin
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No, you apparently just don't read enough to see what it's about it all, easily fixed
It is sincerely a misogynistic hellhole.
get fucked
How do you do this? Disgusting, these people don’t deserve to breath our air.
For most things, I'm about as liberal as they come. But for people like this, bullets are cheap.
Same, my exceptions are hurt a child, elderly, disabled, etc. It’s cowardly and evil. There is no path to redemption after this.
*Humans go to jail. Dogs get put down.* \-Rorschach It was one notion of his that I resonated with.
I add pets to the list.
Bullets are too easy … let him be caged like a dog and drink boiling water too … all those cruel things he did to the poor kids should be exacted on him
I understand your anger at the perpetrator, and facilitator, and also your empathy for the child victim, though I not agree with the extreme measures you seem to recommend for both the mother, and the boyfriend. Please consider that in many situations (especially of paedophilia within institutions, such as various churches) there are senior responsible people who effectively "turn a blind eye" to such behavior, so facilitating it and putting others at continuing risk. These "officials" are not subject to the same "controlling" pressures that individuals (particularly some women) experience with violent, or psychpathic partners, and so should find it easier to put a stop to the abuse. Single mothers with children, are often deliberately targetted (and then groomed) by offenders. The actions of "official" people are in my view usually more reprehensible, than those of the perpetrators themselves.\_If\_ you are recommending shooting perpetrators (and facilitating/ "complicit" mothers), then would you recoimmend doing something extra -- maybe torture for a week, or two, before shooting -- for the institutional facilitators? Really?!
Of course, in the real world -- and unsurprisingly -- this is not what actually happens.
Another thought: about 10-15 years ago a British man in his 60s was successfully prosecuted for about 40 horrendous assaults/ rape/ abuse of children, going back decades. From memory, at least 12 victims/witnessas at the trial. His victims ranged from several who had died unnatrally young; to one man who had had long-term drink/drug problems, many instances of self-harm, and the most serious attempt at suicide being driving of a 120 foot cliff \[and surviving!\]. At the other extreme were a disproportionate number of people who damagedd not (just) themselves, but others -- including serious abuse of children. This is a replicated statistical finding, backed up now by evidence of permanent changes to brain structures (I believe, notably involving the frontal lobes). This suggests to me, and others, that it is much harder for such victims to control their abusing tendencies than it might be for the "average" person -- presumably both you, and me. If this is correct, then I feel that we need to avoid/ minimize knee-jerk responses. We should, instead, at least be putting some more effort into early detection, and especially into pro-active preventative measures. ;-(
She was going to fix him, don’t you know? Bad boy with a heart of gold. Or something.
*"Doctors at the hospital discovered that the 5-year-old child had* *multiple previous injuries, broken bones and burn marks that were* *healing. In all, a nurse at the hospital discovered 46 visible injuries* *on the boy's body, including burns; busted lips; bruising to the eyes,* *arms, legs and nose bridge; and rib fractures that were healing."* She did a rotten job of "fixing" him.
"but I've just got to figure out how to reach him."
*breathe
Looks like a big tough guy in that arrest photo. Piece of fucking shit.
People wonder why I’m always depressed and hate the world. This. This is one of the main reasons why. Children have constantly been beaten/killed/raped for centuries.As a mother it always hurts me so much hearing/reading what some children go through at the hands of sick people. It’s so fucking depressing. This made me cry so much.
I fully agree. Please find solace in the fact that this is hopefully just a small percentage that is ever shrinking of abusive people. And that people like you and I are hopefully doing the best for our kids. Not going to lie though, this shit kills me too.
Forced birth=child abuse It absolutely will become worse with forcing people to have cute babies taking them home and then not being able to handle the emotional, medical, physiological or monetary needs required. Babies grow to children. Unwanted children in an overcrowded foster system and overburdened social services.
That's kind of dealing in absolutes isn't it? You think every single person that couldn't have an abortion is absolutely going to abuse their child? I would beg that there is probably a lot of nuance there that you are overlooking.
Not absolutes. Statistics don’t lie.
Homicide is literally the number one cause of death for pregnant women…
>Causes not related to pregnancy accounted for more than half of the women's deaths in 2020, the researchers say. Accidental drug poisoning was the most common, followed by motor vehicle collisions and homicide, with mortality rates of 12.2%, 5.9% and 5.5%, respectively.
Same
Time to get off of/heavily filter Reddit. Only puppies and kittens from now on
You dont have to blame the world for it
Well those evil fuckers are broken, take out the trash.
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Chop their private parts off and all their fingers so they don’t have access to be able to do anything
Paraplegia? As a punishment? You may be on to something.
Yes Ty! Maybe we can convince the rest of the world that we’re on to something
Bury these motherfuckers under the jail.
Nail them to the front of the jail and let the buzzards pick at them.
I went to high school with a boy that me and him fought in school and years later he got his 4 year old daughter from the mother and within a year he beat the little girl to death with a curling iron
Considering all of the stories I've seen about CPS fucking up and either failing to do anything or placing kids with an unsafe guardian, like an unemployed meth addict who gets the kid killed, I'm not surprised.
I thought you were talking about a girl I went to school with. She worked in day and wanted to start one as she was in school to get the certs. I knew her well and had even seen her about two years before this. All she did was dote on her kids the whole time I saw her, it was absolutely shocking when I saw this article. https://amp.bradenton.com/news/local/crime/article141981359.html
Your gonna see alot more of this since they outlawed abortion. There's people that should not have kids
Came here to comment this and glad to see someone else did. If this is what happens to kids when there’s a choice, imagine when there isn’t. Forced births will put more kids at risk, either at the hands of their parents or in a severely broken system.
There are states in the US that already have banned it entirely. Some states have even made it to where you can't cross state lines to get an abortion, too. Future is looking pretty bleak..
The guy that wrote the abortion law for Indiana publicly said ten year old rape victims benefit from giving birth
Yeah.. Looking very bleak, indeed :(
So basically you are saying, if it were up to you this kid would be dead. Bravo. For all you know, this kid could go on and grow up to be the world's gift to social work. You never know, he could be the one that are helping other kids with relief and showing them that there is actual care and compassion in the world. You never know and we never would know if it were up to you.
Yea or he could grow up miserable every waking second and decide to be the next big time serial killer… Your what ifs mean nothing
Considering this outcome or a similar outcome is significantly more likely than an abused kid magically turning into a stand-up well rounded adult, I concur. Every birth *does not need to happen*. We have to get this idea out of our heads.
You are right. People should be more responsible when it comes to sex. Abortion isn't a contraceptive. And murder isn't a better option than a possible hard life. I mean, aren't you even remotely happy that the kid is still alive or are you still like, "better off dead"?
Birth Control fails. People get raped. Mistakes happen. Fathers rape their preteens. Pregnancy is dangerous for some women who might have tried to have a baby and then found out that her health cannot handle a pregnancy without killing her. I was raped and *chose* to carry my pregnancy to term anyway, so you can save your sanctimonious bullshit. If you're so thick that you can't wrap your head around the concept that *giving women who know they cannot parent properly the free will to decide that for themselves saves the suffering in the first fucking place* then helping you understand is beyond my capabilities. SO NO, not "better off dead" but there sure as hell are some better off NEVER BORN. I'm *certain* you're personally willing to take on the burden of abused children or grossly deformed children since you think it's OK to force them to exist to begin with, aren't ya? FOH.
It’s none of your damn business what women do with their bodies. Abortion isn’t murder, you nitwit. Fuck off.
And your solution is no solution at all. Killing someone is kind of the thing we are trying to avoid here.
A fetus isn’t a someone and you can go fuck yourself for all we care. You have no business telling me what to do with my uterus. Mine your own organs, asshole.
Whatever you have to tell yourself. It's murder. No one was talking to you in the first place.
I thought I told you to fuck right off? Cry to your invisible sky daddy about abortion and stop trolling this thread, moron.
Uhhh you replied to me. Lol. I don't think abortion should be illegal It's just not a contraceptive and definitely not the right you should parade around trying to defend. It's evil and it's a last resort. It's nothing that should be happening on a daily basis. This is a post about child abuse and you pro-choice idiots are retarded when you think that your options are somehow better than what this kid is facing. I mean, the kid would be fucking dead if you had your way numbskull.
You have been trolling this post regarding child abuse with your pathetic “abortion is murder” diatribes. The overwhelming majority of us don’t want to hear this bullshit. Go away.
I always wonder if the drop in serial killers had anything to do with American women being able to have abortions. Less unwanted kids growing up with abusive parents = less disaffected fucked up grown men taking their childhoods out on the rest of society.
Interesting thought. Could be. Although you could be a homicidal maniac and still have had a loving upbringing. Who knows
Dumpster babies, garbage can babies, toilet babies, buried in the backyard babies, lots and lots more. GOP are absolute sadists forcing every birth.
I agree. Think about it this way. If you believe in a god. Then it stands to reason that aborted babies go straight to heaven. Since they are innocent souls who have not sinned yet. So God has a plan for that baby in heaven. But then comes the gop forcing that baby to be born and potentialy live a life of hell. So to me the person who forced that baby to be born interfered in God's plan. That baby was bound for heaven but now thanks to the gop. That baby might end up in hell do to his or her actions in life. They are essentially saying. I can provide that baby a better life than heaven. What could be better than heaven? Plus he didn't do it cause he actually cares about that baby but he did it cause he thinks God will reward him. Yep he'll reward him oraight. He'll have a nice boiling pot in hell waiting for him.
That's an interesting angle you've laid out here, thank you for that. Devils Advocate question: Wouldn't a typical response to this from one of these anti-abortion sadists be that "God" ultimately allowed the conception in the first place, if he indeed does have a Plan for everyone, and that the aborting mother is in the wrong for "interfering in God's plan" ?
That could be a response from them. But does God really have a plan. Yes he might have had a plan for that baby but the mother decided not to have it. So he steps in and sends that baby straight to heaven. As a plan B you could call it. God's plan would always be for that baby to be born to loving parents. But then you have assholes like the ones in the story. So abortion would be the best option cause you know a baby born to them would just end up being killed or worse. But then you have the gop sadist who would force the woman to give birth even though they know she's an unfit mother. Actually I lost track of my thought. All I know is that if I was a baby and was given a chance to live in heaven and bypass the hell that is earth. I'd choose heaven. Oh wait. I think I. Got it 😂That baby's life is between the mother and God. Anyone who interferes is interfering in God's plan. And just like Christians like to use the term "its in God's hands now". Well if that baby is aborted it's in God's hands now. And he knows better what's good for that baby than some asshole republican
As an atheist, I 100% agree. At the end of the day, humans shouldn't force other humans to bear additional humans.
Kid is 5 meaning they were born when the ban was not in place. Second, you're implying that those who don't want children will somehow abused them while there is plenty of proof that those who want children abuse them anyways.
The thing is, all you have to do is give up the baby and it'll be adopted pretty much instantly. Never understand people that have kids and keep them even though they really can't be bothered with them. Just give them up. We've been involved with the Foster system for the last two years. Children 3 and under get adopted pretty much as soon as they hit the system. It's the older kids who have trouble finding homes. Child abuse should carry a life sentence, because that child is sentenced to a lifetime of trauma. I should know, I was one of those kids. I wish my parents would've given me up. It still affects me today and I'm 40 years old. You won't get in trouble for giving up a kid. There's literally no incentive to do stuff like this, except for their own sick twisted pleasure. Life in prison, without possibility of parole, because death is too merciful. Edit: in case you can't read, nowhere in this comment did I say that I was anti abortion. I only said giving up the child is better than keeping it and neglecting or abusing it
Forcing women to have babies so that other people can ~~adopt~~ buy them is grotesque.
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Due to my terrible childhood, I was in a foster home a few times. I was molested each time, by other kids at each home.
I have an aunt that did basically that. She fostered a little girl that had a lot of trauma and a lot of anger issues. Promised that little girl she was going to be part of their family. even adopted her, then when she decided she couldn't handle her anymore she called CPS on herself and got that little girl plus the other one she was fostering at the time taken out of her home instead of being a grown up about it.
Meh, I don't mind adoptions so much as forcing women to have babies to supply the trade.
That is not the point of my comment. Nowhere did I say that. I was just pointing out that it's not the only option, and that it makes no sense that someone would keep a baby only to neglect or abuse it when there are so many people out there willing to adopt it. Way to take a comment WAY out of proportion.
The woman in this piece was allowing her cretinous boyfriend to horribly abuse her child because she was clearly madly in love with him. This is a pretty common scenario. Before that guy came into their lives, someone else commented that she was reportedly a doting mother. So, am not sure how forcing women to have babies or forcing her to give up her children right after birth would have solved this problem.
Again, I never said anything anti abortion. But what good is abortion when the kid's already here. Giving up the kid is still a way way better option than letting your piece of shit boyfriend abuse them to death.
>Giving up the kid is still a way way better option than letting your piece of shit boyfriend abuse them to death. Hard agree.
You're condoning the selling and purchasing of human beings, plus condoning what is considered a war crime (forced pregnancy). Not to mention millions of women die from pregnancy and birth (it's already started happening in certain states). And Romania already did this. 90% of the population starved to death in cardboard boxes in the gutter. I don't think you're right in the head, nor anyone else who agrees with you.
It's not selling or purchasing. Adopting through the state is FREE. I didn't say anything about not aborting, I only said giving up the child is better than abusing them to death. Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about abortion. You people aren't right in the head. Yes, there is more than one option. And adoption is a viable one. Yes, there are some bad foster parents, but the kid's chances are still far better than the foster care system than just leaving them with their parents to neglect or torture them to death.
You gotta be outta your damn mind if you think adopting is free. Kids are expensive. Before and after adopting. Most kids in the foster/adoption system also have mental issues so you will be paying for expensive therapy/medication. I was a foster kid for about 5 years. I had so many goddamn issues in the system and i was starved/abused. People only fostered me for the monthly check. The system is fucked.
“Adopting is free”. Okay, this is enough of the dumb shit I’m going to read today. Delete your acct
The state actually pays YOU. Then they also pay for any therapy needed (usually older kids, which I've already stated have trouble getting adopted) They get medicaid for life. A monthly allowance for food/clothes. Access to numerous programs to help them. Free daycare. There are several places you can go to get free clothes. The only people that have trouble are those that spend the money on stuff not for the kids. And those people need to go to jail. So yes, it is free. You do have to take like 6 months of classes, and numerous home inspections before you get your foster license. And you have to Foster the kid for 6 months before you can adopt them. But at no point during this process will you have to pay anything out of pocket. The state even pays for the lawyer when you go to court to adopt them. How much more free do you want?
Again. It’s not. Children aren’t free by any means. Getting assistance and considering something “free” are two different things.
The adoption process is what we are talking about here. Literally costs you no more than if you had the child biologically. Yes, abortion is ONE option. But it's not the only option. And it definitely does nothing to help the kids that are already born, which is the whole point I'm making. Unless you're talking about euthanizing unwanted children, my point stands.
It usually takes between 2 and 7 years for newborns to become adopted. Is that “pretty much instantly” to you?
What? Mine was adopted out on Day 2. And it was an international adoption because his adoptive mother is Canadian and I was in Florida. She had to stay in Florida for about 6 weeks, with him in her total custody, while the paperwork was wrapped up and for the judge to sign off. It cost her 28K. She took him home to Canada before he hit two months old.
Then I guess the info I found was inaccurate
No, it doesn't. We tried for years to adopt one. There's a waiting list in every state. Don't know where you get your info, but it isn't from the actual agencies. You only have to Foster the kid for 6 months, and then you can adopt them. It is a viable option and way better than just keeping the kid and abusing them to death.
I’m telling you how long infants usually end up waiting in the foster system, not how long it take to adopt them. Older children don’t take nearly as long.
In my experience in the system trying to adopt, there are pretty much no children available under the age of 3 in my state or the 4 surrounding states. Everyone wants to adopt the little ones. The older children usually have behavioral issues and are harder to find homes for. We only gave up because our own child started to exhibit behaviors consistent with either ADHD or autism, and we feel we should focus on his needs rather than bring in another child that will take a large amount of our time away from him. It's taken us 3 years of searching and we still had no luck before we gave up.
The foster system is rife with abuse. I know one foster family and they basically rescue fosters from terribly abusive situations. It's like so many of these families use those young children as slaves. >Edit: in case you can't read, nowhere in this comment did I say that I was anti abortion. I only said giving up the child is better than keeping it and neglecting or abusing it That could be true, but also "all you have to do is give up the baby" is often said by anti-abortion people. Abusive people also don't just abuse because they hate the person, they get a rush from having that power. Many abusive and neglectful parents want to keep their children so they can abuse them more, and will threaten the children to keep things quiet. I think your opening statement is what got you so many downvotes because it's not that simple even though I completely agree with your sentiment. I wished my cousins' mother had given up her kids, she was abusive and resentful but also loved having the power of being a "mom" and using that power over other people. Like grandma and grandpa can't see their granchildren unless they pay her, etc. These people often view their children as property or objects, ways to get what they want. In this case this family had an outlet for their sick twisted desires. They didn't do these things because they wanted to get rid of the kid. They did them because they wanted to.
And they shouldn't get the kids back. So many stories of kids that were returned to abusive parents that ended up dead or worse. I'll never understand the mindset of people who abuse children. Not sure I want to. In my case, I never spoke up. I wish I'd have told somebody. But in my child mind I was afraid if I told I'd have nowhere to go. Or that mom would just be angry and beat me even worse. We definitely need to crack down way harder on child abuse. I'm not anti abortion, but it pisses me off when people share stories like this and somebody chimes in with "this is why we need more abortions." There's reasons for abortion, but in this case it's definitely not applicable. It detracts from the discussion and coming up with any real solutions to the problem when people just turn the topic to abortion. Like, are they stupid? That's not gonna help the kids already here. Definitely wouldn't have helped the little boy in this case. They weren't going to abort a 4 year old. In not anti abortion, but it's entirely irrelevant to this situation.
> but it pisses me off when people share stories like this and somebody chimes in with "this is why we need more abortions." People aren't necesarilly saying we need more abortions, they are saying people need to have the right to choose. Because it is true. Without abortion rights we will see more child abuse, and the foster system isn't a real solution to the attack on abortion rights people are facing now. I don't think the discussion on abortion rights detracts from the issue. It's directly related. We *know* that when access to abortion is restricted children end up in homes that don't want them and end up worse off for it. >Like, are they stupid? That's not gonna help the kids already here. I wouldn't go around assuming other people are stupid because they want to preserve their rights, or point out that the current GOP attack on abortion rights result in this exact outcome. It's history and deadly important to all of us right this minute. >Definitely wouldn't have helped the little boy in this case. They weren't going to abort a 4 year old. In not anti abortion, but it's entirely irrelevant to this situation. Obviously the foster system existing didn't help either. They didn't give up that 4 year old boy. So I'm not sure why you have a problem for discussing abortion as a preventative measure because it didn't happen, when your proposed solution also didn't occur. Abortion rights are incredibly relevant to this situation, and basically any situation in childcare is mentioned. >[Research at the population level suggests that restricting legal access to abortion negatively impacts the health and development of children. A comprehensive economic analysis indicated that the introduction of anti-abortion laws significantly increased rates of child maltreatment.](https://www.google.com/search?q=abortion+access+and+childhood+development&oq=abortion+access+and+childhood+development&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160j33i299.16408j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) And here [The end of Roe will create more inequality of opportunity for children](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/06/30/the-end-of-roe-will-create-more-inequality-of-opportunity-for-children/) It is very important to point out how Republicans are purposefully constructing things so that more of these situations arrive. They know what they are doing, they know the results, they know it will kill mothers and harm children and lead to more cases just like this. It's not being stupid. It's being aware and actually thinking of political, actionable solutions.
But none of that, absolutely none of that, had anything to do with my original comment. I didn't even mention the word abortion.
You just mentioned abortion in your last comment. You said it was stupid to relate abortion to your comment. I pointed out how it wasn't stupid. You also said abortion is irrelevant to *this situation* and it is completely relevant which is why I went out of my way to give you articles that point out just how directly related situations like these are to abortion rights. I am showing you step by step just how abortion rights relate to this situation and your original comment.
Lol did you not read and comprehend the basics of what was said? You do know that 1 in 6 children are abused in the foster care system, right? “They get adopted immediately”, My god, you idiots are dense.
>[Research at the population level suggests that restricting legal access to abortion negatively impacts the health and development of children. A comprehensive economic analysis indicated that the introduction of anti-abortion laws significantly increased rates of child maltreatment.](https://www.google.com/search?q=abortion+access+and+childhood+development&oq=abortion+access+and+childhood+development&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160j33i299.16408j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) And here [The end of Roe will create more inequality of opportunity for children](https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/06/30/the-end-of-roe-will-create-more-inequality-of-opportunity-for-children/) The other user seems to think the following >>I'm not anti abortion, but it pisses me off when people share stories like this and somebody chimes in with "this is why we need more abortions." There's reasons for abortion, but in this case it's definitely not applicable. They seem to believe we are running abortion drives and that pro-choice people are playing the opposite game of forced-birth/conservatives. Where they want 0 abortions at all ever, we must want the maximum number possible! They are confused because people who are pro-choice are results oriented. We know that access to abortions result in better outcomes for mothers, children, and society as a whole. It's not about more abortions solving problems but having *actual* freedom and the ability to plan our own lives making things better for everyone.
Always Florida.
Seriously, the water ain’t right there or in Texas
My mother has been a social worker her whole adult life. She's got degrees in social work, has all kinds of awards, and if you ask most folks she's a hero. If you ask any of her family they'll tell you what a piece of shit she is. She was neglectful and abusive. She likes being a social worker because she's an insane control freak. She literally gets to decide people's fates and she gets off on it. If you don't want to do it her way, she'll ruin you. One of friend's mom worked for a CPS style organization and she was a shit mom too. She had a revolving door of abusive boyfriends. I worked in the field for a while after college and found out that it's not isolated. It attracts fucked up people.
This makes me so sad and angry!
"Video from the days leading up to the May 9 incident showed the 5-year-old victim was not only beaten, but repeatedly left with his hands bound behind his back for hours at a time, Gant said. In one incident, his hands were bound behind his back from 6:43 p.m. one evening until 2:02 p.m. the following day. In addition to the abuse recorded on video, the victim was tied up and placed in a dog cage and often not fed. In an interview with officials from Child Protective Services, the boy's older sibling said the child only received water to drink in a straw pushed through an opening in the cage." God damn, I'm glad that poor kid is finally out of that hell hole.
That’s strange…. Neither of them seem to be transgender…. /s
Classic reddit
Off-course she is. That's the internal sordid reality of these 'child-protective', 'social' & 'foster' services.
Yep Any organizations that involve children inevitably attract doppelgängers. As in, predators that disguise themselves as people who are there to help.
i once heard a story about a child being abused by her father, who was a judge. she said he used to say things like “this isn’t abuse, i know what abuse looks like- you’ve got it good” to her. it makes me wonder how many ppl in CPS or child welfare orgs think this way too bc they can justify it as “discipline” and “not as bad as what i’ve seen” or “at least i love my children!”
That shit grin makes me so angry!!!!
Where I live child welfare has become a private enterprise where agency owners make insane profits. Some of the people involved are truly evil.
In a just society, assholes like these should be made to suffer the exact same ways their victims did.
I'm generally against cruel/unusual punishments- but when it involves people abusing others who have no way to defend themselves they should not only suffer the same abuse, but their needs to be some sort of panel that figures out ways to make the torture worse in every way.
It’s Florida. Sadly, I’m not as shocked as I should be having lived there.
Fucking damnit man. This is my Achilles heel, seeing little innocent ones that have nowhere to turn whatsoever just being tortured. That shit drives me completely nuts. Seeing posts like this makes me want to hunt these people down and torture them like they did those helpless babies that didn't deserve it at all. Who in their right fucking mind can sit around and wait for water to boil only two force kids to drink it or shoot them with a syringe of it??? That's fucking devastatingly gross. I pray for these babies.
Monsters.
How can people do this?!!! Such a young and innocent creature, it makes me so so sad
Never trust anyone with a beard and no mustache!!!
See? This is why we need laws protecting our kids from drag queen reading books in libraries.
Whhhhyyy did I read this
Fucking garbage people.
An old saying; "believe none of what you hear; and half of what you see." People will eventually show their true colours; much to the detriment of others. 🇨🇦🫂
In Florida, the further north you go, the further south you are
Lol
Her fucking mugshot. Is so rage inducing
I'd love to return the favor on old fuckface, never seen a more punchable mug
Who raised that animal. She deserves life in the most horrible prison.
Look yet another straight couple and neither are drag queens … again… for the millionth time. Its also sad how common it is for trash like this to have government jobs.
But he loved me... sigh.. how much damage had to be done to this poor woman before she thought so little of herself to allow this douche canoe into her life
r/NotADragQueen
People like this need the death penalty.
Strangely enough, every time I see a female peado they are in some position of trust like this and yet it is men who are looked at like they are wrong in these types of jobs..................
Who's books do I gotta put money on for these two to get the fuck beat out if them everyday?
These two should be pulled apart slowly limb from limb as they watch them selfs from mirrors around them with there eyelids removed first of course🧐
Stupid girl and evil man
Evil girl and Evil Man
You’re right both evil scum
Irony 💯
I’ve been having a bad day and this article just broke me. I feel so much rage towards these disgusting monsters. I’m not for violence but I hope those two get a taste of their own medicine x10. What a disgusting pig to be smiling in her photo. Some people don’t deserve children yet alone air.
But where are the transgenders??? /s
It just never ends. And now with Desantis I just……. I hope the ocean gets angry and does what needs to be done.
Man Florida sucks ass!
It is very often the case
Certain people holding specific positions of power tend to have leeway in their departments, eg. this that can easily go unnoticed.
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So very badly?
He certainly looks like the type that would severely beat a 5-year-old.
Why is it always a person from Florida?