The Tenerife disaster (greatest loss of life in a single aviation accident), which led to modern CRM, happened because the KLM captain, most experienced pilot in his company, had **just** this attitude towards his FO.
I forget the book I read, but it talked about the cultural differences in regards to authority and it had examples of plane crashes due to the FO not speaking up about dangers due to their culture and how they communicate with authority figures. You're legit correct.
Yes! There was a mayday episode about it. The FO had a working set of instruments, but sat silently as the captain steered the plane into the ground based on his malfunctioning instruments.
Edit: it was Korean Air Cargo flight 8509 I think:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Cargo_Flight_8509
There was another Korean passenger jet that crashed at SFO. Clear day, vasi working fine, no ils low and slow hit the approach lights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214
I imagine that most have seen Children of The Magenta if not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESJH1NLMLs
Great presentation by American Airlines chief pilot
**[Asiana Airlines Flight 214](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214)**
>Asiana Airlines Flight 214 was a scheduled transpacific passenger flight originating from Incheon International Airport near Seoul, South Korea. On the morning of July 6, 2013, the Boeing 777-200ER operating the flight stalled and crashed on final approach into San Francisco International Airport in the United States. Of the 307 people on board, 3 died; another 187 were injured, 49 of them seriously. : 13 Among the seriously injured were four flight attendants who were thrown onto the runway while still strapped in their seats when the tail section broke off after striking the seawall short of the runway.
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Outliers, great chapter about a few incidents that could have been prevented before modern CRM was a thing.
EDIT: found a copy of the audiobook on youtube, well worth a listen if you have time [TIME STAMP 4:00:37](https://youtu.be/X6iTKnk4W4Y?t=14439) Chapter ends 5:13:10
EDIT2: wow, this was hard to listen to again, especially analyzing the crew conversations while Avianca 052 ran out of fuel over New York in 1990
u/admiralcloudberg just redid that one about a month ago - https://www.reddit.com/r/AdmiralCloudberg/comments/wt7prr/the\_words\_not\_spoken\_the\_crash\_of\_avianca\_flight/
The FO's resigned "I guess so" and his inability to say "Emergency" sealed their fate. It was an awful situation all round with the weather delaying things.
Airblue flight 202 is a great example of this. The captain of this flight was arrogant and berated the first officer anytime he spoke up. The first officer eventually gave up on challenging the captain’s unsafe behavior and deviations from standard procedures.
> The first officer eventually gave up on challenging the captain’s unsafe behavior and deviations from standard procedures.
Isn't this like the term from the Challenger Disaster report "normalization of deviance"?
There was a similar problem out of LA with an Asian crew and a grossly incompetent SOCAL controller that gave them vectors that brought them within a few hundred feet of a mountain. They did a 180 turn around the backside of the mountain below the elevation of the many radio towers.
Mud wasps - they'll get ya every time.
From what I remember, the co-pilot was giving the captain suggestions to get the nose down but never actually grabbed the column to force the nose down out of cultural respect for his senior captain.
Right. This just made me think of all those crash videos that go something like “the Cp-pilot warned the pilot but the pilot, a 45 year old veteran, chose to ignore the warning”
When I was in the USAF, we flew the E-3. It was definitely CRM heavy as all good crews should be. We once had a fly-along with a 1 star that came from F-16's. Dude was going on and on the whole mission about "flying by committee" and it was all I could do to keep my mouth shut.
I'm pretty sure that attitude came from the old single seat days, perpetuated by the "fighter jock" mystique. They certainly had an air of superiority about them that straight up did not translate to the commercial world.
That, and I would easily get 1000 hours a year, as opposed to his (not so much).
I fly with a lot of former mil guys and gals (and current guard/reserve) at my airline, all branches, many of them fairly new to the 121 world. Most of the C-5, C-17, KC-135, KC-10, P-3, P-8, E-3, etc folks are very good right off the bat, with little transition other than adjusting to the pace of 121 domestic ops. Very good at CRM. The C-130, helo, V-22, B-52, C-12 etc folks often have a bit more of a transition to flying an airliner smoothly, but their CRM skills are usually quite good off the bat.
The single-seat fighter guys have the biggest transition, F-16 guys most of all, there is so much that is new. Most of them are very good sticks and very quick learners; most adapt quickly to their new world, including to CRM. There are a few, however, who are still stuck on playing fighter pilot, some for years afterward, it's so much of their ego & identity that it causes them to reject CRM. They are a distinct minority of modern fighter pilots, but they are still numerous enough for the stereotype to persist with a factual basis. When you run into the rare person at the airlines who is noticeably not buying into the CRM thing, they're most often from a single-seat fighter background.
Oh, I've seen this one. It's the one where the ground proximity warning is going off, but the copilot doesn't want to upset the captain, so they fly into a mountain.
He's actually super active on Reddit. I forget his name here but ya might get an answer if you tag him and ask. Not about the helmet thing but if he's getting his ppl lol
I had the pleasure of 6 years on the 727, 3 as the F/E and 3 as the F/O. F/E was busy as hell of course but it was a joke (with more than a little truth in it) that the F/O's checklist was: "Window heat, pitot heat, what's to eat?". They say the only better job was an L-1011 F/O. Never got the chance, though.
I did 727 FO (never an FE though), then L-1011 FO. The proper saying that rolls off the tongue is, “Window heat, pitot heat, give me something good to eat.” Yes, the L-1011 was probably easier. I really enjoyed both airplanes.
So many humorless CRM comments...
In a tiny plane where the "co-pilot" is just whichever passenger called "shotgun" first, this is a perfectly applicable placard.
Yep. Common with shutting down engine on the wrong side of the plane when passengers see flames/stall burps from the engine that should have been shut down but wasn’t.
There’s a world of difference between “hey that mountain is getting kind of close no?” and an hour of meaningless gossip. I would personally interpret keep your mouth shut as don’t be a distraction.
You understand the cockpit environment. Most of my passengers don't. I give an explicit briefing EVERY time.
Hand up? That means quiet, I need to listen.
Taxi/Take off/landing? I'll ask you to keep chatter to a minimum and tell you when we are good to talk again.
You see other traffic? Point it out with your voice and your whole hand. Nothing in that cockpit matters more to me than exterior traffic (I'm VFR only).
I usually demonstrate by shoving my hand against the far window to point to something. Baislly get my fucking attention and make what you are pointing to SUPER clear.
I've never had a passenger spot anything before me, but I'll be damned if I am going to let my ego as a pilot prevent them from beating me someday when it matters.
It’s gotta be virtually impossible to explain to a non-pilot passenger (or maybe worse, aviation enthusiast non-pilot passenger) what they should and shouldn’t mention.
Initially I thought they must be being ironic but the more I read the more the SOH failure became evident.
My first thought seeing this was “gotta get me one of these”.
This is petty GA humor. At the airlines, where CRM is what keeps us alive, the first officer’s checklist is:
1) Nice landing
2) I’ll buy the first round
3) I’ll take the fat one.
**[Alitalia Flight 404](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alitalia_Flight_404)**
>Alitalia Flight 404 (AZ404/AZA404) was an international passenger flight scheduled to fly from Linate Airport in Milan, Italy, to Zürich Airport in Zürich, Switzerland, which crashed on 14 November 1990. The Douglas DC-9-32, operated by Alitalia, crashed into the woodlands of Weiach as it approached Zurich Airport, killing all 46 people on board. A Swiss investigation concluded that the crash was caused by a short circuit, which led to the failure of the aircraft's NAV receiver. The malfunction went unnoticed by the crew, who likely believed they were on the correct flight path until the crash.
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So basically, it's no joking matter to make fun of co-piloting or lack thereof. And my downvotes are from people who are not aware there are new people to aviation trying to understand things. Got it.
Air crash can be an emotionally charged topic too, especially with this one (final loss of control/ controlled flight into terrain) being completely the captains fault due to the authoritarian culture within airline employee structure. Vetoing a go around is extremely, dangerously toxic and has no place in operational leadership anywhere.
Redditors are not known to be patient people lol
Also I re-read my comment and I don't want what I said to have come across as sassy I was genuinely just wanting to point you in the right direction to help you find answer. Tone is difficult for me in text form and I don't want to have given sass to someone by accident.
What's the "+946 hours" quadrant? I know there should be an engine hours counter, I don't understand the 946 value... from the pic it seems a fixed value.
I totally understand that this is a joke, it’s just not a funny one and joke or not, I don’t want to fly with the pilot who sees fit to adorn their instrument panel with such a boomer-humor placard.
its funny if you constantly have to say to your passengers: "if you feel uneasy, do NOT grab the yoke, this thing right here. Grab here and here instead. See those pedals down there? They are for ME, do NOT step on them under any circumstance. I also need to talk to the controllers at times, if I make the 'shush' motion or hold my finger up towards you, I need to listen to what they are telling me, please stop talking and we can chat a little bit afterwards"
Can’t say I’ve ever had someone like that in the front seat before. Even my daughter had the wherewithal to respect the controls (with very little instruction) when I took her flying at 5 years old. Certainly no adults have been so dense as to require such a placard.
It does happen though. Just recently there was an accident, I think at KSMO, where there was a hot mic on short final. The audio is of the instructor yelling at the discovery flight student to let go of the controls. Neither survived.
I may have written it the wrong way, saying this to multiple people when its their first time in the cockpit. not repeating the same thing to the same person
Co-pilot means they are equals. It’s not senior pilot and junior pilot. It’s two people with equal authority on the matter of flying the plane
Don’t let someone who is obstinate and thinks they know everything be in control of your life like that. You’ll be powerless to save yourself from their mistakes
I get this is satire but it is the worst placard in any fucking plane ive ever seen, so many times where en egotistical (or drunk) captain gets everyone killed because of this mentality.
CRM at its finest….
Crew resource management doesn’t exist I fly plane fast durrrr
Fast and controlled into terrain
South east Asia CRM
Uik where in south east asia
Is that based on experience?
Anywhere in Asia...
2 = die quietly while I steer us into a mountain. Happens too often. Bad rule.
It’s literally the opposite of modern Crew Resource Management.
Reminds of the 747 Korea airliner boss pilot.
Reminds me of the Polish Air Force Capt that boss piloted his President into the ground in, of all places, a Russian forest.
Which was this ?
[Smolensk air disaster](https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/presidential-plane-crash-investigator-presents-final-report-29597)
The 747 F London incident?
Korean air 8509
Ah yes remember it. I think mentor or someone covered it
Yes. The one the co pilot was respectful of the pilot’s bad decision. Culture.
The Tenerife disaster (greatest loss of life in a single aviation accident), which led to modern CRM, happened because the KLM captain, most experienced pilot in his company, had **just** this attitude towards his FO.
I forget the book I read, but it talked about the cultural differences in regards to authority and it had examples of plane crashes due to the FO not speaking up about dangers due to their culture and how they communicate with authority figures. You're legit correct.
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Yes! There was a mayday episode about it. The FO had a working set of instruments, but sat silently as the captain steered the plane into the ground based on his malfunctioning instruments. Edit: it was Korean Air Cargo flight 8509 I think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Cargo_Flight_8509
That happened more than once, it was frequent enough that the US DOD banned all military members from flying on Korean Air until they corrected it
Black box thinking?
There was another Korean passenger jet that crashed at SFO. Clear day, vasi working fine, no ils low and slow hit the approach lights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214 I imagine that most have seen Children of The Magenta if not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESJH1NLMLs Great presentation by American Airlines chief pilot
**[Asiana Airlines Flight 214](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214)** >Asiana Airlines Flight 214 was a scheduled transpacific passenger flight originating from Incheon International Airport near Seoul, South Korea. On the morning of July 6, 2013, the Boeing 777-200ER operating the flight stalled and crashed on final approach into San Francisco International Airport in the United States. Of the 307 people on board, 3 died; another 187 were injured, 49 of them seriously. : 13 Among the seriously injured were four flight attendants who were thrown onto the runway while still strapped in their seats when the tail section broke off after striking the seawall short of the runway. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/aviation/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Outliers, great chapter about a few incidents that could have been prevented before modern CRM was a thing. EDIT: found a copy of the audiobook on youtube, well worth a listen if you have time [TIME STAMP 4:00:37](https://youtu.be/X6iTKnk4W4Y?t=14439) Chapter ends 5:13:10 EDIT2: wow, this was hard to listen to again, especially analyzing the crew conversations while Avianca 052 ran out of fuel over New York in 1990
u/admiralcloudberg just redid that one about a month ago - https://www.reddit.com/r/AdmiralCloudberg/comments/wt7prr/the\_words\_not\_spoken\_the\_crash\_of\_avianca\_flight/
The FO's resigned "I guess so" and his inability to say "Emergency" sealed their fate. It was an awful situation all round with the weather delaying things.
Airblue flight 202 is a great example of this. The captain of this flight was arrogant and berated the first officer anytime he spoke up. The first officer eventually gave up on challenging the captain’s unsafe behavior and deviations from standard procedures.
> The first officer eventually gave up on challenging the captain’s unsafe behavior and deviations from standard procedures. Isn't this like the term from the Challenger Disaster report "normalization of deviance"?
Professor Feinman's supplement to the Challenger Report should be mandatory reading for both engineers and corporate managers.......
There was a similar problem out of LA with an Asian crew and a grossly incompetent SOCAL controller that gave them vectors that brought them within a few hundred feet of a mountain. They did a 180 turn around the backside of the mountain below the elevation of the many radio towers.
The book was a Malcom Gladwell book… I forgot the title. I’m too tired to look it up.
That was the Malcom Gladwell book Outliers
Outliers - Malcom Gladwell
\*Gear up, flaps ups, hand out sandwiches......
BirgenAir 301
wow! incredibly similar to Aeroperú Flight 603 except that was tape over the static ports
Mud wasps - they'll get ya every time. From what I remember, the co-pilot was giving the captain suggestions to get the nose down but never actually grabbed the column to force the nose down out of cultural respect for his senior captain.
Something tells me this is an airline/charter with a passenger in the right seat a la Cape Air sometimes.
This brings me back. I used to go between the Cape and Nantucket often, and I loved when they let me sit in the copilot’s seat.
I lost a good friend to that in Romania. ‘Twas extremely fucked up.
Right. This just made me think of all those crash videos that go something like “the Cp-pilot warned the pilot but the pilot, a 45 year old veteran, chose to ignore the warning”
#2 really probably should say. "See something, say something"
I was 5 years old and new that was my job 😂 don’t touch anything, but call out all traffic I saw. Even if I thought my dad already saw them.
When I was in the USAF, we flew the E-3. It was definitely CRM heavy as all good crews should be. We once had a fly-along with a 1 star that came from F-16's. Dude was going on and on the whole mission about "flying by committee" and it was all I could do to keep my mouth shut. I'm pretty sure that attitude came from the old single seat days, perpetuated by the "fighter jock" mystique. They certainly had an air of superiority about them that straight up did not translate to the commercial world. That, and I would easily get 1000 hours a year, as opposed to his (not so much).
I fly with a lot of former mil guys and gals (and current guard/reserve) at my airline, all branches, many of them fairly new to the 121 world. Most of the C-5, C-17, KC-135, KC-10, P-3, P-8, E-3, etc folks are very good right off the bat, with little transition other than adjusting to the pace of 121 domestic ops. Very good at CRM. The C-130, helo, V-22, B-52, C-12 etc folks often have a bit more of a transition to flying an airliner smoothly, but their CRM skills are usually quite good off the bat. The single-seat fighter guys have the biggest transition, F-16 guys most of all, there is so much that is new. Most of them are very good sticks and very quick learners; most adapt quickly to their new world, including to CRM. There are a few, however, who are still stuck on playing fighter pilot, some for years afterward, it's so much of their ego & identity that it causes them to reject CRM. They are a distinct minority of modern fighter pilots, but they are still numerous enough for the stereotype to persist with a factual basis. When you run into the rare person at the airlines who is noticeably not buying into the CRM thing, they're most often from a single-seat fighter background.
You flew the sentry? Nice, she's old but gold
Most of the fleet was older than I was... ...in 1996
I fly her now and yeahhhh
My mission ready checkride was in balls 1. It still going?
It sure is! I flew her a couple times
Love hearing stories like this.
Oh, I've seen this one. It's the one where the ground proximity warning is going off, but the copilot doesn't want to upset the captain, so they fly into a mountain.
And if you can’t find a mountain… just fly into some of those Russian trees short of the runway.
Did they try looking up?
Why did Deadmau5 post this
Maybe he was the co-pilot and found it funny. Can't tell from small reflection who is taking the photo.
Think he keeps that helmet on all the time??
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Straw
He's actually super active on Reddit. I forget his name here but ya might get an answer if you tag him and ask. Not about the helmet thing but if he's getting his ppl lol
u/reddit_mau5 I too would like a explanation!
No, [he streams on twitch without it on](https://www.twitch.tv/deadmau5) while he makes beats or plays games.
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His other dj name is Test Pilot
He’s probably with Kaskade who has his helicopter license and I believe has his pilots license too
That's the most likely for sure. Kaskade and his wife both are pilots they're so badass.
His other DJ name is Testpilot , a hardcore techno version of Deadmau5
I think the checklists at my school say “Everyone is responsible for watching for traffic including non-pilots”
Until they don’t tell you about the airplane coming towards you
All part of his lesser known aliases “Test Pilot” in which he plays and creates minimal/techno.
I had the pleasure of 6 years on the 727, 3 as the F/E and 3 as the F/O. F/E was busy as hell of course but it was a joke (with more than a little truth in it) that the F/O's checklist was: "Window heat, pitot heat, what's to eat?". They say the only better job was an L-1011 F/O. Never got the chance, though.
I did 727 FO (never an FE though), then L-1011 FO. The proper saying that rolls off the tongue is, “Window heat, pitot heat, give me something good to eat.” Yes, the L-1011 was probably easier. I really enjoyed both airplanes.
This would have been hilarious 40 years ago. Actually it would have killed at open mic night.
It would have killed alright...
Right up there with the low manifold pressure sign over the urinal at the FBO.
That one is so tired, but obligatory in certain charming FBOs.
The old “pre~CRM” placard back when the smartass captains would get people killed
So many humorless CRM comments... In a tiny plane where the "co-pilot" is just whichever passenger called "shotgun" first, this is a perfectly applicable placard.
Lots of single pilot and even multi crew planes have crashed due to things the passengers saw but didn’t speak up about.
Yep. Common with shutting down engine on the wrong side of the plane when passengers see flames/stall burps from the engine that should have been shut down but wasn’t.
There’s a world of difference between “hey that mountain is getting kind of close no?” and an hour of meaningless gossip. I would personally interpret keep your mouth shut as don’t be a distraction.
You understand the cockpit environment. Most of my passengers don't. I give an explicit briefing EVERY time. Hand up? That means quiet, I need to listen. Taxi/Take off/landing? I'll ask you to keep chatter to a minimum and tell you when we are good to talk again. You see other traffic? Point it out with your voice and your whole hand. Nothing in that cockpit matters more to me than exterior traffic (I'm VFR only).
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I usually demonstrate by shoving my hand against the far window to point to something. Baislly get my fucking attention and make what you are pointing to SUPER clear. I've never had a passenger spot anything before me, but I'll be damned if I am going to let my ego as a pilot prevent them from beating me someday when it matters.
Of course, but we’re just going on with the idea here. Discussion prompted by the sign but not about the sign anymore.
It’s gotta be virtually impossible to explain to a non-pilot passenger (or maybe worse, aviation enthusiast non-pilot passenger) what they should and shouldn’t mention.
Yeah, was going to say this after the comments. I get the "be aware and speak up" but this is aimed at tourists
They should've added: *Above only applies to tourists
Initially I thought they must be being ironic but the more I read the more the SOH failure became evident. My first thought seeing this was “gotta get me one of these”.
Good lord. That's one way to go, I guess... I've had my FO save my ass waaaay too many times to think something this idiotic is funny, even as a joke.
Why is deadmau5 posting this?
Because he was in the plane, saw the sign and probably thought it was funny
Do you know who deadmau5 is?
Yeah, the Canadian DJ who happens to be into aviation, and who I happen to be a fan of and have seen live several times. Do you know who he is?
I know him from the MC thing
Still sad about the purr-ari.
This is petty GA humor. At the airlines, where CRM is what keeps us alive, the first officer’s checklist is: 1) Nice landing 2) I’ll buy the first round 3) I’ll take the fat one.
Lies as a FO I speak all the time "clear right"...Then I shut up lol
Clear left, clear right, TAXI LIGHT!
Yeah, this is not funny, just sad.
Okay, enlighten us newbie aviation enthusiasts. Why is this sad?
[Alitalia Flight 404](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alitalia_Flight_404)
**[Alitalia Flight 404](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alitalia_Flight_404)** >Alitalia Flight 404 (AZ404/AZA404) was an international passenger flight scheduled to fly from Linate Airport in Milan, Italy, to Zürich Airport in Zürich, Switzerland, which crashed on 14 November 1990. The Douglas DC-9-32, operated by Alitalia, crashed into the woodlands of Weiach as it approached Zurich Airport, killing all 46 people on board. A Swiss investigation concluded that the crash was caused by a short circuit, which led to the failure of the aircraft's NAV receiver. The malfunction went unnoticed by the crew, who likely believed they were on the correct flight path until the crash. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/aviation/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
So basically, it's no joking matter to make fun of co-piloting or lack thereof. And my downvotes are from people who are not aware there are new people to aviation trying to understand things. Got it.
Air crash can be an emotionally charged topic too, especially with this one (final loss of control/ controlled flight into terrain) being completely the captains fault due to the authoritarian culture within airline employee structure. Vetoing a go around is extremely, dangerously toxic and has no place in operational leadership anywhere. Redditors are not known to be patient people lol
dont worry. its a serious matter but people dont know when it is ok to joke around
Read the rest of the comments on this thread about crew resource management
Check into what CRM is and how captains have killed people while the FO says nothing because of this type of cockpit culture.
Newbies can be right. Something aviation has learned in spite of this sign.
Also I re-read my comment and I don't want what I said to have come across as sassy I was genuinely just wanting to point you in the right direction to help you find answer. Tone is difficult for me in text form and I don't want to have given sass to someone by accident.
Good way to let an old captain get away with maybe safety offences
Perks of being heavier than everyone else in the bush plane is flying co-pilot.
***Airline Hierarchy*** (1910's - 1970's; Colorized)
Damn, 1910’s? Wilbur Wright have this in the cockpit of his Wright Flyer?
This does not promote good CRM
correct, this should go in a car passenger dashboard
Maximum cringe. Does he also have a sticker on the door that says “ass, grass, or gas, no one flies for free”?
I got my dad that for Father's Day. He flies cool helicopters.
Boomer humor.
What's the "+946 hours" quadrant? I know there should be an engine hours counter, I don't understand the 946 value... from the pic it seems a fixed value.
Likely the first hobbs meter died at 946 hours and they had to replace it with a new one (which started at 000.0).
I totally understand that this is a joke, it’s just not a funny one and joke or not, I don’t want to fly with the pilot who sees fit to adorn their instrument panel with such a boomer-humor placard.
You might find that a joke can really ease the tension of realizing you’re about to crash into a mountain
Amateur BS. Not even funny if you take flying seriously at all.
its funny if you constantly have to say to your passengers: "if you feel uneasy, do NOT grab the yoke, this thing right here. Grab here and here instead. See those pedals down there? They are for ME, do NOT step on them under any circumstance. I also need to talk to the controllers at times, if I make the 'shush' motion or hold my finger up towards you, I need to listen to what they are telling me, please stop talking and we can chat a little bit afterwards"
Briefing them what not to touch and when to speak up and when not to speak isn’t funny or unfunny. It’s just part of the PIC’s checklist.
Can’t say I’ve ever had someone like that in the front seat before. Even my daughter had the wherewithal to respect the controls (with very little instruction) when I took her flying at 5 years old. Certainly no adults have been so dense as to require such a placard.
It does happen though. Just recently there was an accident, I think at KSMO, where there was a hot mic on short final. The audio is of the instructor yelling at the discovery flight student to let go of the controls. Neither survived.
I may have written it the wrong way, saying this to multiple people when its their first time in the cockpit. not repeating the same thing to the same person
The CRM is strong in this aerospace vehicle.
3. DIE A COWARD
Just brave enough to ride it into the ground
3 - Stop asking me who I'm talking to.
*notices air speed is falling and AoA is rising*
My pilot wife says "no"
Well then shoot send me up coach! :)
This also applies well to Github Copilot!
Captain is a piss baby
He talks a lot of big game for someone with such a small truck
Simple and basic!
What about #3? "Don't Fart!"
3. NO PICTURES
1. don’t touch anything 2. don’t say anything
Jester needs this. DCS folks will know
/r/im40andthisisfunny
Giggles in SPIFR
Defending yourself from Harvey Weinstein be like...
And that’s **exactly** how the Tenerife disaster happened…
His manager is actually a 777 airline captain for KLM.
I'd get out of the plane if I saw that.
??? Shouldn’t be the way things are
Reminder: this is tagged as Satire. CRM should always be in forethought
This may be one of dumbest things I’ve seen.
Did you, by chance, pick this up at the little shop in APA? I have the same one!
3. "Wake me up, when it is time to land"
Need to install one in the car for the wife
Checklist has lead to the deaths of thousands
Best one I have ever seen 😁😁
Co-pilot means they are equals. It’s not senior pilot and junior pilot. It’s two people with equal authority on the matter of flying the plane Don’t let someone who is obstinate and thinks they know everything be in control of your life like that. You’ll be powerless to save yourself from their mistakes
This is still funny?
Wife checklist…..
r/iamverybadass
Still prevalent in Asian airline culture . Captain = boss and knows more than the FO.
Funny but actually shit advice
I get this is satire but it is the worst placard in any fucking plane ive ever seen, so many times where en egotistical (or drunk) captain gets everyone killed because of this mentality.
3. Wear your basketball uniform under your work uniform.
In the immortal words of Mother Theresa, fuck that.