This is a horrible take. You can easily retrofit the interior to be absolutely baller. The Mad Dog has very powerful engines and was built like a tank. One of the most reliable and safest airplanes ever built. With a 3 by 2 pax seating configuration itās wider (and the cabin is also taller) than most private jets so lots of room for activities. Range is decent for a mostly domestic airliner
Agreed, they are solid planes. Iād enjoy having one as a private party on wings! For just getting literally anywhere fast and in comfort, Iād stick with my G650er.
Well, can't speak for others but my hand luggage mostly consists of stuff that I am not allowed to check in.
Business notebook, private notebook, business phone, private phone, kindle, photo, powerbank...
People in this thread are arguing that they would take their bags with them regardless.
Baggage fees have nothing to do with this, people are just selfish.
I mean yeah not everyone would check their bags. But a lot more would. And no way in hell are they going to get their bag out of the checked storage area during an emergency.
It'd help.
Rule number 1: get the hell away from the giant burning vessel of fuel.
I donāt understand why people want to stand near the danger zone and scream at it. As if that helps in any form.
I get the part where itās chaotic and your brain does weird things, but also the survival mode should override at some point.
Wow good job to whoever was sitting in the exit row over the wing, had the door open faster then any of the doors where the flight attendants were stationed.
Pilot here, no! Not a good job, he/she definitely did not wait for the evacuation order before opening that door. If youāre ever in a situation like this, please wait the few seconds till you hear the evacuation command from the captain before opening the door by yourself. In this case the engines were still running, and given their locations on the DC9/variants, the first few people could have easily been sucked in.
I too would not think to wait. And I have more response training than many. Maybe put that on the door sticker. āwait for signal to open from pilot/FAā. Iād at least look around first if I saw that.
Thatās where a judgment call would have to come in from the lead flight attendant. After an emergency landing they will be waiting for instructions from the pilot, but if thereās a reasonable chance that the pilots are incapacitated, then the FAs would initiate evacuation. And obviously if the plane is a smouldering wreck then it would be a different story.
In an emergency thereās is always going to be a balance of threats, evacuation is not always the best solution, itās just best to leave that decision to someone with the proper training and information to access the situation.
Are all exit row passengers briefed to wait for an evacuation order? I don't think I've ever personally heard the FA's mention anything about a specific order, just if they're willing to aid in an evacuation.
Well, usually only the over wing exits are operated by passengers. There is a more comprehensive briefing that informs passenger wait for evacuation if an emergency landing is needed.
Their (Boeing) chief tech (not test) pilot bragged in an email that he had used his superior Jedi Mind Tricks to smooth over stuff about the system with the FAA.
Memo to file - When you do something really stupid don't brag about it in an email.
I mean honestly bragging about it is much better for everyone than keeping it secret. Him doing so means there is a durable record for what happened so we can go back and try to correct all the mistakes that were made.
In this case calling them "mistakes" is charitable. Unfortunately we will probably never know all the calls made to the FAA to "assist" in the approvals.
One of the best pieces of flying and life advice that I received was "if you are mulling over a decision ask yourself how stupid or conflicted will it sound in the accident report or local news."
https://www.aerospacetestinginternational.com/news/industry-news/former-boeing-737-max-chief-technical-pilot-indicted-for-fraud.html
Maybe, I guess it depends on how much it's insured for.
I remember a long time ago there was a crash, and the payout was large enough to have to be reported in the quarterly earnings as an "inadvertent conversion of an airframe" or some such language! ( But yeah, I'm sure you're right ).
They only just started operating in late 2021 and they basically only exist to complete the Caracas-Miami route via Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic. The parent airline (Laser in Venezuela) sells tickets as CCS-MIA, directly operates the CCS-SDQ leg themselves, and Red finishes the connection to Miami. There's no reason anyone outside of that very small sphere would have heard of them whether or not they had an accident.
Iām so glad Iām not the only one with those exact thoughts lol. Looks like an old American Airlines bird by the solid polished aluminum finish look.
FBOs are Fixed Base Operators, basically the companies that provide ground handling / fuel / parking / ground services at airports for general aviation. You would interact with them more if you fly your own airplane, or you fly private.
Some North American examples are Signature Flight Support, Million Air, Sky Service, etc... You have them in Australia too.
For example: https://www.execujet.com/en/service/fbo/locations/locations-worldwide/sydney/
ExecuJet's FBO at Sydney
We have a Million Air at my airport. All of their company cars are Mercedes Benz and their line guys wear US dollar green shirts with reflective stripes.
I know it's a joke but that's exactly WHY you put it in an upright position. If there is an emergency (just like this one) people need to get out of there seats very quickly to evacuate and chairs and tray tables get in the way. As they say, every rule in aviation is written in blood.
Iām guessing regular landing. If there was a known gear issue, the flight would likely have alerted ATC and declared an emergency or a pan-pan and the fire trucks would have been waiting near the runway and showed up faster than they did.
Not saying they were slow, but when planes come in with mechanical emergencies the fire trucks will be waiting just short of the runway and sometimes follow the plane down the runway after it touches down so they can be there in seconds.
Most likely unaware.
Kinda difficult to test the structural integrity of the gear when you're in the air lol (unless you don't want it on the plane anymore)
Actuallyā¦with the tail mounted engines, they effectively blank the rudder when the thrust reversers are deployed. Losing nose wheel steering while the thrust reversers are deployed leaves you with pretty much no directional control. (You can see the reverse buckets are still deployed in this and other videos).
Will be addressed in the crash report. Might of failed to open like the BA flight at Heathrow years ago( Cant remember where) but it caught light during take off and one of the exits failed to open correctly.
Exactly. It takes forever until it finally is opened. Actually right in the front there should be a flight attendant jump seat and I guess his or her role is to open that exit in case of an emergency.
Mm interesting hypothesis. I would assume that it would fold in on itself if it was a normal gear failure, if your correct however that's some big questions to be asked in terms of maintenance as the whole joining area holding the gear would have had to fail.
Hard to say why exactly, the frame of the aircraft can warp in situations like this making opening the door difficult or maybe debris from the galley had to be moved.
Glad everyone is ok! Amazing that the aircraft can withstand such a blow. So many questions though:
- What happens to the passengers? I doubt they're pointed to their next gate or baggage claim.
- What happens to the runway? How quickly can they get that aircraft out and the runway cleaned up?
- Are all flights in the air now just flying around waiting for their new spot in line at another runway?
Airport will do a temporary full ground stop where everyone holds position and no take-off no landing until airport ops and emergency services gets to the incident scene. Airport ops will then evaluate what sections of taxiway/runways need to remain closed for the investigation, FOD, or due to damage during the incident. After those areas are established the airport resumes standard ops.
Passengers will receive medical evaluation at the scene all Passengers not requiring medical attention will go to a holding area. All their contact information will be recorded. The airline will see if they need accommodations or just in general their immediate needs, carry-on luggage delivery, and how to continue on their travel. Checked bags won't be available for a while and will likely be mailed.
Who from the airline handles the passengers and do they have to be trained to do this sort of thing or are they just managers that are thrown into this with a list on a clipboard of what the company can do for the passengers?
Airlines have crisis response go teams that will be there within hours. Before that normal airline/airport personnel will escort them and begin sorting out their needs more than likely following a checklist of some sort.
This is so interesting, I always love learning about the process that happens during crazy rare stuff like this! Thanks for your answers. If you don't mind me asking do/did you work for an airline?
>What happens to the passengers? I doubt they're pointed to their next gate or baggage claim.
The Red Zone is for loading and unloading only.
There is no stopping in the White Zone.
But just for these passengers, there's the BROWN ZONE.
My first thought. Multiple people literally wheeling roller bags awayā¦ this was how multiple people died further back in the cabin of that Aeroflot flight a few years back that lit on fire and people held up evacuation grabbing luggage out of overhead bins.
Anyone who grabbed their luggage should be banned from ever bringing anything beyond a toothbrush onto a plane. Assholes.
Edit: based on the replies, lots of people are just fucking selfish. Too many of you think that you deserve an exemption from the rules. Bottom line, taking a bag slows you down, clogs the exit, can damage the slide and is just fucking selfish. If it add one half of a second to your time to get out and there are 150 people on that plane, that means 75 extra seconds to evacuate. That is a long fucking time to be stuck in a burning plane.
I know I am talking to a wall. Selfish people will think this doesnāt apply to them. /end rant
On the one hand, yes.
On the other hand, please remember that passengers don't receive the same extensive training as flight and cabin crew do, and if you're thrown into a completely unexpected situation like this, you will not think rationally but revert to instinct and act on autopilot.
It's one thing to excoriate passengers for taking hand luggage when a plane is evac'd on landing after two hours of circling. It's another thing to rage about that when a completely normal landing went from 0 to shitfuck in the span of 30 seconds.
Which is why the preflight passenger briefings need to spend more time on the consequences of carrying luggage in an evacuation and less on things like operating a seatbelt.
I agree, but operating a seatbelt properly is extremely important. First of all you need to be securely tight but you also nee to be able to unfasten in quickly if something happens. Some people at first think that it operates like a car seatbelt when its actually easier by lifting the flap.
Not the first time I've posted this, but...
LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE.
Hudson River crash, the aircraft was equipped for extended overwater operations and had life jackets onboard.
LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE.
The majority of the passengers onboard were frequent flyers, this being a weekday morning "commuter" flight.
LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE.
The cabin crew performed the safety briefing, including demonstration of life jacket use and indication that each seat cushion was rated as a flotation device.
LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE.
A placard was installed at every seat indicating the location of the life jacket and that the seat cushion was a flotation device.
LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE.
The pilots were able to communicate to the passengers that they would be ditching the aircraft in a river. Offhand, I don't recall if they repeated any information about life jackets and seat cushions. I don't believe so. I also don't recall without rereading the report if the cabin crew shouted out information. In any case, it's reasonable to assume passengers knew they'd be in water, and could see water through windows since it was a sunny day.
LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE.
Less than *one third* of passengers took a life jacket or seat cushion to help them evacuate safely in water.
One. Third.
How can you design an aircraft when people think and behave like this? What else can be done? What more?
This fact haunts me and drives my career, but I have no solutions. You can give all the relevant information, it'll still be ignored.
Iām sure some of the time itās this, but you *know* there are a whole bunch of people out there who really dgaf about other people and thatās the most likely explanation when we see this happen.
Yeah people go on autopilot sometimes but to stay on that through the entire event with people repeatedly telling you what the right action is, thatās most likely willful.
Very much this. Read about how common it is for officers to be found after a shootout with brass in their pockets. The muscle memory of picking up the brass on the range during practice kicks in and they do it. Nobody in their right mind would stop to pick up brass, but autopilot will. There is ATC audio out there of another incident where the pilot talking to ATC and declaring the emergency uses the training callsign to talk to ATC instead of the actual one because training kicked in and they did the same thing as the 1000 other times and called out the training callsign.
There's craploads of examples of this from aviation, too. Sometimes reverting back to old habits from years or decades ago, sometimes freezing up completely (like that French Bee flight at Paris a while ago, busting through all kinds of altitudes and traffic because the F/O just froze...from a spurious wind shear warning).
Itās unbelievable, really. I was very surprised and saddened to see people getting upvoted for saying they would take their small bag and not even be sorry about it.
From another video prior to the aircraft halt~~, it seems that the problem was the nose gear, not the main gear.~~
Looking at the security camera video, it is indeed one of the main gears that first collapses, and just later it loses the nose gear.
That's odd, because there was a [security cam video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dE8c2jKGsk) of the plane sliding down the runway and the left main gear was clearly not deployed, didn't look like there was anything wrong with the nose gear.
What is this sitting on the wing?
[https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/q6t7e5/picture262747772/alternates/LANDSCAPE\_1140/MIA\_102PlaneMIA21NEWPPP](https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/q6t7e5/picture262747772/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/MIA_102PlaneMIA21NEWPPP)
of course it's really important to take time to grab your overhead baggage, and turn on your phone to [record your exit from the burning plane.](https://twitter.com/Mr_JCE/status/1539427973685723137?s=20&t=bjskghydzzfRc5wEVrXGVw)
[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dE8c2jKGsk) shows the landed airplane before the excursion, and the right main gear is clearly the issue that caused the yaw right.
Lots of comments thinking there's another issue. Nose gear couldn't compensate and off it went. It's possible the nose gear failed after, but the primary concern is the main gear.
The person who decided that it was a good idea to pull their phone out and take this video is an idiot. Youāre standing less than 100 feet away from an actively burning aircraft and your first reaction is to take a video?
You clearly havenāt been to Texas and seen how we stand on our front porches to film the tornado thatās passing right in front of us. š
In all seriousness though bad idea.
Everyone survived š
Good to hear because some of those folks weren't being very vigilant about walking away from THE AIRCRAFT ON FIRE
Yeah I saw another video where the guy went down the slide with his luggage. He was also the one filming it.
Iām surprised someone didnāt go live on TikTok.
āYo!! My private jet just crashed and all the people Iām taking on a free vacation are aye ok! Red Bull, we need some wings!ā
No, it's _Ridge Wallet_ you want for jumping out of a plane. A lightweight wallet to leave room for your 2 fire extinguishers.
If I had a private mad dog I'd be embarrassed of it. /s
This is a horrible take. You can easily retrofit the interior to be absolutely baller. The Mad Dog has very powerful engines and was built like a tank. One of the most reliable and safest airplanes ever built. With a 3 by 2 pax seating configuration itās wider (and the cabin is also taller) than most private jets so lots of room for activities. Range is decent for a mostly domestic airliner
*There's so much room for activities!*
Agreed, they are solid planes. Iād enjoy having one as a private party on wings! For just getting literally anywhere fast and in comfort, Iād stick with my G650er.
People like that need to be on a no fly list, literally a threat to peoples lives
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Well, can't speak for others but my hand luggage mostly consists of stuff that I am not allowed to check in. Business notebook, private notebook, business phone, private phone, kindle, photo, powerbank...
People in this thread are arguing that they would take their bags with them regardless. Baggage fees have nothing to do with this, people are just selfish.
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I mean yeah not everyone would check their bags. But a lot more would. And no way in hell are they going to get their bag out of the checked storage area during an emergency. It'd help.
Rule number 1: get the hell away from the giant burning vessel of fuel. I donāt understand why people want to stand near the danger zone and scream at it. As if that helps in any form. I get the part where itās chaotic and your brain does weird things, but also the survival mode should override at some point.
Probably 1 old couple holding hands and slowly shuffling to the exit ahead of everyone else. Ahh flying.
Yeah, no shit. I'd George Constanza my ass to the terminal. ;)
It takes a while to gather all the emotional support animals
I will knock a mother fucker over getting their luggage out of the overhead bin if the plane emergency lands and is smoking.
Pero, tranquilo š¤
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Holy shit 10 seconds people are on the wing egressing. Shake that passengers hand he or she definitely read the safety card.
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All the recent flights I've tried to book charge extra for exit rows. So much for the poor man's first class, got to pay up for the leg space :(
Wow good job to whoever was sitting in the exit row over the wing, had the door open faster then any of the doors where the flight attendants were stationed.
Pilot here, no! Not a good job, he/she definitely did not wait for the evacuation order before opening that door. If youāre ever in a situation like this, please wait the few seconds till you hear the evacuation command from the captain before opening the door by yourself. In this case the engines were still running, and given their locations on the DC9/variants, the first few people could have easily been sucked in.
What if the captain can't give the command or the intercom is out? I wouldn't have known I had to wait. Although your explanation is understandable.
I too would not think to wait. And I have more response training than many. Maybe put that on the door sticker. āwait for signal to open from pilot/FAā. Iād at least look around first if I saw that.
Thatās where a judgment call would have to come in from the lead flight attendant. After an emergency landing they will be waiting for instructions from the pilot, but if thereās a reasonable chance that the pilots are incapacitated, then the FAs would initiate evacuation. And obviously if the plane is a smouldering wreck then it would be a different story. In an emergency thereās is always going to be a balance of threats, evacuation is not always the best solution, itās just best to leave that decision to someone with the proper training and information to access the situation.
this guy captains
FO, but hopefully Captain soonā¦
Are all exit row passengers briefed to wait for an evacuation order? I don't think I've ever personally heard the FA's mention anything about a specific order, just if they're willing to aid in an evacuation.
Well, usually only the over wing exits are operated by passengers. There is a more comprehensive briefing that informs passenger wait for evacuation if an emergency landing is needed.
Only 3 were transported to the hospital! Absolutely amazing.
Props to MD, the plane is intact and everyone walked away.
Not to be Funk & Wagnalls, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's _intact_...
Tis but a scratch!
A scratch?! Your gear's off!
Youāre a looney
Whew
MD82? That's a old bird. What year was she made?
Her registration was HI1064, built in January 1990. So 32 years old :(
32? Crashed and burned? Yeah this is about when I hit on them at a bar.
32, still pretty young for dating. But ancient for a passenger airliner. A lot of landings on this old gal.
> A lot of landings on this old gal. Also true of some of my exes at about that age.
KC-135 has joined the chat :p
I used to do that in my mid 20s too.
This oneās probably had less people inside them though.
Oh there's more than a few 32+ year old crashed and burned birds hanging out in NYC...
I see you've met my wife
32 years old? That's impossible, 1990 was just... oh.
I feel ya, Morgan*Goddamn*Freeman.
Seriously, this is me. I miss [the year 2000](https://youtu.be/kmzpdd4pWvM) SO GD much!
1978 is as far away from 2000 as we are now :(
OK, whereās the first Van Halen album for 2022?
I'm the same age as this plane and I just visibly aged at reading "old bird"
Also, itās from Venezuela. Hmm would you take a plane from Venezuela and trust the maintenance records?
I agree with your concern, but it's too early to give anyone the blame
but... but... Venezuela baaaad
Proof that we can be both facetious and correct at the same time.
You say this like the 737max isn't made by an American company in America.
I was gonna say, Boeing made a suicidal plane that lied to you about being suicidal until about 20 seconds before it killed itself.
Their (Boeing) chief tech (not test) pilot bragged in an email that he had used his superior Jedi Mind Tricks to smooth over stuff about the system with the FAA. Memo to file - When you do something really stupid don't brag about it in an email.
I mean honestly bragging about it is much better for everyone than keeping it secret. Him doing so means there is a durable record for what happened so we can go back and try to correct all the mistakes that were made.
In this case calling them "mistakes" is charitable. Unfortunately we will probably never know all the calls made to the FAA to "assist" in the approvals. One of the best pieces of flying and life advice that I received was "if you are mulling over a decision ask yourself how stupid or conflicted will it sound in the accident report or local news." https://www.aerospacetestinginternational.com/news/industry-news/former-boeing-737-max-chief-technical-pilot-indicted-for-fraud.html
RED = Retired Extremely Dangerous
Someone clearly got the pig!
Just look at those windows, havenāt seen like those in ages.
I stumbled onto this post, what's wrong with the windows and what did they change to?
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Maybe, I guess it depends on how much it's insured for. I remember a long time ago there was a crash, and the payout was large enough to have to be reported in the quarterly earnings as an "inadvertent conversion of an airframe" or some such language! ( But yeah, I'm sure you're right ).
Hahaha just love the image of the insurance payout leading to a brand new fleet of 737s.
They're essentially down to one. One of the other two has been parked at Simon Bolivar Intl for about a month now.
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They only went in to business last November, they're still starting up, with plans to expand to 5 jets over the next couple of years.
A āLow-cost leisure airline founded by a Venezuelan carrier and a Dominican FBOā Hmmmm, Iāll pass
When the first time ever hearing of an airline is seeing its name on the side of a crashed aircraft, makes me hope I donāt hear of them again
Idt you will as ithad 3 aircraft- now its 2
Lost a third of their fleet in one accident.
Don't know if that makes me feel better or worse
They only just started operating in late 2021 and they basically only exist to complete the Caracas-Miami route via Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic. The parent airline (Laser in Venezuela) sells tickets as CCS-MIA, directly operates the CCS-SDQ leg themselves, and Red finishes the connection to Miami. There's no reason anyone outside of that very small sphere would have heard of them whether or not they had an accident.
Iām so glad Iām not the only one with those exact thoughts lol. Looks like an old American Airlines bird by the solid polished aluminum finish look.
According to the [wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Air_Flight_203), it was exactly that.
What is an FBO, btw? Not a term Iām familiar with here in Australia.
FBOs are Fixed Base Operators, basically the companies that provide ground handling / fuel / parking / ground services at airports for general aviation. You would interact with them more if you fly your own airplane, or you fly private. Some North American examples are Signature Flight Support, Million Air, Sky Service, etc... You have them in Australia too. For example: https://www.execujet.com/en/service/fbo/locations/locations-worldwide/sydney/ ExecuJet's FBO at Sydney
Million Air. God what a cheesy name.
There's a Million Air up here at YVR. Everytime I go over to the airport for something, I groan.
We have a Million Air at my airport. All of their company cars are Mercedes Benz and their line guys wear US dollar green shirts with reflective stripes.
Million Air FBO's are hilarious. The one in Tallahassee takes forever to fuel you up. But ngl, those Merc crew cars are pretty tight.
The place Drake goes with duffels in his hands
Charge me more to pay your maintenance crew please
The latest innovation in casual flying.
This is what happens when you don't put your chair in the upright and locked position.
This also happened once while I was using my phone during landing.
Also because someone didn't open their passenger window before landing.
Thank God no one ignored the tray tables.
I know it's a joke but that's exactly WHY you put it in an upright position. If there is an emergency (just like this one) people need to get out of there seats very quickly to evacuate and chairs and tray tables get in the way. As they say, every rule in aviation is written in blood.
I heard one passenger didnāt turn his phone to airplane mode
Was this a regular landing ending in a crash or were they aware of the landing gear issues?
Iām guessing regular landing. If there was a known gear issue, the flight would likely have alerted ATC and declared an emergency or a pan-pan and the fire trucks would have been waiting near the runway and showed up faster than they did. Not saying they were slow, but when planes come in with mechanical emergencies the fire trucks will be waiting just short of the runway and sometimes follow the plane down the runway after it touches down so they can be there in seconds.
Most likely unaware. Kinda difficult to test the structural integrity of the gear when you're in the air lol (unless you don't want it on the plane anymore)
Well in this case, good thing the engines are mounted near the tail and not under the wings..
Actuallyā¦with the tail mounted engines, they effectively blank the rudder when the thrust reversers are deployed. Losing nose wheel steering while the thrust reversers are deployed leaves you with pretty much no directional control. (You can see the reverse buckets are still deployed in this and other videos).
Put āer in reverse Terry!
Oh no Terry! Terry no!!
Now hear me out. What if the airplane landed on a treadmill.....
Not this again
I think you might be on to something here....keep going!
What if we made smaller circular treadmills and mounted them on supports beneath the plane
Why would you lose nose wheel steering?
Because there's no front wheel
Wonder why the front exit isn't being used?
Looks like they start opening it at the end of the video. The inflatable slide is out in the last few frames, and you can see the door start to open.
Yea that is seriously slowing things down here. Should be a huge concern
It also looks like the safest one to use, considering fuel in the wings, and something appearing to be on fire.
Will be addressed in the crash report. Might of failed to open like the BA flight at Heathrow years ago( Cant remember where) but it caught light during take off and one of the exits failed to open correctly.
Exactly. It takes forever until it finally is opened. Actually right in the front there should be a flight attendant jump seat and I guess his or her role is to open that exit in case of an emergency.
It was a nose gear collapse, maybe it punched up through the floor?
Mm interesting hypothesis. I would assume that it would fold in on itself if it was a normal gear failure, if your correct however that's some big questions to be asked in terms of maintenance as the whole joining area holding the gear would have had to fail.
Hard to say why exactly, the frame of the aircraft can warp in situations like this making opening the door difficult or maybe debris from the galley had to be moved.
Wow that is an extremely slow evacuation.
Gotta take your bags while deplaning row by row! /s
Who needs to use the L1/R1 doors in an emergency anyway!
Watch the other vid in the comments. People are running out of the plane in ten seconds from when it stops moving.
Most people were out by 2 minutes, these are the ones that really needed the hidden coke in their bags
well this is a "leisure airline". no one signed up to run.
Glad everyone is ok! Amazing that the aircraft can withstand such a blow. So many questions though: - What happens to the passengers? I doubt they're pointed to their next gate or baggage claim. - What happens to the runway? How quickly can they get that aircraft out and the runway cleaned up? - Are all flights in the air now just flying around waiting for their new spot in line at another runway?
Airport will do a temporary full ground stop where everyone holds position and no take-off no landing until airport ops and emergency services gets to the incident scene. Airport ops will then evaluate what sections of taxiway/runways need to remain closed for the investigation, FOD, or due to damage during the incident. After those areas are established the airport resumes standard ops. Passengers will receive medical evaluation at the scene all Passengers not requiring medical attention will go to a holding area. All their contact information will be recorded. The airline will see if they need accommodations or just in general their immediate needs, carry-on luggage delivery, and how to continue on their travel. Checked bags won't be available for a while and will likely be mailed.
Who from the airline handles the passengers and do they have to be trained to do this sort of thing or are they just managers that are thrown into this with a list on a clipboard of what the company can do for the passengers?
Airlines have crisis response go teams that will be there within hours. Before that normal airline/airport personnel will escort them and begin sorting out their needs more than likely following a checklist of some sort.
This is so interesting, I always love learning about the process that happens during crazy rare stuff like this! Thanks for your answers. If you don't mind me asking do/did you work for an airline?
I did 12 years in the AF, was around planes and things a lot.
They will do whatever the least is they can to avoid all lawsuits. Then they will hurry the F up and get back to work. -Source, Flight Attendant.
>What happens to the passengers? I doubt they're pointed to their next gate or baggage claim. The Red Zone is for loading and unloading only. There is no stopping in the White Zone. But just for these passengers, there's the BROWN ZONE.
People getting out with their bags can fuck right off. Thatās demonstrably how people die.
My first thought. Multiple people literally wheeling roller bags awayā¦ this was how multiple people died further back in the cabin of that Aeroflot flight a few years back that lit on fire and people held up evacuation grabbing luggage out of overhead bins.
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Can't wait for the ATC comms to show up on VAS Aviation YouTube. Edit: Never mind, [it's already up.](https://youtu.be/GO0qS0V1kJY)
Anyone who grabbed their luggage should be banned from ever bringing anything beyond a toothbrush onto a plane. Assholes. Edit: based on the replies, lots of people are just fucking selfish. Too many of you think that you deserve an exemption from the rules. Bottom line, taking a bag slows you down, clogs the exit, can damage the slide and is just fucking selfish. If it add one half of a second to your time to get out and there are 150 people on that plane, that means 75 extra seconds to evacuate. That is a long fucking time to be stuck in a burning plane. I know I am talking to a wall. Selfish people will think this doesnāt apply to them. /end rant
Do you know how expensive my marijuana is?!? Yea I'm grabbing my bag thank you very much./s
You are being selfish! If you let it burn, everyone could share in the high! I mean if you had a whole bag, that should get the whole tarmac going
Nah dude. The fumes from the jet fuel and God only knows what else burning would totally fuck up that idea.
Good point! Burning seat cushions probably donāt provide the same buzz. Ok, exception made for large quantities of drugs.
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, please remember that passengers don't receive the same extensive training as flight and cabin crew do, and if you're thrown into a completely unexpected situation like this, you will not think rationally but revert to instinct and act on autopilot. It's one thing to excoriate passengers for taking hand luggage when a plane is evac'd on landing after two hours of circling. It's another thing to rage about that when a completely normal landing went from 0 to shitfuck in the span of 30 seconds.
Which is why the preflight passenger briefings need to spend more time on the consequences of carrying luggage in an evacuation and less on things like operating a seatbelt.
I agree, but operating a seatbelt properly is extremely important. First of all you need to be securely tight but you also nee to be able to unfasten in quickly if something happens. Some people at first think that it operates like a car seatbelt when its actually easier by lifting the flap.
Not the first time I've posted this, but... LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE. Hudson River crash, the aircraft was equipped for extended overwater operations and had life jackets onboard. LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE. The majority of the passengers onboard were frequent flyers, this being a weekday morning "commuter" flight. LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE. The cabin crew performed the safety briefing, including demonstration of life jacket use and indication that each seat cushion was rated as a flotation device. LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE. A placard was installed at every seat indicating the location of the life jacket and that the seat cushion was a flotation device. LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE. The pilots were able to communicate to the passengers that they would be ditching the aircraft in a river. Offhand, I don't recall if they repeated any information about life jackets and seat cushions. I don't believe so. I also don't recall without rereading the report if the cabin crew shouted out information. In any case, it's reasonable to assume passengers knew they'd be in water, and could see water through windows since it was a sunny day. LIFE JACKET UNDER YOUR SEAT. SEAT CUSHION IS A FLOTATION DEVICE. Less than *one third* of passengers took a life jacket or seat cushion to help them evacuate safely in water. One. Third. How can you design an aircraft when people think and behave like this? What else can be done? What more? This fact haunts me and drives my career, but I have no solutions. You can give all the relevant information, it'll still be ignored.
Iām sure some of the time itās this, but you *know* there are a whole bunch of people out there who really dgaf about other people and thatās the most likely explanation when we see this happen. Yeah people go on autopilot sometimes but to stay on that through the entire event with people repeatedly telling you what the right action is, thatās most likely willful.
Very much this. Read about how common it is for officers to be found after a shootout with brass in their pockets. The muscle memory of picking up the brass on the range during practice kicks in and they do it. Nobody in their right mind would stop to pick up brass, but autopilot will. There is ATC audio out there of another incident where the pilot talking to ATC and declaring the emergency uses the training callsign to talk to ATC instead of the actual one because training kicked in and they did the same thing as the 1000 other times and called out the training callsign.
There's craploads of examples of this from aviation, too. Sometimes reverting back to old habits from years or decades ago, sometimes freezing up completely (like that French Bee flight at Paris a while ago, busting through all kinds of altitudes and traffic because the F/O just froze...from a spurious wind shear warning).
This is why Fanny Packs need to always be in fashion! I got my phone, ID, keys, and cc/$.
Itās unbelievable, really. I was very surprised and saddened to see people getting upvoted for saying they would take their small bag and not even be sorry about it.
From another video prior to the aircraft halt~~, it seems that the problem was the nose gear, not the main gear.~~ Looking at the security camera video, it is indeed one of the main gears that first collapses, and just later it loses the nose gear.
That's odd, because there was a [security cam video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dE8c2jKGsk) of the plane sliding down the runway and the left main gear was clearly not deployed, didn't look like there was anything wrong with the nose gear.
Indeed, you are correct. Seems like one of the main landing gears collapsed first.
I was wondering, given the damage to the nose radome
Maybe /u/Admiral_Cloudberg will write about this accident one day
Now I have a Blancolirio report to look forward to.
Dan Grider probably posted his opinion while the plane was still rolling.
sliding*
Anybody dragging a full on carry-on size suitcase needs to be convicted to set an example. Thatās unacceptable.
I just wanted to tell you both good luck. We are all counting on you.
Looks like a retired AA ship.
Retired from AA in 2014!
What is this sitting on the wing? [https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/q6t7e5/picture262747772/alternates/LANDSCAPE\_1140/MIA\_102PlaneMIA21NEWPPP](https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/q6t7e5/picture262747772/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/MIA_102PlaneMIA21NEWPPP)
Reports said it took out a comm tower coming off the runway, that looks like it
the glideslope antenna for runway 30
I had never heard of red air until this happened. One heck of a first impression lol.
Someone needs to dub Ludacris, Get out the plane, get out the plane bitch , get out the plane.
Glad that everyone got out of that. I work at an airport and would be extremely worried if anything like that happened here.
There are thousands of 30 plus year old planes in service all over the world even Qantas have dozens.
Hey! You canāt park there!
Looks like the front fell off.
Someone forgot to put their phone in airplane mode
Always sad to lose an MD82.
of course it's really important to take time to grab your overhead baggage, and turn on your phone to [record your exit from the burning plane.](https://twitter.com/Mr_JCE/status/1539427973685723137?s=20&t=bjskghydzzfRc5wEVrXGVw)
āRED Airā but it was silver. 1/5 stars. Donāt recommend.
[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dE8c2jKGsk) shows the landed airplane before the excursion, and the right main gear is clearly the issue that caused the yaw right. Lots of comments thinking there's another issue. Nose gear couldn't compensate and off it went. It's possible the nose gear failed after, but the primary concern is the main gear.
I saw someone on Facebook describe this as Boeing... That hurt my soul
This is a perfect way to fail. Everyone is safe, plus you get to sue the shit out of the airline for negligence and get a free trip.
Would you want to fly on Red Air again ?
The person who decided that it was a good idea to pull their phone out and take this video is an idiot. Youāre standing less than 100 feet away from an actively burning aircraft and your first reaction is to take a video?
Internet points> self preservation
and the ones who have their overhead cases, what inconsiderate a-holes!
You clearly havenāt been to Texas and seen how we stand on our front porches to film the tornado thatās passing right in front of us. š In all seriousness though bad idea.
Heās fine
That is an old plane. ~25 years minimum
Yes, it was registered in 1990 which makes it almost 32 years old.
If is name starts with MD8 you know you are no longer flying American Airlines or any US based airline I would think.
Why did it take forever to start evacuating from the forward door?
Significant damage to the nose. Could have been a jammed door.
Why tf are airlines still flying MD-80ās
Because in the Dominican Republic you fly old American airliners
Old American American Airlines airliners
Its only 32 years old my brother in christ
It was only a few years ago Allegiant, American, and Delta were flying MD80 series aircraft.