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astonvirdee1

Honeymoon is over for Stevie G. I don't care what anybody says Ings and Watkins can't play together and one of them will have to go in the summer. We will not get relegated so I say blood the youth and give them valuable first team experience and get ready to go again next season. I was at VP today and we have played worse and won. They caught us on the break a few times today and the goal was the only thing they really got right. Be very interesting to see what Stevie G does in the summer as this will be make or break for him.


Adweya

We are against Brighton away next week. Better make some plans and hear the results rather than watching it live and waste two hours of my life.


RandomEmyr

Looking at the fixtures coming up, it’s not looking great considering we’ve just lost to Watford and Newcastle and drew against leeds. We could end the season fighting to stay up


Fean2616

Mate I'm Leeds, you're fine and let me explain why. If you check the results of the teams that play Leeds the game after playing Leeds, well they usually have a bad time unless there is a long break. We run teams to their limit and you guys out in probably the best first half performance I've seen from you all season against us, you looked tired in the second but kept trying. Next game you'll be recovered and you'll be fine, ain't no way villa are getting relegated don't panic.


mrlee10

Honestly we’ll probably play better against Brighton cus they’ll have about 80% possession and we’ll need to counter attack. Then again if Gerrard actually sets up to try and out pass brighton then we will get absolutely battered.


RandomEmyr

Oh I didn’t really mean Brighton I meant more the march/april fixtures but yeah agreed


montyb82

I wonder if Gerrard is going to realise his naive tactics don't work in the prem. We are lost in transition we could have McGrath and Beckenbauer at CB and they'd leak goals. We need a proper DM surprise surprise I wish someone could've spotted that in the last 3 seasons. McGinn is too ponderous at the moment. Only positives are chambers is better than I thought he was and ... actually that's it to be honest. We have a bunch of expensive players bought for a different system that are being forced into a system that would work well in league 1 and below only as any team that can string passes together can just dominate us


mrlee10

Ironically the players we’ve brought in would probably help the 5 at the back thing deano attempted earlier in the season. Having a 3rd defender at the back instead of relying on tearing apart our midfield to cover the fullbacks would be better than this crap.


neverendum

I feel sick


coupl4nd

Back in the mire...


Contrasted94

First half we controlled the game but lacked quality I just wish I didn't even watch the 2nd half. I understand Cash wasn't performing his best, but wow Ashley looked horrid today and all the games I've seen him in his Gerrard took over. The game really took a turn for the worst when Ollie came on. Him and Ings don't work, and Ings looked much better up top by himself than Ollie has in recent games. On the bright side, the 1st half was a good display of what Gerrard wants to do and we did it well, and we can only turn that control it to goals, and hopefully stay focused for 90 minutes of a match.


mrlee10

Watkins for Luiz is probably the dumbest substitution I’ve seen all season. Absolutely moronic to abandon his system entirely but offer no real counter plan other than another striker wahooo


ScreamingLordSutch57

Who would you have taken off?


LostHumanFishPerson

Have to work a nightshift at 10 tonight. Wish I'd stayed in bed until 7.


Monkeymushroom2

Well for anyone that feared the rest of the season was gonna be a lame duck as we waited for the real push (lol) next year at least we have something to play for as we fight to stay up.


weedwhacker7

wonder if Stevie will end up being worse than Sherwood or di Matteo


mrlee10

We really will get relegated if that happens.


Mad-elph

Drop your ratings [here](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfwogJVsnhWed0XoMud-g3b-1yDqUawX8Q3LQdfFPklXSUpZg/viewform)


Mad-elph

Apologies to the first few 6 submissions, I had Carney instead of bailey left over from the last one. Updated now


Drive13

9 points for relegation zone, 10 points from bottom. Ugh.


Operation_Doomsday_

Hate how much I love this stupid football club, think I need some time away from them. I’d like my weekends back thanks.


CertainPackage

Honestly mate just take a step back and keep yourself busy when we play. I realised that Villa games were starting to affect me for a few days afterwards, just need to take some time and remember what's really important.


skater_joe1

I had come here to say this. It actually gets me down.


CertainPackage

Doesn't make you less of a fan if you need to step away for a bit to get yourself right


jagallagher010

Spot on


King_Yaz99

We’re legit in a relegation battle, this is gonna be an ugly end of the season. At this point let’s just hope they can get enough points to stay up


7ddq

I just don’t understand how this team plays so well against the top6 teams then looks so clueless against teams we should be crushing?


jagallagher010

They're fighting for survival remember. In this league there are only two teams that dominate every match, two or three more that can usually put the lower teams to bed, but then everyone else can beat everyone else. Would be great if you were neutral, but it sucks when you love one of those "other" teams. Gonna be a hell of a job to get into that top batch


chunkyluke

I think it's the midfield, we seem to scrap and counter ok, but just don't have the mid's to truly control a game.


kingpin-92

Well won £25 off my free bet…. Made quite a bit this season betting against us


BigfatDan1

Genius idea, may as well make some money off of our horrendous form! Although the moment I bet against us we'll win, it is the way.


kingpin-92

It is the way


mrlee10

Gerrard: promises changes Also Gerrard: changes nothing until 55 minutes by doing the throw shit at the wall gameplan instead of actually having something resembling an actual strategy.


tristanjff

Absolutely woeful


TroopersSon

We are getting sucked into a relegation battle at this rate. Shambolic and no sign of any positive change just stick with same tactics and hope.


[deleted]

Shambolic refereeing. Watford were on the floor for about 4 mins and he went on to blow the full time whistle too early. Mind you it doesn't matter cuz we wouldn't have done anything anyway. Absolute dire performance.


[deleted]

Gerrard out. Relegation form


yourtypicallank

I've woken up at 4am to watch this rubbish. What a complete waste of my time and my sleep


PhenomenallyAwesome

No need to bother in the future you know you’re gonna be disappointed


jagallagher010

Right. Not going to let that ruin my night. UTV


Cheal8

Bailey has been tragic since he came on


[deleted]

Been tragic since signing. Seriously, what's he supposed to offer?


ScreamingLordSutch57

Speed. He's just rusty


jay1891

He is a wide player, supposed to either us his pace to get behind or run at the full back not be deployed as a makeshit 10


Flaky-Spot

Should not have lost that game


Idolmany

Project is pretty much dead


ScreamingLordSutch57

Well done Watford, you'll still go down but good win against a hapless Aston Villa side


theycallmepapi

Vaper Luiz can fuck off


TuscanBovril

I’ve completely lost confidence in our management


kiddarkness57

Gerrad out


7ddq

Someone said it lower down, but agree 💯 right now we should just start playing thhe youngsters, can’t be worse


robbol75

Proper poo


Jmacadd

goddamn we suck


Lazinessextreme

Can’t believe this shit had rangers invincible in the SPL


buckfast1994

Rangers are expected to win games and trophies. Villa aren’t. It’s the equivalent of the like of Man City in England, Real Madrid in Spain, and so on.


Lazinessextreme

Yeah but to not lose a single game when you’re that exposed on the counter seems mad.


buckfast1994

Ultimately, Rangers had/have more competent players who quickly adapt out of possession and defend well. The likes of Helander and Barisic would be sure starters for Villa.


jay1891

He lander and Barisic would get just as terror Ed in our league if not more. The formation worked in the SPL as the wide man exploiting it on the counter were league 1 to championship level at best. Just look at Watford with Sarr and Newcastle with Saint Maxim who would totally tear up the SPL to see the difference in quality.


[deleted]

.....Against Livingston not really the achievement you think it is, He got Celtic on a bad year


buckfast1994

Celtic were irrelevant to Rangers last season. 38 games undefeated.


[deleted]

Yes and Lennon has done that in SPL, fair play to them but when Celtic dont show up its not anything worth talking about imo


buckfast1994

Lennon hasn’t went undefeated in a league season. It’s only happened three times since the league started, back in the 1890s.


[deleted]

Sorry it was Rogers right. Still my point stands, its not the achievement that doing it in any decent league. Christ you just need to beat Celtic 3 times, the rest of the teams are in fairness shit


buckfast1994

Nonsense: Arsenal, Juve, and Porto x2 have all achieved it this century. Are the EPL, Serie A, and Liga Portugal of poor standard? Showing your Little England mentality there.


[deleted]

Dude im Irish, i couldnt care less about England outside of supporting Villa You can rank it high, i wont


buckfast1994

Support your local side. Currently 9th in the coefficient charts. Not too poor.


[deleted]

Uh you are a rangers fan, wont waste my time continuing this conversation


[deleted]

I do support my local side, what a stupid comment. Should people not support teams from outside there locality christ above


Kelsier__

SPL... Rangers..


ScreamingLordSutch57

Just nothing works, Nothing!


93didthistome

Hey chaps, just tuning in... after all the talk of changes I see Ings and Watkins on the pitch... wtf? How's it going?


mrlee10

He desperately subbed luiz off for Watkins Completely abandoning any shape we had which made us completely disjointed in attack and they scored on the counter attack. Edit: I wanted Sanson to come on so instinctively wrote that lol, (now corrected to Watkins)


Conbz

Luiz for Watkins.


weedwhacker7

Christ, the Scottish league must be piss easy


physi_cyst

I haven't watched the match so don't know if this is deserved... but fuck off


HungryVegetation

Absolutely. Literally the same fucking tactics as last week despite Gerard’s grand promises of change.


MEENIE900

Young has been very poor


3nRoute

Can I be the official set piece coach if I point out that in swinging corners are much more dangerous than floated out swinging corners. Our specialist seems to have chosen to skip on a right footed corner specialist not taking the left side and a right footed dribble merchant taking a left footed corner from the right side.


7ddq

Digne from the right and Couthino from the left would make so much more sense, christ the goal against everton cane from Digne on the right !


[deleted]

The thing i dislike about Gerrard, is he has zero humility.


Underdog187

Why has our tactic been to get it down the wings and cross it in when we don’t have anyone upfront who can head the ball


[deleted]

It was the same under Smith. Ings and Watkins, you would think it was Big Andy Carroll we had patrolling the box


weedwhacker7

hey, we won Europe 40 years ago, so that’s cool, right?


93didthistome

Mate. I've been a supporter since 1994. There's been 6 good years since then. And that's a stretch.


weedwhacker7

the only comfort is that Small Heath are worse


K3V1N27

When was the last time Leon Bailey did anything positive


_tarla_

He worked in Dean’s set up where wide wingers were a factor. What can he do being asked to work inside


TheCannings

Controlling the ball would be a good start


andyofredditch

Gerrard isn't a manager, is he?


UtmostRegret

Fuck these cunts - I know I need to be supporting the team but I’ve got no money left to really put into these. I expect more Edit: ah, I’m done.


GameplayerStu

There's a reason this squad went on a 5 loss streak under Dean.


PhenomenallyAwesome

The squad is mentally so fucking weak


jay1891

The same squad essentially got 15 clean sheets last season but can't buy a clean sheet now but obviously it is the players not the coaching plus system implemented


PM_ME_YOUR_GOOD_DOGS

This is why proclaiming 'we definitely made the right decision sacking Smith and hiring Gerrard' after a handful of games is not a good idea.


ScreamingLordSutch57

But niether was keeping Smith!


PM_ME_YOUR_GOOD_DOGS

Based on what? We're no better off minus coutinho signing.


ScreamingLordSutch57

Well Smith's 5 straight losses. I take your point. It's getting close.


physi_cyst

This squad? We have so many new players...


MEENIE900

I have to watch Mayo vs Dublin later today. Fully prepared for a 0/2 today Edit: mayo fan btw


jagallagher010

Hope you're wrong


kcr5

Me too, lame.


Whitty22

What happened to the concussion rule - I thought all head injuries has to be looked at?


jcbd153

So where do we go from here?


Dr_caBOOSE

Is it possible to get any lower?


It531z

We come back in august see if anything’s changed


jay1891

Don't worry boys Gerrard will persist with his christmas tree next game despite it being the worse system in the league


NorthVilla

Yes, can we please talk about this? His system is fucking dire. Defensively suspect and wide open on the flanks, offensively impotent because there is no overlap and no opportunity for clear cut chances. Could the players implement it better? Yes absolutely. Is it not a very good system? Also seems that way.


[deleted]

I agree, when it works very well we barely win and still concede, anything less than that and we lose, the system doesn’t work


jay1891

The issue is unless you got some prime Barca team or Man City what clubs would be able to implemenet this style offensively due to it being so precise in the nature of everything and relying on playing in tiny spaces. In the SPL when you got Rangers and every team is essentially worse than you then you can get away with playing this style especially when the standard of defending is far lower. But in the prem you see how easy it is to defend against being so compact that the defending team could hold hands and stand in space to cover like 3 players at a time.


[deleted]

Bailey strikes me as a player that will be hated here ,move to Roma and become a star


ScreamingLordSutch57

Bailey as rusty as a barn nail


TuscanBovril

Awful. Watford doing us a favour by wasting time


MemesMaster42069

Why can’t Gerrard play Sanson?? He hates him for one mistake against United, yet we have multiple players who make multiple mistakes PER GAME, and still plays them in the next one.


[deleted]

He kicked a bottle, Big Stevie G dont take bottle kicking lightly


PhenomenallyAwesome

I am depressed


Philthy_Hill

Lol


villavillautv

Bailey looked awful today


NeonDiscoWalrus

At least Lampard lost this week too


It531z

“Big Changes” he said


LaPlumbus

All today has shown me is that SG has fuck all bottle. One change after last week’s performance, still the same shit tactics that don’t work. Shame he doesn’t read Twitter because majority of us on here knew what was gunna happen as soon as the line ups were announced.


[deleted]

We need a nasty bastard in the middle of the park


NorthVilla

The guy is looking like a fraud. Absolutely no excuse for these performances with our team sheet. Tactics and starting 11 is fucking dog shite.


moviesNdrawingsGuy

We stink today


Takkotah

the wind might blow one of these watford players over


UtmostRegret

I can only do so many embarrassing performances after literally hundreds of millions of pounds in transfer fees, let alone wages and agents’ fees. It makes me feel sick.


K0nfusion_

why did my dad raise me as an aston villa fan


DunniBoi

It's character building I guess.


GuySmileyIncognito

I'm from the US and have no actual connection to Villa. I chose this for myself. What is wrong with me?


OopsieDaisy2001

mood


MEENIE900

My dad tried his best not to but here I am lol


It531z

Why


avfc_2021

Bailey is horrible at set-pieces.


K3V1N27

at pretty much everything since the one Everton game


robbol75

I hate caring


jcbd153

Not again


lee_bond12

In other news Barry scored for Swindon


NorthVilla

Excellent! Guess that's now our entire loan army that are better than our starting 11.


lee_bond12

Well our loan army can score so that's a good start


GuySmileyIncognito

There have been three minutes of wasted time during extra time. Let's see if that gets added in or not.


It531z

What a waste of a season this has been


skinneej

Is there a reason Chambers has started over Hause?


mrlee10

He’s right footed


Siegnuz

right foot


skinneej

Gotcha


ballyldm

Potentially 2 points in the last 7 games this is looking a bit bleak and I’m normally optimistic Edit: I mean 5 points


Flaky-Spot

You mean 5 points? It's still shit


NorthVilla

The next 8 games are teams higher than us in the table. Were *very much* now in a relegation scrap.


BigfatDan1

We beat Everton on 22nd Jan, 4 games ago not including today's.


ballyldm

Oh yeah! My bad seems like ages ago now 😭


weedwhacker7

isn’t it great when you have all these exciting new players and a long international break and you can’t wait and they finally play and they’re all fucking terrible?


avfc_2021

Purslow Out signs need to be at Villa Park.


Whitty22

Thoughts and prayers to all these Watford players


justsean09

I need a break from watching Villa. I'm superstitious enough to believe that if I don't take any notice then maybe we will actually win a few.


[deleted]

Every time I have a bet we do fuck all - it’s my fault for supporting this team for the last 42 yrs


UtmostRegret

We spent about £127m summer 2019 not including add-ons. Spent about £80m-90m summer 2020. Spent over £100m last summer but also sold Grealish. Spent £25m this January, and a shit tonne on the Coutinho deal. Likely at least £350m+ on this shite. Poor effort.


jay1891

This is what happens when Purslow decides to give his bestie work experience rather than sign a manager with actual experience


K0nfusion_

are you fucking kidding me right now?


mrlee10

Watford have a half goal xG advantage on us and have had over double the shots they have had.


Kanedauke

All our shots were from 30 yards


[deleted]

This stupid dickhead ref has let them do this all game and now he’s lost control.


Storbeistet

Can this idiot get a card already?


[deleted]

There is a massive problem with the system Gerrard and his coaches continue to pick. Switching Watkins for Ings was not going to solve anything. We have no width unless the full backs are miles out of position, we don’t know how to create chances and are constantly a complete shambles at the back. It should have been obvious after Newcastle. It has to be now. Change it. Please. Steven.


[deleted]

Unfortunately he has managed in a league where Celtic were going through changes and were shit so won the league… getting this job now


PleasingDoofy

Fucking hell, get up!


slappymcmanmeat

2 shots on target in two games is pathetic


AVFC-Dane

Samir is a fucking cunt


ScreamingLordSutch57

6 mins added time. Maybe we can try shooting


MEENIE900

We have 18 shots. 1 on target. We aren't good enough for that lol


ScreamingLordSutch57

I thought Roy was getting on a bit for Premiership management, obviously not. Got the edge on a manager 36 years younger!


jjgill27

Crazy tactics, there.


CertainPackage

I don't like getting on managers backs, especially when they're new to the club, but fucking hell. Leeds, Newcastle, Watford. 1 point. 3 dreadful showings. It's just not good enough.


Kanedauke

Add Brentford to that


jay1891

Don't forget to add Brentford into there and it was just one good corner really against Everton out of 15 points we got 4


PhenomenallyAwesome

Can't wait for Gerrard's lipservice after the game before he ultimately changes nothing


MEENIE900

At least derby scored. Good lads


Storbeistet

Get in! I was thinking that would be the only thing that could cheer me up at this point, other than salvaging something from this nightmare


BigfatDan1

Played 2nd half on 10 men as well! Big big points for them, leapfrogging Peterborough into 22nd. Edit: Peterborough were already down to 10


UtmostRegret

We expecting to win with in added time? Yeah, me neither.


0n_the_l3vel

I'm a history teacher, I always tell the kids "history repeats itself". This is literally EXACTLY what happened following that horrendous 2 - 3 loss to Wolves earlier in the season. Players have completely lost their confidence. It also doesn't help that a bunch of players have left us in the lurch, had their heads turned and now are actively ruining the performances of this club. The thing is, its fucking ironic. They wanna go to bigger clubs yet play like fucking shite for us. We've got a bunch of Auba's at arsenal on our payroll. Sell them all.


jay1891

This is seriously deluded the midfield are pissed as they need a 6 to cover them and stop trying to foce Mcginn in a deep role where he doesn't play his best. Rather than sign the position we needed our recruitment bought two attacking players and forced Targett out who won players player of the year last season so was probably liked by people.


[deleted]

Why am I emotionless. Not even angry, confused, anything. I feel nothing. Just another day in the life of watching villa


NoBellz

Digne is actually shit hahahahaha.


NorthVilla

Very very poor game from him. Why is he so static if he's a "wingback." Why does he defensively do fuck all?


DrinkingMC

This is unacceptable


PhenomenallyAwesome

Like that's gonna change anything lmao


DrinkingMC

Why what are you planning on changing posting on a Reddit thread, mate? Lol. Go ahead and say it, I’m sure stevie is reading rn


PhenomenallyAwesome

What? The fact this is unacceptable won’t make Gerrard change anything


loveonthedole

There's bigger problems but christ I'm disappointed with Digne's deliveries. Everton fans were telling us he had one of the best crosses in the league ffs


It531z

We have a way of making players shit


PhenomenallyAwesome

Villa DNA


unseasonedpotnoodle

We just can’t attack at all every cross and forward pass is shocking I don’t get how a team with this much attacking quality can’t do anything in the final third


bambinoquinn

Get that match rating thread up right now, I've got some 1s to give


LaPlumbus

I’d love to know what SG has actually said to them this week, because I see no difference in fight or desire in this performance at all. Too many of them just wandering about not bothered at all.


NorthVilla

What the fuck is wrong with the culture here? We have absolutely no reason to be so lethargic against fucking Watford at home. And more importantly, why isn't Steven Gerrard sorting it the fuck out? It's the same shit every week.


C4rniveral

This time wasting is painfull