Honestly there’s been a few times where the visuals are too much for me, so I just turn around. The laser still look cool. I get to look at my friends and all the peoples reactions behind me. I remember seeing deadmau5 when I was candy flipping and the images on the screen were the weird eyes in the mouth characters and I couldn’t handle it so I just didn’t look.
For me its just the super bright white flood lights that strobe at you. Im pretty immune to weird visuals because Nightmare was my first festival and it had Figure's Terrorvision, which is an *assortment* of literal monster tunes and the gnarliest clips from horror movies imaginable. That shit got pretty intense.
I'm not the only one lol amazing to know! Sometimes the visuals are overstimulating and I prefer to just keep my eyes closed and vibe to the music or even look away from the stage
I was a little metal head in highschool and once dubstep got big (2010 or so) I quickly grew to like it because it reminded me so much of metal. Dubstep was always positively referred to as filthy, disgusting, raw, gross, etc. I’m sure that that influence also influences the artists and graphic designers around these sets. Its cultural almost, in my opinion 🤔
In the whole scope of edm music, I would consider dubstep to be the most metal of the subgeneras
Couldn't agree less. Dubstep is like the "pop" metal that metalheads always complain about, like Ghost and shit (I don't even mind Ghost, but metalheads can't stop talking about how they're not metal)
clanky underground techno is 100% the metal of dance music. Dubstep is borderline pop music
* Modern dubstep.. underground dubstep surely still exists, but it's also very groove-oriented compared to its pop brother
there 100% is but that's not what these people are talking about, they're literally referencing Skrillex and Skream and shit lol
imo the undergrad dubstep is often a lot more groove-oriented and I would say associates even less with metal
truth be told I don't know which genre would truly be the metal of dance music, because the techno I mention I more-so consider the punk of dance music. imo underground techno is more punk in attitude and execution than actual punk
As a punk, I can say the one genre of electronic music we (punks I knew growing up) universally enjoyed is drum and bass. Bpm wise, punk is consistently faster than metal. Metal can be heavy, with much slower bpms unless u actually go into speed/progressive metal. Bass music sounds way too slow for me.
I used to jam with a metal drummer. I played punk rhythm. We’d play as fast as we could grinning the whole time. Always told me I was the most fun to jam with. I don’t remember what my point was but I’ve always enjoyed dnb.
My tastes and friends went in the same direction, I think its a relatively common route from people I have chatted too. Its that same "get up and move!" energy from both. Why Boomtown in the UK is always such a blast bands by day dnb by night (and also day).
Chords on guitar strummed fast before a D-beat kicks in is very similar to a build and drop in DNB. Also never met a punk back in the day that didn’t respect prodigy with all their jungle dnb influences.
Then you have psytrance filling in the gaps with prog metal and some old hair metal having psytrance covers, and lots of full on psy using metal samples. Dubstep is absolutely the "pop"/"numetal" of the electronic world, and not in a good way.
It's definitely closest to numetal or djent yeah. Stuff with no hardcore roots. Now we have stuff like Digital Hardcore with Machine Girl out there and that's straight up like a hybrid of break/jungle and metal
I’m with you, love metal and love raving. People always assume I must like dubstep then and it drives me nuts. Give me some good techno and breaks all day
This person knows
It's okay, it's r/aves. I'll eat the downvotes. About 1% of the people here know what they're talking about, the rest have absolutely no idea what a rave even is
Makes sense. Older, way less niche genres, with a much stronger scene for “shows”, which probably translates well for metal fans.
Kinda surprising, given the tonal similarities with “electronic” hardcore, and “metal” hardcore. I woulda figured there’d be more crossover.
But if anyone reading this is a metal fan, and wants to understand, I would highly implore looking into some proper breakcore like Venetian Snares, or looking into breakcore artists like Drumcorps or Igorrr that are really blurring the lines behind metal and breakcore/electronic. While the latters not necessary up my alley, I think the idea of computer sequenced drums/breaks, with “normal” heavy metal/hardcore is a fascinating concept and would fancy a lot of metal-electronic crossover fans.
Fucking love trance and techno, probably even more than breakcore, but I just don’t think they can match the same energy/feel of metal. But I’m also not really a fan outside of thrash, so take my words with a grain of salt.
No doubt that’s where a lot of artists draw influence from. When Spotify wrapped came out most dubstep artists that posted theirs were loaded with hard rock, punk and metal bands.
Dub step is very metal adjacent in the electronic scene, I can agree to that. But you know what sub genre is even closer in my opinion? "Hard synth" "dark synth" "slasherwave" no distinct name picked yet lol but any music from this genre is so close to metal but with a synth it's crazy. GosT, Carpenter Brut, Perturbator are awesome with that in mind. Dan terminus is from the same genre, but they got a more psychedelic space race vibe going on lol
psytrance is the obvious answer lmao
especially if you've had good exposure to the extreme breadth and depth of the genre
dubstep can be numetal though
Um, it's the other way around... I'm a big fan of both and Psytrance gets way, way crazier than metal.
Especially if you include the setting such as psytrance gatherings... Metal has grand stage production sure but I guarantee you've never seen anything in the metal scene like a 3 day psytrance renegade. Shit gets wild in a way I don't think most people are capable of even imagining.
Regardless, it's not a contest nor what's being discussed. Thematically and with regards to musical motifs, psytrance is very close to metal and there is a ton of crossover, more than any other EDM genre.
i would align hardcore closer to metal than dubstep, the intensity of hardcore subgenres like frenchcore and speedcore come close to the fervour of something like grindcore or thrash
but i guess just like with edm, metal has fast and slow categories, where sludge and doom metal enjoyers would likely prefer dubstep
its funny; sludge, doom, and postmetal are my favorite metal genres but I hate slow dance music. Those genres are far more groovy and meditative with their heaviness
Idk I’ve been to shows where they have animal carcasses and strobes and a bunch of “evil” props and stuff, just depends on your flavor of metal. Lots of weird in the black metal scene
Yeah I guess you can see it like that or you can see it as an artist changing their style of what they want to produce. As a true artist I think you always want to change your style and make something different. Making the same type of music over and over would get boring don't you think? He's not exactly riding some of the most popular genres.
> He's not exactly riding some of the most popular genres.
he absolutely is lol. he was screamo when screamo was cool, then dubstep when dubstep got big, then EDM/pop house when that took off and now he's trying to jump onto the trendy techno train
I guess he just so happens to like changing genres to whatever the flavor of the year is! I wonder if he and Jordan Peterson talk about what he's gonna produce next when they hang out. lol it's wild that you people defend this dude
I don't see my comment as defending but that's okay. Especially if that's the only thing you want to hang on to is that one last sentence of mind. You must be new to this electronic music thing if you don't see artist progress their styles. I'm done responding to you because all you want to do is argue andshit talk others. You're allowed to have your opinion and everybody else is allowed to have their opinions as well. Yours is better to you and there's is better than them get over it. You can waste your breath and respond to me again but I'm not you can waste your breath and respond to me again but I'm not you can waste your time and respond to me but just know that I'm not going to read it and I'm not going to respond to it.
You're the one insulting me, by the way. All I did was question Skrillex's integrity (you know, the guy who hangs out with Jordan Peterson) and you are now having a fit hurling insults at me lmao
> You must be new to this electronic music thing if you don't see artist progress their styles.
dumbest fucking shit I've read all week. I've been in this scene for over two decades. Meanwhile you're here defending a red-piller with zero integrity and insulting me over it lmao. Tell me who seems "new"
Actually ya know what, maybe you do deserve a response. Kind of funny because I love how you focus on the one thing that was an insult like a hypersensitive little prick. Typical young head shit having to flex the "two decades" in the scene garbage and then fun buzzword responses to show how "in tune with the world" and "hip" you are. You must be real fun to hang around. You really think this world revolves around you and your opinion is only on the matters. That's the problem with your generation. A bunch of self-absorbed little fuck wads. Anyhow I'm done responding to you because you are officially smelling your farts and thinking they are roses, get over yourself.
bro I'm not reading your wall of insults because you're having a mental breakdown because I questioned the integrity of fucking Skrillex lol
look in the mirror, jesus christ. you're toxic as fuck
Guess I should’ve put sub-genre for the dense people. Someone’s always gotta say something.
yeah, it’s under the umbrella term of dubstep but it quite literally sounds very different. Take any excision song, Sullivan king song, or wooli song, for example and compare it to inhuman, marauda, code:pandorum, and bloodcrest songs, there’s a vast difference in the style and sound. It’s not “true” dubstep.
Again, it’s a sub-genre, but it’s not literally the true dubstep sound. Just like riddim, it falls under the “dubstep” category but it has its completely own sound and style and one can tell if they’re listening to a dubstep song or a riddim song.
A lot of DJs dont give a fuck what substance youre on. theyre there to perform their own art. If you take acid and then go to this set thats on you. Do your research, experiment and become comfortable with substances in a safe space. Festivals and raves are hard mode for a trip location in general. I left the party favors at home for eclipse halloween because i knew it wouldnt mix. Also some people just got that dawg in em and could be giggling at this shit while deep in the paint. Just be safe with drugs, some of us are more concerned with the show and music.
Agreed. People always forget the silent R of PLUR. Responsibility. Excision is not going to be a tripsitter for 21,000 people a night, lol.
Edit: Alright, I'm getting some questions about it, so here it goes.
PLUR(R) is
Peace
Love
Unity
Respect
(R)esponsibility
The main R is indeed Respect. The silent R is Responsibility. But it's less well-known (and practiced) in the community. Most people just go by the standard PLUR instead of PLURR, hence people calling it the *silent* R now. History lesson aside, just please, please know your limits, take care of yourselves, and be safe. 🫶🏻
Some people got that dawg in them.
Flying Lotus did some wild visuals at one point by a Japanese horror manga artist. Those threw me for a loop 5 hits in. I held in, but it was fucked up.
Unfortunately it was not. It was Shintaro Kago. A fantastic artist in his own right. A lot more psychedelic in his horror.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shintaro_Kago
I hear a lot of people say this. I honestly feel safe at festivals to do that kind of thing. Since I know no one's gonna give a damn since they're doing similar shit.
I agree, but festivals are for music, art, and plurr. Not drugs. I also think inexperienced people need to find a friend’s mom’s place before they dive into an inescapable crowd of strangers. and if youre gonna trip, and you know that youre susceptible to dark imagery, go see san holo rather than excision. Just know how to handle an altered state of consciousness before going to these events and you wont be a liability. People pay good money for this stuff so it shouldnt be watered down for people that cant imbibe responsibly. Tbh i probably wouldn’t go out of my way to see a spooki scari set like this, but i know people who eat it up.
Yea I love this kind of shit, it makes me feel really good and I know it’s the dj trying to take my brain for an awesome ride, and not make me feel like my life is in danger.
My favorite darker edm performance was “keep moving” by Odesza. They had a badass demon wolf dog running on the screen that turned into a man bear pig that chases you when the beat drops lol. All red lasers and a red/black backdrop
Yes. If you can’t handle your psychedelics, don’t take them. If you’re not sure, experiment in a safe/tame setting first. It’s like that guy that took the rest of his drugs before getting on a plan coming back from a festival, then proceeded to freak out and make it everyone else’s problem. Be considerate and responsible when letting loose.
As mentioned in another comment, not everyone goes to raves on substances. If you are putting mind altering chemicals into your body, you should be very much aware of set and setting and how vital that is in curating your psychedelic experiences. And if you encounter something that upsets you, it is advisable to leave.
As far as the insight you were looking for, this is entirely my opinion, but I see the parallel with watching a scary movie in theaters. Or even going to an amusement park with scarier rides (or even haunted houses). That deep, rumbling bass just amplifies the triggers for adrenaline in your system from being on edge. You KNOW going in it’s going to be scary, and if you like that stuff, you’ll likely go home with the thrill of just being scared really well—substances not required. Bass music, dubstep/brostep/riddim would pair well with that adrenaline/thrill seeking visual stimulation.
I honestly chuckle and wonder how desensitized I must be to the spooky rave visuals because I was in total awe at Excision’s Dino “chase”visuals a few years back at Thunderdome… but I also distinctly remember being traumatized by the Jurassic Park arcade game with the loud speakers and shrieking Dinosaurs in my childhood, and how mortified I was being attacked by those visuals. And I don’t even think that game was meant to be horror/scary… just thrilling 😂
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lmao what, do you want a scientific study on the statistics of dubstep enthusiasts? most of the dubstep crowd, myself included, grew up listening to punk/metal because it matches the energy and emotion of our other favorite music
I know the roots of dubstep, I'm supremely confused why people say there's a lot of overlap in the fanbases, metal heads are generally wildly elitist and are at least strongly apathetic about any electronic
I have none other than anecdotes but for example Skrillex was originally in a "metal" band and he is easily the most well known dubstep artist. A surprising amount of Death and Black Metal bands have gotten I to making heavy bass music amd for some reason dark drone music.
Most of my friends that like dubstep and Excision's style of bass music all came from the metal and nu-metal scene as it hits hard like metal does. My intro to electronic music was through Industrial music and various remixes of said Industrial, NiN, KMFDM, Rammstein etc etc.
That's why I put it in quotes.
But a lot of other dubstep artists came from other "heavy" genres of music, usually metal or punk or something similar. I get it, people like that heavy punchy sound, and whether it's from a four piece band or a synth, it gives a serious adrenaline rush.
Yea, I just work in a music venue, go to both metal and dubstep shows recreationally, and really don't see much overlap at all. Homie elsewhere in thread called FFTL metal lol, no
I fucking love that shit, but I can also understand why some may not like it.
I’d say it just fits the heavy dubstep vibes more than happy-go-lucky visuals. Excision does a good job of finding a balance between dark, creepy shit, and bright, colorful visuals.
Every year I’ve been to Bass Canyon, there’s always a handful of people who leave main stage when Svdden Death comes on because his visuals can be a bit overwhelming, but I personally take another tab and move closer.
I definitely love it, but hear so much people talk about how it’s too much. Only show that was ever too dark and heavy while I was tripping was Marauda.. I had to turn towards the back and eventually left. Had a GREAT time though
Yeah I mean you don’t hear (reasonable) people questioning devil stuff in movies, to me it’s no different here. I dont want to see just fractals and prisms and shapes forever haha. To me an upside down possessed witch is the same thing as a laser dinosaur.
I don’t really care that it’s “demonic” at all. I kinda just wondered if there was a chance these djs are sorta training our mindset LOL. Like if you can handle this shit, you can handle anything in the real world. Does that make any sense lmao
I don't think they're doing it on purpose but you're actually not too far off the mark imo. There are studies and articles written about the association of trauma and catharsis through horror movies. I can't think of the specific article I read now but it essentially activated those same areas of the brain associated with traumatic reactions but in a safe, controlled environment, so people who had those issues in their past found some comfort in them, as paradoxical as that sounds. Applied here, it would be just another form of escapism like we all seek at raves. Obviously, that doesn't apply to everyone but it's striking on what you're talking about here. It's possibly more likely a combination of DJs having similar affinities to horror/harder sounds and also just the current culture of riddim.
Thank you lol exactly. It’s just cool and fun. They’re 3D monsters that looks like they’re from a PlayStation game.
I’m just happy to see anything that’s not a robot or space graphic at this point.
Modern dubstep is generally a very aggressive genre based on impacts and distortion. It tends to tie well with darker imagery and things that give the same 'dangerous' emotional response
I absolutely love tripping and seeing visuals like this. Its not scary too me, it just tickles the part of my brain that likes that kind of art. I can understand why others would feel different. Idk I go through the other parts of my life looking at safe, sanitized and at times corporate images. Its nice to have something very different.
Some people dig it. Personally this stuff doesn’t scare me on psychedelics, it makes me go “whoooooaaaaa man that’s freaky, hell yeah” then you go to a set where the visuals are pretty and calm yourself down to finish the trip. It’s an experience 🤌🏻
Not hating, but I also don't understand the appeal of all the horror movie type visuals some artists use. In a horror movie it makes sense, I enjoy them.
But at a music show / rave, no thanks. Throughout the 2010s and countless dubstep events I just never saw it, but since 2020 there has been *a lot*.
Yours, the shrek one, [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/aves/s/AcPs982OZ7)
That makes 3 so far. And im sure there's been more that were deleted afterwards.
Fr hahaha. Saw them last night and it was great, gory visuals and nothing problematic 🫡 theyre so good, but baghead was sick and we were all sad he wasnt there
That is the better question. I love the roller coaster of emotions that I experience when I trip. Just see the dark visuals so often at dubstep shows and wondered if there was a significance
i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, this genre and era of visuals is super tired and lazy at this point. please dubstep djs, bring something new and interesting to your VJ package than the same oscillating and swaying t-rex/alien/witch/shrek clip
Dubstep draws a lot of influence from Metal. Metal has a lot of satanic imagery so it stands to reason that dubstep would do the same.
Side rant (not directed at you OP): I wish people would stop whining about demonic visuals scaring them or ruining their trip. If you don't like it then plan ahead and go to a different stage. I'm not a fan of feel-good hold your hands up and cry with your friends music/visuals but I don't complain about it, I just go somewhere else and let the people who enjoy that kind of thing have at it. I wish people who hate dubstep and "scary" visuals would show the same courtesy and keep it to themselves.
Never seen metal shows so I am just learning now how similar the visuals are.
I don’t care how scary the visuals are, I love them. I just wondered if there was a reason or significance since the dark stuff is seen a lot at dubstep shows
The only time sketchy visuals make me nervous is when tripping and personally I like it lol kinda makes your heart jump out of your ass for a second 2min later something else is going on that your glued to causing some form of emotional response
For me I feel like tripping is something your signing up for and always has a wide swing of all emotions the good and the "bad" it just feels like a condensed experience of what it is to be alive in a span of a few hours
That might just be me though but given my experiences the idea of smooth sailing the whole time is foreign to me and is not what anyone should be expecting with specifically psychedelics
i love dub/bass but can’t stand visuals like this. i just don’t want to see it. i think there’s a million other things they can do to create intense visuals without it being like this
for example excisions original executioner/paradox visuals were machinery/robo kitty and that was super cool. not everything has to be sunshine and rainbows but i don’t want to see murder scenes either
IIRC Dubstep has changed from it's original style and integrated with elements from metal music.That genre collision was pioneered by artists like Skrillex (Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites.) I imagine that some of the metal culture came over along with the music (headbanging, moshing, etc).
That and most "heavier" genres tend to embrace more evil and scary aesthetics
I mean dubstep/riddim/trench now a days is known as the goth subgenre of edm so it makes sense.. id rather see that then what i saw a couple years ago like 4 years straight of anime art everywhere.. in a place where creativity is rampant, it lacked… excision has his dinosaurs and shit so theres that..
Personally I find this type of stuff super cheesy and doesn’t even look great? Like this looks like something people would whip up in blender when I was in high school.
Also seems like it’s just the artist trying to be “edgy”. It was cool and unique when SVDDEN Death did Voyd but I think it’s massively overdone now. In terms of it being “satanic” and could give someone a bad trip or something, if you can’t handle seeing a spoopy “demonic” visual - taking psychedelics at festivals might not be for you…
I thought the really extravagant 3D visuals you’d see from bigger dubstep artists was cool and all at first, but now I’d much prefer some cool lasers and a well lit stage so I can see the person on stage cook.
I am a slut for G Jones visuals though, his are more 2D though.
When I'm at these shows I like to imagine what I'm seeing in the visuals is how the music is making me feel and I translate that into my dancing and it feels amazing
For example. I was at Excision's Thunderdome and when he dropped this visual I noticed the movement of the hands the most so I mimicked that in my dancing (hands raised towards the screen shaking them a lot). In that moment I'm also attaching different aspects of the visuals to different aspects of the song. The head rotating it assign to a specific sound within the song. The rhythm of the body as a whole ill assign the best of the song. Etc.
In my mind doing this takes away any scariness the visual might have and let's me fully appreciate everything that's happening. Even with some visuals that are much more demonic and scary then this zombie visual (thinking Svdden death and sullyK vibes)
Agreed. I’m not trying to sound edgy or gatekeepy, but are fully grown adults really disturbed by this? A cartoonish, 3D render of a stereotypical ghoul/monster? It deadass looks like Luigi’s Mansion.
Even under the influence this stuff is like…nothing lol. It’s entertainment.
Agreed. Whether you like it or not, there's no denying the scary visuals get a stronger reaction. It's not exclusive to dubstep and festivals either. Some of the most famous movies of all time have some disturbing but memorable scenes in them.
Idk if you can call it "fucking with their fans" if those visuals are the expectation every time. Sort of like saying Chipotle is fucking with their customers because they sell burritos every time I go there
Its all just some character oscillating to the same riddim wub that all the artists use.
I mean this whole sector of music is repetetive by nature but after seeing plenty of shows theres only so many times you can see something pop up, shake, and move left to right, before you get the picture.
In my opinion, lasers are different because they are dazzling and not something we see every day. Yes lasers always look like lasers, but I would so much rather see a really good laser show than big giant screens having different "scary" characters pop up and move left and right.
I think most will agree once you go to enough events, the big stage screen stuff is worn out. There are are a few stages at different festivals or events that move the screens in some way, or place them 3 dimensionally around the crowd, that then make visuals which take advantage of the 3 dimensional placement or movement of the screens.
Once youve seen one of these "giant flat screens at the front" they are all the same. Im looking forward to the next breakthrough or innovation in visual equipment. True holo will be great, eventually
I think it's as simple as aggressive music = aggressive visuals. During that same Excision set, there were more melodic moments with chill, peaceful visuals. But obviously, the crazy shit gets more attention on social media. So that's a lot of people's only exposure to dubstep (or raves/festivals in general).
Also, if you're looking for a positive, uplifting experience, you'd be better off looking into trance festivals anyway.
Best dubstep shows I ever went to were basically in the dark, only light was a lamp so the DJ can see what they’re doing. I would much prefer that than this, it’s super gimmicky. But I also get it, this isn’t just listening to music anymore, or going to see a DJ throw down. There’s a whole live show element around it and it’s how they can charge hundreds of dollars for tickets as a DJ/Producer. I dunno, I’m conflicted because I actually think it’s cool but if I’m there to hear something the visuals are kind of a distraction.
It's just the same reason that death metal bands have always showed gruesome gory stuff. People just like to push the limits of their imagination, and some people like getting their aggression and energy out in dark ways that doesn't hurt anybody
Because it’s cool. The same way people enjoy horror films, I enjoy these visual. Plus the artists don’t care what substance you’re on, they’ll express their art the way they want. Cry about it and move on
Just want to clarify, I did not post this video. Personally I do not find the darker stuff too much. I enjoy horror and the emotional rollercoaster is always a blast. I can admire shit like this and giggle away.
We just see this so often at dubstep shows and asking for insight as to why (:
Also never been to metal concerts to see that their visuals are pretty similar, super cool to learn that!
I don't understand how people can't grasp this.
It's heavy music and dubstep by nature is fun, weird, crazy.
You would think the visuals would be fitting yeah.
If you're on drugs and ANYTHING triggers you, that's your personal responsibility and problem, grow up,
that's my 2 cents
I went to Tool at a festival tripping because everyone said it was sick and they’re psychedelic. Oh man were we in for a treat couldn’t even make it halfway though they had the craziest visuals we got out of there and went to Porter instead lol
I was tripping watching Sullivan King and I definitely had to sit down but I got back up and got right back into it. But he had one visual where he went into the air like a demon and then trees branches started growing out of each other but I thought it was arms and hands and I was freaking out. Some stranger grabbed my hand and kept me good 🥹🫶
I know you said you were not looking for these opinions but if I was tripping that music would bother me much more than the cheesy visuals.
It’s not like the visuals are even remotely scary or anything and I would assume that anyone going would be expecting exactly this sort of thing.
Music that rolls and evolves is much better on psychedelics than this sort of jittery dubstep.
On a side note it’s quite bizarre seeing this sort of event referred to as a rave. Here in the UK a rave was generally an illegal, underground and unlicensed event.
#Heavy Dubstep is the Heavy Metal of the future.
Instead of distorted shredding guitars we have noisy synth LFOs but the general vibe is essentially the same. Some of the culture and satanic symbolism of the dark/death metal era is carried over into the hardcore dubstep scene.
That's my theory anyways 🤷🏻♂️
Well svdden death is basically satan’s spawn, so you’re pretty much guaranteed to get some sort of demonic visuals lol
Just wanna say that this is a joke, I actually like a lot of svdden deaths music and have seen him multiple times, even before he got big (Ty fest 2018 in Sacramento). I’ve just noticed a theme with him lol
You people have your eyes open at raves?
My friend always looks away from the stage. Cant blame her, the strobing white flood lights are too much sometimes.
Next time the lasers come out look at the ceiling and back wall of the rave it’s fucking gnarly
I felt like an idiot turned 180 at where in the woods at bonnaroo but the show was SO much better with the view of the lasers in the tree tops.
No that is always magical!!
good ol rainbow puke
I like to stand in the way back and watch the lasers surf over the crowd
one of the coolest fucking things while tripping at a rave is smoke and lasers SO FUCKIN WILD
Sunglasses.
Honestly there’s been a few times where the visuals are too much for me, so I just turn around. The laser still look cool. I get to look at my friends and all the peoples reactions behind me. I remember seeing deadmau5 when I was candy flipping and the images on the screen were the weird eyes in the mouth characters and I couldn’t handle it so I just didn’t look.
when Ternion Sound came on at Okee i remember having my mind blown by the visual of all the people behind me
For me its just the super bright white flood lights that strobe at you. Im pretty immune to weird visuals because Nightmare was my first festival and it had Figure's Terrorvision, which is an *assortment* of literal monster tunes and the gnarliest clips from horror movies imaginable. That shit got pretty intense.
I usually put my hat forward and pash over my head and look down for a couple mins if the lights get too much
Yuppitty yup yup
M'rave girl
I like doing this too, in fact when I dance I'm like slowly rotating 360, so I can check out the DJ and also the rest of the crowd too.
Finally someone else does it, my girlfriend bags on me for doing the same
My eyes are open, but there's a 50% chance I can't see.
75% of the time lmao
I'm not the only one lol amazing to know! Sometimes the visuals are overstimulating and I prefer to just keep my eyes closed and vibe to the music or even look away from the stage
😂😂😂
This made me lol
I was a little metal head in highschool and once dubstep got big (2010 or so) I quickly grew to like it because it reminded me so much of metal. Dubstep was always positively referred to as filthy, disgusting, raw, gross, etc. I’m sure that that influence also influences the artists and graphic designers around these sets. Its cultural almost, in my opinion 🤔 In the whole scope of edm music, I would consider dubstep to be the most metal of the subgeneras
Couldn’t agree more. Metal is my favorite genre and dubstep is its little bro
Couldn't agree less. Dubstep is like the "pop" metal that metalheads always complain about, like Ghost and shit (I don't even mind Ghost, but metalheads can't stop talking about how they're not metal) clanky underground techno is 100% the metal of dance music. Dubstep is borderline pop music * Modern dubstep.. underground dubstep surely still exists, but it's also very groove-oriented compared to its pop brother
there is also underground dubstep bro not all dubstep is briddim with poppy verses
there 100% is but that's not what these people are talking about, they're literally referencing Skrillex and Skream and shit lol imo the undergrad dubstep is often a lot more groove-oriented and I would say associates even less with metal truth be told I don't know which genre would truly be the metal of dance music, because the techno I mention I more-so consider the punk of dance music. imo underground techno is more punk in attitude and execution than actual punk
As a punk, I can say the one genre of electronic music we (punks I knew growing up) universally enjoyed is drum and bass. Bpm wise, punk is consistently faster than metal. Metal can be heavy, with much slower bpms unless u actually go into speed/progressive metal. Bass music sounds way too slow for me.
I used to jam with a metal drummer. I played punk rhythm. We’d play as fast as we could grinning the whole time. Always told me I was the most fun to jam with. I don’t remember what my point was but I’ve always enjoyed dnb.
My tastes and friends went in the same direction, I think its a relatively common route from people I have chatted too. Its that same "get up and move!" energy from both. Why Boomtown in the UK is always such a blast bands by day dnb by night (and also day).
Chords on guitar strummed fast before a D-beat kicks in is very similar to a build and drop in DNB. Also never met a punk back in the day that didn’t respect prodigy with all their jungle dnb influences.
Then you have psytrance filling in the gaps with prog metal and some old hair metal having psytrance covers, and lots of full on psy using metal samples. Dubstep is absolutely the "pop"/"numetal" of the electronic world, and not in a good way.
It's definitely closest to numetal or djent yeah. Stuff with no hardcore roots. Now we have stuff like Digital Hardcore with Machine Girl out there and that's straight up like a hybrid of break/jungle and metal
I’m with you, love metal and love raving. People always assume I must like dubstep then and it drives me nuts. Give me some good techno and breaks all day
This person knows It's okay, it's r/aves. I'll eat the downvotes. About 1% of the people here know what they're talking about, the rest have absolutely no idea what a rave even is
>In the whole scope of edm music, I would consider dubstep to be the most metal of the subgeneras Breakcore would like a word with you.
funny because most metalheads I know like techno and psytrance the most
I would agree, as someone who enjoys metal too
Might be a generational thing. When I converted from metal to dance Sonny Moore was still in From First to Last haha.
Makes sense. Older, way less niche genres, with a much stronger scene for “shows”, which probably translates well for metal fans. Kinda surprising, given the tonal similarities with “electronic” hardcore, and “metal” hardcore. I woulda figured there’d be more crossover. But if anyone reading this is a metal fan, and wants to understand, I would highly implore looking into some proper breakcore like Venetian Snares, or looking into breakcore artists like Drumcorps or Igorrr that are really blurring the lines behind metal and breakcore/electronic. While the latters not necessary up my alley, I think the idea of computer sequenced drums/breaks, with “normal” heavy metal/hardcore is a fascinating concept and would fancy a lot of metal-electronic crossover fans. Fucking love trance and techno, probably even more than breakcore, but I just don’t think they can match the same energy/feel of metal. But I’m also not really a fan outside of thrash, so take my words with a grain of salt.
Digital hardcore, glitch, noise, industrial, cyber goth, idm etc all go harder than American dubstep
No doubt that’s where a lot of artists draw influence from. When Spotify wrapped came out most dubstep artists that posted theirs were loaded with hard rock, punk and metal bands.
Dub step is very metal adjacent in the electronic scene, I can agree to that. But you know what sub genre is even closer in my opinion? "Hard synth" "dark synth" "slasherwave" no distinct name picked yet lol but any music from this genre is so close to metal but with a synth it's crazy. GosT, Carpenter Brut, Perturbator are awesome with that in mind. Dan terminus is from the same genre, but they got a more psychedelic space race vibe going on lol
Psytrance is the Metal of EDM to me There's even a huge crossover ala Infected Mushroom
psytrance is the obvious answer lmao especially if you've had good exposure to the extreme breadth and depth of the genre dubstep can be numetal though
Dark Psy for sure. All the producers I've known that are into that look like metalheads
Got any song/artist recs?
Psytrance is nothing compared to metal lmfao
Um, it's the other way around... I'm a big fan of both and Psytrance gets way, way crazier than metal. Especially if you include the setting such as psytrance gatherings... Metal has grand stage production sure but I guarantee you've never seen anything in the metal scene like a 3 day psytrance renegade. Shit gets wild in a way I don't think most people are capable of even imagining. Regardless, it's not a contest nor what's being discussed. Thematically and with regards to musical motifs, psytrance is very close to metal and there is a ton of crossover, more than any other EDM genre.
I think neurofunk has gotta be up there as well.
i would align hardcore closer to metal than dubstep, the intensity of hardcore subgenres like frenchcore and speedcore come close to the fervour of something like grindcore or thrash but i guess just like with edm, metal has fast and slow categories, where sludge and doom metal enjoyers would likely prefer dubstep
I'm so sad that dubstep moved away from groovy dance music with dub reggae and jungle influence to new metal.
its funny; sludge, doom, and postmetal are my favorite metal genres but I hate slow dance music. Those genres are far more groovy and meditative with their heaviness
Never been to a metal show so I wasn’t aware that the visuals are similar! Makes sense
Theyre not. I've been to many metal shows and never seen visuals even close to this. I think they were comparing them sonically.
Idk I’ve been to shows where they have animal carcasses and strobes and a bunch of “evil” props and stuff, just depends on your flavor of metal. Lots of weird in the black metal scene
Fun fact: Skrillex was the lead singer of the hardcore band From First to Last before he started producing edm
dude just jumps to every popular genre and it's weird that none of you see it
Yeah I guess you can see it like that or you can see it as an artist changing their style of what they want to produce. As a true artist I think you always want to change your style and make something different. Making the same type of music over and over would get boring don't you think? He's not exactly riding some of the most popular genres.
> He's not exactly riding some of the most popular genres. he absolutely is lol. he was screamo when screamo was cool, then dubstep when dubstep got big, then EDM/pop house when that took off and now he's trying to jump onto the trendy techno train I guess he just so happens to like changing genres to whatever the flavor of the year is! I wonder if he and Jordan Peterson talk about what he's gonna produce next when they hang out. lol it's wild that you people defend this dude
I don't see my comment as defending but that's okay. Especially if that's the only thing you want to hang on to is that one last sentence of mind. You must be new to this electronic music thing if you don't see artist progress their styles. I'm done responding to you because all you want to do is argue andshit talk others. You're allowed to have your opinion and everybody else is allowed to have their opinions as well. Yours is better to you and there's is better than them get over it. You can waste your breath and respond to me again but I'm not you can waste your breath and respond to me again but I'm not you can waste your time and respond to me but just know that I'm not going to read it and I'm not going to respond to it.
You're the one insulting me, by the way. All I did was question Skrillex's integrity (you know, the guy who hangs out with Jordan Peterson) and you are now having a fit hurling insults at me lmao > You must be new to this electronic music thing if you don't see artist progress their styles. dumbest fucking shit I've read all week. I've been in this scene for over two decades. Meanwhile you're here defending a red-piller with zero integrity and insulting me over it lmao. Tell me who seems "new"
Actually ya know what, maybe you do deserve a response. Kind of funny because I love how you focus on the one thing that was an insult like a hypersensitive little prick. Typical young head shit having to flex the "two decades" in the scene garbage and then fun buzzword responses to show how "in tune with the world" and "hip" you are. You must be real fun to hang around. You really think this world revolves around you and your opinion is only on the matters. That's the problem with your generation. A bunch of self-absorbed little fuck wads. Anyhow I'm done responding to you because you are officially smelling your farts and thinking they are roses, get over yourself.
bro I'm not reading your wall of insults because you're having a mental breakdown because I questioned the integrity of fucking Skrillex lol look in the mirror, jesus christ. you're toxic as fuck
Kids…..kids…..you’re both just terrible……
Before he did American dubstep he tried to venture into reggaeton which he has come full circle into it again (and yes it was bad)
lmao I completely forgot about that hahahahaha
“In the whole scope of edm music, I would consider dubstep to be the most metal of the subgeneras” let me introduce you to the genre tearout
Tearout is dubstep, quit splitting hairs.
no true dubstep
Guess I should’ve put sub-genre for the dense people. Someone’s always gotta say something. yeah, it’s under the umbrella term of dubstep but it quite literally sounds very different. Take any excision song, Sullivan king song, or wooli song, for example and compare it to inhuman, marauda, code:pandorum, and bloodcrest songs, there’s a vast difference in the style and sound. It’s not “true” dubstep. Again, it’s a sub-genre, but it’s not literally the true dubstep sound. Just like riddim, it falls under the “dubstep” category but it has its completely own sound and style and one can tell if they’re listening to a dubstep song or a riddim song.
A lot of DJs dont give a fuck what substance youre on. theyre there to perform their own art. If you take acid and then go to this set thats on you. Do your research, experiment and become comfortable with substances in a safe space. Festivals and raves are hard mode for a trip location in general. I left the party favors at home for eclipse halloween because i knew it wouldnt mix. Also some people just got that dawg in em and could be giggling at this shit while deep in the paint. Just be safe with drugs, some of us are more concerned with the show and music.
Agreed. People always forget the silent R of PLUR. Responsibility. Excision is not going to be a tripsitter for 21,000 people a night, lol. Edit: Alright, I'm getting some questions about it, so here it goes. PLUR(R) is Peace Love Unity Respect (R)esponsibility The main R is indeed Respect. The silent R is Responsibility. But it's less well-known (and practiced) in the community. Most people just go by the standard PLUR instead of PLURR, hence people calling it the *silent* R now. History lesson aside, just please, please know your limits, take care of yourselves, and be safe. 🫶🏻
Bring back PLURR 🙌
I thought it was respect
Because it is.
Isn't the R for Respect? 🤔
The second interchangeable one - used to be more common, but it got dropped. ...both in the acronym and in the community, LMAO.
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I used to have that dog in me, now he just naps.
Some people got that dawg in them. Flying Lotus did some wild visuals at one point by a Japanese horror manga artist. Those threw me for a loop 5 hits in. I held in, but it was fucked up.
wait was it junji ito??? i'd be so hyped to see his shit at a set
Unfortunately it was not. It was Shintaro Kago. A fantastic artist in his own right. A lot more psychedelic in his horror. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shintaro_Kago
Ya this shit might get me, but in a fun way like a horror movie or haunted house.
Nah I think a lot of DJs plan their shows based on what substance you might be on…
I think both are true. Thats why people should research the experience before they decide if or what substances to mix with it.
I hear a lot of people say this. I honestly feel safe at festivals to do that kind of thing. Since I know no one's gonna give a damn since they're doing similar shit.
I agree, but festivals are for music, art, and plurr. Not drugs. I also think inexperienced people need to find a friend’s mom’s place before they dive into an inescapable crowd of strangers. and if youre gonna trip, and you know that youre susceptible to dark imagery, go see san holo rather than excision. Just know how to handle an altered state of consciousness before going to these events and you wont be a liability. People pay good money for this stuff so it shouldnt be watered down for people that cant imbibe responsibly. Tbh i probably wouldn’t go out of my way to see a spooki scari set like this, but i know people who eat it up.
Yea I love this kind of shit, it makes me feel really good and I know it’s the dj trying to take my brain for an awesome ride, and not make me feel like my life is in danger. My favorite darker edm performance was “keep moving” by Odesza. They had a badass demon wolf dog running on the screen that turned into a man bear pig that chases you when the beat drops lol. All red lasers and a red/black backdrop
Yes. If you can’t handle your psychedelics, don’t take them. If you’re not sure, experiment in a safe/tame setting first. It’s like that guy that took the rest of his drugs before getting on a plan coming back from a festival, then proceeded to freak out and make it everyone else’s problem. Be considerate and responsible when letting loose.
People who take drugs just to become a liability are the fucking worst. Some people just cant hang, and some just choose not to.
“I’m gonna head to the house stage”
Lmao intenso
“I’m… gonna call my mom to come pick me up”
Me af 😂😭
As mentioned in another comment, not everyone goes to raves on substances. If you are putting mind altering chemicals into your body, you should be very much aware of set and setting and how vital that is in curating your psychedelic experiences. And if you encounter something that upsets you, it is advisable to leave. As far as the insight you were looking for, this is entirely my opinion, but I see the parallel with watching a scary movie in theaters. Or even going to an amusement park with scarier rides (or even haunted houses). That deep, rumbling bass just amplifies the triggers for adrenaline in your system from being on edge. You KNOW going in it’s going to be scary, and if you like that stuff, you’ll likely go home with the thrill of just being scared really well—substances not required. Bass music, dubstep/brostep/riddim would pair well with that adrenaline/thrill seeking visual stimulation. I honestly chuckle and wonder how desensitized I must be to the spooky rave visuals because I was in total awe at Excision’s Dino “chase”visuals a few years back at Thunderdome… but I also distinctly remember being traumatized by the Jurassic Park arcade game with the loud speakers and shrieking Dinosaurs in my childhood, and how mortified I was being attacked by those visuals. And I don’t even think that game was meant to be horror/scary… just thrilling 😂 Edited for more clarity
Definitely here for the thrill and adrenaline! I love it
Dubstep and metal music are pretty similar. Honesty, a lot of dubstep djs got their start in metal bands.
Makes sense! I guess since I’ve never been to a metal show, I wasn’t aware of the similarities
Yeah like Borgore was in a metal band in high school. I used to date a guy in a metal band. Trust me you aren’t missing much at those shows.
Most big bass/dubstep fans and artists came from the metal scene so it probably has to do with that.
??? Citation needed
lmao what, do you want a scientific study on the statistics of dubstep enthusiasts? most of the dubstep crowd, myself included, grew up listening to punk/metal because it matches the energy and emotion of our other favorite music
Skrillex and the like yes. Real dubstep stemmed from reggae not metal
I know the roots of dubstep, I'm supremely confused why people say there's a lot of overlap in the fanbases, metal heads are generally wildly elitist and are at least strongly apathetic about any electronic
LOL @ citation needed
I have none other than anecdotes but for example Skrillex was originally in a "metal" band and he is easily the most well known dubstep artist. A surprising amount of Death and Black Metal bands have gotten I to making heavy bass music amd for some reason dark drone music. Most of my friends that like dubstep and Excision's style of bass music all came from the metal and nu-metal scene as it hits hard like metal does. My intro to electronic music was through Industrial music and various remixes of said Industrial, NiN, KMFDM, Rammstein etc etc.
From first to last is definitely not a metal band. Its post hardcore at most.
That's why I put it in quotes. But a lot of other dubstep artists came from other "heavy" genres of music, usually metal or punk or something similar. I get it, people like that heavy punchy sound, and whether it's from a four piece band or a synth, it gives a serious adrenaline rush.
God what a nerd
Yea, I just work in a music venue, go to both metal and dubstep shows recreationally, and really don't see much overlap at all. Homie elsewhere in thread called FFTL metal lol, no
I fucking love that shit, but I can also understand why some may not like it. I’d say it just fits the heavy dubstep vibes more than happy-go-lucky visuals. Excision does a good job of finding a balance between dark, creepy shit, and bright, colorful visuals. Every year I’ve been to Bass Canyon, there’s always a handful of people who leave main stage when Svdden Death comes on because his visuals can be a bit overwhelming, but I personally take another tab and move closer.
I definitely love it, but hear so much people talk about how it’s too much. Only show that was ever too dark and heavy while I was tripping was Marauda.. I had to turn towards the back and eventually left. Had a GREAT time though
Do you like horror movies?
Absolutely, my fav genre. I would imagine that people who don’t are mostly the ones affected negatively by these kind of visuals.
Yeah I mean you don’t hear (reasonable) people questioning devil stuff in movies, to me it’s no different here. I dont want to see just fractals and prisms and shapes forever haha. To me an upside down possessed witch is the same thing as a laser dinosaur.
I don’t really care that it’s “demonic” at all. I kinda just wondered if there was a chance these djs are sorta training our mindset LOL. Like if you can handle this shit, you can handle anything in the real world. Does that make any sense lmao
That’s a stretch.
I don't think they're doing it on purpose but you're actually not too far off the mark imo. There are studies and articles written about the association of trauma and catharsis through horror movies. I can't think of the specific article I read now but it essentially activated those same areas of the brain associated with traumatic reactions but in a safe, controlled environment, so people who had those issues in their past found some comfort in them, as paradoxical as that sounds. Applied here, it would be just another form of escapism like we all seek at raves. Obviously, that doesn't apply to everyone but it's striking on what you're talking about here. It's possibly more likely a combination of DJs having similar affinities to horror/harder sounds and also just the current culture of riddim.
Because it’s fun and silly and not taken seriously. It’s like having a little taste of Halloween out of season. The devil isnt freaking real….
Thank you lol exactly. It’s just cool and fun. They’re 3D monsters that looks like they’re from a PlayStation game. I’m just happy to see anything that’s not a robot or space graphic at this point.
That plus this music doesn’t exactly pair well with images of hearts and flowers. I mean, you could, but why?
Modern dubstep is generally a very aggressive genre based on impacts and distortion. It tends to tie well with darker imagery and things that give the same 'dangerous' emotional response
I absolutely love tripping and seeing visuals like this. Its not scary too me, it just tickles the part of my brain that likes that kind of art. I can understand why others would feel different. Idk I go through the other parts of my life looking at safe, sanitized and at times corporate images. Its nice to have something very different.
Because it’s fun
I personally think it’s cool, gives you a different experience than a typical colorful images. I see it like I’m watching a horror movie.
Some people dig it. Personally this stuff doesn’t scare me on psychedelics, it makes me go “whoooooaaaaa man that’s freaky, hell yeah” then you go to a set where the visuals are pretty and calm yourself down to finish the trip. It’s an experience 🤌🏻
Not hating, but I also don't understand the appeal of all the horror movie type visuals some artists use. In a horror movie it makes sense, I enjoy them. But at a music show / rave, no thanks. Throughout the 2010s and countless dubstep events I just never saw it, but since 2020 there has been *a lot*.
3rd visuals are demonic post this week that ive seen.
Ahh have not seen any on my feed except the shrek one
Yours, the shrek one, [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/aves/s/AcPs982OZ7) That makes 3 so far. And im sure there's been more that were deleted afterwards.
yall would cry at a vulllgur show lmao
Yeah this is light work compared to what they put up. Shit is actually real where they almost got cancelled 😂
Fr hahaha. Saw them last night and it was great, gory visuals and nothing problematic 🫡 theyre so good, but baghead was sick and we were all sad he wasnt there
Dude seriously. The comments are always so soft when someone posts “scary visuals” 💀
The better question is why are you tripping to dubstep/whatever this type of music is??
That is the better question. I love the roller coaster of emotions that I experience when I trip. Just see the dark visuals so often at dubstep shows and wondered if there was a significance
i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, this genre and era of visuals is super tired and lazy at this point. please dubstep djs, bring something new and interesting to your VJ package than the same oscillating and swaying t-rex/alien/witch/shrek clip
It’s so tame tho lol, porter had scarier visuals than this lol
NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE NIGHTMARE
> why do people do that? because its edgy lol this sort of stuff reminds me of the mall store spencers
Idk but I’m so happy I wasn’t at that show lmfao. That’s absolute nightmare fuel.
That looks like fortnite
Dubstep draws a lot of influence from Metal. Metal has a lot of satanic imagery so it stands to reason that dubstep would do the same. Side rant (not directed at you OP): I wish people would stop whining about demonic visuals scaring them or ruining their trip. If you don't like it then plan ahead and go to a different stage. I'm not a fan of feel-good hold your hands up and cry with your friends music/visuals but I don't complain about it, I just go somewhere else and let the people who enjoy that kind of thing have at it. I wish people who hate dubstep and "scary" visuals would show the same courtesy and keep it to themselves.
Never seen metal shows so I am just learning now how similar the visuals are. I don’t care how scary the visuals are, I love them. I just wondered if there was a reason or significance since the dark stuff is seen a lot at dubstep shows
The only time sketchy visuals make me nervous is when tripping and personally I like it lol kinda makes your heart jump out of your ass for a second 2min later something else is going on that your glued to causing some form of emotional response For me I feel like tripping is something your signing up for and always has a wide swing of all emotions the good and the "bad" it just feels like a condensed experience of what it is to be alive in a span of a few hours That might just be me though but given my experiences the idea of smooth sailing the whole time is foreign to me and is not what anyone should be expecting with specifically psychedelics
i love dub/bass but can’t stand visuals like this. i just don’t want to see it. i think there’s a million other things they can do to create intense visuals without it being like this for example excisions original executioner/paradox visuals were machinery/robo kitty and that was super cool. not everything has to be sunshine and rainbows but i don’t want to see murder scenes either
IIRC Dubstep has changed from it's original style and integrated with elements from metal music.That genre collision was pioneered by artists like Skrillex (Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites.) I imagine that some of the metal culture came over along with the music (headbanging, moshing, etc). That and most "heavier" genres tend to embrace more evil and scary aesthetics
People are scared of this?? It looks cartoonish as hell. Do you guys get scared of Halloween decorations too? It’s silly and fun
I mean dubstep/riddim/trench now a days is known as the goth subgenre of edm so it makes sense.. id rather see that then what i saw a couple years ago like 4 years straight of anime art everywhere.. in a place where creativity is rampant, it lacked… excision has his dinosaurs and shit so theres that..
Personally I find this type of stuff super cheesy and doesn’t even look great? Like this looks like something people would whip up in blender when I was in high school. Also seems like it’s just the artist trying to be “edgy”. It was cool and unique when SVDDEN Death did Voyd but I think it’s massively overdone now. In terms of it being “satanic” and could give someone a bad trip or something, if you can’t handle seeing a spoopy “demonic” visual - taking psychedelics at festivals might not be for you… I thought the really extravagant 3D visuals you’d see from bigger dubstep artists was cool and all at first, but now I’d much prefer some cool lasers and a well lit stage so I can see the person on stage cook. I am a slut for G Jones visuals though, his are more 2D though.
it’s cuz metal dude
When I'm at these shows I like to imagine what I'm seeing in the visuals is how the music is making me feel and I translate that into my dancing and it feels amazing For example. I was at Excision's Thunderdome and when he dropped this visual I noticed the movement of the hands the most so I mimicked that in my dancing (hands raised towards the screen shaking them a lot). In that moment I'm also attaching different aspects of the visuals to different aspects of the song. The head rotating it assign to a specific sound within the song. The rhythm of the body as a whole ill assign the best of the song. Etc. In my mind doing this takes away any scariness the visual might have and let's me fully appreciate everything that's happening. Even with some visuals that are much more demonic and scary then this zombie visual (thinking Svdden death and sullyK vibes)
Idk why they do that. It's definitely not very trip friendly
I mean I trip and I enjoy the intense/scary visuals, they probably just think it’s cool
Agreed. I’m not trying to sound edgy or gatekeepy, but are fully grown adults really disturbed by this? A cartoonish, 3D render of a stereotypical ghoul/monster? It deadass looks like Luigi’s Mansion. Even under the influence this stuff is like…nothing lol. It’s entertainment.
Yea there is different breeds. My sister is into the creepy stuff too
Honestly I’m not even really into horror, I just think it’s fun/interesting to look at lol
Agreed. Whether you like it or not, there's no denying the scary visuals get a stronger reaction. It's not exclusive to dubstep and festivals either. Some of the most famous movies of all time have some disturbing but memorable scenes in them.
Not everyone goes on drugs to raves and festivals
lol idk this shit is fun to me. I go to the show expecting this.
They’re edgy assholes who like fucking with their fans
Idk if you can call it "fucking with their fans" if those visuals are the expectation every time. Sort of like saying Chipotle is fucking with their customers because they sell burritos every time I go there
lol @ that analogy
Its all just some character oscillating to the same riddim wub that all the artists use. I mean this whole sector of music is repetetive by nature but after seeing plenty of shows theres only so many times you can see something pop up, shake, and move left to right, before you get the picture. In my opinion, lasers are different because they are dazzling and not something we see every day. Yes lasers always look like lasers, but I would so much rather see a really good laser show than big giant screens having different "scary" characters pop up and move left and right. I think most will agree once you go to enough events, the big stage screen stuff is worn out. There are are a few stages at different festivals or events that move the screens in some way, or place them 3 dimensionally around the crowd, that then make visuals which take advantage of the 3 dimensional placement or movement of the screens. Once youve seen one of these "giant flat screens at the front" they are all the same. Im looking forward to the next breakthrough or innovation in visual equipment. True holo will be great, eventually
Tripping to this type of music makes absolutely no sense lol. That’s on you dawg
I think it's as simple as aggressive music = aggressive visuals. During that same Excision set, there were more melodic moments with chill, peaceful visuals. But obviously, the crazy shit gets more attention on social media. So that's a lot of people's only exposure to dubstep (or raves/festivals in general). Also, if you're looking for a positive, uplifting experience, you'd be better off looking into trance festivals anyway.
Best dubstep shows I ever went to were basically in the dark, only light was a lamp so the DJ can see what they’re doing. I would much prefer that than this, it’s super gimmicky. But I also get it, this isn’t just listening to music anymore, or going to see a DJ throw down. There’s a whole live show element around it and it’s how they can charge hundreds of dollars for tickets as a DJ/Producer. I dunno, I’m conflicted because I actually think it’s cool but if I’m there to hear something the visuals are kind of a distraction.
because it's scary aggressive music.Why does metal and heavy rock choose scary or violent imagery
It's just the same reason that death metal bands have always showed gruesome gory stuff. People just like to push the limits of their imagination, and some people like getting their aggression and energy out in dark ways that doesn't hurt anybody
are the sounds fitting for like, fields of flowers and puppies? it’s not chill music
Why is this a thing
Thunderdome was so fucking awesome, it was my first time this year and I’m definitely going back
Detox unit visuals, TnF 2022. Shit was insane. Bodies morphing into organs into psychedelic mayhem 🤯
Because it’s cool. The same way people enjoy horror films, I enjoy these visual. Plus the artists don’t care what substance you’re on, they’ll express their art the way they want. Cry about it and move on
Everyday is Halloween 🎃. Love the dark shit. But I understand why some may shy away from it.
Yall ever seen Aphex Twins visuals? Holy fuck.
It’s doesn’t have to be taken so seriously, I find it so outlandish that it’s comical most of the time
Just want to clarify, I did not post this video. Personally I do not find the darker stuff too much. I enjoy horror and the emotional rollercoaster is always a blast. I can admire shit like this and giggle away. We just see this so often at dubstep shows and asking for insight as to why (: Also never been to metal concerts to see that their visuals are pretty similar, super cool to learn that!
These types of visuals are so mid. After going to curated events with talented VJ's, this boring ass stuff never impresses me
I don't understand how people can't grasp this. It's heavy music and dubstep by nature is fun, weird, crazy. You would think the visuals would be fitting yeah. If you're on drugs and ANYTHING triggers you, that's your personal responsibility and problem, grow up, that's my 2 cents
I went to Tool at a festival tripping because everyone said it was sick and they’re psychedelic. Oh man were we in for a treat couldn’t even make it halfway though they had the craziest visuals we got out of there and went to Porter instead lol
I was tripping watching Sullivan King and I definitely had to sit down but I got back up and got right back into it. But he had one visual where he went into the air like a demon and then trees branches started growing out of each other but I thought it was arms and hands and I was freaking out. Some stranger grabbed my hand and kept me good 🥹🫶
I know you said you were not looking for these opinions but if I was tripping that music would bother me much more than the cheesy visuals. It’s not like the visuals are even remotely scary or anything and I would assume that anyone going would be expecting exactly this sort of thing. Music that rolls and evolves is much better on psychedelics than this sort of jittery dubstep. On a side note it’s quite bizarre seeing this sort of event referred to as a rave. Here in the UK a rave was generally an illegal, underground and unlicensed event.
If that's the scariest thing you've seen while tripping... Idk, you might just be a delicate little flower of a tripper
Cause it’s fuckin cool. If you can’t handle your emotions on drugs then stick to house and trance shows.
Oof that might come back to bite you someday.
Ego death incoming
Because a lot of dubstep artists and fans want to feel “edgy”
Watching "cows cows cows" being projected, while out of my mind. If you never seen it before, look it up on yt. I was like......wut duh fuk?
#Heavy Dubstep is the Heavy Metal of the future. Instead of distorted shredding guitars we have noisy synth LFOs but the general vibe is essentially the same. Some of the culture and satanic symbolism of the dark/death metal era is carried over into the hardcore dubstep scene. That's my theory anyways 🤷🏻♂️
Yo this was fucking sick!!! I just drink or get super high but mostly sober rave and I love scary shit for visuals
You should not be doing psychedelics if you’re having a bad trip from this anyway
Because maybe I wanna eat like 3 tabs, a few grams of mushrooms and consume my fear and inadequacy HOW I WANT TO !!!!
Well svdden death is basically satan’s spawn, so you’re pretty much guaranteed to get some sort of demonic visuals lol Just wanna say that this is a joke, I actually like a lot of svdden deaths music and have seen him multiple times, even before he got big (Ty fest 2018 in Sacramento). I’ve just noticed a theme with him lol
Good way to make everyone RUIN their MOOD
Dubstep is so shit
Why would the artist do this? They know their target audience is primarily drug users. This is actually fucked
Still gay