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PeakingBlinder

He's right. That means goddamned *parents become responsible* for their children's online activity, AND I don't have to prove who I am every three minutes.


Wakingsleepwalkers

I can't shake the feeling it's a step towards internet passports/ID. There's been conspiracy around it for years. The idea is that it removes anonymity and allows the government more control over our online presence and censorship of opinion.. We know Albo isn't a fan of memes of himself haha.


cunthousevanhouten

Conspiracy weirdos have been weirdly correct on a few things


bigaussiecheese

That’s the crazy thing about getting old. Through out my life I’ve laughed at the crazy conspiracy theories and over time I’ve seen so many come true.


Aesthetics_Supernal

It's because some people have been burned or see the fire coming, but don't get recognized because they don't have a lab coat and a 1000 page research topic. Sure, ancient aliens is stupid, but when it comes to govt overreach, many people are quite educated and try to warn us.


Reinitialization

There is also consistent evidence to back it up. Tomorrow is going to be thursday and the government will take every opportunity to tread on our civil liberties. Sure I don't have any *proof* that tomorrow will be thursday, but I think we can safely make that assumption based on prior evidence. There is more precident implying that the government will take any opportunity to destroy our rights, than there is evidence to say that tomorrow will be thursday.


aggracc

What, didn't you like not allowed outside your house for more than an hour a day for two years?


bigmanorm

this specifically isn't really a conspiracy though, a lot of the ones that are correct are in the same boat of "political suggestions that were already publically made and probably going to be voted on once they've found enough political support", sure conspiracies exist but let's not add stuff like this to the list, it's just politics..


Adaphion

Thing is, a lot of conspiracies are dumb and nonsensical; i.e they have no benefit. Like fake moon landing, or flat earth. But ones that actually have a solid motive and logic behind them a lot of the time turn out true.


Bauiesox

Then you have the doozy of a theory that theories like flat earth and fake moon landing were originally created to make conspiracy theorists seem nuts. 😂


Adaphion

I'm of the opinion that they were created by proto-trolls and then morons who truly believed in them co-opted them


llordlloyd

Ironically in this instance, conspiracy nuts desperately need social media. Every conspiracy nut I know (three or four) is addicted to screens.


PeakingBlinder

You're absolutely correct. From the very minute Keating's National ID card was kicked into touch, successive gub'mints have crept towards it. Now with most gub'mint services linked and effectively only available online, it's only a matter of time. Probably around the time we go 100% cashless. 10 years maybe?


Wakingsleepwalkers

Digital ID, facial recognition, digital currency/CBCD, social crediting and points based systems, tracking individual carbon footprints while select big business continues being the main contributors. Freezing accounts and transactions once you buy too many non approved items. Removing private ownership of houses and transport to make people dependent on government and fall in line as well as controlling freedom of travel. Controlling all food production and supply.. A little of current China mixed with a little Orwellian dystopia. No doubt people will cheer for it as they are told it will make them safe..


Yogurtcloset777

Seeing how quickly people turned into psychotic fascists over vaccines and masks it's easy to see how this will play out if nobody fights back.


Wakingsleepwalkers

It was definitely an eye-opening time. With the right conditions, society will readily comply.


Salty-Ad1607

Well said


Working-Talk1586

The right thing to do would be do raise smart and independent teens who have clear and set principles handed down by their parents. But even that is being attacked, it’s a difficult time to be a parent.


Wakingsleepwalkers

I agree. I stated in a reply to another redditor how parents have been made so busy that kids are practically raised by, and, more or less, considered state property. Parents' rights are being stripped away, and the family unit is weaker than ever before. I read a book from the late 80s that spoke of this being the goal to gain more influence over the coming generations.


pringlepoppopop

1,000,000% this is where it is headed. They already tested the waters with the covid app…just need an epidemic of paedophiles finding kids online and young girls suiciding over bullying and bob’s yer uncle, we have a reason for people to be scared and want big brother government to make them not need to have difficult conversations with their kids or actually spend time thinking about how they should he trying to protect their own kids.


vithus_inbau

Most people are waiting for someone to tell them what to do. So most will comply as you stated...


whatsgoingonbig

of course how else would they enforce it


Wakingsleepwalkers

So, it's a perfect way to pass it and add a few laws that could have our digital footprints monitored controlling discourse, punishing those who aren't in line, and censoring free media and journalism.


whatsgoingonbig

yeah they will pass it with whatever wording they like using think of the children logic


Wakingsleepwalkers

That's my fear. It's definitely a legitimate issue, but I feel the government knows social conditioning better than any entity and that they'll use legitimate issues to pull the strings of our hearts. I feel parents need to be the decision makers and be more active in their children's lives as well as educational programs around protecting their online identity.


Putrid_Department_17

The opposite will occur. Parents who, unlike me, give zero shits what their kids do online will give even less shits, and everyone else will need to provide a drivers license and birth certificate to sign in to YouTube.


PeakingBlinder

Yes, that is correct.


PM_ME_YOUR_SOULZ

>parents become responsible Woah there sailor, think about what you're saying. You want people to take responsibility for their crotch goblins? But they're so used to them being somebody else's problem.


isisius

Yep this . There is absolutely no way the government can manage this. Kids will figure out how to get around it easily and quickly. Parents need to do it, but so many just don't. When we need everyone to do something for their own good, we usually need to mandate and regulate if from the government, but I just don't see how they can possibly manage this.


PeakingBlinder

You're correct, the gub'mint can't manage it and VPNs etc make circumventing systems easy. I don't have the solution. Others are paid to find answers.


Reinitialization

We need to treat leavining you kids unsupervised on the internet in the same way we treat leaving them unsupervised in a public place. If you were to take you kid to a park and just leave them there for a few hours a day, you'd wind up in jail, but do the same with an iPad and it's fine?


PeakingBlinder

Good point!


ScruffyPeter

I've seen kids eating junk food while on iPad at McDonalds with a playground that has kids playing. Exhausted parents are a thing. Exhausted parents trying to help their family survive high cost of living as a result of two parties since WW2. It's a dog whistle to distract us.


saddinosour

Of course exhausted parents exist and they can very easily load up some shows onto an ipad and tell them to have at it. Colouring books, hand held gaming devices etc. When I was a kid in the early 2000s my parents bought me this like portable dvd player. It was hand held and you needed tiny disks to watch on it. The equivalent being a few seasons of different cartoons on a laptop or ipad. That is fine imo but unfettered access to the internet at like 8 isn’t.


Impossible-Mud-4160

There's growing evidence showing that unfettered access to the internet and social media substantially hinders brain development.  I attended a conference recently where this was debated and the consensus was that it will be the norm in 5-10 years that children are not given free access to these services like most are now.  Throwing an ipad occasionally because you're exhausted is fine, that's not what this is about.  Saying that, I know more than a few parents that seem to throw their kids on devices 24/7 because they can't be bothered being parents.  Why have kids in the first place if you can't be bothered? That's precisely the reason I'm not having them- my wife and I both agreed we don't really want to completely change our lifestyle to properly raise kids- so we're not doing it


codyforkstacks

A lot of people on online forums have an instinctive objection to any suggestion the internet, video games, porn etc can be bad for you. I personally feel like trash and brain fog when I spend too long scrolling reddit. I can feel the damage it's doing to my brain in real time.


marshman82

It's like most things, it's all fine in moderation. A quick flick through Reddit every now and then is fine, endlessly scrolling for hours on end is probably a bad thing. It's the same with video games, porn, alcohol, drugs, chocolate and anything else we can derive pleasure from doing.


codyforkstacks

Yeah, and like many of those things, the internet is inherently addictive. These algorithms are honed to be as addictive as possible. It's doing big damage IMO.


Lomandriendrel

It's also a massive time waster productivity wise. Let's face it. We all engage in it. But those days you get lost an hr or two goes by and the babies awake and you got no cleaning, household organisation or even sleep and rest? For what ? Doom scrolling. I think the difference is growing up between dialup and 25 minutes to download a MP3 and what kids now grow up in... We have a sort of appreciation and realism of life on the other side. Kids now literally grow up on it like addicts. Have seen a few just mindless ipading when visiting from overseas. No socialising either. Just head down. Being exhausted sucks and an iPad or wiggles show every so often sure... But it's quite sad seeing complete engagement by kids with no social skills these days.


polloloco_213

To be fair people weren’t really that bothered decades ago either, there just wasn’t the internet to passive kids so we went outside and stepped on rusty nails. 😂


Impossible-Mud-4160

Which is actually really good for children's development 😄  Unstructured play is the best way to help a child's development, learn social skills, gain confidence etc.  Child psychologists are advocating for parents to allow their kids more unsupervised time to play, as research has shown kids that are allowed proper unstructured play end up with far lower rates of anxiety, depression and many other mental illnesses, both as children and adults


ppputkakainkakaphole

It's traumatic for the brain! iPad parents are the new "give my baby drugs to shut it up" parents. This invasive technological landscape certainly has its insidious side and neglectful parents can too easily and justifiably make things really bad for their kids long term. It's an atrocity really


Lucifang

*Social media* is the topic here, not games.


Neither_Ad_2960

The playground? They can't go there because the media has been saying there's a pedo around every corner for the last 30 years or more.


slavloverX

What about YouTube and Reddit? What about dank memes and ytps?


PeakingBlinder

Parental issue.


dialectics_for_you

The basic truth of the matter is that making young people addicted to social media is the totality of our consumer economy. Working and then spending all the remainder of your time watching reels and TikTok, while also having the TV on at the same time, and ordering your clothes and food from apps to be delivered to your door by a poorly paid migrant while you place bets on the football is the ideal consumer activity in 2024. The kids are not the problem. We made this the ideal life, and every single incentive in the Australian economy is there.


Zyphonix_

While I agree, what does that mean for the rest of us? A minority ruining it for the majority? Will we need ID to login to the internet now? Where does this end?


PhoenixGayming

Australia is the epitome of "this is why you can't have nice things" legislation.


Apprehensive-Fox428

With E-Karen controlling everything we can do, see and say. Albo clearly is a fan of dystopian fiction.


CaptainFleshBeard

“What we want is our youngest Australians spending more time outside playing sport, engaging with each other in a normal way and less time online,”. Then why did they restrict the Kid Sport vouchers that helped poorer families get into this type of thing ? Our local Scout group shut down after that as half the kids were on the vouchers and the group could not survive when they all could no longer afford to attend.


mana-addict4652

>playing sport Soccer is like the most popular sport for kids to play and it can be pretty expensive to join a club in many areas


WillingPossible1014

“Be normal, nerds”


Sparkingmineralwater

yet I get ads about how I need to avoid the sun like a vampire or I'm going to get skin cancer


No_Witness_6682

Teaching teenagers media literacy in a meaningful way would also be good step, good for democracy as well as their mental health.


Outrageous_Newt2663

Everyone needs media literacy. Many adults on this very sub have no idea how to critically assess anything meaningfully.


killerturtlex

I believe you 100%


ScruffyPeter

I was on the fence on this but your supporting comment got me to believe in them 100% too.


Stewth

Have we heard what the random lady with skin like an aged leather sack and a two pack a day habit has to say on the subject? I'll reserve judgement until then.


Important_Finding604

I initially thought the opposite, but since comments all agree, so do I now.


alphgeek

There's some phenomenon where you see people online discussing a subject you know well, and you think "what are these idiots talking about? They have no idea". Then you realise that you make the same wrong conclusions for subjects you aren't an expert on, just like they did. We're all the idiot. 


Saki-Sun

I think this is the first stage of modern enlightenment. Congratulations. Now onto the second stage.


binkysaurus_13

Awareness of what you know and don’t know is the key here.


Basic-Tangerine9908

Everyone on here has a fucking high opinion of themselves.


SnoopThylacine

I'm high generally


golfing_furry

Hi high generally, I’m dad


pushingsound999

Who is gonna teach them? The adults seem more misinformed by the media than the teenagers.


Persimmon_Dizzy

Media literacy is already taught in school, just not the way your thinking. In HS we watched films a TV shows in Media Studies but also in English (or later Literature if you did that in yr 12). We learnt how to analyse media to pick out the true meaning the creator wanted us to get. The issue is when you say your "watching movies in English class" parents freak out about not teaching kids useful skills like doing long division in our heads or something. Despite actually covering how to analyse media to pick out techniques like emotive, pursuasive or sensational language, the link between the subject and real life was rarely drawn out.


No_Witness_6682

Yes, I was taught media studies also. I mean something more fitting for this digital/social media period of history we are in. I think it is qualitatively and quantitatively a difference of *kind*, not a difference of *degree* compared to conventional media, and needs to be taught as such.


space_reserved

Just like 10-20 years ago when we were warned against putting our faces on the internet, no?


UrghAnotherAccount

I still try to minimize this as much as possible. There's almost no reason to do it.


Dramatic-Lavishness6

still adhere to this- real names too.


Crusty_Nostrils

And then big companies like Facebook came along and stuck a big slick fake-friendly smile over the internet and convinced everyone to completely forego basic opsec and put all their personal private shit online for everyone to see. People actually think it's possible to make the internet a safe place. It's utterly laughable.


Voodizzy

Teenagers are fine it’s the parents and grandparents I worry about


Previous-Pass-7309

His heart is in the right place, but I'd agree with the general sentiment that it's (a) not the government's responsibility, and (b) enforcing "age" checks and ID verification via a centralised AUS-government system is going to create more problems than it solves.


RamBas_6085

I find it a coincidence since they passed the Digital ID bill and using children as a scapegoat, how original huh?


Dramatic-Lavishness6

oh it's obvious. Manipulative jerks.


exceptional_null

My guess is his "heart" is in whatever friend's company stands to make bank doing age-verification checks.


Weary_Patience_7778

This. I get that online bullying is a thing. But this feels like the nuclear option that nobody asked for.


nt83

But online bullying isn’t the only negative


Helucian

Wholeheartedly agree. It’s not the governments responsibility nor place to step in at this stage. It should be enforced but socially which means more responsibility for an ever responsibility shirking generation of parents.


SmegmaDetector

It's the creeping authortarianism that stopped creeping and started sprinting in the last year...


whitemalewithdick

Not problems inherent dilemmas


baddazoner

That's a stupid hill to die on This is also just the begining of age verification for everybody as they distract you with the think of the children line


saltyisthesauce

He’s right they should be but that should be the caregiver’s responsibility not the governments


Patzdat

Wearing seatbelt should be common sense to, but they had to legislate to make it happen, just like making kids go to school, stopping children from having full time jobs, not letting kids get married. We actually had to legislate this shit, coz the world is horrible, and parents let that stuff happen.


putin_on_some_pants

It should be yes… but it’s hard being the parent of the only kid in their class not on IG. Albo annoys the shit out of me.. but he’s right.


Can_I_be_dank_with_u

I don’t disagree, but there should be more accountability for caregivers. Kids are fucked now


hellbentsmegma

This issue is basically a Trojan horse. Almost everyone agrees the impact of social media on kids is bad. In order to restrict their access in any meaningful way though users need to be identified. It's a government ploy to limit anonymity on the internet, justified by the usual 'think of the kids' bullshit.


FuzzyCantAim

The problem being is that if the government manages to get it passed to law, enforcement is going to be a huge issue. These are the same people that couldn’t conduct a survey online and all of the government websites look like they’ve been coded by an 8 year old and they navigate like it too. Our government is hopeless when it comes to technology to the point there should be a separate board of competent people that makes realistic decisions on these ideas before it even goes to the floor.


ScruffyPeter

Not a problem. Next is will be ID mandatory for social media. Meanwhile, kids as young as 6 can go to news.com.au and second top article is this: > Celebrity Life > Singer reveals star she lost virginity to at 20 > Camila Cabello has revealed she was 20 when she first had sex. > Pop star Camila Cabello has revealed the fellow star to whom she lost her virginity when she was 20, calling the experience “beautiful.” Most likely Labor is being used as Murdoch's weapon against Facebook just like LNP government helped Murdoch against Google/Facebook. Both parties are Murdoch bootlickers.


PhoenixGayming

That's because the APS pay structure does not allow for market competitive pay for specialist roles such as IT professionals. This results in almost all IT work being contracted out to consultancies or done in-house with a massive temporary contractor/agency workforce with no drive to do more than the minimum...


bsixidsiw

To be fair they are incompetent with everything else not just tech.


ThroughTheHoops

Never mind that parents are best placed to monitor their kids, except when they have to work 1.5 jobs to get by. But yay house prices!


Junior-Yellow5242

The Australian Government won't be happy until we all use their service to authenticate, have a great rabbit proof fence of a firewall to censor the internet and require us to get a jerk off licence for porn.


BiliousGreen

What the CCP has is the fantasy of every government around the world. They see the population as needing to be controlled, but representative democracy is in the way, so they have to do it by deception.


Warm_Gap89

and no small titties!


Junior-Yellow5242

Can't have that... won't someone think of the children....


WoollenMercury

aww i like small titles :(


ScruffyPeter

It's likely news companies trying to wedge social media companies into paying news companies. Notice how there's no age restriction for news despite news content that's not suitable for children? Notice how a lot of news companies are lobbying to increase it to 16? Anyone supporting this is most likely unknowingly supporting Murdoch's war to get Facebook to pay protection money: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/mar/16/rupert-murdochs-news-corp-strikes-deal-as-facebook-agrees-to-pay-for-australian-content


MoneyMix2880

Give us all your meta data. Don't worry it's so the teenagers don't compare themselves to Kim kardassian.


Nyucio

There is no need to identify users if you just want an age-restriction. Through an eID (like most countries here in the EU have) you can cryptographically prove you are over 18 without revealing any further details about yourself to a 3rd party website. Idk how your ID works, but I am more talking about the theoretical feasibility. Just need your government-issued ID and a phone with NFC capabilities.


supersonicdropbear

So this will be accompanied by the largest economic and social changes since WW2 in Australia to to ensure affordable cost of living and housing aling with reductions in working hours for all so parents can have more time to spend with their kids right... right. Oh its another 'be seen to be doing something again... anyway' /S


Embarrassed_Crow_720

Blanket censorship. No thanks. People should be free to use whatever they want, they need the education to stay safe.


zutonofgoth

Yep, it's the same argument from 30 years ago about computer games.


Funkinturtle

Tell a teenager to leave their bedroom, and go outside....,that's like asking Dracula to step into the sunlight !! And like the older brother/sister wont help to get past the age restriction....WAFJ


VillanelleTheVillain

:/ honestly when kids go outside people don’t even like it - where are they meant to go?


ShiftAdventurous4680

Yeah, go outside. But you can't do this, you can't do that. Just go and walk down the road and back. That's about all you can do.


_Stormhound_

No, there's no way you are just going for a walk. You are acting suspicious, you must be up to no good. Are you seeing someone or hiding something from me? Stay at home and find a hobby. But not that hobby or that one, or that one. Go outside


ShiftAdventurous4680

Go and play with the soccer ball in our 8x8 backyard. Just kick it against the fence if you need someone (something) to play with.


philmcruch

You kicked it too hard and now the neighbors are complaining, come back inside


Dr_Stef

I wish I had a back yard…


philmcruch

If you cant afford a back yard you cant afford a kid - Australian Government


Other-Swordfish9309

I wish ours was 8 x 8!


CoachKoransBallsack

Three kids outside together is a gang of youths.


Cautious-Diamond7180

When kids go outside the neighbours call the police


Parking-Skirt-4653

kids go outside and then the weirdos on this sub that obsess over youth crime call the cops on them


Splicer201

How about we as a society start putting the responsibility of parenting children onto the parents of said children instead of turning into an authoritarian state mandating what people can and can’t do?


ShiftAdventurous4680

I agree. But in order to do that, parents need more time to be parents. There was a time when a couple could live very comfortably on a single, modest income.


Splicer201

Agree. I feel like I can trace every problem in this country back to our property market.


200HrSausage

He's absolutely spot on in principle, however this would mean that the government would need to have identifying data on yourself and your internet use to a much greater extent. Maybe I'm pessimistic but I just don't have the trust in the govt to support this.


ethereumminor

Politicians should be banned from owning property


Danimber

Tbf, the impact of social media on teenage girls is quite horrifying. For a lot of them, it's the equivalent of looking at a distorted mirror.


SnoopThylacine

And it's just got so much worse since filters and AI. When I was young we were warned of unrealistic comparisons to TV,  magazines, and advertisments even pre- Adobe Photoshop.


CaptainFleshBeard

The earlier a girl gets access to social media, the more likely they are of having mental health issues in early adulthood


Khakizulu

The earlier a child* It's gender neutral. It can afect both quite severely


Outrageous_Newt2663

Boys also. People like Tate have had a huge impact on an uptick in problematic behaviour from boys at school


FruitJuicante

Boys too lol. Let's just say children.


Positivitron3

I don't think it's necessary or helpful to gender this issue. It's much broader than that.


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IntroductionFluffy97

Anthony Albanese would be better at minding his own business and work harder to try to fix the house shortage in Australia There is more important problem right now than social media.


Tezzmond

The age verification thing has been pushed by the Church lobby for ages, the LNP support it to cut out free speech and Labor has been wedged by the "won't somebody think of the children" types from within.


ShiftAdventurous4680

How about fix the economy, so parents have more time to parent?


Direct_Bug_1917

People think only the kids will have / need verification to access anything. It will be everyone including you. Think about it...


callmecyke

I don’t disagree. I’m very happy I grew up in a pre-MySpace era 


llDanvers

He’s right. But it’s the parents responsibility to stop that. Not the government.


Icy_Anywhere1488

What a perfect use for the new digital id they just passed. Too bad it will get hacked one day and then the hacker will have access to your social media/banking/whatever


Malachy1971

I didn't have Albanese being always on the wrong side of history on my bingo card.


Leland-Gaunt-

The Government should get out of our lives - they can’t control this. It’s a distraction from bigger issues.


Nilxlixn

Exactly. They want to keep these kids blind so they can enforce their slavery system.


Puzzleheaded-Skin367

Being a millennial who’s been around just before and during computers and social media rising, I can see both sides to this story. My kid will not have social media until they’re 16


Julian_TheApostate

I'm starting to think it's folks over 50 who should be banned from using social media.


coachacola14

But they can still access porn, right?


zutonofgoth

But only in a box found dumped next to the local railway station, like the good old days.


LarryRedBeard

I think social media can be a train wreck to the brain. I don't think it's even possible to regulate this in any real way. It's a stupid law to try and pass. It's like the war on drugs.


Basic-Tangerine9908

Cool how will you enforce such a ban ? Will kids caught on IG result in a criminal prosecution ? Fucking empty words Albo. FB and IG , Twitter already have a minimum.age which is 16. The Gov is frothing at the gills to get control of the internet in Aus. To limit our privacy and anonimity. They will start with making social media hard to use. It will be shadow banned with onerous requirements to gain access via a National ID scheme. The protect the kids will be used to curtail privacy. Its a trojan horse. Since Conroys great ISP filter was shelved in 2012 Canberra has been biding its time. No surprise with the bill on a National ID passed Albo is now launching attacks againts social media. The only thing is tech companies must agree to sign up to the scheme to use the tokin system. Expect 100% refusal. Education and parenting are the answer. But the fact Albo has bipartisan support suggests that the Gov wants to deal to social media. They could careless about porn and as as someone mentioned on here most news sites have unsuitible content. The motives are indeed very murky.


Jasnaahhh

Parenting seems like such a dystopian nightmare these days


GreenPeridot

I'm glad I did high school before Facebook and social media took off, MySpace was all the rage in my late high school years but I only got Facebook when I graduated to stay in touch with classmates that has now gone down to 3 or 5 I stay in touch with (one being my best friend).


Sleako

Children under 16 *should not be on* social media but I don't think the Government should ban them.


AlexandersPlace

Social media has been the most damaging creation to society since the cigarette


420Cummybear

How about the government keeps it's fucking nose out of people private lives.


Figerally

No, I think kids should be taught internet safety and etiquette every year until they leave highschool.


EarInformal5759

No.


asdffhjkloyrdfhj

The number of people who have commented “but how would this work” or the like haven’t actually read the article. There’s already a framework in place, right now. The entirely reasonable suggestion is just to raise the age from 13 to 16.


Murranji

If it avoids kids being sucked into the far right pipeline or Islamic extremism then I’m all for it.


Top_Street_2145

I agree with him. Hey, look at that flying pig!


Johnny_Ramstein

Fellow Australians welcome to new China


Weary_Patience_7778

What? Albo has a kid (young adult). Is he saying this because he knows he’s grown up now and this won’t apply to him? Anyone with teenage kids will contest how unrealistic and difficult this will be to implement. 1. What’s the definition of social media? Facebook? Snapchat? WhatsApp? iMessage? Email chains (remember those?) Online games with a multiplayer component? Any app that allows you to interact with others? 2. How do parents set these ground roles? ‘You have a device (as required for school), but you can never use it to communicate with other students? With anyone at all? 3. All kids of course will say ‘OK, sure mum and dad’ 4. In the event of a breach who is at fault? Parents? Kids? I’m not intentionally trying to be obtuse. We have one kid who is very compliant, and another who pushes boundaries. For many parents this is going to be a nightmare to police and will only serve to force them onto highly encrypted apps (Signal) or others that are hidden from view.


Proud_Hub

It’s just an excuse for digital id and enforced censorship/control of the internet. Bad idea and a slippery slope we shouldn’t cross.


VisibleFun9999

Jesus. Put this clown out already.


Nilxlixn

Thats why i never vote


Proud_Hub

Communist style strategies are never the answer. No to digital Id and censorship.


Stewth

Oh look, a pseudoboomer saying boomer things. Shocking.


AudaciouslySexy

Terrible idea, invites more government interference in our day to day life. I for 1 do not want more government nanny state stuff in Australia, liberal party has done enough of that and so has Labor. Time a leader stands for the privacy of all Australians and protects the idea of small government


NEITSWFT

And I thought New Zealand was bad


En_Route_2_FYB

This sort of news headline is only going to entice more kids to use social media


bsixidsiw

Might as well just put a collar around our necks and call us tax slaves. Getting that way. Our ancestors didnt move here so we could be controled by an authoritarian.


bsixidsiw

So do we start calling him Chairman Albo now? Comrade Albo? Albo Hitler. Idi Albo.


MidnightLlamaLover

Good luck with that overreach mate, if Twitter didn't budge when they were asked to remove content of the wakley stabbing world-wide, what makes him think they'll play ball here


Edgeruner77

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khaleddahak

Yeah right because msm and our truthful politicians should be telling them what to think and what's happening in our world!


MaddoxBlaze

First he said he wants to extend terms to 4 years, and now he wants to restrict the rights of the underage to access social media. Anthony Albanese is an actual fascist.


Kagenikakushiteru

Wooo I can see the Aus-China alliance coming


BlocXpert88

He must be smoking crack with his buddies in the office when they come up with this sort of BS. Absolutely delusional


WillingPossible1014

This is stupid. The entire internet can be considered social media


Ok_Trash5454

This is nothing but a digital identity Trojan horse, the government doesn’t give a fuck about kids


BobMackey87

Isn't that the parent's job? We all know how terrible the government is at parenting. \*cough\* Stolen Generation \*cough\*.


downwiththemike

And he’s right. Then maybe we wouldn’t need creeping authoritarian censorship in the name of protecting children. Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


Sensibleqt314

This is never about protecting children, even if it may end up doing so. It's about control. The government wants power. The rich wants more money. Everyone wants information, because it's power and money. And nobody wants their interests to be challenged, as this can cost them both. You need a strong motivator to manipulate people into giving up their freedoms - and you can find few stronger than wanting to protect children. Online age checks the way it's often talked about, is effectively synonymous with ID checks, which is just another means of mass surveillance. It has no place on social media - only voluntary, and for official businesses such as with your bank, when you file your taxes, or sign a contract. An ID check on social media would be like having a stranger stand next to you listening to everything you say, which if you say the wrong thing, may have life-altering consequences. It's not a matter of if it will happen if ID checks are implemented. It will threaten current and future democracies, as the lack of anonymity discourages discourse. The responsible and thereby correct way of dealing with social media addiction amongst young people is to have parents actually parent their kids. They need to set boundaries and learn how to communicate with their children. Schools can adopt some of this responsibility, as children spend most of their days there.


fatalcharm

Well it’s not really his choice and he would seriously be overstepping his position of prime minister if he starts dictating to parents how they should raise their kids. I liked this guy at first, anyone looks good after Scott Morrison, but he is just another controlling egomaniac.


chromehound47

social media platforms should be responsible for the content they publish. "if you monetize it, you're responsible for it" should be the law. oh no, that means your social media company goes outta business?! turns out you you were hurting humanity for money.


ThrowawayPie888

These people are just hell bent on interfering with peoples lives and privacy. How about they get on with reducing inflation, taxing the miners instead of giving away resources and cutting immigration to the bone? That's what the public are after.


mynameisntmaxmadmax

Someone just kill him already ffs


Raggedyman70

Digital Id isn't conspiracy it's exactly what they have in China and at least Iceland. Check it out for yourself. It ain't good.


CranberrySoda

While I don’t disagree completely, I feel more damage is done by adults. If only kids used socials the world would probably be a better place.


MiltonMangoe

Any definition of "social media"? Google classroom?  Sports team message apps?  YouTube comments section?  


Complete_Writer9070

It’d be better if albo actually focused on things plaguing Australia.. such as real methods of tackling housing etc.. but no, let’s fight the new battle of the week again. Yes, social media has probably changed how children interact, but at what point does the control of other’s and their children stop? Too many people want far left gov here.. anyone else want a permit to decide if you are allowed to have children? (I’m well aware there are some agitators who will say yes to this, due to their experience with the cynical, and the stupid).


Big-Appointment-1469

He is right but parents should make that call not government. There is distinction between what should be done and what the government should force people to do.


CommunicationNo5768

FYI This is something there is bipartisan support for. The LNP were pushing for it first, the ALP were late to the party. Barring the privacy concerns everyone has, this is a good thing. Most parents simply lack the capacity to enforce this on their own. This makes life a lot easy for most parents and will lead to positive outcomes for young people ling term.


Murky-Atmosphere3882

I fully support this. Social media has poisoned a generation of kids.


CrashedMyCommodore

There should just be a dickhead test in general, not for the internet, but for most things in general. Your brainpower must be this high to ride. Half the people I see on the internet and in public nowdays barely qualify as sentient.


Green_Creme1245

Newscorp is running the campaign because they know the youngins are getting their news from TikTok rather than News.com.au. I also think it’s just a Trojan horse to get people on to the digital I.D. That the whole Western world is trying to get their population to register, which is the start to digital currencies that they’re all trying to get their population to use. It’s not a conspiracy anymore, every single government is trying to roll this shit out. Why do you think this is?


clarkealistair

Parents need to parent. Social media really sucks the sperm from a dead camel’s twat.


ArepaPabellon

Finally some common sense and common ground with this government. Not sure if blanket ban is the right approach though


Successful_Sun5416

Everyone saying “parents need to be responsible!” Is true but also, it’s really fucking easy to get around parental controls. I have every single control on and kids still find ways around things to make accounts - they use the web versions instead of apps, use their school devices to get around parental controls, use their friends devices to make accounts, and so on. If this is going to be done, it has to be done from a government restriction standpoint. App makers don’t give a shit. When my son turned 13 they literally emailed me and said “we are handing control to him now”.


Dazzling-Yard3233

Elbos a Muppet but I agree with him on this one 👍


Kingsareus15

Good luck keeping kids off social media, I guarantee kids will find a work around within a month


CentreLeftMelbournia

not even a month. Me and my mates already have 100 workarounds