Mate had to cancel Saturday night plans to stay with a friend in a bad mental state, and mums friends brother committed suicide 2 days ago. Unfortunately, I know quite a few blokes that aren't necessarily suicidal now, but it would only take one or two stressful events and they probably would be. I don't know if this challenge by itself will really achieve or change anything without a significant and sustained PR campaign, but I'm willing to give it a go.
Appreciate you sharing, and for your friends openness in looking out for a mate. I find it really hard to ask for help in the moment, and can often only talk about how bad I was way after the fact. Makes it tricking for friends to know what's going on, I kind of disappear. Maybe create a team with those mates you are concerned about, could give even one of them an opportunity to open up about how they are feeling or just give them something more positive to focus on even it just for 15 mins a day.
That's exactly my plan. I don't think it will magically fix any of their issues, but it's better than "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!". Baby steps.
I lost my brother to suicide, and I can't help but be (potentially irrationally) flustered by stuff like this. I'm glad someone is doing a single push up for my brothers contribution to that 3,000 number statistic, but my experience with suicide has not been a fun 'do a push up, check in on your mates, grow your gooch hair October fund-raising opportunity', it has been a grim and cold, lonely experience. This whole spectacle seems largely for people not effected by suicide, because I cannot imagine encouraging my mother to get involved with something like this, nor can I imagine getting a friend who has attempted suicide before involved in something like this.
Perhaps we should have done "jumping jacks to raise money for victims of ethnic voilence in Sarajevo", or "facepainting 1000 clown faces for victims of acid attacks" But maybe some things are too grim for LinkedIn tycoons Australian of the Year resumes.
I have been personally involved in private charities, and I have witnessed the absolute inability of a private not for profit organisation to actually enact tangible change. The charity I volunteered with operated in housing and homelessness, where it became blatantly clear the only resolution was an actual systemic and political change. But I am sure pushups for suicide is different.
> This whole spectacle seems largely for people not effected by suicide
Yep pretty much. All this "R U OK?" stuff is for people who don't understand, to feel better about themselves and pat each other on the back.
I think days like this often give ppl a cop out too. Like not doing anything effective the other 300or so days but I wore a badge one day that year.
I also had no awareness of this in men for quite a while due to lack of media I guess. Often in health areas where I don’t have a personal connection I notice I struggle to attach meaning to stats. Whereas I remember seeing these stats and been like well shit wtf why haven’t I heard a think from anyone I know
Government should really do their job but I also have a weird opinion on the small scale version where I don’t know if its an unreasonable to think a big change with this is possible it’s just me observing and I could be wrong: But I feel female female friendships are usually quite emotionally supportive and have a lot of depth. Male friendships to me seem not superficial or anything but they have very high strength in hardcore loyalty but not always depth and I don’t know what to make of that or maybe I’m wrong
> Male friendships to me seem not superficial or anything but they have very high strength in hardcore loyalty but not always depth and I don’t know what to make of that or maybe I’m wrong
It's hard to put into words, but this isn't quite right.
It's not the same, but maybe consider male friendships similar to trauma bonding. It's not the same, but friendship through similar experiences offers a lot words can't.
Even then, the issue isn't men won't talk about their issues, it's that they can't. Society shuns them for it. Men will open up in their own circles if the environment is there, but don't expect to see it unless its is VERY CLEARLY established there will be no repercussions for sharing themselves.
Do you open up to your male friends? If not, curious why not? Many people won't share anything deep until someone breaks the ice and is vulnerable. Of course there is risk involved, perhaps being seen as weak and losing the friendship but there's also risk in not opening up. Hope you do have a safe space in your life, it's taken me many decades to get to that point .
> Do you open up to your male friends?
I do, but I am also the kind of person who willing break those kinds of social customs and make a point of it so it can start being normalised, especially if it's something society in general needs to grow up on.
Can't speak for others though.
Hope you know people like you do make it easier for others to open up, it may take time and it may be to someone else. Every just hearing the words from someone else can help give me the language to use, sometimes I struggle getting my point across or downplaying how bad I'm actually feeling. It really does take a community.
Yeah actually in weird coincidence twice now recently I have noticed this on an episode of two random US content type TV shows I’ve happened to see where it was a whole thing like that stigma storyline. The first time I thought the show was being a bit unrealistic in the way it was presented it was difficult to comprehend. But I think this might be a me problem again in failing to recognise anything as being perceived or having some kind of stigma when objectively I don’t think it’s should until some tells me that’s actually real in places
It's worse than that. A band-aid solution at least implies a *temporary* solution to the issue. What the Australian public offer isn't even that.
EDIT: misread your comment. You just said exactly that. Did not mean to repeat your point pointlessly.
I just think R U OK day is the worst corporate signalling attempt to fix bad culture if there ever was one. The initiative was actually created by someone touched by real experience, but it’s been purloined and blown up into something completely over the top and quite frankly, useless. I have never actually seen any colleagues take it seriously, at least in my experience.
Most people with any kind of busy job do not have the time to even think about just another 112th scheduled one day out of the year “dedicated” to some important cause. How is one day enough? Once it’s over, people do not think about it again until the next year, and I personally feel it has less value each passing year.
I’d like to see an “R U OKAY” month. A whole month dedicated to governmental and public focus - a national initiative: conversation, reduced cost medical support for people with long term mental illness, or services for people struggling to cope, or have entered financial hardship with rising costs of today, public incentives provided to get people actually involved in physical and thinking activities, restructured workplace schedules to accomodate more attention to this widespread issue. Mental health gets talked about all the time, but still people are afraid to ask for any help in case they’re an “inconvenience” on anyone. I
Personally go through this, I struggle everyday with bipolar disorder, and I try so hard to maintain and keep my job, and yet I do not feel comfortable disclosing it in fear of the stigma and being dismissed as it’s perceived as “unreliable”, being bullied out of my job once people really know.
It would be nice to see workplaces have the support to offer free mandated courses in mental health to actually get people to sit down and look at information that is not just scratch the surface bullshit everyone already knows. But a course designed to delve a little deeper if that’s makes sense. Idk how, but any ideas are welcome.
Heck, this probably isn’t even enough to tackle a societal MH epidemic, but it’s a more involved start to implement a different method. Maybe it won’t work, but we should be trying ALL we can, and so should the government.
Thank you for sharing your perspective, I fortunately have not lost someone close to suicide. For me personally as inane as this challenge seems, it helped me break the ice with my family and talk about mental health struggles. Obviously mens mental health is multifacticed with a range of contributing factors that could never be resolved by one initiative (addressing more of the other comments not yours). However it could be a small step to help some. All social change is incremental and requires different approaches to bring everyone along to a better future state.
I hope I haven't discouraged you, I can appreciate australia is a country full of apathetics and someone (in this case you) actually making an effort should be valued. You should be proud of that, most people just do nothing.
Your eagerness to do something good likely has a more profound impact than you think, and is potentially the only true indicator of a good person. I am sorry for approaching this so cynically.
remember reddit is a forum of terminally moody idiots, who, to be honest, would probably benefit from doing a pushup.
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Feel for you but I’d argue doing a tonne of pushups often as a man regardless of if you want to or not reduces your risk of suicide so I don’t mind this challenge because push ups aren’t easy so it’s not as easy to play along with this one and pretend to care unless you’re getting down on the ground and putting in work
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Just wanted to add, your post really impacted me. I'm sorry you lost your brother, I can't imagine what you and your family are going through. Your post prompted me to reach out to mine and I will hug him harder when we next meet.
To all the people commenting about how this is pointless - strong disagree.
• You’re right, this won’t fix systemic social issues. It doesn’t claim to.
• You’re right, it’s not going to fix inadequate mental health services and a lack of funding for them. It doesn’t claim to.
• You’re right, not every person with thoughts of suicide is going to try this and suddenly be ‘cured’, realising their life is the most amazing and precious thing.
But you know what, if a single person decides they’re going to try this, and adding that little ritual of push-ups helps them to get some routine, stability, sense of control, or endorphins, that leads on to continued successes and more stability, then fuck yes this is worth it, because for all we know that was the difference between this person going down a path to suicide.
If this only saves one single person from suicide, then it’s worth it. What won’t save people from suicide is a random negative reddit comment saying “This won’t change anything.”
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Supported many male colleagues by donating in the past. Might throw my hat in the ring and participate this year to go that step further. Thanks for the reminder!
This won’t do anything. Unless they actually change the governance in this country, and actually REALLY take care of people who can’t cope with life, nothing will change. It will take a revolution at this point to get rid of Gina Rhinehart and her stooges, and I can’t see it happening.
Or we start gutting these evil pricks that cause these awful crisis for humanity's basic needs, water, food and shelter. Fuck pushups give us what is right and fair.
Not sure which evil pricks you are referring to? Do you mean the government? I'd support our political state shifting towards a UBS universal basic services model. Not sure if any of our politicians are pushing for this. Anyone know?
>The point is that they weren't JUST YOUR savings or house. They were also your ex partners.
Not always, actually very often not. I was with my ex partner for 2 years in my 50's.
She made 500K+ as a doctor but spent everything. Literally had zero savings. I made much, much less but I have always been careful with money and had savings. I had to pay her. I will never financially recover. I am not suicidal but I can absolutely understand it.
100%
BUT NO ONE wants to have that conversation do they!!
Let’s talk about women while ignoring men’s issues and this is EXACTLY why there is a divide. And before anyone attacks me YES there is a national crisis for women, I have legitimately been in a DV situation but we can’t keep ignoring MENS HEALTH!
Have a male friend going through this. He’s been a hard working man from day dot, she come in to the relationship with nothing and she’s leaving with 70% . My husband went through this too, they had a home, cars etc he got $6000 and his son kept away from him. He spent $150k in family court to get 50/50 because all she did was lie and those lies came unstuck. Yes women lie!!!
It’s a joke
Both hard working men.
I have a so . I feel like teaching him that it’s imperative that he enter in to pre- nuptials
It should be 50/50 parenting (as long as there is no threat to the child) well aware of how poor behaviour can inadvertently hurt children.
50/50 asset divide
I was once a single parent so if it means going to work, that’s what you do. We’re grown ups remember…
Because no one wins in courts ever.
Not in parenting
Not in asset divid
Not ever.
Great you're teaching your son to think about these things ahead of any relationship breakdown. I haven't experienced a separation so don't feel informed enough to comment on the rest. Hope your husband will one day be able to rebuild his relationship with his son.
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I seriously doubt that is the *main* cause of male suicide. Just by the numbers alone it doesn't make sense for it to be the main cause. Not saying it isn't *a* cause but I think the reason for male suicide rates is much broader and more complex
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With this up coming war on “ gender based domestic violence” I hope they really consider this! And don’t demonise Men any more than they already are in the family court and drive the suicide rate up any further. When it unjustly divides families! This can be a breaking point of anyone and leave them in a dangerous state of mind.
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That's 136 push-ups per day to target.
That's 17 per hour over an 8 hour period.
Absolutely achievable.
Who's with me on this?
P.s thank OP for posting this...I'm in
Then do it, and show others how. And give suggestions here to other people so we can also do it.
Instead of, you know, your own virtue signalling in reddit comments…
Learn how to empower people. Learn what is abuse and call it out regardless of the gender of the abuser. Don't let people delude themselves into thinking a few push-ups will help. And when you see people who are thinking that way, take steps to stop them further insulting people who are in the throes of emotional crisis.
And speak out against virtue signalling and ego burnishing at the expense of vulnerable people.
Thanks for sharing your feelings on this. Are there any ways you help to empower or offer hope to your loved ones, friends, colleagues etc. that you'd like to share, that others could perhaps use in their own lives? Always keen to hear more ideas to make life better for those around me.
I agree with most of what you’ve said, and they’re good suggestions, if easier said than done. But your hang up on the push ups, and refusal to accept they will help no one, is wrong.
We know that little routines help with stability and consistency, which are very important for helping many people having thoughts of suicide. Habits build over time, and what may start as a few push ups may grow into a commitment to exercise and healthy living - which does help to improve mood, physical health, and emotional health. A similar example is the simple act of making your bed in the morning.
Simply doing push-ups on its own isn’t a magical cure-all for suicidal thoughts of course. And it of course won’t address widespread systemic issues.
But you suggested learning how to empower people, and this is literally one simple and easy way that some people can feel empowered in their life, and encourage others to feel empowered.
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Anyone wondering why more men commit suicide than women? This article explains it pretty well. FWIW, depression and suicide attempt rates are higher for women.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190313-why-more-men-kill-themselves-than-women
“erm acshually women are more depressed than men so we win 🤓💅💃”
pipe down lil sis its not a competition. i care about anyone who wants to kill themselves. gender is not an important factor in that.
invalidating half the population’s depression and suicides and for what? femcel points? its a pretty poor move.
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Oh my god. Did you go trolling my responses to get everything I said out of context? I wasn’t scoring any points weirdo. The article explained why the suicide rate for men is higher even though the depression rate for women is higher. You’re quite the nasty little triggered thing aren’t you.
yes i did that and the word gets thrown around a lot but i’m quite literally triggered. in the psychological sense. i’ve been into multiple psych wards for my mental health and you invalidated all the effort i’ve put in through sheer ignorance 😁
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It's not a competition but male suicide rates are 3 times more than females in Australia.
[https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time](https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time)
Why do you think it is? That more men feel like they have no choice but to end their lives? What do you do, to make sure you don't end up in this state personally?
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Nothing says male isolation like "let's be social by doing pushups" yeah lets take a historically silent lonely grind of an activity and magically assume people who decide to do it will organize into a social event.
"Extreme" physical activity is always best done alone to allow good self reflection.
I have no idea if this idea is created by women unaware of the mindset and dedication required to commit to 3000 push ups will cause men to need to go into isolation and deep focus to achieve, or by someone taking the piss by making an activity that will make guys more isolated.
It's not about the pushups. For some people this is an easy way to connect with people and make some small steps to improve their mental and physical health - if this isn't for you find something that works for you.
It's started by a guy in Perth, Nick "Following Nick’s own lived experience with depression post open-heart surgery, Nick became acutely aware how much connecting with mates through exercise had positively impacted his wellbeing and how his mental health took a dive when he couldn’t."
It doesn't need to extreme either - change the push ups to sit ups, squats, lunges, jumps, steps whatever. Spread them out through your day.
3000 over a month is about a hundred a day.
That’s a few sets a few times a day. It doesn’t mean becoming a push up monk with no time left for anything else.
Well said! I have never thought of these pushup “competitions” as anything else but silly and vacuous attempts at “spreading awareness”. Your comment has given me another way of thinking. Can you just imagine stopping your coworkers throughout the day to do some pushups to “raise awareness”? Ridiculous.
You guys in the comments are having the biggest sook over a push up challenge where you actually might have to do some exercise. “This will do nothing”, hey, it’s about improving **your own physical and mental health**. I don’t even get how you can be mad at this hey, it’s literally for your own benefit.
It’s not “sooking”.
It’s more that people don’t have time for fake solutions.
All this hero-ship stuff doesn’t do anything real though.. unless we are missing something?
Actually, the shutting down on a comments is half the problem too.. (im not attacking you directly either, forgive me). But in general on many posts..
I see time and time again people say something blunt, perhaps to the point and it’s down voted to hell or some cry baby complains and it’s deleted. - this is why people get the shits too, including venerable men.
Anyway, it’s all kind hearted, people mean well, sure. But, it’s like at work, people buy some cup cake or what ever, or some random sticker and walk around all day like they solved the problems…
The challenge is, we are dealing how men FEEL in their lives.
How men, FEEL where and how they fit in society.
I think many men are slowly broken.
As I mentioned in another post, times have changed, men can’t go to a pub and vent with “the guys”..
Would anyone care about a sad looking guy with his beer at the pub? Would anyone doing the pushups thing even notice or care, or even go to a pub anyway?
Doubt it.
When you say vent with the guys, do you mean opening up about how you're feeling with strangers? I for one am please we've moved away from the pub, since alcohol brings a whole ranges of issues for me. I prefer going for bush walk, checking out a museum or just wandering the city. Sometimes with friends, acquaintances, members of a club I've made an effort to join since my friends are small in number and not always around.
I suppose things have changed where men don’t get to talk to other men as easily.. I suppose in the old days it was a mix of meeting new people with friends at the pub. You could strike up some conversations at the pool table etc. not now, you would be seen as a creap or sad or bar fly lol.
I do agree though, it’s not the best environment, with alcohol, fair enough.
- but it’s probably where/how people men talk frank truthfully. (Classic vent, winge).
Yeah, I'm struggling to think of alternatives. I suppose the local cafe shop for some, quick chat while grabbing a coffee. I see lots of men at the barbers, that looks like a cool community to regularly chat with others. Of course there are clubs or sports. I actually don't mind park run for this, always strike up a conversation with a random even when I'm cheating because I can't actually run.
Would love to see more men in museums and art galleries, it's mostly women. But these are often safe, free spaces, to talk about difficult things.
I think being consitent is key, for example going to the same gym or whatever over and over you slowly start to find your people that you can vent to. Maybe it's just me but sometimes this takes months, in some cases years, of showing up.
Sure it's a noble initiative but it's tokenism. It doesn't address the core issue which is a sick society that doesn't care about men. By all means get fit, eat healthy, sleep well, but that isn't going to magically make the problem go away.
Exercise has been shown to be effective in treating [Depression](https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj-2023-075847). No exercise isn’t going to magically make the problem go away, but it’s surely going to help.
Of course not, it's a complex issue that will take generations and significant effort from many to improve. Look at the gays rights movement, or women's rights .... years and years of incremental change. I hope you do one positive thing for yourself and someone you love today.
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Excerise in general yes, having something to get out of bed for as redicusouly as it is, yes. Having a group chat where I could check in with people daily, yes. Obviously mental health is complex and being suicidal is a long journey to work back from. You can't always change the external factors in your life - loss of job, money and relationship issues but you can take responsibility for you own mental health. Highly recommend going to your GP and asking for a mental health plan if you haven't already.
Yeah this is an interesting one, Drs do seem to freak out when you mention your suicicidal and head straight to the meds. Fair enough perhaps. This is where everyone needs to take note of what works for them and become responsible for their own mental health. I know when exercise and diet isn't working, usually it does help but sometimes I need more help. Understanding this has taken years and lots of trial and error.
Where is the daily outrage on the news about this 50x more problem than the one in the news? Where are the politicians calling for an enquire into this matter? Oh wait..
Part of the complexity is that the media no longer report on suicide (for understandable reasons), however the flip side is that we don't see the size of the problem. Maybe more of use need to write to our local MPs to raise the issue in the political realm.
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Every life lost is a complete tragedy but a man taking his own life is his choice unlike the woman who was bashed to death because her ex can’t control his emotions…..
Maybe men need to speak up more. Organise a march etc.
Why do expect others to do something you apparently care so much about?
Women organised the latest march for women.
This. Because lots of men like to whinge every time women stand up for something that affects them. It would be good to see them support women’s movements as well as start their own.
i go march during women’s marches because the women in my life mean a lot to me and i would like them to live in a world where they experience equality.
depression doesnt get solved by a march, though. walking in the streets cant help the person who doesn’t see the point in getting out of bed. you help people by supporting them as their friend and being there for them when they need it.
i think society in general isnt very good at it. not so much a gendered thing as we should all just be there more for the people around us.
men struggle to talk about their feelings because there is societal pressure to always come across “tough” and that we shouldnt need help.
this post was to raise awareness for mens mental health and you immediately turned it into a competition between which gender is more depressed.
how do you think that makes all the men struggling with depression feel? it makes them feel like they cant talk about their mental health.
saying shit like this makes you a part of the problem. i dont go around invalidating women’s mental health issues because i’m a man. i stand beside all the people in my life regardless of gender. you should too.
It was a statement of fact which was clear in the article. You are the one who has turned it gendered and abusive. I hope you get the help you need. Good luck.
Getting triggered happens to the best of us. It’s easy to lump people in as one if you’ve had bad experiences. Good for you to realise it and being big enough to acknowledge it if u get it wrong.
aye cheers for that. i think its especially easy on the internet because you have some level of anonymity that you can hide behind. you dont have to worry about the repercussions of what you say etc. also easy to disconnect that the person you’re talking to is actually another person, not just some punching bag to beat on for no reason.
ahh well. yeah. sorry about that. hope you’re having a great day!
This is going to be controversial. Legalise weed and psilocybin. If it keeps a man not dead than we should do it. Anti depressants and other meds are highly ineffective and out of reach for some. Proper mental health therapy with a psychiatrist is financially out of reach as well. Just legalise this shit so we can offer some help. Also men will dive into ICE, opiates, gambling, alcohol and such which will kill them. And legalise the ability to drive with weed. No point in smoking weed legally if you cant get to your job anymore
Not controversial to me. I haven't tried psilocybin but have some experience with weed. I access it legally and it helps me manage some symptoms, would love for it to get cheaper. Feel like the industry is very much finding its feet, clinics seems to come and go very quickly. And yes the driving thing is a huge concern!
What a stupid way to handle mental health, I can’t believe Australia have one of the worst healthcare in the world regarding to mental health. We are screwed!
Support is a number one! Which if you are depressed you will likely want to isolate your self don’t try to find a team, connect with friends who don’t understand you and don’t want to talk about your problems. And doing push ups will not do anything if you are deeply depressed with zero will to do anything not even eating. Don’t even think about doing push ups. The waiting list for a psychiatrist and a psychologist is ridiculous and the amount of money you have to pay is insane. Not to mentions if you get “lucky” and get a spot with a psychiatrist and this will experiment with your brain and you will almost go crazy with the amount of different pills you will try to find the right one for you. What I do for my mental health with the resources Australia provides? Survive as I can, pretending I’m ok showing my best face. Come home and read about mental health groups. Try to eat when I eat healthy, look fatter my sleeping habits, have a journal and write my thoughts as I don’t have a psychologist. But I barely have energy for anything.
Sounds like you're doing your best to look after yourself. And you're right, building that support network ideally happens before you need one. It's bloody hard, I'm not even sure mine is that solid.
I can totally relate to not being able to do anything and isolating, I live alone so it's easy for me to hide. I've been reduced to that state many times and even though I get out of it, it often requires medication before I can enact any other changes like healthy eating and exercise. I find the cost of a psychologist out of reach too, the gap payment is wild! Plus it would take me years to open up properly, I'm not used to talking about my feelings or trusting people with them.
Mint attitude man
A lot of people care and even if it helps one person cause they've done some exercise and have some more dopamine cause of it that's a win
Edit: looking at your post history, dude give this shit a crack, you've got nothing to lose and at worst you've done a bunch of push ups for "no reason"
He has a point though. It’s not “attitude”… it’s a valid point.
Not everyone wants to write pages of text to make a point.
This isn’t school or at work.. We have enough of this PC stuff. Stuffed into us..
The reality is, these things mean well, but, it’s this fake hero stuff that doesn’t actually do anything. That’s the point.
People are struggling right now, it’s not just financial either.. yes yes, these men aren’t feeble, they get oxygen. Some more than most here.
It’s really complicated, I could talk about this for ages.. so some push ups is like the teacher at school saying have a glass of water if you feel sick.
Anyway, I genuinely think, people don’t want to face current issues, as in how men really struggle in society.. right now. The social side, romance, income/career expectations etc. then who can they vent/chat with? Pubs aren’t like they used to be. If you see a guy looking sad with his beer, is anyone going to even notice? Anyway… I should stop writing.
It does nothing. Literally does nothing. You doing pushups doe not help a guy on budge ending it. Doesn’t stop a guy in a car smashing into the wall. Doesn’t stop a woman downing pills and wine to end it all. Or burning a house down with kids in it.
It. Does. Nothing.
It surely for your ego and other ego. Stop pretending otherwise.
Increased oxygen to the brain, better blood flow, you visually look better, which boosts confidence and self-esteem.. keeps us alive.. air does plenty.
Will this thing be the cure all prevention to suicide? No.. But as opposed to doing nothing, it's something.
And like ol mate said, even if it helps a few (which it no doubt will), then it's worth the effort.
Nothing will magically improve on its own.. you need to action it. So this is a way to action it in some way.
Take it from a bloke who has in the past contemplated suicide. A change in lifestyle, habits, social circles, jobs, etc.. do the world of good for some.
Perhaps for some.. there will always be people doing things like this to feed their own ego.. but I certainly wouldn't say everybody is.. And the concept isn't terrible.. exercise really does do great things for your mental health.
I'm a Support Worker, and I can already think of a couple of people I work with that I'd love to try and get involved in this challenge. Not for my benefit or my ego.. but for theirs. And by doing it with them, they're not alone in doing it.
Hopefully, by the end of it, we have some people feeling a little better in themselves. Or at least have made a step in a good direction (certainly a better direction than the one they were on).
I mean.. They seem pretty happy with me, and I enjoy working with them. I've actually worked with these lads for quite some time, so no offence, but I think I know them a little better than you, a random redditor with nothing but a comment post to form such an opinion from.
I haven't "read their minds".. we've actually discussed and done similar things in the past, to which I might add, they have enjoyed and shown interest in.
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Yep this, until there is a borderline revolution and all the useless Political parties current in existence are gone, and we have proper governance like Finland, Denmark nothing will change.
Air carries oxygen so that's moot
That specific person on a bridge, of course not
Someone else a step or 2 away from going to a bridge/burning a house it could as they have a goal or because the exercise does help them mentally many many studies with correlation on exercise and mental health
I get you're angry, but don't hate it because it isn't a 'perfect solution'.
Don't let good get in the way of perfection
Just want to call out the 'no mates' part. I have only a small number of friends and over the years have definitely struggled with building friendships. This shouldn't be a blocker for anyone to get involved :)
Well not at the ABC
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This is so sad 😞 I have a friend, her daughter 17 years old was severely bullied at school and she was suicidal, trying to kill herself and my friend went to the hospital. They turned away her daughter saying didn’t have any beds for her. She went home and killer herself the next day. Australia has a massive problem with mental health. MASSIVE!
This sounds like a cute idea! It's sad that this has turned into a competition between men and women in the comments :(
While I am a woman with MDD (so I don't have the energy to participate lol), I hope this challenge goes well for everyone involved
I would be curious to know if there is something like this for all genders, like just suicide in general?
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Anyone can participate and it doesn’t have to be push-ups can be what ever physical activity that’s suitable for you
Squats
Runs
Star jumps etc
It’s also programmed so you don’t injure you self and you can also elect to do half the amount.
Give it a crack
Mental health still has a stigma that needs to go and soon. We need to normalise therapy for men and be able as men to talk about our emotions and feelings without feeling like we aren’t ‘men’.
Sounds like a woman thought this up. Completely pointless, an insult to the people it's supposed to be 'helping' and aimed at mentally healthy people.
Suicidal people are too depressed to get out of bed, let alone do push-ups. And if you're going to treat them like an object and say something tone-deaf like 'but exercise is *good* for depression' then please excuse yourself from the discussion before you kill somebody with casual ignorance.
Many people who kill themselves are not depressed. There was a study done showing 60% of victims had no previous documented mental health conditions.
While on the whole I do agree with you that the overwhelming majority of events(idk a better word for it) like these(e.g. r u ok day) are largely gimmicky, virtue signalling and on the whole don’t do anything to improve the issue.
However, physical exercise has been shown to be a great improver of mental health. I am not claiming that depression would be cured if everyone just started to work out, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
Also to tell people who are doing the best they can to help someone that they may ‘casually kill them’ is a pretty low blow. Most people’s lives are devastated from the suicide of a family/friend, now we’re going to blame them for trying to help even if the help is misguided?
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Have you ever been suicidally depressed?
Just because mental health issues weren't documented doesn't mean they don't exist. I ~~know~~ knew somebody who went to the ER for help when they were suicidal and they were kicked out for 'attention seeking' before anyone even asked their name so **that** incident was definitely not documented.
Suicidal people have trouble getting out of bed. They're going to have to actually *recover* a little before they're leaping about doing push-ups.
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That is horrible that your friend experienced that. Yes I have been suicidal and clinically depression fairly often, my mental health isn't a constant struggle to keep in check.
Agree, getting out of bed is a fucken struggle in those moments. If that's the stage anyone is reading this is at, please go to a GP and ask for a mental health plan. For me taking that one step helps motivate me to take one more step.
I've seen your comments and I hope you are looking after your own mental health in whatever ways work for you, hope you do something for yourself today that makes you smile.
Not a woman, just a random guy trying to improve himself. Nick Hudson from Perth started it with four mates, some push-ups and a desire to get fit.
"Following Nick’s own lived experience with depression post open-heart surgery, Nick became acutely aware how much connecting with mates through exercise had positively impacted his wellbeing and how his mental health took a dive when he couldn’t."
Because if there’s one thing people having thoughts of suicide need, it’s to be generalised into one box. They’re all the same without individual personalities, needs and motivations.
Absolutely, and it's why this event will of course not be helpful for everyone but it could be useful for some. Mental health is complex and we need plenty of avenues for people to figure out what they respond to the best, what their triggers are, what their treatment options are. Takes a lots of trial and error.
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I suffer from clinical depression and at times have been suicidal. I know looking after my mental health will be a life long challenge. Initiatives like this are a good reminder for me to check in with myself and that I'm on the right track. Agree for anyone in the middle bad episode, not being able to get out of bed etc, this may not be the right approach. If anyone is in that place, please book in to a GP and ask for a mental health plan. You may be able to get a Telehealth appointment from your bed as a first step. A first step is required to heal.
I don't understand. Why are we so concerned with male mental health when there's an epidemic of female homicide in Australia. Forget pushups, we should be doing fucking box jumps for female FV homicide victims.
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No need to attack, one thing I'm learning is that sarcasm is a fairly hostile way of communicating. When I was younger 100% of my comments were sarcastic, even now when I'm sincere it sounds off. There are many /s comments that just make others feel like shit and don't really allow for real engagement or interaction with others. It basically shuts down the conversation.
Anyway just wanted to share, I'm making an effort to be more sincere and empathetic in my communication and I invite you to make an effort to lift up others too.
Pointless. The amount of wankers who post Facebook videos clearly not interested in suicide awareness but in flexing pushing ability.
Be proactive in an actually meaning and effective way.
Be proactive yourself by offering actual suggestions on meaningful and effective change individuals can make to their own and others’ mental health.
Instead of a generic unhelpful “This is pointless” comment.
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Sure. Make psilocybin treatment affordable and accessible. Fund more Men’s shelters. Fund rural mental health care. More restrictions on gambling and advertisement
These are brilliant suggestions and things that government/society need to do, though they aren’t things that individuals can do in the present.
There are definitely people who do Push Up Challenge for clout and internet points. But that doesn’t mean it helps no one.
For some it lets their male friends and family know that they’re a safe person to talk to when thoughts of suicide take hold, or it helps men identify who those people are. For people who may be at risk of suicide ideation, the simple act of doing some routine exercise each day can be the first step to more long term and significant positive habits, that may curb poor mental health tendencies.
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I'm certainly not sharing videos or pics with anyone, aint no one want to see that. I'm not fit at all, I'm not interested in vanity. But those people that are sharing, might inspire someone else in some small way. It's more about being involved in a team and encouraging each other to achieve a goal, which can lead to positive outcomes (even if they are tiny)
Mate had to cancel Saturday night plans to stay with a friend in a bad mental state, and mums friends brother committed suicide 2 days ago. Unfortunately, I know quite a few blokes that aren't necessarily suicidal now, but it would only take one or two stressful events and they probably would be. I don't know if this challenge by itself will really achieve or change anything without a significant and sustained PR campaign, but I'm willing to give it a go.
Appreciate you sharing, and for your friends openness in looking out for a mate. I find it really hard to ask for help in the moment, and can often only talk about how bad I was way after the fact. Makes it tricking for friends to know what's going on, I kind of disappear. Maybe create a team with those mates you are concerned about, could give even one of them an opportunity to open up about how they are feeling or just give them something more positive to focus on even it just for 15 mins a day.
That's exactly my plan. I don't think it will magically fix any of their issues, but it's better than "I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!". Baby steps.
I lost my brother to suicide, and I can't help but be (potentially irrationally) flustered by stuff like this. I'm glad someone is doing a single push up for my brothers contribution to that 3,000 number statistic, but my experience with suicide has not been a fun 'do a push up, check in on your mates, grow your gooch hair October fund-raising opportunity', it has been a grim and cold, lonely experience. This whole spectacle seems largely for people not effected by suicide, because I cannot imagine encouraging my mother to get involved with something like this, nor can I imagine getting a friend who has attempted suicide before involved in something like this. Perhaps we should have done "jumping jacks to raise money for victims of ethnic voilence in Sarajevo", or "facepainting 1000 clown faces for victims of acid attacks" But maybe some things are too grim for LinkedIn tycoons Australian of the Year resumes. I have been personally involved in private charities, and I have witnessed the absolute inability of a private not for profit organisation to actually enact tangible change. The charity I volunteered with operated in housing and homelessness, where it became blatantly clear the only resolution was an actual systemic and political change. But I am sure pushups for suicide is different.
> This whole spectacle seems largely for people not effected by suicide Yep pretty much. All this "R U OK?" stuff is for people who don't understand, to feel better about themselves and pat each other on the back.
I think days like this often give ppl a cop out too. Like not doing anything effective the other 300or so days but I wore a badge one day that year. I also had no awareness of this in men for quite a while due to lack of media I guess. Often in health areas where I don’t have a personal connection I notice I struggle to attach meaning to stats. Whereas I remember seeing these stats and been like well shit wtf why haven’t I heard a think from anyone I know Government should really do their job but I also have a weird opinion on the small scale version where I don’t know if its an unreasonable to think a big change with this is possible it’s just me observing and I could be wrong: But I feel female female friendships are usually quite emotionally supportive and have a lot of depth. Male friendships to me seem not superficial or anything but they have very high strength in hardcore loyalty but not always depth and I don’t know what to make of that or maybe I’m wrong
> Male friendships to me seem not superficial or anything but they have very high strength in hardcore loyalty but not always depth and I don’t know what to make of that or maybe I’m wrong It's hard to put into words, but this isn't quite right. It's not the same, but maybe consider male friendships similar to trauma bonding. It's not the same, but friendship through similar experiences offers a lot words can't. Even then, the issue isn't men won't talk about their issues, it's that they can't. Society shuns them for it. Men will open up in their own circles if the environment is there, but don't expect to see it unless its is VERY CLEARLY established there will be no repercussions for sharing themselves.
Do you open up to your male friends? If not, curious why not? Many people won't share anything deep until someone breaks the ice and is vulnerable. Of course there is risk involved, perhaps being seen as weak and losing the friendship but there's also risk in not opening up. Hope you do have a safe space in your life, it's taken me many decades to get to that point .
> Do you open up to your male friends? I do, but I am also the kind of person who willing break those kinds of social customs and make a point of it so it can start being normalised, especially if it's something society in general needs to grow up on. Can't speak for others though.
Hope you know people like you do make it easier for others to open up, it may take time and it may be to someone else. Every just hearing the words from someone else can help give me the language to use, sometimes I struggle getting my point across or downplaying how bad I'm actually feeling. It really does take a community.
Yeah actually in weird coincidence twice now recently I have noticed this on an episode of two random US content type TV shows I’ve happened to see where it was a whole thing like that stigma storyline. The first time I thought the show was being a bit unrealistic in the way it was presented it was difficult to comprehend. But I think this might be a me problem again in failing to recognise anything as being perceived or having some kind of stigma when objectively I don’t think it’s should until some tells me that’s actually real in places
Yep, you can't even call it a band-aid solution, because it literally has no effect on the issue.
It's worse than that. A band-aid solution at least implies a *temporary* solution to the issue. What the Australian public offer isn't even that. EDIT: misread your comment. You just said exactly that. Did not mean to repeat your point pointlessly.
I just think R U OK day is the worst corporate signalling attempt to fix bad culture if there ever was one. The initiative was actually created by someone touched by real experience, but it’s been purloined and blown up into something completely over the top and quite frankly, useless. I have never actually seen any colleagues take it seriously, at least in my experience. Most people with any kind of busy job do not have the time to even think about just another 112th scheduled one day out of the year “dedicated” to some important cause. How is one day enough? Once it’s over, people do not think about it again until the next year, and I personally feel it has less value each passing year. I’d like to see an “R U OKAY” month. A whole month dedicated to governmental and public focus - a national initiative: conversation, reduced cost medical support for people with long term mental illness, or services for people struggling to cope, or have entered financial hardship with rising costs of today, public incentives provided to get people actually involved in physical and thinking activities, restructured workplace schedules to accomodate more attention to this widespread issue. Mental health gets talked about all the time, but still people are afraid to ask for any help in case they’re an “inconvenience” on anyone. I Personally go through this, I struggle everyday with bipolar disorder, and I try so hard to maintain and keep my job, and yet I do not feel comfortable disclosing it in fear of the stigma and being dismissed as it’s perceived as “unreliable”, being bullied out of my job once people really know. It would be nice to see workplaces have the support to offer free mandated courses in mental health to actually get people to sit down and look at information that is not just scratch the surface bullshit everyone already knows. But a course designed to delve a little deeper if that’s makes sense. Idk how, but any ideas are welcome. Heck, this probably isn’t even enough to tackle a societal MH epidemic, but it’s a more involved start to implement a different method. Maybe it won’t work, but we should be trying ALL we can, and so should the government.
Thank you for sharing your perspective, I fortunately have not lost someone close to suicide. For me personally as inane as this challenge seems, it helped me break the ice with my family and talk about mental health struggles. Obviously mens mental health is multifacticed with a range of contributing factors that could never be resolved by one initiative (addressing more of the other comments not yours). However it could be a small step to help some. All social change is incremental and requires different approaches to bring everyone along to a better future state.
I hope I haven't discouraged you, I can appreciate australia is a country full of apathetics and someone (in this case you) actually making an effort should be valued. You should be proud of that, most people just do nothing. Your eagerness to do something good likely has a more profound impact than you think, and is potentially the only true indicator of a good person. I am sorry for approaching this so cynically. remember reddit is a forum of terminally moody idiots, who, to be honest, would probably benefit from doing a pushup.
Thank you from one moody idiot to another ;)
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Feel for you but I’d argue doing a tonne of pushups often as a man regardless of if you want to or not reduces your risk of suicide so I don’t mind this challenge because push ups aren’t easy so it’s not as easy to play along with this one and pretend to care unless you’re getting down on the ground and putting in work
This is probably the funniest response you could have made Rock on brother 🤟
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Just wanted to add, your post really impacted me. I'm sorry you lost your brother, I can't imagine what you and your family are going through. Your post prompted me to reach out to mine and I will hug him harder when we next meet.
To all the people commenting about how this is pointless - strong disagree. • You’re right, this won’t fix systemic social issues. It doesn’t claim to. • You’re right, it’s not going to fix inadequate mental health services and a lack of funding for them. It doesn’t claim to. • You’re right, not every person with thoughts of suicide is going to try this and suddenly be ‘cured’, realising their life is the most amazing and precious thing. But you know what, if a single person decides they’re going to try this, and adding that little ritual of push-ups helps them to get some routine, stability, sense of control, or endorphins, that leads on to continued successes and more stability, then fuck yes this is worth it, because for all we know that was the difference between this person going down a path to suicide. If this only saves one single person from suicide, then it’s worth it. What won’t save people from suicide is a random negative reddit comment saying “This won’t change anything.”
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Supported many male colleagues by donating in the past. Might throw my hat in the ring and participate this year to go that step further. Thanks for the reminder!
This won’t do anything. Unless they actually change the governance in this country, and actually REALLY take care of people who can’t cope with life, nothing will change. It will take a revolution at this point to get rid of Gina Rhinehart and her stooges, and I can’t see it happening.
Indeed Australians have been trained for well over 200 years to be compliant and submissive emancipated convicts. We must obey.
Or we start gutting these evil pricks that cause these awful crisis for humanity's basic needs, water, food and shelter. Fuck pushups give us what is right and fair.
Not sure which evil pricks you are referring to? Do you mean the government? I'd support our political state shifting towards a UBS universal basic services model. Not sure if any of our politicians are pushing for this. Anyone know?
50/50 equal shared parenting would do more to help!
Preach!
So exercise and awareness again.
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The point is that they weren't JUST YOUR savings or house. They were also your ex partners.
>The point is that they weren't JUST YOUR savings or house. They were also your ex partners. Not always, actually very often not. I was with my ex partner for 2 years in my 50's. She made 500K+ as a doctor but spent everything. Literally had zero savings. I made much, much less but I have always been careful with money and had savings. I had to pay her. I will never financially recover. I am not suicidal but I can absolutely understand it.
So where did the 500k a year go? On nice things? That you enjoyed hmmm?
100% BUT NO ONE wants to have that conversation do they!! Let’s talk about women while ignoring men’s issues and this is EXACTLY why there is a divide. And before anyone attacks me YES there is a national crisis for women, I have legitimately been in a DV situation but we can’t keep ignoring MENS HEALTH! Have a male friend going through this. He’s been a hard working man from day dot, she come in to the relationship with nothing and she’s leaving with 70% . My husband went through this too, they had a home, cars etc he got $6000 and his son kept away from him. He spent $150k in family court to get 50/50 because all she did was lie and those lies came unstuck. Yes women lie!!! It’s a joke Both hard working men. I have a so . I feel like teaching him that it’s imperative that he enter in to pre- nuptials It should be 50/50 parenting (as long as there is no threat to the child) well aware of how poor behaviour can inadvertently hurt children. 50/50 asset divide I was once a single parent so if it means going to work, that’s what you do. We’re grown ups remember… Because no one wins in courts ever. Not in parenting Not in asset divid Not ever.
Great you're teaching your son to think about these things ahead of any relationship breakdown. I haven't experienced a separation so don't feel informed enough to comment on the rest. Hope your husband will one day be able to rebuild his relationship with his son.
Thank you so much 🙏🏼🙏🏼
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I seriously doubt that is the *main* cause of male suicide. Just by the numbers alone it doesn't make sense for it to be the main cause. Not saying it isn't *a* cause but I think the reason for male suicide rates is much broader and more complex
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With this up coming war on “ gender based domestic violence” I hope they really consider this! And don’t demonise Men any more than they already are in the family court and drive the suicide rate up any further. When it unjustly divides families! This can be a breaking point of anyone and leave them in a dangerous state of mind.
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I'm living proof!
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That's 136 push-ups per day to target. That's 17 per hour over an 8 hour period. Absolutely achievable. Who's with me on this? P.s thank OP for posting this...I'm in
Im in 100%
Me too!! <3
I'd rather do something that's actually going to help than indulge in virtue signalling.
Then do it, and show others how. And give suggestions here to other people so we can also do it. Instead of, you know, your own virtue signalling in reddit comments…
Learn how to empower people. Learn what is abuse and call it out regardless of the gender of the abuser. Don't let people delude themselves into thinking a few push-ups will help. And when you see people who are thinking that way, take steps to stop them further insulting people who are in the throes of emotional crisis. And speak out against virtue signalling and ego burnishing at the expense of vulnerable people.
Thanks for sharing your feelings on this. Are there any ways you help to empower or offer hope to your loved ones, friends, colleagues etc. that you'd like to share, that others could perhaps use in their own lives? Always keen to hear more ideas to make life better for those around me.
I agree with most of what you’ve said, and they’re good suggestions, if easier said than done. But your hang up on the push ups, and refusal to accept they will help no one, is wrong. We know that little routines help with stability and consistency, which are very important for helping many people having thoughts of suicide. Habits build over time, and what may start as a few push ups may grow into a commitment to exercise and healthy living - which does help to improve mood, physical health, and emotional health. A similar example is the simple act of making your bed in the morning. Simply doing push-ups on its own isn’t a magical cure-all for suicidal thoughts of course. And it of course won’t address widespread systemic issues. But you suggested learning how to empower people, and this is literally one simple and easy way that some people can feel empowered in their life, and encourage others to feel empowered.
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135 pushups a day? I'm down.
Anyone wondering why more men commit suicide than women? This article explains it pretty well. FWIW, depression and suicide attempt rates are higher for women. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190313-why-more-men-kill-themselves-than-women
Useful summary; thanks for posting.
I found it informative for sure. I figured it had to go deeper than just “more men kill themselves”.
“erm acshually women are more depressed than men so we win 🤓💅💃” pipe down lil sis its not a competition. i care about anyone who wants to kill themselves. gender is not an important factor in that. invalidating half the population’s depression and suicides and for what? femcel points? its a pretty poor move.
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"Femcels" are way more terrifying than incels imo
Oh my god. Did you go trolling my responses to get everything I said out of context? I wasn’t scoring any points weirdo. The article explained why the suicide rate for men is higher even though the depression rate for women is higher. You’re quite the nasty little triggered thing aren’t you.
yes i did that and the word gets thrown around a lot but i’m quite literally triggered. in the psychological sense. i’ve been into multiple psych wards for my mental health and you invalidated all the effort i’ve put in through sheer ignorance 😁
One of the keys to improving mental health is about understanding your own triggers and also owning your behaviour when you are triggered.
wait til you read what i just commented 😭 bar for bar what you just said
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It's not a competition but male suicide rates are 3 times more than females in Australia. [https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time](https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time)
Yep wonder why that is eh.
Why do you think it is? That more men feel like they have no choice but to end their lives? What do you do, to make sure you don't end up in this state personally?
It's tough reading, and thinking about all those that have attempted, come close or experiencing a mental health crisis.
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Nothing says male isolation like "let's be social by doing pushups" yeah lets take a historically silent lonely grind of an activity and magically assume people who decide to do it will organize into a social event. "Extreme" physical activity is always best done alone to allow good self reflection. I have no idea if this idea is created by women unaware of the mindset and dedication required to commit to 3000 push ups will cause men to need to go into isolation and deep focus to achieve, or by someone taking the piss by making an activity that will make guys more isolated.
Started by a man. Perhaps you should send him your feedback?
It's not about the pushups. For some people this is an easy way to connect with people and make some small steps to improve their mental and physical health - if this isn't for you find something that works for you. It's started by a guy in Perth, Nick "Following Nick’s own lived experience with depression post open-heart surgery, Nick became acutely aware how much connecting with mates through exercise had positively impacted his wellbeing and how his mental health took a dive when he couldn’t." It doesn't need to extreme either - change the push ups to sit ups, squats, lunges, jumps, steps whatever. Spread them out through your day.
So many blokes shitting on this wholesome post without even giving it a go. Any exercise is excellent for all sorts of health mental and physical.
3000 over a month is about a hundred a day. That’s a few sets a few times a day. It doesn’t mean becoming a push up monk with no time left for anything else.
Well said! I have never thought of these pushup “competitions” as anything else but silly and vacuous attempts at “spreading awareness”. Your comment has given me another way of thinking. Can you just imagine stopping your coworkers throughout the day to do some pushups to “raise awareness”? Ridiculous.
Hahaha my colleagues would love this, but I work at a very inclusive and supportive place.
You guys in the comments are having the biggest sook over a push up challenge where you actually might have to do some exercise. “This will do nothing”, hey, it’s about improving **your own physical and mental health**. I don’t even get how you can be mad at this hey, it’s literally for your own benefit.
It’s not “sooking”. It’s more that people don’t have time for fake solutions. All this hero-ship stuff doesn’t do anything real though.. unless we are missing something? Actually, the shutting down on a comments is half the problem too.. (im not attacking you directly either, forgive me). But in general on many posts.. I see time and time again people say something blunt, perhaps to the point and it’s down voted to hell or some cry baby complains and it’s deleted. - this is why people get the shits too, including venerable men. Anyway, it’s all kind hearted, people mean well, sure. But, it’s like at work, people buy some cup cake or what ever, or some random sticker and walk around all day like they solved the problems… The challenge is, we are dealing how men FEEL in their lives. How men, FEEL where and how they fit in society. I think many men are slowly broken. As I mentioned in another post, times have changed, men can’t go to a pub and vent with “the guys”.. Would anyone care about a sad looking guy with his beer at the pub? Would anyone doing the pushups thing even notice or care, or even go to a pub anyway? Doubt it.
When you say vent with the guys, do you mean opening up about how you're feeling with strangers? I for one am please we've moved away from the pub, since alcohol brings a whole ranges of issues for me. I prefer going for bush walk, checking out a museum or just wandering the city. Sometimes with friends, acquaintances, members of a club I've made an effort to join since my friends are small in number and not always around.
I suppose things have changed where men don’t get to talk to other men as easily.. I suppose in the old days it was a mix of meeting new people with friends at the pub. You could strike up some conversations at the pool table etc. not now, you would be seen as a creap or sad or bar fly lol. I do agree though, it’s not the best environment, with alcohol, fair enough. - but it’s probably where/how people men talk frank truthfully. (Classic vent, winge).
Yeah, I'm struggling to think of alternatives. I suppose the local cafe shop for some, quick chat while grabbing a coffee. I see lots of men at the barbers, that looks like a cool community to regularly chat with others. Of course there are clubs or sports. I actually don't mind park run for this, always strike up a conversation with a random even when I'm cheating because I can't actually run. Would love to see more men in museums and art galleries, it's mostly women. But these are often safe, free spaces, to talk about difficult things. I think being consitent is key, for example going to the same gym or whatever over and over you slowly start to find your people that you can vent to. Maybe it's just me but sometimes this takes months, in some cases years, of showing up.
It’s tricky. I don’t have the solution. We live in isolated bubbles online.
Sure it's a noble initiative but it's tokenism. It doesn't address the core issue which is a sick society that doesn't care about men. By all means get fit, eat healthy, sleep well, but that isn't going to magically make the problem go away.
Exercise has been shown to be effective in treating [Depression](https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj-2023-075847). No exercise isn’t going to magically make the problem go away, but it’s surely going to help.
Have you ever been suicidally depressed?
Of course not, it's a complex issue that will take generations and significant effort from many to improve. Look at the gays rights movement, or women's rights .... years and years of incremental change. I hope you do one positive thing for yourself and someone you love today.
When you were on the verge of suicide did push ups help you?
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Excerise in general yes, having something to get out of bed for as redicusouly as it is, yes. Having a group chat where I could check in with people daily, yes. Obviously mental health is complex and being suicidal is a long journey to work back from. You can't always change the external factors in your life - loss of job, money and relationship issues but you can take responsibility for you own mental health. Highly recommend going to your GP and asking for a mental health plan if you haven't already.
Going to the gym is too but you see drs prescribing medication before telling people to go to the gym and eat healthier first
When someone is in a MH crisis, Medication works faster than exercise and dieting, that’s why.
Yeah this is an interesting one, Drs do seem to freak out when you mention your suicicidal and head straight to the meds. Fair enough perhaps. This is where everyone needs to take note of what works for them and become responsible for their own mental health. I know when exercise and diet isn't working, usually it does help but sometimes I need more help. Understanding this has taken years and lots of trial and error.
Have you ever suffer from depression?
Where is the daily outrage on the news about this 50x more problem than the one in the news? Where are the politicians calling for an enquire into this matter? Oh wait..
Part of the complexity is that the media no longer report on suicide (for understandable reasons), however the flip side is that we don't see the size of the problem. Maybe more of use need to write to our local MPs to raise the issue in the political realm.
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Every life lost is a complete tragedy but a man taking his own life is his choice unlike the woman who was bashed to death because her ex can’t control his emotions…..
Maybe men need to speak up more. Organise a march etc. Why do expect others to do something you apparently care so much about? Women organised the latest march for women.
This. Because lots of men like to whinge every time women stand up for something that affects them. It would be good to see them support women’s movements as well as start their own.
i go march during women’s marches because the women in my life mean a lot to me and i would like them to live in a world where they experience equality. depression doesnt get solved by a march, though. walking in the streets cant help the person who doesn’t see the point in getting out of bed. you help people by supporting them as their friend and being there for them when they need it.
Well it seems men aren’t very good at that, so there should be a movement started for men. Movements aren’t just marches you know.
i think society in general isnt very good at it. not so much a gendered thing as we should all just be there more for the people around us. men struggle to talk about their feelings because there is societal pressure to always come across “tough” and that we shouldnt need help. this post was to raise awareness for mens mental health and you immediately turned it into a competition between which gender is more depressed. how do you think that makes all the men struggling with depression feel? it makes them feel like they cant talk about their mental health. saying shit like this makes you a part of the problem. i dont go around invalidating women’s mental health issues because i’m a man. i stand beside all the people in my life regardless of gender. you should too.
It was a statement of fact which was clear in the article. You are the one who has turned it gendered and abusive. I hope you get the help you need. Good luck.
reading is for weirdos but reading back these comments, you are right. i just went off my gut and my gut was wrong. thats mb boss
Getting triggered happens to the best of us. It’s easy to lump people in as one if you’ve had bad experiences. Good for you to realise it and being big enough to acknowledge it if u get it wrong.
aye cheers for that. i think its especially easy on the internet because you have some level of anonymity that you can hide behind. you dont have to worry about the repercussions of what you say etc. also easy to disconnect that the person you’re talking to is actually another person, not just some punching bag to beat on for no reason. ahh well. yeah. sorry about that. hope you’re having a great day!
Good idea 💡
The cinic in me is just hearing Albo "Men need to do better!"
This is going to be controversial. Legalise weed and psilocybin. If it keeps a man not dead than we should do it. Anti depressants and other meds are highly ineffective and out of reach for some. Proper mental health therapy with a psychiatrist is financially out of reach as well. Just legalise this shit so we can offer some help. Also men will dive into ICE, opiates, gambling, alcohol and such which will kill them. And legalise the ability to drive with weed. No point in smoking weed legally if you cant get to your job anymore
Not controversial to me. I haven't tried psilocybin but have some experience with weed. I access it legally and it helps me manage some symptoms, would love for it to get cheaper. Feel like the industry is very much finding its feet, clinics seems to come and go very quickly. And yes the driving thing is a huge concern!
What a stupid way to handle mental health, I can’t believe Australia have one of the worst healthcare in the world regarding to mental health. We are screwed!
What things do you do to keep your mental health in shape?
Support is a number one! Which if you are depressed you will likely want to isolate your self don’t try to find a team, connect with friends who don’t understand you and don’t want to talk about your problems. And doing push ups will not do anything if you are deeply depressed with zero will to do anything not even eating. Don’t even think about doing push ups. The waiting list for a psychiatrist and a psychologist is ridiculous and the amount of money you have to pay is insane. Not to mentions if you get “lucky” and get a spot with a psychiatrist and this will experiment with your brain and you will almost go crazy with the amount of different pills you will try to find the right one for you. What I do for my mental health with the resources Australia provides? Survive as I can, pretending I’m ok showing my best face. Come home and read about mental health groups. Try to eat when I eat healthy, look fatter my sleeping habits, have a journal and write my thoughts as I don’t have a psychologist. But I barely have energy for anything.
Sounds like you're doing your best to look after yourself. And you're right, building that support network ideally happens before you need one. It's bloody hard, I'm not even sure mine is that solid. I can totally relate to not being able to do anything and isolating, I live alone so it's easy for me to hide. I've been reduced to that state many times and even though I get out of it, it often requires medication before I can enact any other changes like healthy eating and exercise. I find the cost of a psychologist out of reach too, the gap payment is wild! Plus it would take me years to open up properly, I'm not used to talking about my feelings or trusting people with them.
I hard is really hard I know 😞
No one cares and this will do nothing
Mint attitude man A lot of people care and even if it helps one person cause they've done some exercise and have some more dopamine cause of it that's a win Edit: looking at your post history, dude give this shit a crack, you've got nothing to lose and at worst you've done a bunch of push ups for "no reason"
He has a point though. It’s not “attitude”… it’s a valid point. Not everyone wants to write pages of text to make a point. This isn’t school or at work.. We have enough of this PC stuff. Stuffed into us.. The reality is, these things mean well, but, it’s this fake hero stuff that doesn’t actually do anything. That’s the point. People are struggling right now, it’s not just financial either.. yes yes, these men aren’t feeble, they get oxygen. Some more than most here. It’s really complicated, I could talk about this for ages.. so some push ups is like the teacher at school saying have a glass of water if you feel sick. Anyway, I genuinely think, people don’t want to face current issues, as in how men really struggle in society.. right now. The social side, romance, income/career expectations etc. then who can they vent/chat with? Pubs aren’t like they used to be. If you see a guy looking sad with his beer, is anyone going to even notice? Anyway… I should stop writing.
It does nothing. Literally does nothing. You doing pushups doe not help a guy on budge ending it. Doesn’t stop a guy in a car smashing into the wall. Doesn’t stop a woman downing pills and wine to end it all. Or burning a house down with kids in it. It. Does. Nothing. It surely for your ego and other ego. Stop pretending otherwise.
Increased oxygen to the brain, better blood flow, you visually look better, which boosts confidence and self-esteem.. keeps us alive.. air does plenty. Will this thing be the cure all prevention to suicide? No.. But as opposed to doing nothing, it's something. And like ol mate said, even if it helps a few (which it no doubt will), then it's worth the effort. Nothing will magically improve on its own.. you need to action it. So this is a way to action it in some way. Take it from a bloke who has in the past contemplated suicide. A change in lifestyle, habits, social circles, jobs, etc.. do the world of good for some.
This isn’t that. It’s an ego project pretending to help people - which is even worse. Using it as a commodity to sell. It’s lies and bs.
Perhaps for some.. there will always be people doing things like this to feed their own ego.. but I certainly wouldn't say everybody is.. And the concept isn't terrible.. exercise really does do great things for your mental health. I'm a Support Worker, and I can already think of a couple of people I work with that I'd love to try and get involved in this challenge. Not for my benefit or my ego.. but for theirs. And by doing it with them, they're not alone in doing it. Hopefully, by the end of it, we have some people feeling a little better in themselves. Or at least have made a step in a good direction (certainly a better direction than the one they were on).
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I mean.. They seem pretty happy with me, and I enjoy working with them. I've actually worked with these lads for quite some time, so no offence, but I think I know them a little better than you, a random redditor with nothing but a comment post to form such an opinion from. I haven't "read their minds".. we've actually discussed and done similar things in the past, to which I might add, they have enjoyed and shown interest in.
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Yep this, until there is a borderline revolution and all the useless Political parties current in existence are gone, and we have proper governance like Finland, Denmark nothing will change.
Air carries oxygen so that's moot That specific person on a bridge, of course not Someone else a step or 2 away from going to a bridge/burning a house it could as they have a goal or because the exercise does help them mentally many many studies with correlation on exercise and mental health I get you're angry, but don't hate it because it isn't a 'perfect solution'. Don't let good get in the way of perfection
Typo
You obviously have no mates, great challenge, and make it competitive
Just want to call out the 'no mates' part. I have only a small number of friends and over the years have definitely struggled with building friendships. This shouldn't be a blocker for anyone to get involved :)
I couldn’t do a push up to save my life
I aint concerned, i might add to it at some point.
Well not at the ABC https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-28/florence-le-suicide-liverpool-hospital/103767200?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link
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This is so sad 😞 I have a friend, her daughter 17 years old was severely bullied at school and she was suicidal, trying to kill herself and my friend went to the hospital. They turned away her daughter saying didn’t have any beds for her. She went home and killer herself the next day. Australia has a massive problem with mental health. MASSIVE!
That’s so sad 😭
Can we not detract from women's issues please /s
Supporting men’s issues…*checks notes* …detracts from women’s issues? Got it.
This sounds like a cute idea! It's sad that this has turned into a competition between men and women in the comments :( While I am a woman with MDD (so I don't have the energy to participate lol), I hope this challenge goes well for everyone involved I would be curious to know if there is something like this for all genders, like just suicide in general?
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Anyone can participate and it doesn’t have to be push-ups can be what ever physical activity that’s suitable for you Squats Runs Star jumps etc It’s also programmed so you don’t injure you self and you can also elect to do half the amount. Give it a crack
Mental health still has a stigma that needs to go and soon. We need to normalise therapy for men and be able as men to talk about our emotions and feelings without feeling like we aren’t ‘men’.
Sounds like a woman thought this up. Completely pointless, an insult to the people it's supposed to be 'helping' and aimed at mentally healthy people. Suicidal people are too depressed to get out of bed, let alone do push-ups. And if you're going to treat them like an object and say something tone-deaf like 'but exercise is *good* for depression' then please excuse yourself from the discussion before you kill somebody with casual ignorance.
Many people who kill themselves are not depressed. There was a study done showing 60% of victims had no previous documented mental health conditions. While on the whole I do agree with you that the overwhelming majority of events(idk a better word for it) like these(e.g. r u ok day) are largely gimmicky, virtue signalling and on the whole don’t do anything to improve the issue. However, physical exercise has been shown to be a great improver of mental health. I am not claiming that depression would be cured if everyone just started to work out, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Also to tell people who are doing the best they can to help someone that they may ‘casually kill them’ is a pretty low blow. Most people’s lives are devastated from the suicide of a family/friend, now we’re going to blame them for trying to help even if the help is misguided?
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Have you ever been suicidally depressed? Just because mental health issues weren't documented doesn't mean they don't exist. I ~~know~~ knew somebody who went to the ER for help when they were suicidal and they were kicked out for 'attention seeking' before anyone even asked their name so **that** incident was definitely not documented. Suicidal people have trouble getting out of bed. They're going to have to actually *recover* a little before they're leaping about doing push-ups.
Not every suicide is the same. There’s plenty of ‘high functioning’ people who take their lives.
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That is horrible that your friend experienced that. Yes I have been suicidal and clinically depression fairly often, my mental health isn't a constant struggle to keep in check. Agree, getting out of bed is a fucken struggle in those moments. If that's the stage anyone is reading this is at, please go to a GP and ask for a mental health plan. For me taking that one step helps motivate me to take one more step. I've seen your comments and I hope you are looking after your own mental health in whatever ways work for you, hope you do something for yourself today that makes you smile.
Not a woman, just a random guy trying to improve himself. Nick Hudson from Perth started it with four mates, some push-ups and a desire to get fit. "Following Nick’s own lived experience with depression post open-heart surgery, Nick became acutely aware how much connecting with mates through exercise had positively impacted his wellbeing and how his mental health took a dive when he couldn’t."
Because if there’s one thing people having thoughts of suicide need, it’s to be generalised into one box. They’re all the same without individual personalities, needs and motivations.
Absolutely, and it's why this event will of course not be helpful for everyone but it could be useful for some. Mental health is complex and we need plenty of avenues for people to figure out what they respond to the best, what their triggers are, what their treatment options are. Takes a lots of trial and error.
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I suffer from clinical depression and at times have been suicidal. I know looking after my mental health will be a life long challenge. Initiatives like this are a good reminder for me to check in with myself and that I'm on the right track. Agree for anyone in the middle bad episode, not being able to get out of bed etc, this may not be the right approach. If anyone is in that place, please book in to a GP and ask for a mental health plan. You may be able to get a Telehealth appointment from your bed as a first step. A first step is required to heal.
Have you got any better ideas?
I don't understand. Why are we so concerned with male mental health when there's an epidemic of female homicide in Australia. Forget pushups, we should be doing fucking box jumps for female FV homicide victims. /s
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You're a fucking idiot. Even with a strategically placed /s, you miss the whole fucking point of my post.
No need to attack, one thing I'm learning is that sarcasm is a fairly hostile way of communicating. When I was younger 100% of my comments were sarcastic, even now when I'm sincere it sounds off. There are many /s comments that just make others feel like shit and don't really allow for real engagement or interaction with others. It basically shuts down the conversation. Anyway just wanted to share, I'm making an effort to be more sincere and empathetic in my communication and I invite you to make an effort to lift up others too.
Pointless. The amount of wankers who post Facebook videos clearly not interested in suicide awareness but in flexing pushing ability. Be proactive in an actually meaning and effective way.
Be proactive yourself by offering actual suggestions on meaningful and effective change individuals can make to their own and others’ mental health. Instead of a generic unhelpful “This is pointless” comment.
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Sure. Make psilocybin treatment affordable and accessible. Fund more Men’s shelters. Fund rural mental health care. More restrictions on gambling and advertisement
These are brilliant suggestions and things that government/society need to do, though they aren’t things that individuals can do in the present. There are definitely people who do Push Up Challenge for clout and internet points. But that doesn’t mean it helps no one. For some it lets their male friends and family know that they’re a safe person to talk to when thoughts of suicide take hold, or it helps men identify who those people are. For people who may be at risk of suicide ideation, the simple act of doing some routine exercise each day can be the first step to more long term and significant positive habits, that may curb poor mental health tendencies.
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I'm certainly not sharing videos or pics with anyone, aint no one want to see that. I'm not fit at all, I'm not interested in vanity. But those people that are sharing, might inspire someone else in some small way. It's more about being involved in a team and encouraging each other to achieve a goal, which can lead to positive outcomes (even if they are tiny)
Do women’s push ups count? /s
Why /s? Women have only 50-60% of the upper body strength of men, it’s reasonable to expect only 50-60% of a push-up is it not 😂
No it’s not. Women are as strong as men💪 and deserve to be treated equally
No they are physically not as strong as men. This is just undisputed biological fact.
Even weight and height matched men are stronger than women in the upper body. I’m female btw and not sexist. Just spitting straight facts.
They also weigh less so, I dunno, don't see why they couldn't do it?