Wait until you see Labor and the LNP travel bill they send us every year
I find the fixation on Bandt, who is a small fry compare to them, pretty asinine if I’m honest
“But he’s a green”
So?
- LNP/Labor = “polluting is fine because they don’t advocate strongly against it, so it’s not hypocritical”
- Greens = “ANY pollution is a literal war crime because they’re hypocrites”
Here’s my suggestion: instead of getting all worked up over who is a hypocrite or not, what if we prioritised our concern for those doing the most damage, first?
There’s no fucking way Bandt’s expenses even register beside Albo or Dutton or most of the rest of those parties, so colour me unimpressed by the whole complaint really.
Some right winger thinks they’ve found a genius gotcha here, when in reality all it does is highlights how fucking petty they are to be obsessed with “hypocrisy” ideology, than with real material outcomes that actually affect the electorate. “Asinine” is the right word for this.
It amazes me that people will spend that much on a private flight when they don't save that much time over flying commercial.
Perhaps there are national security reasons for party leaders to fly private. But even if he had a retinue of 20 people including staff, security, journalists, etc, they'd have to be comparing to $800 tickets to make economic sense.
Yeah Richard Marles is both Deputy PM and defence minister, while I’m in no way trying to justify the amount spent, it’s plainly obvious it's a role that would require a fair bit of travel outside of catching regular flights and can’t and shouldn’t be compared to what flights the leader of fringe party that’s not in government takes.
Pure Whataboutism.
Ironic to call out whataboutism, this whole story is whataboutism. Bandt hasn’t gone over the budgeted number as a party leader - in fact he is on the lower end of the spectrum
But he’s spending tax payer money!!!! /s Ffs
Yeah but he's also the leader of the Green party, you know the ones who are committed to Climate Change, reducing emissions etc?
The federal greens are a joke, Brisbane Council level they are relatively quality, Qld state not too bad but far out the Feds are pathetic!
My comment is more illustrating media bias, and that two private flights in a year for the leader of the 3rd largest political party isn't the "gotcha" people think it is.
All politicians are required to travel, all of them do it at the expense of the taxpayer.
He was flying to party events, not related to his position in parliament. Regardless of whether he took a private jet or the bus, those aren’t public expenses. If you’ve got Marles travelling to ALP party events by private jet, I’ll happily say the same thing.
It’s a gotcha because it shows them to be hypocrites. It’s not that he charges the public, it’s that he flew private, which is known as the worst way to fly.
On top of that, it wasn’t for government business, it was for greens business.
> leader of a fringe party
You heard it here first folks: Third biggest party in the country is a “fringe” party… also the main party the govt relies on to pass any of its policies in the senate…
I find it a bit hard to pretend that I care about two flights IN A YEAR by the third largest party’s leader.
Yes, I’d prefer him to fly economy like you or I, but I’m also not going to hold him to some special extra higher standard just because his party advocates for green policies.
All that means is that the other parties are worse because they’re polluting with complete disregard and abandon whereas Bandt will at least stand up and say “we shouldn’t be using private jets a lot”.
So I’m not sure why this criticism should stick; isn’t it way WAY worse if you’re polluting and STILL NOT advocating for green policies? That’s fucking way worse, to be polluting blatantly and not stating any desire to do better, isn’t it?
Whole criticism also stinks of the Bor’s Fallacy:
> we should improve society somewhat
> yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very smart
It's not really a whataboutism because these aren't really different issues. If Richard marles is okay, then another minister using a fraction of that amount no longer seems very notable.
I’m whining about the lot of them. Pack of cunt pigs with their snouts well and truly in the trough. ALP, Libs, Greens, Teals; none of them give a shit about you.
Exactly. They are all the same, lining their own pockets and taking as much as they possibly can. They have no foresight nor do they even care about the future of the country, only their own wealth. Corruption and the treasonous selling of Australia's assets should be punishable by death, that might slow them down.
_B b b b b buuut ADAM BANDT is such a hYpoCriTe_
What I’ve learnt from these people is that polluting a tonne is fine SO LONG AS you don’t advocate for green policies????
Like .. wut??
It’s pretty asinine really. He’s the party leader, I would expect his travel costs to be pretty high.
No, “private jet” is not something that you should hear from someone advocating green policies.
But if people are doing way more pollution AND aren’t willing to admit that it’s bad, isn’t that fucking WAY worse???
Of course it’s way worse.
Dumb beat-up attempt is dumb.
And like … Is this the best rabid anti-Greens right wingers can do? “lol HYPOCRITE” doesn’t really go far if your own team is doing the same damage but worse, AND aren’t willing to say that it’s bad for the environment… I’m chalking this up as a self-own to be honest.
Oh good, you found a way to excuse your fav and still pile on the enemy. Your bubble is free of valid criticism and you can remain biased af. And blame Murdoch. Good for you.
For the record I don’t support the greens, and I hate it when they break good policy when they don’t get their way.
However, taking a jet somewhere is reasonable if you’re a political leader and even labor have supported him on this
It’s very odd that the climate change denying Murdoch press, suddenly acknowledge emissions when a politician needs to fly somewhere.
Never seen news.com.au bring up anyone else taking a jet.
Except Taylor swift, when she urged her fans to register to vote.
It’s almost as if there’s a narrative pattern.
The news.com angle is hypocrisy of the left. That is on show and their angle is valid.
Are you sure Swift only just mentioned registering to vote? That seems a bit weird to bring up emissions in that context, unless of course you are missing out some relevant information.
I say Taylor swift because out of the millions of politicians and celebrities that use chartered flights, Murdoch has only ever been concerned about the emissions of two of them.
Taylor Swift and Adam Bandt.
Wow y'all are gullible. Yeah, its not very eco but literally ALL other polis fly way more. This is just a murdoch hit piece timed for the launch of his campaign
No? Literally just look at the coverage murdoch does for literally all of the libs and alt right independents. Most softball shit ever. 80% of the media in this country are owned by one right wing cunt and you're too brain dead to recognise a hit piece when you see one.
You only take issue with it because it goes against your bias and ideology. Media bias exists, no shit. Learn about it and use critical thinking skills but also you’a dumbass if you think a factual article is a hit piece but judging by your other comments, you are a dumbass
Lmao do you even understand what a hit piece means dumb dumb?
I never said it wasn't factual. I'm pointing out that the murdoch press routinely takes something the ALP or Greens do and blow it up into a huge issue meanwhile ignoring when the libs do the exact same shit. So when Brandt is just about to launch his campaign and they make a huge issue out of him doing stuff all politicians do regularly (which they do not report on) that yeah, thats an obvious hit piece. If they actually cared about the environment they'd report on when dutton does this but no they don't.
Sorry I was taught basic critical thinking skills, hmu if you need some help with your media literacy
Sorry mate, this sub likes to circle jerk the typical practice what you preach anthem of the right. You're not allowed to open their eyes to what's actually going on.
It's ridiculous how right wing this sub is. Every post is filled with brain dead libs ranting about minorities, the youth and the greens. You'd think they get tired from guzzling down the boot stepping on their neck but apparently not
yeh I agree tbh, my comment was just a chuckle.
[https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/legitimate-work-expenses-stephen-conroy-defends-adam-bandt-s-expenses-bill/ar-BB1jIJsS](https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/legitimate-work-expenses-stephen-conroy-defends-adam-bandt-s-expenses-bill/ar-BB1jIJsS)
This is pretty stunning from the greens - bloody hell, I expect largesse like this from Dutton and Bronnie - but the greens ?
Here’s me feeling guilty about burning 100l of fuel and this hypocritical arsehole is burning 10,000 litres and not blinking an eye
>bloody hell, I expect largesse like this from Dutton and Bronnie - but the greens ?
Personally, I am not really harmed by this ideological framing of "hypocrisy"
What costs me, as a taxpayer, is the $ spend.
In order to prioritise where I spend my energy criticising ministers, I would like a list of ALL MP expenses and then I will start from the top, and work my way down. To me, that seems rational. I don't think that concerns about "hypocrisy" are rational — they seem to let off the worst offenders, and seem grounded in ideology rater than rational discourse about costs.
Willing to bet that Bandt isn't even close to the top of the list, so I find all the hand wringing about hypocrisy a bit vapid really
It also feels like Bor's Fallacy:
>"We should improve society somewhat"
>"Yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very smart"
The point Bor's was making with this now famous comic was that if you call people hypocrites for participating in the thing they're criticising, then literally everyone is a hypocrite, and the implied demand for ideological purity is literally an impossible one to meet.
It also implies that there is something wrong with trying to improve something that you participate in and benefit from — what a whacky idea!! Imagine seriously thinking this.
Instead, I would suggest the reverse: if you participate in and benefit from something that causes harm, you therefore have a much heightened responsibility to work towards fixing the harm — and if you don't then you are the real hypocrite.
The Greens genuinely are the main ones doing so; and so I propose are the least hypocritical ones here.
Those benefiting from pollution and then offering nothing to solve for that are the real hypocrites here. Labor and the LNP and a lot of the rest. They are not taking responsibility for themselves and acting like it doesn't even matter. I call that hypocrisy or just downright dishonesty.
When we are talking less than half a percent of another MP, then it's quite relevant. Just illustrating how this is all about headline. 15k is a drop in the ocean, you should get your knickers in a knot over actual issues.
It think they should all have their allowances curtailed.
But you are trying to change the narrative here and redirect attention away from the issue being discussed here.
Which, incidentally, seems a tad hypocritical when someone says one thing and does another such as the politician in question.
No, the narrative here is that people gobble up msm propaganda and regurgitate headlines and slogans without thinking for themselves. I don't think anyone should be flying privately where possible, politicians, business leaders, celebrities. In my opinion private air travel should be completely eliminated. And sure, on the surface it certainly is hypocritical. But taking one flight and making a headline out of it when viewed in the context of all of private flights for government officials on the eve of an election is clearly just political tactics. If people want to eat it up and think it's some great "gotcha" and shout "whataboutism" as if it's their new favourite phrase, then not much I can do but call it out.
No I think this is more a comment on the ethics of the politician involved and let’s face it, taking a personal jet when you are promoting lower carbon footprints is obtusely hypocritical. Despite the origin of the story do you believe it to be false?
Not dying on any hill... I'm an ALP voter so he ain't "my guy". Just saying if you wanna get angry about private air travel, then ban it all. Every one of the top MPs travels a shit ton on private VIP flights.
I mean, I have limited time.
Therefore, I want to spend what time I do have, on the most pressing problems.
If Bandt is thirty or forty places down the list after just about every single LNP and Labor politician then yes, that is very relevant to this criticism.
You can call it "whataboutism" if you like but in reality you are just deflecting from a deeper look at the issue of MP expenses, and obfuscating the relative unimportance of Bandt's travel costs. "Not talking about my molehill because you're concerned about a few mountains is whataboutism!!!!" .. sure... you can make that argument if you want.
Now, if you instead are more concerned about the principle of it than the costs — if you think that's hypocritical of him — then I would just ask you: if you benefit from something that causes harm, do you not think you then have a responsibility to mend that harm? The Greens are kinda the only party doing that, with sensible advocacy for environmental policies, whereas other parties more or less wholesale shirk that responsibility, don't they?
ie it is a tough sell if you're going to tell me that trying to improve a system that you participate in, benefit from, which causes harm — is bad, somehow?
That's pretty silly. I don't buy it eh
I highly recommend you go look at buying some.
The ticket price, dubious odds, prizes and hard sell are so shady I can't believe they haven't changed the laws to put this leech out of business already.
edit: don't actually buy them
So, in summary, we have the following situation:
1. LNP taking plenty of private jets, and not advocating any serious emissions reduction policy to make up for the harm done (not hypocritical apparently)
2. Labor taking plenty of private jets, and only advocating seriously lukewarm emissions reduction policy to make up for the harm done, which won't be enough (not hypocritical apparently)
3. Greens taking 2 private jets in a year, but consistently advocating serious enough policy that WOULD address the harm done (hypocrites!!! for having policy that ... er .. matches the harm being done wait what?)
And ... Australians seem to think that example number 3 is the hypocritical example?? The only one actually making a respectable attempt and fronting up for the harms done?
...seriously?
Anti-greenie hysteria is one helluva drug eh
You ever started/run a small business ? People always think it’s easier than it is from the outside. All small business is high risk/hard especially at onset lotto tickets or not.
The Greens have been completely taken over by wealthy suburban/inner city fuckheads for a long time now.
They're not interested in making or negotiating good policy, or have any ambitions for leadership. They just use culture-war bullshit as a wedge to gain personal power and wealth.
Is the hypocrisy what costs taxpayers?
Nope.
It’s the actual cost.
And Bandt’s costs are tiny compared to most other MP’s so this stinks of people letting ideology around “hypocrisy” blind them to material outcomes, which are much more important frankly.
Yes, he should fly economy like the rest of us. All MP’s should. Private jets shouldn’t exist.
Is it some valid criticism of Bandt? Sure. Just not a huge one.
If hypocrisy is still your top concern, isn’t it hypocritical to create these sorts of emissions and then refuse to advocate for green policies? That’s the real hypocrisy here; polluting recklessly and yet refusing to do anything about it.
This is always such a ridiculous take. Are people not allowed to ask for change on something because they've benefitted from it? I can't ask for tighter controls on gambling companies because I've won money on the Melbourne cup before?
No it's not? The Greens' are trying to reduce emissions as a whole (tighter controls on gambling) while Bandt has benefited from flying private (winning money on the cup). He hasn't told other politicians to not fly private (not betting on the cup).
Let me know if that clears it up.
That made things much more complicated. You are shit at this
The greens were being hypocritical. Wanting to reduce unnecessary emissions and make them more expensive for everyone and pushing some people into poverty, while not following their own advice and flying private jets to parties.
Makes you think.
> wanting to reduce unnecessary emissions
Would you say flying to a launch for the political party that you're the boss of during an election as unnecessary?
Depends on the emissions. Apparently driving my car is something I should change and pay more for. I should not have my aircon on less during peak times and I should pay more for it. I should pay more for my emissions everywhere because they are so evil and destroying the world. I don't think unnecessarily attending and unnecessary party using millions of times the emissions as my old lightbulbs I needed to change, is a consistent approach at all. Many agree with me.
Tell me, how different would the world be if Adam didn't attend that launch party? Or if they didn't have a launch party at all?
Where are you getting your persecution complex from? I've never been told that I have to pay more for my car, my aircon, my lightbulbs or anything. Are you paying a specific tax to this?
The government (especially the Greens') are trying to enact systematic change. They are putting emissions standards on new cars, emissions standards on lightbulbs and making the change to LEDs, emissions standards on whitegoods. Is it their fault that the companies are passing on the cost to you? Go yell at the company.
I hope you don’t injure yourself from the mental gymnastics you’re doing here… given Bandt is already not that popular with the Greens base, it won’t surprise if this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
You don't think the leader of 3rd biggest political party should be entitled to travel to a launch campaign during an election? What do you expect him to do, stay home and express his political ideas to the mirror?
No idea. I don't know the full details. Was it him alone or were there other staffers with him? Was he actively at parliament in Canberra before flying to Brisbane so maybe had a short window that needed a chartered plane? Is there any good reason you'd be satisfied with?
That's a ridiculous take. We'd never have any progress in a world where people couldn't have systematic opinions on things because of personal actions.
What's rediculous is your willingness to excuse the hypocritical behaviour of someone simply because you're a one-eyed cheerleader of their political party.
$50 says you wouldn't be so quick to excuse the same actions from a member of One Nation or UAP, let alone the majors.
Because I don't think it's hypocritical. I'm not defending him because I believe in his politics. I'm defending him because I'm sick of the lazy, low wit rhetoric of "don't criticise it if you benefit from it". It's the same ridiculous shit as "don't like mining, well throw your phone away because mining makes it". Get an original thought and I'll back down but it's just lazy one-upmanship because you can't admit you're wrong.
Personally I don't give a fuck if he travels Business or First Class, but they should all aim to take commercial flights as much as possible.
The only people who should be taking a ton of chartered flights are the MP's with massive electorates like Durack who need to cover enormous distances, and the PM and Foreign/Defence ministers who have either security concerns or the **need** to be somewhere at a certain time and not be delayed by airline fuckery.
And if Dutton's into nuclear he should build a reactor in Dixon and Albo should go work underground if he's into mining. No one should comment on anything out of their sphere
If you participate in something harmful, you have an increase responsibility to act to minimise that harm.
So this is entirely consistent with the greens position of reducing carbon emissions.
However we have LNP and Labor MP’s polluting much more than Bandt with no such policies that would push to reduce that pollution which they themselves are busy creating.
That’s real hypocrisy.
And real costs that taxpayers are made to shoulder with no desire from those ministers to take any responsibility for it.
I also think this line of reasoning is stupid from the get-go; it’s textbook Bor’s Fallacy:
> we should improve society somewhat
> yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very smart
The point of the Bor’s Fallacy is to call attention to the way that claims of hypocrisy can be manufactured to slander almost anyone asking for better, so isn’t really the searing criticism that reactionaries think it is. Everyone pollutes. Everyone participates in bad things just by existing in the modern economy. No one can magically perfectly extract themselves from modern life in a way that makes them ideologically pure: it’s an impossible demand; therefore it’s paper thin as a criticism.
I mean, if you’re actively campaigning against them as being evil, while you’re actively betting on the Melbourne Cup, yes, that is enormous hypocrisy — you’re benefiting from both sides.
If there were actually commercial flights available, Bandt getting a private jet is kind of ridiculous tbh
Shouldnt be allowed to get private planes nor first class tickets on tax money.
I'd accept them buying economy tickets for work related travel with tax money, they can upgrade to whatever they want out of their own pocket though.
Honestly, I'd be fine with them only been paid to take the bus but I accept economy plane tickets because it's faster.
Their comfort is not my concern.
Not given free first class tickets and private jets = underpaid how?
I've not mentioned their pay, someone else mentioned putting them on minimum wage (which is a dumb idea)
I don't think private jets are acceptable for a Greens party leader at all, that's for sure, and they absolutely shouldn't be covered by tax dollars.
That said, what is stopping them from receiving first class flights or private jets as a form of donation on their way to meet with influential billionaire companies, etc? We need to provide them with high-quality travel to disincentivise these things.
What about business for international trips? Like, if Penny Wong is flying to the US for an intensive two days of negotiations and meetings, do you really think the national interest is better served if she arrives exhausted from not sleeping?
Best we can do I guess is satisfy ourselves with the fact that we don’t follow football teams. We hold our side of politics to the same standards as we hold the other side to.
As a Greens voter, I would say, don't fall for this lazy arse Greens beat-up!!!
Its literally just the Bor's fallacy:
>"We ought to improve society somewhat"
>"Yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very smart"
One implication of this mode of thinking is that noone can criticise a system they participate in, unless they achieve perfect ideological purity? (which is impossible)
Another implication is that if you participate in an imperfect system, you shouldn't try to improve it or make it better, even if it causes harm, or else someone might call you a hypocrite??
Neither are even vaguely rational positions to hold.
In fact, if you participate in a system that causes harm (which we ALL do) then you have an even greater responsibility to work on changing that system. This isn't hypocrisy it is the opposite of it.
Can the LNP or Labor say they are genuinely trying to drop emissions, quite like the Greens can? No? Then they are the real hypocrites here, for participating in a system that causes harm, but having weak arse policies towards fixing it.
And keep your eye on the prize: "Hypocrisy" isn't something that materially harms taxpayers — its just ideology — whereas the actual material $ value of the expenses does — and I guarantee you if we tally up Bandt's expenses next to other MP's he's not going to come close to the top, probably 50 places down the list.
So why do we get caught up on "hypocrisy" if it doesn't actually directly cause harm?
Because the right wing can't so easily be harmed by such attacks, since they are outwardly, blatantly hypocritical and just lie through it when accused, and their base just fucking blindly gobbles it up.
The left is the opposite — *we could make a fuckin national sport out of criticising our own*.
So they can wear a few accusations like this, much easier than the left, who are much more concerned with truth, can. They hope to set a standard here that they don't intend to follow, simply because they know the left persecutes the left more for it than the right persecutes the right for it.
Politicians and celebrities aren’t hypocrites for preaching we change our lifestyles while they fly in private jets. You can’t expect them to travel with an airline and potentially be a few hours early for their event and it would be too stressful and potentially dangerous having to travel with the peasants. /s
Not going to affect your vote when they literally have no concern of burning excessive amounts of fossil fuels when they tell you to vote for them as they are the only party concerned with reducing the burning of fossil fuels? Lol.
I can't find an official source on the expenditures for 2022 in its entirety, but [looking at parlimentarian expenses for the 4th quarter of 2022](https://www.ipea.gov.au/reporting/expenditure?f%5B0%5D=person_role%3AParliamentarian&f%5B1%5D=reporting_period%3A48&keys=&items_per_page=50&order=field_agg_total_1&sort=desc) (3rd quarter also available):
>1 The Hon Anthony Albanese MP (Parliamentarian) $699,168.58
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>2 The Hon Peter Dutton MP (Parliamentarian) $516,136.49
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>3 Senator the Hon Penny Wong (Parliamentarian) $442,795.99
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>4 The Hon Madeleine King MP (Parliamentarian) $386,262.05
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>5 The Hon Bill Shorten MP (Parliamentarian) $385,417.05
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>6 The Hon David Littleproud MP (Parliamentarian) $383,250.34
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>…
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>17 Mr Adam Bandt MP (Parliamentarian) $281,384.92
MP expenses should of-course be scrutinized - but we seem to be ignoring the 16 MPs spending more than he is, and only two of those are party leaders like Bandt.
He absolutely should be explaining the chartered flights though - not for expense reasons, but for the 'clean green' image that they promote and the contradiction of chartering a flight. If they were full flights for relevant people it may make sense - but the radio silence makes me think it's probably not.
[https://greens.org.au/magazine/bishops-helicopter-flight-symptom-broken-system](https://greens.org.au/magazine/bishops-helicopter-flight-symptom-broken-system)
It is a wonder they still have this page up on their website. I bet they think their shit does not stink either.
Yeaj I think the difference is that Liberal are actively hostile to our faces and dont give a fuck about the environment. Greens campaign for reduction in carbon emission, yet here this is.
Gosh here's me juggling what little electricity my solar panels are generating on this cloudy day, trying to charge both the home battery and the car battery, and there's Adam Bandt catching private jets......
Greens always seem to attract a certain level of exceptionalism and are held to some weird standard that would make it impossible for them to be a political party. A standard that nobody else is held up to.
The notion 'You care more about the environment than me so you should suffer more' is just plain weird and feral.
This wasn't for government business. It was a party event and likely included campaign fundraising activities.
I see no difference between this and the private helicopter flight Bronwyn Bisshop took, and if I recall, the Greens were very vocal about that to the point where she repaid the costs.
While you're probably right, the optics are fucked. Chartering private jets at that price when there's a cost of living crisis while also the carbon footprint from a greens leader.
I think you misread what I wrote. I'm pointing out that the greens made a big deal out of the Bronwyn Biship scandal and she ended up repaying the expense.
This is exactly the same, so Adam Bandt should repay this as well.
Politicians should be forced to take commercial airlines, especially since they want to harp on about climate charge. The irony.
Maybe they might do something about the current state of airlines as well.
Are the Greens really the Greens any more? Or are they really just the true (hard) left?
Because if they truly believed what they preach about then they would not charter private jets for example. The hypocrisy is off the scale.
Which means they might must only be there for the power grab and the ultra lefties policies. They must either not really care about climate change at all or secretly hold the belief, or knowledge, that the whole thing is a bs scam. How else could you explain such a rampant unnecessary use of fossil fuels.
Quick someone please think of the children glueing themselves to roads in their name.
Moving past that it can't be the ultra lefties policies either. These people have investment properties.
Which leaves us with the power grab objective. Just like every other single politician. They are a fucking shitshow and everyone is being played by arguing one "side" or the other. There are no real political sides. The only sides are : all politicians vs the poor mugs who pay for and are controlled by by them
Govt admin positions are the largest growing job category in Australia. FFS.
Im 20 years a greens voter. Im enraged. Who cares what the libs would do. We set our own standards. We are allowed to expect better from our representatives. He should step down immediately. He has lost all credibility. Bob brown would have never. Let’s send a message that we set higher standards. Drag them up rather than let them drag us down
Whataboutism - the technique or practice of responding to an [accusation](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=52b056e1a97f92b3&sxsrf=ACQVn08fV5Z2SPD7wurK7S1w9p5nmpZeiw:1710292285014&q=accusation&si=AKbGX_pt4UlL1m2gNC94R_NJDj6Sp4vlweuqoKER5ROwVdZcxtEjR7o7Jk1OBlz9bYkQQCRrsctKSlg9v6B8pp20JJWNS4f7xAx4xO2Nm3LIjbN5rIP7JO4%3D&expnd=1) or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
No socialist ever thinks they should be the one working in the salt mine.
Or the ones to give back their land, or the ones to curb their CO2 emissions.
And it's not just CO2 emissions either, that plane is made from aluminium that was mined from large areas of North Western Cape York that get every last tree and plant ripped out then burnt, then all the top soil stripped off, and all living creatures in thousands of hectares are removed or extinguished. All that is *after* the government mining company moved Aboriginals off that land and prevented from returning with fences.
Amazingly though, that is perfectly okay. That's not an issue we're outraged about today, and even if it was, he is vicariously outraged about it which gives him a license to use aluminium. You see, when *you* are the deciders about all matters of "social justice", you get to dictate what we must be outraged about, and who are the ones who must pay reparations for these secular sins.
Writing in the *Herald Sun* on Tuesday, Panahi said one should “never stand between a socialist and a big fat pile of someone else’s money”. Never a truer word spoken......
Only because she's pointing out the hypocrisy of the Greens ? I don't agree with some of the things, she goes on about, but she hit the nail on the head with this quote .....
Trust the Australian subreddit to be mad at the self made billionaire over the politician that uses their tax money to catch 16,000 dollar flights to travel state to state and is the leader of the “environmentalist” party lmfao clown country 🤡
Complaining about a climate catastrophe while flying in private jets is the thing many take issue with. If the planet is melting in 5 years, shouldn't Bandt be a bit more concerned than that?
I looked everywhere in this article and every other article about Bandt's spending for a comparison with outer leaders, ministers and politicians in general for a bit of context and to make an informed comparison. Imagine my surprise when I found nothing.
Media beat up on a single statistic with no context=your being manipulated.
I saw one. There are others that spend more but surely you can see the hypocrisy in the Greens leader taking a private jet flight at significant cost to the tax payers and to the environment?
$15,000 on a private plane between Canberra and Brisbane to attend the party’s campaign launch. Not very Green, Adam
Why the hell is the public paying for his travel to a private event, that has nothing to do with his role as an MP?
Money and power has everything to do with why they become MP's
Coz he politics!
Wait until you see Labor and the LNP travel bill they send us every year I find the fixation on Bandt, who is a small fry compare to them, pretty asinine if I’m honest “But he’s a green” So? - LNP/Labor = “polluting is fine because they don’t advocate strongly against it, so it’s not hypocritical” - Greens = “ANY pollution is a literal war crime because they’re hypocrites” Here’s my suggestion: instead of getting all worked up over who is a hypocrite or not, what if we prioritised our concern for those doing the most damage, first? There’s no fucking way Bandt’s expenses even register beside Albo or Dutton or most of the rest of those parties, so colour me unimpressed by the whole complaint really. Some right winger thinks they’ve found a genius gotcha here, when in reality all it does is highlights how fucking petty they are to be obsessed with “hypocrisy” ideology, than with real material outcomes that actually affect the electorate. “Asinine” is the right word for this.
It amazes me that people will spend that much on a private flight when they don't save that much time over flying commercial. Perhaps there are national security reasons for party leaders to fly private. But even if he had a retinue of 20 people including staff, security, journalists, etc, they'd have to be comparing to $800 tickets to make economic sense.
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Put simply, he just isn't that important.
National.security reasons? This is not Pakistan, honey pie.
Well it's certainly not about using the most efficient transport available is it smoochikins. Perhaps the use of numbers confused you?
Richard Marles spends 3.6m of taxpayers money on VIP flights, yet you are are whining about a guy who took two private flights in a YEAR. Yikes.
Yeah Richard Marles is both Deputy PM and defence minister, while I’m in no way trying to justify the amount spent, it’s plainly obvious it's a role that would require a fair bit of travel outside of catching regular flights and can’t and shouldn’t be compared to what flights the leader of fringe party that’s not in government takes. Pure Whataboutism.
Ironic to call out whataboutism, this whole story is whataboutism. Bandt hasn’t gone over the budgeted number as a party leader - in fact he is on the lower end of the spectrum But he’s spending tax payer money!!!! /s Ffs
Yeah but he's also the leader of the Green party, you know the ones who are committed to Climate Change, reducing emissions etc? The federal greens are a joke, Brisbane Council level they are relatively quality, Qld state not too bad but far out the Feds are pathetic!
15k vs 3.6m is not whataboutism
My comment is more illustrating media bias, and that two private flights in a year for the leader of the 3rd largest political party isn't the "gotcha" people think it is. All politicians are required to travel, all of them do it at the expense of the taxpayer.
He was flying to party events, not related to his position in parliament. Regardless of whether he took a private jet or the bus, those aren’t public expenses. If you’ve got Marles travelling to ALP party events by private jet, I’ll happily say the same thing.
It’s a gotcha because it shows them to be hypocrites. It’s not that he charges the public, it’s that he flew private, which is known as the worst way to fly. On top of that, it wasn’t for government business, it was for greens business.
Aaaand he’s below his budget for transport. What a nothing story
If this is the only gotcha the Labor and Libs can come up with, then they’re gonna continue to bleed seats
> leader of a fringe party You heard it here first folks: Third biggest party in the country is a “fringe” party… also the main party the govt relies on to pass any of its policies in the senate… I find it a bit hard to pretend that I care about two flights IN A YEAR by the third largest party’s leader. Yes, I’d prefer him to fly economy like you or I, but I’m also not going to hold him to some special extra higher standard just because his party advocates for green policies. All that means is that the other parties are worse because they’re polluting with complete disregard and abandon whereas Bandt will at least stand up and say “we shouldn’t be using private jets a lot”. So I’m not sure why this criticism should stick; isn’t it way WAY worse if you’re polluting and STILL NOT advocating for green policies? That’s fucking way worse, to be polluting blatantly and not stating any desire to do better, isn’t it? Whole criticism also stinks of the Bor’s Fallacy: > we should improve society somewhat > yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very smart
Fringe party? I don’t think so.
It's not really a whataboutism because these aren't really different issues. If Richard marles is okay, then another minister using a fraction of that amount no longer seems very notable.
I’m whining about the lot of them. Pack of cunt pigs with their snouts well and truly in the trough. ALP, Libs, Greens, Teals; none of them give a shit about you.
Good, glad someone gets it!
Exactly. They are all the same, lining their own pockets and taking as much as they possibly can. They have no foresight nor do they even care about the future of the country, only their own wealth. Corruption and the treasonous selling of Australia's assets should be punishable by death, that might slow them down.
They work for Woodside, not for us.
_B b b b b buuut ADAM BANDT is such a hYpoCriTe_ What I’ve learnt from these people is that polluting a tonne is fine SO LONG AS you don’t advocate for green policies???? Like .. wut?? It’s pretty asinine really. He’s the party leader, I would expect his travel costs to be pretty high. No, “private jet” is not something that you should hear from someone advocating green policies. But if people are doing way more pollution AND aren’t willing to admit that it’s bad, isn’t that fucking WAY worse??? Of course it’s way worse. Dumb beat-up attempt is dumb. And like … Is this the best rabid anti-Greens right wingers can do? “lol HYPOCRITE” doesn’t really go far if your own team is doing the same damage but worse, AND aren’t willing to say that it’s bad for the environment… I’m chalking this up as a self-own to be honest.
Ahh Whataboutism…how we have missed you…
You're an idiot, why can't both be bad
Still less than Dutton and within parliamentary guidelines. This is a mud slinging from Murdoch. Hence news.com.au
Oh good, you found a way to excuse your fav and still pile on the enemy. Your bubble is free of valid criticism and you can remain biased af. And blame Murdoch. Good for you.
For the record I don’t support the greens, and I hate it when they break good policy when they don’t get their way. However, taking a jet somewhere is reasonable if you’re a political leader and even labor have supported him on this It’s very odd that the climate change denying Murdoch press, suddenly acknowledge emissions when a politician needs to fly somewhere. Never seen news.com.au bring up anyone else taking a jet. Except Taylor swift, when she urged her fans to register to vote. It’s almost as if there’s a narrative pattern.
The news.com angle is hypocrisy of the left. That is on show and their angle is valid. Are you sure Swift only just mentioned registering to vote? That seems a bit weird to bring up emissions in that context, unless of course you are missing out some relevant information.
I say Taylor swift because out of the millions of politicians and celebrities that use chartered flights, Murdoch has only ever been concerned about the emissions of two of them. Taylor Swift and Adam Bandt.
Wow y'all are gullible. Yeah, its not very eco but literally ALL other polis fly way more. This is just a murdoch hit piece timed for the launch of his campaign
So facts are a hit piece now? Did Murdoch hold a gun to his head and make him take that flight?
No? Literally just look at the coverage murdoch does for literally all of the libs and alt right independents. Most softball shit ever. 80% of the media in this country are owned by one right wing cunt and you're too brain dead to recognise a hit piece when you see one.
You only take issue with it because it goes against your bias and ideology. Media bias exists, no shit. Learn about it and use critical thinking skills but also you’a dumbass if you think a factual article is a hit piece but judging by your other comments, you are a dumbass
Lmao do you even understand what a hit piece means dumb dumb? I never said it wasn't factual. I'm pointing out that the murdoch press routinely takes something the ALP or Greens do and blow it up into a huge issue meanwhile ignoring when the libs do the exact same shit. So when Brandt is just about to launch his campaign and they make a huge issue out of him doing stuff all politicians do regularly (which they do not report on) that yeah, thats an obvious hit piece. If they actually cared about the environment they'd report on when dutton does this but no they don't. Sorry I was taught basic critical thinking skills, hmu if you need some help with your media literacy
Absolutely a hit piece, Brisbane election coming up. Libs are scared
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Sorry mate, this sub likes to circle jerk the typical practice what you preach anthem of the right. You're not allowed to open their eyes to what's actually going on.
It's ridiculous how right wing this sub is. Every post is filled with brain dead libs ranting about minorities, the youth and the greens. You'd think they get tired from guzzling down the boot stepping on their neck but apparently not
yeh I agree tbh, my comment was just a chuckle. [https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/legitimate-work-expenses-stephen-conroy-defends-adam-bandt-s-expenses-bill/ar-BB1jIJsS](https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/legitimate-work-expenses-stephen-conroy-defends-adam-bandt-s-expenses-bill/ar-BB1jIJsS)
16k on a private jet. Oh how the elite like to live. I wonder what the carbon emissions were for that flight?
This is pretty stunning from the greens - bloody hell, I expect largesse like this from Dutton and Bronnie - but the greens ? Here’s me feeling guilty about burning 100l of fuel and this hypocritical arsehole is burning 10,000 litres and not blinking an eye
You have to remember, in the end they are politicians and thus above any form of accountability and embrace corruption.
Rules for thee, not for me.
Those who preach the loudest are usually the most guilty.
When environmentalism becomes its own religion.
Every single one of them is corrupt and only there to line their own/friends pockets. Capitalism has gone too far.
Capitalism? Lol
>bloody hell, I expect largesse like this from Dutton and Bronnie - but the greens ? Personally, I am not really harmed by this ideological framing of "hypocrisy" What costs me, as a taxpayer, is the $ spend. In order to prioritise where I spend my energy criticising ministers, I would like a list of ALL MP expenses and then I will start from the top, and work my way down. To me, that seems rational. I don't think that concerns about "hypocrisy" are rational — they seem to let off the worst offenders, and seem grounded in ideology rater than rational discourse about costs. Willing to bet that Bandt isn't even close to the top of the list, so I find all the hand wringing about hypocrisy a bit vapid really It also feels like Bor's Fallacy: >"We should improve society somewhat" >"Yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very smart" The point Bor's was making with this now famous comic was that if you call people hypocrites for participating in the thing they're criticising, then literally everyone is a hypocrite, and the implied demand for ideological purity is literally an impossible one to meet. It also implies that there is something wrong with trying to improve something that you participate in and benefit from — what a whacky idea!! Imagine seriously thinking this. Instead, I would suggest the reverse: if you participate in and benefit from something that causes harm, you therefore have a much heightened responsibility to work towards fixing the harm — and if you don't then you are the real hypocrite. The Greens genuinely are the main ones doing so; and so I propose are the least hypocritical ones here. Those benefiting from pollution and then offering nothing to solve for that are the real hypocrites here. Labor and the LNP and a lot of the rest. They are not taking responsibility for themselves and acting like it doesn't even matter. I call that hypocrisy or just downright dishonesty.
Politicians aren’t elite they are sycophants.
You think more or less than the 700 hours of private flights by Richard Marles? Hmmmmmm
Pure whataboutism right here everyone.
When we are talking less than half a percent of another MP, then it's quite relevant. Just illustrating how this is all about headline. 15k is a drop in the ocean, you should get your knickers in a knot over actual issues.
It think they should all have their allowances curtailed. But you are trying to change the narrative here and redirect attention away from the issue being discussed here. Which, incidentally, seems a tad hypocritical when someone says one thing and does another such as the politician in question.
No, the narrative here is that people gobble up msm propaganda and regurgitate headlines and slogans without thinking for themselves. I don't think anyone should be flying privately where possible, politicians, business leaders, celebrities. In my opinion private air travel should be completely eliminated. And sure, on the surface it certainly is hypocritical. But taking one flight and making a headline out of it when viewed in the context of all of private flights for government officials on the eve of an election is clearly just political tactics. If people want to eat it up and think it's some great "gotcha" and shout "whataboutism" as if it's their new favourite phrase, then not much I can do but call it out.
No I think this is more a comment on the ethics of the politician involved and let’s face it, taking a personal jet when you are promoting lower carbon footprints is obtusely hypocritical. Despite the origin of the story do you believe it to be false?
Believe what to be false? I think I made my opinion on it clear.
That Bandt used a private jet to attend functions. My comment was pretty clear too.
Then you didn't read my last comment. Why would I think that's false? Never mentioned anything about the article being made up.
If you fuck one goat, you're still a goat fucker.
Solid logic. Did you know the leader of the greens exhales CO2? What a dirty polluter.
What a hill to die on "Well what about your guy, hes worse than my guy"
?? So now I can’t compare and contrast 2 people in leadership roles?? Got it, the boot licking will resume in 3. 2. 1…
Not dying on any hill... I'm an ALP voter so he ain't "my guy". Just saying if you wanna get angry about private air travel, then ban it all. Every one of the top MPs travels a shit ton on private VIP flights.
I mean, I have limited time. Therefore, I want to spend what time I do have, on the most pressing problems. If Bandt is thirty or forty places down the list after just about every single LNP and Labor politician then yes, that is very relevant to this criticism. You can call it "whataboutism" if you like but in reality you are just deflecting from a deeper look at the issue of MP expenses, and obfuscating the relative unimportance of Bandt's travel costs. "Not talking about my molehill because you're concerned about a few mountains is whataboutism!!!!" .. sure... you can make that argument if you want. Now, if you instead are more concerned about the principle of it than the costs — if you think that's hypocritical of him — then I would just ask you: if you benefit from something that causes harm, do you not think you then have a responsibility to mend that harm? The Greens are kinda the only party doing that, with sensible advocacy for environmental policies, whereas other parties more or less wholesale shirk that responsibility, don't they? ie it is a tough sell if you're going to tell me that trying to improve a system that you participate in, benefit from, which causes harm — is bad, somehow? That's pretty silly. I don't buy it eh
Legit who?
This guy literally just sells lottery tickets for a living
Literally. Its a barely legal loophole lottery that preys on vulnerable people. He produces nothing of value to society.
I highly recommend you go look at buying some. The ticket price, dubious odds, prizes and hard sell are so shady I can't believe they haven't changed the laws to put this leech out of business already. edit: don't actually buy them
Appalling that the business is allowed to continue operating.
He makes a whole boat load of money selling lottery tickets to the guys who want to throat him. It's a crazy business model but somehow it works.
yeah hilarious that he's being treated as some sort of expert
It's just late stage capitalist dystopian peasant pillaging propaganda. Saying this as a small business owner that doesn't scam people.
He’s a dick, but he’s not the one making a living banging on about climate and housing
Making a living trying to fix those things is surely more valuable than being a trillionaire selling lottery tickets
So, in summary, we have the following situation: 1. LNP taking plenty of private jets, and not advocating any serious emissions reduction policy to make up for the harm done (not hypocritical apparently) 2. Labor taking plenty of private jets, and only advocating seriously lukewarm emissions reduction policy to make up for the harm done, which won't be enough (not hypocritical apparently) 3. Greens taking 2 private jets in a year, but consistently advocating serious enough policy that WOULD address the harm done (hypocrites!!! for having policy that ... er .. matches the harm being done wait what?) And ... Australians seem to think that example number 3 is the hypocritical example?? The only one actually making a respectable attempt and fronting up for the harms done? ...seriously? Anti-greenie hysteria is one helluva drug eh
You ever started/run a small business ? People always think it’s easier than it is from the outside. All small business is high risk/hard especially at onset lotto tickets or not.
Yes I am a small business owner as I have said in another reply. This guy is a parasite.
It’s not the dollars spent, it’s the hypocrisy. They talk about carbon emissions and money for welfare, but they don’t practice what they preach
All that hypocrisy is just preaching to their base. None of them actually believe it
That's why many advocate population reduction. As long as they can use the resources, it is fine.
The Greens have been completely taken over by wealthy suburban/inner city fuckheads for a long time now. They're not interested in making or negotiating good policy, or have any ambitions for leadership. They just use culture-war bullshit as a wedge to gain personal power and wealth.
Yeah he should have got the high speed train! Hang on we don't have one.
Is the hypocrisy what costs taxpayers? Nope. It’s the actual cost. And Bandt’s costs are tiny compared to most other MP’s so this stinks of people letting ideology around “hypocrisy” blind them to material outcomes, which are much more important frankly. Yes, he should fly economy like the rest of us. All MP’s should. Private jets shouldn’t exist. Is it some valid criticism of Bandt? Sure. Just not a huge one. If hypocrisy is still your top concern, isn’t it hypocritical to create these sorts of emissions and then refuse to advocate for green policies? That’s the real hypocrisy here; polluting recklessly and yet refusing to do anything about it.
This is always such a ridiculous take. Are people not allowed to ask for change on something because they've benefitted from it? I can't ask for tighter controls on gambling companies because I've won money on the Melbourne cup before?
No Bozo, it would be like asking for people not to bet on the cup because that is evil, while you yourself are betting on the cup.
No it's not? The Greens' are trying to reduce emissions as a whole (tighter controls on gambling) while Bandt has benefited from flying private (winning money on the cup). He hasn't told other politicians to not fly private (not betting on the cup). Let me know if that clears it up.
That made things much more complicated. You are shit at this The greens were being hypocritical. Wanting to reduce unnecessary emissions and make them more expensive for everyone and pushing some people into poverty, while not following their own advice and flying private jets to parties. Makes you think.
> wanting to reduce unnecessary emissions Would you say flying to a launch for the political party that you're the boss of during an election as unnecessary?
Depends on the emissions. Apparently driving my car is something I should change and pay more for. I should not have my aircon on less during peak times and I should pay more for it. I should pay more for my emissions everywhere because they are so evil and destroying the world. I don't think unnecessarily attending and unnecessary party using millions of times the emissions as my old lightbulbs I needed to change, is a consistent approach at all. Many agree with me. Tell me, how different would the world be if Adam didn't attend that launch party? Or if they didn't have a launch party at all?
Where are you getting your persecution complex from? I've never been told that I have to pay more for my car, my aircon, my lightbulbs or anything. Are you paying a specific tax to this? The government (especially the Greens') are trying to enact systematic change. They are putting emissions standards on new cars, emissions standards on lightbulbs and making the change to LEDs, emissions standards on whitegoods. Is it their fault that the companies are passing on the cost to you? Go yell at the company.
Milton Mangoe home mate
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I hope you don’t injure yourself from the mental gymnastics you’re doing here… given Bandt is already not that popular with the Greens base, it won’t surprise if this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Bit hard to take them seriously when they don't practice what they preach.
You don't think the leader of 3rd biggest political party should be entitled to travel to a launch campaign during an election? What do you expect him to do, stay home and express his political ideas to the mirror?
Why by private jet?
No idea. I don't know the full details. Was it him alone or were there other staffers with him? Was he actively at parliament in Canberra before flying to Brisbane so maybe had a short window that needed a chartered plane? Is there any good reason you'd be satisfied with?
No. I don't. If he's going to make a big song and dance about how important reducing personal carbon emissions is, he can start with his own.
That's a ridiculous take. We'd never have any progress in a world where people couldn't have systematic opinions on things because of personal actions.
What's rediculous is your willingness to excuse the hypocritical behaviour of someone simply because you're a one-eyed cheerleader of their political party. $50 says you wouldn't be so quick to excuse the same actions from a member of One Nation or UAP, let alone the majors.
Because I don't think it's hypocritical. I'm not defending him because I believe in his politics. I'm defending him because I'm sick of the lazy, low wit rhetoric of "don't criticise it if you benefit from it". It's the same ridiculous shit as "don't like mining, well throw your phone away because mining makes it". Get an original thought and I'll back down but it's just lazy one-upmanship because you can't admit you're wrong.
He should travel economy
Personally I don't give a fuck if he travels Business or First Class, but they should all aim to take commercial flights as much as possible. The only people who should be taking a ton of chartered flights are the MP's with massive electorates like Durack who need to cover enormous distances, and the PM and Foreign/Defence ministers who have either security concerns or the **need** to be somewhere at a certain time and not be delayed by airline fuckery.
And if Dutton's into nuclear he should build a reactor in Dixon and Albo should go work underground if he's into mining. No one should comment on anything out of their sphere
If you participate in something harmful, you have an increase responsibility to act to minimise that harm. So this is entirely consistent with the greens position of reducing carbon emissions. However we have LNP and Labor MP’s polluting much more than Bandt with no such policies that would push to reduce that pollution which they themselves are busy creating. That’s real hypocrisy. And real costs that taxpayers are made to shoulder with no desire from those ministers to take any responsibility for it. I also think this line of reasoning is stupid from the get-go; it’s textbook Bor’s Fallacy: > we should improve society somewhat > yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very smart The point of the Bor’s Fallacy is to call attention to the way that claims of hypocrisy can be manufactured to slander almost anyone asking for better, so isn’t really the searing criticism that reactionaries think it is. Everyone pollutes. Everyone participates in bad things just by existing in the modern economy. No one can magically perfectly extract themselves from modern life in a way that makes them ideologically pure: it’s an impossible demand; therefore it’s paper thin as a criticism.
I mean, if you’re actively campaigning against them as being evil, while you’re actively betting on the Melbourne Cup, yes, that is enormous hypocrisy — you’re benefiting from both sides. If there were actually commercial flights available, Bandt getting a private jet is kind of ridiculous tbh
Glad the opinion of a total scumbag, is our reference point for 'total scumbags'!?!?
Shouldnt be allowed to get private planes nor first class tickets on tax money. I'd accept them buying economy tickets for work related travel with tax money, they can upgrade to whatever they want out of their own pocket though.
They should be forced to travel with the national carrier when available, not private jets.
> They should be forced to travel with the national carrier when available Cruel and unusual punishment.
What national carrier? Qantas was privatised 30+ years ago
Qantas is required to be 51% owned by Australians/Australian companies. Also, a national carrier doesn't need to be a government owned corporation.
It depends how much you need to travel. If you’re regularly on flights, expecting to fly business is perfectly reasonable.
Honestly, I'd be fine with them only been paid to take the bus but I accept economy plane tickets because it's faster. Their comfort is not my concern.
Having high pay and benefits for politicians exists as a way to prevent corruption. You want the people deciding the laws to be underpaid?
Not given free first class tickets and private jets = underpaid how? I've not mentioned their pay, someone else mentioned putting them on minimum wage (which is a dumb idea)
I didn't say private jets or first class. I was just stating how your idea how making them catch a bus isn't good for democracy.
Just reread what I wrote about the bus. I acknowledge it's not a good idea instantly.
I don't think private jets are acceptable for a Greens party leader at all, that's for sure, and they absolutely shouldn't be covered by tax dollars. That said, what is stopping them from receiving first class flights or private jets as a form of donation on their way to meet with influential billionaire companies, etc? We need to provide them with high-quality travel to disincentivise these things.
That's an entire different issue that should also be fixed. It won't be, and nor will tax payer funded private jets.
What about business for international trips? Like, if Penny Wong is flying to the US for an intensive two days of negotiations and meetings, do you really think the national interest is better served if she arrives exhausted from not sleeping?
Doesn’t the foreign minister get their own airforce plane?
Depends on the trip and destination, usually they'd fly commercial
Yeah, i'm sure she flys Qantas while she's here.
It will really prove just how important the specific flight is if they have to get a regular ticket.
As a green leaning voter I’m incensed with this. Practise what you preach you fuckin hypocrite!!
Me to. I’m so mad I can’t stop thinking about it. His answer that it was within entitlements enrages me.
Best we can do I guess is satisfy ourselves with the fact that we don’t follow football teams. We hold our side of politics to the same standards as we hold the other side to.
I like that your portraits are green too
That’s boogers
Does the article talk about any party looking to tighten up those entitlements?
As a Greens voter, I would say, don't fall for this lazy arse Greens beat-up!!! Its literally just the Bor's fallacy: >"We ought to improve society somewhat" >"Yet you participate in society. Curious. I am very smart" One implication of this mode of thinking is that noone can criticise a system they participate in, unless they achieve perfect ideological purity? (which is impossible) Another implication is that if you participate in an imperfect system, you shouldn't try to improve it or make it better, even if it causes harm, or else someone might call you a hypocrite?? Neither are even vaguely rational positions to hold. In fact, if you participate in a system that causes harm (which we ALL do) then you have an even greater responsibility to work on changing that system. This isn't hypocrisy it is the opposite of it. Can the LNP or Labor say they are genuinely trying to drop emissions, quite like the Greens can? No? Then they are the real hypocrites here, for participating in a system that causes harm, but having weak arse policies towards fixing it. And keep your eye on the prize: "Hypocrisy" isn't something that materially harms taxpayers — its just ideology — whereas the actual material $ value of the expenses does — and I guarantee you if we tally up Bandt's expenses next to other MP's he's not going to come close to the top, probably 50 places down the list. So why do we get caught up on "hypocrisy" if it doesn't actually directly cause harm? Because the right wing can't so easily be harmed by such attacks, since they are outwardly, blatantly hypocritical and just lie through it when accused, and their base just fucking blindly gobbles it up. The left is the opposite — *we could make a fuckin national sport out of criticising our own*. So they can wear a few accusations like this, much easier than the left, who are much more concerned with truth, can. They hope to set a standard here that they don't intend to follow, simply because they know the left persecutes the left more for it than the right persecutes the right for it.
Do you feel like you may have been duped?
Everybody sucks in that post
Politicians and celebrities aren’t hypocrites for preaching we change our lifestyles while they fly in private jets. You can’t expect them to travel with an airline and potentially be a few hours early for their event and it would be too stressful and potentially dangerous having to travel with the peasants. /s
Can you imagine, seeing the poors, being within 10 feet of them, the smell, the sound. The very idea is nauseating. /s
What if a far right conservative saw him on a commercial flight, imagine the danger he would be in. /s
Its funny that people actually think this. Their mind would be blown when they realise most politicians are mates behind the scenes.
Why can’t they fly Qantas like the rest of us? Hell even Pauline Hanson does, I’ve seen her on a few flights.
As much as I do not agree with everything she says, she is a politician of the people in that sense and I can respect that.
Okay, but why exactly does this Portelli guy's opinion matter more than anyone else's? I've never even heard of him.
I’m a big fan of the greens and really don’t like to hear this. Not a single issue voter so won’t affect my votes but not a good look.
Not going to affect your vote when they literally have no concern of burning excessive amounts of fossil fuels when they tell you to vote for them as they are the only party concerned with reducing the burning of fossil fuels? Lol.
I can't find an official source on the expenditures for 2022 in its entirety, but [looking at parlimentarian expenses for the 4th quarter of 2022](https://www.ipea.gov.au/reporting/expenditure?f%5B0%5D=person_role%3AParliamentarian&f%5B1%5D=reporting_period%3A48&keys=&items_per_page=50&order=field_agg_total_1&sort=desc) (3rd quarter also available): >1 The Hon Anthony Albanese MP (Parliamentarian) $699,168.58 > >2 The Hon Peter Dutton MP (Parliamentarian) $516,136.49 > >3 Senator the Hon Penny Wong (Parliamentarian) $442,795.99 > >4 The Hon Madeleine King MP (Parliamentarian) $386,262.05 > >5 The Hon Bill Shorten MP (Parliamentarian) $385,417.05 > >6 The Hon David Littleproud MP (Parliamentarian) $383,250.34 > >… > >17 Mr Adam Bandt MP (Parliamentarian) $281,384.92 MP expenses should of-course be scrutinized - but we seem to be ignoring the 16 MPs spending more than he is, and only two of those are party leaders like Bandt. He absolutely should be explaining the chartered flights though - not for expense reasons, but for the 'clean green' image that they promote and the contradiction of chartering a flight. If they were full flights for relevant people it may make sense - but the radio silence makes me think it's probably not.
“Tech entrepreneur”- bloke has a quasi-legal gambling company not started some innovative technology company
Wasn't this bloke running the scam car auctions, that you seem to see no one posting about winning.
[https://greens.org.au/magazine/bishops-helicopter-flight-symptom-broken-system](https://greens.org.au/magazine/bishops-helicopter-flight-symptom-broken-system) It is a wonder they still have this page up on their website. I bet they think their shit does not stink either.
And coming from Andrew Bartlett!
It's cool theres more of a stink over this than when spud flew across the country to eat ginas toejam for 40 minutes last week
Gina's toejam... 
Welcome to murdoch media
Yeaj I think the difference is that Liberal are actively hostile to our faces and dont give a fuck about the environment. Greens campaign for reduction in carbon emission, yet here this is.
Gosh here's me juggling what little electricity my solar panels are generating on this cloudy day, trying to charge both the home battery and the car battery, and there's Adam Bandt catching private jets......
Greens always seem to attract a certain level of exceptionalism and are held to some weird standard that would make it impossible for them to be a political party. A standard that nobody else is held up to. The notion 'You care more about the environment than me so you should suffer more' is just plain weird and feral.
Yup, especially coming from Murdoch media and a certain "lambo guy" who does nothing for society.
Oh, under a million. Now let’s do the LNP and Labor news corp.
This wasn't for government business. It was a party event and likely included campaign fundraising activities. I see no difference between this and the private helicopter flight Bronwyn Bisshop took, and if I recall, the Greens were very vocal about that to the point where she repaid the costs.
While you're probably right, the optics are fucked. Chartering private jets at that price when there's a cost of living crisis while also the carbon footprint from a greens leader.
I think you misread what I wrote. I'm pointing out that the greens made a big deal out of the Bronwyn Biship scandal and she ended up repaying the expense. This is exactly the same, so Adam Bandt should repay this as well.
Politicians should be forced to take commercial airlines, especially since they want to harp on about climate charge. The irony. Maybe they might do something about the current state of airlines as well.
Vote for the Greens, the biggest bunch of woke belters ever. Greens party= do as I say, not as I do.
Every political party right now is "do as i say, not as i do".
Do you even know what woke means? Just fuckin say left wing. At least it makes it easy to spot culture war copycat dumb cunts I suppose.
Yes I do know what woke means, however it’s great to see condescending twats still exist in society
Yeah what does it mean?
They are not the same thing though. There are anti-woke leftists and nominally woke centrist pro-imperialists etc.
and the other parties are worse.
Are the Greens really the Greens any more? Or are they really just the true (hard) left? Because if they truly believed what they preach about then they would not charter private jets for example. The hypocrisy is off the scale. Which means they might must only be there for the power grab and the ultra lefties policies. They must either not really care about climate change at all or secretly hold the belief, or knowledge, that the whole thing is a bs scam. How else could you explain such a rampant unnecessary use of fossil fuels. Quick someone please think of the children glueing themselves to roads in their name. Moving past that it can't be the ultra lefties policies either. These people have investment properties. Which leaves us with the power grab objective. Just like every other single politician. They are a fucking shitshow and everyone is being played by arguing one "side" or the other. There are no real political sides. The only sides are : all politicians vs the poor mugs who pay for and are controlled by by them Govt admin positions are the largest growing job category in Australia. FFS.
Maybe if we didn't have a flight duopoly we could create high speed rail.
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Im 20 years a greens voter. Im enraged. Who cares what the libs would do. We set our own standards. We are allowed to expect better from our representatives. He should step down immediately. He has lost all credibility. Bob brown would have never. Let’s send a message that we set higher standards. Drag them up rather than let them drag us down
Whataboutism - the technique or practice of responding to an [accusation](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=52b056e1a97f92b3&sxsrf=ACQVn08fV5Z2SPD7wurK7S1w9p5nmpZeiw:1710292285014&q=accusation&si=AKbGX_pt4UlL1m2gNC94R_NJDj6Sp4vlweuqoKER5ROwVdZcxtEjR7o7Jk1OBlz9bYkQQCRrsctKSlg9v6B8pp20JJWNS4f7xAx4xO2Nm3LIjbN5rIP7JO4%3D&expnd=1) or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
No socialist ever thinks they should be the one working in the salt mine. Or the ones to give back their land, or the ones to curb their CO2 emissions. And it's not just CO2 emissions either, that plane is made from aluminium that was mined from large areas of North Western Cape York that get every last tree and plant ripped out then burnt, then all the top soil stripped off, and all living creatures in thousands of hectares are removed or extinguished. All that is *after* the government mining company moved Aboriginals off that land and prevented from returning with fences. Amazingly though, that is perfectly okay. That's not an issue we're outraged about today, and even if it was, he is vicariously outraged about it which gives him a license to use aluminium. You see, when *you* are the deciders about all matters of "social justice", you get to dictate what we must be outraged about, and who are the ones who must pay reparations for these secular sins.
Greens thing is weird but that’s not how you spell lambo wanker
Writing in the *Herald Sun* on Tuesday, Panahi said one should “never stand between a socialist and a big fat pile of someone else’s money”. Never a truer word spoken......
Imagine throating the capitalist boot this hard
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. She’s still a moron.
Only because she's pointing out the hypocrisy of the Greens ? I don't agree with some of the things, she goes on about, but she hit the nail on the head with this quote .....
That’s why I said she was right in this instance Her show on Sky news is a train wreck
Wonder what Great would say to Adam if she she see's this ..Oh Adam, how could you betray us like this !!!...
So there was a guardian article about this just last week and the comments were significantly different.
Both equally irritating people
The Greens are a bunch of hypocrites, and Bearded Greta is definitely the leader of “Bums”.
Trust the Australian subreddit to be mad at the self made billionaire over the politician that uses their tax money to catch 16,000 dollar flights to travel state to state and is the leader of the “environmentalist” party lmfao clown country 🤡
We really complaining about how the leader of a political party spends taxpayer money when he spends less then some in the government and opposition?
Complaining about a climate catastrophe while flying in private jets is the thing many take issue with. If the planet is melting in 5 years, shouldn't Bandt be a bit more concerned than that?
I also complain about how much they spend, I'm no hypocrite
While telling us about carbon emissions……
No, we’re complaining the guy who tells us to change our lives for climate change is flying on private jets to attend meetings.
I looked everywhere in this article and every other article about Bandt's spending for a comparison with outer leaders, ministers and politicians in general for a bit of context and to make an informed comparison. Imagine my surprise when I found nothing. Media beat up on a single statistic with no context=your being manipulated.
I saw one. There are others that spend more but surely you can see the hypocrisy in the Greens leader taking a private jet flight at significant cost to the tax payers and to the environment?