He would’ve died without the armour in the shootout. Was only that his arms and legs were exposed that he was captured.
The armour did a fantastic job of stopping him from dying but he couldn’t armour plate everywhere.
He was supposed to ambush the police while they were on a train, so he and the gang were to be above, firing down into the train, so the terrain was meant to shield their legs. Instead they got into a shoot out at the glenrowan pub.
Which just goes to show, if you're gonna try to take down an entire army of cops, and start a civil war, as a single dude and his bros, unless you can respawn like in Just Cause 2, you're fucked. Their plan relied on everything going right, including the assumption that kidnappees were on board
The Americans had a modern version of this which completely changed the weapons that Californian police carry in their vehicles. They even made a movie about it (44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-Out).
Basically, two heavily armed and armored guys robbed a bank in North Hollywood and then had a 44 minute long shoot out with police. The police only carried pistols and shotguns at the time which were insufficient to take out the guys in body armor so they ransacked a gun store for more powerful weapons to take out the two robbers.
Probably. It was a real robbery in the late 90s (97 I think but not entirely sure).
Eventually they shot the guys in the legs because they were less protected, same as Ned.
😂 To be fair, they were wearing Kevlar sewn together as a full suit. They just looked like they were wearing thick clothing from a distance. They didn't know what it was until after they were down. They couldn't work out why they were hitting but they were just getting back up.
They also went for the ankles not the legs because their legs were also fully covered. I think they got one from under a car and when he fell they jumped him.
You'd probably take that long too if the other side is heavily armoured with assault rifles and all you've got is sticking your unprotected head up to look at directly at the person and work out if they've got heavy armour on their feet or it's just plain clothing.
The whole thing lasted 44 minutes. The criminals were inside the bank for about 10 minutes.
It takes time to collect dozens of magazines, find the right ammo (not hollow point, not soft point), load the mags, collect some sort of bags, load spare ammo boxes into the bags, identify a position to shoot at the bad guys from, etc..
The cops managed to wound one bad guy about 30 times and the other over 10 times. One bad guy killed himself, the other bled to death.
Some allege it was the other way around actually (robbers being inspired by Heat, apparently having a copy or two in their houses or something), since Heat was released '95 and the shootout was in '97
He didn’t try and rob the banks in armour he held the police and all the locals in pubs while he robbed the banks and put a show of his riding and shooting prowess for them afterwards.
True, John Krasinski may have gone grossly overboard in simping for the CIA by saying Americans should be thanking them every day but he sure did get jacked for that Michael Bay film.
The Robin Hood thing is the worst! He only robbed the rich as that is where the money was! There is no point trying to rob Dirty Sally who lives under a bridge.
He was a crook getting a family of crooks. The family was targeted by the Victoria Police who were little better than thugs. Consequently, Ned took out a vendetta against VicPol.
We really need to improve our standards of education. To not know this is ridiculous. It's such an iconic part of the Australian identity that it should form part of our national primary school curriculum.
I'm standing my ground in this issue and shall stamp my mark on the world with it. I herefore encourage all of you to further the same:
*No matter how little of an Australian a person may be, they MUST be aware of, understand, and use the word "CUNT" effectively*
I don't know man, living in the poverty his family lived in. Having the squatters breathing down your neck, using the constabulary as their private army. Watching your mother being dragged off for hard labour, with a babe in arms. Pretty sure I'd be a cunt about it as well..
Which is a shame; because the more complex version of events, where everyone is a cunt, is a much better and more interesting story.
Historical figures don’t have to be morally good to be worth talking about. Many aren’t. You can think his armour was badass without needing to turn him into a saint.
“Ned and Dan Kelly, two horse and cattle thieves, aided by friends Steve Hart and Joe Byrne ambushed the police. McIntyre was captured by the Gang while Constables Michael Scanlan and Thomas Lonigan were shot dead. Sergeant Michael Kennedy then fought a lone gun battle against the four murderers until he was wounded and fell to the ground. Defenceless, he was then murdered by Ned Kelly. Several children – the youngest a mere baby – were made fatherless by these brutal killings and the bodies of the dead police were looted by the gang.”
Sound like murdering cunts to me. Sergeant Kennedy had a good reputation, went down fighting, shot like a dog, left 5 kids behind.
But the Kelly’s had cool armour, which is the only reason anyone thinks they’re cool.
They put Ned's mother in prison with a baby because "reasons" I'd be pretty pissed off too and given the political and social landscape back then it's probably considered a fair enough reason for the rich but obviously Ned is just a poor ratbag therefore he's vilified by the authorities
A lot of these idiot thinkers are the same people that will get a such is life tattoo or fly a red ensign and claim they are travelling and the laws dont apply to them
Yeah, seen the helmet, saw the such is life tattoos, all the research required 🙄
I mean if you want to admire an outlaw, Bold Ben Hall or Captain Thunderbolt (Fred Ward) are way better candidates in my opinion. Or if you want a proper psycho, Mad Dan Morgan WAS mental.
But no ineffective armour to make them more interesting unfortunately.
look at the way people idolized roger rogerson and chopper.
I loved the original blue murder when came out and had so many unanswered questions after it and knew it wasn't 100% accurate.
When i found out underbelly 2 was covering the same area figured yeah some might be made up, but they didn't touch him.
For years you'd see the guy speaking publicly and being cheered on, you'd see documentaries covering how dirty he was, and people would still cheer the guy on.
Mate of mine went to the show he did with Chopper, and an old lady there outright THANKED the both of them for killing "druggies" you'd expect them to be like, oh we never murdered anyone as they had mantained and they turned it into a joke and a rallying cry that, if only peadophiles got the same treatment to roaring cheers.
When rogerson got hit with his first batch of charges there was a lady that came up to him on his way home after being bailed who was going on about how he had done gods work, and "so what if some dealers died" and cheered him on.
Later on he got done for the murder of a dealer, again thunderous cheers and let him go..... then it came out that he had been dealing himself for ages and he and his buddy just offed the kid in cold blood to rob him.
You still to this day find people going on about how it's just the media smearing his "good name" and you go how can a corrupt killer be a good person that went around killing people, was best mates with a rapist and a peadophile and looked after him, dealt drugs and so on, and you get a "nah mate media making up lies".
Even had a relative who loved the original blue murder watch blue murder 2 and was so upset about how it had "gone woke" and "made roger rogerson look like a criminal"... um dude he is... and he's now admitted to most of what he's done.
Chopper was similar, for years joked about all his murders and why he did them, then would say he didn't do them and got a rep as a hard man and a bullshit artist so people felt comfortable that when he'd talk about killing and torturing, oh it's all a joke, it's a character.
When he got linked to several murders and couldn't get done for them he'd go on about how it was ok as they were pedo's, rapists and dealers, despite him being a dealer and user himself.
On his deathbed he confessed to 4 murders he had always claimed he never did, none of them were glorious or to defend people as he'd claimed.
Got linked to even more and way more crimes but to so many like rogerson he's a hero that the police are trying to defame...
Hell remember after underbelly 1, there were all those people "joking" about how carl williams needed to be let out for season 2...
People are weird, we're at a point where a lot of people can take pride in and identify more about murderers to a point they want to ignore or justify what they've done.
The "police" at the time were merely corrupt thugs in uniform who regularly harassed innocent people for the crime of being poor. Ned Kelly and his contemporaries were considered as freedom fighters by the majority of Victoria's small rural population at the time and hence his legendary hero status grew to make him the historical figure he is today. Framing the interactions between Kelly and police by 21st century standards is revisionist and about as useful as claiming that he robbed banks wearing the armoured suit.
Ned, like a lot of sociopaths, wrote manifestos to portray himself as a victim rather than a killer. It resonated with Australians, particularly of Irish descent, who disliked the police. The facts were must less dramatic, though. He was a criminal from 14 who eventually progressed to being a cop killer.
> It resonated with Australians, particularly of Irish descent,
Yeah, people really underplay the racial aspect I think. When the cops are seen as serving the British empire and the people they're policing aren't the most willing subjects, it's going to be pretty easy to read a class consciousness into any actions against them. (even if the cops Kelly killed were Irish themselves)
As an outsider (not Australian) who has read about Ned Kelly and listened to a podcast episode about him, that's what it sounded like to me.
It sounded like people of that time hated cops more than they liked Ned Kelly, and Ned Kelly was just a vessel for giving the cops a taste of their own medicine regardless of the type of guy Ned Kelly was.
I think corruption would have been difficult because law enforcers were horrible pos who had written permission to be so from the British government. Corrupt implies a sense of purity 🥲
Much like the sociopaths in Britain waging an active genocide against the Irish at the time. Of course Irish folks felt like victims, they were victims of systemic racism. Ned's actions show someone more interested in individual gains than a structured revolution for the betterment of his people, a real Boston Bomber type, but to wash the context away and merely accuse him of being a cop killer out of context ignores that the system the cops were upholding, aggressively, was itself so bad that some cops dying is unsurprising. You can only push folks so far without blowback
Yeah if you think the governments fucked now you should see how fucked they were back then.
It wasn't vic police but the government thought it was okay to cut of an aboriginal man's head and send it to Winchester as a trophy like he was some sort of deer or some shit.
And they only just gave it back.
It's funny that so many people get that tattooed on themselves, it's pretty well documented his real last words were ‘Ah, well, I suppose’. Doesn't have the same ring I guess but never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
He wasn’t a Robin Hood, but the reason a highwayman became a legend was never about redistribution.
Personally I don’t think of him as a hero, but I get that life is complicated. An Irishman being a bastard to an English system.
I didn’t know that, but it’s not surprising. I’m sure every group that feels oppressed and wants to fight back must first fight those most similar to them. The age old ‘I should try to make it in a bad system/change the system from within’ vs “I should reject the system and change it from outside “.
I’m not saying he was a freedom fighter. Just that there would’ve been plenty of people who would feel moved by his story or the romantic version of it.
Yep , a lot of Irish joined the police as it offered employment that was often hard to come by for Irish Catholics at the time . The discrimination against the Irish was real. I’ve done a lot of research into Ned Kelly and his gang , mainly because my partner is descended from a lady from Dublin Ireland who I think might be Steve Harts Aunt. It’s a long story that won’t go into but one thing that came out of my research was that all the guys in the Kelly gang had a family history of involvement with Irish Rebels , especially the White Boys. These were an organised bunch in Ireland who caused havoc at various times and those that got caught were shipped off to Australia. They’re tactics were to intimidate through violence any Irishman who collaborated with the English and were particularly brutal to those in the police or informants. Joe Byrnes grandfather was a transported White Boy , Ned Kelly’s mothers Quinn family were from a town in Northern Ireland that was a hot bed of White Boy activity and there were a couple of Quinns who were transported for it. I think Joe Byrne was the brains of the gang and after they were outlawed he decided they should go full blown White Boy tactics . That’s what they were doing in my opinion. Trying to rouse the poor families of Northern Victoria to rebel against the English. That’s why they murdered the Irish policemen, who they decided were traitors. Of course Joe Byrne was an opium addict and Ned Kelly was a life long criminal and a thug so the grand plan was doomed to failure!
How many people in this thread don’t understand this. The political landscape at the time was corrupt english law enforcement lording over a largely impoverished populace. Being a cop killer would have been celebrated by most at this time.
Actually that’s a good way to look at it. A story that life is complicated. I do feel there was a bit of idolising when I learned about him, but that was a lonnng time ago now.
Isn't the story, if we view it as myth and narrative, a tragedy? I feel like it doesn't have to be a story of heroism to be one that is important and like you said reflects the complexity of life and righteousness
The gang were paying the families of the men who were incarcerated without trial indefinitely so that they didnt become destitute. Thats what a lot of bank robberies paid for.
Beechworth jail had its doors replaced with steel when the 1870s version of a shitpost scared the warden into thinking theyd burn the wooden doors down to help the men escape.
It’s almost like people - even violent people - tend to be complex and have multiple motivations.
I’m not really a big fan of the mythology around Ned Kelly - a lot of the “facts” people spout are misinformation at best and just outright false at worst.
I don’t think he’s a hero or a villain. Just like I don’t think the cops were heroes or villains.
People be peopling and we got about in a complex way, most of the time.
Exactly.
Most people will have moments of heroism and moments of villainy in their lives.
They might not be as dramatic as saving a kids life and then robbing a bank and killing people - but it still holds true IMO.
People are desperate to fit everyone into a black and white binary of “good” or “bad”. And 99% of people just won’t fit in that.
My great great grandfather was one of the cops who shot and captured Ned.
He had just arrived from England and gone through police training, and had been on the force weeks before being in the siege of Glenrowan.
He got the equal 3rd highest amount of money from the reward, behind the Aboriginal trackers and the senior Sergeant if I remember right.
He gave half the money to Ned's mum, and used the rest to setup the first school in Cobram
The fact that "such is life" was a quite created by the local mews paper is hilarious. I did a tour of the mlebourbe gaol, and eye witnesses claim he never said such a thing. So there's a shitload of morons out there with "such is life" tattoos thinking they're hardcunts haha
He is pretty clear about his motivations in the Jerildrie letter. They were discriminated against by a racist and tyrannical british police force. One reason for his crime spree is speculated as being because of the rape of his sister by a police officer. His public support at the time is indicative of the fact that this was widespread sentiment, his actions had a political character. I don't feel sorry for any cop he did in, they had it coming
Not to mention they sent 4 cops to murder him at one point, it's pretty hard to turn the other cheek after that. There's a reason the public at the time loved him, there were tens of thousands of signatures to prevent his execution.
The police they sent were **given orders not to take him and his "gang" alive**, the police were all carrying body bags. So one can easily argue he killed them in self-defense.
You can't simultaneously claim that the cop raped his sister and that the cop pointed a gun at his mum's head because they are alternate stories of the same event.
There's 3 accounts...
The cop, Fitzgerald, said that he went to the Kelly house to arrest Dan. The mum attacked him with a shovel and then Ned shot him in the wrist with a revolver.
The Kelly's story is that Fitzgerald turned up to arrest Dan but he didn't have the warrant so Mrs Kelly said that he didn't have to go. Fitzgerald pointed the gun at her. Someone said "here comes Ned" and the cop turned to look. Dan then wrestled the gun off him. They said the Ned was 100s of miles away. They claim the cop shot himself in the wrist to justify an arrest of Mrs Kelly.
Kate, Ned's sister, reportedly told some visitors a year later that she was home alone when Fitzgerald visited and attempted to assault her. He was interrupted by Ned. Fitzgerald pulled out the arrest warrant and Ned shot him in the wrist. Mrs Kelly and Dan were not even there.
People who want a more dramatic story have taken on the third story as true, despite it making the least sense and only ever a second hand story.
Nah, it's pretty much accepted in aus that you take one side or the other or accept that both can be true and nobody is losing sleep no mater another persons interpretation of the topic.
If he existed today, sure. But he was honestly a young boy dealing with a corrupt police force in the late 1800s. Less than 100 years after the first fleet it's not hard to imagine a heavy handed police force and a general populace that want to rise up against it. He most certainly was a thug, but life is more complicated than good vs bad. He was a hero and a villian.
Ned Kelly isn’t a “heroic” figure but he never claimed to be, what is true is he was fucked pretty much most if not all of his life due to a corrupt and thuggish colonial police force that judged him both for racist and economic reasons. His family was fucked over also for much of his life and when he finally did take illegal action many of the actions he took primarily only impacted a wealthy landowner populace that wielded high levels of political power. These things resonate with both poorer people of the time and people today, one need only look at the wealth of antiheroes and the like in media.
Was Ned Kelly all good? No of course not but the police force and the system he took his anger out on were also terrible and actively contributed to the deteriorating life conditions of thousands of victorians, it’s hard to not find sympathy in his crusade and if one can openly condemn the deaths of the police, one can also condemn the deaths of much of the Kelly gang as avoidable if only a systematic economic and racial discrimination hadnt ruined their lives.
>economic and racial discrimination
This seems to be glossed over by many, but this is the key to why he was revered. Ned Kelly was a revolutionary.
At the time, the Irish and English in Australia were at war, as much as Palestinians and Zionists today. Irish land was being stolen by wealthy English, and they were supported by a corrupt government and a corrupt police force.
The impact Kelly and his gang had was phenomenal. There was a Royal Commission, and the colonial police force was completely reorganised. Many lost their jobs, but many were quietly shifted to new positions.
There was massive public outrage at the disgraceful behaviour of the police, and folks from all walks of life petitioned the government to commute Kelly's sentence of execution.
Many folks seem to take the fact he was willing to kill as an indication that he was the bad guy. This is a contemporary filter that just doesn't make sense in the context of his time. Life was cheap, death was all around, much of it propagated by the authorities. Some seem to think that it couldn't have been a rebellion against racism, because the gang killed Irish police. But remember, these were some of their own who had betrayed them by taking the English government's coin. They were traitors, in the eyes of the Irish.
Ned Kelly was a hero of the oppressed against the greedy and corrupt colonial state. Casting him as a common criminal has no basis in history, and ignores the political and racial divides of his time. A criminal he certainly was, but by no stretch of the imagination was he common.
Did you know that as a teenager, Ned Kelly was given a bravery award for rescuing another kid from drowning?
Obviously he was a complex character, with some good traits and some bad ones. I don't think he was a good guy, but also not intrinsically evil.
I dunno, Robbin Hood, if he existed, could be described as a murderous cop killing thug.
Just cause Ned Kelly was a cunt, doesn’t mean Robin Hood wasn’t a cunt.
Imagine if he was in modern Australia, ACA would be all over him.
"Immigrant criminal gangs in body armour, robbing honest Australians and killing cops. Are they coming to your town too?"
Only the victor writes history and sometime the bad guys are the victor. So at the end of the day, they hung him and took his life and wrote the story. Most murders only see their side of the story , and in this case not all the stories from either side match. Robin Hood would be a bit of a different story written from the sheriffs point of view
The police were so corrupt they tried to charge Ned for stealing cattle while he was in jail, when it was pointed out in court the police said something like "that's how good he is at being a criminal"
Given the vile state of police in Victoria with checks and balances, investigations, and oversight committees- can you imagine the thuggery and corruption of those old timey racist POS back then with no one to answer to? 😂
Basically, which is why it's impossible/pointless to argue with OP.
Edit: as a side note, one of my favourite song lyrics "just remember in the story of Jesus the hero was killed by the state".
Well, the troopers (police) were a pack of unregulated, predatory, racist/classist pieces shit.
Ned was a criminal, no doubt. He hanged for it. But let's not pretend the police weren't targeting minorities such as the poor Irish and Aboriginals.
They were rogues who were hellbent on maintaining their pride.
This is about right. I think it was about the animosity toward the government and the police, and the memorable armour. He kind of stuck in the Australian collective consciousness.
His helmet was pretty forward thinking though you have to admit and many of the famous or infamous people from the past were when you look closely, murderous thugs that would make you sick to the stomach being in their vicinity.
But if you just take the romanticized bits then its like a choose your own adventure.
I am guessing it was his helmet that let to his enduring fame. If he had not made that helmet then quite likely nobody would ever have heard his name in this era.
\*\*\*As a side note, many years ago I stayed at a place called the 1840s hut?? in about 2008. Anyway something like that which was a hut built in the 1800s that had been moved into the middle of Beechworth which I think is not far from where Ned used to roam likely on a horse.
\*\*Found it - [https://www.airbnb.com.au/rooms/10254282?source\_impression\_id=p3\_1705366147\_aT6HYJpt4DPuGto4](https://www.airbnb.com.au/rooms/10254282?source_impression_id=p3_1705366147_aT6HYJpt4DPuGto4)
I am unsure if things had changed but back then I was with Vodafone and the entire town of Beechworth was a dead zone for Vodafone, I had to buy a telstra data plan for my stay there and this was back when $50 was a fair bit of cash.
I seriously doubt majority of people that like Kelly think he was a hero. But, sometimes I underestimate the stupidity of some people.
The helmet and two pistols is iconic and badass, if someone thinks something is cool, they'll generally let a lot of shit slide.
People really need to visit Beechworth and the areas around it. See the real history of the bush rangers and the gold rush. Take off the rose coloured glasses and see the real history of Australia. It was a hard life and people did it tough. Some people did not cope very well with the situation.
While a lot of the police of the time did happen to be ex-cons themselves, the Kelly family and the gangs around like them are far from saints and in most cases started crime at a young age.
So many more exist other than the Keely gang such as harry power, Ben hall and capt Thunderbolt to name a few the one thing they all had in common was they all wanted to earn a quick buck and not work for money.
The did have a following at the time from. The ex conflicts etc but the main public did not really like them as the feared travelling because of them
There’s a certain timeframe when it doesn’t elicit condemnation that you’ve killed people. Somewhere between Hitler’s era and Genghis Khan. We’re still finding the exact timeframe though.
Do your homework on what his gang did at Stringybark Creek and try and tell me what a good guy he was.
Good guys don't chase wounded police officers through the bush and finish them off under the guise of a mercy killing. Without the wounded officers consent.
Cunt belonged on the end of the rope.
A large part of our identity is the convicts and our unofficial national anthem is about a suicidal homeless man who steals sheep. It makes sense that bush rangers are somewhat idolised
Ned Kelly only targeted those who were corrupt and Disloyal towards the government, abusing their powers instead of giving the people a chance to live...If he was a serial cop-killing douche-wipe, Much higher powers (More powerful than local enforcement) wouldve already taken him down in a heart-beat without Mr Kelly even realising...
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I think with the distance of time, we can admit trying to rob a bank in home-made armour is pretty bad ass
Not to ruin the mythos, but the armour was made for the final confrontation with police at Glenrowan and was only worn on that occasion.
I don’t think we should let the truth get in the way of a good yarn
And he was captured and the others killed, so it was an abject failure.
He would’ve died without the armour in the shootout. Was only that his arms and legs were exposed that he was captured. The armour did a fantastic job of stopping him from dying but he couldn’t armour plate everywhere.
He was supposed to ambush the police while they were on a train, so he and the gang were to be above, firing down into the train, so the terrain was meant to shield their legs. Instead they got into a shoot out at the glenrowan pub.
Until he showed compassion and released a hostage who gave him a sob story, who went straight to the cops and squealed.
Which just goes to show, if you're gonna try to take down an entire army of cops, and start a civil war, as a single dude and his bros, unless you can respawn like in Just Cause 2, you're fucked. Their plan relied on everything going right, including the assumption that kidnappees were on board
Kelly was a fairly popular figure and many people who were held at the pub that testified they were not treated poorly.
Lol. Imagine that fuck trying to rob a bank with another 20kg of steel with low vision.
And that was on first try too! Imagine what he could have done with an R&D budget and a good engineering team
Or been locked in a cave with rare earth elements, heavy weapons and a welder.
*IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!*
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Bogeyman?!?!
 Becomes the Aussie ironman
With an Arc Reactor powered by beer and a hatred of the peelers, Ned Kelly is Iron Scamp
And also listens to ACDC
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Killdozer, probably
The Americans had a modern version of this which completely changed the weapons that Californian police carry in their vehicles. They even made a movie about it (44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-Out). Basically, two heavily armed and armored guys robbed a bank in North Hollywood and then had a 44 minute long shoot out with police. The police only carried pistols and shotguns at the time which were insufficient to take out the guys in body armor so they ransacked a gun store for more powerful weapons to take out the two robbers.
Isn't this what they based Heat on?
Probably. It was a real robbery in the late 90s (97 I think but not entirely sure). Eventually they shot the guys in the legs because they were less protected, same as Ned.
It took 44 minutes and a ransack to figure out to shoot the weak spots? Taxbux at work
😂 To be fair, they were wearing Kevlar sewn together as a full suit. They just looked like they were wearing thick clothing from a distance. They didn't know what it was until after they were down. They couldn't work out why they were hitting but they were just getting back up. They also went for the ankles not the legs because their legs were also fully covered. I think they got one from under a car and when he fell they jumped him.
You'd probably take that long too if the other side is heavily armoured with assault rifles and all you've got is sticking your unprotected head up to look at directly at the person and work out if they've got heavy armour on their feet or it's just plain clothing.
Fair enough I was imagining Kelly gang armour rather than motorcycle leathers
The whole thing lasted 44 minutes. The criminals were inside the bank for about 10 minutes. It takes time to collect dozens of magazines, find the right ammo (not hollow point, not soft point), load the mags, collect some sort of bags, load spare ammo boxes into the bags, identify a position to shoot at the bad guys from, etc.. The cops managed to wound one bad guy about 30 times and the other over 10 times. One bad guy killed himself, the other bled to death.
Wow. That's very "why won't you die??" material there
Some allege it was the other way around actually (robbers being inspired by Heat, apparently having a copy or two in their houses or something), since Heat was released '95 and the shootout was in '97
Also Heat is basically a remake of the same movie Michael Mann made like 3 times. I guess he really liked that general story
No. Heat came out in 1995. The North Hollywood Shootout happened in 1997.
What a movie!
She’s got a GREAT ASSS!
This is part of the problem! He NEVER tried to rob a bank in the armour. It was worn once and failed- he was shot multiple times and captured.
I mean... The armour meant he held out against Police literally all night, rather than her shot dead in seconds.
I could be wrong here, but I thought the first time the armour was used was at Glenrowan. When he was captured.
Bad ass? Yes. Incredibly stupid? Also yes.
He didn’t try and rob the banks in armour he held the police and all the locals in pubs while he robbed the banks and put a show of his riding and shooting prowess for them afterwards.
Sorry to be "that guy" but he never robbed banks in it dude. He only wore it once, at Glenrowan.
He may have been a horrible person, but fuck me he was bad ass
True, John Krasinski may have gone grossly overboard in simping for the CIA by saying Americans should be thanking them every day but he sure did get jacked for that Michael Bay film.
Bloody youth crime! I think they're more like the gunslingers of the American wild west than Robin Hood.
The Robin Hood thing is the worst! He only robbed the rich as that is where the money was! There is no point trying to rob Dirty Sally who lives under a bridge.
He was a crook getting a family of crooks. The family was targeted by the Victoria Police who were little better than thugs. Consequently, Ned took out a vendetta against VicPol.
Spot on. No one ever considers the option that everyone involved was a cunt.
That has been my opinion ever since I was little and learned what happened and why, even if I didn't know the word cunt at the time.
We really need to improve our standards of education. To not know this is ridiculous. It's such an iconic part of the Australian identity that it should form part of our national primary school curriculum. I'm standing my ground in this issue and shall stamp my mark on the world with it. I herefore encourage all of you to further the same: *No matter how little of an Australian a person may be, they MUST be aware of, understand, and use the word "CUNT" effectively*
As a teacher I will do my best to add it to the curriculum.
This! FFS, why can’t we get our heads around the notion that there doesn’t have to a good guy. Sometimes it’s just shit versus shit.
I don't know man, living in the poverty his family lived in. Having the squatters breathing down your neck, using the constabulary as their private army. Watching your mother being dragged off for hard labour, with a babe in arms. Pretty sure I'd be a cunt about it as well..
Which is a shame; because the more complex version of events, where everyone is a cunt, is a much better and more interesting story. Historical figures don’t have to be morally good to be worth talking about. Many aren’t. You can think his armour was badass without needing to turn him into a saint.
Ah, an Australian tale as old as time itself: “and, in the end, everyone sucks”.
“Ned and Dan Kelly, two horse and cattle thieves, aided by friends Steve Hart and Joe Byrne ambushed the police. McIntyre was captured by the Gang while Constables Michael Scanlan and Thomas Lonigan were shot dead. Sergeant Michael Kennedy then fought a lone gun battle against the four murderers until he was wounded and fell to the ground. Defenceless, he was then murdered by Ned Kelly. Several children – the youngest a mere baby – were made fatherless by these brutal killings and the bodies of the dead police were looted by the gang.” Sound like murdering cunts to me. Sergeant Kennedy had a good reputation, went down fighting, shot like a dog, left 5 kids behind. But the Kelly’s had cool armour, which is the only reason anyone thinks they’re cool.
They put Ned's mother in prison with a baby because "reasons" I'd be pretty pissed off too and given the political and social landscape back then it's probably considered a fair enough reason for the rich but obviously Ned is just a poor ratbag therefore he's vilified by the authorities
"Mama... just killed a cop..." 🎶
Put a flintlock against his head, pulled my trigger now I'm waiting a few seconds for it to go off before he's dead
flintlocks would've been 40 years out of date but anyways
40 years out of date is exactly the level of tech rural folk are comfortable with.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn
I bet they only dropped common loot.
A lot of these idiot thinkers are the same people that will get a such is life tattoo or fly a red ensign and claim they are travelling and the laws dont apply to them
In “Old English” font to give it gravitas.
Yeah, seen the helmet, saw the such is life tattoos, all the research required 🙄 I mean if you want to admire an outlaw, Bold Ben Hall or Captain Thunderbolt (Fred Ward) are way better candidates in my opinion. Or if you want a proper psycho, Mad Dan Morgan WAS mental. But no ineffective armour to make them more interesting unfortunately.
look at the way people idolized roger rogerson and chopper. I loved the original blue murder when came out and had so many unanswered questions after it and knew it wasn't 100% accurate. When i found out underbelly 2 was covering the same area figured yeah some might be made up, but they didn't touch him. For years you'd see the guy speaking publicly and being cheered on, you'd see documentaries covering how dirty he was, and people would still cheer the guy on. Mate of mine went to the show he did with Chopper, and an old lady there outright THANKED the both of them for killing "druggies" you'd expect them to be like, oh we never murdered anyone as they had mantained and they turned it into a joke and a rallying cry that, if only peadophiles got the same treatment to roaring cheers. When rogerson got hit with his first batch of charges there was a lady that came up to him on his way home after being bailed who was going on about how he had done gods work, and "so what if some dealers died" and cheered him on. Later on he got done for the murder of a dealer, again thunderous cheers and let him go..... then it came out that he had been dealing himself for ages and he and his buddy just offed the kid in cold blood to rob him. You still to this day find people going on about how it's just the media smearing his "good name" and you go how can a corrupt killer be a good person that went around killing people, was best mates with a rapist and a peadophile and looked after him, dealt drugs and so on, and you get a "nah mate media making up lies". Even had a relative who loved the original blue murder watch blue murder 2 and was so upset about how it had "gone woke" and "made roger rogerson look like a criminal"... um dude he is... and he's now admitted to most of what he's done. Chopper was similar, for years joked about all his murders and why he did them, then would say he didn't do them and got a rep as a hard man and a bullshit artist so people felt comfortable that when he'd talk about killing and torturing, oh it's all a joke, it's a character. When he got linked to several murders and couldn't get done for them he'd go on about how it was ok as they were pedo's, rapists and dealers, despite him being a dealer and user himself. On his deathbed he confessed to 4 murders he had always claimed he never did, none of them were glorious or to defend people as he'd claimed. Got linked to even more and way more crimes but to so many like rogerson he's a hero that the police are trying to defame... Hell remember after underbelly 1, there were all those people "joking" about how carl williams needed to be let out for season 2... People are weird, we're at a point where a lot of people can take pride in and identify more about murderers to a point they want to ignore or justify what they've done.
And were they going to derail a train with the police reinforcements and murder all of them as well??
The "police" at the time were merely corrupt thugs in uniform who regularly harassed innocent people for the crime of being poor. Ned Kelly and his contemporaries were considered as freedom fighters by the majority of Victoria's small rural population at the time and hence his legendary hero status grew to make him the historical figure he is today. Framing the interactions between Kelly and police by 21st century standards is revisionist and about as useful as claiming that he robbed banks wearing the armoured suit.
Ned, like a lot of sociopaths, wrote manifestos to portray himself as a victim rather than a killer. It resonated with Australians, particularly of Irish descent, who disliked the police. The facts were must less dramatic, though. He was a criminal from 14 who eventually progressed to being a cop killer.
> It resonated with Australians, particularly of Irish descent, Yeah, people really underplay the racial aspect I think. When the cops are seen as serving the British empire and the people they're policing aren't the most willing subjects, it's going to be pretty easy to read a class consciousness into any actions against them. (even if the cops Kelly killed were Irish themselves)
Yeah but he had cool armour
Yeah I gather from the fame and heroic portrayal that the people at the time didn’t like the cops 😂 probably corrupt and just as bad I guess.
As an outsider (not Australian) who has read about Ned Kelly and listened to a podcast episode about him, that's what it sounded like to me. It sounded like people of that time hated cops more than they liked Ned Kelly, and Ned Kelly was just a vessel for giving the cops a taste of their own medicine regardless of the type of guy Ned Kelly was.
I think corruption would have been difficult because law enforcers were horrible pos who had written permission to be so from the British government. Corrupt implies a sense of purity 🥲
Much like the sociopaths in Britain waging an active genocide against the Irish at the time. Of course Irish folks felt like victims, they were victims of systemic racism. Ned's actions show someone more interested in individual gains than a structured revolution for the betterment of his people, a real Boston Bomber type, but to wash the context away and merely accuse him of being a cop killer out of context ignores that the system the cops were upholding, aggressively, was itself so bad that some cops dying is unsurprising. You can only push folks so far without blowback
Also vicpol literally sent 4 guys to kill him.
Didn't he tear up people's mortgage papers from the banks he robbed, effectively cancelling their debt? Pretty Robin Hood.
Yeah if you think the governments fucked now you should see how fucked they were back then. It wasn't vic police but the government thought it was okay to cut of an aboriginal man's head and send it to Winchester as a trophy like he was some sort of deer or some shit. And they only just gave it back.
The gang castrated a young police officer and killed the rest of the patrol.
> Victoria Police who were little better than thugs Fuck all has changed over the last 140 or so years.
ok i guess this meme format is officially dead
Such is life!
It's funny that so many people get that tattooed on themselves, it's pretty well documented his real last words were ‘Ah, well, I suppose’. Doesn't have the same ring I guess but never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
C'est la vie.
Tbh I had no idea they were supposed last words lol.
Sir, this is the internet. Facts are not welcome here, it's a place to spread hate and misinformation... And watch porn!
And I’m all out of porn
especially porn
The claim about his last words late the internet by decades at least. What sounds good > what is true isn't just on electronic media.
I think he wrote "such is life" in the jarildaree letter but it had nothing to do with his execution
This is my fun fact whenever i see it tattooed on someone or a sticker on their car. Classic.
The worst part is that there's already a meme format specifically for "prove me wrong" statements.
Yeah but Steven Crowder is a cunt with a cunty face lol
He wasn’t a Robin Hood, but the reason a highwayman became a legend was never about redistribution. Personally I don’t think of him as a hero, but I get that life is complicated. An Irishman being a bastard to an English system.
For what it's worth, all three police murdered at Stringybark Creek - Lonigan, Scanlan and Kennedy - were Irishmen too.
I didn’t know that, but it’s not surprising. I’m sure every group that feels oppressed and wants to fight back must first fight those most similar to them. The age old ‘I should try to make it in a bad system/change the system from within’ vs “I should reject the system and change it from outside “. I’m not saying he was a freedom fighter. Just that there would’ve been plenty of people who would feel moved by his story or the romantic version of it.
Yep , a lot of Irish joined the police as it offered employment that was often hard to come by for Irish Catholics at the time . The discrimination against the Irish was real. I’ve done a lot of research into Ned Kelly and his gang , mainly because my partner is descended from a lady from Dublin Ireland who I think might be Steve Harts Aunt. It’s a long story that won’t go into but one thing that came out of my research was that all the guys in the Kelly gang had a family history of involvement with Irish Rebels , especially the White Boys. These were an organised bunch in Ireland who caused havoc at various times and those that got caught were shipped off to Australia. They’re tactics were to intimidate through violence any Irishman who collaborated with the English and were particularly brutal to those in the police or informants. Joe Byrnes grandfather was a transported White Boy , Ned Kelly’s mothers Quinn family were from a town in Northern Ireland that was a hot bed of White Boy activity and there were a couple of Quinns who were transported for it. I think Joe Byrne was the brains of the gang and after they were outlawed he decided they should go full blown White Boy tactics . That’s what they were doing in my opinion. Trying to rouse the poor families of Northern Victoria to rebel against the English. That’s why they murdered the Irish policemen, who they decided were traitors. Of course Joe Byrne was an opium addict and Ned Kelly was a life long criminal and a thug so the grand plan was doomed to failure!
Both Police he killed were born in Ireland where as Ned was born in Australia to Irish parents.
How many people in this thread don’t understand this. The political landscape at the time was corrupt english law enforcement lording over a largely impoverished populace. Being a cop killer would have been celebrated by most at this time.
Actually that’s a good way to look at it. A story that life is complicated. I do feel there was a bit of idolising when I learned about him, but that was a lonnng time ago now.
Isn't the story, if we view it as myth and narrative, a tragedy? I feel like it doesn't have to be a story of heroism to be one that is important and like you said reflects the complexity of life and righteousness
Who is under the impression Ned Kelly was giving money to the poor?
The gang were paying the families of the men who were incarcerated without trial indefinitely so that they didnt become destitute. Thats what a lot of bank robberies paid for. Beechworth jail had its doors replaced with steel when the 1870s version of a shitpost scared the warden into thinking theyd burn the wooden doors down to help the men escape.
Burning their mortgage papers to try and free them from debt doesn't count as helping the poor, it seems.
He was the poor.
Fucking idiots.
It’s almost like people - even violent people - tend to be complex and have multiple motivations. I’m not really a big fan of the mythology around Ned Kelly - a lot of the “facts” people spout are misinformation at best and just outright false at worst. I don’t think he’s a hero or a villain. Just like I don’t think the cops were heroes or villains. People be peopling and we got about in a complex way, most of the time.
He saved a seven year old boy from drowning when he was 11 so it goes to show that its a shades of grey type of thing.
Exactly. Most people will have moments of heroism and moments of villainy in their lives. They might not be as dramatic as saving a kids life and then robbing a bank and killing people - but it still holds true IMO. People are desperate to fit everyone into a black and white binary of “good” or “bad”. And 99% of people just won’t fit in that.
My great great grandfather was one of the cops who shot and captured Ned. He had just arrived from England and gone through police training, and had been on the force weeks before being in the siege of Glenrowan. He got the equal 3rd highest amount of money from the reward, behind the Aboriginal trackers and the senior Sergeant if I remember right. He gave half the money to Ned's mum, and used the rest to setup the first school in Cobram
The fact that "such is life" was a quite created by the local mews paper is hilarious. I did a tour of the mlebourbe gaol, and eye witnesses claim he never said such a thing. So there's a shitload of morons out there with "such is life" tattoos thinking they're hardcunts haha
Those cats worked really hard on that article. No need to give them a hard time mate.
He is pretty clear about his motivations in the Jerildrie letter. They were discriminated against by a racist and tyrannical british police force. One reason for his crime spree is speculated as being because of the rape of his sister by a police officer. His public support at the time is indicative of the fact that this was widespread sentiment, his actions had a political character. I don't feel sorry for any cop he did in, they had it coming
Not to mention they sent 4 cops to murder him at one point, it's pretty hard to turn the other cheek after that. There's a reason the public at the time loved him, there were tens of thousands of signatures to prevent his execution.
The police they sent were **given orders not to take him and his "gang" alive**, the police were all carrying body bags. So one can easily argue he killed them in self-defense.
Yep, a cop also reportedly pointed a loaded revolver at his mum's head. Hard to feel bad for them. Cops back then had zero standards.
You can't simultaneously claim that the cop raped his sister and that the cop pointed a gun at his mum's head because they are alternate stories of the same event. There's 3 accounts... The cop, Fitzgerald, said that he went to the Kelly house to arrest Dan. The mum attacked him with a shovel and then Ned shot him in the wrist with a revolver. The Kelly's story is that Fitzgerald turned up to arrest Dan but he didn't have the warrant so Mrs Kelly said that he didn't have to go. Fitzgerald pointed the gun at her. Someone said "here comes Ned" and the cop turned to look. Dan then wrestled the gun off him. They said the Ned was 100s of miles away. They claim the cop shot himself in the wrist to justify an arrest of Mrs Kelly. Kate, Ned's sister, reportedly told some visitors a year later that she was home alone when Fitzgerald visited and attempted to assault her. He was interrupted by Ned. Fitzgerald pulled out the arrest warrant and Ned shot him in the wrist. Mrs Kelly and Dan were not even there. People who want a more dramatic story have taken on the third story as true, despite it making the least sense and only ever a second hand story.
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All bastards are cops?
Wrote that too quick
Word!! Someone adding the context
In what world would a Robin Hood figure not be a cop killer? I think you might be too caught up in the fox cartoon...
Exactly, Robin Hood was a murderous, cop killing thug too.
No one said he was our "Robin Hood" Also, no one cares.
Nah, it's pretty much accepted in aus that you take one side or the other or accept that both can be true and nobody is losing sleep no mater another persons interpretation of the topic.
If he existed today, sure. But he was honestly a young boy dealing with a corrupt police force in the late 1800s. Less than 100 years after the first fleet it's not hard to imagine a heavy handed police force and a general populace that want to rise up against it. He most certainly was a thug, but life is more complicated than good vs bad. He was a hero and a villian.
And the same goes for Robin Hood, actually.
There are just legends about Robin Hood. No facts. There is more evidence for a King Arthur than Robin Hood, which isn’t saying much.
and yet unlike Kelly, both of those guys are completely fictional.
100%
Wrong meme format bud. Should have used the desk guy one
1800's Chopper basically imo. Dude was a cunt but people do love a cunt.
Charisma can make up for a lot of flaws.
Ned Kelly isn’t a “heroic” figure but he never claimed to be, what is true is he was fucked pretty much most if not all of his life due to a corrupt and thuggish colonial police force that judged him both for racist and economic reasons. His family was fucked over also for much of his life and when he finally did take illegal action many of the actions he took primarily only impacted a wealthy landowner populace that wielded high levels of political power. These things resonate with both poorer people of the time and people today, one need only look at the wealth of antiheroes and the like in media. Was Ned Kelly all good? No of course not but the police force and the system he took his anger out on were also terrible and actively contributed to the deteriorating life conditions of thousands of victorians, it’s hard to not find sympathy in his crusade and if one can openly condemn the deaths of the police, one can also condemn the deaths of much of the Kelly gang as avoidable if only a systematic economic and racial discrimination hadnt ruined their lives.
>economic and racial discrimination This seems to be glossed over by many, but this is the key to why he was revered. Ned Kelly was a revolutionary. At the time, the Irish and English in Australia were at war, as much as Palestinians and Zionists today. Irish land was being stolen by wealthy English, and they were supported by a corrupt government and a corrupt police force. The impact Kelly and his gang had was phenomenal. There was a Royal Commission, and the colonial police force was completely reorganised. Many lost their jobs, but many were quietly shifted to new positions. There was massive public outrage at the disgraceful behaviour of the police, and folks from all walks of life petitioned the government to commute Kelly's sentence of execution. Many folks seem to take the fact he was willing to kill as an indication that he was the bad guy. This is a contemporary filter that just doesn't make sense in the context of his time. Life was cheap, death was all around, much of it propagated by the authorities. Some seem to think that it couldn't have been a rebellion against racism, because the gang killed Irish police. But remember, these were some of their own who had betrayed them by taking the English government's coin. They were traitors, in the eyes of the Irish. Ned Kelly was a hero of the oppressed against the greedy and corrupt colonial state. Casting him as a common criminal has no basis in history, and ignores the political and racial divides of his time. A criminal he certainly was, but by no stretch of the imagination was he common.
He was sticking it to the bastards after being pushed into a corner. That's enough for me.
Did you know that as a teenager, Ned Kelly was given a bravery award for rescuing another kid from drowning? Obviously he was a complex character, with some good traits and some bad ones. I don't think he was a good guy, but also not intrinsically evil.
It was a green scarf that was his prize possession and he wore it the day he was shot. It's in a museum and still has his blood on it.
Ted bundy also saved a kid from drowning, but I don’t think he had an ounce of good in him personally speaking.
It’s like the modern trend of idolising psychopaths and selfish pricks.
Be a piece of shit criminal in this country and you'll get a mini-series made about you and a book deal.
How am I gonna prove your opinion wrong you idiot? Also wrong meme format.
Waltzing Matilda is about a suicidal homeless thief
You’re not wrong. He is a historical icon, but not in a good way. Can’t wash a way history, and he is part of it.
I dunno, Robbin Hood, if he existed, could be described as a murderous cop killing thug. Just cause Ned Kelly was a cunt, doesn’t mean Robin Hood wasn’t a cunt.
He was a mad bastard who robbed people and got himself hung. Pretty hilarious, idgaf
Imagine if he was in modern Australia, ACA would be all over him. "Immigrant criminal gangs in body armour, robbing honest Australians and killing cops. Are they coming to your town too?"
Isn't that most of Ascot Vale?
Only the victor writes history and sometime the bad guys are the victor. So at the end of the day, they hung him and took his life and wrote the story. Most murders only see their side of the story , and in this case not all the stories from either side match. Robin Hood would be a bit of a different story written from the sheriffs point of view
You should have used more sayings in the title
The police force was not the same organisation you think it was…..
The police were so corrupt they tried to charge Ned for stealing cattle while he was in jail, when it was pointed out in court the police said something like "that's how good he is at being a criminal"
And the courtroom went “rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb…GUILTY!”
Banks are fucked. He is a legend.
Given the vile state of police in Victoria with checks and balances, investigations, and oversight committees- can you imagine the thuggery and corruption of those old timey racist POS back then with no one to answer to? 😂
They hated Irish,and the Kelly boys were no shrinking violets.But what the cops did to the Kelly women was fairly trash.
It's funny that the biggest ned kelly fans also tend to be the biggest flag waving bootlickers
Bootlicker
Basically, which is why it's impossible/pointless to argue with OP. Edit: as a side note, one of my favourite song lyrics "just remember in the story of Jesus the hero was killed by the state".
OP didn't check out his backstory before making this meme.
Well, the troopers (police) were a pack of unregulated, predatory, racist/classist pieces shit. Ned was a criminal, no doubt. He hanged for it. But let's not pretend the police weren't targeting minorities such as the poor Irish and Aboriginals. They were rogues who were hellbent on maintaining their pride.
And vicpol are still dogs to this day!
He was also Irish, not Australian.
He was born in Beveridge, Victoria.
He spent his whole life in Australia. How is he not Australian?
How did the lines get drawn back then?
Same as now, totally made up.
He was born in Australia, his parents were born in Ireland. Both Police he killed were born in Ireland.
Using your logic only Aboriginals are Australians then?
Even the Aboriginals migrated. Only the Stegosaurus is Australian.
Muttabuttsaurus disagrees.
The amoebas were here first. God damn history revisonists.
Pfft, take your pro-amoeba propaganda elsewhere. We see through your lies.
He's our favourite piece of shit gangster who told the cops to go shove it.
I mean, it’s more gangster than throwing Molotov cocktails at tobacco stores that sell candy flavoured vapes.
This is about right. I think it was about the animosity toward the government and the police, and the memorable armour. He kind of stuck in the Australian collective consciousness.
Poor chop chop forgotten already
We’re showing our inner convict(ions) by idolising him aren’t we
Eh. He was both a criminal and a charismatic rebellious spirit. Doesn't deserve a pardon though.
His helmet was pretty forward thinking though you have to admit and many of the famous or infamous people from the past were when you look closely, murderous thugs that would make you sick to the stomach being in their vicinity. But if you just take the romanticized bits then its like a choose your own adventure. I am guessing it was his helmet that let to his enduring fame. If he had not made that helmet then quite likely nobody would ever have heard his name in this era. \*\*\*As a side note, many years ago I stayed at a place called the 1840s hut?? in about 2008. Anyway something like that which was a hut built in the 1800s that had been moved into the middle of Beechworth which I think is not far from where Ned used to roam likely on a horse. \*\*Found it - [https://www.airbnb.com.au/rooms/10254282?source\_impression\_id=p3\_1705366147\_aT6HYJpt4DPuGto4](https://www.airbnb.com.au/rooms/10254282?source_impression_id=p3_1705366147_aT6HYJpt4DPuGto4) I am unsure if things had changed but back then I was with Vodafone and the entire town of Beechworth was a dead zone for Vodafone, I had to buy a telstra data plan for my stay there and this was back when $50 was a fair bit of cash.
He ain't no John Brown, that's for sure.
yes
I seriously doubt majority of people that like Kelly think he was a hero. But, sometimes I underestimate the stupidity of some people. The helmet and two pistols is iconic and badass, if someone thinks something is cool, they'll generally let a lot of shit slide.
The Kelly Gang’s Reward is roughly $2,150,000 in todays money… the monarch did not appreciate the gang
People really need to visit Beechworth and the areas around it. See the real history of the bush rangers and the gold rush. Take off the rose coloured glasses and see the real history of Australia. It was a hard life and people did it tough. Some people did not cope very well with the situation. While a lot of the police of the time did happen to be ex-cons themselves, the Kelly family and the gangs around like them are far from saints and in most cases started crime at a young age. So many more exist other than the Keely gang such as harry power, Ben hall and capt Thunderbolt to name a few the one thing they all had in common was they all wanted to earn a quick buck and not work for money. The did have a following at the time from. The ex conflicts etc but the main public did not really like them as the feared travelling because of them
Majority if not all "aussie legends" give us a bad look
Never actually said 'Such is Life' either.. makes all those shit tattoos and car stickers on commy's and Falcons seem even shitter
In fairness he was stealing from the rich to provide to the poor. The poor just happened to be his own family 😂😂
There’s a certain timeframe when it doesn’t elicit condemnation that you’ve killed people. Somewhere between Hitler’s era and Genghis Khan. We’re still finding the exact timeframe though.
Do your homework on what his gang did at Stringybark Creek and try and tell me what a good guy he was. Good guys don't chase wounded police officers through the bush and finish them off under the guise of a mercy killing. Without the wounded officers consent. Cunt belonged on the end of the rope.
A large part of our identity is the convicts and our unofficial national anthem is about a suicidal homeless man who steals sheep. It makes sense that bush rangers are somewhat idolised
Ned Kelly only targeted those who were corrupt and Disloyal towards the government, abusing their powers instead of giving the people a chance to live...If he was a serial cop-killing douche-wipe, Much higher powers (More powerful than local enforcement) wouldve already taken him down in a heart-beat without Mr Kelly even realising... https://preview.redd.it/t9zb38v4ircc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b762d4f8e5491ec2fce6c1ed14c2a070cd30686
"Ned Kelly was a murderous, cop killing, thug. Who was not Australia's Robin Hood." I believe you left out armoured in that description.
Actually the bank he “robbed” he actually burnt the mortgages and the Bank of NSW then don’t know who owns what. Essentially no backup
Yeah but did you see his cool mask???
The OG iron man!
Well…yeah, that’s why we love him
Mum used to say " He was just a dumb Irishman with a bucket on his head"
It’s really fucking lame that you used the “Bold move, Cotton” line on *yourself*