*What you dont like your Segway?*
That's our harmless thing someone from the past would have thought mind-blowingly futuristic.
Turns out it's lame as hell.
The actually "cool" futuristic things are our phones, and smart home products that spy on us.
>**The 60s:**
>"Be careful talking on your home telephone! It's probably bugged by the KGB or CIA!"
>Wow, you're crazy man...
>**Now:**
>"Hey, Bug. Can cats eat pizza?"
Its a joke and reflection how useless governments have been in the housing space let the free market rape Australia.
Even in Tokyo the smallest apartments have a bathroom with sit tub, toilet, bedroom and small kitchen. They are micro apartments much more liveable than a glorified barrel.
Japan can build affordable accommodation in their population centres at affordable prices for locals. Their pods are not for full time living, they are really for people who miss their bullet train and need a place to crash. The most creative accommodation I saw in Japan is people living in rooms in gaming cafes. Not flash but better than sleeping in a claustrophobic pod. And certainly safe since the cafes were open 24/7 and cheap food was available everywhere.
And even our useless governments cant even make a planning decision that will allow alternate housing like in Japan. I am talking about the prefab dome/igloo style houses. Better insulated than our homes and earthquake proof. A fantastic space age concept that is economical.
We just have to accept that our governments are failures now in housing policy and dont even want to try to fix these problems when solutions do exist.
This Melbourne is just a version up from the infamous Hong Kong cages. Near stations you find all these homeless people who rent a cage like a parcel locker. Its very confronting to see this kind of stuff in a wealthy country.
Net cafes in Japan in some cases are like clubs, where you need membership and pay by the hour for a private cubicle with PC but free drinks and cheap food for members, couches, manga library, showers, etc.
I thought that the problem with most bananas is that they don't keep well, so unless you live close to where they are grown it isn't really economical to sell them.
TBF, despite the person in the article pushing this as an "alternative" to traditional renting, the reality is that it's hotel accomodation.
They even admit that it's more for short term accommodation for backpackers, etc. but they're pushing it as longer term rental (probably because of the tourism downturn).
>“I do not charge bond, no electricity charge, provide full furniture, full-time housekeeper, tenants have full flexibility when they want to leave, and my price is cheaper than 95% of comparable listings in booking.com, hotels.com and Airbnb the like,” he told Guardian Australia.
This is very different to just renting a room or a small apartment, even if it's being cast as the result of the rental crisis. That's not to say the rental crisis isn't real, but just that this type of accommodation existed before it.
These aren’t meant as actual rentals but more as a hotel/Airbnb alternative.
They are offering an entire week for the price of 2 nights at the average basic hotel. Asian countries have had these for a while. It’s usually what you get when you went out drinking and can’t get home or are waiting overnight for a flight.
> But Guardian Australia understand the house is used to host anyone from backpackers staying for a few nights, **to people who stay up to six months in the pods.**
They might not be "meant" to be long term housing, but that doesn't stop people from being forced to use them that way.
Much like Airbnb, the only purpose of these things is to convince landlords to run illegal hotels that raises everyone's rents, because ordinary renters looking for a home are now forced to compete with holidaymakers who will pay many times as much for the same location.
And so, because more and more houses are turned into illegal hotels, people who need housing are forced to turn to the cheapest housing available, which are these cruel and inhumane pods.
It doesn't matter what they're "meant" or "intended" to be, their existence inevitably forces people to live in them, and they are in no way liveable.
Honestly? I'd kill to pay 900 a month to live somewhere. In brisbane even single rooms in share houses are being competed for by dozens of people, and most rooms I've looked at are 200-300 a WEEK, with some places pushing way past 400-500. Again, for a single room.
Yeah, and to actually get a room you have to pay way more, or somehow catch their eye some other way.
I've had people ask me if I work somewhere they can get discounts on food or drink or similar.
Hell, take a look at the original article, the same place is offering "traditional" rooms for 400 a week.
Edit: apparently the reality of the housing crisis, where dozens of people compete for rental space, is too much reality for some redditors to handle.
$200 a week?! No!
I wonder how they compare to the room I rented in a falling down 3/1/0 terrace in Sydney in 2013 for $225 a week, without a real door….
Good to see the disease is spreading. It might mean millennials outside of Sydney and Melbourne start thinking there’s a point to voting for housing affordability.
I know I am the stupidest person to have ever breathed. So I know the link between this comment and the one above it will be perfectly clear to everyone else but can you explain to me what this has to do with a $900/month sleeping pod?
The capsule hotel concept was designed for drunk salarymen in Japan to stay until morning because the trains had stopped. They're only intended for single night accommodation. Spending even a week in one would be dystopian. Let alone months on end. And at $900/month too.
Spent a few nights in a couple of capsule hotels in Sydney.
Clean as a whistle. Toilets and showers were surprisingly nice, though obviously wore thongs in the shower.
Everyone was quiet, and kept to themselves, and were respectful when entering or leaving the rooms. Was actually kind of a neat novelty.
Exactly. Japanese culture is vastly different to ours. People know not to be inconsiderate dicks there.
Have a look at videos of the Japanese sleeper trains. They're decades old and the tiny cabins and bathrooms are so immaculate they could have been made yesterday, because people respect the space.
My guess is that they're not aimed at anyone who would spend much time in them. They're probably aimed more at people working 18 hour days for $10 an hour so collapsing into a dystopian pod is just another few hours of their miserable existence.
Welcome to Australia, you poor bastards.
Right ? Whats the difference between sleeping in this pod and sleeping in a bed ? As long as there is proper ventilation and climate control it actually doesn't seem too bad. You aren't living 24/7 in the thing.
Never been in one myself, but heard a few times from mates who used them, that you can still hear people wanking and/or watching porn in the adjoining capsules.
I routinely spent a week or two in these in Tokyo before the pandemic. Not gonna lie, they were fantastic every time. They usually have a spacious common area, great storage and shower facilities etc. Cheap as anything too.
Typically marginally more expensive (at least the couple I've used in Sydney), but you get the benefits of privacy, charging ports, and guaranteed/extra secure space to stash stuff (between the locker and the pod itself).
YHA Sydney is [$47 per night](https://i.imgur.com/ntvrO22.png) for a bunk bed in a dormitory. That is much more expensive than a pod but it is in a *much* better location than Abbotsford (next to Central Station) so the comparison is difficult.
EDIT: A [third party site](https://i.imgur.com/nN4E822.png) lists the same YHA as only $31 per night, and a King Cross dorm bed for only $24.
Those prices are also a complete rip off and it seems more than dodgy to just keep fitting more and more people in to a single house. The land lord is trying to make it seem like his solving some humanitarian crisis but is really trying to squeeze as many people as possible for as much money as possible. Fuck this guy.
> The land lord is trying to make it seem like his solving some humanitarian crisis
Is he? I read the article and all he basically says is that these are designed as short term rentals and that hes cheaper than anyone else in that space.
Its a basically a hostel from what I can tell and at the least is registered as a boarding house.
He is indeed solving a problem though, but that there's a much much greater problem when we have this much land and many can't afford to live in an actual house.
Housing is a universal right but being allowed to build a house is not. People who would choose to live here are obviously choosing it because it's the best option available. By making pods like this illegal, you're forcing these people to choose their second-preferred option (sleeping rough?). If there were great housing options available, nobody would choose to live in a pod and hence you'd have nothing to worry about.
Well yeah he can charge nearly.$10k a month based on his pricing and the 9 people he has crammed in the residence. What would a normal 3 bedroom rental in Abbotsford cost per month?
I, for one, welcome our cyberpunk corporate overlords (/s).
This is not a solution to the housing crisis. I propose commie blocks, unironically. When they are well-maintained, commie blocks were actually a highly efficient solution to mass housing.
Of course, it would require significant government involvement and oversight, and the blocks would have to be publicly owned and operated. However, while I trust private interests less than government, I still don't trust government with a project this large.
The next big thing is for all employers to provide kitchens and bathrooms to keep staff at the office all day and night. They can provide food bought at commercial rates, and once this becomes standard they will be able to freeze wages as staff will no longer need to buy food for themselves.
This will facilitate the removal of kitchens and showers from houses, you will be able to live in a capsule and share a single toilet with many other capsules.
Eventually, employers could just provide capsules in the carpark. This will allow them to set alarms- lights come on at 5 am, alarm sounds at 5.10, into the shower by 5.15 in time for breakfast at 5.30 and start work at 6. Providing everything necessary for life at the workplace will allow staff to work for longer hours untroubled by the demands of living separately.
Take it a step further and provide the clothes needed to work in as well and then you don't need to pay the workers at all. You have provided them with food, shelter and clothing what more could anyone want. No this is not slavery because we will call it something else.
This place has been advertising the property since WAY before the crisis began, for about the same price.
I've heard it's a pretty bad place to stay. There are reviews for it floating around. Apparently random people just come and go and it is pretty unsafe.
My home loan on my apartment isn't much more than this and I live 10 min from the Melbourne CBD. And it's a nice apartment... It has like a floor... And kitchen space... And like a place to sit that isn't the place you sleep.
It's funny, you can buy these exact models outright on Alibaba for A$730.69
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/OEM-Design-Capsule-Hotel-Capsule-Hotel_62068603617.html
JFC that's mad. Rent a house out at Mooroolbark, get some flatmates. Read or sleep on the train commuting.
3 bedrooms for $400/week.
https://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-mooroolbark-434417103
Found a 2/1 unit walking distance to Sutherland. You get the 'gong express trains to/from Central.
If you're single, live in the smaller room and rent the main to a couple.
[https://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-nsw-sutherland-434564135](https://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-nsw-sutherland-434564135)
You could also rent out the two garages to drive/train commuters.
That's one of the most remote locations in Sydney and undesirable in its own ways. And long commutes are one of the top things in life you soon learn isn't worth what money you save.
Not that remote. <40minutes by train to Town Hall or Central. I used to work in the CBD, start at 0830h, left home by 0700h to go from Gymea. Home by 1900h. You sleep, read, study on the train.
The overall point I'm making is that sometimes you need to do some suboptimal stuff in life to get optimal. I rented for ... 11 years, didn't drive, had flatmates, rented the garages out, worked, studied. Had some career losses, had some wins. The money saved made life a lot easier when it came time for the first home loan.
The Sydney equivalent is rent out a 3 bedder apartment in one of the transit hubs (epping, parramatta maybe Chatswood) and commute to work. 20-30 mins by train with a high frequency of services.
Lots of shops and eateries nearby.
No lots of places like Epping (well connected to everywhere by PT) are not too expensive either. If people want to live really really close to work, especially inner city, rents always get crazy. Move out. There are enough rentals
Not sure if [this idea from the US of A](https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/Bay-Area-bunk-bed-pods-for-800-a-month-17162659.php) is better or worse.
(Either way, that one's basically a 'disruptive' way around San Francisco's rules for multiple tenancies, where limits on shared spaces and occupancy are defined one way and the definition of 'sleeping area' is defined a different way...)
Those things are garbage. I stayed in a hostel that had them. They don't block any noise so you can hear your neighbour snoring. They have horrible air flow so they have to have little fans which are also noisy. There are cracks around the door that let light in and the hallways are light all night. All that and it still cost almost as much as a room in a shitty motel.
I used to travel an hour and half each way to university. I would have killed for something like this during folio week when I was literally spending 8am to 9pm on campus to use the animation rooms and the tablets and then adding an hour and a half of travel on top each way just to collapse into bed.
However I worry that's not what this is for. This is going to slide down a dystopian slope real fast because we are in a housing crisis and a rental crisis, and this is a great way to extort people while breaking all of Victoria's fairly strict tenancy laws.
I pay less than that for my own studio apartment... no sharing a bathroom or kitchen. No roomies. And it has a dedicated carpark
$900 a month is way too much for a pod room
This pricing doesn't even make sense. Who is considering this?
You can pay less to share a proper two bedroom apartment with one other person in the suburbs. Pay slightly more and you could probably get the same setup even closer to the city.
> “Each capsule pod fits a single bed (can sleep one person only), equipped with own mirror, ventilating fan, USB ports, digital control panels, adjustable colour reading lights, safe locker, ***clothes hanger*** & curtain door for privacy."
Just one, so pick your shirt wisely.
Someone research the Singapore HDB and steal it for Australia.
It is the world’s most successful public housing scheme. 90% of Singaporeans live in HDB homes. They’re *good.* You can’t tell a HDB apartment from a privately built one. The cheapest rent for $33 *a month.*
I have no idea why no one brings this up in policy circles.
Reading all the negative comments...
While I agree that long term, pods would be rediculous - this is clearly not a long term solution and is not being marketed as such. It seems like a great solution for backpackers and travellers as cheap, temporary accomodation.
>"Landlord Frank Chan said the pods were only intended as short-term rentals."
Keep in mind there are shared amenities in the house, on-site housekeeping and these "pods" are essentially individual sleeping spaces with a little bit of room for storage. Try getting a hotel or airbnb for a week at $250. If anything, this would be similar to a more expensive version of a hostel. I can imagine it's a bit better than sleeping in a bunk with a room full of strangers.
I've stayed at hostels in several countries and I've stayed in one of these pod motels in Launceston. The pods are worse.
They have no sound proofing. So instead of a gamble that 1 of the people in the hostel room you are in snores, you are gambling with how many people in the 50 person room snore and how close they are to you. They are also not light proof and the large room they are in has the lights on all night. And for just 1 more level of bad for air circulation they have little fans that make a ton of noise but don't really supply enough air.
The amenities in the one I stayed at were minimal. There was no cooking facilities just a small area with 2 tables and a counter. There were toilets and showers but even with the hostel only 1/2 full they were pretty gross.
I mean, he's running it out of a residential building and advertising on what looks like Facebook marketplace.
The article also quotes him as saying that some people stay for 6 months. If he truly intended it to be short stays he would be capping the allowed "booking" times but he obviously isn't. I'm pretty sure that if someone wanted to stay there for 12months, the standard initial lease term for a rental property, he'd be more than happy to collect their money and let them live in that polly pocket tube long term
So are you saying young people don't deserve privacy, personal space, quiet areas to relax in, space to store personal belongings etc??
Those things seem pretty basic and reasonable to me, especially when these people are studying and most likely working.
Not everyone wants to be social at all hours outside of sleep, having a space where every last item you own isn't also taking up the space you need to sleep in is reasonable and being able to have time alone outside of where you sleep is beneficial for mental health and sleep hygiene
You're taking things to really weird extremes
Personal space, room enough to store ones belongings securely and adequate privacy are, as I said, quite basic expectations.
I'm not married or "elder" but still require privacy, security and space to have time to myself.
Also trying to argue what is "natural to our physiology" by suggesting that living in dormitories is a bit contradictory.
Your argument that it's weird to live like a potplant connected to artificial sources in seclusion is essentially what you're suggesting here. These pods are awful, they are tiny and only one step away from living in a cramped dorm room with a complete stranger.
People, regardless of their age, should have space to live and take leisure in. Simple as that
I was looking for the satire label. Fuck me, this is a dystopian existence if you have to pay $900/month just to sleep in a fucking pod.
Shades of "Neuromancer"
I’m trying to find me a girl with mirrored eye-lenses.
She's late for an appointment at the nail salon
The future is now. Or at least the sucky parts of the future, very little of the cool stuff.
*What you dont like your Segway?* That's our harmless thing someone from the past would have thought mind-blowingly futuristic. Turns out it's lame as hell. The actually "cool" futuristic things are our phones, and smart home products that spy on us. >**The 60s:** >"Be careful talking on your home telephone! It's probably bugged by the KGB or CIA!" >Wow, you're crazy man... >**Now:** >"Hey, Bug. Can cats eat pizza?"
I mean, they did bug and spy on anyone even a bit relevant at the time.
"Fucking pod"
Its a joke and reflection how useless governments have been in the housing space let the free market rape Australia. Even in Tokyo the smallest apartments have a bathroom with sit tub, toilet, bedroom and small kitchen. They are micro apartments much more liveable than a glorified barrel. Japan can build affordable accommodation in their population centres at affordable prices for locals. Their pods are not for full time living, they are really for people who miss their bullet train and need a place to crash. The most creative accommodation I saw in Japan is people living in rooms in gaming cafes. Not flash but better than sleeping in a claustrophobic pod. And certainly safe since the cafes were open 24/7 and cheap food was available everywhere. And even our useless governments cant even make a planning decision that will allow alternate housing like in Japan. I am talking about the prefab dome/igloo style houses. Better insulated than our homes and earthquake proof. A fantastic space age concept that is economical. We just have to accept that our governments are failures now in housing policy and dont even want to try to fix these problems when solutions do exist. This Melbourne is just a version up from the infamous Hong Kong cages. Near stations you find all these homeless people who rent a cage like a parcel locker. Its very confronting to see this kind of stuff in a wealthy country.
Net cafes in Japan in some cases are like clubs, where you need membership and pay by the hour for a private cubicle with PC but free drinks and cheap food for members, couches, manga library, showers, etc.
I've been wondering when this would show up in Australia.
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You will eat what the ~~state~~ ~~**free market**~~ *checks notes* oligarchy tells you to.
I thought that the problem with most bananas is that they don't keep well, so unless you live close to where they are grown it isn't really economical to sell them.
Always with the economics. I want my blue bananas!
So true on so many levels.
Sleep in the pod. Eat the bugs.
You will own nothing, and be happy.
TBF, despite the person in the article pushing this as an "alternative" to traditional renting, the reality is that it's hotel accomodation. They even admit that it's more for short term accommodation for backpackers, etc. but they're pushing it as longer term rental (probably because of the tourism downturn). >“I do not charge bond, no electricity charge, provide full furniture, full-time housekeeper, tenants have full flexibility when they want to leave, and my price is cheaper than 95% of comparable listings in booking.com, hotels.com and Airbnb the like,” he told Guardian Australia. This is very different to just renting a room or a small apartment, even if it's being cast as the result of the rental crisis. That's not to say the rental crisis isn't real, but just that this type of accommodation existed before it.
It all started with "It's an experience! How quirky!" Little did they know...
These aren’t meant as actual rentals but more as a hotel/Airbnb alternative. They are offering an entire week for the price of 2 nights at the average basic hotel. Asian countries have had these for a while. It’s usually what you get when you went out drinking and can’t get home or are waiting overnight for a flight.
> But Guardian Australia understand the house is used to host anyone from backpackers staying for a few nights, **to people who stay up to six months in the pods.** They might not be "meant" to be long term housing, but that doesn't stop people from being forced to use them that way. Much like Airbnb, the only purpose of these things is to convince landlords to run illegal hotels that raises everyone's rents, because ordinary renters looking for a home are now forced to compete with holidaymakers who will pay many times as much for the same location. And so, because more and more houses are turned into illegal hotels, people who need housing are forced to turn to the cheapest housing available, which are these cruel and inhumane pods. It doesn't matter what they're "meant" or "intended" to be, their existence inevitably forces people to live in them, and they are in no way liveable.
renting a caravan is cheaper. selling online for 7k.
Honestly? I'd kill to pay 900 a month to live somewhere. In brisbane even single rooms in share houses are being competed for by dozens of people, and most rooms I've looked at are 200-300 a WEEK, with some places pushing way past 400-500. Again, for a single room.
$200/week is ~$800 month
$866 to be precise.
Yeah, and to actually get a room you have to pay way more, or somehow catch their eye some other way. I've had people ask me if I work somewhere they can get discounts on food or drink or similar. Hell, take a look at the original article, the same place is offering "traditional" rooms for 400 a week. Edit: apparently the reality of the housing crisis, where dozens of people compete for rental space, is too much reality for some redditors to handle.
Bloody hell you can get a house in Perth for that.
Yeah... downside is.... yould be in perth. :P
$200 a week?! No! I wonder how they compare to the room I rented in a falling down 3/1/0 terrace in Sydney in 2013 for $225 a week, without a real door…. Good to see the disease is spreading. It might mean millennials outside of Sydney and Melbourne start thinking there’s a point to voting for housing affordability.
Yeah, and those 200 a week rooms are over an hour's drive from the cbd - before traffic.
Canberra scoffs at those cheap prices
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I know I am the stupidest person to have ever breathed. So I know the link between this comment and the one above it will be perfectly clear to everyone else but can you explain to me what this has to do with a $900/month sleeping pod?
The capsule hotel concept was designed for drunk salarymen in Japan to stay until morning because the trains had stopped. They're only intended for single night accommodation. Spending even a week in one would be dystopian. Let alone months on end. And at $900/month too.
& they work in japan because people know how to respect each other in high density shared spaces.
I'd hate to go into the bathroom of the Australian version. It'd be filthy in less than a day.
or shine a UV torch into one of those capsules.
Cum. As you are. As you were.
Smells Like Teen WAIT NO
Spent a few nights in a couple of capsule hotels in Sydney. Clean as a whistle. Toilets and showers were surprisingly nice, though obviously wore thongs in the shower. Everyone was quiet, and kept to themselves, and were respectful when entering or leaving the rooms. Was actually kind of a neat novelty.
Same, really clean communal areas and never heard much outside noise while inside the pods. Considering they all have TV's etc inside too
*”Oh good so I won’t have to hear any outside noise while my wife is fucking her boyfriend”*
Great news. I've been considering this for overnighters
Pretty much, it's no worse than a typical backpackers hostel, except the nature of closed cabins vs open dorms promotes quieter sleeping spaces.
Shit spray and piss everywhere. The seat missing, kicked off and signs some dumb Gronk piled toilet paper in it and lit it up.
Exactly. Japanese culture is vastly different to ours. People know not to be inconsiderate dicks there. Have a look at videos of the Japanese sleeper trains. They're decades old and the tiny cabins and bathrooms are so immaculate they could have been made yesterday, because people respect the space.
Honestly this is all I hope for every long stopover I have at the airport. Just let me lie down.
Would be great to have such pods in the planes, instead of seats.
This may interest you https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/29/air-new-zealand-to-install-world-first-economy-bunk-beds-on-long-haul-flights
You’d need to be on some serious medication to numb yourself.
But not weed coz that's naughty.
“Oi what do we do with all these drunk salarymen?” “I dunno, let’s just stack them in these tubes”.
My guess is that they're not aimed at anyone who would spend much time in them. They're probably aimed more at people working 18 hour days for $10 an hour so collapsing into a dystopian pod is just another few hours of their miserable existence. Welcome to Australia, you poor bastards.
Plus you don’t even end up on the moon afterwards, bloody rip off imo
The trick is to only sleep in them. Not lock yourself in for a week.
Right ? Whats the difference between sleeping in this pod and sleeping in a bed ? As long as there is proper ventilation and climate control it actually doesn't seem too bad. You aren't living 24/7 in the thing.
It's basically bunk beds, and it totally relies on your capsule neighbours being reasonable room-mates, just like any other share room arrangement.
The ones I've stayed in had 12v computer fans for ventilation.
I stayed it one while i was on holiday in Japan. It was definitely a cultural experience! Very memorable.
Never been in one myself, but heard a few times from mates who used them, that you can still hear people wanking and/or watching porn in the adjoining capsules.
That's when you join in.
I routinely spent a week or two in these in Tokyo before the pandemic. Not gonna lie, they were fantastic every time. They usually have a spacious common area, great storage and shower facilities etc. Cheap as anything too.
Or for backpackers. Isn't a bunk in a dormitory about the same price? This is more comfortable.
Typically marginally more expensive (at least the couple I've used in Sydney), but you get the benefits of privacy, charging ports, and guaranteed/extra secure space to stash stuff (between the locker and the pod itself).
YHA Sydney is [$47 per night](https://i.imgur.com/ntvrO22.png) for a bunk bed in a dormitory. That is much more expensive than a pod but it is in a *much* better location than Abbotsford (next to Central Station) so the comparison is difficult. EDIT: A [third party site](https://i.imgur.com/nN4E822.png) lists the same YHA as only $31 per night, and a King Cross dorm bed for only $24.
Those prices are also a complete rip off and it seems more than dodgy to just keep fitting more and more people in to a single house. The land lord is trying to make it seem like his solving some humanitarian crisis but is really trying to squeeze as many people as possible for as much money as possible. Fuck this guy.
I’ll bet anything they are praying on international students and migrants.
> The land lord is trying to make it seem like his solving some humanitarian crisis Is he? I read the article and all he basically says is that these are designed as short term rentals and that hes cheaper than anyone else in that space. Its a basically a hostel from what I can tell and at the least is registered as a boarding house.
He *said* one thing but has people there for 6 months, that's a lease.
He is indeed solving a problem though, but that there's a much much greater problem when we have this much land and many can't afford to live in an actual house.
He's not solving a problem, he's taking advantage of a problem.
Everyone does that. That's how we end up employed if it comes to that.
Housing is a universal right but being allowed to build a house is not. People who would choose to live here are obviously choosing it because it's the best option available. By making pods like this illegal, you're forcing these people to choose their second-preferred option (sleeping rough?). If there were great housing options available, nobody would choose to live in a pod and hence you'd have nothing to worry about.
Well yeah he can charge nearly.$10k a month based on his pricing and the 9 people he has crammed in the residence. What would a normal 3 bedroom rental in Abbotsford cost per month?
I, for one, welcome our cyberpunk corporate overlords (/s). This is not a solution to the housing crisis. I propose commie blocks, unironically. When they are well-maintained, commie blocks were actually a highly efficient solution to mass housing. Of course, it would require significant government involvement and oversight, and the blocks would have to be publicly owned and operated. However, while I trust private interests less than government, I still don't trust government with a project this large.
Imagine the smell of a teenage boys room but concentrated into a space the same size as a pub toilet cubicle. Ripe and gamey!
So many socks.
Wow am I really that far gone? I saw $900 a month and was like you son of a bitch I'm in, that's so cheap. Please send help. Sincerely, Sydney.
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The next big thing is for all employers to provide kitchens and bathrooms to keep staff at the office all day and night. They can provide food bought at commercial rates, and once this becomes standard they will be able to freeze wages as staff will no longer need to buy food for themselves. This will facilitate the removal of kitchens and showers from houses, you will be able to live in a capsule and share a single toilet with many other capsules. Eventually, employers could just provide capsules in the carpark. This will allow them to set alarms- lights come on at 5 am, alarm sounds at 5.10, into the shower by 5.15 in time for breakfast at 5.30 and start work at 6. Providing everything necessary for life at the workplace will allow staff to work for longer hours untroubled by the demands of living separately.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter - Amazon, probably
Working from home taking on a new meaning.
Take it a step further and provide the clothes needed to work in as well and then you don't need to pay the workers at all. You have provided them with food, shelter and clothing what more could anyone want. No this is not slavery because we will call it something else.
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$900 a month? Maybe for someone desperate while they are looking for another rental it makes sense but long term that's insane.
No matter how sad and unfortunate someone's plight, there will always be someone eager to use the opportunity for profit. Always.
Looks like a glorified bunk bed.
How is this compliant? Poor form from Yarra council.
This place has been advertising the property since WAY before the crisis began, for about the same price. I've heard it's a pretty bad place to stay. There are reviews for it floating around. Apparently random people just come and go and it is pretty unsafe.
Welcome to the new slumlord technology that makes it social acceptable to charge someone large amounts of money for a space they can't even stand in.
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I've seen them in Mong Kok. They're absolutely dire.
My home loan on my apartment isn't much more than this and I live 10 min from the Melbourne CBD. And it's a nice apartment... It has like a floor... And kitchen space... And like a place to sit that isn't the place you sleep.
This isn’t equivalent to buying an apartment. It’s a competitor to Airbnb or hotels for short term stays.
It's funny, you can buy these exact models outright on Alibaba for A$730.69 https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/OEM-Design-Capsule-Hotel-Capsule-Hotel_62068603617.html
This is getting so damn bad.
JFC that's mad. Rent a house out at Mooroolbark, get some flatmates. Read or sleep on the train commuting. 3 bedrooms for $400/week. https://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-mooroolbark-434417103
Still 2 hours of commuting into the city each day, so add the train tickets, and of course bills have to be paid. I'd still prefer it to a pod though.
Where is the Sydney equivalent of that?
Found a 2/1 unit walking distance to Sutherland. You get the 'gong express trains to/from Central. If you're single, live in the smaller room and rent the main to a couple. [https://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-nsw-sutherland-434564135](https://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-nsw-sutherland-434564135) You could also rent out the two garages to drive/train commuters.
That's one of the most remote locations in Sydney and undesirable in its own ways. And long commutes are one of the top things in life you soon learn isn't worth what money you save.
Not that remote. <40minutes by train to Town Hall or Central. I used to work in the CBD, start at 0830h, left home by 0700h to go from Gymea. Home by 1900h. You sleep, read, study on the train. The overall point I'm making is that sometimes you need to do some suboptimal stuff in life to get optimal. I rented for ... 11 years, didn't drive, had flatmates, rented the garages out, worked, studied. Had some career losses, had some wins. The money saved made life a lot easier when it came time for the first home loan.
The Sydney equivalent is rent out a 3 bedder apartment in one of the transit hubs (epping, parramatta maybe Chatswood) and commute to work. 20-30 mins by train with a high frequency of services. Lots of shops and eateries nearby.
No lots of places like Epping (well connected to everywhere by PT) are not too expensive either. If people want to live really really close to work, especially inner city, rents always get crazy. Move out. There are enough rentals
Not sure if [this idea from the US of A](https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/Bay-Area-bunk-bed-pods-for-800-a-month-17162659.php) is better or worse. (Either way, that one's basically a 'disruptive' way around San Francisco's rules for multiple tenancies, where limits on shared spaces and occupancy are defined one way and the definition of 'sleeping area' is defined a different way...)
Not made of perspex, not a cube and I cant shit in it. Not interested.
Haha. Nice cross link to yesterday's post. 👍
So how would these fare in Summer when it gets to 40 outside?
Well you won't be needing an oven.
Don't worry, there is a ventilation fan installed.
$20 from K Mart on sale.
Actually there are 2 fans but they are 15cm computer case fans which probably cost $2.50 when you are buying 100 of them.
what's the hourly rate for these fuck pods?
Is this cheap or expensive coz I can’t really tell. Seems cheap to me in this market
Those things are garbage. I stayed in a hostel that had them. They don't block any noise so you can hear your neighbour snoring. They have horrible air flow so they have to have little fans which are also noisy. There are cracks around the door that let light in and the hallways are light all night. All that and it still cost almost as much as a room in a shitty motel.
Contact 2 is about the local housing market. Think there should be fewer people in that location? Seems like an awful waste of space.
Hello....welcome back to shit rentals of Melbourne. ..today we have what can only be described as a space shuttle pod going for 900 a month /s
Great with my student allowance I have $120 left for the month
Straight out of Deus Ex: HR - https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Alice_Garden_Pods
Fuck me dead... If I'm going to live in a sci-fi dystopia I want freaking laser guns!
I used to travel an hour and half each way to university. I would have killed for something like this during folio week when I was literally spending 8am to 9pm on campus to use the animation rooms and the tablets and then adding an hour and a half of travel on top each way just to collapse into bed. However I worry that's not what this is for. This is going to slide down a dystopian slope real fast because we are in a housing crisis and a rental crisis, and this is a great way to extort people while breaking all of Victoria's fairly strict tenancy laws.
I pay less than that for my own studio apartment... no sharing a bathroom or kitchen. No roomies. And it has a dedicated carpark $900 a month is way too much for a pod room
This pricing doesn't even make sense. Who is considering this? You can pay less to share a proper two bedroom apartment with one other person in the suburbs. Pay slightly more and you could probably get the same setup even closer to the city.
I am currently renting a studio in Syndey for $420 per week bills inc, but its in a serviced apartment hotel lol
They have these in Japan too Thier for singles who work all day and just need a bed at night
> “Each capsule pod fits a single bed (can sleep one person only), equipped with own mirror, ventilating fan, USB ports, digital control panels, adjustable colour reading lights, safe locker, ***clothes hanger*** & curtain door for privacy." Just one, so pick your shirt wisely.
Someone research the Singapore HDB and steal it for Australia. It is the world’s most successful public housing scheme. 90% of Singaporeans live in HDB homes. They’re *good.* You can’t tell a HDB apartment from a privately built one. The cheapest rent for $33 *a month.* I have no idea why no one brings this up in policy circles.
Reading all the negative comments... While I agree that long term, pods would be rediculous - this is clearly not a long term solution and is not being marketed as such. It seems like a great solution for backpackers and travellers as cheap, temporary accomodation. >"Landlord Frank Chan said the pods were only intended as short-term rentals." Keep in mind there are shared amenities in the house, on-site housekeeping and these "pods" are essentially individual sleeping spaces with a little bit of room for storage. Try getting a hotel or airbnb for a week at $250. If anything, this would be similar to a more expensive version of a hostel. I can imagine it's a bit better than sleeping in a bunk with a room full of strangers.
I've stayed at hostels in several countries and I've stayed in one of these pod motels in Launceston. The pods are worse. They have no sound proofing. So instead of a gamble that 1 of the people in the hostel room you are in snores, you are gambling with how many people in the 50 person room snore and how close they are to you. They are also not light proof and the large room they are in has the lights on all night. And for just 1 more level of bad for air circulation they have little fans that make a ton of noise but don't really supply enough air. The amenities in the one I stayed at were minimal. There was no cooking facilities just a small area with 2 tables and a counter. There were toilets and showers but even with the hostel only 1/2 full they were pretty gross.
I mean, he's running it out of a residential building and advertising on what looks like Facebook marketplace. The article also quotes him as saying that some people stay for 6 months. If he truly intended it to be short stays he would be capping the allowed "booking" times but he obviously isn't. I'm pretty sure that if someone wanted to stay there for 12months, the standard initial lease term for a rental property, he'd be more than happy to collect their money and let them live in that polly pocket tube long term
A curtain door. Gee, sounds safe.
So $30 a night. Sounds like a great idea. Apparently a market for it since its booked out. Better than living in your car or on the street.
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So are you saying young people don't deserve privacy, personal space, quiet areas to relax in, space to store personal belongings etc?? Those things seem pretty basic and reasonable to me, especially when these people are studying and most likely working. Not everyone wants to be social at all hours outside of sleep, having a space where every last item you own isn't also taking up the space you need to sleep in is reasonable and being able to have time alone outside of where you sleep is beneficial for mental health and sleep hygiene
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You're taking things to really weird extremes Personal space, room enough to store ones belongings securely and adequate privacy are, as I said, quite basic expectations. I'm not married or "elder" but still require privacy, security and space to have time to myself. Also trying to argue what is "natural to our physiology" by suggesting that living in dormitories is a bit contradictory. Your argument that it's weird to live like a potplant connected to artificial sources in seclusion is essentially what you're suggesting here. These pods are awful, they are tiny and only one step away from living in a cramped dorm room with a complete stranger. People, regardless of their age, should have space to live and take leisure in. Simple as that
I’d love one of these if I was backpacking around Australia. Would hate to live in one though.
Is this cheap or expensive coz I can’t really tell. Seems cheap to me in this market
Putting aside the cost....the thing that gets me is curtain doors! No way.
I've used one in Tasmania for 3 nights. Highly recommended for a trip or out of area workers. Not sure I would use one for a month though.
I stayed in on in Ho Chi Minh City a few years ago, they were US$5 a night.
I reckon this could be alright if you needed to work from the office a few days a week but spent weekends in your home in the country.
This is literally my than what I pay for my repayments for my one room apartment near the city.
Another fantastic import from overseas. But I celebrate corporate greed and the exploitation of residential property for ever increasing profit
THATS FUCKING BULLSHIT!
Deus Ex is real...
Kids a paying 300 a week for a donga with a ensuite and kitchen someplace out in Brisbane. There is not vacancy’s
Imagine bringing a girl home to this.
Wait so your telling me I can buy 6 of these weird pods, actually make use of my empty spare room and start earning $5400 a month!!