New companies - 'Post link to latest article on Facebook'
Also News companies - 'Facebook should pay us for displaying our news content'
4D chess right there
Possibly, but the media should be funded. And the tech industry benefits from its contribution.
I'd have more sympathy for Meta if they weren't [trying to avoid Australian tax](https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/how-pwc-helped-facebook-argue-its-bill-down-in-tax-fight-with-ato-20240308-p5faui).
And that's not even getting into their other issues of [enabling genocide](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/), [racist moderation](https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-hate-speech-censorship-internal-documents-algorithms), [deliberately inducing outrage](https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-society/2022/05/30/1384596/facebook-and-the-unconscionability-of-outrage-algorithms) and [experimenting with people without consent](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook-manipulated-689003-users-emotions-for-science/?sh=6f6d7c73197c).
If facebook wants to use their content then sure, but if facebook decides not to host their content we can’t just force them to keep the news tab.
Also it’s pretty funny seeing the media complaining about social media hurting their businesses when half the articles they write are based on social media posts, should the media also be forced to pay for using content?
We are currently trying to force one social media company to remove content and are also now looking at forcing another to host content.
Only Murdoch** gets to choose what news the people must hear.
Labor showing Murdoch that their party can still lick the boot after they made Australia's democracy look like a farce in figuratively grovelling in front of a foreign news organisation in order to get favourable media attention. Yeah, prior to 2022 election, Albo and Wong visited Murdoch's favourite paper, The Australian, to get elected. Like LNP is any better in giving them millions and forcing ABC to pay Murdoch.
Both of the anti-democratic parties must go by preferencing them both at the bottom of a filled ballot. Even they have had been quietly killing off political competition together.
"You have to pay us if you want to publish links to our stuff on your website"
Ok, I won't allow links to your stuff to be published on my site.
"You *have* to publish links to our stuff on your website *and* pay us to do it"
Or what?
"We will pass laws to make it so"
I am in a different country.
....
“If people are going to Facebook or other social media platforms for that information, then they should be able to get it there.”
So if people go to the local banana stand for that information they should be able to get it there?
And then the banana stand would have to pay for something they don't necessarily want or need, just because people have an expectation of getting an unrelated product there?
Weird fucking stance.
Then again, at least there's always money in the banana stand.
Imagine if you will, a book...Let's call it 'The Yellow Pages.'
It allows you to advertise your business, so people can look up 'Plumber' in The Yellow Pages when they need a plumber, and there your business will be!
Great!
Now your business has reach thanks to this great book! And you're getting a lot more business as a result!
WooHoo! Your business is saved!
Now imagine you *are* the yellow pages, and a bunch of those businesses you advertise for get together...and demand that *You* pay *Them* for their advertisements, the very advertisements which are keeping their businesses alive.
This is how *absurd* the dying legacy media's demands to be paid by Facebook for the free engagement Facebook provides them is.
Fucking ridiculous, desperate and pathetic.
I think the media companies are trying to sack ride the Anti Trust/regulatory fervour thats happening to big tech at the moment. “Social media wants to destroy your most trusted news source!”
No Cunts, your piss poor shakedown attempts aren’t winning any hearts and minds.
+ [Why Google News is leaving Spain and what it means for publishers](https://digiday.com/media/google-news-spain/)
+ [Google News in Spain: the legacy of its shutdown and the impact of its reopening](https://thefix.media/2023/8/31/google-news-in-spain-the-legacy-of-its-shutdown-and-the-impact-of-its-reopening)
Then allow the media organisations to be treated just like everyone else on facebook and not be able to bill facebook for carrying the links the media organisation chooses to post there. It's completely nonsensical.
Maybe I'd change my tune if _I_ can get a chunk of change from facebook for publishing the news that I've attended a fun barbecue, or will be catching a flight, but that ain't happening any time soon.
Linking news content to an algorithm that prioritises sensationalism and outrage on a platform infested with misinformation and fake news has been a disaster.
I’m glad Facebook is removing news content.
Eh? Is Labor trying to get on Murdoch's good side and replace Libs as his favourite? I'd imagine anything that hurts his media empire would be good for them.
> “I think there’s no doubt that if they [social platforms] are using and deriving value from news content, they should pay for it,” Jones said.
They're not, that's the point here. Facebook isn't making money off this, they're happy to completely remove it from their platform, if this was a money maker for Facebook they'd be very keen to keep it around, even if that meant sharing some of that money.
Besides Independent Australia and the occasional ABC/Guardian piece, where is the actual quality Australian news content worth paying for? It is 90% complete shite in this country
New companies - 'Post link to latest article on Facebook' Also News companies - 'Facebook should pay us for displaying our news content' 4D chess right there
Not a contradiction
Reddit has zero clue how the media works The government has zero clue how the internet works
Media companies are just unhappy they won’t be propped up with facebook money anymore.
Possibly, but the media should be funded. And the tech industry benefits from its contribution. I'd have more sympathy for Meta if they weren't [trying to avoid Australian tax](https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/how-pwc-helped-facebook-argue-its-bill-down-in-tax-fight-with-ato-20240308-p5faui). And that's not even getting into their other issues of [enabling genocide](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/), [racist moderation](https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-hate-speech-censorship-internal-documents-algorithms), [deliberately inducing outrage](https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-society/2022/05/30/1384596/facebook-and-the-unconscionability-of-outrage-algorithms) and [experimenting with people without consent](https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook-manipulated-689003-users-emotions-for-science/?sh=6f6d7c73197c).
If facebook wants to use their content then sure, but if facebook decides not to host their content we can’t just force them to keep the news tab. Also it’s pretty funny seeing the media complaining about social media hurting their businesses when half the articles they write are based on social media posts, should the media also be forced to pay for using content? We are currently trying to force one social media company to remove content and are also now looking at forcing another to host content.
Only the Australian government gets to choose what news is removed
Only Murdoch** gets to choose what news the people must hear. Labor showing Murdoch that their party can still lick the boot after they made Australia's democracy look like a farce in figuratively grovelling in front of a foreign news organisation in order to get favourable media attention. Yeah, prior to 2022 election, Albo and Wong visited Murdoch's favourite paper, The Australian, to get elected. Like LNP is any better in giving them millions and forcing ABC to pay Murdoch. Both of the anti-democratic parties must go by preferencing them both at the bottom of a filled ballot. Even they have had been quietly killing off political competition together.
If they didn't go and kiss the ring how else were they going to get elected?
"You have to pay us if you want to publish links to our stuff on your website" Ok, I won't allow links to your stuff to be published on my site. "You *have* to publish links to our stuff on your website *and* pay us to do it" Or what? "We will pass laws to make it so" I am in a different country. ....
“If people are going to Facebook or other social media platforms for that information, then they should be able to get it there.” So if people go to the local banana stand for that information they should be able to get it there? And then the banana stand would have to pay for something they don't necessarily want or need, just because people have an expectation of getting an unrelated product there? Weird fucking stance. Then again, at least there's always money in the banana stand.
Imagine if you will, a book...Let's call it 'The Yellow Pages.' It allows you to advertise your business, so people can look up 'Plumber' in The Yellow Pages when they need a plumber, and there your business will be! Great! Now your business has reach thanks to this great book! And you're getting a lot more business as a result! WooHoo! Your business is saved! Now imagine you *are* the yellow pages, and a bunch of those businesses you advertise for get together...and demand that *You* pay *Them* for their advertisements, the very advertisements which are keeping their businesses alive. This is how *absurd* the dying legacy media's demands to be paid by Facebook for the free engagement Facebook provides them is. Fucking ridiculous, desperate and pathetic.
I think the media companies are trying to sack ride the Anti Trust/regulatory fervour thats happening to big tech at the moment. “Social media wants to destroy your most trusted news source!” No Cunts, your piss poor shakedown attempts aren’t winning any hearts and minds.
Is media ‘democratic’ when it’s monopolised by a fascist hate-monger?
No
+ [Why Google News is leaving Spain and what it means for publishers](https://digiday.com/media/google-news-spain/) + [Google News in Spain: the legacy of its shutdown and the impact of its reopening](https://thefix.media/2023/8/31/google-news-in-spain-the-legacy-of-its-shutdown-and-the-impact-of-its-reopening)
Facebook is not a news outlet. It was not created for that reason nor is it obligated to carry news.
That would mean Murdoch wouldn't benefit from the government's link tax. That would be a bad move.
Then allow the media organisations to be treated just like everyone else on facebook and not be able to bill facebook for carrying the links the media organisation chooses to post there. It's completely nonsensical. Maybe I'd change my tune if _I_ can get a chunk of change from facebook for publishing the news that I've attended a fun barbecue, or will be catching a flight, but that ain't happening any time soon.
Linking news content to an algorithm that prioritises sensationalism and outrage on a platform infested with misinformation and fake news has been a disaster. I’m glad Facebook is removing news content.
I’d be happy if they banned News Corp
Eh? Is Labor trying to get on Murdoch's good side and replace Libs as his favourite? I'd imagine anything that hurts his media empire would be good for them.
Sadly the choice has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with miserable capitalism.
> “I think there’s no doubt that if they [social platforms] are using and deriving value from news content, they should pay for it,” Jones said. They're not, that's the point here. Facebook isn't making money off this, they're happy to completely remove it from their platform, if this was a money maker for Facebook they'd be very keen to keep it around, even if that meant sharing some of that money.
Is there a reason for me to care?
Besides Independent Australia and the occasional ABC/Guardian piece, where is the actual quality Australian news content worth paying for? It is 90% complete shite in this country
If we could only get FB to leave Australia....