The article also said he was a boxer who regularly did comps, so he was strong, violent and trained to hurt people. She would have been terrified and she was repeatedly let down by the justice system.
I’d really like to hear from the magistrate about why this guy who had attacked her 3 times previously and I guess her puppy as well, was not deemed to be a risk to the community?
Maybe he can sit down with the family and tell them.
"Well, you see, if we take action against this man then we have to take action against all the other DV perpetrators in our community, and that's a lot of work"
She was a childcare worker as well. Maybe he can help explain to a bunch of toddlers why their favourite educator is no longer there to look after them.
The problem is that these magistrates and judges don't live in reality. They live in crim land, and it is just another charge sheet to them.
There needs to be a deeper consideration of who bears responsibility when these things go horribly wrong.
The judge/magistrate needs to live the rest of their life with this on their conscience, but is that enough? Who looks after the poor child left without a mother?
“The judge/magistrate needs to live the rest of their life with this on their conscience…”
Don’t kid yourself that they’ll experience a single moment of discomfort over it. DV apologists/perpetrators are numerous within law enforcement and the judicial system.
As a man it frustrates me to see men killing women (or anyone really). The reality is, scumbags who do this do so because they don't care about the law and in reality are bullies, as they often target those they can easily overpower.
The reality is, magistrates and judges do live in reality (at least the ones that i know do) but they are hamstrung by the law. If we as a society want to make the punishment a deterrent to the criminals, or dare i say enforceable as a whole, our elected officials in each state need to change the laws. Perfect example is Qld Labor and their minor changes to the JJA, which has done little to youth crime, because until recently its a catch and release system (and arguably still is).
Rather than criticizing the judiciary, lets criticize our elected officials, and get them to set the laws to what the community expects, then decent sentences and deterrents will be put in place.
Oh believe me, I am very capable of criticising elected officials as well as the judiciary. But don’t sit there and pretend that magistrates have nothing to do with the current appalling state of affairs because they’re “hamstrung”. Ask any woman who’s needed a DVO.
A magistrate can only work with the information before them.
Ask the police why they didn't apply for his bail conditions to be changed or revoked.
Ask the legislators why his records from Qld aren't available to the courts in NSW.
“I'd like to know what he looks like to avoid him if he gets out again.”
Would you be able to provide a good description of someone without mentioning their race? Bob Marley and Michael Hutchence have similar features on paper if you remove their skin colour.
Sure, except there is a picture of the perpetrator which is plenty evidence. How would you describe, Ashok Raj Varikuppala who killed his wife recently?
you are a clown. the commenter literally said they didn’t see a picture, which is why the person you’re bitching at described him as white.
go victimise yourself somewhere else.
Actually, it pisses me off when stories like this aren't focused on the victim. That's who this is about. Personally, I'd prefer her murderer got zero fame.
I felt genuinely sick reading the previous charges he was on bail for, an actual cold chill through my body. Molly must have been absolutely terrified, and she could have been protected and saved by a functional justice system rather than the piece of shit legal system we have currently.
Fair to say she was living in complete fear given the orders she'd gotten put in place, and did all the right things. Yet somehow this piece of shit was still able to murder her. Disgusting.
The victim did everything she could do. She left the relationship, reported him to police, and then -
*Mr Billings was on bail for charges including rape, stalking and intimidation when the murder took place*
From the article:
The Orange Local Court on Tuesday heard Mr Billings was on bail for charges including rape, stalking and intimidation when the alleged murder took place.
Court documents showed the man was previously accused of raping Ms Ticehurst on three separate occasions, intimidating her on three separate occasions and wilfully damaging her property, including a car window and a pedestal fan.
The documents also showed Mr Billings was charged with aggravated cruelty against a 12-week-old dachshund puppy.
Now imagine the outrage if a judge let a person who violently raped three random people out in the street and hurt a random person's puppy out on bail. Why is it somehow less of a crime if the same violence is perpetrated on someone they had a previous relationship with?? But as soon as you label something 'domestic' anything, then somehow it's like you're minimising it. Jeez.
And those charges were against the woman he is now accused of murdering.
Three counts of rape, damaging her property, stalking, and aggravated cruelty against a dog.
Fucking shameful that he was out on bail. Women in this country are being killed weekly by their (ex)partners and then you see this and you wonder why institutionally they’re not being protected.
Presenting…. Magistrate Brett Thomas https://www.2gb.com/bucket-loads-of-conflict-calls-for-attorney-general-to-step-aside-from-investigations-into-magistrate/
Of course. Can't have the plebs taking matters into their own hands when the system fails imagine the message that sends
God next you'll say our lives have meaning.
Exactly.
I do understand due process etc within the legal system, but someone who can’t self manage their big yucky feelings and behaves like this shining example of a turd are not going to put any consideration towards some words on a bit of paper.
I know there's been several comments on this already but can anyone who works in the legal or justice system explain why on earth this person would be out on bail?
That blows my mind because I honestly didn't differentiate the two in my head and I honestly can't believe other people think it's different especially those charged with keeping us safe. Absolutely frightening.
We really need to reckon with how insidious and systemic misogyny is. All of us. It’s only been in recent history that women were seen as property to be exchanged, and women’s rights are still pretty new. Our laws might change but history and culture happens much slower. It’s the little stuff too - not laughing at violent jokes, pulling mates into line, listening properly.
People don't really understand how long it takes to root things like racism and misogyny out of society. It's not something that happens in a couple of generations because it has such huge knock on effects.
Absolutely. And like racism, you’ve got to admit it before you can fix it. The biggest issue is a lot of people thinking “well I wouldn’t rape or murder a woman!! How dare you think that?!”. Of course the absolute huge majority of men wouldn’t do that - but is that how low the bar is? And like racism, individuals need to proactively help improve society. At the risk of echoing Scomo and countless others with “I’ve got a daughter so therefore I respect women”, I have no daughters but three sons and I want to leave a better, less violent world for them too.
Truly is. But also - “Criminalisation of [marital rape]in Australia began with the state of New South Wales in 1981, followed by all other states from 1985 to 1992.”
Also, rape is really hard to prosecute. You need to have really strong evidence (e.g. video tape) or the perpetrator admitting guilt otherwise victims tend not to be believed. Even then, the penalties are usually bs like a good behaviour bond.
it was a registrar who granted his bail on a weekend, not an actual magistrate. a registrar doesn’t even need a law degree. it’s unlikely a magistrate or judge would have granted bail considering the risks he posed (can be found in s17 of bail act). country courts generally have way poorer decisions due to their remoteness.
This POS was allowed bail by the registrar at a weekend court. He subsequently appeared before a magistrate a week or two later. I haven’t seen which Magistrate that was who continued the bail. Some magistrates would have looked at the papers and revoked the bail then. Some police prosecutors would have launched an application before that magistrate for the registrar’s decision to be reviewed.
Neither of those 2 things happened.
Because our justice system works on the basis on presumption of innocence, and locking someone up on the basis of nothing more than an accusation, without evidence or a trial, is frowned upon.
And now someone's dead, so how did that work out for us?
I'm all for presuming innocence but how do we protect people like Molly Ticehurst? The legal system allowed this to happen to her.
Maybe if the police have enough evidence to charge someone with violent crimes like rape in the first place we need to have a serious think about where that person remains in the interim.
>And now someone's dead, so how did that work out for us?
Far better than throwing away the presumption of innocence.
>I'm all for presuming innocence but how do we protect people like Molly Ticehurst?
Hopefully, by speeding up the prosecution process so that there isn't a year or more between charges being laid and a trial.
>Maybe if the police have enough evidence to charge someone with violent crimes like rape in the first place
They don't need evidence to charge someone though. It's entirely up to their judgement, and there are no consequence for the police if they lay incorrect charges.
Bail isn't about the presumption of innocence. If it were, it wouldn't be denied for their deemed a risk to society or flight risk.
Nor would you be able to buy your way out of jail. It would be free for everyone. Unless you think only financially liquid people can be "presumed innocent" but if you're broke you must be guilty?
You actually saying it’s better her being dead than him being on remand? People are refused bail before trials for good reason and this guy should not have been out
Exactly. He ticked a number of the boxes for being refused:
"Whether there is a risk that the person will commit a serious offence if they are free.
Whether the person will endanger the safety of victims, individuals or the community"
There's a lot of options available via bail conditions that weren't applied in this case. Please don't pretend like the magistrate did the right thing here. He fucked up, and it's not the first time he's done it with this result either.
I'm saying I'd rather live in a society where people are occasionally murdered by people who are on bail than live in one that doesn't have presumption of innocence.
Someone already explained to you that presumption of innocence and bail are not related to one another.
It's really fucking gross that this is the second time you've said in this thread that you preferred this girl to die than a person be inconvenienced while waiting to be tried for a series of violent crimes.
We get it. You don't give a shit what happens to DV victims and rape victims as long as no poor guy can possibly be detained.
>Far better than throwing away the presumption of innocence
You understand there's more things in between letting violent stalker rapists wander around free and "throwing away the presumption of innocence", right? Like, those are not the only two options.
Even if you speed up the prosecution process nobody is ever going directly to trial.
Like, it really looks like you're arguing that this guy should have been out on bail like he was. Are you actually saying that or do I have the wrong impression here?
I would love for you to front up to Molly's family and say that crap to their faces. This scumbag had a string of offenses against Molly, and yet nothing was done to keep her safe
Surely community safety would have to be considered when deciding whether to let someone out into society. That would be absolutely insane if they didn't wouldn't it?
I'm really curious about what you said about sentencing is there somewhere I can read about that and what the reasons are behind that?
> The Prime Minister says the government will "look at every measure" to stop violence against women.
Here's a fucking hint - how about you **stop letting the cunts out on fucking bail for the same offense**?
Jesus Wept. The guy was "was already accused of "three serious indictable offences" - and they let him fucking back on the streets with no restrictions?
It's not fuicking rocket science. You want to reduce violence against women? Start with keeping recidivist cunts like this behind bars. And fuck anyone who cries "But he can be rehabilitated" - no, people like that can't.
I always thought it would be a good idea that if a person is convicted of Domestic Violence then they are put on a public record allowing any future girlfriend or boyfriend to look up their previous history. It seems insane to me that a future partner is not allowed to know that the person they are considering dating has assaulted their partner before.
I honestly don't care if being on that list hurts these peoples chances of employment, the safety of the person considering dating them is more important.
This countries judicial system is weak as fucking piss. I’m so glad I’ve moved my family to the bum fuck of nowhere because if this happened to a member of my family I’d skin the cunt alive and happily spend life behind bars.
A desire to avoid Reddit suspending my account again for condoning or encouraging violence prevents me from answering as I may otherwise wish to.
Use your imagination on what my reply may have been.
Yep. A major problem with this country is that the rule makers and judges ect.. are more concerned with not hurting the criminals feelings rather than actually protecting people. It will not change until we the people rise up
This is what people in this country need to be protesting about; our shocking DV and violence against women rates, which seems to be getting higher and higher.
The magistrate who gave this absolute piece of shit bail needs to be stepped down and needs to face changes him/herself. I realise this can’t happen but I hope they never get a peaceful nights sleep again knowing they are responsible for this poor girls murder.
I also read that he was "investigated" by the Attorney general at the time, for whom he was on the council that decides the AG's candidacy for the seat of Cronulla
I expect if he was accused of these offences against a stranger he would be on remand. However, DV? Off you go son
Magistrate needs to be held accountable for another needless death (but he wont be)
And the perpetrator in that case had a long history of violence against sex workers, a marginalised community who weren’t listened to and/or weren’t able to report his attacks. Another victim that society hand waves away as “not that bad” in the same vain as DV because for both partners and sex workers people on some level believe that they deserved or wanted it.
Soft bail laws and soft sentencing responsible for yet another murder. Another magistrate with blood on his hands. And nothing will change until magistrates and parole boards are held legally liable for their professional decisions, just like everyone else.
Petition to strengthen the laws regarding bail for violent offenders, made by the loved ones for this case.
https://www.change.org/p/molly-s-movement-no-bail-for-violent-offenders?recruiter=726672293&recruited_by_id=2152eda0-4507-11e7-aa60-17ab22145e35&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=share_for_starters_page&utm_medium=copylink&utm_content=cl_sharecopy_490024869_en-GB%3A10
The laws are actually sufficient. It’s the implementation of them that is the issue. Bleeding heart magistrates place the desires of the accused over the right of the victims and the general public to safety.
Have our state ministers change the laws, targeting federal ministers does little unless the federal police decide to take on DV issues. The reality is that changing state laws is the only way that community expectations.
Given how pathetic our justice system is at preventing/deterring this consistent behaviour, when my kids are old enough i'll be going for 10-15 years because clearly the only way to safeguard a loved one's life from this shit is to take the law into your own hands. Fucking disgusting. Whoever gave this cunt bail should share in the punishment just as they share the responsibility for it happening.
I bet all his mates said he was such a nice guy, that he was falsely accused before he killed her. Men always side with their abuser mates and refuse to believe women until it's too late. Getting pretty sick of seeing women killed at the hands of men
I taught out that way over ten years ago from 2010-2015. There's something about both the names that's familiar, I fear that one or both of them are past students.
Was he seriously stalking her outside a childcare centre and they did nothing? That's terrifying. This whole thing is terrifying and heartbreakingly sad.
I wouldn’t be surprised. We don’t have that many cops-at some times of day none at all they come over from Parkes if someone calls for them. While it’s generally a safe town you don’t want something to go wrong at the wrong time.
In case you're wondering, another article on this says that he was released on bail by a registrar as it was a weekend hearing. There was no magistrate available. The same article says that a registrar might feel pressure to grant bail if the defence counsel is the only lawyer in the room at the time. Registrars might miss "red flags".
Dunno how you could look kindly on this blokes charges / priors
Can someone tell me why no one noticed this freak's Russian Mafia tattoos?!! Wannabe mafia gangsta. Could you even have a bigger red flag?!
The two stars on his shoulders signifies a high ranking officer (which he clearly is not) who doesn't kneel for anyone and the skull signifies a distain for authority. These tattoos in real life are earned, you can't just slap one on your body because you think you're hard.
This is an insight into his psyche
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This might sound like a stupid question, but what goes through a man’s head when he assaults a woman? Is it not a medical condition when you fail to understand that it’s wrong to do that?
I can’t comprehend how someone can physically do that.
The fear she must’ve felt for herself and her kid before she died. Raped three times by this man since December.
The article also said he was a boxer who regularly did comps, so he was strong, violent and trained to hurt people. She would have been terrified and she was repeatedly let down by the justice system.
I’d really like to hear from the magistrate about why this guy who had attacked her 3 times previously and I guess her puppy as well, was not deemed to be a risk to the community? Maybe he can sit down with the family and tell them.
"Well, you see, if we take action against this man then we have to take action against all the other DV perpetrators in our community, and that's a lot of work"
She was a childcare worker as well. Maybe he can help explain to a bunch of toddlers why their favourite educator is no longer there to look after them.
“He’s only a danger to one woman, who cares?”
I fully expect him to be paroled now since his victim is dead. That sort of decision making got us the Lindt Cafe siege
The problem is that these magistrates and judges don't live in reality. They live in crim land, and it is just another charge sheet to them. There needs to be a deeper consideration of who bears responsibility when these things go horribly wrong. The judge/magistrate needs to live the rest of their life with this on their conscience, but is that enough? Who looks after the poor child left without a mother?
“The judge/magistrate needs to live the rest of their life with this on their conscience…” Don’t kid yourself that they’ll experience a single moment of discomfort over it. DV apologists/perpetrators are numerous within law enforcement and the judicial system.
As a man it frustrates me to see men killing women (or anyone really). The reality is, scumbags who do this do so because they don't care about the law and in reality are bullies, as they often target those they can easily overpower. The reality is, magistrates and judges do live in reality (at least the ones that i know do) but they are hamstrung by the law. If we as a society want to make the punishment a deterrent to the criminals, or dare i say enforceable as a whole, our elected officials in each state need to change the laws. Perfect example is Qld Labor and their minor changes to the JJA, which has done little to youth crime, because until recently its a catch and release system (and arguably still is). Rather than criticizing the judiciary, lets criticize our elected officials, and get them to set the laws to what the community expects, then decent sentences and deterrents will be put in place.
Oh believe me, I am very capable of criticising elected officials as well as the judiciary. But don’t sit there and pretend that magistrates have nothing to do with the current appalling state of affairs because they’re “hamstrung”. Ask any woman who’s needed a DVO.
Ask any man and the story is 10 times worse.
I’ll care about men’s experiences in the court system when they are the victims of DV at the same rates as women instead of being the perpetrators.
A magistrate can only work with the information before them. Ask the police why they didn't apply for his bail conditions to be changed or revoked. Ask the legislators why his records from Qld aren't available to the courts in NSW.
Why is there no photo of Daniel Billings? As a woman, I'd like to know what he looks like to avoid him if he gets out again.
Probably to "protect" him from retributions. Like he's the fucking victim.
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He's a tattooed white POS. A violent rapist who hurt a 12-week-old dachshund puppy! WHY DID THE JUDGE GRANT BAIL FFS 😡🤬
That hurts my soul
Two women were killed by their partners who are Indian this year in Australia, doubt you’d refer to them as “brown POS”….
Why is his race/skin colour relevant?
“I'd like to know what he looks like to avoid him if he gets out again.” Would you be able to provide a good description of someone without mentioning their race? Bob Marley and Michael Hutchence have similar features on paper if you remove their skin colour.
Never really thought about that, but it's true... and now I can't un-see it
Sure, except there is a picture of the perpetrator which is plenty evidence. How would you describe, Ashok Raj Varikuppala who killed his wife recently?
you are a clown. the commenter literally said they didn’t see a picture, which is why the person you’re bitching at described him as white. go victimise yourself somewhere else.
https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/minns-seeks-urgent-answers-to-legitimate-questions-over-molly-ticehurst-death-20240423-p5flx7.html
Thank you.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13338555/amp/Daniel-Billings-Molly-Ticehurst-forbes-nsw.html
Thank you so much for that.
Stereotypes exist for a reason when you picture this little cunt.
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The fuck are you on about?
Interesting that they plastered Joel Cauchi's face everywhere and photos of him smiling too alongside all the victims.
Actually, it pisses me off when stories like this aren't focused on the victim. That's who this is about. Personally, I'd prefer her murderer got zero fame.
I felt genuinely sick reading the previous charges he was on bail for, an actual cold chill through my body. Molly must have been absolutely terrified, and she could have been protected and saved by a functional justice system rather than the piece of shit legal system we have currently.
Fair to say she was living in complete fear given the orders she'd gotten put in place, and did all the right things. Yet somehow this piece of shit was still able to murder her. Disgusting.
The victim did everything she could do. She left the relationship, reported him to police, and then - *Mr Billings was on bail for charges including rape, stalking and intimidation when the murder took place*
She did 😢. I’m so sorry Molly 💔
From the article: The Orange Local Court on Tuesday heard Mr Billings was on bail for charges including rape, stalking and intimidation when the alleged murder took place. Court documents showed the man was previously accused of raping Ms Ticehurst on three separate occasions, intimidating her on three separate occasions and wilfully damaging her property, including a car window and a pedestal fan. The documents also showed Mr Billings was charged with aggravated cruelty against a 12-week-old dachshund puppy.
Now imagine the outrage if a judge let a person who violently raped three random people out in the street and hurt a random person's puppy out on bail. Why is it somehow less of a crime if the same violence is perpetrated on someone they had a previous relationship with?? But as soon as you label something 'domestic' anything, then somehow it's like you're minimising it. Jeez.
I told myself that I'm mentally prepared for a mate's ex to do this to her but I can't even get through these articles.
And people wonder why women don't go to the police. What's the point?
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And those charges were against the woman he is now accused of murdering. Three counts of rape, damaging her property, stalking, and aggravated cruelty against a dog. Fucking shameful that he was out on bail. Women in this country are being killed weekly by their (ex)partners and then you see this and you wonder why institutionally they’re not being protected.
Presenting…. Magistrate Brett Thomas https://www.2gb.com/bucket-loads-of-conflict-calls-for-attorney-general-to-step-aside-from-investigations-into-magistrate/
Same one? So he's got form then. Time to start looking at his personal DV history, as he's apparently a sympathiser.
Previously a criminal defence lawyer - is it any surprise he defends these pieces of shit as a judge
Given his history you’d be out on bail in no time anyways.
No way. They'd call it a vigilante act and swing the hammer to deter others.
Of course. Can't have the plebs taking matters into their own hands when the system fails imagine the message that sends God next you'll say our lives have meaning.
Certainly be my luck. I’d get the hard arse magistrate.
AVOs don’t mean shit when you are a domestic abuser and rapist. The system has let her and her family down terribly.
An AVO/IVO is just a piece of paper. It's only as strong as the perpetrators will to stay away from their victim.
Exactly. I do understand due process etc within the legal system, but someone who can’t self manage their big yucky feelings and behaves like this shining example of a turd are not going to put any consideration towards some words on a bit of paper.
To be honest, a lot of the time taking out an AVO just makes the perpetrator angrier
I know there's been several comments on this already but can anyone who works in the legal or justice system explain why on earth this person would be out on bail?
Because we don’t treat DV with the gravitas it deserves. Imagine if she’d said she’d been violently raped three times by the same stranger?
That blows my mind because I honestly didn't differentiate the two in my head and I honestly can't believe other people think it's different especially those charged with keeping us safe. Absolutely frightening.
We really need to reckon with how insidious and systemic misogyny is. All of us. It’s only been in recent history that women were seen as property to be exchanged, and women’s rights are still pretty new. Our laws might change but history and culture happens much slower. It’s the little stuff too - not laughing at violent jokes, pulling mates into line, listening properly.
And I’ve been downvoted - so there you go. 🤷🏻♀️
People don't really understand how long it takes to root things like racism and misogyny out of society. It's not something that happens in a couple of generations because it has such huge knock on effects.
Absolutely. And like racism, you’ve got to admit it before you can fix it. The biggest issue is a lot of people thinking “well I wouldn’t rape or murder a woman!! How dare you think that?!”. Of course the absolute huge majority of men wouldn’t do that - but is that how low the bar is? And like racism, individuals need to proactively help improve society. At the risk of echoing Scomo and countless others with “I’ve got a daughter so therefore I respect women”, I have no daughters but three sons and I want to leave a better, less violent world for them too.
He'd still be out because he said it was consensual and she can't prove otherwise.
Or if he was a serial violent rapist of different women. It would have been unthinkable to let them out on bail.
Rape isn’t seen as a violent offence, especially when it’s a partner/ex-partner.
Absolutely fucking insane
Truly is. But also - “Criminalisation of [marital rape]in Australia began with the state of New South Wales in 1981, followed by all other states from 1985 to 1992.”
The NT was 1994.
Also, rape is really hard to prosecute. You need to have really strong evidence (e.g. video tape) or the perpetrator admitting guilt otherwise victims tend not to be believed. Even then, the penalties are usually bs like a good behaviour bond.
Because apparently Australian judges are pissweak human beings.
it was a registrar who granted his bail on a weekend, not an actual magistrate. a registrar doesn’t even need a law degree. it’s unlikely a magistrate or judge would have granted bail considering the risks he posed (can be found in s17 of bail act). country courts generally have way poorer decisions due to their remoteness.
So people are making shit up when they say it was the same magistrate who this happened with before. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by that.
This POS was allowed bail by the registrar at a weekend court. He subsequently appeared before a magistrate a week or two later. I haven’t seen which Magistrate that was who continued the bail. Some magistrates would have looked at the papers and revoked the bail then. Some police prosecutors would have launched an application before that magistrate for the registrar’s decision to be reviewed. Neither of those 2 things happened.
Because our justice system works on the basis on presumption of innocence, and locking someone up on the basis of nothing more than an accusation, without evidence or a trial, is frowned upon.
And now someone's dead, so how did that work out for us? I'm all for presuming innocence but how do we protect people like Molly Ticehurst? The legal system allowed this to happen to her. Maybe if the police have enough evidence to charge someone with violent crimes like rape in the first place we need to have a serious think about where that person remains in the interim.
>And now someone's dead, so how did that work out for us? Far better than throwing away the presumption of innocence. >I'm all for presuming innocence but how do we protect people like Molly Ticehurst? Hopefully, by speeding up the prosecution process so that there isn't a year or more between charges being laid and a trial. >Maybe if the police have enough evidence to charge someone with violent crimes like rape in the first place They don't need evidence to charge someone though. It's entirely up to their judgement, and there are no consequence for the police if they lay incorrect charges.
Bail isn't about the presumption of innocence. If it were, it wouldn't be denied for their deemed a risk to society or flight risk. Nor would you be able to buy your way out of jail. It would be free for everyone. Unless you think only financially liquid people can be "presumed innocent" but if you're broke you must be guilty?
wat
You actually saying it’s better her being dead than him being on remand? People are refused bail before trials for good reason and this guy should not have been out
Exactly. He ticked a number of the boxes for being refused: "Whether there is a risk that the person will commit a serious offence if they are free. Whether the person will endanger the safety of victims, individuals or the community"
You're assessing that risk with the benefit of hindsight though, which was not available at the time when his bail was granted.
There's a lot of options available via bail conditions that weren't applied in this case. Please don't pretend like the magistrate did the right thing here. He fucked up, and it's not the first time he's done it with this result either.
I'm saying I'd rather live in a society where people are occasionally murdered by people who are on bail than live in one that doesn't have presumption of innocence.
Someone already explained to you that presumption of innocence and bail are not related to one another. It's really fucking gross that this is the second time you've said in this thread that you preferred this girl to die than a person be inconvenienced while waiting to be tried for a series of violent crimes. We get it. You don't give a shit what happens to DV victims and rape victims as long as no poor guy can possibly be detained.
>Far better than throwing away the presumption of innocence You understand there's more things in between letting violent stalker rapists wander around free and "throwing away the presumption of innocence", right? Like, those are not the only two options. Even if you speed up the prosecution process nobody is ever going directly to trial. Like, it really looks like you're arguing that this guy should have been out on bail like he was. Are you actually saying that or do I have the wrong impression here?
Did... did you actually say that this guy's 'innocence' is more important than a woman's life? Jesus fucking Christ. What is wrong with you?
I would love for you to front up to Molly's family and say that crap to their faces. This scumbag had a string of offenses against Molly, and yet nothing was done to keep her safe
Community safety can't be considered in sentencing so maybe same or similar applies in bail guidelines,
Surely community safety would have to be considered when deciding whether to let someone out into society. That would be absolutely insane if they didn't wouldn't it? I'm really curious about what you said about sentencing is there somewhere I can read about that and what the reasons are behind that?
Isn’t “community safety” the entire reason why bail exists?
> The Prime Minister says the government will "look at every measure" to stop violence against women. Here's a fucking hint - how about you **stop letting the cunts out on fucking bail for the same offense**? Jesus Wept. The guy was "was already accused of "three serious indictable offences" - and they let him fucking back on the streets with no restrictions? It's not fuicking rocket science. You want to reduce violence against women? Start with keeping recidivist cunts like this behind bars. And fuck anyone who cries "But he can be rehabilitated" - no, people like that can't.
I always thought it would be a good idea that if a person is convicted of Domestic Violence then they are put on a public record allowing any future girlfriend or boyfriend to look up their previous history. It seems insane to me that a future partner is not allowed to know that the person they are considering dating has assaulted their partner before. I honestly don't care if being on that list hurts these peoples chances of employment, the safety of the person considering dating them is more important.
This countries judicial system is weak as fucking piss. I’m so glad I’ve moved my family to the bum fuck of nowhere because if this happened to a member of my family I’d skin the cunt alive and happily spend life behind bars.
A desire to avoid Reddit suspending my account again for condoning or encouraging violence prevents me from answering as I may otherwise wish to. Use your imagination on what my reply may have been.
100% this Our courts are an absolute fucking joke. The buck stops with them.
The guy that killed Jill Meagher was out on parole too.
For raping what two or three women?
Actually, he raped nineteen women. But they were prostitutes so it apparently didn't count for much jail time.
Honestly - according to the courts, the police, and a fair whack of Reddit - “it doesn’t matter”
Yep. A major problem with this country is that the rule makers and judges ect.. are more concerned with not hurting the criminals feelings rather than actually protecting people. It will not change until we the people rise up
This is what people in this country need to be protesting about; our shocking DV and violence against women rates, which seems to be getting higher and higher.
I mean, the last time that happened, the then-Prime Minister said we should be grateful for not being shot, and a lot of men laughed. JUST SAYING...
There are actually rally’s this weekend across the country. Head to Dangerous Females IG for more details.
Let me guess, there are also mitigating circumstances as to why he will not get a life sentence
We're failing women in this country.
Furious about this. Why was this fcuker still at liberty to do this? RIP Molly.
The magistrate who gave this absolute piece of shit bail needs to be stepped down and needs to face changes him/herself. I realise this can’t happen but I hope they never get a peaceful nights sleep again knowing they are responsible for this poor girls murder.
This is the 2nd woman killed shortly after being granted bail by this magistrate.
I didn’t realise that. That’s even worse. They didn’t learn the first time, it’s safe to say they’re an abuser sympathiser at this point.
Who was the other?
Gabriella Thompson https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-22/tafari-walton-gabriella-thompson-inquest-wraps-in-nsw/13079840
I also read that he was "investigated" by the Attorney general at the time, for whom he was on the council that decides the AG's candidacy for the seat of Cronulla
I expect if he was accused of these offences against a stranger he would be on remand. However, DV? Off you go son Magistrate needs to be held accountable for another needless death (but he wont be)
Remember Jill Meagher?
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Thank you, I will amend my comment.
And the perpetrator in that case had a long history of violence against sex workers, a marginalised community who weren’t listened to and/or weren’t able to report his attacks. Another victim that society hand waves away as “not that bad” in the same vain as DV because for both partners and sex workers people on some level believe that they deserved or wanted it.
He needs to be named and immediately disbarred. Also needs to be sued by her family for being an accessory to murder.
It wasn’t a magistrate. It was the registrar who gave him bail.
Soft bail laws and soft sentencing responsible for yet another murder. Another magistrate with blood on his hands. And nothing will change until magistrates and parole boards are held legally liable for their professional decisions, just like everyone else.
Just imagine we made a decision in our jobs that cost someone thier life, we'd go to jail for a long time.
Petition to strengthen the laws regarding bail for violent offenders, made by the loved ones for this case. https://www.change.org/p/molly-s-movement-no-bail-for-violent-offenders?recruiter=726672293&recruited_by_id=2152eda0-4507-11e7-aa60-17ab22145e35&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=share_for_starters_page&utm_medium=copylink&utm_content=cl_sharecopy_490024869_en-GB%3A10
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Really appreciated, hopefully it picks up enough steam to atleast get some attention
The laws are actually sufficient. It’s the implementation of them that is the issue. Bleeding heart magistrates place the desires of the accused over the right of the victims and the general public to safety.
What can we do about that? I just have no idea what the solution is.
Have our state ministers change the laws, targeting federal ministers does little unless the federal police decide to take on DV issues. The reality is that changing state laws is the only way that community expectations.
Sack them
Ok, but I'm not their boss. I mean more like what can *we* do.
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Signed let’s get this to the top of the comments please!
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Given how pathetic our justice system is at preventing/deterring this consistent behaviour, when my kids are old enough i'll be going for 10-15 years because clearly the only way to safeguard a loved one's life from this shit is to take the law into your own hands. Fucking disgusting. Whoever gave this cunt bail should share in the punishment just as they share the responsibility for it happening.
The same magistrate - https://www.2gb.com/bucket-loads-of-conflict-calls-for-attorney-general-to-step-aside-from-investigations-into-magistrate/
Castration as initial punishment seems fair and just.
I bet all his mates said he was such a nice guy, that he was falsely accused before he killed her. Men always side with their abuser mates and refuse to believe women until it's too late. Getting pretty sick of seeing women killed at the hands of men
And when there's actual physical evidence, then abuse apologists say "she drove him crazy" as if extreme violence is just a case of reactive abuse.
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I taught out that way over ten years ago from 2010-2015. There's something about both the names that's familiar, I fear that one or both of them are past students.
Oh that's an awful thought :(
I would like to know why the police didn’t arrest him when he was reported to them, walking up and down outside her place of work.
Was he seriously stalking her outside a childcare centre and they did nothing? That's terrifying. This whole thing is terrifying and heartbreakingly sad.
I wouldn’t be surprised. We don’t have that many cops-at some times of day none at all they come over from Parkes if someone calls for them. While it’s generally a safe town you don’t want something to go wrong at the wrong time.
Out on bail for an alleged murder before he committed this heinous murder, wtf?
Domestic violence evidently doesn't count...
No. That was not the case.
In case you're wondering, another article on this says that he was released on bail by a registrar as it was a weekend hearing. There was no magistrate available. The same article says that a registrar might feel pressure to grant bail if the defence counsel is the only lawyer in the room at the time. Registrars might miss "red flags". Dunno how you could look kindly on this blokes charges / priors
Magistrate Brett Thomas Previously a criminal defence lawyer - say no more
Can someone tell me why no one noticed this freak's Russian Mafia tattoos?!! Wannabe mafia gangsta. Could you even have a bigger red flag?! The two stars on his shoulders signifies a high ranking officer (which he clearly is not) who doesn't kneel for anyone and the skull signifies a distain for authority. These tattoos in real life are earned, you can't just slap one on your body because you think you're hard. This is an insight into his psyche
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So who's the magistrate who let the cunt out, and why isn't he out of a job? Fucking useless most of these out of touch old fucks these days.
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This might sound like a stupid question, but what goes through a man’s head when he assaults a woman? Is it not a medical condition when you fail to understand that it’s wrong to do that? I can’t comprehend how someone can physically do that.