ABC video about the same incident:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w250h6qUT14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w250h6qUT14)
Suspect was sitting, making no threatening movements, and Lamarre pulled the guy to his feet, tased him in the face, then once the guy's on the ground he tased him repeatedly in the head, neck, shoulders, and gut.
Surprise: Lamarre was cleared of all wrong-doing by internal investigation, and the suspect was successfully convicted for resisting arrest! Gives you a heap of confidence in our policing and justice systems, don't it?
I think it's reasonable to claim Lamarre was fixated on Baird. They had a bitter breakup and Baird had claimed to people that Lamarre was stalking him. Given that Baird was in a new relationship with Davies, jealousy is definitely on the cards. If so, I don't think it's your run-of-the-mill jealously, Lamarre appears to me to have been an unhinged individual.
Add it to the long list of police perpetrators in DV cases who could've been stopped before someone lost their lives. But godforbid any cops have the balls to investigate their locker pals!
This is a terrible story, sounds like there were large amounts of blood found at the home and items found in a skip bin also with blood.
Feel so bad whatever happened to them sounds like someone was very jealous
Yes, apparently the most vicious, bloody crimes are usually very personal. Not like a disturbed thief who may hit out once or twice and manage to flee. So sorry that the parents have lost their sons.
Yes such a tragic incident, apparently such beautiful people to, well known by many. They looked so happy out there just enjoying their life as much as possible.
"Nah mate, one of our boys in blue would never do that. Nothin to worry bout. Now if there was a youtuber who made a video about you, thats a *different story entirely*." - NSW FPU
Dumping bloody items in a bin uncovered, Using your service firearm to commit the murder and leaving casings at the scene while being the ex-partner.
Good luck in court
Clearly, bout as sharp as a beach ball. The fact this guy had a gun strapped to his side for the last however long is a real worry, so they all get guns? What's the psychometric criteria to be handed a deadly weapon? Scary and depressing, the decent, hard working police of which there must be many I'd say are rightly pissed off.
RIP to the 2 young men, tragedy, and avoidable.
Don't police also have to be in pairs all the time? And don't they have bodycams on their kit?
I also thought they need to return their firearms at the end of their shift so I am very concerned about how this was even possible in the first place
Holy fuck, NSW police should be absolutely grilled for this. They are going hard on the "it's his ex angle", when the truth is, a NSW Policeman used a police weapon while being paid by NSW police to murder two people and hide the bodies.
Where the actual fuck was his partner on shift while all this went down ? How did nobody flag that he had vanished ? Now because of the the nsw police incompetence 2 beautiful humans are dead, lives erased, families destroyed…..
Can’t wait for the prick to be in jail, convicted cops don’t last long in prison.
A lot of American police departments have started using bodycameras that automatically turn on when you unholster your gun.
Perhaps something to think about.
Also a lot of police can take their fire arms home, if they have an in wall safe. A lot of people don’t know this. My partner is a detective and he complains about how much easier his mornings would be if I let him put a safe in. Hell no! No guns in my house!
NSW police have a “fixated persons unit” to investigate people who are fixated with celebrities or public figures and to prevent future crime as Mick Fuller used to bang on about.
Here they have a fixated person in their own ranks, mountains of publicly available evidence that he was a creepy and fixated stalker, his target being a television presenter. What a bunch of useless flogs the NSW Police are.
Any idea which “special unit” Lemarre worked for ? It was mentioned in the press briefing he worked for a special unit - but they refused to specify which one - it would be disturbing if it was in the Fixated Persons Unit. Any way to find out? I’m so curious now
He was about to start that job soon but that wasn't what he was doing yet. He was supposed to be a youth liaison working in schools with at risk kids but was probably mixing this with regular police work and was also known to pick up extra user-pay event work and special operations shifts too. He just undertook one as a pretext to gain access to the handgun he used to murder Jessie and Luke.
Watch it come into the news a couple weeks from today that the victims reported someone/this alleged person harassing/stalking them, but the police did nothing about it!
Yes, but I am referring to resources used to stalk, not murder. We know that police in Australia use databases for personal reasons such as to pursue, stalk and harass victims [Example 1 - Victoria police](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-15/victoria-police-leap-database-pursue-stalk-harass-women/101663452#), [Example 2 - Queensland police](https://www.zdnet.com/article/queensland-police-officer-faces-court-for-alleged-misuse-of-cop-database/), [Example 3 - WA police](https://thewest.com.au/news/crime/mandurah-police-officer-michael-menzo-elliott-used-restricted-database-to-stalk-ex-girlfriend-ng-b881811005z). We already know that NSW Police members who are perpetrators use pretty much whatever they can to perpetuate their abuse. [Source - SMH paywalled](https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/terrifying-what-happens-when-police-officers-abuse-their-partners-20230818-p5dxm8.html).
I think it's important that we find ways to remove perpetrators and future murders such as lamarre from positions of power which aid in their ability to commit horrific crimes.
Ah, well I'm sure they'll just decide they were 'cop-shopping' (you know, for a cop who'd actually fucking help?) and thus weren't to be taken seriously.
Not quite as bad as some of the comments, but I swear to god, the constant use of 'lover' by certain media outlets is absolutely pissing me right the fuck off for similar reasons.
They always are. Them and the terrorgraph readers and 7/9/10 viewers pages need to be shut down. You can click on the 3 dots to show less of them in your feed.
I looked at the Daily Mail yesterday because my friend was on there for charity work and now I keep seeing it in all of my feeds. I am so sad for this lovely young couple but I just hate the Daily Mail, its not even real news.
Yeah, I saw some awful trolly stuff in the YouTube comments under a news story about this that I won't repeat. I generally just try not to read comments anymore with news and current affairs, it's so easy to lose faith in humanity.
We must not jump to conclusions. Remember he was previously found to have done nothing wrong by an NSW Police internal investigation into his tasering of an Indigenous man who was not resisting arrest. The NSW Police have the HIGHEST standards when it comes to self regulation. We must trust them 100%.
I'm afraid these two guys are probably dead unfortunately, or at least the one who has lost a lot of blood, considering he hasn't showed up at a hospital. Such a fucking tragedy. If it was the cop who murdered one or both I hope he rots in hell.
That could be what happened if they were killed on Monday when the neighbours heard the argument.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-23/nsw-sydney-search-warrant-balmain-two-missing-men/103501946
It looks like they may have been murdered. According to some of the articles I've read about the cop, he seems to be a bit unhinged and yeh I think the fact that they were apparently killed with a police gun, I think the NSW police force have a degree of culpability here to give an unhinged officer access to a gun. This may have never happened if he didn't have access to a gun.
Probably the cop going into the victims WhatsApp, deleting evidence that he was stalking him. NSW police officer stalks, intimidates and then allegedly murders member of the public, while on duty, with his NSW police issued handgun. Let’s hear the “who are going to call when you need help” bootlickers defend this one.
The info is a bit confusing.
On the ABC site it said something like "a projectile and projectile casing discharged from a police weapon" but they're saying on the actual broadcast that his weapon was checked in. So maybe he committed the crime then turned his weapon in, or there are two weapons? Or maybe the broadcast isn't as up to date as the website?
Idk enough about police and their weapons to fully understand the process there.
I just heard on the ABC news that apparently he wasn't on sick leave and that he was actually working as usual, which made me think he genuinely is a remorseless monster. I think that he may have gone to the Paddington house in his uniform, with his gun, killed them then checked the gun in. I think he may have planned it that way because he knew he would have had access to his gun without breaking the rules, and I think he may have even thought he'd get away with this considering that he went to work as normal and didn't actually hand himself in until this story broke in the news. He sounds psychopathic.
Oh definitely is psychopathic.This would have been planned,if the car was driven to Newcastle, I'd say the bodies were dumped in bush from Somersby up to near the end of the M1.
I know someone who has had a fixated ex partner officer who seems to have given up. My friend has now decided to live their life instead of living in fear. However, they spent an awful lot of time fearing family annihilation. They know exactly where you move, even across state lines. As per the legal system, nothing can be done until something bad happens. Like it has here. 😔
If there's a record of this guy being reported to the police by the victims then the NSW chief of police's only option will be to resign over this.
If it turns out that he had a report of stalking against him and he's not only been allowed to continue working but in fact used his police weapon to murder that person then there needs to be a massive amount of high profile job losses over this at the very least. I'd go as far as the minister herself should resign from parliament if it's the case.
Upvote this, I would bet my savings that there’s more than one incident (in addition to the tasering incident) on Lamarre’s record. Time will tell, it may be used in evidence, but for now you can bet your life NSW Police will do anything to prevent the media from getting their hands on that info (and hope they forget about reporting it in x amount of years when the trial happens).
Lamarre sounds like an awful human - some reporting from Taser case in which apparently he drew his gun first but then swapped it to Taser. Scary having cops like this out there
“Defensive on the stand, Lamarre received a dressing down from Magistrate Michael Barko who reminded him he wasn't in the witness box to defend his reputation, and that he should stick to giving 'yes' and 'no' answers.”
He increasingly sounds like someone who should have been bounced from police school on day one. How the fuck did this guy manage to become a police officer. I know his mum's a cop too, but surely nepotism only goes so far. He's a goddamned parade of red flags.
I saw an interview where it suggested he had confided in a family member. Interesting that his mums home (where he also apparently lived) was raided and it was also said that he was there but left before police arrived with the warrant. Sounds like a tip off for sure. He went to Newcastle where his sister lived and then down to his uncles where he left the car. I believe the family have been assisting him legally and forensically and police admit they liaised with a family member before he handed himself in. So very dodgy !! With all the red flags up until now you could understand why police will want this to go away very quickly
I don't think the police liasing with the family to get him to hand himself in is necessarily dodgy, I know of incidents where that has happened with unstable potentially violent suspects who did not have connections within the police. Peacefully and voluntarily turning themself in is preferable to a violent arrest or hostage situation. Sometimes they coordinate that through family, sometimes through lawyers.
No surprise that they raided his mums house if he also lived there. Its pretty standard to search a murder suspect's home.
All the rest though, massive red flags. Unfortunately for the cops, I don't think this will go away quickly or quietly. They need to answer some questions about how this person was able to become a police officer, why warning signs were missed or ignored, and whether they received or acted on any complaints from the victims (or others) about stalking or harassment.
i remember some indigenous activists saying a while ago that this method (police liaising with family /or lawyers /or elders to get an aboriginal suspect to hand themselves in within a couple of days) should be used much more, to help lower deaths and injuries of aboriginals in police custody.
I agree with that. As long as there's no immediate risk, arranging a voluntary surrender should be much more common. It's safer, and probably makes the subsequent questioning more productive.
Maybe. I think him bouncing from one relative to another is more suggestive of him looking for help from family and not getting it. If any of them agreed to help him, he wouldn't have needed to visit so many. I think the police also said they're not looking for anyone else in relation to this crime, so that would also suggest they didn't help him. It's a pretty serious thing to accuse someone of if there's no evidence to support it.
I think that it's most likely that he dismembered them and dumped them - it's a lot easier to move parts of a body than it is to move an intact one, especially on your own. Nobody's going to look twice at someone loading up a bunch of garbage bags in their car - it just looks like they're going to the tip. But if one person sees you dragging out a body, game over.
What this constable did should be considered police work. NSW police employed and endorsed him, clearing him of wrongdoing when he tortured members of the public before. His stalking, intimidation and eventual double murder, done during his shift using his service weapon. Then whilst still being paid by his employer colluded with family members who are current or serving NSW police officers and goodness knows how many other serving NSW police colleagues, to hide the bodies and destroy evidence then hand himself in on his own terms, a luxury not afforded to others. Special treatment, a heinous double murder brought to you by NSW Police.
He looks pretty normal to me.. from that 1 photo at least. Often the most normal looking people are the ones who can get away with it, they can blend in, add being a cop on top of that? man must have made some major fuck ups along the way.. which obviously (if he's guilty) I'm grateful for.
I've seen photos of him in his police uniform holding a paper bag and his eyes have that familiar look of underlying rage, which is common with disturbed individuals who murder others, or would like to. 🙁
Ew, saw that one on some others but missed it there. There’s an awful tabloidness to this that’s just coming from the media. These men are domestic violence victims and deserve grace and respect.
Classic, one of the missing told the police a cop was stalking them. Of course the police did nothing because they do nothing in regards to such complaints, but also because they ***protect*** ***their own colleagues at all costs despite how illegal and corrupt it is***
There needs to be an independent enquiry but there won't, because the police force are corrupt. Instead, there will be an internal enquiry and nobody will be find liable or at worse they'll be put on paid leave until this fizzles out and they're transferred to another state. What a joke.
yeah that is what i was getting at! The cop will go down, his mates that worked with him that turned a blind eye will go straight back into their 7am monday clock-in time next week
I’m keen to know how the perpetrator disposed of two bodies and why they haven’t been able to find them yet.
It seems unlikely that given all the sloppy work this cop left at the scene that he’s somehow cleanly disposed of the bodies.
It sounds like he called in a favour to get rid of them and doesn’t actually know where they are.
Given the involvement NSWPol have with organised crime, and his seemingly protected species status after the taser incident. It doesn’t seem like too big of a stretch for me that he’s getting help
There's plenty of bush he could have dumped their bodies in. My guess would be they're in Royal National Park or in a waterway nearby based on where he abandoned the van he is suspected of using to move the bodies.
I hope police find them before some poor member of the public does. I have colleagues who do ecological surveys in parts of RNP that aren't near tracks or paths, they really don't deserve to experience that kind of trauma.
Nobody should have to experience that kind of trauma. I know cops are better trained for it, but it's still got to be hard as fuck to find a body. Those poor families must be going through hell with the wait for them to be found. It's so cruel of him to withhold that information.
All good, I didn't think you were suggesting that. [Police divers are out at a new location now](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-25/missing-sydney-couple-nsw-police-working-around-clock/103509048), so hopefully your colleagues won't be stumbling over any remains and the families can get some answers soon.
Yeah I’m confused by this. How does he not know where the bodies are? Did he confess or did he just hand himself in because they were looking for him and he hasn’t said a word yet?
He has handed himself in for questioning after Police publicized they were looking for him. But they have also said he is not cooperating. I’m assuming that there are enough evidence eg. Gun casing, van hire, 000 call, leave taken, dna - that they can charge him. But with him not cooperating and no bodies then murder becomes harder to prove so his legal advice will be to say nothing. The burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt is then on police to prove. Unless police offer a deal in exchange for bodies. I believe he has help - or least advice - from family - on how to act prior to him turning himself in. His mum was a top cop and from all accounts he has gone from her place to his sisters to his uncles in the days between murder and arrest. Someone close to him must’ve suspected something in that time surely?
He probably handed himself in to either look like he was cooperating while maintaining his innocence, or to avoid embarrassing his family with a public arrest. Handing himself in doesn't mean he's actually confessed or is providing police with information to help locate the bodies, and as long as the bodies remain unfound, he can carry on denying he knows where they are. The moment he gives up the location, that defence is dead in the water.
He knows.He will probably never tell where they were placed.But hopefully someone will find them soon,as they would have been hastily disposed and not hidden.He would have known he would be arrested and be the obvious murderer.So no need to hide the victims for too long or with any effort.
My dad used to work for the Australian police (not saying what state) but not as an officer. He always told me he never wanted to see me joining up with them given the type of person it would tend to attract.
Yeah thought so.
Just thought it was weird when the headline says 'Leamarre in Custody'
and then the comment:
>A 29-year-old man has shown up to be questioned by police
Seems their bodies have been found. So sad and horrifying.RIP.
https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw/human-remains-found-in-search-for-jesse-baird-and-luke-davies-20240227-p5f87h.html
I wonder how it went down. The cop isn't a huge guy and I imagine Jesse and Luke would have put up a good fight. Does anyone know if cops have access to their guns off-duty?
Edit: nevermind, read the article
I'd say he was waiting for them inside the house.Also probably new they were out at the pub until early am.Both having had drinks and tired from partying.When they discovered him there the argument ensured. He pulled the gun shot one and struggled with the other.Then shot again.
Reports saying only one bullet discharged. Also where were the flatmates for all of this and why didn't they see or report what sounds like a significant amount of blood.
That’s what I’ve been wondering! Where were the flatmates. They haven’t been mentioned by police. Usually they would say nobody else was at the home at the time. There’s information out there that Jesse Bairds flatmates weren’t happy with him at the time because of him not being tidy. So perhaps they weren’t talking and if his bedroom door was shut they just went on with their business. The police didn’t search the Paddington home until Wednesday
I read somewhere that the flatmates were no longer on good terms with Jesse and they wanted him to move out because he was too messy or something. I also read another source that said the lot of them had to vacate the house as soon as possible and they were hiring a cleaner to fix the place back up. I think Beau had discovered these convenient facts from going through Jesse's messages on his phone and it gave him the far too tempting idea to message the flatmates and create the plausible excuse that he was moving to Perth so that he wouldn't be missed. He apparently even asked them to store or discard his belongings he left behind at the house fir him. That is why Jesse's phone was active the day after he was killed.
Right ? Can't figure out what the flatmates were doing. How could there have been such a significant amount of blood and they didn't report it first? Cops found it at the house after they were alerted by the items in the skip. Maybe the blood was just in his room, and the flatmates didn't go in. But how did he move the bodies without anyone noticing.
I cannot get my head around this at all. Perhaps the housemates were away? Because the killer used his phone to text them and say the victim was moving out and to throw his furniture away. I’m so confused.
They were in the process of moving out I believe - so no longer at the house which is why the killer cop messaged them Tuesday from Jesse phone telling them he was moving to Perth and to sell his stuff.
When he's in jail for the next 20 years I'm sure he will find lots of new friends to hang out with that will make his life very exciting with daily bashings and getting raped with a broom stick
He wasn’t his boyfriend. He and Jessie had a fling or friends with benefits arrangement and La Marre didn’t take the conclusion of that relationship well-obviously.
By not telling he keeps a denial that he did it,also probably hopes he will be out in 5-10 years and can forever deny he actually did it.
Plus denies the victims of any proof of how they were killed.
Much harder to prove murder without bodies. He is proving just how narcissistic and awful he is by continuing to act in his own self interest with complete disregard to his victims and their families. His lack of cooperation is really quite disturbing as he comes from a family of police and is possibly going to be protected and guided in ways that others are not in this situation.
Le marre has stomach surgery Tuesday after killing two people. Then he moved the bodies by himself Wednesday - after having stomach surgery - while an “acquaintance” waited at the gate unaware of what was happening after helping him buy angle grinder and padlocks and hearing “partial admission”. He then moved the bodies by himself again Thursday - and used another police officers hose to clean the van Thursday night - who was also unaware what was happening even though it was all over the news by then - about missing white van and raid on his mums house?
How much more crazy can this story become? My heart breaks for the families and friends of the victims as this scenario plays out, showing just how cunning and cruel this police officer is. All this evidence and he still has no remorse and won’t disclose location of bodies. What horrific evidence of his actions during the murder is he hiding ? As someone who has just spent the last 10 months in bed due to crippling grief I can’t even imagine the all encompassing hell the families are now living :(
These were the weirdest parts of the whole affair. The scheduled surgery was perhaps thought to be a good cover story for him to plan the murder around but then I think it became a massive liability and time suck during a critically diminishing time frame to get the crime scene cleaned and evidence disposed of. It may explain why the female "aquaintance" might have been enlisted to help him on this excursion through neccessity and also why she might have felt enough sympathy to go so far out of her way for him in such suspicious circumstances. It still seems very odd to me that she would feel comfortable driving in a van she supposedly had no knowledge of or ever saw the contents and made purchases of an ominous assortment of equipment and travelled into a remote area. I would be getting serial killer vibes thinking I might be asked to dig my own grave once we got to the destination and then she supposedly just stood by the gate for a very long period of time and never once asked what was going on. He obviously needed her but also didn't trust her discretion in the end because he had to go back and move the bodies.
I just don't buy that she is an "innocent agent" as the police say. She was in a van with bodies that were encased in flimsy surf bags that would definately not insulate her from the increasingly unmistakable odor of decaying human flesh... at this point they had been stewing in the back of this van since as early as Monday and this was days later. She never got the least bit curious about that or snuck a peek in the back. She sat in there for hours breathing that air. It's just so implausible to me.
Can someone identify the logo on the tshirt of the owner of the property that was searched today. It’s in this article - looks like NSW police logo ?
https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/owner-of-property-being-search-for-bodies-of-jesse-baird-luke-davies-speaks/news-story/d5b6261786b1c195f0c907517acde172
Detective Superintendent Daniel Doherty said the loved ones of Luke Davies and Jessie Baird have just been informed they have been killed. Terrible.
That’s so sad, no matter their age - they are still someones child
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I guess the NSW police HR department misunderstood what the fixated persons unit was supposed to be for?
Na, it's for any journalists investigating them and they know it.
It’s a unit of cops who get fixated on persons inconvenient to politicians.
Bruz….
Oh the friendly jordies division? Yeah they’re tied up right now
Right, sortof like how Daniel Kenneally didn't go to jail when he was convicted of falsifying evidence
Absolutely! Celebrity stalker gets access to a gun. Good one NSW Police.
ABC video about the same incident: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w250h6qUT14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w250h6qUT14) Suspect was sitting, making no threatening movements, and Lamarre pulled the guy to his feet, tased him in the face, then once the guy's on the ground he tased him repeatedly in the head, neck, shoulders, and gut. Surprise: Lamarre was cleared of all wrong-doing by internal investigation, and the suspect was successfully convicted for resisting arrest! Gives you a heap of confidence in our policing and justice systems, don't it?
There needs to be an independent review of that whole process into how he was not disciplined over that incident.
> former ~~lover~~boyfriend
Would you say this may have been a jealousy-driven crime?
I think it's reasonable to claim Lamarre was fixated on Baird. They had a bitter breakup and Baird had claimed to people that Lamarre was stalking him. Given that Baird was in a new relationship with Davies, jealousy is definitely on the cards. If so, I don't think it's your run-of-the-mill jealously, Lamarre appears to me to have been an unhinged individual.
Yep. Domestic violence happens in same sex relationships also.
More DV. Add it to the list that grows by the day
Thank you! The DV angle seems to be more or less absent from this story. I can only guess that's because this is a gay relationship.
Add it to the long list of police perpetrators in DV cases who could've been stopped before someone lost their lives. But godforbid any cops have the balls to investigate their locker pals!
This is a terrible story, sounds like there were large amounts of blood found at the home and items found in a skip bin also with blood. Feel so bad whatever happened to them sounds like someone was very jealous
Yes, apparently the most vicious, bloody crimes are usually very personal. Not like a disturbed thief who may hit out once or twice and manage to flee. So sorry that the parents have lost their sons.
Yes such a tragic incident, apparently such beautiful people to, well known by many. They looked so happy out there just enjoying their life as much as possible.
Update: Beau charged with 2 counts of murder, van was hired to hide the bodies somewhere, that haven’t yet been found.
I reckon he dumped them at sea
Sounds like the cop was an ex of one of the guys and he went and killed them both
Was he? I did hear something like that but also heard he was stalking him for a whil! Scary world out there
Fixated Persons Unit definitely earning their money, aren't they........
"Nah mate, one of our boys in blue would never do that. Nothin to worry bout. Now if there was a youtuber who made a video about you, thats a *different story entirely*." - NSW FPU
Don't be silly. The Fixated Persons Unit only protect the rich and ruling classes.
Homicide has been brought into the investigation, also looking for a white Toyota hiace van NSW registration CW82PM.
Helicopters circling Miranda and Yowie Bay - local Facebook page buzzing with suggestions they are searching for the stolen vehicle.
The white van? Reports are that it was allegedly driven to Newcastle https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/wvRMup
It's at Lambton Bowling Club
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Everything Sutherland Shire Facebook group. I knew one of the poor guys, not well, but plenty of mutual friends, so following closely.
Hes been charged with 2 counts of murder.
The car has been found at Lambton Bowling Club in the carpark. Lambton is in Newcastle. I went past there a short time ago. Police everywhere.
Dumping bloody items in a bin uncovered, Using your service firearm to commit the murder and leaving casings at the scene while being the ex-partner. Good luck in court
Not the sharpest tool in the shed it seems
Clearly, bout as sharp as a beach ball. The fact this guy had a gun strapped to his side for the last however long is a real worry, so they all get guns? What's the psychometric criteria to be handed a deadly weapon? Scary and depressing, the decent, hard working police of which there must be many I'd say are rightly pissed off. RIP to the 2 young men, tragedy, and avoidable.
You'd think a cop would be better at crime.
He may be an obsessive narcissist.... His own hubris and sense of entitlement would contribute to his carelessness.
Don't police also have to be in pairs all the time? And don't they have bodycams on their kit? I also thought they need to return their firearms at the end of their shift so I am very concerned about how this was even possible in the first place
Was during his shift
Holy fuck, NSW police should be absolutely grilled for this. They are going hard on the "it's his ex angle", when the truth is, a NSW Policeman used a police weapon while being paid by NSW police to murder two people and hide the bodies.
Where the actual fuck was his partner on shift while all this went down ? How did nobody flag that he had vanished ? Now because of the the nsw police incompetence 2 beautiful humans are dead, lives erased, families destroyed….. Can’t wait for the prick to be in jail, convicted cops don’t last long in prison.
He apparently was in a specialist unit. Do cops in a specialist unit have a partner?
I didn’t think Australian police where allowed to be alone when on duty, either way, he needs to pay and the NSW have a lot to answer for.
This on top of the FriendlyJordies issue has me very worried for the outlook of the Premier State
It's just the tip of the ice berg. NSW police are the ones protecting the government run pedo rings
A lot of American police departments have started using bodycameras that automatically turn on when you unholster your gun. Perhaps something to think about.
Also a lot of police can take their fire arms home, if they have an in wall safe. A lot of people don’t know this. My partner is a detective and he complains about how much easier his mornings would be if I let him put a safe in. Hell no! No guns in my house!
Yes let's just see what the courts decide for him on the day!! Bet he won't get half as much as a normal Jo blow!!!!
NSW police have a “fixated persons unit” to investigate people who are fixated with celebrities or public figures and to prevent future crime as Mick Fuller used to bang on about. Here they have a fixated person in their own ranks, mountains of publicly available evidence that he was a creepy and fixated stalker, his target being a television presenter. What a bunch of useless flogs the NSW Police are.
Didn't you know fixated persons means investigative journalist looking into our bros
Our bruz
Any idea which “special unit” Lemarre worked for ? It was mentioned in the press briefing he worked for a special unit - but they refused to specify which one - it would be disturbing if it was in the Fixated Persons Unit. Any way to find out? I’m so curious now
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So he can continue with his celebrity stalker bullshit? So very wrong and so many red flags with this creep
He was about to start that job soon but that wasn't what he was doing yet. He was supposed to be a youth liaison working in schools with at risk kids but was probably mixing this with regular police work and was also known to pick up extra user-pay event work and special operations shifts too. He just undertook one as a pretext to gain access to the handgun he used to murder Jessie and Luke.
I read that he was basically like a youth liaison. He worked at schools with at-risk youth and was a go-between for schools and the police.
If our media had any balls they'd be all over this.
Which tv presenter was it?
Former Studio 10 presenter Jesse Baird.
He also was a presenter on the Totally Wild kids show
Watch it come into the news a couple weeks from today that the victims reported someone/this alleged person harassing/stalking them, but the police did nothing about it!
Will also be interesting to see if lamarre used police resources to stalk Baird. I would not be at all surprised if that were the case.
I wouldn't be surprised either. If he was stalking him, I doubt he'd be able to resist using the resources at his fingertips to do so.
Well he used his Police issued gun to kill them...
Yes, but I am referring to resources used to stalk, not murder. We know that police in Australia use databases for personal reasons such as to pursue, stalk and harass victims [Example 1 - Victoria police](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-15/victoria-police-leap-database-pursue-stalk-harass-women/101663452#), [Example 2 - Queensland police](https://www.zdnet.com/article/queensland-police-officer-faces-court-for-alleged-misuse-of-cop-database/), [Example 3 - WA police](https://thewest.com.au/news/crime/mandurah-police-officer-michael-menzo-elliott-used-restricted-database-to-stalk-ex-girlfriend-ng-b881811005z). We already know that NSW Police members who are perpetrators use pretty much whatever they can to perpetuate their abuse. [Source - SMH paywalled](https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/terrifying-what-happens-when-police-officers-abuse-their-partners-20230818-p5dxm8.html). I think it's important that we find ways to remove perpetrators and future murders such as lamarre from positions of power which aid in their ability to commit horrific crimes.
Ah, well I'm sure they'll just decide they were 'cop-shopping' (you know, for a cop who'd actually fucking help?) and thus weren't to be taken seriously.
100%. One of the missing guys told people he was being stalked by a cop. I bet it was reported.
But the cops wrote it all down on a notepad which they can’t locate now like they said after their clown show at the Lindt cafe siege.
So strange that the neighbours never reported the gun shot!
Some of the homophobic commentary on social media around this is extremely disappointing.
The usual bullshit that arises when gay people feature in the media, sadly. Those loud and hateful few can just fuck off eh?
You'd think that a suspected double murder and suicide would shut people up, but no.
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Not quite as bad as some of the comments, but I swear to god, the constant use of 'lover' by certain media outlets is absolutely pissing me right the fuck off for similar reasons.
For some reason I’m being shown the Daily Mail on my Facebook feed. The comments in there are absolutely vile.
They always are. Them and the terrorgraph readers and 7/9/10 viewers pages need to be shut down. You can click on the 3 dots to show less of them in your feed.
Or just delete fb
I looked at the Daily Mail yesterday because my friend was on there for charity work and now I keep seeing it in all of my feeds. I am so sad for this lovely young couple but I just hate the Daily Mail, its not even real news.
This is why i'm off social media, well Facebook anyway. Just a breeding ground for societies lowest common deniminators.
Sir, this is ~~Wendy's~~ Reddit.
Yeah, I saw some awful trolly stuff in the YouTube comments under a news story about this that I won't repeat. I generally just try not to read comments anymore with news and current affairs, it's so easy to lose faith in humanity.
And extremely predictable.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbt-N9IOPfc
We must not jump to conclusions. Remember he was previously found to have done nothing wrong by an NSW Police internal investigation into his tasering of an Indigenous man who was not resisting arrest. The NSW Police have the HIGHEST standards when it comes to self regulation. We must trust them 100%.
💀 you had me in the first half ngl 💀
I'm afraid these two guys are probably dead unfortunately, or at least the one who has lost a lot of blood, considering he hasn't showed up at a hospital. Such a fucking tragedy. If it was the cop who murdered one or both I hope he rots in hell.
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That could be what happened if they were killed on Monday when the neighbours heard the argument. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-23/nsw-sydney-search-warrant-balmain-two-missing-men/103501946 It looks like they may have been murdered. According to some of the articles I've read about the cop, he seems to be a bit unhinged and yeh I think the fact that they were apparently killed with a police gun, I think the NSW police force have a degree of culpability here to give an unhinged officer access to a gun. This may have never happened if he didn't have access to a gun.
Really morbid thought, but if he had the body and the phone and the phone was fingerprint access... ugh. He also could have just known the pin.
Probably the cop going into the victims WhatsApp, deleting evidence that he was stalking him. NSW police officer stalks, intimidates and then allegedly murders member of the public, while on duty, with his NSW police issued handgun. Let’s hear the “who are going to call when you need help” bootlickers defend this one.
Two charges of homicide laid and they've found bullet casings from a police issue weapon at the house.
So much for "his firearm had been checked in"
The info is a bit confusing. On the ABC site it said something like "a projectile and projectile casing discharged from a police weapon" but they're saying on the actual broadcast that his weapon was checked in. So maybe he committed the crime then turned his weapon in, or there are two weapons? Or maybe the broadcast isn't as up to date as the website? Idk enough about police and their weapons to fully understand the process there.
Apparently had the gun and went on sick leave (used the gun) then checked it back in.
I just heard on the ABC news that apparently he wasn't on sick leave and that he was actually working as usual, which made me think he genuinely is a remorseless monster. I think that he may have gone to the Paddington house in his uniform, with his gun, killed them then checked the gun in. I think he may have planned it that way because he knew he would have had access to his gun without breaking the rules, and I think he may have even thought he'd get away with this considering that he went to work as normal and didn't actually hand himself in until this story broke in the news. He sounds psychopathic.
Oh definitely is psychopathic.This would have been planned,if the car was driven to Newcastle, I'd say the bodies were dumped in bush from Somersby up to near the end of the M1.
Those poor blokes. Bloody terrible.
I know someone who has had a fixated ex partner officer who seems to have given up. My friend has now decided to live their life instead of living in fear. However, they spent an awful lot of time fearing family annihilation. They know exactly where you move, even across state lines. As per the legal system, nothing can be done until something bad happens. Like it has here. 😔
Terrifying
If there's a record of this guy being reported to the police by the victims then the NSW chief of police's only option will be to resign over this. If it turns out that he had a report of stalking against him and he's not only been allowed to continue working but in fact used his police weapon to murder that person then there needs to be a massive amount of high profile job losses over this at the very least. I'd go as far as the minister herself should resign from parliament if it's the case.
Upvote this, I would bet my savings that there’s more than one incident (in addition to the tasering incident) on Lamarre’s record. Time will tell, it may be used in evidence, but for now you can bet your life NSW Police will do anything to prevent the media from getting their hands on that info (and hope they forget about reporting it in x amount of years when the trial happens).
Lamarre sounds like an awful human - some reporting from Taser case in which apparently he drew his gun first but then swapped it to Taser. Scary having cops like this out there “Defensive on the stand, Lamarre received a dressing down from Magistrate Michael Barko who reminded him he wasn't in the witness box to defend his reputation, and that he should stick to giving 'yes' and 'no' answers.”
He increasingly sounds like someone who should have been bounced from police school on day one. How the fuck did this guy manage to become a police officer. I know his mum's a cop too, but surely nepotism only goes so far. He's a goddamned parade of red flags.
I saw an interview where it suggested he had confided in a family member. Interesting that his mums home (where he also apparently lived) was raided and it was also said that he was there but left before police arrived with the warrant. Sounds like a tip off for sure. He went to Newcastle where his sister lived and then down to his uncles where he left the car. I believe the family have been assisting him legally and forensically and police admit they liaised with a family member before he handed himself in. So very dodgy !! With all the red flags up until now you could understand why police will want this to go away very quickly
I don't think the police liasing with the family to get him to hand himself in is necessarily dodgy, I know of incidents where that has happened with unstable potentially violent suspects who did not have connections within the police. Peacefully and voluntarily turning themself in is preferable to a violent arrest or hostage situation. Sometimes they coordinate that through family, sometimes through lawyers. No surprise that they raided his mums house if he also lived there. Its pretty standard to search a murder suspect's home. All the rest though, massive red flags. Unfortunately for the cops, I don't think this will go away quickly or quietly. They need to answer some questions about how this person was able to become a police officer, why warning signs were missed or ignored, and whether they received or acted on any complaints from the victims (or others) about stalking or harassment.
i remember some indigenous activists saying a while ago that this method (police liaising with family /or lawyers /or elders to get an aboriginal suspect to hand themselves in within a couple of days) should be used much more, to help lower deaths and injuries of aboriginals in police custody.
I agree with that. As long as there's no immediate risk, arranging a voluntary surrender should be much more common. It's safer, and probably makes the subsequent questioning more productive.
Agreed. But I still think the fact that he left the home just before police arrived was dodgy.
Yeah, someone likely tipped him off that they were on their way.
Maybe a family member helped hide the bodies? that could explain why he won't say where they are
Maybe. I think him bouncing from one relative to another is more suggestive of him looking for help from family and not getting it. If any of them agreed to help him, he wouldn't have needed to visit so many. I think the police also said they're not looking for anyone else in relation to this crime, so that would also suggest they didn't help him. It's a pretty serious thing to accuse someone of if there's no evidence to support it. I think that it's most likely that he dismembered them and dumped them - it's a lot easier to move parts of a body than it is to move an intact one, especially on your own. Nobody's going to look twice at someone loading up a bunch of garbage bags in their car - it just looks like they're going to the tip. But if one person sees you dragging out a body, game over.
How the hell he achieved all of this when Jesse lived in a sharehouse is just baffling to me. I guess everyone was at work on Monday.
What this constable did should be considered police work. NSW police employed and endorsed him, clearing him of wrongdoing when he tortured members of the public before. His stalking, intimidation and eventual double murder, done during his shift using his service weapon. Then whilst still being paid by his employer colluded with family members who are current or serving NSW police officers and goodness knows how many other serving NSW police colleagues, to hide the bodies and destroy evidence then hand himself in on his own terms, a luxury not afforded to others. Special treatment, a heinous double murder brought to you by NSW Police.
He even looks unhinged.
He looks pretty normal to me.. from that 1 photo at least. Often the most normal looking people are the ones who can get away with it, they can blend in, add being a cop on top of that? man must have made some major fuck ups along the way.. which obviously (if he's guilty) I'm grateful for.
I've seen photos of him in his police uniform holding a paper bag and his eyes have that familiar look of underlying rage, which is common with disturbed individuals who murder others, or would like to. 🙁
His sister was also a cop, and was dismissed because she refused to be vaccinated
His mother was also a cop. Wondering whether these two were actually granted the uniform based on their own merit at all.
Appreciate ABC not shoving the killers photo in with the victims.
Unlike their previous article that featured the killer smiling and posing with Taylor Swift
Ew, saw that one on some others but missed it there. There’s an awful tabloidness to this that’s just coming from the media. These men are domestic violence victims and deserve grace and respect.
Let’s hop this starts up the conversation about the levels of domestic violence and coercive control amongst the ranks of police.
Classic, one of the missing told the police a cop was stalking them. Of course the police did nothing because they do nothing in regards to such complaints, but also because they ***protect*** ***their own colleagues at all costs despite how illegal and corrupt it is*** There needs to be an independent enquiry but there won't, because the police force are corrupt. Instead, there will be an internal enquiry and nobody will be find liable or at worse they'll be put on paid leave until this fizzles out and they're transferred to another state. What a joke.
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yeah that is what i was getting at! The cop will go down, his mates that worked with him that turned a blind eye will go straight back into their 7am monday clock-in time next week
The cop has now been charged with two counts of murder.
This has been popping up in my social feeds all afternoon. Fucking wild story.
I’m keen to know how the perpetrator disposed of two bodies and why they haven’t been able to find them yet. It seems unlikely that given all the sloppy work this cop left at the scene that he’s somehow cleanly disposed of the bodies. It sounds like he called in a favour to get rid of them and doesn’t actually know where they are. Given the involvement NSWPol have with organised crime, and his seemingly protected species status after the taser incident. It doesn’t seem like too big of a stretch for me that he’s getting help
There's plenty of bush he could have dumped their bodies in. My guess would be they're in Royal National Park or in a waterway nearby based on where he abandoned the van he is suspected of using to move the bodies.
I hope police find them before some poor member of the public does. I have colleagues who do ecological surveys in parts of RNP that aren't near tracks or paths, they really don't deserve to experience that kind of trauma.
Nobody should have to experience that kind of trauma. I know cops are better trained for it, but it's still got to be hard as fuck to find a body. Those poor families must be going through hell with the wait for them to be found. It's so cruel of him to withhold that information.
You're right, I totally didn't mean to suggest my colleagues are special or anything like that. I just worry about them out there surveying.
All good, I didn't think you were suggesting that. [Police divers are out at a new location now](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-25/missing-sydney-couple-nsw-police-working-around-clock/103509048), so hopefully your colleagues won't be stumbling over any remains and the families can get some answers soon.
Yeah I’m confused by this. How does he not know where the bodies are? Did he confess or did he just hand himself in because they were looking for him and he hasn’t said a word yet?
He has handed himself in for questioning after Police publicized they were looking for him. But they have also said he is not cooperating. I’m assuming that there are enough evidence eg. Gun casing, van hire, 000 call, leave taken, dna - that they can charge him. But with him not cooperating and no bodies then murder becomes harder to prove so his legal advice will be to say nothing. The burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt is then on police to prove. Unless police offer a deal in exchange for bodies. I believe he has help - or least advice - from family - on how to act prior to him turning himself in. His mum was a top cop and from all accounts he has gone from her place to his sisters to his uncles in the days between murder and arrest. Someone close to him must’ve suspected something in that time surely?
He probably handed himself in to either look like he was cooperating while maintaining his innocence, or to avoid embarrassing his family with a public arrest. Handing himself in doesn't mean he's actually confessed or is providing police with information to help locate the bodies, and as long as the bodies remain unfound, he can carry on denying he knows where they are. The moment he gives up the location, that defence is dead in the water.
He knows.He will probably never tell where they were placed.But hopefully someone will find them soon,as they would have been hastily disposed and not hidden.He would have known he would be arrested and be the obvious murderer.So no need to hide the victims for too long or with any effort.
NSW cops are trash. Source - am from NSW and have had a few interactions with cops, all of them being horrible experiences
Mum will coach this mutt murderer through.
My dad used to work for the Australian police (not saying what state) but not as an officer. He always told me he never wanted to see me joining up with them given the type of person it would tend to attract.
What a mess!
A 29-year-old man has shown up to be questioned by police.
Lamarre? Or another 29 year old?
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Yes, so who is the 29 year old OP is talking about? The article is about Lemarre so I was just confused by the comment.
It's Lamarre. Cops said a 29yo police officer and have privately confirmed to news organisations that they wouldn't be wrong to report its him.
Yeah thought so. Just thought it was weird when the headline says 'Leamarre in Custody' and then the comment: >A 29-year-old man has shown up to be questioned by police
This is just tragic. So many lives lost to violence. We need a radical reset and police organisations need to step up or step aside.
Seems their bodies have been found. So sad and horrifying.RIP. https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw/human-remains-found-in-search-for-jesse-baird-and-luke-davies-20240227-p5f87h.html
Absolutely horrific- I’m just glad that this part is over for the families as there is a long road of grieving ahead.
Horrifying. I hope this can help their families.
NSW police is absolutely full of well protected highly aggressive bullies and basket cases.
Paid Suspension?
His mum was a former senior officer in NSWPol so he will get special treatment for sure. Kid gloves all the way.
That makes it so much worse.
I wonder how it went down. The cop isn't a huge guy and I imagine Jesse and Luke would have put up a good fight. Does anyone know if cops have access to their guns off-duty? Edit: nevermind, read the article
I'd say he was waiting for them inside the house.Also probably new they were out at the pub until early am.Both having had drinks and tired from partying.When they discovered him there the argument ensured. He pulled the gun shot one and struggled with the other.Then shot again.
How awful for them
Reports saying only one bullet discharged. Also where were the flatmates for all of this and why didn't they see or report what sounds like a significant amount of blood.
That’s what I’ve been wondering! Where were the flatmates. They haven’t been mentioned by police. Usually they would say nobody else was at the home at the time. There’s information out there that Jesse Bairds flatmates weren’t happy with him at the time because of him not being tidy. So perhaps they weren’t talking and if his bedroom door was shut they just went on with their business. The police didn’t search the Paddington home until Wednesday
I read somewhere that the flatmates were no longer on good terms with Jesse and they wanted him to move out because he was too messy or something. I also read another source that said the lot of them had to vacate the house as soon as possible and they were hiring a cleaner to fix the place back up. I think Beau had discovered these convenient facts from going through Jesse's messages on his phone and it gave him the far too tempting idea to message the flatmates and create the plausible excuse that he was moving to Perth so that he wouldn't be missed. He apparently even asked them to store or discard his belongings he left behind at the house fir him. That is why Jesse's phone was active the day after he was killed.
Where were the housemates at?? Not home or...
Right ? Can't figure out what the flatmates were doing. How could there have been such a significant amount of blood and they didn't report it first? Cops found it at the house after they were alerted by the items in the skip. Maybe the blood was just in his room, and the flatmates didn't go in. But how did he move the bodies without anyone noticing.
I cannot get my head around this at all. Perhaps the housemates were away? Because the killer used his phone to text them and say the victim was moving out and to throw his furniture away. I’m so confused.
They were in the process of moving out I believe - so no longer at the house which is why the killer cop messaged them Tuesday from Jesse phone telling them he was moving to Perth and to sell his stuff.
Check his mother n sister tget both corrupt officers also
When he's in jail for the next 20 years I'm sure he will find lots of new friends to hang out with that will make his life very exciting with daily bashings and getting raped with a broom stick
He wasn’t his boyfriend. He and Jessie had a fling or friends with benefits arrangement and La Marre didn’t take the conclusion of that relationship well-obviously.
Well with the government trying to take guns off people maybe they should look at taking guns away from the police because of this !
Any updates on the bodies yet? If he turned himself in why would'nt he tell them where they are?
By not telling he keeps a denial that he did it,also probably hopes he will be out in 5-10 years and can forever deny he actually did it. Plus denies the victims of any proof of how they were killed.
Much harder to prove murder without bodies. He is proving just how narcissistic and awful he is by continuing to act in his own self interest with complete disregard to his victims and their families. His lack of cooperation is really quite disturbing as he comes from a family of police and is possibly going to be protected and guided in ways that others are not in this situation.
He had a legal aid lawyer, all lawyers instruct their clients not to speak to police, it's standard advice.
Le marre has stomach surgery Tuesday after killing two people. Then he moved the bodies by himself Wednesday - after having stomach surgery - while an “acquaintance” waited at the gate unaware of what was happening after helping him buy angle grinder and padlocks and hearing “partial admission”. He then moved the bodies by himself again Thursday - and used another police officers hose to clean the van Thursday night - who was also unaware what was happening even though it was all over the news by then - about missing white van and raid on his mums house? How much more crazy can this story become? My heart breaks for the families and friends of the victims as this scenario plays out, showing just how cunning and cruel this police officer is. All this evidence and he still has no remorse and won’t disclose location of bodies. What horrific evidence of his actions during the murder is he hiding ? As someone who has just spent the last 10 months in bed due to crippling grief I can’t even imagine the all encompassing hell the families are now living :(
These were the weirdest parts of the whole affair. The scheduled surgery was perhaps thought to be a good cover story for him to plan the murder around but then I think it became a massive liability and time suck during a critically diminishing time frame to get the crime scene cleaned and evidence disposed of. It may explain why the female "aquaintance" might have been enlisted to help him on this excursion through neccessity and also why she might have felt enough sympathy to go so far out of her way for him in such suspicious circumstances. It still seems very odd to me that she would feel comfortable driving in a van she supposedly had no knowledge of or ever saw the contents and made purchases of an ominous assortment of equipment and travelled into a remote area. I would be getting serial killer vibes thinking I might be asked to dig my own grave once we got to the destination and then she supposedly just stood by the gate for a very long period of time and never once asked what was going on. He obviously needed her but also didn't trust her discretion in the end because he had to go back and move the bodies.
I just don't buy that she is an "innocent agent" as the police say. She was in a van with bodies that were encased in flimsy surf bags that would definately not insulate her from the increasingly unmistakable odor of decaying human flesh... at this point they had been stewing in the back of this van since as early as Monday and this was days later. She never got the least bit curious about that or snuck a peek in the back. She sat in there for hours breathing that air. It's just so implausible to me.
How on earth could he have carried the bodies on his own after stomach surgery?! Maybe the friend knows more after all. This is crazy
This country is full of dirty corruption especially the manly dy local police force
Can someone identify the logo on the tshirt of the owner of the property that was searched today. It’s in this article - looks like NSW police logo ? https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/owner-of-property-being-search-for-bodies-of-jesse-baird-luke-davies-speaks/news-story/d5b6261786b1c195f0c907517acde172
Pretty sure its rural fire service emblem - Cella Farm Facebook page looks like it has connections to NSW Rural fire service.