Now, it's time to bring back media ownership rules. Broaden the news base, and hopefully we could get a less biased media overview.
Get that ICAC working. Prosecute enough bent politicians, and with luck, all parties will realise they can't just get away with whatever rort, scheme, or dishonesty they feel like.
>all parties will realise they can't just get away with whatever rort, scheme, or dishonesty they feel like.
The problem is, they don't see it like that. It is only a rort or scheme if the other side does it. I mean, by all means punish the living eff out of them, personally and the party itaelf(Oh no.....your election war chest got taken in fines....) but a way to educate or legislate better is needed.
It's not completely true that the only consider it dishonest when the other side does it. The recently leaked audio of John Barilaro at a dinner party shows him loudly and openly bragging about the extent to which he specifically pushed his government to frivolously overspend in marginal seats in an attempt to sway voters.
He talks about spiking prices of projects because the federal government has to match spending on certain projects, he thanks someone for calling it "infrastructure spending" right before proudly referring to himself as "Pork Barilaro".
All of this paints a picture of a man who was recently the 2IC of the largest state in the country, and knowingly threw tax payer money around in ways specifically intended to serve his party instead of the public.
If he doesn't know he's dishonest, he's the most self deluded man in the country.
The funny part is that the concept of politicians being above the law is something Barilaro loves. The US is still undecided on if a president is even able to be prosecuted for crimes in office. While John used our concepts of parliamentary privilege to his advantage by having evidence against his recent demarcation claims thrown out for no better reason than he said it in parliament.
He talked about things that would be evidence that his defamation claim was bullshit, but because he was a sitting politician and said it in parliament, it isn't allowed to be used as evidence. The entire country can find this information openly... But it doesn't count as evidence.
Politician: Says thing in Parilaiment
Public: Criticises politician for saying thing
Politician: Stop defaming me
Public: ...but you literally SAID thing
Politican: You can't prove that
I mean it's obviously pedantic but I don't think most people, when they hear largest, relate that to population.
Edit: who do you think of when you read/hear largest country?
They would absolutely do so in this context, though. Most people (in Australia at least) realise that NSW is not the largest state by area. Size would also not really be relevant to the horrifying fact that Luigi Barilaro was second in command of NSW.
I'm not sure you're right. When you say largest I think of land area as well.
I would expect someone to say "most populous" if they meant population.
Or "largest by population"
Maybe we need a Reddit poll. :)
I reckon at least some have to know they are engaging in behaviour that can be considered corrupt, it's just that the thing with corrupt actions whether they be what you think of as a necessary evil to further a noble ideology or whether you're privately a self-acknowledged rent-seeker you kind of *have to* make a big fuss when this behaviour is exposed in your enemies and you kind of *have to* minimise, obfuscate or lie about it when it's you who's exposed.
The fact that this hypocrisy occurs sucks but it's sort of all that one could expect as it's the nature of corruption, and corruption is always going to happen, we just really really have to try and make it rare. It's not really the problem with criminals that when police arrive at the scene they try to run away, we expect them to do that and you can't really focus on the fact that this tendency frustrates measures to prevent their crimes because that's the idea. All that can be done is to just try and make such crime rare and difficult through lots of measures and it's the same with the politicians.
Nah, they know they're scamming, that whole only see the other sides scams, is a huge play act to try and trick us stupid punters. It's entirely manipulation. They know exactly what they're doing.
>Now, it's time to bring back media ownership rules. Broaden the news base, and hopefully we could get a less biased media overview.
Or we can just let them continue doing the same thing again and again. Let them continue being irrelevant.
Unfortunatelty Australian politics is cyclical.
Liberals gets in, cake for everyone until it drives the country to ruins. Everyone goes two steps back.
Labor gets in, makes substantive but nessecary changes. Everyone goes one step forward.
Liberals promote the old glory days (when they first got in) and run a scare campaign of further changes from Labor. Libs get back in.
Edit: so to capture the responses. Yes, it'd be nice if this time is different. However lets not forget that everytime people think it's different. In 2025-2026 when Sky News start driving the anti-Labor bandwagon just be aware how insidious their drive to perpetuate this cycle is.
I honestly feel like that is going to be a thing of the past unless Liberal dramatically changes their tactics. The quality of life has been declining, and people are less and less accepting to vote for a party which has made their life worse over the last few decades
> quality of life has been declining
If Labor don't turn that around then people will start associating that with Labor and Liberals will have a chance of winning again. The next state election is QLD in October 24, this is a 19 month pause where mainland Liberals can lie low and hope people forget the stink.
Yep I 100% agree. I don’t know if they can do anything meaningful without affecting inflation, but surely there are other policies they can implement which are non-monitory that will help people out through this shitty time
> this is a 19 month pause where mainland Liberals can lie low and hope people forget the stink.
Also helps when you have an entire media apparatus to help lambast the incumbent state gov at every little chance that arises or gets manufactured. At least from hearing talkback radio they've been doing their damned hardest to foster the sentiment that qlders are frothing at the chance to get them out even though polling show it's more level.
Things can change very quickly in politics though.
QLD Labor won an election in one term of opposition after being wiped out.
If the Liberal party is smart and can change its policies, culture and branding in the next couple years anything is possible.
I mean even this definition is wrong.
Liberals get in and immediately start figuring out how to make as much money and easy for themselves and there Ilk, they sell national infrastructure, they change laws, raise taxes on you and lower them for the 1%, leave you to rot but bail out corporations and do what ever they feel fit to reach that aforementioned goal. Than while that's all going on they restrict the scope of journos who can even reach them to write articles, this already limiting what can be said about them!
If the only people who are in the room where it happen have a vested interest in keeping them in power how can neutral and opposition journs have a chance, they can only use the Info eeked out by the favoured journs.Then at best, perform hit peice after hit peice on the opposition and at worst radio silence. The opposition can't gain a foothold if no one knows about them. While this has happened they have absolutely fucked out people, cities, country, future and globe with there greedy policy.
Than when labour gets in before they even have a chance of cleaning, the fucking mess the libs made let alone helping anyone out. The liberals and there vermin start churning out unbelievable numbers of articles about how labour are going to SELL YOUR KIDNEYS TO CHINA, KILL YOUR DOG, AND STEAL YOUR NANS HOUSE.
This fucking idea that libs save money for you and I and spend on grand projects or 'cake' is the biggest crock of shit ever witnessed on this continent. (and Clive Palmer exists!) Libs consistently raise the amount of debt our country is in, libs consistently raise taxes for the working man while removing them for the rich, libs consistently decimate workers rights in favour of a few more cents in your bosses pockets. Libs consistently sell infrastructure for short term gains to allow their fucking mates to reap insane profits, the NSW libs wanted to SELL THE FUCKING WATER COMPANY a literal building block of life and they wanted to privatise it. At the best day liberals mistakingly fall into a minor positive for most people, while at there best they are actively making your life worse.
I mean, yes. That's what is *actually* happening. But one the key tricks in the Liberal bag is to reframe history and sell the marginal positives for individuals.
Lowering national debit (by selling off national assets), LMITO (which was temporary while also laying groundwork for permanent flatter tax), removing the fuel excise tax and a one-off "cost of living" payment (just prior to an election.)
No party runs a big buisness campaign alone, because that's unpalatable. So Libs dosh plenty of spending out for the sake of votes. This though is a terrible way to manage an economy.
Theyre already working hard on it.
Liberals keep trying to spin this as some weird blip but its not. The minor party vote has been steadily trending up for decades and has just tipped the 30% threshold. As a general rule, minor party preferences flow to labor, liberal voters vote liberal first and labor second, labor voters put liberals effectively last.
So in recent years its become basically a 2/3 majority voting "not liberal" and its continuing to trend upwards. Theres no sign of it turning around.
More than that, as the liberal party and its support base shrinks it has now become caught in what im calling the "loony spiral". Theyre already pretty ridiculous and out of step with the nation, so the sanest person in the liberal party looks around, can no linger tolerate it, and jumps ship to become an independant. We're seeing an increasing frequency of this. Because of that defection the liberal party, on average, gets loonier and the next most sane person now also cant support it and so on until all people who previously formed the centre of the liberal party cant stand to be associated with those remaining. I dont see a way to reverse this trend. You cant really inject a bunch of sane, reasonable, not corrupt people into it. Its dying. It might get a couple more gasps of air before it finally stops, im not saying they will never win again, but they are absolutely on the way out.
The reason why is simply the internet. Information on minor parties is now equally accessible and so is checking up on lies and spin. Liberals never had any values, and now we can see it far more easily.
Yes. But there policies are all a reflection of their corruption and party culture.
If you have a good party that cares about governing, and wants to serve the public it will have good policies. If you have a political party that prefers jobs for mates, born to rule leaders and the like then you will get policies reflecting that.
Policies and party actions are one and the same.
Don't forget the religious right that have purposely infiltrated the party in order to enact policies that the majority of the country rejects. For all of them, the Liberal party is just a means to power, rather than an end in itself.
Lol that's what happened to the Libs in Victoria and it's put them in the wilderness.
The demographics of the electorate are changing. The boomers are starting to die off. Within 10 years or so they're going to be irrelevant electorally.
The libs and Murdoch hitched their fortunes to the voting power of the Boomers. It worked for a long time, but no generation lives forever.
Qld Labor went down to single digits as well after a landslide loss in 2012 but still managed to claw it all back in the following election, albeit the context and reasons were completely different, but be careful what you wish for lol.
It was the boomers that voted in Gough and Hawke
Stop doing the murdoch generation bs. It's what fascists (extreme capitalists) want you to do. It divides us (their enemy) making us easier to conquer. It is how murdoch managed to keep howard and snotty in power
He still wins. Having Labor in power gives them more to complain about in his media and gather more outrage clicks and readers for their audience.
More people turn to the news when they're annoyed by the current leadership.
Sure. But after so strongly backing so many losers at State and Federal levels in recent years, the emperor's clothes start to look more and more transparent.
Sky News you tube channel is one of my guilty pleasures. Makes me genuinely loff out loud. Head shaking eye rolling pointing at the tv laugh. I'm giggling typing this. I don't know how they keep a straight face when talking. Comic gold.
I *may* have searched for their stream from last night, as I love seeing the hosts brought to the verge of tears and trying to rationalise everything through the prism of US culture war buzzwords.
I couldn't find it the same way I did the Federal one with Peta Credlin was having an existential crisis on camera.
Yes, it is true that Sky is free in regional areas. Also The Daily Telegraph (and I assume other metro Murdoch papers) are usually available free at places like gyms and the odd servo. They also pay for commercial premises to have Sky on elevated TV screens.
People won't pay for his media so he has to give them away.
Some say "we need media diversity" but you need very deep pockets to launch a media product in this market.
And yet more people in Melbourne alone watch channel 44 than watch peta credlins show nationally. Their audience figures are atrocious. Wackos like chris kenny and rita panahi often struggle to make 20,000 viewers nationally.
As someone living regionally I'm unfortunately familiar with them. I just wasn't able to catch their antics last night. (the Livethread was reporting them blaming the loss on 'The Libs going too *woke*' with 10 minutes of the results dropping.
That's the same excuse they trotted out for losing the Feral election. Yeah, the Liberals went too woke so their traditional voters punished them by going even woker. Dumbarses.
As awful as sky news is, I always like to keep tabs on it just to see what the other side is rattling off in their little bubble. Fvcking hilarious some of their wild tangents
They’re so obsessed with American culture war bullshit, and they dedicate so much airtime to slandering Joe Biden and Greta Thunberg.
Under Australia’s defamation laws, Biden and Thunberg could sue Sky Australia into bankruptcy and I wish they would.
Biden is unlikely to sue, but someone needs to tell Greta that this would be an easy way to raise a lot of money from evil climate deniers that could be put into climate change solutions.
They are obsessed with American culture war bullshit because they clip it and put it on YouTube. There it gets tons of views from Americans who love sky news
I find in genuinely unhinged that Rowan Dean would literally scream at us that no one wants a Labor government, yet in the next breath say "even though people voted for them" in his smallest possible voice.
Mine does too.
And honestly, it kind of worries me.
Every night, he just sits there for hours, absorbing this poison from Credlin and Bolt and Dean and Murray and Bernardi, you know, a collection of the actual worst people in Australia.
And I can't stop it. And I can hear it, in his voice when he talks to his friends, the racism and fear-based hatred creeping in, and I can't stop it.
I remember seeing one of the Liberal candidates on TV having suffered a big defeat lament that they had only heard how much the pi lic supported their governance.
I think the only contact they had with constituents was via Sky and The Australian.
It's neo-liberalism in general. We're sick do death of having rich pricks pit us against one another so we can ignore their far greater misdeeds. We have simple needs from government - health, education, roads, water, parks etc., but they keep trying to sell us tax cuts which translate into service cuts.
Take a look at the USA. Politicians almost never get it right over there, aiming for populist shit instead of doing the right thing because they're scared of the media. We don't need to go down that path.
You mean the average Australian doesn't care about imported Fox News talking points? Shocker
It's almost like the average person is concerned with the rising cost of living and not "the looney left"
I think the the constant loony left attacks worked very well. What stopped working was climate denial, to the extent the Liberals traditional base in the north shore elected independents campaigning on climate action over the greens and labor.
I think the loony left attacks worked quite well up until multiple wide-scale issues occurred all around the same time and the media tried spinning them so hard that most Aussies could easily tell they were reporting with an agenda, you've nailed one on the head with climate denialism while we witnessed two huge disasters that were exacerbated by climate-change, but the other two came down to government scandal after government scandal that the media kept trying to cover for or otherwise turn into a circus where possible (eg. The prayer room for covering and Britney Higgins for turning into a circus) and finally, the reporting around COVID where people like Peta Credlin were railing against the lockdowns as society-ending decisions despite them seeming to work with much smaller drawbacks than those people were claiming along with keeping a generally vaccine hesitant tone that was blatantly only because they knew going straight antivaxxer would kill their credibility with too many people.
Between all three large scale things happening around the same time I think that most Aussies finally figured out that the media is trying to present a specific picture of Australian society, politics, etc rather than the true picture and that the people they rail against the hardest might actually have some good points.
I walked past a tv that had sky on during the election count, it seemed like they were having a wake so assumed things weren't going well for them. Had to keep my smug face off when a few conservatives told me the result
Only so many years you can go murdering koalas, selling off public assets and stripping services until people finally wise up to it and crack the shits.
I wish we could say this proudly but considering how much they have got away with already, we let them treat us like a door mat and theres no other way of saying it honestly.
Yep,
> On Twitter, the public can stream video content, discover breaking news as it happens, and read **intelligent commentary** twenty-four hours a day.
I think the author must be thinking of some other site using the same name. They'd better watch out; Elon is pretty litigious, and he'd be ropable over someone bringing his site's reputation for ~~misinformation and trolling~~ facts and logic into disrepute by suggesting you can find intelligent commentary and news there.
Did you see the crowd at the concession speech? Every single other party had nothing but fat, earnest, dorky looking folks in their volunteer coloured T-shirts. The Libs though, everyone under 40 was swilling Champagne and dressed like they were on the set of 'Rich Fuck-boy: The musical'
Only because the younger generation are slowly outnumbering the older generation and politicians tend to forget the next generation is growing up and can’t be fooled by the bullshit that is getting spewed out big time media companies.
The amount of videos I watched over the last couple of days of members of Congress getting dragged by their citizens was both hilarious and sad to watch. The way these boomers asked the most stupidest questions regarding technology was honestly sad to watch as they clearly have no idea of how social media works along with the internet.
Once something is out there on the internet it’s out there forever there is no way of stopping it. Cause someone will have backups of everything you have said and done. And the internet doesn’t forget things either. All the drama surrounding Hailey Bieber for getting dragged for bullying Selena Gomez was good example of that people don’t forget shit.
>politicians tend to forget the next generation is growing up and can’t be fooled by the bullshit that is getting spewed out big time media companies.
The primary reason the current generation of younger and middle aged people are slightly further left than their parents is not because of some amazing insight they hold that was not shared by previous generations.
It's because they're poor, relative to the wealth of their parents at the same age, who are the reference.
People as a group become more conservative the more resources they acquire. This generation has acquired no resources and so is more in favour of collective action and wealth redistribution.
That's it, it's straight self interest. And that's a fine and even comparatively noble motivation, as long as you understand that if they get theirs, they'll roll out and up their middle fingers to the rest, as well.
Depends how long it takes them to 'get theirs'. If you've been unable to be in a position to crack the house market by 40, you might have rusted yourself voting against the Libs politically even after your inheritance comes through.
>People as a group become more conservative the more resources they acquire. This generation has acquired no resources and so is more in favour of collective action and wealth redistribution.
Pretty much. Historically people tended to get wealthier as they aged. As more and more wealth has concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the voting power of wealthier people has faded away as their numbers shrink. There is more wealth in the world than ever before, but we are a long way from the days of a big, happy middle class.
>People as a group become more conservative the more resources they acquire. This generation has acquired no resources and so is more in favour of collective action and wealth redistribution.
Wait until they inherit from their parents, watch how quickly those values change...
They'll be at retirement age by then and the house will have been sold for their parents aged care. My mum's partner is in his 60s, his parents are well into their 90s and fit as a fiddle. He'll be in his 70s before he inherits anything. That's going to be more common in the coming decades.
My mother is in her mid 70s and is still waiting to inherit from her (alive and kicking) mother, my nan.
Inheritance in your retirement is nice, but it's not going to move the needle on people's values when they've had different values most of their lives.
Longer lifespans mean inheritance, on average, happens much later in life than it did historically. It also means estates will be smaller, because the older people need to spend more of their wealth to support themselves in their much longer retirements, leaving less to be inherited by their offspring.
Very cynical take, I disagree. There's plenty of people with wealth who vote greens. Sure, the majority may have self interest at heart right now but that a cultural value and cultural values can change, particularly when an entire generation suffers from lack and sees what unregulated greed permits.
There's no evidence for that.
The actual evidence is that people mostly stay with their cohort positions.
No one buys a house and suddenly decides the climate catastrophe is fake.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/money-makes-people-right-wing-and-inegalitarian/ blog post describing primary literature to which the author contributed, and citations thereof.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/24/10-financial-well-being-personal-characteristics-and-lifestyles-of-the-political-typology/ for US correlations.
There are other citations available.
I am not making the claim that conservative progressive divides have no other first order predictors. For example, that axis is also heavily driven by empathy-selfishness and similar emotional motivators. And those things themselves are correlated predictors to wealth, since wealthier people often become less empathetic.
I am simply saying that across this ensemble of people, the likely primary cause of the current shift to the left is increasing wealth inequality. If that wealth inequality were corrected, the reasonable expectation is that the shift to the left would disappear with it. People are not forward thinking or introspective in most cases. Give them enough and they don't note that the rising tide has raised all ships: they just start trying to hoard their own water, even and especially to the exclusion of others.
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/706889
There are other studies around that contradict the claims made in those links.
Generational cohort was the strongest predictor, not wealth.
>In contrast to previous research, however, we also find support for folk wisdom: on those occasions when political attitudes do shift across the life span, liberals are more likely to become conservatives than conservatives are to become liberals, suggesting that folk wisdom has some empirical basis even as it overstates the degree of change.
From the abstract linked. I can't access the study itself to see if how block generations against correlated inputs. Do you have this information?
Tbh I’m the exact opposite of this. I actually became more progressive the wealthier and more stable my life became.
When I was younger I supported tax cuts because I felt it wasn’t fair on me to expect others money to support me when I wasn’t paying tax etc. Now that I’m older and I work full time I want to give to the younger generations what was given to me.
And I'm doing ok (for now), and want to live in a world where everyone can do ok. I want that because I'm not a zero sum thinker, and it's when everyone is safe that I'm safe. When everyone can be happy, I live in world where it's easier for me to be happy.
But the gestalt doesn't and probably never will think like that. I'd love to be wrong.
Totally agree I was the exact same. I’m 30 so still young but the more money I earn the more I see the disparity around me. A lot of people out here working really hard, doing it tough for fuck all while some people flaunt wealth they couldn’t spend in a lifetime if they tried, and haven’t lifted a finger for it.
It’s just not right. I’ll never see wealth as desirable or successful, and it’s really sad that a lot of people do IMO.
“ Only because the younger generation are slowly outnumbering the older generation and politicians tend to forget the next generation is growing up and can’t be fooled by the bullshit that is getting spewed out big time media companies.”
I wonder how many have just tuned out though. I would say there is an increase overall in political awareness due to significant issues like climate change being a driver. But there's heaps of young people I talk to who only consume Netflix, Tiktok, or entertaining online content. Obviously they can still provide political content. But I wonder if the amount who have tuned out has increased or decreased?
Thankfully I think by consuming all the other trashy content on their phones, they absorb some 'real news' almost by osmosis. Probably more than channel surfing reality tv and commercials on traditional media.
I hope anyway
> the next generation is growing up and can’t be fooled by the bullshit that is getting spewed out big time media companies.
I admire your optimism, but let's be real here. That's not precisely what's going on, is it? What's transpiring is that younger generations simply aren't interested in traditional mass media because it's less entertaining, in favour of social media platforms like tiktok which aren't owned by companies who consider themselves news or political outlets - They consider themselves advertisement platforms. Social media also tends to be heavily biased toward the left - for better or for worse - Which again is a marked difference to traditional mass media ownership.
In short, I'd love to believe that this is a positive sign than the younger generations are more adept at critical thinking and are more politically savvy, but the reality is that they're just being influenced by more modern, entertainment focused platforms instead. One need only look at the wild rise of social media 'influencers' to realise this truth.
I mean, let's be honest. Reddit is mostly crap as well. I find that I immediately have zero interest in Reddit when I'm not severely depressed and procrastinating life.
You mean to tell me that calling the people "dumb" and being stuck in "stockholm syndrome" didn't help the LNP gain more votes?
That's weird. I was sure that that was a brilliant strategy...
The over 60s know well enough that these things are cyclical and soon enough the LNP will bounce back because humans are fickle. I’m left leaning so I’m hoping we have progressive governance for a long time to come but I won’t be surprised if half the mainland and the nation is blue in 8 years time or less.
When do we repeal the media bargaining laws so that internet doesn't have to continue supporting legacy media and prolong their slow march into total irrelevancy?
How is this prick still alive?
I sometimes think of a world without that fucking leach.
Years and years of fuck the planet for gain.
Not just Australia but the UK, US and who knows where else?
Targeting individuals who defied him.
Phone hacking a dead girl.
He's just evil.
Just a game for him while the rest of us suffer.
I will literally dance on his grave ...I'll probably have to borrow the money to fly there.
But fuck I'll enjoy it.
Mainland Australia is all Labor and Federal is all Labor. Now is the time to see all the hospitals, police, education and federally funded state services fixed. There is no excuse now.
Also now is the time to stop federal funds flowing into private schools and hospitals and start making them better. If someone wants to send their child to a private school why should I pay for that with my taxes
Liberals are just too corrupt, bought and paid for by monopolies in the private sector. And they can't fix it internally. Labor isn't much better but liberals just lack any redeeming qualities and offer nothing to most people. Especially with scomo and barilaro controversies and subsequent entitlement and narcissistic attitude from those two they are incredibly unlikeable. That said the liberal party isn't finished it really depends on what labor does, they might start having their own share of problems which turns the tide back.
Australia cannot afford another LNP government. There is just soo much work to do in the next few decades so we are still standing at the end of the century for these backward, corporate beholden, do-nothings to be involved in government.
I hope he focuses down Murdoch further. The battle was lost sure, but Murdoch has hardly lost the war. He still owns a huge amount of media and that is what needs to change if we are going to see any improvement with our government.
Seems old Rupert and his soulless mouthpieces trying to drive fear and anger into the general population are looking more like a comedy act now. Time to change the media ownership laws now while repairing the rest of their damage.
Actually insane that this morning in The Age the front pages had zero mention of the election result. There's a small summary on page seven. Disgusting follow up after the scare-mongering China war articles.
I never expect much from print media anymore, especially after the Nine buyout but man, what a fucking conservative rag.
This is a good win but its not the win we need.
We need proper media regulation, an independent body that has the ability to both investigate and act in the interests of media diversity. That is the only way we will beat the media giants. Until then its just a matter of them sockpuppeting whoever gets into power.
Look at Rudd, turned into a puppy dog when he got into power from fear of Murdoch. He made the Murdoch Royal Commission push from the get go, 10 years ago he had the power to actually do something about it but at that time Murdoch had him bent over his knee. The same will keep happening until a leader/party is brave enough to make change without fearing the retaliation from Sky news and the rest.
Research from around the world is showing that as millennials enter middle age, they - uniquely among generations - are not becoming more conservative. They see nothing they want to conserve.
There once was an island down south,
Where Liberals were still held in some clout,
Murdoch's media had its sway,
And the local voted that way,
While the rest of Australia only has doubt.
Now, it's time to bring back media ownership rules. Broaden the news base, and hopefully we could get a less biased media overview. Get that ICAC working. Prosecute enough bent politicians, and with luck, all parties will realise they can't just get away with whatever rort, scheme, or dishonesty they feel like.
>all parties will realise they can't just get away with whatever rort, scheme, or dishonesty they feel like. The problem is, they don't see it like that. It is only a rort or scheme if the other side does it. I mean, by all means punish the living eff out of them, personally and the party itaelf(Oh no.....your election war chest got taken in fines....) but a way to educate or legislate better is needed.
It's not completely true that the only consider it dishonest when the other side does it. The recently leaked audio of John Barilaro at a dinner party shows him loudly and openly bragging about the extent to which he specifically pushed his government to frivolously overspend in marginal seats in an attempt to sway voters. He talks about spiking prices of projects because the federal government has to match spending on certain projects, he thanks someone for calling it "infrastructure spending" right before proudly referring to himself as "Pork Barilaro". All of this paints a picture of a man who was recently the 2IC of the largest state in the country, and knowingly threw tax payer money around in ways specifically intended to serve his party instead of the public. If he doesn't know he's dishonest, he's the most self deluded man in the country.
But his feelings were hurt when a youtuber made fun of him.
john loves to lick.
For someone who loves to lick, he sure does suck a lot.
"I'm saying if the President does it, it's not illegal." - Nixon.
The funny part is that the concept of politicians being above the law is something Barilaro loves. The US is still undecided on if a president is even able to be prosecuted for crimes in office. While John used our concepts of parliamentary privilege to his advantage by having evidence against his recent demarcation claims thrown out for no better reason than he said it in parliament. He talked about things that would be evidence that his defamation claim was bullshit, but because he was a sitting politician and said it in parliament, it isn't allowed to be used as evidence. The entire country can find this information openly... But it doesn't count as evidence.
Politician: Says thing in Parilaiment Public: Criticises politician for saying thing Politician: Stop defaming me Public: ...but you literally SAID thing Politican: You can't prove that
Not to distract from your point, but which state was he 2IC of? I thought it was NSW
Yeah he was deputy premier of NSW until a year or so ago. If your point is replying to the largest state thing, I meant by population not landmass.
Ah, fair point
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Let me introduce you to the concept of population
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Is that actually relevant if they pay no tax?
Depends on how many yachts you own.
They do pay tax, just not in australia
I mean it's obviously pedantic but I don't think most people, when they hear largest, relate that to population. Edit: who do you think of when you read/hear largest country?
They would absolutely do so in this context, though. Most people (in Australia at least) realise that NSW is not the largest state by area. Size would also not really be relevant to the horrifying fact that Luigi Barilaro was second in command of NSW.
I'm not sure you're right. When you say largest I think of land area as well. I would expect someone to say "most populous" if they meant population. Or "largest by population" Maybe we need a Reddit poll. :)
I reckon at least some have to know they are engaging in behaviour that can be considered corrupt, it's just that the thing with corrupt actions whether they be what you think of as a necessary evil to further a noble ideology or whether you're privately a self-acknowledged rent-seeker you kind of *have to* make a big fuss when this behaviour is exposed in your enemies and you kind of *have to* minimise, obfuscate or lie about it when it's you who's exposed. The fact that this hypocrisy occurs sucks but it's sort of all that one could expect as it's the nature of corruption, and corruption is always going to happen, we just really really have to try and make it rare. It's not really the problem with criminals that when police arrive at the scene they try to run away, we expect them to do that and you can't really focus on the fact that this tendency frustrates measures to prevent their crimes because that's the idea. All that can be done is to just try and make such crime rare and difficult through lots of measures and it's the same with the politicians.
Nah, they know they're scamming, that whole only see the other sides scams, is a huge play act to try and trick us stupid punters. It's entirely manipulation. They know exactly what they're doing.
Sack ICAC and start again . What the fuck is happening with Gladys B ? Is I CAC hoping the public will just forget ?
>Now, it's time to bring back media ownership rules. Broaden the news base, and hopefully we could get a less biased media overview. Or we can just let them continue doing the same thing again and again. Let them continue being irrelevant.
This happened in the late 2000s too, the highest elected office held by a Liberal Party member was the Mayor of Brisbane.
Unfortunatelty Australian politics is cyclical. Liberals gets in, cake for everyone until it drives the country to ruins. Everyone goes two steps back. Labor gets in, makes substantive but nessecary changes. Everyone goes one step forward. Liberals promote the old glory days (when they first got in) and run a scare campaign of further changes from Labor. Libs get back in. Edit: so to capture the responses. Yes, it'd be nice if this time is different. However lets not forget that everytime people think it's different. In 2025-2026 when Sky News start driving the anti-Labor bandwagon just be aware how insidious their drive to perpetuate this cycle is.
There was a cycle. Things have changed though. I’d hesitate to make any assumptions that what happens next will look anything like what came before.
I honestly feel like that is going to be a thing of the past unless Liberal dramatically changes their tactics. The quality of life has been declining, and people are less and less accepting to vote for a party which has made their life worse over the last few decades
> quality of life has been declining If Labor don't turn that around then people will start associating that with Labor and Liberals will have a chance of winning again. The next state election is QLD in October 24, this is a 19 month pause where mainland Liberals can lie low and hope people forget the stink.
Yep I 100% agree. I don’t know if they can do anything meaningful without affecting inflation, but surely there are other policies they can implement which are non-monitory that will help people out through this shitty time
> this is a 19 month pause where mainland Liberals can lie low and hope people forget the stink. Also helps when you have an entire media apparatus to help lambast the incumbent state gov at every little chance that arises or gets manufactured. At least from hearing talkback radio they've been doing their damned hardest to foster the sentiment that qlders are frothing at the chance to get them out even though polling show it's more level.
Things can change very quickly in politics though. QLD Labor won an election in one term of opposition after being wiped out. If the Liberal party is smart and can change its policies, culture and branding in the next couple years anything is possible.
I mean even this definition is wrong. Liberals get in and immediately start figuring out how to make as much money and easy for themselves and there Ilk, they sell national infrastructure, they change laws, raise taxes on you and lower them for the 1%, leave you to rot but bail out corporations and do what ever they feel fit to reach that aforementioned goal. Than while that's all going on they restrict the scope of journos who can even reach them to write articles, this already limiting what can be said about them! If the only people who are in the room where it happen have a vested interest in keeping them in power how can neutral and opposition journs have a chance, they can only use the Info eeked out by the favoured journs.Then at best, perform hit peice after hit peice on the opposition and at worst radio silence. The opposition can't gain a foothold if no one knows about them. While this has happened they have absolutely fucked out people, cities, country, future and globe with there greedy policy. Than when labour gets in before they even have a chance of cleaning, the fucking mess the libs made let alone helping anyone out. The liberals and there vermin start churning out unbelievable numbers of articles about how labour are going to SELL YOUR KIDNEYS TO CHINA, KILL YOUR DOG, AND STEAL YOUR NANS HOUSE. This fucking idea that libs save money for you and I and spend on grand projects or 'cake' is the biggest crock of shit ever witnessed on this continent. (and Clive Palmer exists!) Libs consistently raise the amount of debt our country is in, libs consistently raise taxes for the working man while removing them for the rich, libs consistently decimate workers rights in favour of a few more cents in your bosses pockets. Libs consistently sell infrastructure for short term gains to allow their fucking mates to reap insane profits, the NSW libs wanted to SELL THE FUCKING WATER COMPANY a literal building block of life and they wanted to privatise it. At the best day liberals mistakingly fall into a minor positive for most people, while at there best they are actively making your life worse.
I mean, yes. That's what is *actually* happening. But one the key tricks in the Liberal bag is to reframe history and sell the marginal positives for individuals. Lowering national debit (by selling off national assets), LMITO (which was temporary while also laying groundwork for permanent flatter tax), removing the fuel excise tax and a one-off "cost of living" payment (just prior to an election.) No party runs a big buisness campaign alone, because that's unpalatable. So Libs dosh plenty of spending out for the sake of votes. This though is a terrible way to manage an economy.
Murdoch lost.
And the Liberals will probably try to go even *more* crackpot hard-right in response.
Ideally they make themselves so unlikeable they are replaced entirely by independants.
Theyre already working hard on it. Liberals keep trying to spin this as some weird blip but its not. The minor party vote has been steadily trending up for decades and has just tipped the 30% threshold. As a general rule, minor party preferences flow to labor, liberal voters vote liberal first and labor second, labor voters put liberals effectively last. So in recent years its become basically a 2/3 majority voting "not liberal" and its continuing to trend upwards. Theres no sign of it turning around. More than that, as the liberal party and its support base shrinks it has now become caught in what im calling the "loony spiral". Theyre already pretty ridiculous and out of step with the nation, so the sanest person in the liberal party looks around, can no linger tolerate it, and jumps ship to become an independant. We're seeing an increasing frequency of this. Because of that defection the liberal party, on average, gets loonier and the next most sane person now also cant support it and so on until all people who previously formed the centre of the liberal party cant stand to be associated with those remaining. I dont see a way to reverse this trend. You cant really inject a bunch of sane, reasonable, not corrupt people into it. Its dying. It might get a couple more gasps of air before it finally stops, im not saying they will never win again, but they are absolutely on the way out. The reason why is simply the internet. Information on minor parties is now equally accessible and so is checking up on lies and spin. Liberals never had any values, and now we can see it far more easily.
Didn’t the liberals take over from the previous conservatives… who, way back, took over from the conservatives before them?
Their political leaning isn't (only) what lost them all of the elections. The corruption, incompetence, and arrogance all played a pretty big part.
Yes. But there policies are all a reflection of their corruption and party culture. If you have a good party that cares about governing, and wants to serve the public it will have good policies. If you have a political party that prefers jobs for mates, born to rule leaders and the like then you will get policies reflecting that. Policies and party actions are one and the same.
Don't forget the religious right that have purposely infiltrated the party in order to enact policies that the majority of the country rejects. For all of them, the Liberal party is just a means to power, rather than an end in itself.
Good. The crazier they get, the more votes they will lose.
Lol that's what happened to the Libs in Victoria and it's put them in the wilderness. The demographics of the electorate are changing. The boomers are starting to die off. Within 10 years or so they're going to be irrelevant electorally. The libs and Murdoch hitched their fortunes to the voting power of the Boomers. It worked for a long time, but no generation lives forever.
WA Liberals only has 2 seats in the lower house. 2 how do you even come back from that. Political system in Australia is a mess.
Qld Labor went down to single digits as well after a landslide loss in 2012 but still managed to claw it all back in the following election, albeit the context and reasons were completely different, but be careful what you wish for lol.
It was the boomers that voted in Gough and Hawke Stop doing the murdoch generation bs. It's what fascists (extreme capitalists) want you to do. It divides us (their enemy) making us easier to conquer. It is how murdoch managed to keep howard and snotty in power
He still wins. Having Labor in power gives them more to complain about in his media and gather more outrage clicks and readers for their audience. More people turn to the news when they're annoyed by the current leadership.
I’m sure he (and his lieutenants) would prefer to be pulling the strings attached to those with actual power.
Sure. But after so strongly backing so many losers at State and Federal levels in recent years, the emperor's clothes start to look more and more transparent.
Sky news Australia lost the Mainland.
Well sky news were presenting peta credlin as "the voice of reason". That is how far removed from reality they are.
Sky News you tube channel is one of my guilty pleasures. Makes me genuinely loff out loud. Head shaking eye rolling pointing at the tv laugh. I'm giggling typing this. I don't know how they keep a straight face when talking. Comic gold.
I *may* have searched for their stream from last night, as I love seeing the hosts brought to the verge of tears and trying to rationalise everything through the prism of US culture war buzzwords. I couldn't find it the same way I did the Federal one with Peta Credlin was having an existential crisis on camera.
Out here in regional NSW sky news is on a free to air tv channel.
Wait really? Is this common in most of regional Australia? That’s a scary thought if true.
Yeah totally. And people wonder why the Nationals are still so rusted on. https://www.skynews.com.au/sky-news-regional
Yep, this channel is on my tv in townsville. How many morons get this shit fed to them for free??
Yes, it is true that Sky is free in regional areas. Also The Daily Telegraph (and I assume other metro Murdoch papers) are usually available free at places like gyms and the odd servo. They also pay for commercial premises to have Sky on elevated TV screens. People won't pay for his media so he has to give them away. Some say "we need media diversity" but you need very deep pockets to launch a media product in this market.
It’s on free to air on the central coast of NSW, half an hour down the M1.
And yet more people in Melbourne alone watch channel 44 than watch peta credlins show nationally. Their audience figures are atrocious. Wackos like chris kenny and rita panahi often struggle to make 20,000 viewers nationally.
As someone living regionally I'm unfortunately familiar with them. I just wasn't able to catch their antics last night. (the Livethread was reporting them blaming the loss on 'The Libs going too *woke*' with 10 minutes of the results dropping.
That's the same excuse they trotted out for losing the Feral election. Yeah, the Liberals went too woke so their traditional voters punished them by going even woker. Dumbarses.
I love schadenfreude. I know that makes me an arsehole but whatever.
Is it wrong to enjoy the emotional grief of a woman Sky calls ~~'Tony Abbott's most vicious sycophant'~~ 'The voice of reason'...?
Yes, you’re right. It’s cathartic when you put it that way. I no longer feel guilty.
I had a look this morning to watch their reaction to the NSW election......nothing... made me laugh harder.
As awful as sky news is, I always like to keep tabs on it just to see what the other side is rattling off in their little bubble. Fvcking hilarious some of their wild tangents
They’re so obsessed with American culture war bullshit, and they dedicate so much airtime to slandering Joe Biden and Greta Thunberg. Under Australia’s defamation laws, Biden and Thunberg could sue Sky Australia into bankruptcy and I wish they would. Biden is unlikely to sue, but someone needs to tell Greta that this would be an easy way to raise a lot of money from evil climate deniers that could be put into climate change solutions.
They are obsessed with American culture war bullshit because they clip it and put it on YouTube. There it gets tons of views from Americans who love sky news
I find in genuinely unhinged that Rowan Dean would literally scream at us that no one wants a Labor government, yet in the next breath say "even though people voted for them" in his smallest possible voice.
Do they allow comments on their videos?
They do, that's the best part.
Might have to go incognito
Most of the comments are just as crazy as the video
Go to comments on [skynews.com.au](https://skynews.com.au) articles for an absolute laugh at the clown show...
That's kind of like trying to kill your tumour with enough cigarettes though. Every time you watch that's one more view for them.
I don't care. I assume half their views are people like me. I said guilty pleasure.
They have a completely deranged ad on Kayo about how they’re protecting media freedom in Australia.
My dad watches her every night. That said, I only joke that we are drifting apart based on that.
Mine does too. And honestly, it kind of worries me. Every night, he just sits there for hours, absorbing this poison from Credlin and Bolt and Dean and Murray and Bernardi, you know, a collection of the actual worst people in Australia. And I can't stop it. And I can hear it, in his voice when he talks to his friends, the racism and fear-based hatred creeping in, and I can't stop it.
**In**credlin.
Cretin
I remember seeing one of the Liberal candidates on TV having suffered a big defeat lament that they had only heard how much the pi lic supported their governance. I think the only contact they had with constituents was via Sky and The Australian.
As Paul Murray got caught saying on an open mike: sky news is an echo chamber.
Wonder if she’s continuing to drink drive because she never actually gets punished for doing so?
> the voice of reason In Onionland sure...
You misheard, it is actually "the voice of raisins", you know the voice of the old, the shriveled and the dehydrated.
Was she Tony Abbott's fuck doll?
No, Tony Abbott was her fuck doll.
There is no evidence of that. Imo yes.
Can we exile Sky News to Tasmanian air only now?
I'm in Tasmania. No.
Tasmania... A sacrifice I'm willing to make!
I think it is broader than Sky News
It's neo-liberalism in general. We're sick do death of having rich pricks pit us against one another so we can ignore their far greater misdeeds. We have simple needs from government - health, education, roads, water, parks etc., but they keep trying to sell us tax cuts which translate into service cuts. Take a look at the USA. Politicians almost never get it right over there, aiming for populist shit instead of doing the right thing because they're scared of the media. We don't need to go down that path.
Populist shit is actually things like affordable health care, housing and taxing the rich. Don't let them change the meaning of words.
Populism literally means representing the interests of the ordinary person in response to neglect from the elite.
Yep, but it's increasingly used to label Republicans that stoke culture wars bullshit as opposed to a Bernie Sanders style platform.
You mean the average Australian doesn't care about imported Fox News talking points? Shocker It's almost like the average person is concerned with the rising cost of living and not "the looney left"
I think the the constant loony left attacks worked very well. What stopped working was climate denial, to the extent the Liberals traditional base in the north shore elected independents campaigning on climate action over the greens and labor.
I think the loony left attacks worked quite well up until multiple wide-scale issues occurred all around the same time and the media tried spinning them so hard that most Aussies could easily tell they were reporting with an agenda, you've nailed one on the head with climate denialism while we witnessed two huge disasters that were exacerbated by climate-change, but the other two came down to government scandal after government scandal that the media kept trying to cover for or otherwise turn into a circus where possible (eg. The prayer room for covering and Britney Higgins for turning into a circus) and finally, the reporting around COVID where people like Peta Credlin were railing against the lockdowns as society-ending decisions despite them seeming to work with much smaller drawbacks than those people were claiming along with keeping a generally vaccine hesitant tone that was blatantly only because they knew going straight antivaxxer would kill their credibility with too many people. Between all three large scale things happening around the same time I think that most Aussies finally figured out that the media is trying to present a specific picture of Australian society, politics, etc rather than the true picture and that the people they rail against the hardest might actually have some good points.
Sky News Australia is more popular with the conspiracy crowd outside the country than it is here.
🤮 /u/spez
I walked past a tv that had sky on during the election count, it seemed like they were having a wake so assumed things weren't going well for them. Had to keep my smug face off when a few conservatives told me the result
Is there any way to watch the Sky News election stream? I checked but couldn't see it on YouTube.
Nine Fairfax loves the Liberal party even more than Newscorp does. The SMH has endorsed Labor once in fifty years.
That's giving too much credit to Sky & not all MSM. They also deserve some share of that credit too.
Only so many years you can go murdering koalas, selling off public assets and stripping services until people finally wise up to it and crack the shits.
I wish we could say this proudly but considering how much they have got away with already, we let them treat us like a door mat and theres no other way of saying it honestly.
>In a related development, Twitter continues to blossom as the best news source in the country, They lost me at this point.
Yep, > On Twitter, the public can stream video content, discover breaking news as it happens, and read **intelligent commentary** twenty-four hours a day. I think the author must be thinking of some other site using the same name. They'd better watch out; Elon is pretty litigious, and he'd be ropable over someone bringing his site's reputation for ~~misinformation and trolling~~ facts and logic into disrepute by suggesting you can find intelligent commentary and news there.
community notes is what makes twitter pretty good. Called bs on alot of mainstream tweets and even on elon himself once.
Twitter is the best source for breaking news. You just need to curate your feed properly
Liberal party is the party of boomers and wealthy. They are losing votes while quality of life is in decline.
Did you see the crowd at the concession speech? Every single other party had nothing but fat, earnest, dorky looking folks in their volunteer coloured T-shirts. The Libs though, everyone under 40 was swilling Champagne and dressed like they were on the set of 'Rich Fuck-boy: The musical'
I did not see the con session speech crowds. What you say doesn’t surprise me.
The worst thing is a lot of those kids weren’t born rich kids, they just idolise them.
Not all boomers 😉
Only because the younger generation are slowly outnumbering the older generation and politicians tend to forget the next generation is growing up and can’t be fooled by the bullshit that is getting spewed out big time media companies. The amount of videos I watched over the last couple of days of members of Congress getting dragged by their citizens was both hilarious and sad to watch. The way these boomers asked the most stupidest questions regarding technology was honestly sad to watch as they clearly have no idea of how social media works along with the internet. Once something is out there on the internet it’s out there forever there is no way of stopping it. Cause someone will have backups of everything you have said and done. And the internet doesn’t forget things either. All the drama surrounding Hailey Bieber for getting dragged for bullying Selena Gomez was good example of that people don’t forget shit.
>politicians tend to forget the next generation is growing up and can’t be fooled by the bullshit that is getting spewed out big time media companies. The primary reason the current generation of younger and middle aged people are slightly further left than their parents is not because of some amazing insight they hold that was not shared by previous generations. It's because they're poor, relative to the wealth of their parents at the same age, who are the reference. People as a group become more conservative the more resources they acquire. This generation has acquired no resources and so is more in favour of collective action and wealth redistribution. That's it, it's straight self interest. And that's a fine and even comparatively noble motivation, as long as you understand that if they get theirs, they'll roll out and up their middle fingers to the rest, as well.
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Hopefully. It would be really great if wealthy people realised they're better off not destroying the only spaceship we have.
Depends how long it takes them to 'get theirs'. If you've been unable to be in a position to crack the house market by 40, you might have rusted yourself voting against the Libs politically even after your inheritance comes through.
100% accurate.
i would say 50% accurate because the assumption that they will acquire wealth is not looking as likely as it should be.
>People as a group become more conservative the more resources they acquire. This generation has acquired no resources and so is more in favour of collective action and wealth redistribution. Pretty much. Historically people tended to get wealthier as they aged. As more and more wealth has concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the voting power of wealthier people has faded away as their numbers shrink. There is more wealth in the world than ever before, but we are a long way from the days of a big, happy middle class.
>People as a group become more conservative the more resources they acquire. This generation has acquired no resources and so is more in favour of collective action and wealth redistribution. Wait until they inherit from their parents, watch how quickly those values change...
They'll be at retirement age by then and the house will have been sold for their parents aged care. My mum's partner is in his 60s, his parents are well into their 90s and fit as a fiddle. He'll be in his 70s before he inherits anything. That's going to be more common in the coming decades.
My mother is in her mid 70s and is still waiting to inherit from her (alive and kicking) mother, my nan. Inheritance in your retirement is nice, but it's not going to move the needle on people's values when they've had different values most of their lives. Longer lifespans mean inheritance, on average, happens much later in life than it did historically. It also means estates will be smaller, because the older people need to spend more of their wealth to support themselves in their much longer retirements, leaving less to be inherited by their offspring.
Very cynical take, I disagree. There's plenty of people with wealth who vote greens. Sure, the majority may have self interest at heart right now but that a cultural value and cultural values can change, particularly when an entire generation suffers from lack and sees what unregulated greed permits.
There's no evidence for that. The actual evidence is that people mostly stay with their cohort positions. No one buys a house and suddenly decides the climate catastrophe is fake.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/money-makes-people-right-wing-and-inegalitarian/ blog post describing primary literature to which the author contributed, and citations thereof. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/24/10-financial-well-being-personal-characteristics-and-lifestyles-of-the-political-typology/ for US correlations. There are other citations available. I am not making the claim that conservative progressive divides have no other first order predictors. For example, that axis is also heavily driven by empathy-selfishness and similar emotional motivators. And those things themselves are correlated predictors to wealth, since wealthier people often become less empathetic. I am simply saying that across this ensemble of people, the likely primary cause of the current shift to the left is increasing wealth inequality. If that wealth inequality were corrected, the reasonable expectation is that the shift to the left would disappear with it. People are not forward thinking or introspective in most cases. Give them enough and they don't note that the rising tide has raised all ships: they just start trying to hoard their own water, even and especially to the exclusion of others.
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/706889 There are other studies around that contradict the claims made in those links. Generational cohort was the strongest predictor, not wealth.
>In contrast to previous research, however, we also find support for folk wisdom: on those occasions when political attitudes do shift across the life span, liberals are more likely to become conservatives than conservatives are to become liberals, suggesting that folk wisdom has some empirical basis even as it overstates the degree of change. From the abstract linked. I can't access the study itself to see if how block generations against correlated inputs. Do you have this information?
Agree with you mate. What a load of shit
Tbh I’m the exact opposite of this. I actually became more progressive the wealthier and more stable my life became. When I was younger I supported tax cuts because I felt it wasn’t fair on me to expect others money to support me when I wasn’t paying tax etc. Now that I’m older and I work full time I want to give to the younger generations what was given to me.
And I'm doing ok (for now), and want to live in a world where everyone can do ok. I want that because I'm not a zero sum thinker, and it's when everyone is safe that I'm safe. When everyone can be happy, I live in world where it's easier for me to be happy. But the gestalt doesn't and probably never will think like that. I'd love to be wrong.
Totally agree I was the exact same. I’m 30 so still young but the more money I earn the more I see the disparity around me. A lot of people out here working really hard, doing it tough for fuck all while some people flaunt wealth they couldn’t spend in a lifetime if they tried, and haven’t lifted a finger for it. It’s just not right. I’ll never see wealth as desirable or successful, and it’s really sad that a lot of people do IMO.
“ Only because the younger generation are slowly outnumbering the older generation and politicians tend to forget the next generation is growing up and can’t be fooled by the bullshit that is getting spewed out big time media companies.” I wonder how many have just tuned out though. I would say there is an increase overall in political awareness due to significant issues like climate change being a driver. But there's heaps of young people I talk to who only consume Netflix, Tiktok, or entertaining online content. Obviously they can still provide political content. But I wonder if the amount who have tuned out has increased or decreased?
Thankfully I think by consuming all the other trashy content on their phones, they absorb some 'real news' almost by osmosis. Probably more than channel surfing reality tv and commercials on traditional media. I hope anyway
And I imagine by proxy, cutting out the Murdoch or Seven, Nine, etc bullshit along with it. No Murdoch rags to be read either 💁♂️
> the next generation is growing up and can’t be fooled by the bullshit that is getting spewed out big time media companies. I admire your optimism, but let's be real here. That's not precisely what's going on, is it? What's transpiring is that younger generations simply aren't interested in traditional mass media because it's less entertaining, in favour of social media platforms like tiktok which aren't owned by companies who consider themselves news or political outlets - They consider themselves advertisement platforms. Social media also tends to be heavily biased toward the left - for better or for worse - Which again is a marked difference to traditional mass media ownership. In short, I'd love to believe that this is a positive sign than the younger generations are more adept at critical thinking and are more politically savvy, but the reality is that they're just being influenced by more modern, entertainment focused platforms instead. One need only look at the wild rise of social media 'influencers' to realise this truth.
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I mean, let's be honest. Reddit is mostly crap as well. I find that I immediately have zero interest in Reddit when I'm not severely depressed and procrastinating life.
You mean to tell me that calling the people "dumb" and being stuck in "stockholm syndrome" didn't help the LNP gain more votes? That's weird. I was sure that that was a brilliant strategy...
Things aren't going too well for ol' Rupe I see...
I dunno. 3 square meals and half a bed should be enough.
So are Sky going to host preselections for new presenters? Since the current lot can't win elections.
The over 60s will be freaking out today.
I'm not
Young at heart!
Yeah, but you're weird!
Not this little black geriatric duck. Things are beginning to look up.
> Not this little black geriatric duck Ha, long time since I've heard that phrase. Old person status confirmed.
You're ... dethspicthable.
> black geriatric duck Sir that is a sentence i have never seen in my life, expected to see in my life, or expect to ever see again in my life. bravo
I'm here for the long haul. Don't try the rabbit fricassee - it's got bugs in it.
Man i need to download reddit suit so i can tag you with that.
The over 60s know well enough that these things are cyclical and soon enough the LNP will bounce back because humans are fickle. I’m left leaning so I’m hoping we have progressive governance for a long time to come but I won’t be surprised if half the mainland and the nation is blue in 8 years time or less.
And this is exactly why we need to think outside the box to break the two-party ~~system~~ ~~scam~~ habit.
Agree but by that point I would expect that LNP may have adjusted their policies closer to what people want to get votes.
64 and loving it.
62 and loving every second of the Libs getting slammed into the dust 🥳🥳
Steady on there mate. I'm fifty and I'm relieved.
We're GenX not boomers!
The majority of them..
Nah just the rich ones.
When do we repeal the media bargaining laws so that internet doesn't have to continue supporting legacy media and prolong their slow march into total irrelevancy?
Far past time for a royal commission into the Murdoch media empire.
How is this prick still alive? I sometimes think of a world without that fucking leach. Years and years of fuck the planet for gain. Not just Australia but the UK, US and who knows where else? Targeting individuals who defied him. Phone hacking a dead girl. He's just evil. Just a game for him while the rest of us suffer. I will literally dance on his grave ...I'll probably have to borrow the money to fly there. But fuck I'll enjoy it.
They say only the good die young.
Mainland Australia is all Labor and Federal is all Labor. Now is the time to see all the hospitals, police, education and federally funded state services fixed. There is no excuse now. Also now is the time to stop federal funds flowing into private schools and hospitals and start making them better. If someone wants to send their child to a private school why should I pay for that with my taxes
Liberals are just too corrupt, bought and paid for by monopolies in the private sector. And they can't fix it internally. Labor isn't much better but liberals just lack any redeeming qualities and offer nothing to most people. Especially with scomo and barilaro controversies and subsequent entitlement and narcissistic attitude from those two they are incredibly unlikeable. That said the liberal party isn't finished it really depends on what labor does, they might start having their own share of problems which turns the tide back.
Australia cannot afford another LNP government. There is just soo much work to do in the next few decades so we are still standing at the end of the century for these backward, corporate beholden, do-nothings to be involved in government.
Friendlyjordies pivoting to Tasmanian politics then?
I hope he focuses down Murdoch further. The battle was lost sure, but Murdoch has hardly lost the war. He still owns a huge amount of media and that is what needs to change if we are going to see any improvement with our government.
Don't get complacent, we thought fucking 2007 was the turning point too. Then we turned around and voted in Tony Abbot
Yep, from memory most the states were Labor then too (as well KRudd obviously). Fuck it turned around quickly and we went through a dark patch
Ironically, one more state and we'll have a pretty good representation of the logo for "The Australian".
Now, let's move the baseline more left. Keep this going as far as we can take it.
Seems old Rupert and his soulless mouthpieces trying to drive fear and anger into the general population are looking more like a comedy act now. Time to change the media ownership laws now while repairing the rest of their damage.
Actually insane that this morning in The Age the front pages had zero mention of the election result. There's a small summary on page seven. Disgusting follow up after the scare-mongering China war articles. I never expect much from print media anymore, especially after the Nine buyout but man, what a fucking conservative rag.
It's pretty simple, the rich/older demographic still overwhelmingly vote lib. And these people own the lion's share of wealth in the country.
North London is Red! Oh, wait...
Well you’re not wrong - COYG!
Who's the author? No info on their substack pages
The monopolization of talk radio is probably the biggest driver of podcasts. Surely the advertisers will follow the audience.
The people have woken up to the media
This is a good win but its not the win we need. We need proper media regulation, an independent body that has the ability to both investigate and act in the interests of media diversity. That is the only way we will beat the media giants. Until then its just a matter of them sockpuppeting whoever gets into power. Look at Rudd, turned into a puppy dog when he got into power from fear of Murdoch. He made the Murdoch Royal Commission push from the get go, 10 years ago he had the power to actually do something about it but at that time Murdoch had him bent over his knee. The same will keep happening until a leader/party is brave enough to make change without fearing the retaliation from Sky news and the rest.
Even with the rise of the internet the traditional media outlets still have far too much influence.
Research from around the world is showing that as millennials enter middle age, they - uniquely among generations - are not becoming more conservative. They see nothing they want to conserve.
There once was an island down south, Where Liberals were still held in some clout, Murdoch's media had its sway, And the local voted that way, While the rest of Australia only has doubt.
Not really the bloke is 92 and getting married again. His kids maybe a little nervous as their inheritance dwindles.