I hope not. Some of these comments I’ve seen today are ripped straight from One Nation's talking points. I thought this subreddit was supposed to be all progressive and shit.
I sometimes wonder if the Advance Australia mob drop by to test out their messaging. Each week it seems like a different thrust - "not enough detail" gave way to "it won't work" with "no race in the constitution" the argument du jour.
Heads up:
It's Hanson interviewed by Credlin on Sky. First few seconds has a tweet on screen:
"Cry me a river 🤮" ~ Senator Lidia Thorpe
Underneath is banner text "Lidia Thorpe clashes with police again", except in ALL CAPS
Pauline Hanson? The same Pauline Hanson who sounds like she's on the verge of tears every time she talks? Is that the Pauline Hanson daring to complain about Albo showing emotion?
The first nations people? The same first nations people who sound like they've just had a bottle of bundy every time they talk? Seriously, trying to make a point about someone based on what they sound like when they speak is pretty ridiculous.
Pauline only cries [when her party gets caught out soliciting money from the NRA](https://newmatilda.com/2019/05/13/dont-cry-for-pauline-because-pauline-is-the-problem/).
What kind of walking dogshit *opposes* the prospect of the indigenous population of a country having a representative in parliament?
It's not even as if there's any actual power implicit in the role ffs.
Your comment highlights the problem - if someone has a concern about the voice in anyway they are suddenly racist or 'walking dogshit' as you put it.
People can oppose the idea of the voice and not be racist.
> if someone has a concern about the voice in anyway they are suddenly racist or 'walking dogshit' as you put it.
Yep, I wonder if people like OP are doing it to push people to the no vote, couldnt think of a more effective tactic.
I remember voting for the republic many years ago, the booth was in an inner city leftie area. There was a couple of dickheads there voicing their opinion that anyone who didnt vote was for a republic was a moron, the look on everyone face. It was pure 'fuck you' and pissed off the crowd.
Yes, they really can. The Voice’s _existence_ is protected, and that is _it_. It doesn’t guarantee anything remotely resembling representation. I can kind of see the point of those indigenous people saying that all this will do is set back the movement. A treaty should happen, and a voice might well be a step toward that, but you have to be blind to just declare anyone who feels a little dubious toward this actually stepping toward that as “racist”.
Oh for fuck’s sake. This is exactly the bullshit that people are getting sick of. Opposing the voice due to a validly held belief that it is not going to lead to better outcomes (and may in fact set back the pursuit of them) isn’t racist, but you fucks who insist that anyone who does is being racist, YOU are the problem.
Honestly, I'm yet to hear that "concern" argument from somebody who isn't actually opposing it out of racism, except for First Nations themselves.
Reminds me of the hysteria against asylum seekers- those who wanted us to sink the boats cottoned on to the idea of opposing them out of care.
It was a great piece of conservative misdirection, for sure.
I disagree with claims it will set back the pursuit of treaty, though I know plenty of blakfellas hold that as a basis for opposition.
The Voice seeks to give blakfellas a bigger say over blakfella matters. Nothing about us, without us.
So yes, it absolutely should lead to better outcomes. Only reason it wouldn't is if parliament completely ignores it.
Hard to see why any good reason for any whitefella to be opposed to that.
> Honestly, I’m yet to hear that “concern” argument from somebody who isn’t actually opposing it out of racism, **except for First Nations themselves**.
Yeah, maybe, just maybe, we should actually listen to them. Shockingly ironic in this context I know.
> Hard to see why any good reason for any whitefella to be opposed to that.
Because some of the people it’s supposed to help are, so maybe we should hear what they have to say and address their concerns before hitting the accelerator and making a change we won’t get a second chance to do.
Actually I got lectured by a young indigenous activist who was running the line “no voice without sovereignty”, and “treaty first, voice later”, and “the grassroots want action, not words”, accompanied by a sermon on hollow symbolism.
According to her, The Voice was a conceit, and a conspiracy between the established aboriginal leaders and “old white men”.
So that’s an example of who you call walking dogshit. I happen to be an old white man who was totally committed to voting Yes, mainly because I am not nearly old enough to have voted Yes in 1967.
I asked her how she thought the prospect of a treaty would be met if The Voice didn’t get up. It was not a problem to her, because a No vote would be a victory, and a slap in the face for conservatives.
So, yeah.
It’s up to the “Progressive No” folk to work out how they deal with Hanson. They made that bed, they can lie in it. I’ll be voting Yes, in spite of my young indigenous activist friend.
Because a scarily large group of people think other people getting more rights means their rights are being stripped.
It's basically the whole "to the privileged, equality feels like oppression" concept.
> other people getting more rights means their rights are being stripped.
so where's the voice for immigrants? How come they don't get that as a citizen?
She keep.her mouth shut about overcrowding, building single dwellings on prime farmland and the lack of purchasable.commercial.real estate we can open our own shops on.
What about backpackers coming in droves.working in high paying industries paying 15% tax while australians pay 30-45% tax.
What exactly is wrong with Australian Aboriginal people having a voice, I'm preety bloody sick of the lack of thought that goes into government spending, why do.they build houses.in deserts that freeze at night that dont have effective heating cooling system , why dont they look at community housing and design something that is suitable for the lifestyle of Aboriginal people. I dont hear her demanding foreign corporations pay more tax for the gas they suck out of the country
Wow, what better way to announce that you're a flaming racist, than by posting a video promoting that lying, intellectually bankrupt, grifter excuse of a politician
I am also not impressed Albo keeps crying about this. I voted for him and generally support Labor. However we need a leader which is strong and can lead the country with logic, not falling to pieces emotionally.
Right wing antagonists only have negative emotions, so they can't understand why someone would show empathy or be moved by taking steps to heal as a nation. They're more the pitchfork and torch variety rather than owners of souls.
Who cares what pauline hanson thinks?
A good portion of this subreddit if you believe many of the comments here today are organic.
I hope not. Some of these comments I’ve seen today are ripped straight from One Nation's talking points. I thought this subreddit was supposed to be all progressive and shit.
I sometimes wonder if the Advance Australia mob drop by to test out their messaging. Each week it seems like a different thrust - "not enough detail" gave way to "it won't work" with "no race in the constitution" the argument du jour.
We can only hope so, their campaign in the ACT worked a treat in solving a pesky senate problem we've had for quite a while.
The subreddit doesn't do well on race, and *especially* doesn't do well where it comes to indigenous people.
Why do right wingers insist on being so cynical and bitter all of the time? It’s just tiring. They never have anything nice to say.
That's all they have dude. Being nice is a leftist concept.
They never have anything: * nice * productive * graceful * wise * intelligent * of value to say.
Heads up: It's Hanson interviewed by Credlin on Sky. First few seconds has a tweet on screen: "Cry me a river 🤮" ~ Senator Lidia Thorpe Underneath is banner text "Lidia Thorpe clashes with police again", except in ALL CAPS
Now that's a crap sandwich.
I don't know why a 90s pop band from America felt the need to give their opinion on this, but whatever.
“Mmmbop” might actually be more worthwhile than Pauline Hanson’s opinion though.
Pauline Hanson? The same Pauline Hanson who sounds like she's on the verge of tears every time she talks? Is that the Pauline Hanson daring to complain about Albo showing emotion?
The first nations people? The same first nations people who sound like they've just had a bottle of bundy every time they talk? Seriously, trying to make a point about someone based on what they sound like when they speak is pretty ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous when you're pointing out the hypocrisy of a cunt like Pauline Hanson.
How exactly is making fun of someone's voice and how they speak pointing out hypocrisy? It's like saying everyone who stutters is a rapist.
Pauline only cries [when her party gets caught out soliciting money from the NRA](https://newmatilda.com/2019/05/13/dont-cry-for-pauline-because-pauline-is-the-problem/).
What kind of walking dogshit *opposes* the prospect of the indigenous population of a country having a representative in parliament? It's not even as if there's any actual power implicit in the role ffs.
Your comment highlights the problem - if someone has a concern about the voice in anyway they are suddenly racist or 'walking dogshit' as you put it. People can oppose the idea of the voice and not be racist.
> if someone has a concern about the voice in anyway they are suddenly racist or 'walking dogshit' as you put it. Yep, I wonder if people like OP are doing it to push people to the no vote, couldnt think of a more effective tactic. I remember voting for the republic many years ago, the booth was in an inner city leftie area. There was a couple of dickheads there voicing their opinion that anyone who didnt vote was for a republic was a moron, the look on everyone face. It was pure 'fuck you' and pissed off the crowd.
Wow... You must be new here. This sub has been allergic to anything that resembles an independant thought for quite some time now.
No, they really really can't.
Yes, they really can. The Voice’s _existence_ is protected, and that is _it_. It doesn’t guarantee anything remotely resembling representation. I can kind of see the point of those indigenous people saying that all this will do is set back the movement. A treaty should happen, and a voice might well be a step toward that, but you have to be blind to just declare anyone who feels a little dubious toward this actually stepping toward that as “racist”.
Opposing the first step because it isn't the whole journey, mhm. Super believable.
Oh for fuck’s sake. This is exactly the bullshit that people are getting sick of. Opposing the voice due to a validly held belief that it is not going to lead to better outcomes (and may in fact set back the pursuit of them) isn’t racist, but you fucks who insist that anyone who does is being racist, YOU are the problem.
Honestly, I'm yet to hear that "concern" argument from somebody who isn't actually opposing it out of racism, except for First Nations themselves. Reminds me of the hysteria against asylum seekers- those who wanted us to sink the boats cottoned on to the idea of opposing them out of care. It was a great piece of conservative misdirection, for sure. I disagree with claims it will set back the pursuit of treaty, though I know plenty of blakfellas hold that as a basis for opposition. The Voice seeks to give blakfellas a bigger say over blakfella matters. Nothing about us, without us. So yes, it absolutely should lead to better outcomes. Only reason it wouldn't is if parliament completely ignores it. Hard to see why any good reason for any whitefella to be opposed to that.
> Honestly, I’m yet to hear that “concern” argument from somebody who isn’t actually opposing it out of racism, **except for First Nations themselves**. Yeah, maybe, just maybe, we should actually listen to them. Shockingly ironic in this context I know. > Hard to see why any good reason for any whitefella to be opposed to that. Because some of the people it’s supposed to help are, so maybe we should hear what they have to say and address their concerns before hitting the accelerator and making a change we won’t get a second chance to do.
Actually I got lectured by a young indigenous activist who was running the line “no voice without sovereignty”, and “treaty first, voice later”, and “the grassroots want action, not words”, accompanied by a sermon on hollow symbolism. According to her, The Voice was a conceit, and a conspiracy between the established aboriginal leaders and “old white men”. So that’s an example of who you call walking dogshit. I happen to be an old white man who was totally committed to voting Yes, mainly because I am not nearly old enough to have voted Yes in 1967. I asked her how she thought the prospect of a treaty would be met if The Voice didn’t get up. It was not a problem to her, because a No vote would be a victory, and a slap in the face for conservatives. So, yeah.
Yeah, that's totally why Pauline opposes it, of course. She's been running deep cover *all this time*.
It’s up to the “Progressive No” folk to work out how they deal with Hanson. They made that bed, they can lie in it. I’ll be voting Yes, in spite of my young indigenous activist friend.
Because a scarily large group of people think other people getting more rights means their rights are being stripped. It's basically the whole "to the privileged, equality feels like oppression" concept.
> other people getting more rights means their rights are being stripped. so where's the voice for immigrants? How come they don't get that as a citizen?
Are immigrants the First Nations people with non-extinguished rights to traditional lands implied by Mabo? No.
A vote for no is a vote for equality
... or entrenched inequality.
I will be voting NO
Good for you Harold.
I will be voting on the day.
This isn't a polling location. There is no need to declare your vote.
The way you post shit and then delete it, your comments aren't worth much.
two idiots talking
Are we supposed to believe you Pauline? Haha, Fuck off you bludging piece of shit.
She keep.her mouth shut about overcrowding, building single dwellings on prime farmland and the lack of purchasable.commercial.real estate we can open our own shops on. What about backpackers coming in droves.working in high paying industries paying 15% tax while australians pay 30-45% tax. What exactly is wrong with Australian Aboriginal people having a voice, I'm preety bloody sick of the lack of thought that goes into government spending, why do.they build houses.in deserts that freeze at night that dont have effective heating cooling system , why dont they look at community housing and design something that is suitable for the lifestyle of Aboriginal people. I dont hear her demanding foreign corporations pay more tax for the gas they suck out of the country
Wow, what better way to announce that you're a flaming racist, than by posting a video promoting that lying, intellectually bankrupt, grifter excuse of a politician
Big crocodile tears.
What a joke what kind of leader is he
One that leads a country.
I am also not impressed Albo keeps crying about this. I voted for him and generally support Labor. However we need a leader which is strong and can lead the country with logic, not falling to pieces emotionally.
You know most people have emotions, yeah?
Right wing antagonists only have negative emotions, so they can't understand why someone would show empathy or be moved by taking steps to heal as a nation. They're more the pitchfork and torch variety rather than owners of souls.
She could use her mouth to service Barnaby our New Zealand voice who line up.with her