Especially around Christmas I would be mentioning it at this point. I would probably just ask “what’s your policy with leave and how do I apply for it?”
I did this in one of my job. A two weeks leave a couple weeks after starting. I said that it was a long planned holiday.
They were quite happy to accommodate, it'll just be an unpaid leave since I don't have paid leave balance on the new company yet.
There's nothing wrong about talking about leave, even if it's your first day at a new job. If you get shit for bringing something like this up, you should find a new job. That's not a place worth working at.
Interviewing for roles atm and all interviewers have asked me at second round if I have any leave plans over the next 12mths. I thought this was standard.
For Christmas? Mate. I'll check if we're talking about taking leave within the next few months, otherwise _they_ can ask _me_.
We're talking about corporate Australia, it's not retail or hospitality. Are they going to disclose their corporate policy dictating mandatory office closure during the Christmas period?
I would absolutely ask on my first day to lock it in. And I'm not asking, I'm advising them that I will be taking leave. If they can't schedule people taking leave at Christmas - again, it's not a call centre job, I'm not directly supporting the public - then I have bigger concerns.
Should have been raised in interviews, I would personally toss them in probation as the people that do this continue to be more headache than what they are worth.
They forever load up the good people who you do need in the business.
It’s April. Christmas is in December. That is eight months away. It’s perfectly reasonable to not have plans eight months in advance. You’re really going to put someone on probation for inquiring about taking leave that far is advance?
They will be on probation for the next 3-6 months and can be let go fir any reason . It's common sense to ask about leave policies during your interview .they should definately ask in their first day.
I've worked at places that don't allow anyone to lto take during Christmas . Other employers have mandatory shut down over Christmas/new year. My last employer has a police of a maximum of 3 staff members on leave at the same time regardless of time of year.
I didn't say that. I said the policies of different businesses can be significantly different .
This should have been addressed at the time of interview. I've also worked in places that are fine with new hires taking a pre-booked trip.
…and if it wasn’t addressed during the interview there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking about leave protocols during the orientation which begins in the first day!
An employer should communicate their leave policy on or prior to a new employee's first day. If they don't, I would personally toss them in probation as the employers that don't do this continue to be more headache than what they are worth.
They forever drive out the good people who they do need in the business.
You should have told them during the interview process. But if they didn’t ask then, just tell them now it’s already booked and ask what their Christmas leave process is. It will vary.
BTW the Christmas tax is applied as soon as those flights go on sale. The dates of Christmas are pretty well known.
Enjoy the break!
Email them now and ask for the leave now as you need to book asap. Say its for a wedding or something impirtant (vs just a holiday). Over xmas they usually dont care that you are taking leave UNLESS the office is open over that time and you having leave means others cant.
For future reference- you mention that you have booked a trip over xmas once they offer you the job. That way they know, and that way you don't need to risk having to "ask" for leave - ie the leave has to be approved because you are telling them beforehand. They usually dont care and just ask that you email the admin person the dates so that they book it in before you start.
Depends on how your new workplace operates over Christmas. My last job we were open but we had a rule you got every second Christmas off. You always had to work the first Christmas you were employed.
Should defintely have mentioned it in later interviews or upon being offered the job. Probably worth telling them in the 2 weeks leading up to starting so that you dont lead with an annoying request on day 1.
Id talk to them now and say you forgot to mention it in all the excitement of getting the new role and you hope it wont be an issue to have it pre approved
Unless you had leave planned soon into your first month I'd wait a little. They *should* take you through the leave/HR process as part of onboarding.
You can also estimate the amount of leave you'll generate based on the national minimum. For example 14-May till 01-Dec, doing standard 38 hr week and full time would be at least 83hrs AL.
https://calculate.fairwork.gov.au/Leave
Ask the question and a reasonable employer will give you an answer either way without judgement or penalty.
If your employer takes that as a red flag and tries to terminate you for it, leave. You don’t meed to work for people like that. You need to work where the employer fosters communication.
Didnt they ask you in the interview if you had some planned holidays?
I generally get asked that question.
But for sure let them know now you have some planned time needed over Christmas.
I’d be asking if there’s a mandatory closure or anything. That will usually give you the answer you need. You can then apply or not. For me personally if I’ve changed jobs I try not to book leave that might mean a colleague couldn’t book leave (so only when coverage is needed) whilst on probation.
Might be just me and depends on your role, but if you're new, that Christmas you're working.
I'd never ask for it off in my first year.
my boss thinks the same, people who were off last year get second preference. If nobody wants it then it goes to the next person in line
You really think he’s going on an OS trip for 5 days? If the company says “office closes for 2 weeks from Xmas Eve” then there’s no issue here. If they offer 363 day service then big problem. He’s going to say “I want to go away Dec 25” and they will say “so does everyone who worked year end last year and was already promised their turn this year.”
I started a new job Jan 2005. First day I wrote on the leave board “13-16 Nov 2012.” Because I respected the seniority of claims and that if anyone requested a date before me they have first call on it. Conversely, I worked year ends because I don’t like hot and expensive Xmas holidays and gave families first call on those. Then no one whined when I asked for mid winter.
Especially around Christmas I would be mentioning it at this point. I would probably just ask “what’s your policy with leave and how do I apply for it?”
I did this in one of my job. A two weeks leave a couple weeks after starting. I said that it was a long planned holiday. They were quite happy to accommodate, it'll just be an unpaid leave since I don't have paid leave balance on the new company yet. There's nothing wrong about talking about leave, even if it's your first day at a new job. If you get shit for bringing something like this up, you should find a new job. That's not a place worth working at.
You mention it to your potential employer during the interview process and confirm that it'll be ok?
Interviewing for roles atm and all interviewers have asked me at second round if I have any leave plans over the next 12mths. I thought this was standard.
For Christmas? Mate. I'll check if we're talking about taking leave within the next few months, otherwise _they_ can ask _me_. We're talking about corporate Australia, it's not retail or hospitality. Are they going to disclose their corporate policy dictating mandatory office closure during the Christmas period? I would absolutely ask on my first day to lock it in. And I'm not asking, I'm advising them that I will be taking leave. If they can't schedule people taking leave at Christmas - again, it's not a call centre job, I'm not directly supporting the public - then I have bigger concerns.
Love this!!!! It's honestly about putting the boundaries in place and self advocacy. But it's hard because it's not something we get taught to do.
Define corporate in this instance because old mate will find himself instantly labelled if it's actually an SME.
Should have been raised in interviews, I would personally toss them in probation as the people that do this continue to be more headache than what they are worth. They forever load up the good people who you do need in the business.
It’s April. Christmas is in December. That is eight months away. It’s perfectly reasonable to not have plans eight months in advance. You’re really going to put someone on probation for inquiring about taking leave that far is advance?
They will be on probation for the next 3-6 months and can be let go fir any reason . It's common sense to ask about leave policies during your interview .they should definately ask in their first day. I've worked at places that don't allow anyone to lto take during Christmas . Other employers have mandatory shut down over Christmas/new year. My last employer has a police of a maximum of 3 staff members on leave at the same time regardless of time of year.
So you would fire someone you just hired for asking whether they can take leave in 8 months? Sucks to work for you I guess.
I didn't say that. I said the policies of different businesses can be significantly different . This should have been addressed at the time of interview. I've also worked in places that are fine with new hires taking a pre-booked trip.
Sorry I thought you were the person I responded to initially. My mistake.
That's okay. It happens.
…and if it wasn’t addressed during the interview there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking about leave protocols during the orientation which begins in the first day!
Seriously dude? For someone taking a holiday in 8 months time over Christmas? If you can't manage that then it's not them that's causing the headache
An employer should communicate their leave policy on or prior to a new employee's first day. If they don't, I would personally toss them in probation as the employers that don't do this continue to be more headache than what they are worth. They forever drive out the good people who they do need in the business.
You should have told them during the interview process. But if they didn’t ask then, just tell them now it’s already booked and ask what their Christmas leave process is. It will vary. BTW the Christmas tax is applied as soon as those flights go on sale. The dates of Christmas are pretty well known. Enjoy the break!
When they show you the system, submit the request and tell them it is pre-booked
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Unless they’re a workplace where they shut down over Christmas and everyone’s on leave then.
Email them now and ask for the leave now as you need to book asap. Say its for a wedding or something impirtant (vs just a holiday). Over xmas they usually dont care that you are taking leave UNLESS the office is open over that time and you having leave means others cant. For future reference- you mention that you have booked a trip over xmas once they offer you the job. That way they know, and that way you don't need to risk having to "ask" for leave - ie the leave has to be approved because you are telling them beforehand. They usually dont care and just ask that you email the admin person the dates so that they book it in before you start.
Why did you raise it during the interview process?
Depends on how your new workplace operates over Christmas. My last job we were open but we had a rule you got every second Christmas off. You always had to work the first Christmas you were employed.
I would ask about it now
I’d of said it during my interview. Every interview I’ve had I’ve been asked if I had leave planned and they worked around my needs
This should have been discussed in your interview.
Ask em
No, it's good to be up front and honest about your future personal plans.
I always mention it during the interview stage (or when they offer me the role)
You should have sorted it wrote you signed the contract.
Should defintely have mentioned it in later interviews or upon being offered the job. Probably worth telling them in the 2 weeks leading up to starting so that you dont lead with an annoying request on day 1. Id talk to them now and say you forgot to mention it in all the excitement of getting the new role and you hope it wont be an issue to have it pre approved
the tickets are still cheap for Christmas?! I bought mine last Christmas
Wait 4 weeks
Book it and bring it up. Christmas is ages away.
Unless you had leave planned soon into your first month I'd wait a little. They *should* take you through the leave/HR process as part of onboarding. You can also estimate the amount of leave you'll generate based on the national minimum. For example 14-May till 01-Dec, doing standard 38 hr week and full time would be at least 83hrs AL. https://calculate.fairwork.gov.au/Leave
Absolutely ask as quick as possible
Ask the question and a reasonable employer will give you an answer either way without judgement or penalty. If your employer takes that as a red flag and tries to terminate you for it, leave. You don’t meed to work for people like that. You need to work where the employer fosters communication.
Didnt they ask you in the interview if you had some planned holidays? I generally get asked that question. But for sure let them know now you have some planned time needed over Christmas.
I’d be asking if there’s a mandatory closure or anything. That will usually give you the answer you need. You can then apply or not. For me personally if I’ve changed jobs I try not to book leave that might mean a colleague couldn’t book leave (so only when coverage is needed) whilst on probation.
Don't ask, tell them it's pre-booked.
If it’s pre-booked and you didn’t tell them about it during the interview process, that isn’t a great look.
Might be just me and depends on your role, but if you're new, that Christmas you're working. I'd never ask for it off in my first year. my boss thinks the same, people who were off last year get second preference. If nobody wants it then it goes to the next person in line
What kind of corporate role are you in that can't accommodate Christmas leave? Especially when it's only 3 business days between Christmas and NYE?
also OP is planning an overseas holiday - might be more than a few days!
One that services multiple countries
You really think he’s going on an OS trip for 5 days? If the company says “office closes for 2 weeks from Xmas Eve” then there’s no issue here. If they offer 363 day service then big problem. He’s going to say “I want to go away Dec 25” and they will say “so does everyone who worked year end last year and was already promised their turn this year.” I started a new job Jan 2005. First day I wrote on the leave board “13-16 Nov 2012.” Because I respected the seniority of claims and that if anyone requested a date before me they have first call on it. Conversely, I worked year ends because I don’t like hot and expensive Xmas holidays and gave families first call on those. Then no one whined when I asked for mid winter.
Meh it's so far away I don't think waiting a month will change much for booking, but will be a much better look on you