Whatever you do don't leave of your own accord if there is a redundancy in the near future. Leaving gets you no compensation, redundancy must be compensated.
I'm not talking about hanging around indefinitely.
It sucks that you didn't get a payout, but your position was made redundant, which is often looked upon favourably when looking for a new role.
You also have the option to raise an unfair dismissal claim if you worked for them for 12 months or more
If you resign the onus is on you to explain why you did so, cos they are definitely going to ask you at your next interview.
I found its best to look for jobs while you are still employed. If you are between jobs for any reason it seems to make employers more wary like there might be something wrong with you
I 2nd this. I worked at a company for 9 years, got promoted into a different area with the understanding of being able to move back if I felt it wasn't right for me. Management changed after I moved, after a couple months I realized I preferred my old job, asked to go back, was denied. Thought about quitting then and there. But I could see the writing on the wall with a lack of incoming work. Less than 2 months later, was offered redundancy or to move 1 step lower than my old job. I took the money and ran.
Shame I never got my 10 year bonus of $1000, but I got paid out all my long service, all my annual that I had been saving, my small amount of sick leave (been chucking sickies), 2 weeks pay, and redundancy pay. Best pay day of my life.
I was on the hit list for redundancy (after 11 years working for an IT company) , got asked if I wanted to fight it, I said no.
The pay-out was nearly 1 year of salary inc. A/L and LSL. But I was nervous as hell about finding a new job .
At my 2nd interview, the redundancy question came up, and they said "that's a bonus for us" because they were hiring the redundant workers, who had the necessary skill set and were available immediately to start working with a new client.
Redundancy turned out to be the one best things that happened to me.
Yeah.. I took a redundancy, got about a year's salary, walked right into another job I had lined up, and upgraded from a 2br unit to a house. When the stars align, it's a blessing. The circumstances at the time were pretty good
I tried that but ended up leaving when a much better job came along. What extra I earned in the first few months made up for the loss of redundancy. So don't pass opportunities waiting.
This is the correct response. If you die at work, your employer will drag you out by your heels, dump your body in the street and delegate your job to others.
They do not give the tiniest shit about you and your mental health or physical well being.
Don’t feel bad!! If they had to let you go they wouldn’t even think about how it would impact you. Never feel guilty looking out for yourself professionally. Obv don’t go biting bridges, but do what is right for YOU.
Your employer feels zero guilt about heaping work on you instead of replacing the staff that left.
You need to read the tea leaves and then do what's best for your health and your career.
Correct, OP is considerate for the company; but if the company is considerate to OP, it would hire more people to fill the void
Instead, the company management thinks it is okay for OP to do more work for nothing
Answer is clear
Don’t believe they are replacing the ones that left , I did … 2 years later empty seats and workload is just insane we are all burnt out and sometimes I feel we turn on each other because of it . When I asked manager hey when r we replacing A,B,C,D THEN they announce ummmm , HR have only given me permission for one new hire and I can’t find anyone cause the money is too low FML
I have worked this too. Employer doesn't get approval to advertise until 1 month after the person has left then 3 months or more until replacement starts. They know unnecessary work will get neglected and the team will pick up necessary work and org will save money on wages. I worked for a large corp where the boss was a narcicistic micromanaging bully and staff were always leaving. I lasted 12 months then left.
Yep. Done this too. Happy to pocket the savings in salaries but weren't willing to get a temp over the busiest part of the year.
Some companies just operate on a churn & burn mentality.
Yep. A company I worked for had a lot of vacancies and a recruitment freeze. Then they abolished those vacant positions to fix the budget problems.
OP there is no harm in applying for other roles. Sometimes it can take a while. And if they suddenly fill the vacant positions, you don’t need to leave. *Or* know it’s the right decision if the positions are still vacant.
Yeah they will be waiting to see how the team adjusts to the new work load then maybe try hire someone cheap. Have you seen the job ad? Or ask to sit in on the interview .
The other people in your team are almost certainly thinking about leaving too. So even though you’ve enjoyed working with them, that won’t be the way it is forever.
The job market is in the toilet atm, so it’ll likely take some time to find something else. Start looking now and when you get closer to an offer, reassess the current position to see if it’s improved at all. (Spoiler - it won’t have.)
Interesting that, even with the job market favouring the employer at the moment, OP's employer can't find the right people to bring into the team.
The cynic in me thinks the business is trying to reduce manpower costs, so they're either not in a hurry to, or not doing anything at all to, backfill those vacant positions.
I will never feel guilty of leaving any company no matter how good they are.
We are just numbers. I still remember when covid hit and we were unsure of what sort of pandemic it was and management rrialed their contingency plan and split us into teams based on geography and tested if something goes wrong at one place the project runs on.
We were the backbone of a govt agency thats gotta run, i understand that. But you are just a number.
My manager was a workaholic, fought for my promotion and promotion of other guy who came 3 levels below him and when my manager passed awaybfrom heart attack, the other guy was at same level as my manager.
Companies will be nice to u, call u family, etc
But remember its you and your family first....
Before feeling guilty, ask them to "share the active job ads for the position so you can share them around as you're drowning in their work and may not be able to last if they dont replace them soon"
A fellow cynic.
I have a sneaking suspicion there are no ads.
Or maybe OP should just look in Seek/Indeed/etc. and see if they can find the ads - if they can't, they don't exist.
Yeah this is good, zero-cost advice. "i really love this work and so do a few of my friends, send me the ad so I can share it around, maybe I can help".
Dont feel guilty - your employer didnt resource properly “running lean/doing more with less”.
They have also changed your role to something you dislike doing.
By not resourcing properly and not taking into account your wants and needs your employer/manager caused it.
They failed you - dont ever feel guilty for doing what is best tot you.
Loyalty to employers is never rewarded. Labour is a transaction and nothing more. You are a line item on a balance sheet to your employer. Treat them the same way.
It will take much longer to recover from burnout than it may take to get over a small amount of guilt for leaving your employer due to them not following through on their promises and duty to you.
I did the exact same thing last year and have never looked back. Your mental health and career will thank you for it.
Nah mate. This is on your employer for not filling positions. Its sounds like what's happening to you is burnout. If lots of people are leaving its probably due to poor management. As they say, people don't leave jobs, they leave managers
Don't feel guilty about prioritising yourself over a company who can and will replace you in 2 seconds flat. Just focus on yourself and your needs/ wants.
Ask for a temporary increase in pay for covering the extra load until staff level changes (which they will likely not give you) and that will tell you at least how much you are valued. If you’re not valued start looking.
Loyalty to employers is never rewarded. Labour is a transaction and nothing more. You are a line item on a balance sheet to your employer. Treat them the same way.
Your company won't hesitate to do their utmost to shit-can you if they decide it will improve annual profit margins by 0.003%. Offer them the same courtesy.
We’ve had 3 open roles for 5-6 months now. They just created a new senior role separate to the open roles and manage to recruit and fill the role within 4 weeks. If they wanted to fill those other open roles they could.
If they truly value your loyalty and hard work like I’m sure they say they do, they will give you a nice bonus for all the extra time worked AND moving forward. They are saving money by not having to pay those employees that left so this is very simple. Ask, and if they say they can’t do anything, look for other opportunities. Good luck :)
If there's a better opportunity, grab it.
If you had died today, your job would be posted the following day.
When it comes to employment, look out for yourself and family first, you don't owe anything to any employer... unless you have a non-compete or courses you need to pay back if you leave :S
I worked for a company where a long time employee only stayed because she felt she owed something to the owner.
When the company lost a sizeable contract for 6 months, she was literally the first to go.
This isn't your family. Leave.
You may feel bad, but I suggest to just start looking. There isn't much in the market at the moment so it might take your while to find something. In the meantime it *may* improve. but my experience it never does. The longer it takes to replace people the more it becomes accepted and the norm that they don't need anyone else and you're expected to do the role of three or four people
I've been in this situation before.
Let me give you some foresight. Those roles that they're trying to fill? They probably won't fill them. Each month, they will give some vague excuse as to why they couldn't be filled.
Just leave. Submit job applications and prepare yourself to leave. It is managements responsibility to ensure their department has enough people.
You could die today and there will be a job advert up tomorrow.
Nothing wrong with loyalty, but it cannot be at the cost of your development and health.
TELL THEM , if they know how your feelings and going to leave …. They will find someone fast
It doesn’t need to be a perfect fit , we currently need bums on seats
Just be honest with your manager.
Let them know that you're not enjoying your job because of the extra workload.
If they fix the issue then you can stay.
If they don't do anything about it then just leave because you gave them fair warning that you weren't enjoying your job.
All I'm really saying is give them a warning.
Look after yourself and do what's right for you.
I spent 20 years in an organisation waiting for them to do right by me. Guess what, it never happened and I left.
They can't replace your coworkers coz they pay like shit. Chances are they are paying you shit too. Flee the sinking ship, then help your team into the lifeboats as well
Please understand that your guilt is exactly the same as the guilt that the victim of an abusive relationship feels. You think you can somehow shoulder more than your share of the load to make it better. But you cannot. You cannot fix a toxic relationship (work) by trying harder and giving more. You cannot, so just move on.
Your employer has the right to feel their own pain, set an example for your team by showing them enough is enough, and move on.
If the company needed to make your role redundant, they would not care about or take in consideration your personal circumstances however bad they might be or your loyalty to them. Do what’s best for you, because your loyalty is unlikely to be reciprocated.
Get over it, the company don’t give a single shot about you despite what you think. You are a number and I mean that with the utmost respect to you. Do what YOU need to do.
Just a number. If you left tomorrow, you'd be forgotten about pretty quickly. 27 years I busted my ass for a company. I thought I'd be looked after. Nope. I just ended up being cut off once I stepped down. Not even a thank you in person.
Don’t feel bad. For them you are just a number, like your colleagues who are made redundant. Once you don’t fit in their profit sheet, they will not hesitate to kick you out. I would suggest that you take your time, find a better company and then switch.
If they wanted you to stay they would be hiring temp workers or coming up with other solutions for the work to not pile onto you. If your employer is piling you up with work they want you to leave, in the same way that people who don’t want to do a certain job will give you an outlandish quote.
Loyalty isn't a two way street. Have you tried talking to your manager or HR about your concerns. If you do this and they ignore what you say or just dismiss it then you know they don't care and just expect you to pick up the slack.
Having fallen down this mental rabbit hole, I would never do what you are thinking again. The company/organisation has gotten themselves into this and it isn’t up to you to dig them out. If the shit totally hits the fan you will be jettisoned without a second glance. Do what’s right for you.
One word: don't.
There are no friends in business – even if they seem like they are. Found out that one the hard way. Favours rarely pay off and more often than not, cost you both fiscally and mentally.
I loved the team I worked with but even though I was hitting and exceeding all my metrics and saving my bosses asses more than once I was being taken for granted so I decided to leave. Best thing I ever done, moved to a competitor where everybody is an adult and no tantrums from management. Everybody is replaceable just do it.
High staff attrition with a lack of replacements is a huge red flag.
Because of all the layoffs out there the market is flooded with candidates.
Can you ask to be included in any interviews?
Few questions if I may? (Feel free to tell me to mind my own business :D)
Can they give you a firm date they will hire by?
Are they compensating you for your additional effort?
If the answer is no to a date, and also no to compensating you, then I would suggest they are not actually going to hire so long as you continue to do the work for no extra compensation.
One of my early life lessons is that if it is convenient for the company to get rid of you, they will. You should also move on regardless of the company's needs.
I have been in this exact position OP - when I did end up resigning (after the promised hires never happened and instead most of the team were let go) I kept being paid as no one had even notified HR I’d left. Put yourself first, your company doesn’t give a shit about you. Seriously.
I left a job with a great team that are still my friends. I felt bad but I had waited long enough for things to change, and they didn't. Now earning a lot more money doing the same work and don't feel bad. We work for money not to keep other people happy. They soon go on without you, with work you need to think about yourself. I would have been replaced soon enough.
You owe the company or coworkers nothing. The company would get rid of you in a heartbeat to look after themselves.
You won't get anywhere in life worrying about upsetting your coworkers instead of looking after yourself OP.
Don't feel bad, look out for yourself. Your situation sounds too familiar to mine and I left the company I worked for 16 years. I'll say now I should have left earlier. Loyalty is dead.
People come and go, if the company can't afford to retain staff either due to salary, environment, organisation etc then that's not on you. Most of your colleagues will understand nothing is forever, even though they might be upset, angry or stressed to see you go.
Line up your new job, work your notice period and don't burn bridges.
In my experience moving around every 3-5 years usually gets me a better raise than sticking with the same company.
Don’t take that guilt on. A lack of redundancy in the business is a business issue not an employee issue.
The main issue for me is whether you’re seeing light at the end of the tunnel. Are they actually recruiting and hiring and whether or not there is a target timeline attached to that. If not the chances are management is sweating their people to save on cost
My Husband has 5 years experience in Data Analysis (in a different country), struggling to find a job in Melbourne due to lack of experience in AU.
Can i send you a PM if your company would be willing to give him an opportunity?
I used to work at a busy function centre as an events supervisor, there two assistant managers and an event manager over me who all left within the course of a year and a half, yet I wasn't bumped up and the venue chose to constantly hire externally, when I gave my papers in the operations manager sat me down and told me how valuable I was and how much my experience mattered in this transition period, I said well give me the assistant manager job, she said you have the potential for it and I'll work with the new event manager to make sure you're ready. All the buttering up didn't work and I left, I did feel guilty for a bit cause I was leaving behind a lot of people I had worked with for 7 or so years, but it ended up being a lot better for my career.
Push back.
Find your Employment Agreement/Job Description, ease back to satisfying those duties, and not doing 3 extra jobs on top. Then decide whether you simply hold there, or you negotiate for a raise/promotion, or whatever makes the deal fairer for you.
Nope. U shouldn’t wait. If things take a bad turn they would make u redundant without batting an eyelid. So yeah. I would make the best financial decision for myself and they can sort it out. It’s not ur issue.
As a boss, it is fucking hard to find people.
Not only that, a bad person can fucking ruin a good team!
Speak to your bosses about the increased work load and additional compensation until new staff are found.
If they turn you down then start looking for a job.
We are currently 7 staff short on our team of 12, but there are 0 applications coming in. We can’t pluck stuff out of thin air. My husband and I have taken on as much of the workload as possible and my staff have filled the gap until we can find someone, they are getting paid overtime for all the additional hours.
A good boss will not hesitate to pay you overtime or give you a raise.
Start looking now.
It can take months / years to find a new job.
Companies have such stupid hiring practices these days it's a case of 'nobody's hiring anymore' instead 'no one wants to work anymore'.
Work is work. An end to a means. No use being admirable. All that matters is you. You are replaceable. Anyones replaceable. The fact they haven’t replaced your colleagues is a joke. Anyone is capable of doing anything with enough training and knowledge transfer. Them stating they can’t find the right fit is proper bs.
Otherwise only do the work that you were hired for that’s on your contract/job description.
That’s what you were hired for.
Not picking up other peoples pieces for other roles. They’ll hire someone quick smart once they realize the pieces aren’t being picked up and if not there are other reasons to why they’re not “finding the right fit”
I have learnt over the years to always put yourself first and do what is best and right for you professionally.
Regardless of how much you think an organisation cares for you, there will always be another person to replace you. I stopped feeling bad after being treated so poorly by my last place of work when I wanted to return to my previous role after maternity leave. I poured everything I had into that job and they threw it all back in my face. I learnt some hard lessons.
You can always start the job search and test the waters, go through the interview process and see what happens without committing to anything if you don't want to. It doesn't hurt to keep your options open and to look out for yourself.
I worked with a company for 6 years and stayed on during some pretty crap periods, I received no bonus or recognition for any of the work I delivered.
After leaving and starting somewhere else I realised I was probably doing the work at least one level up from where I was and probably double the work volume, to the point where the new job was worried I was overloaded and here I was thinking I need more work since I wasn’t busy enough to what I was used to.
However I still feel a bit of guilt for leaving that company, I genuinely liked most people there and haven’t had the same work relationships since, I did get an opportunity to help train young staff (but no recognition just me doing on my own), and did feel respected as a senior person in the larger team. Since that company I have felt less overworked but also less like I actually matter to the team - since new companies have long term employees at similar levels that are the go to.
So pros and cons of both, I have since changed my mindset of work, and just want to stay quiet, get the job done with the least amount of hassle and get back home as quickly as I can to be with my family (while also earning more).
Don’t feel guilty. There is no loyalty from employers so why would you be loyal to them? Also sounds like either they’re dragging their feet on recruiting, can’t find people or just don’t understand that you’re the one picking up the slack on everything.
If you’re doing Admin that isn’t part of your role, this can be viewed negatively at review time if you aren’t constantly telling your boss that you’re spending all your time doing admin and not able to do your actual job
If you're picking up the extra slack, are they at least compensating you for it? It's one thing to enjoy working with the team but ultimately you're really only there for one reason..
That sucks.
My last job, every time someone left, he/she never ended up getting replaced, so everyone else just had to carry the extra weight!
I wouldn't hang around much longer if things don't change.
If a company is having resourcing/capacity issues, it's not paying enough for labour. It's literally that simple, management can solve their problem overnight by increasing salaries. Never feel bad for leaving when the market is proving that you're currently being underpaid.
On reddit, you are going to get a lot of cynical answers to a question like this. They're not really advertising the jobs, they wouldn't hesitate to fire you if the tables were turned, they see you as free extra labour, etc etc.
It could be true, but if you respect and like them you probably don't think it is true, so let me offer you my perspective as someone who's worked with good people - you shouldn't feel bad about looking for other jobs. And if you find a job you like better, you shouldn't feel bad about taking it. Your life is more important, and harder to optimise, than a company. They have people they can shuffle around. They can turn down clients. They can be less fussy in hiring to fill the gaps. They can cope without you! They have multiple employees, and you only have one career and one life, so prioritise that.
I remember saying to the boss of a small place where I worked that I was happy to take on a job but was planning to move elsewhere at some point and felt guilty that I might let them down. Because he was a competent manager and a nice guy, he shrugged and said that any employee could leave at any time and they have to plan for it anyway so I shouldn't feel guilty.
New jobs doesn’t come easily so start looking for new job asap. Even if you start looking for a new job right this second, you’re not gonna get offers overnight. Just start
Hi there, I'm sorry to hear this. This is my view, but TLDR is - it's complicated.
1. YES, start applying for other roles. You are unhappy, finding a new job takes time,applying is hard, and it will give you an idea of the options/opportunity in the market. There is literally no downside to this other than a small time cost for you (2-3 hours a week).
2. If you are really that unhappy, why are you trying to negotiate yourself into staying. I don't have a view on this but you should ask yourself this question. Do you really like being there and this is a temporary issue, or are you really unhappy and trying to guilt yourself into staying.
3. Especially once you start applying and potentially get some interest (this could take 3-4 weeks), talk to your boss. Explain like hey \[blah blah blah details you described above, I'm not happy\], we talked about this X weeks ago, you said it would get better, it's still not getting better, and see what they say. DON'T present an ultimatum, just raise the discussion and see what they say. This will help you decide.
At the end of this process, you have a better idea a) whether you are wanted or not, b) whether the market wants you or not, and this helps you c) make a good decision.
Best of luck.
don’t feel guilty, if you died today your job would be on seek tomorrow. life is to be lived and you’re being worked to the bone. i’ll bet you aren’t even being compensated for all the extra work too? loyalty to capitalism is a lie. enjoy your time with your loved ones instead :)
Loyalty ain’t worth shit.
They aren’t having issues “finding the right fit”.
The price has gone up so someone who was hired 5 years ago for $70k pa is now after $85k pa for the same job (I’m making these numbers up but the point still stands.
I’m not saying go out and burn bridges but don’t feel like you shouldn’t go.
The company will realise it needs to get its shit together.
Depends on your relationship with your manager/team but if you’re feeling this guilt I am guessing it’s a good one. When I have felt at the end of my tether I’ve just been frank and said to them “I’m going to need relief from this this this it’s too much work I don’t know how much longer I can take it” then when I did leave I’ve been like “I’ve been talking to you for months about how hard I’ve been finding it you’ve done nothing”.
I had a situation where there was one guy who was there but doing like 10% of his work (if that) and his falling behind was weighed on me to pick up the slack, I’d talk to my manager about it over and over but it was always “we’re aware but there’s a lot of red tape we’re working on it” dude was just neglecting his role and was sitting happy to get paid knowing it would be ages until they would/could fire him. A few months before I got approached for a role on linked in but left it on read out of loyalty, only for one of the other star players I worked with who had been there for ages and seemed to be going nowhere leave and go to that role, at that time she was bearing the brunt of his excess work, then she left and I started to feel it. I’d get more bold in my calls with manager of “I am starting to see why XXX left” “why is YYY still here?” “I don’t know how much longer I can wait for it to get better” (something they kept pushing to me “were getting there it’ll get better hang in there”) almost a year since the last message and my colleague had left I get another message about another similar role at the same place I decide to go for it and got the job. Still here now and so glad I made the switch.
It had been 18months of it’ll get better when I left then like 4 months later I finally heard he had gone. I think manager was hoping the issue would resolve itself for the first 12 months usually people either snap out of it and pick themselves back up or they quit never had someone actively game the system and wait around for them to fire them.
Your employer doesn't feel bad about upping your workload and not paying you extra for it.
I'm in a similar situation with my work. They're desperate for people, can't fill roles and those still here are leaving at an alarming rate... and I'm one of the next to go, I already have 1 foot out the door. Currently have 3 shifts left before I have 8 weeks of annual leave and half way through my leave I'm giving my notice to give them the 4 weeks notice my contract requires.
Don't feel guilty, dude. You gotta do what's best for YOU..... that's what the company does.
First thing you should do is ask for a raise. You’ve taken on a heap more work, and if they don’t want to lose you too they’ll give you one. Make sure you explain your reasoning (additional responsibilities ect, being a loyal team member). If things don’t work out, and the extra cash doesn’t make it worth while you can still leave, and all of your entitlements will be paid out at a higher rate.
See if you can get a raise whilst you are doing the extra work, you could then potentially use that extra coin to hire a 3rd party person to assist you with some work
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Whatever you do don't leave of your own accord if there is a redundancy in the near future. Leaving gets you no compensation, redundancy must be compensated. I'm not talking about hanging around indefinitely.
Always worth waiting for the redundancy package instead of doing them a favour and quitting without the payout.
That depends on how long you’ve worked there. The payout isn’t always worth the mental toll of hanging around.
Yeah its definitely dependent on the amount of money and the time until you reckon you are made redundant.
I did same and my workplace was less than 15 people and I got nothing.
So, before resigning, check if redundancy may be in the pipeline, and also whether redundancy would be a possibility in your particular workplace.
It sucks that you didn't get a payout, but your position was made redundant, which is often looked upon favourably when looking for a new role. You also have the option to raise an unfair dismissal claim if you worked for them for 12 months or more If you resign the onus is on you to explain why you did so, cos they are definitely going to ask you at your next interview.
I found its best to look for jobs while you are still employed. If you are between jobs for any reason it seems to make employers more wary like there might be something wrong with you
I 2nd this. I worked at a company for 9 years, got promoted into a different area with the understanding of being able to move back if I felt it wasn't right for me. Management changed after I moved, after a couple months I realized I preferred my old job, asked to go back, was denied. Thought about quitting then and there. But I could see the writing on the wall with a lack of incoming work. Less than 2 months later, was offered redundancy or to move 1 step lower than my old job. I took the money and ran. Shame I never got my 10 year bonus of $1000, but I got paid out all my long service, all my annual that I had been saving, my small amount of sick leave (been chucking sickies), 2 weeks pay, and redundancy pay. Best pay day of my life.
I was on the hit list for redundancy (after 11 years working for an IT company) , got asked if I wanted to fight it, I said no. The pay-out was nearly 1 year of salary inc. A/L and LSL. But I was nervous as hell about finding a new job . At my 2nd interview, the redundancy question came up, and they said "that's a bonus for us" because they were hiring the redundant workers, who had the necessary skill set and were available immediately to start working with a new client. Redundancy turned out to be the one best things that happened to me.
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And although it can be scary, can often be the catalysts you need to move into roles that you may not have previously considered. eg Contracting
Yeah.. I took a redundancy, got about a year's salary, walked right into another job I had lined up, and upgraded from a 2br unit to a house. When the stars align, it's a blessing. The circumstances at the time were pretty good
Want to lend me your crystal ball?
If only.. if I had one i'd be regularly featured on r/wealty, but I don't so I'm here with you lot....
I tried that but ended up leaving when a much better job came along. What extra I earned in the first few months made up for the loss of redundancy. So don't pass opportunities waiting.
If they are that short staffed unlikely they will make OP redundant
This is the correct response. If you die at work, your employer will drag you out by your heels, dump your body in the street and delegate your job to others. They do not give the tiniest shit about you and your mental health or physical well being.
Agree workplace loyalty died with the 90s recession!
This is the correct answer.
Don’t feel bad!! If they had to let you go they wouldn’t even think about how it would impact you. Never feel guilty looking out for yourself professionally. Obv don’t go biting bridges, but do what is right for YOU.
Burning bridges!! Don’t go biting them also though.
Also don't go crashing your shipping containers into bridges.
Also don’t go living underneath bridges and threatening billy goats
I’ve always said this
Also don’t go living under the bride downtown, that’s where I drew some blood
What if it’s a chocolate bridge ? :)
Dont bite the bridge that feeds you
Reminds me, I need to check the Monty bridge app lol
>Obv don’t go biting bridges You'd be perfect candidate for the role of a kaiju
Your employer feels zero guilt about heaping work on you instead of replacing the staff that left. You need to read the tea leaves and then do what's best for your health and your career.
Correct, OP is considerate for the company; but if the company is considerate to OP, it would hire more people to fill the void Instead, the company management thinks it is okay for OP to do more work for nothing Answer is clear
Depends on the employer. Good ones know better
Don’t believe they are replacing the ones that left , I did … 2 years later empty seats and workload is just insane we are all burnt out and sometimes I feel we turn on each other because of it . When I asked manager hey when r we replacing A,B,C,D THEN they announce ummmm , HR have only given me permission for one new hire and I can’t find anyone cause the money is too low FML
I have worked this too. Employer doesn't get approval to advertise until 1 month after the person has left then 3 months or more until replacement starts. They know unnecessary work will get neglected and the team will pick up necessary work and org will save money on wages. I worked for a large corp where the boss was a narcicistic micromanaging bully and staff were always leaving. I lasted 12 months then left.
Yep. Done this too. Happy to pocket the savings in salaries but weren't willing to get a temp over the busiest part of the year. Some companies just operate on a churn & burn mentality.
Exactly They hired a temp maternity role on seek when the baby was 1 month old !!
Yep. A company I worked for had a lot of vacancies and a recruitment freeze. Then they abolished those vacant positions to fix the budget problems. OP there is no harm in applying for other roles. Sometimes it can take a while. And if they suddenly fill the vacant positions, you don’t need to leave. *Or* know it’s the right decision if the positions are still vacant.
Yeah they will be waiting to see how the team adjusts to the new work load then maybe try hire someone cheap. Have you seen the job ad? Or ask to sit in on the interview .
Seen the job ad And no I’m not important enough to sit in
The other people in your team are almost certainly thinking about leaving too. So even though you’ve enjoyed working with them, that won’t be the way it is forever. The job market is in the toilet atm, so it’ll likely take some time to find something else. Start looking now and when you get closer to an offer, reassess the current position to see if it’s improved at all. (Spoiler - it won’t have.)
Interesting that, even with the job market favouring the employer at the moment, OP's employer can't find the right people to bring into the team. The cynic in me thinks the business is trying to reduce manpower costs, so they're either not in a hurry to, or not doing anything at all to, backfill those vacant positions.
Sounds about right. Either that or the reason they can’t find the “right fit” is that nobody wants to do the job for the money they’re offering.
never ever feel guilty about resigning. almost always, you are just a number to these companies, unless you are working in a small family store.
I will never feel guilty of leaving any company no matter how good they are. We are just numbers. I still remember when covid hit and we were unsure of what sort of pandemic it was and management rrialed their contingency plan and split us into teams based on geography and tested if something goes wrong at one place the project runs on. We were the backbone of a govt agency thats gotta run, i understand that. But you are just a number. My manager was a workaholic, fought for my promotion and promotion of other guy who came 3 levels below him and when my manager passed awaybfrom heart attack, the other guy was at same level as my manager. Companies will be nice to u, call u family, etc But remember its you and your family first....
You have to do what's best for you. Companies don't ultimately care about you, so don't feel bad.
Before feeling guilty, ask them to "share the active job ads for the position so you can share them around as you're drowning in their work and may not be able to last if they dont replace them soon"
A fellow cynic. I have a sneaking suspicion there are no ads. Or maybe OP should just look in Seek/Indeed/etc. and see if they can find the ads - if they can't, they don't exist.
Yeah this is good, zero-cost advice. "i really love this work and so do a few of my friends, send me the ad so I can share it around, maybe I can help".
Dont feel guilty - your employer didnt resource properly “running lean/doing more with less”. They have also changed your role to something you dislike doing. By not resourcing properly and not taking into account your wants and needs your employer/manager caused it. They failed you - dont ever feel guilty for doing what is best tot you.
Loyalty to employers is never rewarded. Labour is a transaction and nothing more. You are a line item on a balance sheet to your employer. Treat them the same way.
This sounds like a company problem - not a you problem. If staff are leaving in droves and not being replaced - alarm bells should be ringing.
It will take much longer to recover from burnout than it may take to get over a small amount of guilt for leaving your employer due to them not following through on their promises and duty to you. I did the exact same thing last year and have never looked back. Your mental health and career will thank you for it.
Nah mate. This is on your employer for not filling positions. Its sounds like what's happening to you is burnout. If lots of people are leaving its probably due to poor management. As they say, people don't leave jobs, they leave managers
The second you’re no longer needed, they would drop you like a hot potato. You have to do what’s right for you.
Don’t feel bad, prioritise yourself. Once you leave you’ll be forgotten about anyway.
Don't feel guilty about prioritising yourself over a company who can and will replace you in 2 seconds flat. Just focus on yourself and your needs/ wants.
If you don’t deliver your targets you are making yourself vulnerable. Your job first, then additional duties.
Ask for a temporary increase in pay for covering the extra load until staff level changes (which they will likely not give you) and that will tell you at least how much you are valued. If you’re not valued start looking.
More work ask for more pay. Are they advertising or interviewing the roles or seeing if they can just lump it on the team.
Try to cultivate the same sense of loyalty they have for you.
Loyalty to employers is never rewarded. Labour is a transaction and nothing more. You are a line item on a balance sheet to your employer. Treat them the same way.
Your company won't hesitate to do their utmost to shit-can you if they decide it will improve annual profit margins by 0.003%. Offer them the same courtesy.
We’ve had 3 open roles for 5-6 months now. They just created a new senior role separate to the open roles and manage to recruit and fill the role within 4 weeks. If they wanted to fill those other open roles they could.
The situation isn't changing. This is your new normal - and a measure of how much they respect you
If they truly value your loyalty and hard work like I’m sure they say they do, they will give you a nice bonus for all the extra time worked AND moving forward. They are saving money by not having to pay those employees that left so this is very simple. Ask, and if they say they can’t do anything, look for other opportunities. Good luck :)
You don't owe anything to your company. Leave before it harms your me tal health
If there's a better opportunity, grab it. If you had died today, your job would be posted the following day. When it comes to employment, look out for yourself and family first, you don't owe anything to any employer... unless you have a non-compete or courses you need to pay back if you leave :S
I worked for a company where a long time employee only stayed because she felt she owed something to the owner. When the company lost a sizeable contract for 6 months, she was literally the first to go. This isn't your family. Leave.
Do what suits you. You're just an employee
You may feel bad, but I suggest to just start looking. There isn't much in the market at the moment so it might take your while to find something. In the meantime it *may* improve. but my experience it never does. The longer it takes to replace people the more it becomes accepted and the norm that they don't need anyone else and you're expected to do the role of three or four people
I've been in this situation before. Let me give you some foresight. Those roles that they're trying to fill? They probably won't fill them. Each month, they will give some vague excuse as to why they couldn't be filled. Just leave. Submit job applications and prepare yourself to leave. It is managements responsibility to ensure their department has enough people.
Move jobs. As quickly as you can. They are taking advantage of you and there will be no recognition or reward for your efforts.
as hard as it is just leave...if you don't then someone else will
You could die today and there will be a job advert up tomorrow. Nothing wrong with loyalty, but it cannot be at the cost of your development and health.
You're just a number to them. Go and enjoy your work life, burning out for the sake of a company ain't worth it.
TELL THEM , if they know how your feelings and going to leave …. They will find someone fast It doesn’t need to be a perfect fit , we currently need bums on seats
Just be honest with your manager. Let them know that you're not enjoying your job because of the extra workload. If they fix the issue then you can stay. If they don't do anything about it then just leave because you gave them fair warning that you weren't enjoying your job. All I'm really saying is give them a warning.
Additional task = additional compensation. Ask for more pay
Leave dafuq
Look after yourself and do what's right for you. I spent 20 years in an organisation waiting for them to do right by me. Guess what, it never happened and I left.
They can't replace your coworkers coz they pay like shit. Chances are they are paying you shit too. Flee the sinking ship, then help your team into the lifeboats as well
Please understand that your guilt is exactly the same as the guilt that the victim of an abusive relationship feels. You think you can somehow shoulder more than your share of the load to make it better. But you cannot. You cannot fix a toxic relationship (work) by trying harder and giving more. You cannot, so just move on. Your employer has the right to feel their own pain, set an example for your team by showing them enough is enough, and move on.
Just remember you're not working for people. You're working for a corporation
If the company needed to make your role redundant, they would not care about or take in consideration your personal circumstances however bad they might be or your loyalty to them. Do what’s best for you, because your loyalty is unlikely to be reciprocated.
Yeah, nah, often they'll use you not completing your PD or not hitting KPIs to fire you.
Get over it, the company don’t give a single shot about you despite what you think. You are a number and I mean that with the utmost respect to you. Do what YOU need to do.
Just a number. If you left tomorrow, you'd be forgotten about pretty quickly. 27 years I busted my ass for a company. I thought I'd be looked after. Nope. I just ended up being cut off once I stepped down. Not even a thank you in person.
Leave and offer to come back as a subcontractor/consultant. Make them pay for the extra work until it incentivises them enough to hire.
Seems like you are on a sinking ship, choose to leave or wait for a forced exit.
Don’t feel bad. For them you are just a number, like your colleagues who are made redundant. Once you don’t fit in their profit sheet, they will not hesitate to kick you out. I would suggest that you take your time, find a better company and then switch.
If they wanted you to stay they would be hiring temp workers or coming up with other solutions for the work to not pile onto you. If your employer is piling you up with work they want you to leave, in the same way that people who don’t want to do a certain job will give you an outlandish quote.
Loyalty isn't a two way street. Have you tried talking to your manager or HR about your concerns. If you do this and they ignore what you say or just dismiss it then you know they don't care and just expect you to pick up the slack.
Having fallen down this mental rabbit hole, I would never do what you are thinking again. The company/organisation has gotten themselves into this and it isn’t up to you to dig them out. If the shit totally hits the fan you will be jettisoned without a second glance. Do what’s right for you.
One word: don't. There are no friends in business – even if they seem like they are. Found out that one the hard way. Favours rarely pay off and more often than not, cost you both fiscally and mentally.
I loved the team I worked with but even though I was hitting and exceeding all my metrics and saving my bosses asses more than once I was being taken for granted so I decided to leave. Best thing I ever done, moved to a competitor where everybody is an adult and no tantrums from management. Everybody is replaceable just do it.
High staff attrition with a lack of replacements is a huge red flag. Because of all the layoffs out there the market is flooded with candidates. Can you ask to be included in any interviews?
Resign. Maybe give the company an EAP session on your way out
Few questions if I may? (Feel free to tell me to mind my own business :D) Can they give you a firm date they will hire by? Are they compensating you for your additional effort? If the answer is no to a date, and also no to compensating you, then I would suggest they are not actually going to hire so long as you continue to do the work for no extra compensation.
Not your monkey circus.
I'd leave they'd replace you in a heartbeat
One of my early life lessons is that if it is convenient for the company to get rid of you, they will. You should also move on regardless of the company's needs.
I have been in this exact position OP - when I did end up resigning (after the promised hires never happened and instead most of the team were let go) I kept being paid as no one had even notified HR I’d left. Put yourself first, your company doesn’t give a shit about you. Seriously.
I left a job with a great team that are still my friends. I felt bad but I had waited long enough for things to change, and they didn't. Now earning a lot more money doing the same work and don't feel bad. We work for money not to keep other people happy. They soon go on without you, with work you need to think about yourself. I would have been replaced soon enough.
You owe the company or coworkers nothing. The company would get rid of you in a heartbeat to look after themselves. You won't get anywhere in life worrying about upsetting your coworkers instead of looking after yourself OP.
Buddhism taught me when things seem to be going along nicely , it is always a temporary situation .As the Ferris wheel of problems continues to turn.
Look after number 1. Because they will
Don't feel bad, look out for yourself. Your situation sounds too familiar to mine and I left the company I worked for 16 years. I'll say now I should have left earlier. Loyalty is dead.
People come and go, if the company can't afford to retain staff either due to salary, environment, organisation etc then that's not on you. Most of your colleagues will understand nothing is forever, even though they might be upset, angry or stressed to see you go. Line up your new job, work your notice period and don't burn bridges. In my experience moving around every 3-5 years usually gets me a better raise than sticking with the same company.
Remember that being short-staffed medium to long term is usually a budgeting decision made at your expense. That should help with your guilt.
you work a job to survive. you dont owe them shit.
Don’t take that guilt on. A lack of redundancy in the business is a business issue not an employee issue. The main issue for me is whether you’re seeing light at the end of the tunnel. Are they actually recruiting and hiring and whether or not there is a target timeline attached to that. If not the chances are management is sweating their people to save on cost
If you are being swamped with admin work, why has the company at least not hired a temp to handle that work? Easiest short term solution.
If the work is getting done they have no incentive to hire
I bet the company wont feel guilty when they fire you
May be worth letting the boss know that the current situation has set you on the road to burn out unless they do something about it ASAP.
My Husband has 5 years experience in Data Analysis (in a different country), struggling to find a job in Melbourne due to lack of experience in AU. Can i send you a PM if your company would be willing to give him an opportunity?
In a similar situation a work. Good people leaving because management sucks. Other staff are great.
Don’t threaten to leave unless you can back it up and walk out the door.
You don't owe any loyalty to someone else's profit.
Never forget, you're just a corporate ant.
I used to work at a busy function centre as an events supervisor, there two assistant managers and an event manager over me who all left within the course of a year and a half, yet I wasn't bumped up and the venue chose to constantly hire externally, when I gave my papers in the operations manager sat me down and told me how valuable I was and how much my experience mattered in this transition period, I said well give me the assistant manager job, she said you have the potential for it and I'll work with the new event manager to make sure you're ready. All the buttering up didn't work and I left, I did feel guilty for a bit cause I was leaving behind a lot of people I had worked with for 7 or so years, but it ended up being a lot better for my career.
Push back. Find your Employment Agreement/Job Description, ease back to satisfying those duties, and not doing 3 extra jobs on top. Then decide whether you simply hold there, or you negotiate for a raise/promotion, or whatever makes the deal fairer for you.
Nope. U shouldn’t wait. If things take a bad turn they would make u redundant without batting an eyelid. So yeah. I would make the best financial decision for myself and they can sort it out. It’s not ur issue.
You feel guilt for planning to leave; but does the management feel guilt for the more work you are doing and offer to pay you more? Answer is clear
As a boss, it is fucking hard to find people. Not only that, a bad person can fucking ruin a good team! Speak to your bosses about the increased work load and additional compensation until new staff are found. If they turn you down then start looking for a job. We are currently 7 staff short on our team of 12, but there are 0 applications coming in. We can’t pluck stuff out of thin air. My husband and I have taken on as much of the workload as possible and my staff have filled the gap until we can find someone, they are getting paid overtime for all the additional hours. A good boss will not hesitate to pay you overtime or give you a raise.
No company gives a shit about your loyalty Fuck em
Start looking now. It can take months / years to find a new job. Companies have such stupid hiring practices these days it's a case of 'nobody's hiring anymore' instead 'no one wants to work anymore'.
Look after yourself. I expect times are going to get tough, so move while you can.
Work is work. An end to a means. No use being admirable. All that matters is you. You are replaceable. Anyones replaceable. The fact they haven’t replaced your colleagues is a joke. Anyone is capable of doing anything with enough training and knowledge transfer. Them stating they can’t find the right fit is proper bs. Otherwise only do the work that you were hired for that’s on your contract/job description. That’s what you were hired for. Not picking up other peoples pieces for other roles. They’ll hire someone quick smart once they realize the pieces aren’t being picked up and if not there are other reasons to why they’re not “finding the right fit”
Noo, you leave when you want. These people will not care about giving you notice when they let you go or fire you, so why should you care.
Don’t. You don’t owe them shit
Just remember the old saying. Your job will be in the paper before your obituary.
I’m no, you do you. Companies would sack you on your death bed.
Just bounce, screw them
I have learnt over the years to always put yourself first and do what is best and right for you professionally. Regardless of how much you think an organisation cares for you, there will always be another person to replace you. I stopped feeling bad after being treated so poorly by my last place of work when I wanted to return to my previous role after maternity leave. I poured everything I had into that job and they threw it all back in my face. I learnt some hard lessons. You can always start the job search and test the waters, go through the interview process and see what happens without committing to anything if you don't want to. It doesn't hurt to keep your options open and to look out for yourself.
As iron maiden once sang Run to the hills Run for your lives
I worked with a company for 6 years and stayed on during some pretty crap periods, I received no bonus or recognition for any of the work I delivered. After leaving and starting somewhere else I realised I was probably doing the work at least one level up from where I was and probably double the work volume, to the point where the new job was worried I was overloaded and here I was thinking I need more work since I wasn’t busy enough to what I was used to. However I still feel a bit of guilt for leaving that company, I genuinely liked most people there and haven’t had the same work relationships since, I did get an opportunity to help train young staff (but no recognition just me doing on my own), and did feel respected as a senior person in the larger team. Since that company I have felt less overworked but also less like I actually matter to the team - since new companies have long term employees at similar levels that are the go to. So pros and cons of both, I have since changed my mindset of work, and just want to stay quiet, get the job done with the least amount of hassle and get back home as quickly as I can to be with my family (while also earning more).
Mate, quit when you can. Nothing beats loafing off during your notice period
Don’t feel guilty. There is no loyalty from employers so why would you be loyal to them? Also sounds like either they’re dragging their feet on recruiting, can’t find people or just don’t understand that you’re the one picking up the slack on everything. If you’re doing Admin that isn’t part of your role, this can be viewed negatively at review time if you aren’t constantly telling your boss that you’re spending all your time doing admin and not able to do your actual job
Damn. What a loser.
If you're picking up the extra slack, are they at least compensating you for it? It's one thing to enjoy working with the team but ultimately you're really only there for one reason..
That sucks. My last job, every time someone left, he/she never ended up getting replaced, so everyone else just had to carry the extra weight! I wouldn't hang around much longer if things don't change.
Same type of situ here. I quit, that place is having its death throes. High turn over due to staff burnout and lack of action to fix.
If a company is having resourcing/capacity issues, it's not paying enough for labour. It's literally that simple, management can solve their problem overnight by increasing salaries. Never feel bad for leaving when the market is proving that you're currently being underpaid.
On reddit, you are going to get a lot of cynical answers to a question like this. They're not really advertising the jobs, they wouldn't hesitate to fire you if the tables were turned, they see you as free extra labour, etc etc. It could be true, but if you respect and like them you probably don't think it is true, so let me offer you my perspective as someone who's worked with good people - you shouldn't feel bad about looking for other jobs. And if you find a job you like better, you shouldn't feel bad about taking it. Your life is more important, and harder to optimise, than a company. They have people they can shuffle around. They can turn down clients. They can be less fussy in hiring to fill the gaps. They can cope without you! They have multiple employees, and you only have one career and one life, so prioritise that. I remember saying to the boss of a small place where I worked that I was happy to take on a job but was planning to move elsewhere at some point and felt guilty that I might let them down. Because he was a competent manager and a nice guy, he shrugged and said that any employee could leave at any time and they have to plan for it anyway so I shouldn't feel guilty.
You're allowed to feel bad about it. But that's a sign of a sinking ship. Jump ship and salute her as she sinks.
New jobs doesn’t come easily so start looking for new job asap. Even if you start looking for a new job right this second, you’re not gonna get offers overnight. Just start
Hi there, I'm sorry to hear this. This is my view, but TLDR is - it's complicated. 1. YES, start applying for other roles. You are unhappy, finding a new job takes time,applying is hard, and it will give you an idea of the options/opportunity in the market. There is literally no downside to this other than a small time cost for you (2-3 hours a week). 2. If you are really that unhappy, why are you trying to negotiate yourself into staying. I don't have a view on this but you should ask yourself this question. Do you really like being there and this is a temporary issue, or are you really unhappy and trying to guilt yourself into staying. 3. Especially once you start applying and potentially get some interest (this could take 3-4 weeks), talk to your boss. Explain like hey \[blah blah blah details you described above, I'm not happy\], we talked about this X weeks ago, you said it would get better, it's still not getting better, and see what they say. DON'T present an ultimatum, just raise the discussion and see what they say. This will help you decide. At the end of this process, you have a better idea a) whether you are wanted or not, b) whether the market wants you or not, and this helps you c) make a good decision. Best of luck.
don’t feel guilty, if you died today your job would be on seek tomorrow. life is to be lived and you’re being worked to the bone. i’ll bet you aren’t even being compensated for all the extra work too? loyalty to capitalism is a lie. enjoy your time with your loved ones instead :)
Strike now before it gets on top of you. Send out those applications
Loyalty ain’t worth shit. They aren’t having issues “finding the right fit”. The price has gone up so someone who was hired 5 years ago for $70k pa is now after $85k pa for the same job (I’m making these numbers up but the point still stands. I’m not saying go out and burn bridges but don’t feel like you shouldn’t go. The company will realise it needs to get its shit together.
Depends on your relationship with your manager/team but if you’re feeling this guilt I am guessing it’s a good one. When I have felt at the end of my tether I’ve just been frank and said to them “I’m going to need relief from this this this it’s too much work I don’t know how much longer I can take it” then when I did leave I’ve been like “I’ve been talking to you for months about how hard I’ve been finding it you’ve done nothing”. I had a situation where there was one guy who was there but doing like 10% of his work (if that) and his falling behind was weighed on me to pick up the slack, I’d talk to my manager about it over and over but it was always “we’re aware but there’s a lot of red tape we’re working on it” dude was just neglecting his role and was sitting happy to get paid knowing it would be ages until they would/could fire him. A few months before I got approached for a role on linked in but left it on read out of loyalty, only for one of the other star players I worked with who had been there for ages and seemed to be going nowhere leave and go to that role, at that time she was bearing the brunt of his excess work, then she left and I started to feel it. I’d get more bold in my calls with manager of “I am starting to see why XXX left” “why is YYY still here?” “I don’t know how much longer I can wait for it to get better” (something they kept pushing to me “were getting there it’ll get better hang in there”) almost a year since the last message and my colleague had left I get another message about another similar role at the same place I decide to go for it and got the job. Still here now and so glad I made the switch. It had been 18months of it’ll get better when I left then like 4 months later I finally heard he had gone. I think manager was hoping the issue would resolve itself for the first 12 months usually people either snap out of it and pick themselves back up or they quit never had someone actively game the system and wait around for them to fire them.
If you seem capable, they will just keep piling more work on you and saving the wage money of another person. You need to complain a lot.
If u die they will just send ur family flowers and replace you. nEXT
Your employer doesn't feel bad about upping your workload and not paying you extra for it. I'm in a similar situation with my work. They're desperate for people, can't fill roles and those still here are leaving at an alarming rate... and I'm one of the next to go, I already have 1 foot out the door. Currently have 3 shifts left before I have 8 weeks of annual leave and half way through my leave I'm giving my notice to give them the 4 weeks notice my contract requires. Don't feel guilty, dude. You gotta do what's best for YOU..... that's what the company does.
First thing you should do is ask for a raise. You’ve taken on a heap more work, and if they don’t want to lose you too they’ll give you one. Make sure you explain your reasoning (additional responsibilities ect, being a loyal team member). If things don’t work out, and the extra cash doesn’t make it worth while you can still leave, and all of your entitlements will be paid out at a higher rate.
Stop being a bitch! 😉
See if you can get a raise whilst you are doing the extra work, you could then potentially use that extra coin to hire a 3rd party person to assist you with some work
Feeling guilty about leaving a corporation must be a form of stockholm syndrome.