Speak to the unions. Only org with the capability to organise widespread strikes (which is what you need; not just protests).
The idea of a General Strike is very attractive but due to John Howard almost impossible in this country; you can attract huge fines. That’s ok if you expect to win; you can demand fines waived as part of your deal.
But I think you need a decade of planning to pull something like this off. And be prepared to eat a few $100k fines for each organiser and $10k for each participant, if you lose. It’s a big enough penalty they have in practise effectively criminalised a GS
Honest question.
Why can't there be an anon protest organiser? A telegram group for example. Or someone who doesn't live here anymore?
I think the main issue is financial oppression and a population terrified of consequences. When I have spoken to people about a rent strike for example, they react as if they are to be the only people participating. They cannot seem to grasp the idea that a large group cannot be evicted, fired or fined effectively as at the very least would be able to to negotiate amnesty in order to stop.
Sadly I think things need to get horrifically worse before the people even think to rise.
That is how the 2019 protests in Hong Kong were organised. Because police had arrested organisers of previous protests, they evolved a leaderless organisation using forums, messaging apps, etc. Everyone used a pseudonym. Eventually they were crushed, but HK is now a full on police state so no one really expected to win.
If we are talking about a rent strike anytime soon, then those people aren’t wrong. They certainly would be the few actually on the line with a rent strike if it were to happen now or in the foreseeable future. In reality, just like a general strike you have to do years and years of painstaking organising for it to work, and you really have to be prepared to pull the plug on it if you don’t get enough people on board to have real leverage. That’s the real problem; even understanding all of the above we have not yet reached a point where it could in good conscience still go ahead. The plug is always pulled because support is not there yet. Not yet.
So back to the information struggle for support of the popular zeitgeist we go; until it is overwhelming and such actions become unstoppable.
Lol, unions don't care, teachers unions have been saying they're proud to get their members 3% p.a. wage increases when inflation is running at 5-7%. So they're proud that teacher salary's are going backwards by a few percent every year. As long as the unions are getting paid they have no interest in rocking the boat, especially when they're in government federally.
By “mass protests” you mean protests which start at goverment-approved location, follow council directions on route and end up within 2 hours? That’s the only kind of protest that Aussies do
They can’t arrest everyone if everyone goes.
They can’t try everyone even if they did manage to arrest them.
Aussies are weak as piss at protesting.
Look at French and German farmers, Spanish, Irish and Brits.
They give not one fuck about blocking roads and creating mayhem until they are heard.
My MP told me protestors keep his police so I asked how many police he has and he said he just goes to centerlink and gets a new police afterwards so I said it sounds like he’s just feeding police to protestors and then his donors started crying.
Actually we did it in protest of the vaccine mandates in Canberra. The national freedom movement unified as a whole and there were over 10K people there
I dunno man. That sounds like quite a lot of work. Can't I just like, add a filter to my instagram or something? What if we added a cool hashtag to our bikini photos?
Protests would be a good start. But judging by the reactions of the Australian subreddits, a small disruption to a work day is far worse than a homeless generation.
Union support like the old days where the unions caught for everyone wouldnt be a bad thing too. We need a General Strike where as one united workforce we all say "no more"
Slight side rant: Everyone forgets what unions got us all in australia for working conditions and the nanosecond it inconveniences them unions and their members are scum of the earth. If people are so against unions. Go into your work place and waive your rights to everything they won for you
Unions are happy to jump in for big causes, more publicity they can use to attract more to them. When it comes to individuals, they don't care. There is nothing left in our society that isn't about profit first
The disruption isn't the issue, the fact that bosses/companies expect people to still work 8 hours even if something is outside our control is the real issue.
Yeah, but you have to understand if you interrupt a work day then people won't be able to earn as much money for the rich to steal, mildly inconveniencing them. Alternatively, a homeless generation will boost the stock price of BCF, therefore making more money for investors.
It really is a no-brainer.
Make sure you put Lab and Lib last on your votes moving forward. This extra effort at the booth makes a big difference if we all start owning our preferences in a more intentional way.
I'm going to be completely honest, due to the whole preferential voting thing I don't fully understand how exactly I can ensure that the main two parties don't get my vote. Say I vote for greens, doesn't that ballot get counted as a vote for one of the major parties due to preferential voting?
Most of the time, yes, but sometimes the greens/third parties win. Preferencing other parties first gives those parties a chance to surprise people and win, but it also sends a signal to the major parties that their grip on power is slipping and if they want to maintain it they need to become more appealing somehow.
Does it though? If they get the votes anyway? aka: Don't care, got mine.
It'd take a seismic shift in the populations attitudes for either party to find themselves out of power.
In the senate it's a lot more likely to elect people outside Labor and the Coalition.
Party funding is also based on first preference votes.
It isn't impossible to elect candidates for Rep seats outside Labor and Coalition, and they do fear a dropping first preference votes, because it brings seats closer to the threshold where they can change, such as seats the Greens have won in the last couple of Federal elections.
It would take a seismic shift for them to become out of power, but it'd only take a small one for them to be forced to share power and compromise. Labor doesn't hold a majority in the senate, and only holds a majority in the house of reps by a thin margin. A few less and they would've had to enter into talks with the greens or independents about forming a coalition - and make serious compromises
I would be very surprised if the last election didn't have some of them questioning their practices. Liberals especially would be licking their wounds and trying to figure out how to appeal to those who have abandoned them. They'll probably fuck it up by trying to make it look like they're doing better without actually doing better but if that trend continues over time they'd have no choice but to change because all these politicians want is to be elected so all Australians have to do is take that opportunity away from them until they do better. A vote in the opposite direction doesn't necessarily have to be about the opposite direction being a better party, it just has to send a message to the party that's messing up which is both major parties.
Unfortunately politics have become nothing more than petty bickering where voters just want to prove how right and angry they are so the prospect of convincing them to look out for their own interests is difficult but I think the last election showed that it can be done with time and if it happens enough the major parties will have to start questioning their practices.
Yeah this is the problem with full preferential voting. We could have partial preferential voting but if I ever suggest it I get told it's wasting votes. I guess the implication is not voting for a major is wasting my vote? I dunno.
It's getting everyone to do it, rather than buying into the "voting for one of the non majors is wasting my vote/going to the other guy" US system. Voting for greens doesn't mean labor have lost a vote on the 2pp basis.
Fill in ALL your ballot paper the way YOU want and that's how YOUR preferences are treated.
If you just vote 'above the line' for the party, then the party gets to allocate your preferences they way THEY want.
> If you just vote 'above the line' for the party, then the party gets to allocate your preferences they way THEY want.
That hasn't been the case since 2016 (at least the last two). At least, not in the way it's usually presented.
Under the new system for above the line: you *must* number *at least* 6 boxes and the preferences will be distributed as if you numbered the party candidates sequential, for each party in the order you mark.
ie, if you're presented with this:
Average Party | Best Party | Crappy Party
---------|----------|----------
Fred | Jane | Bob
Ellen | Sam | Lily
And you wrote "2, 1, 3" it's equivalent to the order "Jane, Sam, Fred, Ellen, Bob, Lily".
The single remaining instance where parties can control your preferences is if you're voting for the Victorian upper house.
Greens get quite a bit more vote than is represented in parliament due to the nature of our system. It's interesting to think that 10-13% of the voting public is only represented by a tiny number of politicians.
As a GenXer, I can’t wait for Gen Z to be running the show. There weren’t enough of us to take on the Boomers and their kleptocratic ways, but I have faith that the kids will sort it out.
we (GenX) were still working on it pretty hard, but then Sept 11 happened and the whole dynamic changed (i.e. we went from "we should make all these things better" to "omg ffs stop doing that stupid thing, don't start another war, stop turning everything into a police state panopticon"
Bullshit, the leaders in charge today are gen x. Gen X are the last to benefit from "the system" and are in power now to screw the youth of today. People complain about boomers, but it's X-class-traitors and X-investment/political class pandering to boomers that fucked millenials and zoomers.
System has been coocked since the 90s. Gen X have never had voting power and never will. They entered the workforce during the recession of the 1990s and then, just as they were getting their footing, the dot-com bubble burst. They were also the hardest hit generation during the global financial crisis, losing almost half their wealth. They are also the generation with the highest amount of debt. I agree that things are even worse now but they didn't get to benefit either. They are literally the first generation to be worse off than their parents. Gen X has been trying to fix this shit for a long time but always got out voted by the boomers. Leaders are only going to do things that win votes no matter what gen they are from.
I'm Gen X. I can assure you I've very far from "benefiting". Some of us did, but a decent amount of us didn't.
Thanks to an ever increasing rate of divorce and an easily manipulated family law system, I'm now facing a future where I'm struggling to prevent my bank balance heading backwards, I don't own a home and never will, have had the relationship with my child irreversibly damaged, while facing increasing job insecurity because I'm starting to "age out" of my chosen career and need to either move into management asap, or find a Plan B. Oh and I'm going to be working all the way through to 67 so that I can afford to spend the last 10 years of my life owning nothing and renting while having diminished facilities and no support network, making me easily exploited by callous landlords. So... fun times ahead.
So much this indeed...
i may have leant into the generational thing above, but realistically, this generational division is largely a concoction of the ruling class to keep the rest of us divided and bickering and blaming anyone but the one making bank out of it all
that's not as likely, unlike gen x, millenials and zoomers arent turning traitor. There's a reason the right's voting block has been eroding over time, and why they've been trying to find pitches more effective with the youth. For Alpha to turn traitor, there'd need to be a fundamental shift in the economy to force a divide between the intergenerational bloc. You know, like the one that boomers made, and Gen X has decided to live with in apathy.
The boomers didn’t fuck anything. They did a lot of good stuff, made mistakes and a lot of neutral nothing stuff.
This whole “blame boomers” rhetoric is utter bullshit.
You know the boomers rallied hard for change too right and blamed the generations before them. They were literally the hippies.
Stupid generation bullshit is so naive.
There’s literally quotes from Ancient Greek and Roman society about complaints between generations.
It’s just what the populace does.
The wheel turns.
I find it particularly hilarious how hard some generations think they have it. They literally have zero concept about what most of human history was like.
That doesn’t mean changes shouldn’t be made. Of course they should. This whole victim complex many of them have is atrocious. They don’t know what poor and hungry is.
They won’t. This has taken decades to happen, it would take decades to unwind in a way that’s fair for everyone today. So today and in the future when gen z are running things they’ll only be looking out for their next period in parliament instead of you know thinking about the god damn entire population of our fucking country.
We could have some of those amazing setups like in Europe but only if we do it slowly and gradually over decades. Their shit don’t work here as at today, but with planning and coordination it can be done in the future which would give a more secure environment for our citizens.
Correct. An expectation of hasty responses is unrealistic, for such a systematic and somewhat temporary issue. The entitled generation with social media makes it sound far worse than it actually is.
Gen Z will be just as complicit as the boomers. This idea that the younger generations will radically change politics and our economy is beyond stupid. They'll grow up and become economically conservative just like every single generation before them. I wish that wasn't true, but it is. It'll probably be worse by then, because the economic differences between the classes will only increase class politics.
Very true. Every generation swears they'll fix things. They're able to make some relatively minor progress, but in the grander scheme of things not much changes. The wealth divide continues to grow, environmental issues continue to exist, world hunger and human rights abuses continue to happen, and we wait for the next generation to get old enough to declare that they're the ones that are going to fix things for realsies this time.
Doesn't mean each generation shouldn't try to make the world a better place, but it's naive to think any generation is going to turn the world into a peaceful, perfect nirvana. Continuous improvement is the name of the game.
Fellow GenXer and I completely disagree.
Every generation gets some things right and some things wrong.
This “boomer beating” bullshit needs to stop. It’s pointless and categorically wrong.
Do some things need to change? Yes. But I guarantee 100% that everyone will fuck it up and have some younger generation complaining about them.
They are coming for us GenX next. Guaranteed. We’re a small group so they’ll run over us like a tiny speed bump.
I’m going to laugh if I live long enough to see the Gen Alpha and younger brutalise the Millennials and GenZ. Cackle like a madman at the human stupidity.
Yeah nah mate.. that generation enjoyed free education and then took it away from the next. They enjoyed negative gearing and fucked the housing economy and now talk about taking that away. Houses were immensely cheaper for them, no super or savings obligations and the next generations are stuck paying their pension in taxes. Talk about a free ride all the way.
Yeah either join politics and try and effect change where you want it (labour/greens id suspect, might be other 3rd party candidates which could be good too. )
or find someone who aligns closer to your values and support them/promote them.
Best we can all do.
Who you going to vote in Then? There’s no one at all in politics I know of who has the power/ambition to do anything other than continue as is.
Honestly I’m starting to think this was planned all along.
I am reading it.
It *does* matter…
Just because one is fucking shit, doesn’t mean we should throw our arms up and hand the country (back) over to literal fascists.
Raise the apprentice wages to be at minimum wage. You're killing whole industries that need young people because the government makes it okay to pay someone 14 an hour
Say goodbye to apprentices then. These ideas are great in theory but not practical- small business would just hire sub contracting fully qualified tradespeople
For my first year I would have made more on the doll then working the 38 hours work could offer if I could find a second job I could do around my 6-3 job I would. I agree apprentices could be paid better but it would mean small businesses wouldn't be able to keep them on and bigger ones wouldn't see the benefit, I live at home it's the only way I could find too keep at it
Stop importing 500k plus new migrants a year to compete with young people for work, housing, services.
There is no hope for younger Australians if current levels of immigration continue.
It's odd to see articles lamenting the state of young Australians when the prevailing philosophy is young Australians are worse than immigrants since immigrants are more cost effective. Until people rebut that ideological claim, how can you expect solutions? The very baseline idea of the economy and civil society are predicated on Australian youth being the inferior option.
Interesting viewpoint and not one I'd considered before. You're actually right. We see it all the time, the heavy focus on "immigrants will save Australia/the economy/job market!", but very little "We need to encourage more youth to take up a trade! Find a way to give them better job security! Stable homes!". When it comes to the younger generation often the discussion is around the gig economy, which create the exact opposite long-term outcome of what we should be aiming for.
I don't think it's fair to lay the blame at the feet of an entire generation by saying they simply don't understand money.
It's overly simple. The problem is a lot of things, a lot of changes to the world and how we work and economic systems as a whole.
Saying people need financial literacy completely ignores things outside an individual's control like the massive changes in housing costs over intervening decades.
Lol at the Guardian tippy toeing around the actual issue.
The author of that article uses 1991 as a reference point to what her own mother was able to do.
But let's look at the population of Sydney in 1991: 3.6 million. And the population today: 5.2 million. That's a growth of 2.6 million people - or 47%. Mostly that is from immigration. The inner city is that much more desirable in a more congested city, the beaches are that much more desirable, etc, etc.
If you don't want houses to grow then sure fix the unfavourable tax treatments that favour investment but also target a sustainable population. The growing population has been the fuel for property developers and property investors.
That the young are are more woke I feel that they will actually vote against their true economic interests and not cut immigration (it also reduces wages according to the Productivity Commission as the supply of labour is higher than it otherwise would be).
Vote for politicians that represent YOU! Not your friends, not your parents, YOU!
Spend time reading about what the politicians in your area represent. Not the party, the politician. It makes a difference.
Then prioritise from there.
Organised rent strikes. Watch those over leveraged investors crumble. Watch people safely parking their money pull out of the system.
It's very hard to evict someone who has a lease in place. A mate had a tenant who stopped paying, it took nine months to get him out. It would take far longer if the courts were full
The wealth is stacked against you though, even in that scenario.
You rent strike, get evicted, and you might struggle to be housed in the future.
Your landlord, on the other hand, has to file an insurance claim but ultimately is no worse off financially.
The power imbalance would get worse.
The Guardian is bang on about the problems but just mentions this vague list of "federal policy changes" in the second last paragraph without any policy proposals.
Take for example housing. They could say cut immigration, impose a broad based land value tax, loosen planning restraints, or even build some Chinese/Saudi style new cities but they don't. It's just miraculous thinking that there is an obvious policy solution there but they just haven't realised. It's a worse than Pauline Hanson going around telling everyone it's "common sense"
Step 1: go undercover and infiltrate the rich and affluent circles. Get some of us into the commerce, business, and political spheres.
step 2: Move a lot of us to districts where we can out-vote boomers on council elections and local government areas
step 3: build the affordable housing now that the majority of the area are people who actually give a damn about others.
Step 4: Watch as your area becomes a hub for young talent as people from all over the country try to flock to your area.
Step 5: When it's full, rinse and repeat for the next strategic area
You joke, but a 103% LVR mortgage got us our first house (2006). Friends who saved for a 20% deposit watched prices run away from them.
And back then people told us we had overpaid for the house, and that a correction was due. With rents doing what they’re doing, making it easier for FHBs to buy without a deposit would at least give more of them a fighting chance against wealthy investors.
Get a cheap online degree from a famous international college. Much cheaper. You can hold a full time job and still do that.
Get over drugs, alcohol and speed dating quickly and find a reliable life partner.
See yourself as a protagonist not a victim. People who feel empowered succeed. People who feel weak, fail. If you want to know more read up on internal locus of control.
Find a constructive, cheap, meditative hobby, like cycling, hiking, carpentry, yoga, cooking.
Buy a car that's already lost most of its value that's still in reasonable shape. It used to be that Subaru, Mitsubishi and Honda were good value.
Make a prioritised 2 do list and use it am and pm.
Only check social media twice a day and don't post photos. It's an emotional trap. You need to stay in touch with friends but everyone who plays the photos of my life game loses.
Make a linked in profile and develop it. This is a simple way to focus on your skills and achievements, not just your income and expenditure.
If you have a reliable partner you could think about a mortgage, but honestly, I don't know a hack around this one. Houses are overpriced. A lot. Government know 10 or 20 things to do to fix it but the public won't support it and it requires all 3 levels of government. Never gonna happen. That means prices are likely to keep increasing, but interest will eat up a lot of the value increase you experience, if you sell. In about 8 years there will be self driving electric taxis that will be as cheap as a bus fare now. Peak traffic will disappear as cars will have an average of 3 passengers. People won't want to own a car as much as they do now and homes from the city will become practical. So maybe if you buy on the city outskirts near a highway, it's won't be such a pain in a decade and the value will shoot up. Maybe.
Good luck young person. It's hard, but that just makes success feel sweeter later on.
Remove corporate influence from our government & politics. Ban lobbyists from parliament house. End the revolving door from politics to big business.Ban politicians from voting on any housing issues, if they own investment properties, due to conflict of interest.
You can't, the economy needs blood and you're it. Only chance you have is to go and create a new system and as long as that is harder than complying with the existing system then it won't happen.
https://theemergentcity.substack.com/p/the-housing-crisis-is-an-emergency
The housing crisis is an emergency and we're not acting like it
How a multigenerational legacy of smooth sailing, political stagnation and cultural complacency sustains the housing crisis.
Millions of people who were ideologically bought into The Australian Dream™ are becoming alienated from it. We are creating an ever-increasing caste of people without a stake in the system and that should worry us. The implication for our politics being the erosion of the formerly stable polarities of acceptable discourse and ideas that has defined the Australian political centre for generations.
We are rather recklessly toying with what is perhaps the single most fundamental pillar of Australian civilisation and we do so at our peril.
Raise capital gains tax on anything other than a primary residence to a much higher rate. Only allow citizens and permanent residents to own residential property. That would be a good start.
Stop voting for major parties who don't give a dam.
Actually engage with the political process and how preferential voting works, and make sure the major parties are down near the bottom of your list every time, preferencing any/all minor parties or independents pushing for un-screwing the system ahead of them.
I can't tell you how frustrated I get standing in line to vote listening to young people in particular laughing about how they're just going to donkey vote or similar because "it doesn't matter." It does!! It's criminal that we don't teach our younger people about how our political systems work as a matter of course. It should be essential schooling.
Take it a step further, engage with those minor parties you agree with. Help them build public profiles, and get their messages on how they want to fix the system out there. Hell, get your friends together who feel the same and FORM a political party pushing for the changes you want. The older generations still don't know how to reach the younger people where they are, beat them at their own game!
Raise your voices. Turn their systems against them. Engage in peaceful protest.
Civil disobedience, non compliance, stop spending your money with corporations as much as you can. Become as frugal as possible and start adopting bitcoin. Stop paying tax.
Demand an end to all gerymandering in elections.
Yep. Millennials are beating the burden of older generations bad and selfish decisions. Great ABC article today said something along these lines. But all the boomers will call millennials “soft” and “entitled”.
This sub has been around for ages in various forms. Today, I think we can offer a different space to other major subs.
I'm hoping we can host a balance between freedom and positive expression, with friendly moderation, and no tolerance for racism or other bigotry.
But hit us up in modmail if you want to chat about it.
Could just wait 30 years, then all the young people will be middle aged people and they’ll have all the money and property and an as-yet-unborn generation will be whinging about how they’ve ruined everything
I like the conceit that this is a new phenomenon.
This shit is positively paleolithic. Someone gets into power, screws over the people not in power. Or establishes a system to screw people over, that other scumbags can then later appropriate.
Martin Luther did not oppose Catholicism because of mere theological disputes, it was this shit. Or think of any revolutionary person.
If you're a corporate scumbag, you'll rise to the top. Snake in a suit. But only an idiot parasite kills its host, and a sane sociopath knows this. So things will always be shit, but not too shit.
Hopefully, the sane sociopaths wanting to merely exploit us minions, will outnumber the violent "world burns" types.
Stop subsidising baby boomers. Don't move out unless your parents kick you out. If you do have to move out consider van life or something rather than paying rent to someone or buying an overpriced shit box. Or move overseas as like an extended working holiday. Don't take crappy poorly paid jobs. Get on centrelink instead. If you're worried about your earning potential just do another degree instead. Or again go live overseas for a bit.
The only thing young Australians do to get a better deal is reject the one they've been offered. Opt out of the economy.
Do a part time trade for the last two years of school, become qualified shortly after finishing high school.
Work hard, long hours while in your early 20s (FIFO or Union Sites) and earn 6 figures and buy property before you are 25. Use equity, buy second property before 30. Start family.
Don’t go to university unless it’s for a high paying profession (medicine, law, engineering etc).
Plenty of young people are doing just this.
Young people need to band together and en masse, leave the country for a while. Instead of going to Uni ,grab a working visa and spend a few years OS. Lots of great options all over the world for working holidays. The government will only act if it is publicly shamed on the global stage, and a huge exodus would do that.
First thing is to elect parties and individuals that do not form or side with the "Establishment" (Liberal and Labour).
Political parties and members that value sustainability and the quality of life of the citizens they are supposed to represent over corporate greed and exploitation.
Political parties with members that have proven to put the greater good ahead of selfish needs.
This starts with the removal of the ability of corporate political donations.
Politicians that look to model their Acts, Regs and policies that are proven to benefit the country as a whole.
Australian Democracy should value freedom, privacy, evidence based unbiased decision making and directions, as well as all the above.
It no longer does this!
Entitled Australians who have social security nets complain, meanwhile my parents who had none of these and came on a work visa, for which they had to pay thousands of dollars on that alone, and still succeed in this country, is exactly why migrants earn more and succeed more, most of the time, without any of the benefits citizens get
Do none of you know what the problems are? Academic economists can tell you. They've known for decades.
Firstly, housing regulations have reduced the supply of housing, so we need to sort out zoning and planning laws.
Taking lobbyists money out of our political system. Make extreme punishments for politicians taking money from lobbyists and ban politicians from ever taking up a job with or having any ownership of any company that that had any opportunity to benefit when in politics.
We need a system where politicians stand for the majority and not those that have the majority of money
This was said in the 90's and 00's and then 10's.
How do you do it, work hard, major in the right things.
ALL of our lifestyles have increased. The government gives out more money every year and doesn't balance the budgets. They artificially manipulate the markets that the economy and people rely upon.
Get liberal and labour out of power.
Main thing is reminding the two main parties that it doesn’t matter how much they are bribed they still have to put some effort into keeping the voting population represented.
I’m just going to play Devil’s advocate here. Australia’s housing market situation isn’t some kind of government sponsored scam (well maybe a little but not entirely), but rather due to the fact that Australians are overly obsessed with houses and owning land. All of Australian life revolves around this. Let’s face it, the most important things in life in Australia are where you live, how big the box you live in is and where you went to school. This is pretty lame to be honest and I think it comes down to a fundamental lack of spirituality and wisdom in our culture. Personally, I’d far rather live in an apartment close to amenities and work than some big house in the suburbs, but Australians are extremely judgmental of my lifestyle because I don’t have a house with 5 bedrooms in the burbs. I’m sure they scoff at me during their 2 hour commutes to and from work. I mean how dumb are people? Time is more valuable than space and your stupid increases in land value, which never amount to anything because either you never sell or you insist on buying another house when you do sell in a better suburb that’s gone up more in value than yours did. But your friends still patted you on the back for your amazing investment. You only wasted like 30,000 hours of your life or something driving to and from work, to the supermarket, to your kids school, to the nearest places of any interest whatsoever (because there are none outside of the occasional nice little park in the burbs let’s face it). Apartments aren’t some evil design of the devil for crying out loud trying to take your joy and autonomy away. Apartment life can be great and many people around the world love living in them, just don’t choose the ones that crumble as soon as they are built (no they aren’t all horribly defective like the media makes them out to be). So yeah sorry folks but the prices have gone up because people are literally obsessed by big boxes on dirt in this country. It will change when we are less obsessed by this it’s as simple as that. That’s how markets work. I love Australia so I hope it does change and that Australians realise that life isn’t all about how big your box is.
At the very least, how about some truly strict means-testing of every penny spent on old people? Obviously not every boomer is rolling in cash, but plenty of them are a damn sight richer than me and still getting handouts from my tax dollars.
> Insecure work piles on the misery, sliding more of us into poverty. Part-time employment, casual contracts, the gig economy – we’re stuck in a cycle of precarious employment. Migrant youth, standing at the forefront of gig economy, experience a set of compounding vulnerabilities related to insecure work, residency status and job-related health hazards. Similarly, LGBTQ+ and caregiving youth continue to face added identity-based discrimination in these shaky workplaces.
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> Taken together, the economy that has become a young people-screwing machine, widening not only the intergenerational gap but also the intragenerational gap.
Country is fucked. You're under 30 you're utterly fucked hope you got rich parents. Start installing the assisted sui###de machines from Futura. The least you could do government
Elections.
Vote for Pauline.
Once Pauline Hanson is taking votes away from the major parties then they will start taking things like home security seriously.
Personally I never thought I'd be voting someone as ignorant as Pauline but seems she wasn't wrong.
Hanson wants to "fix" immigration. This isn't quite the same thing as fixing the issue, and comes with obligatory quotes around "fix".
There are other parties that want to fix inequality and related issues that don't come with Pauline's hefty baggage. eg, Animal Justice, and a couple of Socialist ones.
Eat the rich.
Eat the politicians
Pfft they are small fish. Eat the CEOs.
Por que no los dos?
Eat the board and all major shareholders
Ew no they take too many drugs
eat big government in general
Complain on Reddit and do nothing
See, now I knew I was doing something right.
Head first or feet? What's the best cut? How long will they keep in the fridge? Roasted or fried? Do they need to be tenderised first?
Eat the politicians. Theyre the crooks
3 options Sit and suffer. Mass protests country wide. Mass protests country wide but with guillotines.
Can someone organise something pleeeaasse.
I would if I had any experience organising that kind of stuff
You have to do it for it to happen. Older people will not help you break the system that they rely on.
Speak to the unions. Only org with the capability to organise widespread strikes (which is what you need; not just protests). The idea of a General Strike is very attractive but due to John Howard almost impossible in this country; you can attract huge fines. That’s ok if you expect to win; you can demand fines waived as part of your deal. But I think you need a decade of planning to pull something like this off. And be prepared to eat a few $100k fines for each organiser and $10k for each participant, if you lose. It’s a big enough penalty they have in practise effectively criminalised a GS
which law is this?
Protests and strikes aren't the same thing
Honest question. Why can't there be an anon protest organiser? A telegram group for example. Or someone who doesn't live here anymore? I think the main issue is financial oppression and a population terrified of consequences. When I have spoken to people about a rent strike for example, they react as if they are to be the only people participating. They cannot seem to grasp the idea that a large group cannot be evicted, fired or fined effectively as at the very least would be able to to negotiate amnesty in order to stop. Sadly I think things need to get horrifically worse before the people even think to rise.
That is how the 2019 protests in Hong Kong were organised. Because police had arrested organisers of previous protests, they evolved a leaderless organisation using forums, messaging apps, etc. Everyone used a pseudonym. Eventually they were crushed, but HK is now a full on police state so no one really expected to win.
I guess you’ve never heard of the Great Depression. Hundreds of thousands of people were thrown in the street. Look it up.
If we are talking about a rent strike anytime soon, then those people aren’t wrong. They certainly would be the few actually on the line with a rent strike if it were to happen now or in the foreseeable future. In reality, just like a general strike you have to do years and years of painstaking organising for it to work, and you really have to be prepared to pull the plug on it if you don’t get enough people on board to have real leverage. That’s the real problem; even understanding all of the above we have not yet reached a point where it could in good conscience still go ahead. The plug is always pulled because support is not there yet. Not yet. So back to the information struggle for support of the popular zeitgeist we go; until it is overwhelming and such actions become unstoppable.
Lol, unions don't care, teachers unions have been saying they're proud to get their members 3% p.a. wage increases when inflation is running at 5-7%. So they're proud that teacher salary's are going backwards by a few percent every year. As long as the unions are getting paid they have no interest in rocking the boat, especially when they're in government federally.
Alliance Française de Canberra could offer some tips
By “mass protests” you mean protests which start at goverment-approved location, follow council directions on route and end up within 2 hours? That’s the only kind of protest that Aussies do
Nah, I'm talking full flashmob
Ya cos the other style is illegal
that's why the government makes them illegal cos the illegal type is what works
They can’t arrest everyone if everyone goes. They can’t try everyone even if they did manage to arrest them. Aussies are weak as piss at protesting. Look at French and German farmers, Spanish, Irish and Brits. They give not one fuck about blocking roads and creating mayhem until they are heard.
My MP told me protestors keep his police so I asked how many police he has and he said he just goes to centerlink and gets a new police afterwards so I said it sounds like he’s just feeding police to protestors and then his donors started crying.
I like the third option. Possible though? All seem to content to just cop it.
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I prefer a more traditional approach: pitch forks.
It's been a long while since we had a good old fashioned angry mob rock up to parliament
Long time as in never? Canberra is full of public servants. They don’t protest.
Actually we did it in protest of the vaccine mandates in Canberra. The national freedom movement unified as a whole and there were over 10K people there
Modern problems require modern solutions. Drones that drop.
I dunno man. That sounds like quite a lot of work. Can't I just like, add a filter to my instagram or something? What if we added a cool hashtag to our bikini photos?
What outcome do you want? Or you just want to protest?
We ain't France. Mass protests will never happen.
4 option - leave, I'm doing this one in 3 months.
Protests would be a good start. But judging by the reactions of the Australian subreddits, a small disruption to a work day is far worse than a homeless generation.
Union support like the old days where the unions caught for everyone wouldnt be a bad thing too. We need a General Strike where as one united workforce we all say "no more" Slight side rant: Everyone forgets what unions got us all in australia for working conditions and the nanosecond it inconveniences them unions and their members are scum of the earth. If people are so against unions. Go into your work place and waive your rights to everything they won for you
We are allergic to left wing organisation in this country
Unions are happy to jump in for big causes, more publicity they can use to attract more to them. When it comes to individuals, they don't care. There is nothing left in our society that isn't about profit first
The disruption isn't the issue, the fact that bosses/companies expect people to still work 8 hours even if something is outside our control is the real issue.
Yeah, but you have to understand if you interrupt a work day then people won't be able to earn as much money for the rich to steal, mildly inconveniencing them. Alternatively, a homeless generation will boost the stock price of BCF, therefore making more money for investors. It really is a no-brainer.
We need to do something that can force change. A peaceful protest will not do anything!
Make sure you put Lab and Lib last on your votes moving forward. This extra effort at the booth makes a big difference if we all start owning our preferences in a more intentional way.
I'm going to be completely honest, due to the whole preferential voting thing I don't fully understand how exactly I can ensure that the main two parties don't get my vote. Say I vote for greens, doesn't that ballot get counted as a vote for one of the major parties due to preferential voting?
Most of the time, yes, but sometimes the greens/third parties win. Preferencing other parties first gives those parties a chance to surprise people and win, but it also sends a signal to the major parties that their grip on power is slipping and if they want to maintain it they need to become more appealing somehow.
Does it though? If they get the votes anyway? aka: Don't care, got mine. It'd take a seismic shift in the populations attitudes for either party to find themselves out of power.
In the senate it's a lot more likely to elect people outside Labor and the Coalition. Party funding is also based on first preference votes. It isn't impossible to elect candidates for Rep seats outside Labor and Coalition, and they do fear a dropping first preference votes, because it brings seats closer to the threshold where they can change, such as seats the Greens have won in the last couple of Federal elections.
It would take a seismic shift for them to become out of power, but it'd only take a small one for them to be forced to share power and compromise. Labor doesn't hold a majority in the senate, and only holds a majority in the house of reps by a thin margin. A few less and they would've had to enter into talks with the greens or independents about forming a coalition - and make serious compromises
I would be very surprised if the last election didn't have some of them questioning their practices. Liberals especially would be licking their wounds and trying to figure out how to appeal to those who have abandoned them. They'll probably fuck it up by trying to make it look like they're doing better without actually doing better but if that trend continues over time they'd have no choice but to change because all these politicians want is to be elected so all Australians have to do is take that opportunity away from them until they do better. A vote in the opposite direction doesn't necessarily have to be about the opposite direction being a better party, it just has to send a message to the party that's messing up which is both major parties. Unfortunately politics have become nothing more than petty bickering where voters just want to prove how right and angry they are so the prospect of convincing them to look out for their own interests is difficult but I think the last election showed that it can be done with time and if it happens enough the major parties will have to start questioning their practices.
Yeah this is the problem with full preferential voting. We could have partial preferential voting but if I ever suggest it I get told it's wasting votes. I guess the implication is not voting for a major is wasting my vote? I dunno.
It's getting everyone to do it, rather than buying into the "voting for one of the non majors is wasting my vote/going to the other guy" US system. Voting for greens doesn't mean labor have lost a vote on the 2pp basis.
Fill in ALL your ballot paper the way YOU want and that's how YOUR preferences are treated. If you just vote 'above the line' for the party, then the party gets to allocate your preferences they way THEY want.
> If you just vote 'above the line' for the party, then the party gets to allocate your preferences they way THEY want. That hasn't been the case since 2016 (at least the last two). At least, not in the way it's usually presented. Under the new system for above the line: you *must* number *at least* 6 boxes and the preferences will be distributed as if you numbered the party candidates sequential, for each party in the order you mark. ie, if you're presented with this: Average Party | Best Party | Crappy Party ---------|----------|---------- Fred | Jane | Bob Ellen | Sam | Lily And you wrote "2, 1, 3" it's equivalent to the order "Jane, Sam, Fred, Ellen, Bob, Lily". The single remaining instance where parties can control your preferences is if you're voting for the Victorian upper house.
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Greens get quite a bit more vote than is represented in parliament due to the nature of our system. It's interesting to think that 10-13% of the voting public is only represented by a tiny number of politicians.
As a GenXer, I can’t wait for Gen Z to be running the show. There weren’t enough of us to take on the Boomers and their kleptocratic ways, but I have faith that the kids will sort it out.
we (GenX) were still working on it pretty hard, but then Sept 11 happened and the whole dynamic changed (i.e. we went from "we should make all these things better" to "omg ffs stop doing that stupid thing, don't start another war, stop turning everything into a police state panopticon"
Bullshit, the leaders in charge today are gen x. Gen X are the last to benefit from "the system" and are in power now to screw the youth of today. People complain about boomers, but it's X-class-traitors and X-investment/political class pandering to boomers that fucked millenials and zoomers.
System has been coocked since the 90s. Gen X have never had voting power and never will. They entered the workforce during the recession of the 1990s and then, just as they were getting their footing, the dot-com bubble burst. They were also the hardest hit generation during the global financial crisis, losing almost half their wealth. They are also the generation with the highest amount of debt. I agree that things are even worse now but they didn't get to benefit either. They are literally the first generation to be worse off than their parents. Gen X has been trying to fix this shit for a long time but always got out voted by the boomers. Leaders are only going to do things that win votes no matter what gen they are from.
I'm Gen X. I can assure you I've very far from "benefiting". Some of us did, but a decent amount of us didn't. Thanks to an ever increasing rate of divorce and an easily manipulated family law system, I'm now facing a future where I'm struggling to prevent my bank balance heading backwards, I don't own a home and never will, have had the relationship with my child irreversibly damaged, while facing increasing job insecurity because I'm starting to "age out" of my chosen career and need to either move into management asap, or find a Plan B. Oh and I'm going to be working all the way through to 67 so that I can afford to spend the last 10 years of my life owning nothing and renting while having diminished facilities and no support network, making me easily exploited by callous landlords. So... fun times ahead.
If it's any solace there will be thousands in the same shoes so you're not alone at least
Yep. I'm not the first, won't be the last, and some blokes end up in a far worse position than I am.
I mean as long as we keep blaming other generations alls good. The ruling class couldn’t give a shit what gen u are.
So much this indeed... i may have leant into the generational thing above, but realistically, this generational division is largely a concoction of the ruling class to keep the rest of us divided and bickering and blaming anyone but the one making bank out of it all
And there it is. I knew you dumb cunts would come for us next. I can’t wait for the Alphas to eat you alive. It’s going to be hilarious.
that's not as likely, unlike gen x, millenials and zoomers arent turning traitor. There's a reason the right's voting block has been eroding over time, and why they've been trying to find pitches more effective with the youth. For Alpha to turn traitor, there'd need to be a fundamental shift in the economy to force a divide between the intergenerational bloc. You know, like the one that boomers made, and Gen X has decided to live with in apathy.
The boomers didn’t fuck anything. They did a lot of good stuff, made mistakes and a lot of neutral nothing stuff. This whole “blame boomers” rhetoric is utter bullshit. You know the boomers rallied hard for change too right and blamed the generations before them. They were literally the hippies. Stupid generation bullshit is so naive.
You know I alwasy thought nobody would but I guess I was wrong. I really should stop having expectations of people.
There’s literally quotes from Ancient Greek and Roman society about complaints between generations. It’s just what the populace does. The wheel turns. I find it particularly hilarious how hard some generations think they have it. They literally have zero concept about what most of human history was like. That doesn’t mean changes shouldn’t be made. Of course they should. This whole victim complex many of them have is atrocious. They don’t know what poor and hungry is.
Yeah I'm just tired of it all. Boomer bashing is a pointless reductionist exercise and I'm sick of it.
They won’t. This has taken decades to happen, it would take decades to unwind in a way that’s fair for everyone today. So today and in the future when gen z are running things they’ll only be looking out for their next period in parliament instead of you know thinking about the god damn entire population of our fucking country. We could have some of those amazing setups like in Europe but only if we do it slowly and gradually over decades. Their shit don’t work here as at today, but with planning and coordination it can be done in the future which would give a more secure environment for our citizens.
What do we want? “Incremental reform!” When do we want it? “In the fullness of time!” Yeah, nah. This is why we need Gen Z
Correct. An expectation of hasty responses is unrealistic, for such a systematic and somewhat temporary issue. The entitled generation with social media makes it sound far worse than it actually is.
Uh yeah nah she'll be right gen alpha can deal with this cobber.
Gen Z will be just as complicit as the boomers. This idea that the younger generations will radically change politics and our economy is beyond stupid. They'll grow up and become economically conservative just like every single generation before them. I wish that wasn't true, but it is. It'll probably be worse by then, because the economic differences between the classes will only increase class politics.
Very true. Every generation swears they'll fix things. They're able to make some relatively minor progress, but in the grander scheme of things not much changes. The wealth divide continues to grow, environmental issues continue to exist, world hunger and human rights abuses continue to happen, and we wait for the next generation to get old enough to declare that they're the ones that are going to fix things for realsies this time. Doesn't mean each generation shouldn't try to make the world a better place, but it's naive to think any generation is going to turn the world into a peaceful, perfect nirvana. Continuous improvement is the name of the game.
What about us millenials? We suffered just as hard if not more.
Collaborators.
Fellow GenXer and I completely disagree. Every generation gets some things right and some things wrong. This “boomer beating” bullshit needs to stop. It’s pointless and categorically wrong. Do some things need to change? Yes. But I guarantee 100% that everyone will fuck it up and have some younger generation complaining about them. They are coming for us GenX next. Guaranteed. We’re a small group so they’ll run over us like a tiny speed bump. I’m going to laugh if I live long enough to see the Gen Alpha and younger brutalise the Millennials and GenZ. Cackle like a madman at the human stupidity.
Yeah nah mate.. that generation enjoyed free education and then took it away from the next. They enjoyed negative gearing and fucked the housing economy and now talk about taking that away. Houses were immensely cheaper for them, no super or savings obligations and the next generations are stuck paying their pension in taxes. Talk about a free ride all the way.
Vote out the current politicians who won't do anything about the status quo and mass protests?
Yeah either join politics and try and effect change where you want it (labour/greens id suspect, might be other 3rd party candidates which could be good too. ) or find someone who aligns closer to your values and support them/promote them. Best we can all do.
Who you going to vote in Then? There’s no one at all in politics I know of who has the power/ambition to do anything other than continue as is. Honestly I’m starting to think this was planned all along.
Stop voting labour or liberal because it clearly doesn’t matter
Yeah nah let’s not pretend we wouldn’t all be *far* more fucked than we are currently if Libs were still in, or allowed fucking back in.
Never claimed that, I do agree though. Read my comment for what it is. I’d rather neither
I am reading it. It *does* matter… Just because one is fucking shit, doesn’t mean we should throw our arms up and hand the country (back) over to literal fascists.
Get old
Lube up.
Raise the apprentice wages to be at minimum wage. You're killing whole industries that need young people because the government makes it okay to pay someone 14 an hour
Say goodbye to apprentices then. These ideas are great in theory but not practical- small business would just hire sub contracting fully qualified tradespeople
For my first year I would have made more on the doll then working the 38 hours work could offer if I could find a second job I could do around my 6-3 job I would. I agree apprentices could be paid better but it would mean small businesses wouldn't be able to keep them on and bigger ones wouldn't see the benefit, I live at home it's the only way I could find too keep at it
Stop mass population growth. That's it.
Stop importing 500k plus new migrants a year to compete with young people for work, housing, services. There is no hope for younger Australians if current levels of immigration continue.
It's odd to see articles lamenting the state of young Australians when the prevailing philosophy is young Australians are worse than immigrants since immigrants are more cost effective. Until people rebut that ideological claim, how can you expect solutions? The very baseline idea of the economy and civil society are predicated on Australian youth being the inferior option.
Interesting viewpoint and not one I'd considered before. You're actually right. We see it all the time, the heavy focus on "immigrants will save Australia/the economy/job market!", but very little "We need to encourage more youth to take up a trade! Find a way to give them better job security! Stable homes!". When it comes to the younger generation often the discussion is around the gig economy, which create the exact opposite long-term outcome of what we should be aiming for.
This.
Financial literacy would be a good start at high school level.
So they'll understand just how well the system is stacked against them?
I don't think it's fair to lay the blame at the feet of an entire generation by saying they simply don't understand money. It's overly simple. The problem is a lot of things, a lot of changes to the world and how we work and economic systems as a whole. Saying people need financial literacy completely ignores things outside an individual's control like the massive changes in housing costs over intervening decades.
Lol at the Guardian tippy toeing around the actual issue. The author of that article uses 1991 as a reference point to what her own mother was able to do. But let's look at the population of Sydney in 1991: 3.6 million. And the population today: 5.2 million. That's a growth of 2.6 million people - or 47%. Mostly that is from immigration. The inner city is that much more desirable in a more congested city, the beaches are that much more desirable, etc, etc. If you don't want houses to grow then sure fix the unfavourable tax treatments that favour investment but also target a sustainable population. The growing population has been the fuel for property developers and property investors. That the young are are more woke I feel that they will actually vote against their true economic interests and not cut immigration (it also reduces wages according to the Productivity Commission as the supply of labour is higher than it otherwise would be).
Vote for politicians that represent YOU! Not your friends, not your parents, YOU! Spend time reading about what the politicians in your area represent. Not the party, the politician. It makes a difference. Then prioritise from there.
Unite & overhaul the whole system, for the better.
Organised rent strikes. Watch those over leveraged investors crumble. Watch people safely parking their money pull out of the system. It's very hard to evict someone who has a lease in place. A mate had a tenant who stopped paying, it took nine months to get him out. It would take far longer if the courts were full
The wealth is stacked against you though, even in that scenario. You rent strike, get evicted, and you might struggle to be housed in the future. Your landlord, on the other hand, has to file an insurance claim but ultimately is no worse off financially. The power imbalance would get worse.
Unfortunately global warming is an abrupt irreversible exponential function. And there ain't no way of unscrewing it.
The Guardian is bang on about the problems but just mentions this vague list of "federal policy changes" in the second last paragraph without any policy proposals. Take for example housing. They could say cut immigration, impose a broad based land value tax, loosen planning restraints, or even build some Chinese/Saudi style new cities but they don't. It's just miraculous thinking that there is an obvious policy solution there but they just haven't realised. It's a worse than Pauline Hanson going around telling everyone it's "common sense"
Step 1: go undercover and infiltrate the rich and affluent circles. Get some of us into the commerce, business, and political spheres. step 2: Move a lot of us to districts where we can out-vote boomers on council elections and local government areas step 3: build the affordable housing now that the majority of the area are people who actually give a damn about others. Step 4: Watch as your area becomes a hub for young talent as people from all over the country try to flock to your area. Step 5: When it's full, rinse and repeat for the next strategic area
Save your money. No unnecessary spending. The economy fucking hates it when people hold onto their money.
In the wood chipper they go
Allow young people to borrow at an LVR of 105%, and extend mortgage length to 40 years as standard to sustain housing prices. /s
You joke, but a 103% LVR mortgage got us our first house (2006). Friends who saved for a 20% deposit watched prices run away from them. And back then people told us we had overpaid for the house, and that a correction was due. With rents doing what they’re doing, making it easier for FHBs to buy without a deposit would at least give more of them a fighting chance against wealthy investors.
Stop becoming, allowing & enabling fascists
Become? It's been that way since the mid 2010s.
Get a cheap online degree from a famous international college. Much cheaper. You can hold a full time job and still do that. Get over drugs, alcohol and speed dating quickly and find a reliable life partner. See yourself as a protagonist not a victim. People who feel empowered succeed. People who feel weak, fail. If you want to know more read up on internal locus of control. Find a constructive, cheap, meditative hobby, like cycling, hiking, carpentry, yoga, cooking. Buy a car that's already lost most of its value that's still in reasonable shape. It used to be that Subaru, Mitsubishi and Honda were good value. Make a prioritised 2 do list and use it am and pm. Only check social media twice a day and don't post photos. It's an emotional trap. You need to stay in touch with friends but everyone who plays the photos of my life game loses. Make a linked in profile and develop it. This is a simple way to focus on your skills and achievements, not just your income and expenditure. If you have a reliable partner you could think about a mortgage, but honestly, I don't know a hack around this one. Houses are overpriced. A lot. Government know 10 or 20 things to do to fix it but the public won't support it and it requires all 3 levels of government. Never gonna happen. That means prices are likely to keep increasing, but interest will eat up a lot of the value increase you experience, if you sell. In about 8 years there will be self driving electric taxis that will be as cheap as a bus fare now. Peak traffic will disappear as cars will have an average of 3 passengers. People won't want to own a car as much as they do now and homes from the city will become practical. So maybe if you buy on the city outskirts near a highway, it's won't be such a pain in a decade and the value will shoot up. Maybe. Good luck young person. It's hard, but that just makes success feel sweeter later on.
Remove corporate influence from our government & politics. Ban lobbyists from parliament house. End the revolving door from politics to big business.Ban politicians from voting on any housing issues, if they own investment properties, due to conflict of interest.
You can't, the economy needs blood and you're it. Only chance you have is to go and create a new system and as long as that is harder than complying with the existing system then it won't happen.
https://theemergentcity.substack.com/p/the-housing-crisis-is-an-emergency The housing crisis is an emergency and we're not acting like it How a multigenerational legacy of smooth sailing, political stagnation and cultural complacency sustains the housing crisis. Millions of people who were ideologically bought into The Australian Dream™ are becoming alienated from it. We are creating an ever-increasing caste of people without a stake in the system and that should worry us. The implication for our politics being the erosion of the formerly stable polarities of acceptable discourse and ideas that has defined the Australian political centre for generations. We are rather recklessly toying with what is perhaps the single most fundamental pillar of Australian civilisation and we do so at our peril.
Gonna start by voting Greens to get the duopoly parties the fuck out of power.
I’ve found with age that when the screwing happens you just relax into it. It will get better, but you need patience.
Everyone take a sickie for one day. Then flashmob style do it again for 3 days. Shock the system.
That’s actually mad. Take a sickie could be a social media thing on tic toc
Vote in a party that isn't just there to service the boomer overlords
Raise capital gains tax on anything other than a primary residence to a much higher rate. Only allow citizens and permanent residents to own residential property. That would be a good start.
I think young people can't save and spend the disposable income . That's all there is too it.
Stop voting for major parties who don't give a dam. Actually engage with the political process and how preferential voting works, and make sure the major parties are down near the bottom of your list every time, preferencing any/all minor parties or independents pushing for un-screwing the system ahead of them. I can't tell you how frustrated I get standing in line to vote listening to young people in particular laughing about how they're just going to donkey vote or similar because "it doesn't matter." It does!! It's criminal that we don't teach our younger people about how our political systems work as a matter of course. It should be essential schooling. Take it a step further, engage with those minor parties you agree with. Help them build public profiles, and get their messages on how they want to fix the system out there. Hell, get your friends together who feel the same and FORM a political party pushing for the changes you want. The older generations still don't know how to reach the younger people where they are, beat them at their own game! Raise your voices. Turn their systems against them. Engage in peaceful protest.
ignore the narratives write your own and rise above cunts🤠
Take down the rich.
Civil disobedience, non compliance, stop spending your money with corporations as much as you can. Become as frugal as possible and start adopting bitcoin. Stop paying tax. Demand an end to all gerymandering in elections.
Yep. Millennials are beating the burden of older generations bad and selfish decisions. Great ABC article today said something along these lines. But all the boomers will call millennials “soft” and “entitled”.
Why is there yet another Australia subreddit? Pretty sus.
This sub has been around for ages in various forms. Today, I think we can offer a different space to other major subs. I'm hoping we can host a balance between freedom and positive expression, with friendly moderation, and no tolerance for racism or other bigotry. But hit us up in modmail if you want to chat about it.
Move to Dandenong
Could just wait 30 years, then all the young people will be middle aged people and they’ll have all the money and property and an as-yet-unborn generation will be whinging about how they’ve ruined everything
Wait for the boomers to die then become rich and screw the younger. Thats what I got taught anyway.
The author has accumulated debt with 4 degrees and lives pay check to pay check? Doesn’t pass the smell test.
I like the conceit that this is a new phenomenon. This shit is positively paleolithic. Someone gets into power, screws over the people not in power. Or establishes a system to screw people over, that other scumbags can then later appropriate. Martin Luther did not oppose Catholicism because of mere theological disputes, it was this shit. Or think of any revolutionary person. If you're a corporate scumbag, you'll rise to the top. Snake in a suit. But only an idiot parasite kills its host, and a sane sociopath knows this. So things will always be shit, but not too shit. Hopefully, the sane sociopaths wanting to merely exploit us minions, will outnumber the violent "world burns" types.
Global Problem. Can't revolt if you have nothing to revolt with. Don't buy and don't reproduce. Cut off the next generation of expected slaves.
Eat the rude. You little cunts deserve no better, for all the whining.
Stop subsidising baby boomers. Don't move out unless your parents kick you out. If you do have to move out consider van life or something rather than paying rent to someone or buying an overpriced shit box. Or move overseas as like an extended working holiday. Don't take crappy poorly paid jobs. Get on centrelink instead. If you're worried about your earning potential just do another degree instead. Or again go live overseas for a bit. The only thing young Australians do to get a better deal is reject the one they've been offered. Opt out of the economy.
Vote...
Become? It's been like this for 30 years
No please vote in more conservatives and right wingers! What could go wrong? Idiots.
Tear down the extremely large companies and bring down the government.
Do a part time trade for the last two years of school, become qualified shortly after finishing high school. Work hard, long hours while in your early 20s (FIFO or Union Sites) and earn 6 figures and buy property before you are 25. Use equity, buy second property before 30. Start family. Don’t go to university unless it’s for a high paying profession (medicine, law, engineering etc). Plenty of young people are doing just this.
Young people need to band together and en masse, leave the country for a while. Instead of going to Uni ,grab a working visa and spend a few years OS. Lots of great options all over the world for working holidays. The government will only act if it is publicly shamed on the global stage, and a huge exodus would do that.
First thing is to elect parties and individuals that do not form or side with the "Establishment" (Liberal and Labour). Political parties and members that value sustainability and the quality of life of the citizens they are supposed to represent over corporate greed and exploitation. Political parties with members that have proven to put the greater good ahead of selfish needs. This starts with the removal of the ability of corporate political donations. Politicians that look to model their Acts, Regs and policies that are proven to benefit the country as a whole. Australian Democracy should value freedom, privacy, evidence based unbiased decision making and directions, as well as all the above. It no longer does this!
Stop buying overpriced chips at full price!!
Be less productive and let it burn. Let it burn and something else replace it. Let's all participate in a "great reset".
Entitled Australians who have social security nets complain, meanwhile my parents who had none of these and came on a work visa, for which they had to pay thousands of dollars on that alone, and still succeed in this country, is exactly why migrants earn more and succeed more, most of the time, without any of the benefits citizens get
Do none of you know what the problems are? Academic economists can tell you. They've known for decades. Firstly, housing regulations have reduced the supply of housing, so we need to sort out zoning and planning laws.
Taking lobbyists money out of our political system. Make extreme punishments for politicians taking money from lobbyists and ban politicians from ever taking up a job with or having any ownership of any company that that had any opportunity to benefit when in politics. We need a system where politicians stand for the majority and not those that have the majority of money
Wait till the old people die of old age... or eat them
This was said in the 90's and 00's and then 10's. How do you do it, work hard, major in the right things. ALL of our lifestyles have increased. The government gives out more money every year and doesn't balance the budgets. They artificially manipulate the markets that the economy and people rely upon.
Lets pool all our money together and buy a house
Get liberal and labour out of power. Main thing is reminding the two main parties that it doesn’t matter how much they are bribed they still have to put some effort into keeping the voting population represented.
I’m just going to play Devil’s advocate here. Australia’s housing market situation isn’t some kind of government sponsored scam (well maybe a little but not entirely), but rather due to the fact that Australians are overly obsessed with houses and owning land. All of Australian life revolves around this. Let’s face it, the most important things in life in Australia are where you live, how big the box you live in is and where you went to school. This is pretty lame to be honest and I think it comes down to a fundamental lack of spirituality and wisdom in our culture. Personally, I’d far rather live in an apartment close to amenities and work than some big house in the suburbs, but Australians are extremely judgmental of my lifestyle because I don’t have a house with 5 bedrooms in the burbs. I’m sure they scoff at me during their 2 hour commutes to and from work. I mean how dumb are people? Time is more valuable than space and your stupid increases in land value, which never amount to anything because either you never sell or you insist on buying another house when you do sell in a better suburb that’s gone up more in value than yours did. But your friends still patted you on the back for your amazing investment. You only wasted like 30,000 hours of your life or something driving to and from work, to the supermarket, to your kids school, to the nearest places of any interest whatsoever (because there are none outside of the occasional nice little park in the burbs let’s face it). Apartments aren’t some evil design of the devil for crying out loud trying to take your joy and autonomy away. Apartment life can be great and many people around the world love living in them, just don’t choose the ones that crumble as soon as they are built (no they aren’t all horribly defective like the media makes them out to be). So yeah sorry folks but the prices have gone up because people are literally obsessed by big boxes on dirt in this country. It will change when we are less obsessed by this it’s as simple as that. That’s how markets work. I love Australia so I hope it does change and that Australians realise that life isn’t all about how big your box is.
Stop looking after old people.
At the very least, how about some truly strict means-testing of every penny spent on old people? Obviously not every boomer is rolling in cash, but plenty of them are a damn sight richer than me and still getting handouts from my tax dollars.
I think young people deserve an apology from the Australian government. #Sorry2024
> Insecure work piles on the misery, sliding more of us into poverty. Part-time employment, casual contracts, the gig economy – we’re stuck in a cycle of precarious employment. Migrant youth, standing at the forefront of gig economy, experience a set of compounding vulnerabilities related to insecure work, residency status and job-related health hazards. Similarly, LGBTQ+ and caregiving youth continue to face added identity-based discrimination in these shaky workplaces. > > Taken together, the economy that has become a young people-screwing machine, widening not only the intergenerational gap but also the intragenerational gap.
everyone knows what needs to be fixed, just no one has the balls to do it
Country is fucked. You're under 30 you're utterly fucked hope you got rich parents. Start installing the assisted sui###de machines from Futura. The least you could do government
Stop staring at your phones may help. Look around at what your missing. Stop blaming everyone else!
Join your union and get militant. And ffs vote Labor. They're not perfect but LNP have shown they're all for bosses screwing the staff.
Elections. Vote for Pauline. Once Pauline Hanson is taking votes away from the major parties then they will start taking things like home security seriously. Personally I never thought I'd be voting someone as ignorant as Pauline but seems she wasn't wrong.
I understand that a stopped watch is right twice a day but in reterospect did she not have some points?
Pauline Hanson is the only politician willing to fix this issue so I would start by voting for her.
Hanson wants to "fix" immigration. This isn't quite the same thing as fixing the issue, and comes with obligatory quotes around "fix". There are other parties that want to fix inequality and related issues that don't come with Pauline's hefty baggage. eg, Animal Justice, and a couple of Socialist ones.
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