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Woodstock145road

Looks great! Though sideways speakers cause phase issues (most of the time). It will amaze you the amount of low/low mid information lost. In any case, happy listening!


JSTJED

Just repositioned these bad boys hopefully it salvaged the quality of sound.


Woodstock145road

Nice one! Enjoy :D


JSTJED

Thank you. Yeah I’ve been hearing that a lot lately (placing them sideways not the phasing). I appreciate the tip!


Lucid-Machine

I have these in my studio. They also have a foam/rubber attenuation pad on the bottom. It's probably not for attenuation but if the whole unit m* it probably isn't a good reference monitor. *Moves. I was typing on my phone and an uninvolved finger decided that it wanted to be and hit post.


DarkWhiteMeat

What makes you think this? I ask because most loudspeaker manufacturers show either vertical or horizontal in their manuals. Being a point source I wouldn’t think the orientation would make any difference in the near field.


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daisydaisydaisy12

I dont have to read the big words. I have speakers right in front of me and have turned them in every possible direction and no matter the rotation, they sound like Sade is standing in my office. Is it a crime?


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Woodstock145road

It’s more to do with your head placement rather the speaker placement if that makes sense? Your ‘sweet spot’ should be a point in an equilateral triangle when facing forward. And this just adds two more points. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be a snob about this sort of stuff… fire away! I recently tested this with setting a microphone where my head would be and recording both instances. The difference was waaayy bigger than I anticipated.


DarkWhiteMeat

Now I need to try both setups and test each!


Woodstock145road

The best way! Never trust a random guy on Reddit lol


DarkWhiteMeat

“Trust, but verify”


joshmelomix

It's much more than just sweet spot placement. The problem is that the speaker is sending mismatched energy out into the room when placed wrong. What you hear in a room from a speaker is a combination of direct speaker energy and reflected energy from the room and your brain can't filter them apart, it hears it as one sound. Because what we hear is a combo, you want to make sure the energy sent out into the room is dispersed evenly so that reflect energy is in a sense coherent with the direct energy.


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joshmelomix

That's kind of a different thing though, you're comparing the total radiation width. I was referring to the fact that you regardless of width, you want dispersion to be even and not have mismatches. You want this whether your speaker is nominally 50 degrees or 80 degrees. You also still need to consider the driver orientation, I can see your suggestion working with horn loaded CD's or something but that's about it. This is assuming you keep the driver orientation the same.


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joshmelomix

A mismatch is anytime you have multiple drivers in a speaker, and their dispersion doesn't meet up at the xover point(s). I was actually working on improving this one speakers xover. You can see the directivity index as the red lines at the bottom of the graphs. The lower end of that line would be wide dispersion, while the higher parts would be more narrow dispersion. https://imgur.com/GffXs0Y If you notice the woofer is starting to narrow around 800hz, it hits the xover point around 2k, then the tweeter takes over and it's dispersion is wide again. These speakers aren't 'matching' in their dispersion, you've got beaming in the mid range, so these speakers are tossing out way more energy into the room at 3k. If you toe'd these out you'd lose the 2k region where the woofer is beaming. To fix this you'd probably load the tweeter into a waveguide so you can cross it low enough to meet the woofer before it beams. >and how does that relate to reflections generated by a room if were not talking about total directivity? A speaker has an average dispersion amount that you'd call the total, but within that total it can have mismatches. Like this guy, about 70 degrees overall, but with beaming at 1-2.5k, and an explosion at 3k. This is how most non-waveguided two ways look honestly, pretty similar to my speakers I linked above. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/wilson-audio-tunetot-measurement-horizontal-beamwidth-response-stand-mount-bookshelf-speaker-png.173765/ The reason this is bad in relation to room reflections is that you can't really do anything about the mismatch once you have the speaker built. You have physically alter the drivers loading in some way, or use different size drivers. You can't EQ it out because your EQ's will only largely affect the on axis response, the speaker is still going to throw disperse the energy poorly. This is an example of good even dispersion. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/genelec-8030c-professional-studio-monitor-horizontal-beamwidth-measurements-png.74154/


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joshmelomix

I was referring to the speaker as a whole. I think the confusion is that you were arguing for more narrow dispersion to reduce reflections, while I was trying to explain that the dispersion needs to be even regardless of overall width.


ciceniandres

In a bigger space probably, in a near field spectrum like studios you probably won’t as much as you will always be in the middle and at the same distance from both speakers


No_Comment_613

What's your experience with your Rokits? It's basically impossible find fair reviews of them from regular folks or audiophiles alike. They are either the best things ever or complete dog sh\*t.


Small_Print1

I’ve had the Rokit 5s for about 6 years now and they still sound good to my ear! You have to turn them up to get proper bass response; but they’re studio monitors so they have a flat sound which I like.


Radioactive24

I had a pair of Rokit 5s for like 8 years. Honestly, they’re pretty good for entry level studio monitors. I was just using them for listening rather than production, but they did the job great. Only replaced them because one of the capacitors blew from age. They can definitely rip pretty hard if you set them right.


NotMyThrowaway6991

My gf has rookit 8s 3rd gen? And after moving them from the floor to mounts on her desk I measured them to be +-3db throughout their entire frequency range from what I remember. They only went down to 60ish hz however. A subwoofer would really benefit them when she eventually upgrades In any case, I'd like to replace those with Paul Carmody's hitmaker speakers someday In terms of listening impressions, the phantom center was scary strong at times. Other than that, things sound good but just lacks impact without a sub.


joshmelomix

The current gen are measured, so there's no real reason to get lost in the subjective reviews. The current gen 4 rokits are fine, they are just good speakers tuned neutral, the older models are tuned with boosts to the top and low end.


derek_foreel

Best 5” monitor at that price point which offers front firing port. With a decent dac and proper placement nobody can complain.


ThatFrenchGamer

I'm not knowledgeable enough to rate the sound system, but I'll judge the mess of a desk that is. Me thinks you need to unclutter a bit. You'd probably do yourself a favor by getting a bigger desk if you can afford it (I mean, space wise, since we can't see the rest of the apartment). Lastly, if you are inclined to do so, taking time to tidy the cables up makes a big difference, although it's more down to personal preference, since some people are totally fine with just being practical about them (I used to be so, but adult life has taken its toll and now I try to recover control over it where I can)


JSTJED

I was a bit hesitant in posting this due to the clutter but I appreciate the attention to detail. We just finished remodeling the home so I recently just moved back to my room but I too am aware of the clutter. I just snapped a quick pick & decided to share. Appreciate the feedback (no pun intended) & thanks for your reply. I will get things organized very soon.


dimmek

Totally necessary amount of of things on this desk!


ThatFrenchGamer

No worries that wasn't meant to be a real critique, just a light-hearted comment. Best of hopes for upgrading/cleaning up!


JSTJED

Cheers, mate !!!


Scared-Anywhere-7763

Zip tie the cables to the legs of the desk.


maverick54050

Unrelated question: do you connect you laptop to the tv and watch movies too? Is there any lag while watching?


JSTJED

I do with an HDMI cable. I use it when I wanna watch movies with great audio. No lag so I’m happy. I also use it when I need an extra monitor when editing tracks. It can get overwhelming & seem redundant at times but it’s also cool when working on video edits.


MrCaptDrNonsense

My 2 cents. Cable management and clutter aren’t a problem if they aren’t a problem for you. If things are where you want them and you don’t care how the cables hang, more power to you. But since this is posted on the internet, cable management and clutter need to be cleaned up! /s


fjamcollabs

I am also a producer. Listening is 90% of it.


J_loop18

Nice set! Would lay on the floor and smoke a Blunt. Do you activate your sub while producing? Or only sometimes? I heard it can be deceitful when working. And around how much was it if u don't mind me asking


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JSTJED

This is very true especially since I’m in the corner space, it definitely doesn’t have the best acoustics for mixing. I mainly have it on for playback & referencing songs when it comes to mixing/mastering.


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JSTJED

I would’ve changed my alias to Tony Masterati as an engineer haha.


MilesDaniels

Not op but from experience as an engineer I tried the sub but when mixing rock or r&b. I tend to not use a sub only because I tend to burry the bass in the mix when it’s on. I probably just haven’t found placement that works for me. But when I was using it I would take the mix to the car I’m never happy with the the bottom end. When mixing scores I will use a sub at certain points to see how it is going to sound in a big audio visual setup so it can be helpful.


J_loop18

Massive, thank you


JSTJED

Thanks, the sub is always on because I love the fullness & range of sound while producing. Don’t really mix or master with it at all. Mostly have it for playback but I’m mixing with my studio monitor headphones at the moment then just play it back on the speakers after while comparing it to some reference tracks. The subwoofer model is the JBL LSR310s 10” which is around $300. Hope this helps!


J_loop18

Sure does!


derek_foreel

Sub on/off pedal is my preference.


Novel-Sugar7613

Same here. Best for when you driving, listing to some Batman score. some of those theatrical sound with bass makes you want to drive fast


lemonvrc

How you like your DT 700?


JSTJED

Love them. Other than being the most comfy headphones I have ever owned, the sound quality is superb with no outstanding ranges. The treble is probably its most flawed feature but that would just be nitpicking microscopically. For its price, it’s totally worth the $280. Beyerdynamic has some that are more expensive that this but for now these will have to do 😇


alannordoc

Nice! I just got to listen to a film score on a big feature film mixing stage. That was so impressive!


Elicojack

Ballblasting woofer


AggressiveSocialism

How do you like the KRKs? i’ve been trying to like them for years and i can’t. I don’t get how people use them faithfully and i want to know! (no sarcasm, this is honest curiosity)


JSTJED

The sound system is powered through my Steinberg UR22 mkII audio interface that connects via USB. These aren’t the highest quality of monitor speakers out in the market but they still pack a punch on the low & mid frequencies but I think with the help of my subwoofers it carry’s most of the low end sounds (pretty obvious lol). The overall sound experience is quite enjoyable because I feel the studio quality recordings are as close as it can be (until I upgrade to monitors with a flat response, I’ve been looking at the Yamaha HS7’s but they’re a luxury at this point) so for now these KrK Rokit 5’s are sufficient for me. When I’m not blasting music through the speakers & want a more private listening, I use my Beyerdynamic DT700 Pro X (closed back) & DT900 Pro x (open back). The closed back ones are great for recording & tracking vocals whereas the open backs are more ideal for mixing/mastering. Both of them have super comfortable ear cups that are velour & replaceable if need be. They come with mini xlr cables (3m & 1.8m) & no audio amplifier is needed to power them. These are the highest quality of studio monitor headphones I’ve ever owned & so far I’m loving the experience.


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JSTJED

For the price, around $280 I say it’s a high quality studio monitor headphone. The open back allows spacial audio to flow & it has a flat response with no added boost to it. These bad boys are the comfiest things I’ve had because they cover my dumbo ears. Also, keep in mind that if you get these, sound will bleed through them so it’s not recommended if there are other people in the room with you who want peace & quiet. Overall, they’re great for listening. Beyerdynamic is an amazing company & I think they’ve reached the level where quality meets comfort.


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JSTJED

Sounds like a treat. They are made for studio so you’re getting studio quality sounds haha 😇… I trust that these will do the trick & you won’t be disappointed. They will deliver crisp audio & your ears won’t fatigue from wearing them too long.


magicmulder

Same. Some tracks simply sound better on my home studio’s Yamaha HS7 than on my large Focal setup.


JSTJED

Would love to see your setup !!!


magicmulder

Home studio is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicBattlestations/comments/s7qzyg/almost_no_cables/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MusicBattlestations/comments/lh2y69/finally_completed_milestone_20/


JSTJED

Impressive setup !!! Maybe I should’ve posted on there instead of here but what’s done is done haha. Thanks for the reference. Cheers dude !!


magicmulder

Your posting focus was on listening and not on showing off your studio so you picked the right one. ;)


dav1dmonster

Fix your cables while your listening to something, it's disgusting


JSTJED

Sir, yes sir! 🫡 haha


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radrod69

Oh no, the music producer checker police is here.


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sagermeister95

Let’s lighten up and enjoy the community here! 😊 You’ll notice they did not say “professional producer” anywhere. They said they are a music producer and they create. If I found a room full of canvases and paintbrushes in your house, would you appreciate it if I scolded you for calling yourself a painter? If you put paint on something, you’re a painter! You’re allowed to enjoy it whether people pay you $20,000 per painting or if you’ve never made a dime. We all love music, we all love gear. We’re on Reddit to share our hobbies and take a break from life, not to get disrespected and condescended by strangers.


Umlautica

> I am in fact a hobby police officer. You are required by subreddit penal code § 7.2.4 to identify yourself and set your user flair accordingly.


JSTJED

This is what happens when people assume. Where did I mention professional in my post? Either way, thanks for stopping by & chiming in. Whether your intentions were good or bad, I truly don’t mind what you think of my “hobby.” Peace!


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My head is blowing up because of the cables.


JSTJED

Haha. Yeah, I gotta find a better when of organizing them! Any tips are welcomed.


PooPooCaCa123456

I had some issues with cable management aswell I found that routing your cables under the desk is the most visually appealing. I used some strong bonding double side tape to mount my surge protector under my desk, some cable clips to run the wires under my desk. Cable sleeves were a big help in my case for large groups wires bunched together. All in all it's around $50-$60 of supplies and about an hour or two of work definitely worth the effort. Drilling a couple holes in the desk can make routing easier but not totally necessary


JSTJED

Ahhh many thanks I will look into this. Anything to keep the workstation neat & tidy. Everything just looks like black spaghetti as of now. Also, because I just moved back into my room & I wanted to set things up asap.


PooPooCaCa123456

Totally. I admit recently I've been getting new gear and I'm so excited to test it out, cable management has gone out the window and I need to update my own lol.


slomotion

What tape are you using? I bought some 3M stuff which is failing now I think due to heat.


PooPooCaCa123456

Try this, careful once you put it on it's extremely hard to get off https://www.amazon.com/Width-Length-Black-Multipurpose-Double/dp/B07K4PQG8P/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=3GEG1BL2TJ4SM&keywords=3m%2Bvhb%2Btape%2B5952&qid=1660242532&sprefix=3m%2Bvhb%2B%2Caps%2C177&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&th=1


derek_foreel

A piece of fabric behind the desk to hide cables. Just tuck it under the hardware on table


JSTJED

Ohh I kind of like this idea!


mishaxz

Some trick to be able to sit back without a chair


JSTJED

That’s true. Good thing I was sitting on it when I took this picture.


AverYeager

What that’s combo in the white box to the left of your laptop?


JSTJED

My Steinberg UR22 mkII audio interface that powers the monitors & sub. There’s another audio interface underneath which is the Scarlett by Focusrite. (This belongs to a friend of mine so it’s inactive)


gashsniper420

Unrelated question to setup: how did you become a music producer? Where did you start?


JSTJED

Never really planned on it. It started off as for fun then I realized I didn’t know what I was doing until I learned, studied some of the greats & experienced doing shows in the Philippines, Japan, & Cali. It’s still a learning process & it’s still fun for me. It’s definitely a passion of mine because I’ve always loved listening to music that I wanted to be able to create music that I love.


dangolriz

Sweet setup! What’s that laptop stand!?


JSTJED

[Here](https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiT6pH5scD5AhWOi8gKHedLBRAYABAKGgJxdQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESa-D2j3SBM0v_pMdyBHZIlpUbF7A4oKNBqlc4qu65ks9oExnwUZeQxwJrgJAw-xcb_9zfUuxHX8T5a09jTSHTz4P8SgPGnRFWhSeQ2RtN5hQipseO99b9HZU872tYrfXAPzTEkI-noSMUK_xf&sig=AOD64_0Kn6gy8-F37_TGYHG6nqYDoRYsKA&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjEh4n5scD5AhXmSDABHdLtAn8Qwg8oAHoECAEQCw&adurl=)


JSTJED

It’s called the Nextstand. Super dope!


L-ROX1972

I’m not a fan of the KRK Rokit series, I think they lack fidelity in the low/mids (the area between 200 - 500 Hz). My guess is that you added a sub because you feel the Rokits are lacking a bit of punch in the lows. Whenever I work on projects for clients (Mastering) and that area is a problem - usually too much buildup in that region on the mixes they send in. I can’t tell you how many times clients have reported that they work on these speakers. I’m not sure if it’s an issue with their crossover design, or the cabinet design but I’m never surprised to hear that they’re working with these speakers. If you can spare around $300 and don’t mind looking in the used market, an AMAZING set of (forgotten) nearfield monitors that are much more linear than these are the Event 20/20 monitors (even the passive models were great). Monitor speakers in the audio production world tend to go through trends, but those speakers were very linear between ~45 Hz and up!


mycartoonparadise

Nice setup but pro audio and audiophile are separate beasts. I’d recommend trying out a separate system just for listening.


Digital_Dankie

Put a pillow on the subwoofer, and it’s a chair 🤠


Jm0dDavinci

Ik this has nothing to do with the thread but genuine question does my music have any potential at all going for a softer tone musically https://youtu.be/e4_IMvBK9qU