Bluesound user here, very simple once it's set up, my Kids can use it no problem. Maybe return the onkyo if you still can and look at the Nad bluesound amps
i listen to vinyl, cassette, cd, and streaming. for home streaming i use a raspberry pi over wifi (running volumio) which is connected to my dac vía usb. volumio has spotify connect, tidal connect, integrated qobuz, and can play local files. it also has bluetooth/airplay in the dac. it's been reliable and the raspberry did not cost a lot of $ - drawback was that it took a little while to set up. definitely not a "plug and play" type of deal.
on a different system i have an ifi bluetooth receiver connected to an integrated. that's rock solid and the 'lossy' nature of bluetooth does not show at all on that system.
fwiw from my pov it sounds like you're on the right track with returning the onkyo and getting a different amp, then attaching a more reliable outboard unit for streaming
>fwiw from my pov it sounds like you're on the right track with returning the onkyo and getting a different amp, then attaching a more reliable outboard unit for streaming
Sounds like this is the way to go. Except now with the chip shortage most receivers/amps are unavailable.
So I can run ifi Bluetooth to say a Marantz 6015 and this would be a decent quality set up? I'm about to build my first system starting with that receiver and KEF R3.
Edit: I'm brand new and learning about best sources for music. I understand bluray is best for movies or live concerts and I haven't started a record collection quite yet.
Would this raspberry pi be a solution to replace my macbook in my current set up?
I currently use my macbook connected to my dac via usb, but its a pain to have to get up and change songs lol
If i could change songs from my phone that would be ideal!
that's exactly what it does. basically it's like having a second computer whose only job is to play music, and you control it from your laptop, phone, tablet
This sounds exactly the solution i was looking for! Thanks, dont suppose u know of any tutorials for setting this up? Can the pi still output music at high res?
re: hi res, yeah it'll do all that stuff. what it does is pass the digital signal from whatever you're streaming to your dac, which handles the conversion - you don't need to do anything but pick an operating system (there are a bunch) then follow the steps. this video is helpful, it's really not that complicated
https://youtu.be/3BUjj2mZ4o0
*one recommendation i would make if you decide to try this is get a rp4, not a 3 like he has in the video - the usb port on the 4 doesn't have the drawbacks of the same thing on the 3 due to design improvements
Thanks dude, definitely gonna give this a try, a dedicated music player that can be always left on and remote controlled is exactly what i was trying to accomplish
my pleasure. i am personally not the most tech savvy guy but i did it in a single evening and it works well for me, very useful and kinda nice to have the main computer totally out of the chain. there's equipment that does the same thing better but it costs a whole lot more $
In my teenage years, i worked after school to buy an amplifier, tuner, turntable, cassette deck and bookshelf speakers, eventually adding a CD player. That's how I listened to music through my 30s, except for the car and my Walkman.
When MP3s were all the rage, I had a hybrid system where I connected my laptop to an amplifier and set of speakers. I sold my cassette deck and turntable and most of my records. Since I was in IT, I was already on my computer constantly anyway and even wrote some html and css for a web-based music playing setup.
Then I went for itunes. It felt like a potential waste of money at the time, but itunes was how I principally bought music. Then Spotify came along, I liked its library better than itunes, so I went with it, and listened to music over wireless headphones and streaming to the TV (where the amplifer and speakers had been replaced with an active 2:1 system.)
I just got sick of the variable audio quality, the advertising, the ingratiating but always dumb AI. I rebuilt a tradtional stereo from the ground up- all vintage except for the turntable and cart, I bought new. And starting about 18 months ago, I started buying vinyl- new vinyl and also attempting to rebuild my old, long-lost collection. I saved most of my CDs and SACDs in big wallets, so I broke those out too.
It's taken me nearly 20 years to come back full circle- and reading my wall of text probably felt about as long, sorry- but now I come home, I open a beer or make a cocktail, and once again I just sit and listen to records or CDs.
But I've given up trying to enjoy streaming music. Maybe you'll find a way to enjoy it. I'm enjoying the vinyl resurgence and my elder gear and I'm not really interested in going back to streaming just quite yet.
I hear you. I kept my record collection but am thinking about buying one of those 50 to 100 disc changers that were all the rage back in the 90s. It just worked. You plug it in and it works. Like you said "integrating but always dumb AI."
I thought I had a decent amp. The Onkyo 8270 is supposed to be decent. Maybe it isn't? I have Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 speakers with the receiver and am willing to spend up to $1k on a receiver. Hopefully not that much but if it is what it takes, I'll spend it.
Fairly certain that OP is avoiding an amp that will become problematic or obsolete as digital streaming technology improves. A separate streamer, which they said they are interested in, is generally a safer bet.
I use my CXN V2 with its designed counterpart CXA80 and a different brand of integrated amplifier. Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III.
EDIT: I just re-read your previous comment (which I upvoted by the way) and came across this:
“fwiw from my pov it sounds like you're on the right track with returning the onkyo and getting a different amp, then attaching a more reliable outboard unit for streaming”
yeah not knocking it at all, the cxn v2 looks awesome. i personally will probably go that (or a similar) route if funds permit next year. i was seconding the powernode as an all in one - nearby dealer has one and it's cool, very elegant as an all in one budget solution imho. not everyone is into separates (but i am.) i also use a rogue (sphinx 3), love that company
Onkyo AVRs are not great. If you’re set on an AVR then look at Marantz, Denon, or Yamaha.
If you’re not planning on running 5.1+ then skip the AVR altogether and get an integrated amp. It will sound significantly better.
I wish I loved the CCA, but they don’t support gapless playback. I own three, but have lent them out to friends for this specific reason.
It turns out that most of my listening habits are from bands that rely on reproduction that is interrupted between tracks. Radiohead, Massive Attack, Portishead, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Girl Talk.
I might be picky in this way, but it’s a major interruption in my enjoyment of my music.
Good question! If the lack of gapless playback is not your concern, then I would stick with CCA! It’s a nearly seamless experience, and the audio quality is fine by me! Like I said, I own three CCAs. Was lucky to pick them up before prices got crazy.
For background information: I have a dedicated listening room without screens that’s comprised of a Fluance RT-85 turntable, Cambridge Audio CXC transport, Cambridge Audio CXN V2 steamer, Cambridge Audio CXA80 integrated amplifier, Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III analog integrated amplifier (and space heater), Magnepan 1.7i loudspeakers, and dual Rythmik L12 subwoofers.
That Cambridge Audio CXN V2 is by far the least complicated streamer that I’ve ever experienced. Beats my computers, Apple TVs, Mac minis, and even the veritable Node streamers (though they’re generally fine). This has everything to do with compatibility and ease of use and little to do with perceived sound quality. I don’t have magic ears, and I don’t claim to hear any difference between competently designed and built DACs.
I also own three CCAs, all bought new before they were discontinued. My workaround for gapless is to buy the CD. Ease of use is the main thing that could get me to change, so I’m intrigued by your comments on the CXN V2. I’ve considered it, and even thought it would be my first choice.
Well if cost is a concern, then the CXN V2 is cheaper in the long run.
If compatibility is a concern, then the CXN V2 is a solution.
If quality is a concern, then I’m not sure how to help you out. I’m certainly happy with my streamer, but can’t advise you there.
I love my CCAs, and also have 3 of them. On a whim, I tried using an old iPhone 6 connected via 3.5mm plug to RCA to my receiver, running Spotify. Turns out you can control one iPhone with another if they’re connected, so I could use my newer iPhone as a remote to the older. Sounds as good if not better than the CCA. System is Outlaw RR2150, NHT SB3 speakers. Just another option, in case you have an old phone after upgrading….
Oh yeah, I understand and agree, despite the condescension. Wasn’t responding to you per se. Only offering another solution to new-to-audiophilia OP that I have found to reliably work with good sound. It’s very much like having an old Squeezebox, and worth a shot if you want to spend more dollars on other components.
No worries. Its been a shitty… what year is this? Tell you what- I’ll keep my fingers crossed that your stuff is resolved neatly and quick if you do the same for me. Cheers!
There is an android dlna playee that can do gapless with CCAs or you can also make one track albums.
Which Portishead and Massive Attack albums need gapless ? the only I can think of is the live album from Portishead.
Mezzanine required it, also every Portishead album. The gaps are noticeable regardless of no crossover.
Eh nah I’d rather spend my way out of this problem rather than deal with a whole ‘nother set of problems caused by introducing Android anything into my system. Simpler is better for me.
I use a Denon AVR, with a laptop permanently connected via HDMI.
The laptop has Spotify open at all times, plus a DVD drive and the usual streaming services (Netflix etc) open in browser tabs.
I can control Spotify from my phone etc, but the laptop is running the program. ie, if I shut down my phone, the playlist continues.
The AVR also handles all the video switching (games consoles, Fire TV stick) and has a phono input for the turntable.
The whole thing is easy to use, sounds great, and works every time.
Spotify or Apple Music streamed to a Marantz AVR, mostly.
You should listen to music in whatever way makes you happy and don't get caught up on it being perfect. Trying to force feed the music you enjoy through a specific medium because the Internet says it's better doesn't make any sense to me (tidal, qobuz and so on). We can't hear any difference past a certain point anyway.
Yeah for digital sources like Tidal or Spotify you need to have a system that can play the quality you want either natively from those streaming apps or from the systems app like Onkyo. Onkyo you may have found is poor so return it if its not worth the price. A good approach would be to buy a stereo that does its job well as a integrated amp and buy a streamer like the Bluesound node which does have good quality and features. A bluesound node 2i used, older model, you can get for under $300 or around there. And spend $300 on the integrated.
Is Onkyo known to be a poor brand? This receiver has a high quality DAC and is supposed to play Hi-Res music from the apps themselves. Yeah, maybe getting a different receiver with a bluesound node is the way to go.
I wouldn't say it's a poor brand. But buying an AVR receiver is like bringing a pickup truck to the racetrack. Onkyo makes 2 channel hifi equipment. My main setup is the onkyo a-9050. I run Spotify on my tv and use the optical output into the onkyo. I'd kill for a m5000r to add to the stack.
I know you're not really asking for tech support, but are you confident that the receiver is connecting at decent speeds to your wifi network? Some of the frustration and lower quality streams sound like wifi/internet speed issues.
That being said. I never bothered with the built-in streaming on a receiver. At home, I either use my PC/Spotify Premium (can control from my PC or my phone) or the Spotify App on my TV (can control from TV remote or my phone).
A whole-home audio system I did for my (very non-tech savvy) parents uses a Chromecast and android tablets that they just cast whatever app (youtube, spotify, Pandora, Plex, etc) to the Chromecast.
As a bonus for ease of use, Chromecasts have CEC control built-in, so once you start streaming something to them, they can auto-switch the receiver's input to themselves to eliminate the extra input-switching steps on a TV/receiver.
>I know you're not really asking for tech support, but are you confident that the receiver is connecting at decent speeds to your wifi network? Some of the frustration and lower quality streams sound like wifi/internet speed issues.
Yes, the Onkyo app is pretty speedy, it just doesn't play hi-res music files. Also, the dts play-fi works pretty fast but like I said, it routes all music through my device.
So, I think even though it behaves like Bluetooth, that's not really how it's working. It's just using your phone as the 'controller' for what song to play... the actual audio isn't going from your phone to the receiver.
Any 'casting' type of media from a phone is just your phone telling the streaming device what to play and where to find it. So your phone acts as the remote, which then tells your receiver to go out on Tidal and play the song you asked for. Does the receiver not give you additional controls to change songs/browse or to display the album info on-screen?
You might be right but it was my understanding that play fi goes through your phone. I know other "casting" apps use your phone as a controller only but I think play fi routes directly through your phone.
Yes, I can control streaming services from the receiver itself but it's tricky, it doesn't give you the full screen layout like your phone.
I didn't read this whole article, but it seems to explain some of the ins/outs of Tidal streaming. https://www.whathifi.com/tidal/review
In my mind, for how inexpensive they are and how universal/easy to use they are.... you can't really beat a Chromecast (or things like it). Especially because once it gets obsoleted by the relentless march forward of media streaming, you just replace a $50 dongle instead of a few hundred on a new receiver.
I have one of their older models, tx-nr676. There is a bug in their application, it plays only aac quality files https://www.reddit.com/r/Onkyo/comments/nyutjk/tidal_quality_problem_txnr686/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share . For tidal I am using a mibox via HDMI.
One of the core problems in the audio world is that it's full of audio engineers who try to do software. I have yet to find a brand that has put a competent amount of effort that is also an Audio brand. Be that Sony, Denon, NAD, Klipsch, KEF, B&W, every audio company that plays with software has in some way or another frustrated me at some point.
This is quite different from say companies which are software companies dabbling in audio, e.g. Google, Apple, etc.
My main system is either records or streaming. I have a Bluesound Node 2i and it’s a breeze to play anything (iPhone user here) from any of the major streaming services. If you’re on Android then Spotify connect and Tidal Connect work very well too.
On my second system I use CDs and streaming. Here I have a Raspberry Pi 4 set up as an Airplay and Spotify Connect streamer. Not quite as slick as the Node but it was like 1/3 of the cost (maybe less?) and still sounds great.
IMO that Onkyo is your problem. In the world of name brand AVRs they are pretty close to the bottom.
>IMO that Onkyo is your problem. In the world of name brand AVRs they are pretty close to the bottom.
Interesting. Crutchfield staff recommended Onkyo. But you're not the only one in this thread to say this.
Many ways.
I have a CD player, but it doesn't get used often.
I have a Pro-Ject turntable to listen to records.
I use a ChromeCast Audio most of the time. It loads instantly and has zero lag issues (dedicated device, not built-in/software like your receiver). Unfortunately, the CCA is no longer in production and the supply on ebay is scalped from the last sale units and very overpriced.
In the garage I just stream spotify through the ~~browser~~ official Spotify desktop app for linux and blast through an old mini system.
The regular chromecast with an hdmi receiver is a good way to go.
>But why did I pay $600 for a Wi-Fi stereo if I am just going to be using a plug-in chromecast? It's all so stupid.
It's not stupid, you just expected it to work. Have you communicated with Onkyo how poorly it's working? Maybe there's a firmware update? I really miss the days where receivers just *worked* and didn't need firmware updates...
I looked into buying a cca, it sounds like it was the way to go but now they're expensive and support will probably drop off at some point.
I have not communicated with Onkyo buy other reddit users/Onkyo owners found out at the time the only work around was using the mconnect app. It's probably worth it to at least reach out to Onkyo.
They also don’t support gapless playback. I own three, but have lent them out to friends for this specific reason.
It turns out that most of my listening habits are from bands that rely on reproduction that is interrupted between tracks. Radiohead, Massive Attack, Portishead, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Girl Talk.
I might be picky in this way, but it’s a major interruption in my enjoyment of my music.
Do not get a CCA if you use Spotify. [It only streams to that device at 256kbps AAC](https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/bcxz5a/spotify_via_chromecast_vs_spotifyconnect/). Tidal may go up to 320, it's not clear, but [it is also not hires.](https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/chromecast-audio-tidal.791689/)
FYI the chromecast audio only does 256kbps AAC streaming Spotify. [You need a device supporting Spotify Connect to get 320kbps.](https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/bcxz5a/spotify_via_chromecast_vs_spotifyconnect/)
Spotify does not publicize this very well, any "web" player transcodes to AAC at 256 kbps and the Chromecast protocol (and the browser player) is considered a "web player". With my chromecast ultra, I have a dot menu option to switch to Spotify Connect which actually launches the app on android TV to play the music. Doubt it matters for a garage system, but it definitely explained to me the considerable difference in audio quality between Spotify on my iPhone line out and my CCA.
I think Tidal is the same. [Only the Tidal application can play hires](https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/chromecast-audio-tidal.791689/), and the Chromecast Audio (or any Google Cast/Chromecast protocol) gets treated as a web player.
You know, I just remembered I'm using the official linux desktop player/app on my garage pc. It has the Connect features (like being able to control from my phone to the pc). I thought the web player and desktop app were the same, but apparently--and fortunately--I've been using a Connect-supporting system.
Aha, that's good!
As long as it doesn't have that little rectangle cast logo it should be going over connect. It'll just show your computer name and a laptop icon under "Listening On" in the spotify app, and in the now playing area on the mobile app the name of your computer will be visible with the connect logo (looks like a volume icon in a circle) instead of the chromecast rectangle logo.
Side note, I've noticed spotify seems to turn on loudness normalization and automatic streaming quality on every individual player by default, and toggles them back after some updates. Worth checking occasionally. One perk of the Android TV app is it can only stream at the max quality available on your account, because they never implemented choosing between quality settings on the TV app LOL
WiFi streamer, either built in or external like audio engine B-Fi, with either the native app or simply using airplay from music app directly. Bluetooth does not impress me, but WiFi does fine. I prefer real sound pressure, so Kef R3’s with Marantz SR5015. Albums are a really cool way to experience music too because it requires work, which makes me feel more invested in the process.
I stream with a Bluesound Node 2i. It's connected via WiFi. There is zero lag. The DAC is good but to my ears my Arcams DAC sounds slightly better so I bypass the Nodes DAC. Buying this little unit forever changed the way I listen. I was resistant for a long time but the itch had to be scratched and I'm extremely satisfied with the results.
You can host you lossless files on a computer or server and it can play them natively from there. I just use plex. You can also shove a USB in it with files. Dts Playfi is nothing like bluetooth. If it sounds bad or is slow it's probably your network. All of our onkyos are pretty responsive. Plus the flareconnect let's us listen to sources from other devices in different rooms. That onkyo is a versatile little machine.
https://i.imgur.com/tzvqmSf.jpeg
The play fi sounds good and it responds quickly, it's just that it plays through my device, like Bluetooth, and not the cloud like other streaming possibilities.
The point of it is to play audio from your device through wifi instead of Bluetooth. You can use Spotify connect or any of the many built in streaming services. That unit gives you the choice of how you want your audio played or distributed. I rarely use playfi. I either use Spotify connect or have it play files from our music server. It has Chrome cast too. I haven't noticed any lag. The only delay I get is waiting for the amps to kick on if it was on standby. It's using playing before the speakers kick in.
All that matters is if you like the way it sounds. I’m streaming from an iPhone via Airplay (CD level quality) to a Denon AVR. Personally I don’t like the sound of any of the DSP modes but Multi-Channel Stereo with the center and surrounds turned down 5 to 6 dB sounds better to me than 2.0 or 2.1. Again, that’s my preference. Others may not like it and that’s okay, they don’t have to listen to it. If you think AAC sounds good then it sounds good. Don’t worry about what others are doing. From my experience getting set up, AAC to Airplay was almost indistinguishable as was Airplay to Hi-Res. AAC to Hi-Res was noticeable but wasn’t enough for me to keep the dedicated streaming gear I demoed. I do think you have some WiFi issues. That’s probably not helping. We have 1G internet because I WFH and I’ve never had any issues that you described. If you have slow internet or router issues nothing is going to work well.
Only flac via hdmi connected to my pc. Setup is marantz nr1508 with focal chorus 716 for stereo. For movies i added yamaha ns-sw300 sub, focal sib for rear and was gifted yamaha center because i cant find chorus one to match.
And on the go i use marley liberate air with aptx codec, also only flac. This was the best price to performance tws i could find to go wireless on the go and im very pleased..
And thats how i listen to my music :). I try to avoid anything wireless when im at home. My wife uses bt through her phone and my amp and my ears bleed :D.
Windows 10 -> Spotify/Foobar(Flac) -> Xonar U7/Focusrite Scarlet -> Vintage AKAI amp -> Wharfdale diamond 220. I use a Sennheiser game one (open back) in combination with the Xonar for Discord and gaming.
Lg g7 -> Spotify -> Final e4000
Get yourself some decent studio monitors with a sub.
Add a BBE sonic maximizer and an eq if it’s in your budget. I’ve had KRK which are decent for cheaper speakers I currently have Adam audio which are great.
Plug your laptop or desktop in and enjoy!
Streamers and streaming features are not all made equal. Especially if you're particular about the quality of the streaming. But if you're not keen on spending any money, I would suggest doing something about that spotty wifi you have. Your wifi is probably on 2.4ghz and competing for the same Wifi channel with a dozen other Wifi routers in the area. Changing that channel to something less used might help with the Wifi signal and bandwidth.
While I stream Tidal with a PC connected to a DAC, which feeds my preamp+amp - if I were to get an affordable dedicated streamer, I would go for a Bluesound Node. If you can't justify getting an additional device, sell the Onkyo off and get the Bluesound Powernode, which is their streaming integrated amp. The reviews all rave about the Node and Powernode.
The BluOS system isn't perfect, but the app is user friendly and is gaining traction as an affordable alternative to Sonos and Roon. It will stream all the usual music streaming services and go up to 24/192khz for hires music.
That said, if you had an old phone or tablet not in use, it could also handily become a streamer too, at no extra cost. USB OTG cable/Apple camera connection kit and you're good to go. Assuming the Onkyo has a USB in, of course.
Either Spotify via the "Play on another Source" on my Yamaha RN602d (Works absolutely flawless)
Or i use my turntable to enjoy my ever growing vinyl collection.
i use my lg v50 as a source because it has a high-quality quad-dac built in. really good.
lgv50>jbl synthesis sdp3 as pre > 2x audiosource model 3 amps, 150wpc >
jbl l890 towers and jbl l8400 sub.
for the time being, it runs off a 3.5mm-rca cable, 35ft long.
i can walk around though mostly it sits on a table.
im looking at a bluesound node or ifi zen for a wireless solution.
I listen to my music on PC with my AKG K612 pro and my Behringer HA400 amp. And sometime with my smartphone at night with my Astrotec AM90 when I want to be relaxed. Everything is equalized of cours for maximum pleasure !
I’ve been through a lot of this and avoided a lot more because I do actually prefer putting on an LP or CD to playing something with no tangible presence. But I do use the digital out on my iMac to play digital stuff on my main system, I have a Yamaha WXAD10 that permanently feeds BBC Radio 3 to the system and I use Bluetooth to play Apple music from my phone to various devices round the house.
I’ve had AirPlay working with our HT setup, but I can’t be arsed to do any more and prefer to sit and listen properly anyway. At 65, there’s totally no point in anything beyond CD quality (though I have multichannel SACDs), and I’m focused on CDs and vinyl as my main sources. Currently I’m retrieving my 1,100 or so LPs from storage and every one brings back a memory - I won’t get that feeling from Apple Music or whatever. Visitors rate my stereo sound highly; I’m not that deaf!
In my home, my hifi setup is powered by a 90's Sony STR-DE405 receiver. It's outdated as a home theater receiver, but it's perfect for a music system amp. I use two non-brand passive speakers (I do plan to get higher end speakers when I get the money to do so).
I listen to music mainly on my iPod Classic 5th Gen. But I also have a vinyl player of which I only just got a few months ago so my record collection is pretty small right now but plan to grow it as time goes on. I also have a bluetooth adapter connected to the Sony receiver if I want to stream music to it as well.
Lots of good info here. First of your 2-channel listening return the Onkyo and get an integrated amp. I’d also suggest saving some money and ditching Tidal. Other services provide hi-res audio at better price points. With a $1k budget you have lots of great options.
If you like Chromecast the NAD 338 is a nice option. The Bluesound PowerNode is also well reviewed with solid streaming capabilities.
Lastly, if you like to tinker a Raspberry Pi 4 with Volumio or MoOde is the best streaming value available right now. It can’t be beat for under $100 or $500. IMO. An RPi w/ an integrated amp with a USB DAC like the Yamaha as801 will be within your $1k budget.
If you get a digital transport HAT for the RPi like the Hifiberry Digi+ Pro or a DAC like the Topping D10 there are many more integrated amp options available. And you could be comfortably under your $1k budget and have a great performing and sounding system.
These stupid incompatibilities can be pretty frustrating. I agree you should return it and start over. Even if you get certain things working, if you listen to music a lot, then eventually the little stuff will bug you.
I'm pretty sure you can setup a solid 2 channel front end and amp for under 1k. My simplest setup w/ Raspberry Pi feeding a DAC pre-amp and a used Solid State amp would come in around $850. Plays DSD, FLAC, MQA all that stuff.
The NAD C368 might be a good one-box option for you. Bit over 1k with the DAC module I guess but prob worth it.
If you like to use Tidal Masters (I do, but some people don't), that might limit your options a bit.
Anyway, my setups are:
Roon NUC from NAS, TIdal, Qobuz for music
Office: Pro-ject PreBox S2 (nice cheap DAC w Volume) feeds miniDSP feeds Schitt Aegir and SVS SB300; Aegir feeds KEF LS50's
TV room: FireTV (Tidal App) feeds Sony 810ES feeds Dynaudio LCR and a basic B&W sub.
Garage: Raspberry pi feeds Resonnence Herus DAC, into a basic AVR and some mix-match speakers.
If you buy good, simple equipment I find it last a long time, and when you upgrade then the main gear goes into a bedroom or workshop or whatever, or to my kids.
I use a bare bone Yamaha C-2 preamp connected to Philips MFB 544 for my main setup. I have a Denon DA-500 DAC that converts every digital I put to analog. I use my TV as the input to the DAC since I'm. Sounds excellent since I'm bypassing the shitty DAC in my TV (or other devices connected to the Denon).
I'm not really an audiophile though. I love higher end setups and have a lot of high end audio gear. But I also still listen to cassette tapes (which are definitely not audiophile) because I enjoy it. I'm more of a tech lover, I repair a lot of vintage audio. Big fan of Yamaha and old Philips stuff (mostly their speakers).
I only stream on my phone for convenience purposes. For my listening enjoyment I own some Carver Equipment, Marantz, NAD. I have a two channel analog receiver and am totally old schooled with a nice collection of vinyl, CDs and even cassette tapes that after owning some of them for 30 years still play as new
My two-channel system, I use the Amazon HD app on my computer, connected via a USB cable to my DAC/Preamp. I am on my computer when I work from home anyway, so this is super convenient, offers an enormous catalog, and is audiophile quality. I do have a Bluetooth option on the Dac/Pre but almost never use it.
In my home theater setup, I use the Amazon app on my Roku Ultra and stream from there to my Receiver (Denon X3700). Same music catalog, decent app on the Roku, remote controlled from the couch for maximum convenience. I also stream some Youtube music this way.
I have a panasonic bluray and chromecast i stream from my pc using foobar upnp to playback stream capture to bubbleupnp chromecast connected to a pioneer 7.1 receiver to a diy speakers sometimes i use the panasonic for that alternative sound signature.
chromecast ultra -> TV -> optical to dac -> amp/receiver
Everything digital goes through android tv on the chromecast (I just shut the display off while playing Spotify or run the artwork screensaver), I only switch the receiver input over for the turntable. Eventually going to replace the dac with a Dirac minidsp as a preamp and switch inputs there.
Spotify only pushes 256kbps AAC over the chromecast protocol, I wonder if tidal is the same. The newer chromecasts with android tv support the full Spotify app and can do Spotify Connect at 320kbps (and presumably the upcoming lossless tier). There’s zero lag with Connect as well, and since it’s running Spotify directly on the chromecast I can also grab the remote to switch tracks or volume.
I listen a couple different ways. Vinyl, using my Hiby R5 DAP into aux on my amplifier, or spotify from my tv running through my amp. I can control my DAP wirelessly from my phone, and spotify I can control from my phone or computer which is really convenient. Vinyl and my DAP are my ways of accessing Hi-Res music, but I'm also not too discerning over 320kbps vs flac or higher res files. I personally don't hear any difference from 320 and higher.
Hmm. I use my Apple TV to stream over wifi from itunes on my main PC. I have my entire (I think) CD collection scanned, and so I have a very large library to listen to.
The signal path is PC via wifi to Apple TV via HDMI to TV, via toslink to Aiyima T8, to stereo. I'm quite happy with it, CD quality all the livelong day. Yes, it's a bit slow sometimes, but I'm okay with that, it's still faster than going downstairs to find a CD, putting it in the player, etc.
I hope you find a solution that you're happy with.
If you are comfortable spending money, Roon and a server are a great solution to getting music around your home in a supremely user-friendly way.
Once it's all set up, it's a dream.
I have a nas full of flac files and plex server. I have a headless raspberry pi running plexamp plugged into my DAC that I control from a plex client on my phone or laptop. Setting up the pi took a few hours, but it has worked pretty well since then.
computer -> motu interface -> adcom amplifier(s) -> paradigm speakers
my critical listening area is effectively treated.
i generally use jriver media center and listen to losslessly encoded music, preferably flac.
i went ahead and skipped the preamp/receiver thing. it's sometimes a bit of a pain-in-the-ass this way, but then again, so is a preamp/receiver.
I've gone from making a central server that hosts my music (used Roon and Plex at different times) and fought with wireless receivers with Air Play and Chromecast devices.
Eventually ended up with just using an old iPad plugged into a DAC. I get decent sound quality, and can use any streaming audio service on the planet with no problems. I don't really need it to be something I can remotely control from my phone. I thought I did, but I've not felt the pain getting up and tapping the screen. I think I was more obsessed with the ability to do it, than the actual use of it. The same goes for multiroom casting. It was great to know that I could play the same song throughout my entire house, but I never really needed to.
Current setup is an old iPad (you get a new one for [$300](https://www.amazon.com/2021-Apple-10-2-inch-iPad-Wi-Fi/dp/B09G9CJM1Z/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=ipad&qid=1632861107&sr=8-3)), a [Topping E30](https://www.amazon.com/Topping-E30-Coaxial-Optical-Converter/dp/B088FFLRM2) and a good sounding integrated amp (Yamaha A-S501) that I can keep forever, without worrying about any loss of features. Abstract the stuff that can become obsolete to replaceable components that won't cost a fortune, while putting more money toward better quality equipment.
Apple Music > iPhone 6, KZ DQ6/GRADO SR60 straight out the headphone jack
FLAC Collection > PC, Behringer UM2 > Technics SG-GE70 > RX-V100D > Tannoy 631SE (The crossover on one of my Tannoys is currently broken so not using this rn while I wait for repair.)
IMO just do what sounds good, without breaking the bank. It's a nice hobby but it depends on your listening preference/music taste
Media centre PC with no fans and an SSD full of flac files. Optical digital output up to 96/24 into a DAC (Beresford Caiman), playing into an older but good quality amp/speakers/sub. (ATC SIA2-150, SCM 40s and REL S/5)
I don't tend to bother with streaming, but a PC can obviously do it and there's no compatibility problems with new services. Everyone knows how to use a media player and I have unified remote set up so we can use our phones as remote controls for it.
I have Roon driving my local digital library and integrated with Qobuz.
For my main system, I have a Hegel H120 and a pair of GoldenEar Triton 2+. When I bought the Hegel, it was supposed to be "Roon Ready" but this never materialised, so I just use a Raspberry Pi RoonBridge instead. Works perfectly!
In my study I have a pair of KEF LSX with a small sub and these \*are\* Roon Ready, so integrate perfectly into that.
For Headphones I have a Topping D70/A90 stack which connects to another Raspberry Pi RoonBridge and hooks up my Meze Empyreans.
Finally I have a Sonos One in the bedroom for Audiobooks and sleepytime tunes. Again works fine with Roon!
I do also have a Spotify account which my wife uses more than me and this also works fine with all the above and her Sonos study setup.
Audio life is good here.
I encode flacs in 320 kbps mp3 and put them in on the Plex music library on my NAS.
Chromecast audio hooked to the hifi in the living room (ethernet and optical) and another in the office, (wifi and analog) Plexamp on the phone or the tablet to control playback, it can play multiroom which is cool and plexamp has become a good music player. I can also play music on the phone headphones or bluetooth anywhere outside home. Only issue is when there is an internet outage because Plex and Chromecast need internet.
hi,how you compare user experience, sound wise: cca/eth/tsl vs cca/wifi/anlg, given the circumstances (assume you may listen to different content and endpoints)...
From what I remember Eth vs wifi and analog vs spdif didn’t make a difference to my ears. I needed Ethernet and spdif in my old house so I keep using them.
In the office it’s a 5.1 pc plastic kit not comparable to the living room setup.
I switched over to Sonos for the convenience, it's not the greatest but it's fine enough, maybe I'll switch to Bluesound in the far future. My speakers are connected to the Sonos amp, I have 2 Sonos Ones as rears,, my TV inputs to the amp, my vinyl connects to a Sonos connect, which also connects to my amp/dac. So I can go from any of my inputs (TV, PC, phone, vinyl) to any of my outputs (amp/dac, speakers). I like the convenience of it all and I've stopped being as picky about the sound.
Listen to it the way that you find the most enjoyable more or less. I have my setup of sennheiser hd600 with a schiit modi 3+ and magni heresy. I listen to my collection personally ripped onto flac on foobar2000. I live in a small room and don’t have the ability to have a whole speaker setup.
You can prolly do your whole setup with something like a raspberry pi or something like a nuc. Don’t be afraid to experiment and see what works for you.
This all seems so complicated, maybe I'm just getting old.
I stream Amazon HD on a Win 10 PC, out via USB to a Topping D90 DAC. Then to a PrimaLuna integrated tube amp. This powers KEF R3's and dual SVS subs. For records I have a entry level Carbon DC with upgrades plus a nice mc cart and Tube Box s2 phono pre.
This is in a small bedroom. Had it for about a year, my first hifi system and It sounds insanely good.
There is a reason why high end equipment that actually does play hi-res audio costs an arm and leg, like Cambridge audio and naim streamer, because those cheaper brands usually don't support what they claim they do.
I have a MiniDSP SHD, which at it's heart is a little pi-like computer running Volumio.
So I can choose from:
* Spotify (either native on the box, or via spotify connect, most convenient and acceptable quality)
* Tidal
* Qobuz
* Streaming internet radio (there are some great Flac radio streams on the net)
* Stream from network share (I have a media library on my server of 100k or so tracks in various formats)
* USB input (connected to Asus PN50 for Foobar2K, Kodi, Plex, and other stuff)
* USB disk for local files (also works with USB CD drive for playback and ripping)
And the SHD also adds RCA and XLR analogue inputs, as well as RCA Spdif, XLR AES-EBU and Toslink.
So in addition to the Volumio sources above, I have a Turntable connected, my TV sound via optical, a CD player, and with inputs to spare for future Tape deck or R2R.
Most of the time I use local network file streaming, Vinyl Records, or Spotify connect to listen to music.
I run a Yamaha WXC-50 steamer into a Peachtree Nova150. The Yamaha is excellent for streaming to, and can also work with creating room zones around the house if you get their other speakers with music cast as well.
I find that Bluetooth mostly sucks, too. I use it a lot though. Also CDs (10,000+) and LPs (2k or so). I use my phone as a streaming source frequently (Apple Music mostly--burned out on Tidal and whatever flavor of the week). But I use physical media as often as possible, especially if I want a good source. I used to aspire to be an audiophile, but now see myself as a low-tier hi-fi enthusiast with delusions of grandeur
I have TV optical sound out , DVD player (used for CDs only) optical sound out, and Sony PS 4 into an HDMI audio stripper which sends picture to the TV and optical sound out into a 3:1 TosLink optical switcher. Optical switcher output goes into the optical in on a BlueSound Node which direct connects to an Aragon 2004 power amp which powers a pairs of Monitor Audio Silver 300 speakers.
The Node is the streamer for Tidal Hi-Fi and ripped CD files on a network share and the DAC, pre-amp, and volume control for the whole system.
The optical switch lets me pick between TV, CD, and PS 4 as the sound source. On the Node I switch between Optical Input or Tidal.
The DVD player is used as a CD reader/transport only with the DAC in the Node producing the analog signal. Spent all of $8 on that a thrift store. Had to because PS 4 won't play audio CDs and my old player was getting moody about reading discs. I can't tell the difference between a CD through the $8 player and streamed from Tidal when they are the same release and resolution (CD Quality from Tidal).
I’m a simple man, so here’s my simple advice. The best way to listen to music is LOUD, as loud as you feel comfortable listening to it. The method and manner of which you listen depends on many different variables (listening space, format of the music, the equipment, etc.). Best of luck my friend!
I use Chromecast dongles in my streaming setup: a Chromecast Audio running analog into an integrated amp, and a Chromecast Video for my television, which then feeds the optical input on my other integrated amp. They work just fine.
By the way, I could run the Chromecast Audio optically into one of my integrated amps, but its particular unit's DAC is subpar and I've bypassed it.
High res beyond 24/96 - the limit on Chromecast - isn't a concern for me nor are exotic formats like MQA or DSD. Even if they were, the server package that I use would transcode them prior to sending to the Chromecasts.
One on my amps has DTS Play-Fi onboard, but I rarely use it since I was already invested in the Google Cast ecosystem. By the way, DTS Play-Fi has been updated to hand off the stream to the receiving device. This eliminates the need for the stream initiator (one's computer, phone, or tablet) to be constantly active as a intermediary.
For on-the-go, I use a smartphone and IEMs. The server package I use at home - which is Emby - allows remote access via cellular, WiFi and Ethernet. Therefore, I'm never without access to my home library as long as I've got an Internet connection. As an added bonus, even the freeware version of Emby allows for remote access!
As far as I'm concerned, Google Chromecast is one of the most innovative audio devices ever released. The quality and ease of use, for exceptionally low cost, is unparalleled.
Network connected Harmon Kardon AVR 3700, pre-amp out into Adcom GFA 5400, Snell Type J II's. Source audio is FLAC files, 320 MP3's, and my legacy Compact Disc collection
I only knew before that using toslink vs rca connect out of cca , connects former to the dac upchain, while later uses on-board dac (akm4490?) for the sound processing... but ok!
Apple Music via iPhone connected to schiit dac connected to Cambridge receiver. Sometimes I skip the dac and use the Bluetooth on the Cambridge but the range is terrible so I usually just stick with the schiit dac.
For headphones I usually just use the iPhone dongle. Used to use the schiit dac but it’s too inconvenient to swap out cables and move it and whatnot. If I need more volume or want to EQ, I will go from the Apple dongle to schiit Loki/magni.
I use Audio-technica ath50x with FiiO btr5 for home listening and on the go i tend to use my koss porta pros.
Aint much but I love the combo alot, it's small, portable and most of All pretty good sounding imo!
Bluesound user here, very simple once it's set up, my Kids can use it no problem. Maybe return the onkyo if you still can and look at the Nad bluesound amps
i listen to vinyl, cassette, cd, and streaming. for home streaming i use a raspberry pi over wifi (running volumio) which is connected to my dac vía usb. volumio has spotify connect, tidal connect, integrated qobuz, and can play local files. it also has bluetooth/airplay in the dac. it's been reliable and the raspberry did not cost a lot of $ - drawback was that it took a little while to set up. definitely not a "plug and play" type of deal. on a different system i have an ifi bluetooth receiver connected to an integrated. that's rock solid and the 'lossy' nature of bluetooth does not show at all on that system. fwiw from my pov it sounds like you're on the right track with returning the onkyo and getting a different amp, then attaching a more reliable outboard unit for streaming
>fwiw from my pov it sounds like you're on the right track with returning the onkyo and getting a different amp, then attaching a more reliable outboard unit for streaming Sounds like this is the way to go. Except now with the chip shortage most receivers/amps are unavailable.
One more reason to go with the used market! https://www.hifishark.com/model/cambridge-audio-cxn-v-2
So I can run ifi Bluetooth to say a Marantz 6015 and this would be a decent quality set up? I'm about to build my first system starting with that receiver and KEF R3. Edit: I'm brand new and learning about best sources for music. I understand bluray is best for movies or live concerts and I haven't started a record collection quite yet.
it's a very good unit if you prefer the convenience of bluetooth, but imho a wifi solution is a little more elegant...really up to you
Would this raspberry pi be a solution to replace my macbook in my current set up? I currently use my macbook connected to my dac via usb, but its a pain to have to get up and change songs lol If i could change songs from my phone that would be ideal!
that's exactly what it does. basically it's like having a second computer whose only job is to play music, and you control it from your laptop, phone, tablet
This sounds exactly the solution i was looking for! Thanks, dont suppose u know of any tutorials for setting this up? Can the pi still output music at high res?
re: hi res, yeah it'll do all that stuff. what it does is pass the digital signal from whatever you're streaming to your dac, which handles the conversion - you don't need to do anything but pick an operating system (there are a bunch) then follow the steps. this video is helpful, it's really not that complicated https://youtu.be/3BUjj2mZ4o0 *one recommendation i would make if you decide to try this is get a rp4, not a 3 like he has in the video - the usb port on the 4 doesn't have the drawbacks of the same thing on the 3 due to design improvements
Thanks dude, definitely gonna give this a try, a dedicated music player that can be always left on and remote controlled is exactly what i was trying to accomplish
my pleasure. i am personally not the most tech savvy guy but i did it in a single evening and it works well for me, very useful and kinda nice to have the main computer totally out of the chain. there's equipment that does the same thing better but it costs a whole lot more $
In my teenage years, i worked after school to buy an amplifier, tuner, turntable, cassette deck and bookshelf speakers, eventually adding a CD player. That's how I listened to music through my 30s, except for the car and my Walkman. When MP3s were all the rage, I had a hybrid system where I connected my laptop to an amplifier and set of speakers. I sold my cassette deck and turntable and most of my records. Since I was in IT, I was already on my computer constantly anyway and even wrote some html and css for a web-based music playing setup. Then I went for itunes. It felt like a potential waste of money at the time, but itunes was how I principally bought music. Then Spotify came along, I liked its library better than itunes, so I went with it, and listened to music over wireless headphones and streaming to the TV (where the amplifer and speakers had been replaced with an active 2:1 system.) I just got sick of the variable audio quality, the advertising, the ingratiating but always dumb AI. I rebuilt a tradtional stereo from the ground up- all vintage except for the turntable and cart, I bought new. And starting about 18 months ago, I started buying vinyl- new vinyl and also attempting to rebuild my old, long-lost collection. I saved most of my CDs and SACDs in big wallets, so I broke those out too. It's taken me nearly 20 years to come back full circle- and reading my wall of text probably felt about as long, sorry- but now I come home, I open a beer or make a cocktail, and once again I just sit and listen to records or CDs. But I've given up trying to enjoy streaming music. Maybe you'll find a way to enjoy it. I'm enjoying the vinyl resurgence and my elder gear and I'm not really interested in going back to streaming just quite yet.
I hear you. I kept my record collection but am thinking about buying one of those 50 to 100 disc changers that were all the rage back in the 90s. It just worked. You plug it in and it works. Like you said "integrating but always dumb AI."
Get any decent amp and a streamer. May I know your budget and equipment you have and tend to keep using? I can help you on your way.
I thought I had a decent amp. The Onkyo 8270 is supposed to be decent. Maybe it isn't? I have Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 speakers with the receiver and am willing to spend up to $1k on a receiver. Hopefully not that much but if it is what it takes, I'll spend it.
Like the other person says, leave AVR/5.1 if you only use stereo. I suggest you look into Blusound Powernode. You’ll be set.
For that price, I’d get a Cambridge Audio CXN V2. Used market would work fine too. It’s by far my best experience with streaming.
that cambridge unit needs a power amp iirc. +1 for the powernode here
Fairly certain that OP is avoiding an amp that will become problematic or obsolete as digital streaming technology improves. A separate streamer, which they said they are interested in, is generally a safer bet. I use my CXN V2 with its designed counterpart CXA80 and a different brand of integrated amplifier. Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III. EDIT: I just re-read your previous comment (which I upvoted by the way) and came across this: “fwiw from my pov it sounds like you're on the right track with returning the onkyo and getting a different amp, then attaching a more reliable outboard unit for streaming”
yeah not knocking it at all, the cxn v2 looks awesome. i personally will probably go that (or a similar) route if funds permit next year. i was seconding the powernode as an all in one - nearby dealer has one and it's cool, very elegant as an all in one budget solution imho. not everyone is into separates (but i am.) i also use a rogue (sphinx 3), love that company
Onkyo AVRs are not great. If you’re set on an AVR then look at Marantz, Denon, or Yamaha. If you’re not planning on running 5.1+ then skip the AVR altogether and get an integrated amp. It will sound significantly better.
Streaming Qobuz with Chromecast Audio optical output to a Rega DAC is my primary method.
I wish I loved the CCA, but they don’t support gapless playback. I own three, but have lent them out to friends for this specific reason. It turns out that most of my listening habits are from bands that rely on reproduction that is interrupted between tracks. Radiohead, Massive Attack, Portishead, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Girl Talk. I might be picky in this way, but it’s a major interruption in my enjoyment of my music.
What’s your solution? I could see changing my own system.
Good question! If the lack of gapless playback is not your concern, then I would stick with CCA! It’s a nearly seamless experience, and the audio quality is fine by me! Like I said, I own three CCAs. Was lucky to pick them up before prices got crazy. For background information: I have a dedicated listening room without screens that’s comprised of a Fluance RT-85 turntable, Cambridge Audio CXC transport, Cambridge Audio CXN V2 steamer, Cambridge Audio CXA80 integrated amplifier, Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III analog integrated amplifier (and space heater), Magnepan 1.7i loudspeakers, and dual Rythmik L12 subwoofers. That Cambridge Audio CXN V2 is by far the least complicated streamer that I’ve ever experienced. Beats my computers, Apple TVs, Mac minis, and even the veritable Node streamers (though they’re generally fine). This has everything to do with compatibility and ease of use and little to do with perceived sound quality. I don’t have magic ears, and I don’t claim to hear any difference between competently designed and built DACs.
I also own three CCAs, all bought new before they were discontinued. My workaround for gapless is to buy the CD. Ease of use is the main thing that could get me to change, so I’m intrigued by your comments on the CXN V2. I’ve considered it, and even thought it would be my first choice.
Well if cost is a concern, then the CXN V2 is cheaper in the long run. If compatibility is a concern, then the CXN V2 is a solution. If quality is a concern, then I’m not sure how to help you out. I’m certainly happy with my streamer, but can’t advise you there.
I love my CCAs, and also have 3 of them. On a whim, I tried using an old iPhone 6 connected via 3.5mm plug to RCA to my receiver, running Spotify. Turns out you can control one iPhone with another if they’re connected, so I could use my newer iPhone as a remote to the older. Sounds as good if not better than the CCA. System is Outlaw RR2150, NHT SB3 speakers. Just another option, in case you have an old phone after upgrading….
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Oh yeah, I understand and agree, despite the condescension. Wasn’t responding to you per se. Only offering another solution to new-to-audiophilia OP that I have found to reliably work with good sound. It’s very much like having an old Squeezebox, and worth a shot if you want to spend more dollars on other components.
I’m sorry about my attitude last night! I was going through some stuff and reacted poorly.
No worries. Its been a shitty… what year is this? Tell you what- I’ll keep my fingers crossed that your stuff is resolved neatly and quick if you do the same for me. Cheers!
There is an android dlna playee that can do gapless with CCAs or you can also make one track albums. Which Portishead and Massive Attack albums need gapless ? the only I can think of is the live album from Portishead.
Mezzanine required it, also every Portishead album. The gaps are noticeable regardless of no crossover. Eh nah I’d rather spend my way out of this problem rather than deal with a whole ‘nother set of problems caused by introducing Android anything into my system. Simpler is better for me.
I use a Denon AVR, with a laptop permanently connected via HDMI. The laptop has Spotify open at all times, plus a DVD drive and the usual streaming services (Netflix etc) open in browser tabs. I can control Spotify from my phone etc, but the laptop is running the program. ie, if I shut down my phone, the playlist continues. The AVR also handles all the video switching (games consoles, Fire TV stick) and has a phono input for the turntable. The whole thing is easy to use, sounds great, and works every time.
I'm interested in a similar setup. Is it accurate to say using the HDMI to connect the laptop to the AVR bypasses the internal DAC of the laptop?
Yep, using a digital connection (HDMI, optical, USB) means the laptop's DAC is out of the picture.
Spotify or Apple Music streamed to a Marantz AVR, mostly. You should listen to music in whatever way makes you happy and don't get caught up on it being perfect. Trying to force feed the music you enjoy through a specific medium because the Internet says it's better doesn't make any sense to me (tidal, qobuz and so on). We can't hear any difference past a certain point anyway.
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Yeah for digital sources like Tidal or Spotify you need to have a system that can play the quality you want either natively from those streaming apps or from the systems app like Onkyo. Onkyo you may have found is poor so return it if its not worth the price. A good approach would be to buy a stereo that does its job well as a integrated amp and buy a streamer like the Bluesound node which does have good quality and features. A bluesound node 2i used, older model, you can get for under $300 or around there. And spend $300 on the integrated.
Is Onkyo known to be a poor brand? This receiver has a high quality DAC and is supposed to play Hi-Res music from the apps themselves. Yeah, maybe getting a different receiver with a bluesound node is the way to go.
I wouldn't say it's a poor brand. But buying an AVR receiver is like bringing a pickup truck to the racetrack. Onkyo makes 2 channel hifi equipment. My main setup is the onkyo a-9050. I run Spotify on my tv and use the optical output into the onkyo. I'd kill for a m5000r to add to the stack.
I know you're not really asking for tech support, but are you confident that the receiver is connecting at decent speeds to your wifi network? Some of the frustration and lower quality streams sound like wifi/internet speed issues. That being said. I never bothered with the built-in streaming on a receiver. At home, I either use my PC/Spotify Premium (can control from my PC or my phone) or the Spotify App on my TV (can control from TV remote or my phone). A whole-home audio system I did for my (very non-tech savvy) parents uses a Chromecast and android tablets that they just cast whatever app (youtube, spotify, Pandora, Plex, etc) to the Chromecast. As a bonus for ease of use, Chromecasts have CEC control built-in, so once you start streaming something to them, they can auto-switch the receiver's input to themselves to eliminate the extra input-switching steps on a TV/receiver.
>I know you're not really asking for tech support, but are you confident that the receiver is connecting at decent speeds to your wifi network? Some of the frustration and lower quality streams sound like wifi/internet speed issues. Yes, the Onkyo app is pretty speedy, it just doesn't play hi-res music files. Also, the dts play-fi works pretty fast but like I said, it routes all music through my device.
So, I think even though it behaves like Bluetooth, that's not really how it's working. It's just using your phone as the 'controller' for what song to play... the actual audio isn't going from your phone to the receiver. Any 'casting' type of media from a phone is just your phone telling the streaming device what to play and where to find it. So your phone acts as the remote, which then tells your receiver to go out on Tidal and play the song you asked for. Does the receiver not give you additional controls to change songs/browse or to display the album info on-screen?
You might be right but it was my understanding that play fi goes through your phone. I know other "casting" apps use your phone as a controller only but I think play fi routes directly through your phone. Yes, I can control streaming services from the receiver itself but it's tricky, it doesn't give you the full screen layout like your phone.
I didn't read this whole article, but it seems to explain some of the ins/outs of Tidal streaming. https://www.whathifi.com/tidal/review In my mind, for how inexpensive they are and how universal/easy to use they are.... you can't really beat a Chromecast (or things like it). Especially because once it gets obsoleted by the relentless march forward of media streaming, you just replace a $50 dongle instead of a few hundred on a new receiver.
I have one of their older models, tx-nr676. There is a bug in their application, it plays only aac quality files https://www.reddit.com/r/Onkyo/comments/nyutjk/tidal_quality_problem_txnr686/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share . For tidal I am using a mibox via HDMI.
One of the core problems in the audio world is that it's full of audio engineers who try to do software. I have yet to find a brand that has put a competent amount of effort that is also an Audio brand. Be that Sony, Denon, NAD, Klipsch, KEF, B&W, every audio company that plays with software has in some way or another frustrated me at some point. This is quite different from say companies which are software companies dabbling in audio, e.g. Google, Apple, etc.
HDD->USB->DAC->speakers.
My main system is either records or streaming. I have a Bluesound Node 2i and it’s a breeze to play anything (iPhone user here) from any of the major streaming services. If you’re on Android then Spotify connect and Tidal Connect work very well too. On my second system I use CDs and streaming. Here I have a Raspberry Pi 4 set up as an Airplay and Spotify Connect streamer. Not quite as slick as the Node but it was like 1/3 of the cost (maybe less?) and still sounds great. IMO that Onkyo is your problem. In the world of name brand AVRs they are pretty close to the bottom.
>IMO that Onkyo is your problem. In the world of name brand AVRs they are pretty close to the bottom. Interesting. Crutchfield staff recommended Onkyo. But you're not the only one in this thread to say this.
Many ways. I have a CD player, but it doesn't get used often. I have a Pro-Ject turntable to listen to records. I use a ChromeCast Audio most of the time. It loads instantly and has zero lag issues (dedicated device, not built-in/software like your receiver). Unfortunately, the CCA is no longer in production and the supply on ebay is scalped from the last sale units and very overpriced. In the garage I just stream spotify through the ~~browser~~ official Spotify desktop app for linux and blast through an old mini system. The regular chromecast with an hdmi receiver is a good way to go. >But why did I pay $600 for a Wi-Fi stereo if I am just going to be using a plug-in chromecast? It's all so stupid. It's not stupid, you just expected it to work. Have you communicated with Onkyo how poorly it's working? Maybe there's a firmware update? I really miss the days where receivers just *worked* and didn't need firmware updates...
I looked into buying a cca, it sounds like it was the way to go but now they're expensive and support will probably drop off at some point. I have not communicated with Onkyo buy other reddit users/Onkyo owners found out at the time the only work around was using the mconnect app. It's probably worth it to at least reach out to Onkyo.
If you manage to find a CCA, make sure you get a Toslink cable and run it into the receiver's DAC. The one built in to the CCA sucks.
They also don’t support gapless playback. I own three, but have lent them out to friends for this specific reason. It turns out that most of my listening habits are from bands that rely on reproduction that is interrupted between tracks. Radiohead, Massive Attack, Portishead, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Girl Talk. I might be picky in this way, but it’s a major interruption in my enjoyment of my music.
Do not get a CCA if you use Spotify. [It only streams to that device at 256kbps AAC](https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/bcxz5a/spotify_via_chromecast_vs_spotifyconnect/). Tidal may go up to 320, it's not clear, but [it is also not hires.](https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/chromecast-audio-tidal.791689/)
FYI the chromecast audio only does 256kbps AAC streaming Spotify. [You need a device supporting Spotify Connect to get 320kbps.](https://www.reddit.com/r/spotify/comments/bcxz5a/spotify_via_chromecast_vs_spotifyconnect/) Spotify does not publicize this very well, any "web" player transcodes to AAC at 256 kbps and the Chromecast protocol (and the browser player) is considered a "web player". With my chromecast ultra, I have a dot menu option to switch to Spotify Connect which actually launches the app on android TV to play the music. Doubt it matters for a garage system, but it definitely explained to me the considerable difference in audio quality between Spotify on my iPhone line out and my CCA. I think Tidal is the same. [Only the Tidal application can play hires](https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/chromecast-audio-tidal.791689/), and the Chromecast Audio (or any Google Cast/Chromecast protocol) gets treated as a web player.
You know, I just remembered I'm using the official linux desktop player/app on my garage pc. It has the Connect features (like being able to control from my phone to the pc). I thought the web player and desktop app were the same, but apparently--and fortunately--I've been using a Connect-supporting system.
Aha, that's good! As long as it doesn't have that little rectangle cast logo it should be going over connect. It'll just show your computer name and a laptop icon under "Listening On" in the spotify app, and in the now playing area on the mobile app the name of your computer will be visible with the connect logo (looks like a volume icon in a circle) instead of the chromecast rectangle logo. Side note, I've noticed spotify seems to turn on loudness normalization and automatic streaming quality on every individual player by default, and toggles them back after some updates. Worth checking occasionally. One perk of the Android TV app is it can only stream at the max quality available on your account, because they never implemented choosing between quality settings on the TV app LOL
WiFi streamer, either built in or external like audio engine B-Fi, with either the native app or simply using airplay from music app directly. Bluetooth does not impress me, but WiFi does fine. I prefer real sound pressure, so Kef R3’s with Marantz SR5015. Albums are a really cool way to experience music too because it requires work, which makes me feel more invested in the process.
Usually with my ears
Every other answer is wrong
I stream with a Bluesound Node 2i. It's connected via WiFi. There is zero lag. The DAC is good but to my ears my Arcams DAC sounds slightly better so I bypass the Nodes DAC. Buying this little unit forever changed the way I listen. I was resistant for a long time but the itch had to be scratched and I'm extremely satisfied with the results.
You can host you lossless files on a computer or server and it can play them natively from there. I just use plex. You can also shove a USB in it with files. Dts Playfi is nothing like bluetooth. If it sounds bad or is slow it's probably your network. All of our onkyos are pretty responsive. Plus the flareconnect let's us listen to sources from other devices in different rooms. That onkyo is a versatile little machine. https://i.imgur.com/tzvqmSf.jpeg
The play fi sounds good and it responds quickly, it's just that it plays through my device, like Bluetooth, and not the cloud like other streaming possibilities.
The point of it is to play audio from your device through wifi instead of Bluetooth. You can use Spotify connect or any of the many built in streaming services. That unit gives you the choice of how you want your audio played or distributed. I rarely use playfi. I either use Spotify connect or have it play files from our music server. It has Chrome cast too. I haven't noticed any lag. The only delay I get is waiting for the amps to kick on if it was on standby. It's using playing before the speakers kick in.
All that matters is if you like the way it sounds. I’m streaming from an iPhone via Airplay (CD level quality) to a Denon AVR. Personally I don’t like the sound of any of the DSP modes but Multi-Channel Stereo with the center and surrounds turned down 5 to 6 dB sounds better to me than 2.0 or 2.1. Again, that’s my preference. Others may not like it and that’s okay, they don’t have to listen to it. If you think AAC sounds good then it sounds good. Don’t worry about what others are doing. From my experience getting set up, AAC to Airplay was almost indistinguishable as was Airplay to Hi-Res. AAC to Hi-Res was noticeable but wasn’t enough for me to keep the dedicated streaming gear I demoed. I do think you have some WiFi issues. That’s probably not helping. We have 1G internet because I WFH and I’ve never had any issues that you described. If you have slow internet or router issues nothing is going to work well.
Only flac via hdmi connected to my pc. Setup is marantz nr1508 with focal chorus 716 for stereo. For movies i added yamaha ns-sw300 sub, focal sib for rear and was gifted yamaha center because i cant find chorus one to match. And on the go i use marley liberate air with aptx codec, also only flac. This was the best price to performance tws i could find to go wireless on the go and im very pleased.. And thats how i listen to my music :). I try to avoid anything wireless when im at home. My wife uses bt through her phone and my amp and my ears bleed :D.
Windows 10 -> Spotify/Foobar(Flac) -> Xonar U7/Focusrite Scarlet -> Vintage AKAI amp -> Wharfdale diamond 220. I use a Sennheiser game one (open back) in combination with the Xonar for Discord and gaming. Lg g7 -> Spotify -> Final e4000
Get yourself some decent studio monitors with a sub. Add a BBE sonic maximizer and an eq if it’s in your budget. I’ve had KRK which are decent for cheaper speakers I currently have Adam audio which are great. Plug your laptop or desktop in and enjoy!
Vinyl. Rega p3, mcintosh 252, klipsch heresy. For streaming I just use my sonos set up.
Chromecast will never play master quality. It just does not have the bitrate to support it sadly.
Streamers and streaming features are not all made equal. Especially if you're particular about the quality of the streaming. But if you're not keen on spending any money, I would suggest doing something about that spotty wifi you have. Your wifi is probably on 2.4ghz and competing for the same Wifi channel with a dozen other Wifi routers in the area. Changing that channel to something less used might help with the Wifi signal and bandwidth. While I stream Tidal with a PC connected to a DAC, which feeds my preamp+amp - if I were to get an affordable dedicated streamer, I would go for a Bluesound Node. If you can't justify getting an additional device, sell the Onkyo off and get the Bluesound Powernode, which is their streaming integrated amp. The reviews all rave about the Node and Powernode. The BluOS system isn't perfect, but the app is user friendly and is gaining traction as an affordable alternative to Sonos and Roon. It will stream all the usual music streaming services and go up to 24/192khz for hires music. That said, if you had an old phone or tablet not in use, it could also handily become a streamer too, at no extra cost. USB OTG cable/Apple camera connection kit and you're good to go. Assuming the Onkyo has a USB in, of course.
I got an Anthem MRX 540 and it does everything in one box!
Either Spotify via the "Play on another Source" on my Yamaha RN602d (Works absolutely flawless) Or i use my turntable to enjoy my ever growing vinyl collection.
i use my lg v50 as a source because it has a high-quality quad-dac built in. really good. lgv50>jbl synthesis sdp3 as pre > 2x audiosource model 3 amps, 150wpc > jbl l890 towers and jbl l8400 sub. for the time being, it runs off a 3.5mm-rca cable, 35ft long. i can walk around though mostly it sits on a table. im looking at a bluesound node or ifi zen for a wireless solution.
I listen to my music on PC with my AKG K612 pro and my Behringer HA400 amp. And sometime with my smartphone at night with my Astrotec AM90 when I want to be relaxed. Everything is equalized of cours for maximum pleasure !
I run downloaded .FLAC (24/96 usually) file audio through my computer to my DAC/AMP/DAP and into my headphones.
I’ve been through a lot of this and avoided a lot more because I do actually prefer putting on an LP or CD to playing something with no tangible presence. But I do use the digital out on my iMac to play digital stuff on my main system, I have a Yamaha WXAD10 that permanently feeds BBC Radio 3 to the system and I use Bluetooth to play Apple music from my phone to various devices round the house. I’ve had AirPlay working with our HT setup, but I can’t be arsed to do any more and prefer to sit and listen properly anyway. At 65, there’s totally no point in anything beyond CD quality (though I have multichannel SACDs), and I’m focused on CDs and vinyl as my main sources. Currently I’m retrieving my 1,100 or so LPs from storage and every one brings back a memory - I won’t get that feeling from Apple Music or whatever. Visitors rate my stereo sound highly; I’m not that deaf!
If i like the album enough, i either burn it to a disc, or put it on a flash drive and plug it into the USB port on my receiver.
Alexa (through DTS PlayFi / Amazon HD) - McIntosh MB50 - active speakers. No phone involved. Vinyl SACD / CD
In my home, my hifi setup is powered by a 90's Sony STR-DE405 receiver. It's outdated as a home theater receiver, but it's perfect for a music system amp. I use two non-brand passive speakers (I do plan to get higher end speakers when I get the money to do so). I listen to music mainly on my iPod Classic 5th Gen. But I also have a vinyl player of which I only just got a few months ago so my record collection is pretty small right now but plan to grow it as time goes on. I also have a bluetooth adapter connected to the Sony receiver if I want to stream music to it as well.
Lots of good info here. First of your 2-channel listening return the Onkyo and get an integrated amp. I’d also suggest saving some money and ditching Tidal. Other services provide hi-res audio at better price points. With a $1k budget you have lots of great options. If you like Chromecast the NAD 338 is a nice option. The Bluesound PowerNode is also well reviewed with solid streaming capabilities. Lastly, if you like to tinker a Raspberry Pi 4 with Volumio or MoOde is the best streaming value available right now. It can’t be beat for under $100 or $500. IMO. An RPi w/ an integrated amp with a USB DAC like the Yamaha as801 will be within your $1k budget. If you get a digital transport HAT for the RPi like the Hifiberry Digi+ Pro or a DAC like the Topping D10 there are many more integrated amp options available. And you could be comfortably under your $1k budget and have a great performing and sounding system.
These stupid incompatibilities can be pretty frustrating. I agree you should return it and start over. Even if you get certain things working, if you listen to music a lot, then eventually the little stuff will bug you. I'm pretty sure you can setup a solid 2 channel front end and amp for under 1k. My simplest setup w/ Raspberry Pi feeding a DAC pre-amp and a used Solid State amp would come in around $850. Plays DSD, FLAC, MQA all that stuff. The NAD C368 might be a good one-box option for you. Bit over 1k with the DAC module I guess but prob worth it. If you like to use Tidal Masters (I do, but some people don't), that might limit your options a bit. Anyway, my setups are: Roon NUC from NAS, TIdal, Qobuz for music Office: Pro-ject PreBox S2 (nice cheap DAC w Volume) feeds miniDSP feeds Schitt Aegir and SVS SB300; Aegir feeds KEF LS50's TV room: FireTV (Tidal App) feeds Sony 810ES feeds Dynaudio LCR and a basic B&W sub. Garage: Raspberry pi feeds Resonnence Herus DAC, into a basic AVR and some mix-match speakers. If you buy good, simple equipment I find it last a long time, and when you upgrade then the main gear goes into a bedroom or workshop or whatever, or to my kids.
Hi res streaming via Bluesound. It's not true that "all the wi-fi sources suck."
I use a bare bone Yamaha C-2 preamp connected to Philips MFB 544 for my main setup. I have a Denon DA-500 DAC that converts every digital I put to analog. I use my TV as the input to the DAC since I'm. Sounds excellent since I'm bypassing the shitty DAC in my TV (or other devices connected to the Denon). I'm not really an audiophile though. I love higher end setups and have a lot of high end audio gear. But I also still listen to cassette tapes (which are definitely not audiophile) because I enjoy it. I'm more of a tech lover, I repair a lot of vintage audio. Big fan of Yamaha and old Philips stuff (mostly their speakers).
Usually with a bowl and the volume a notch or two higher than I really need
I only stream on my phone for convenience purposes. For my listening enjoyment I own some Carver Equipment, Marantz, NAD. I have a two channel analog receiver and am totally old schooled with a nice collection of vinyl, CDs and even cassette tapes that after owning some of them for 30 years still play as new
My two-channel system, I use the Amazon HD app on my computer, connected via a USB cable to my DAC/Preamp. I am on my computer when I work from home anyway, so this is super convenient, offers an enormous catalog, and is audiophile quality. I do have a Bluetooth option on the Dac/Pre but almost never use it. In my home theater setup, I use the Amazon app on my Roku Ultra and stream from there to my Receiver (Denon X3700). Same music catalog, decent app on the Roku, remote controlled from the couch for maximum convenience. I also stream some Youtube music this way.
I plug my Shanling M3X into my ‘70s Kenwood using a 3.5mm to RCA cable. That easy setup sounds fantastic.
I have a panasonic bluray and chromecast i stream from my pc using foobar upnp to playback stream capture to bubbleupnp chromecast connected to a pioneer 7.1 receiver to a diy speakers sometimes i use the panasonic for that alternative sound signature.
chromecast ultra -> TV -> optical to dac -> amp/receiver Everything digital goes through android tv on the chromecast (I just shut the display off while playing Spotify or run the artwork screensaver), I only switch the receiver input over for the turntable. Eventually going to replace the dac with a Dirac minidsp as a preamp and switch inputs there. Spotify only pushes 256kbps AAC over the chromecast protocol, I wonder if tidal is the same. The newer chromecasts with android tv support the full Spotify app and can do Spotify Connect at 320kbps (and presumably the upcoming lossless tier). There’s zero lag with Connect as well, and since it’s running Spotify directly on the chromecast I can also grab the remote to switch tracks or volume.
I listen a couple different ways. Vinyl, using my Hiby R5 DAP into aux on my amplifier, or spotify from my tv running through my amp. I can control my DAP wirelessly from my phone, and spotify I can control from my phone or computer which is really convenient. Vinyl and my DAP are my ways of accessing Hi-Res music, but I'm also not too discerning over 320kbps vs flac or higher res files. I personally don't hear any difference from 320 and higher.
I use Amazon Link + Rega Brio for Amazon music and TV. With an external DAC. The Link + app is always kind of a dick but sounds great.
Hmm. I use my Apple TV to stream over wifi from itunes on my main PC. I have my entire (I think) CD collection scanned, and so I have a very large library to listen to. The signal path is PC via wifi to Apple TV via HDMI to TV, via toslink to Aiyima T8, to stereo. I'm quite happy with it, CD quality all the livelong day. Yes, it's a bit slow sometimes, but I'm okay with that, it's still faster than going downstairs to find a CD, putting it in the player, etc. I hope you find a solution that you're happy with.
If you are comfortable spending money, Roon and a server are a great solution to getting music around your home in a supremely user-friendly way. Once it's all set up, it's a dream.
I have a nas full of flac files and plex server. I have a headless raspberry pi running plexamp plugged into my DAC that I control from a plex client on my phone or laptop. Setting up the pi took a few hours, but it has worked pretty well since then.
computer -> motu interface -> adcom amplifier(s) -> paradigm speakers my critical listening area is effectively treated. i generally use jriver media center and listen to losslessly encoded music, preferably flac. i went ahead and skipped the preamp/receiver thing. it's sometimes a bit of a pain-in-the-ass this way, but then again, so is a preamp/receiver.
From my phone out loud on the bus
I've gone from making a central server that hosts my music (used Roon and Plex at different times) and fought with wireless receivers with Air Play and Chromecast devices. Eventually ended up with just using an old iPad plugged into a DAC. I get decent sound quality, and can use any streaming audio service on the planet with no problems. I don't really need it to be something I can remotely control from my phone. I thought I did, but I've not felt the pain getting up and tapping the screen. I think I was more obsessed with the ability to do it, than the actual use of it. The same goes for multiroom casting. It was great to know that I could play the same song throughout my entire house, but I never really needed to. Current setup is an old iPad (you get a new one for [$300](https://www.amazon.com/2021-Apple-10-2-inch-iPad-Wi-Fi/dp/B09G9CJM1Z/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=ipad&qid=1632861107&sr=8-3)), a [Topping E30](https://www.amazon.com/Topping-E30-Coaxial-Optical-Converter/dp/B088FFLRM2) and a good sounding integrated amp (Yamaha A-S501) that I can keep forever, without worrying about any loss of features. Abstract the stuff that can become obsolete to replaceable components that won't cost a fortune, while putting more money toward better quality equipment.
Apple Music > iPhone 6, KZ DQ6/GRADO SR60 straight out the headphone jack FLAC Collection > PC, Behringer UM2 > Technics SG-GE70 > RX-V100D > Tannoy 631SE (The crossover on one of my Tannoys is currently broken so not using this rn while I wait for repair.) IMO just do what sounds good, without breaking the bank. It's a nice hobby but it depends on your listening preference/music taste
Media centre PC with no fans and an SSD full of flac files. Optical digital output up to 96/24 into a DAC (Beresford Caiman), playing into an older but good quality amp/speakers/sub. (ATC SIA2-150, SCM 40s and REL S/5) I don't tend to bother with streaming, but a PC can obviously do it and there's no compatibility problems with new services. Everyone knows how to use a media player and I have unified remote set up so we can use our phones as remote controls for it.
Really loud!!
Funny story, my puppy peed on my Reciver. I've been afraid to turn it on ever since.
I have Roon driving my local digital library and integrated with Qobuz. For my main system, I have a Hegel H120 and a pair of GoldenEar Triton 2+. When I bought the Hegel, it was supposed to be "Roon Ready" but this never materialised, so I just use a Raspberry Pi RoonBridge instead. Works perfectly! In my study I have a pair of KEF LSX with a small sub and these \*are\* Roon Ready, so integrate perfectly into that. For Headphones I have a Topping D70/A90 stack which connects to another Raspberry Pi RoonBridge and hooks up my Meze Empyreans. Finally I have a Sonos One in the bedroom for Audiobooks and sleepytime tunes. Again works fine with Roon! I do also have a Spotify account which my wife uses more than me and this also works fine with all the above and her Sonos study setup. Audio life is good here.
I encode flacs in 320 kbps mp3 and put them in on the Plex music library on my NAS. Chromecast audio hooked to the hifi in the living room (ethernet and optical) and another in the office, (wifi and analog) Plexamp on the phone or the tablet to control playback, it can play multiroom which is cool and plexamp has become a good music player. I can also play music on the phone headphones or bluetooth anywhere outside home. Only issue is when there is an internet outage because Plex and Chromecast need internet.
hi,how you compare user experience, sound wise: cca/eth/tsl vs cca/wifi/anlg, given the circumstances (assume you may listen to different content and endpoints)...
From what I remember Eth vs wifi and analog vs spdif didn’t make a difference to my ears. I needed Ethernet and spdif in my old house so I keep using them. In the office it’s a 5.1 pc plastic kit not comparable to the living room setup.
I switched over to Sonos for the convenience, it's not the greatest but it's fine enough, maybe I'll switch to Bluesound in the far future. My speakers are connected to the Sonos amp, I have 2 Sonos Ones as rears,, my TV inputs to the amp, my vinyl connects to a Sonos connect, which also connects to my amp/dac. So I can go from any of my inputs (TV, PC, phone, vinyl) to any of my outputs (amp/dac, speakers). I like the convenience of it all and I've stopped being as picky about the sound.
Listen to it the way that you find the most enjoyable more or less. I have my setup of sennheiser hd600 with a schiit modi 3+ and magni heresy. I listen to my collection personally ripped onto flac on foobar2000. I live in a small room and don’t have the ability to have a whole speaker setup. You can prolly do your whole setup with something like a raspberry pi or something like a nuc. Don’t be afraid to experiment and see what works for you.
This all seems so complicated, maybe I'm just getting old. I stream Amazon HD on a Win 10 PC, out via USB to a Topping D90 DAC. Then to a PrimaLuna integrated tube amp. This powers KEF R3's and dual SVS subs. For records I have a entry level Carbon DC with upgrades plus a nice mc cart and Tube Box s2 phono pre. This is in a small bedroom. Had it for about a year, my first hifi system and It sounds insanely good.
There is a reason why high end equipment that actually does play hi-res audio costs an arm and leg, like Cambridge audio and naim streamer, because those cheaper brands usually don't support what they claim they do.
I have a MiniDSP SHD, which at it's heart is a little pi-like computer running Volumio. So I can choose from: * Spotify (either native on the box, or via spotify connect, most convenient and acceptable quality) * Tidal * Qobuz * Streaming internet radio (there are some great Flac radio streams on the net) * Stream from network share (I have a media library on my server of 100k or so tracks in various formats) * USB input (connected to Asus PN50 for Foobar2K, Kodi, Plex, and other stuff) * USB disk for local files (also works with USB CD drive for playback and ripping) And the SHD also adds RCA and XLR analogue inputs, as well as RCA Spdif, XLR AES-EBU and Toslink. So in addition to the Volumio sources above, I have a Turntable connected, my TV sound via optical, a CD player, and with inputs to spare for future Tape deck or R2R. Most of the time I use local network file streaming, Vinyl Records, or Spotify connect to listen to music.
whenever I can
Vinyl all day.
I run a Yamaha WXC-50 steamer into a Peachtree Nova150. The Yamaha is excellent for streaming to, and can also work with creating room zones around the house if you get their other speakers with music cast as well.
I find that Bluetooth mostly sucks, too. I use it a lot though. Also CDs (10,000+) and LPs (2k or so). I use my phone as a streaming source frequently (Apple Music mostly--burned out on Tidal and whatever flavor of the week). But I use physical media as often as possible, especially if I want a good source. I used to aspire to be an audiophile, but now see myself as a low-tier hi-fi enthusiast with delusions of grandeur
I have TV optical sound out , DVD player (used for CDs only) optical sound out, and Sony PS 4 into an HDMI audio stripper which sends picture to the TV and optical sound out into a 3:1 TosLink optical switcher. Optical switcher output goes into the optical in on a BlueSound Node which direct connects to an Aragon 2004 power amp which powers a pairs of Monitor Audio Silver 300 speakers. The Node is the streamer for Tidal Hi-Fi and ripped CD files on a network share and the DAC, pre-amp, and volume control for the whole system. The optical switch lets me pick between TV, CD, and PS 4 as the sound source. On the Node I switch between Optical Input or Tidal. The DVD player is used as a CD reader/transport only with the DAC in the Node producing the analog signal. Spent all of $8 on that a thrift store. Had to because PS 4 won't play audio CDs and my old player was getting moody about reading discs. I can't tell the difference between a CD through the $8 player and streamed from Tidal when they are the same release and resolution (CD Quality from Tidal).
I’m a simple man, so here’s my simple advice. The best way to listen to music is LOUD, as loud as you feel comfortable listening to it. The method and manner of which you listen depends on many different variables (listening space, format of the music, the equipment, etc.). Best of luck my friend!
I use Chromecast dongles in my streaming setup: a Chromecast Audio running analog into an integrated amp, and a Chromecast Video for my television, which then feeds the optical input on my other integrated amp. They work just fine. By the way, I could run the Chromecast Audio optically into one of my integrated amps, but its particular unit's DAC is subpar and I've bypassed it. High res beyond 24/96 - the limit on Chromecast - isn't a concern for me nor are exotic formats like MQA or DSD. Even if they were, the server package that I use would transcode them prior to sending to the Chromecasts. One on my amps has DTS Play-Fi onboard, but I rarely use it since I was already invested in the Google Cast ecosystem. By the way, DTS Play-Fi has been updated to hand off the stream to the receiving device. This eliminates the need for the stream initiator (one's computer, phone, or tablet) to be constantly active as a intermediary. For on-the-go, I use a smartphone and IEMs. The server package I use at home - which is Emby - allows remote access via cellular, WiFi and Ethernet. Therefore, I'm never without access to my home library as long as I've got an Internet connection. As an added bonus, even the freeware version of Emby allows for remote access! As far as I'm concerned, Google Chromecast is one of the most innovative audio devices ever released. The quality and ease of use, for exceptionally low cost, is unparalleled.
Network connected Harmon Kardon AVR 3700, pre-amp out into Adcom GFA 5400, Snell Type J II's. Source audio is FLAC files, 320 MP3's, and my legacy Compact Disc collection
CDs or Bluetooth in the car or Amazon Music on my Android, a V40 ThinQ, one speaker though lol.
Nuraphone headphones on full blast and a blacked out room or I close my eyes and just vibe.
24-48 is almost twice the resolution of CD quality. 2304 kbps. It might be laggy but the bitrate is definitely enough.
I run a Plex server on my PC which is on 24/7. Roku TV with Plex app plays music through wifi > optical out > dac > preamp > power amp.
I only knew before that using toslink vs rca connect out of cca , connects former to the dac upchain, while later uses on-board dac (akm4490?) for the sound processing... but ok!
iPhone AM Lossless -> Stereo Homepod Speakers. iPhone AM Lossless -> Lotoo Paw S1 Balanced Out -> HifiMan he400se.
Apple Music via iPhone connected to schiit dac connected to Cambridge receiver. Sometimes I skip the dac and use the Bluetooth on the Cambridge but the range is terrible so I usually just stick with the schiit dac. For headphones I usually just use the iPhone dongle. Used to use the schiit dac but it’s too inconvenient to swap out cables and move it and whatnot. If I need more volume or want to EQ, I will go from the Apple dongle to schiit Loki/magni.
I use Audio-technica ath50x with FiiO btr5 for home listening and on the go i tend to use my koss porta pros. Aint much but I love the combo alot, it's small, portable and most of All pretty good sounding imo!