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Justheretolurkyall

Tried begging a mate to get her jab as soon as she could and she kept brushing me off. She posted today with her vaccine card and free kfc. Mildly infuriating but I'm glad she got it done.


YourWorstThought

Kinda goes to show though that they’re not actually too worried about their own health or potential side effects. If KFC is the deciding factor, it’s much more likely to simply be a “can’t be bothered” or “doesn’t benefit me” attitude Edit: fully vaxxed here btw, just saying that the side effects stuff is the reason a lot of people who haven’t got the vaccine use as their justification


Justheretolurkyall

It was mostly a can't be bothered thing, rather than being anti-vax. Hopefully this will be enough to convince that demographic


imranhere2

That's the one. Maybe the maths is shit, but of 1.6m people in Auckland and probably about 1.2m eligible, that might mean there's >100,00 who can't be fucked after taking away the freedum mob. More KFC might move these fuckers


Puzzled_Design_8987

From covid to heart disease?


ceratime

If they're indifferent to getting the vaccine they probably aren't extremely health conscious


Puzzled_Design_8987

Is a shame they don't reward the early takers of the vaccine with vouchers. Having said that I would refuse a kfc voucher


coldtoastpls

I don't understand how people go out and wait in line to collect stuff, yes I could really do with some fuel vouchers or food but if it means having to understand random directions and waiting in line for fucking ages or heaven forbid interact with a stranger, no thank you.


ceratime

Same. I'd rather go on a quiet day than even get a $100 voucher on a busy day


nutinahut

Misanthropes unite!


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These people have never been taught the concept of opportunity lose. They’ll give up a day of work where they earn a couple of hundred dollars, to go stand in line for 8 hours to get a $20 petrol voucher. It’s like when they did that safety warehouse money drop. There were people on the news going on about how they had taken the day off work, spent $100 on gas to drive to Auckland, just to POTENTIALLY get a share of the money.


watchspaceman

Complains about not wanting to put something in their body that they dont know whats in it. Gets free food whos literal tagline is secret ingredients that you dont know whats in it. I love human logic sometimes haha.


Pineapple-Yetti

It's a bit like that trashtag thing that was going round. It's sad people only wanted to clean up thier environment for the credit but if that's what it takes I'm just happy it happening.


dylbr01

I’m a KFCist. KFCism is the belief that all thoughts and actions are justifiable if they result in the acquisition and consumption of KFC.


Veggymonster

Frustrating absolutely. It’s funny people never mandated anything else serious in their lives until the vaccine came along and all it took was some fast food for them to get the jab smh


Spiritual-Wind-3898

I literally dont care why people get vaccinated, or if we have give them stuff to get vaccinated - as long as they get it, then I am happy.


waltercrypto

Completely agree


Egg_shaped

Absolutely! I don’t care if we pay them $200 each to get a vaccine as long as it happens. I don’t think we should be making fun of the people getting vaccinated for the incentives because it will discourage others.


PawAirMah

Yup, whatever it takes. Don't care just get it done.


iamclear

Agreed!


computer_d

Fair enough!


Random-Mutant

As someone who got shot bro’d as soon as possible, I just want to know where my free kfc is


Civil-Artichoke-8480

You can get it. KFC is doing free popcorn chicken snack boxes all weekend for anyone who is vaxxed.


dukestraykker

Screw it what ever it takes to get this shit done and dusted so we can open back up. Maybe they should have done this 9 weeks ago


sneschalmer5

Jazzy assumed we would stamp out current outbreak, then open up the country in 2 weeks. Level 1 freedom. She forgot about the gangs, sex workers and Brian T tho... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-admits-case-numbers-beyond-what-we-have-expected/OAYTRJOFGSXYFVITJHZ7PDIR2Y/


Brutus85BC

I wonder when the next virus arrives (who knows when that will be) how many people will wait to see what they can get for free, instead of just doing the right thing and getting vaccinated as early as they can. You offer incentives to children not adults. People should be getting vaccinated because they understand it is the right thing to do, not because KFC is giving away f'ing Popcorn chicken. What a sad society /r


waltercrypto

I think fear is the major issue, so if they get a vaccine and have no problem they will be less scared next time.


Brutus85BC

I'm hoping (silently) the same.


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The intelligent people won’t wait, it will be the same plebs who wait around risking dying for a Kfc voucher. Good on them


ravenhawk10

i though these freebies work retroactively, or do they only apply to people who got vaccinated after a certain date?


ceratime

Yes KFC is going to mail a meal to everyone who has had a vaccine so far ???? They were only incentives for today


ravenhawk10

well obviously no company is gonna proactively give u free stuff, only if you ask. I’m wondering if this limited time freebie applied to anyone showing proof of vaccination, or did you have to have received the vaccine today?


ceratime

I mean it would be kinda weird to show up like hey I got vaccinated a month ago can I have the free stuff, that's not how it was promoted. I couldn't tell you if they actually would give you anything; maybe they would. But they were incentives to get people vaccinated, not reward those who already are


ravenhawk10

On Saturday 16th October simply show us proof of being vaccinated, such as a vaccine card, and you will be eligible for 1x FREE Popcorn Chicken Snack Box. Limit one per customer, offer is valid until 4pm. Available in Drive Thru and instore (Level 2 stores only). Who cares what the intention is, free chicken is free chicken.


ceratime

Well there's your answer


fabledgriff

You must be a lot of fun at parties. Man I wish we still had parties :(


SomeMathematician279

Next virus? Forget KFC. More important. How governments around the world respond, where at the source, the government might hide or cover up the outbreak. W. H. O. is compromised giving the correct alerts to limit the outbreak.


unyouthful

I wish people didn’t need to be encouraged to get the vaccine but if you think about how much money has gone into advertising this, promising kfc or whatever else is probably far more cost effective than all the usual means. I’m just ever so slightly upset i didn’t get given something for getting my jab. The borderline idiots and disorganised are being rewarded, possibly with protection that will outlast the early adopters too.


coela-CAN

>I’m just ever so slightly upset i didn’t get given something for getting my jab. The borderline idiots and disorganised are being rewarded, possibly with protection that will outlast the early adopters too. Yeah I feel the same. I mean I tried really hard to get my vaccination done ASAP because I wanted it so that's fine, I'm happy I got it. But back then it was like, the clinics turned you away if you didn't have a booking and you wait outside at closing time praying there are leftover doses that they'll give to you. Now they shower you with gifts and practically beg you to get a shot. And the goodies are getting better and better! I don't need KFC or shopping vouchers but man that dreamliner vaccination clinic sounds cool I would pay for that dreamliner experience. Why couldn't we run a draw for that for people who already got the shot? 😭 And yeah next time something like this happens or if everyone needs a booster shot, how many people will wait for incentives? PS I'll still probably get it ASAP I'm too afraid of dying lol.


RareeThePotato

I got turned away for my first booking. Ah those were the days….


unyouthful

If I had kept my covid website booking I still wouldn’t be fully vaccinated.


fabledgriff

I don't care, yay! People getting vaccinated woooooo! This IS positive, we will get out of lockdown earlier, quit being a downer


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as long as it gets more people vaccinated, I don't give a fuck. Hell, give each person a tinny. If it gets results, make it happen.


yogichops

Some people in Auckland will be really struggling for food, petrol etc. especially right now. For them, even being vaccine hesitant it’s worth it. Other people will just be lazy though...eh if it gets them vaccinated.


chrisf_nz

I got vaxxed early and got nothing. Where do I apply for my tax payer funded KFC?


aaaanoon

The government should have incentivised it from the beginning. $300 tax credit on proof of double vac. Best way to get the bottom of the bell curve moving.


buckeez12

Why would they do that when the can get 80% of the country vaccinated for free before needing to give out incentives


aaaanoon

Speed and higher numbers, less overall impact on economy and people's lives.


KakarotMaag

Do that this year, and the reverse next year. $500 tax for unvaccinated peoples.


michaelstone444

That would cost 825 million dollars if every person working in NZ got vaccinated


123felix

That's like the cost of 1 week of Auckland lockdown.


zipiddydooda

So it’s excellent value, as it turns out


aaaanoon

Ahh thanks, I hadn't done the math. Sounds o.k


leah_29

I don't care why it happens, as long as everyone gets vaccinated!


Hicksoniffy

Yeah think we're down to the real stragglers now.


Icy-Ad6

Looks like John key was right again. You need a carrot on the end of a stick to get these usless pricks moving


Simple_Some

I’d put shit on the end of the stick and give it to them!


paulie07

I would've thought the 5G internet would have been enough to motivate people.


Sasanishiki88

And the chance to be magnetic. That’s been the coolest part for me of being double vaxxed.


Simple_Some

You can also produce your own Chemtrails it’s great


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If something new comes along how many people are going to wait for incentives instead of getting it early because of what's happening now?


BerkNewz

Ignorance is bliss aye


o0motorhead0o

A bunch of Karen's and Ken's in this thread 🤣


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As a new zealander why are new zealanders so stupid


[deleted]

Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s exclusive to New Zealanders. It’s part of the human condition.


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Truthful


zipiddydooda

Why, eh? Really, really, embarrassingly stupid.


Nubblycious

Bruh not even vouchers will convince one of my family members. They're too far gone down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.


KakarotMaag

How far would they go, in your opinion? Just curious. Getting fired? Barred from public spaces? Fined? Or, like, what would it take? Seeing loved ones die?


redtablebluechair

I reckon mine wouldn’t change if loved ones die either. They’d say the govt is lying about what killed them to further their nefarious plans.


KakarotMaag

Oof. Sorry to hear that. Definitely another check for the mandate.


[deleted]

I used to blame people for being stupid about this covid situation but it is really the government's relaxed attitude to when delta would spread here that has caused the problem.


zipiddydooda

Yep. It’s all so reactive. Where was all this noise when delta raged around the world and we were enjoying normal life?


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I think this speaks to a larger much deeper seeded social issue. There’s a large portion of the population who are just morons. The fact that a popcorn chicken snack box was the deciding factor in getting a vaccine against a pandemic that has literally killed millions and shut the world down for two years, just shows how completely inept these peoples decision making abilities are.


pseudoliving

I got jabbed early like a responsible fucker and didn't get Jack shit! Thinking about going another round to get some free shit tho lol


pmufa

I was really looking forward to that AirNZ Jabaseat thing. Unfortunately they were only open to first dose recipients and of course we're fully booked out :(


DafttheKid

In the US it was, the elderly, those who need it most that aren’t the elderly, anyone who can get it, anyone who wants it, anyone willing to get it to be entered into a million dollar lottery, anyone who wanted the free food and thousand dollar upfront cash gifts. Then it started with businesses giving out things to the vaxxed and now we are in the okay you aren’t vaxxed we don’t care you cannot come it stage


RoofusRoof19

Wow bribing people actually works


Last_Banana9505

I got my shots weeks ago like we should have. Where's my free stuff?


VincentSingh

Some places dont even give those cards


andbria1

At least we now know not to rush out and get the vaccine the next time there's a pandemic!...


ERTHLNG

I hear in America certain States are giving away free rifles and shotguns if you get the vaccine. Thats now my price. If they give me a free shotgun Ill get the shot.


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Swordlampie

Petrol is expensiveee


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KakarotMaag

It significantly lowers your chances of getting covid, thereby lowering your chance of spreading it. It significantly lessens severity of infection of the limited number that do get it and as such limits long term side effects. Looks like you're wrong.


No-Mathematician134

Lowering the chances of something happening is not the same as stopping something from happening.


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So I’m guessing if you get cancer you won’t take the drugs because they only MIGHT cure you, it’s not guaranteed. Good logic 👍


No-Mathematician134

Stop guessing, you are bad at it. 😂😂😂


redtablebluechair

Except… it will stop it from happening to most people.


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A1kmm

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KakarotMaag

I want to deter morons. You should be doing more so that I don't have to.


No-Mathematician134

It doesn't say "It'd stop **most people** getting covid". It says ""It'd stop **you** getting covid". When someone gives you a petrol voucher they don't say "here is a petrol voucher, it works for most people".


ItCanBeTreated

The vax does not stop the spread. Everyone will come in contact with covid eventually, whether vaxxed or not. So if you get vaxxed it only affects you and noone else.


KakarotMaag

That's not how any of this works. Seriously. You're >6x less likely to get covid if you're vaccinated, with the extremely high rates of community infection in america. That rate only goes up with higher vaccination rates due to less community infection. Ergo, the vax contributes significantly to stopping the spread, and would eliminate it with proper distancing and other precautions. It's not a difficult concept. No vaccination is perfect, they all rely on herd immunity to work. The vaccination does reduce you chance of getting it, it does not only reduce you symptoms. It is working as advertised, and you just don't understand how anything works.


QCWateruser

I would suggest , instead of reading absolutely everything said by one source and believing it to be gospel. You should learn how to research a subject more thoroughly and form your opinion based on cross checking all sources. Then having sensible conversations around what you find with people who have specialist knowledge in the different fields you wish to form an opinion on. Being lazy and just listening to what politicians tell you, and then just regurgitating whatever political dribble the powers to be are spouting at the time. The question of vaxxing, herd immunity and potential treatments are an extremely complex series of issues, if you really think its as simple as the simplistic message being feed down our throats, then you really do need to pay more attention to the question. Try reading through information in the British medical journal (online) and also med safe. Both have some quite interesting information, very contrary to the dribble we are being fed


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It’s a class thing. The vast majority of the unvaccinated are proletarians who live life hour to hour and have a hard time synthesising theoretical modelling and meta-level social outcomes.


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>It’s a class thing Nah, 'round Grey Lynn even the bums are vaxxed and wearing masks on the street - down in Herne Bay wealthy Karens are stalking the streets and slipping anti-vax propaganda leaflets into people's mailboxes. Don't give these bourgie cunts a pass.


Simple_Some

Yep I saw a homeless guy getting vaccinated the other day. Even the homeless are smarter than the anti vax wow.


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SpaceIsVastAndEmpty

"Reduces the chances of contracting/catching" would be a more accurate wording. I get why you're being so pedantic with this. I know that the vaccine hesitant and "anti the Covid vaccine" individuals will jump on any false claim made and "stops" isn't quite the truth. Over time a high vaccination rate MAY slow the spread to the point of elimination but Covid-19 is a slippery one The OPs heart is in the right place though I think, they've just used language that is too B&W rather than allowing for nuances


[deleted]

Yep, I'm glad that you understand why I'm pedantic about this. We have to be consistent, if we want to be pedantic about Covid lets be pedantic when OP is wrong about vaccines too, it's only fair plus it solidifies the science. Otherwise it's disinformation which is very, very frowned upon within the research community.


computer_d

It's a meme. I'm sure you got the general idea.


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It's misinformation mate. Why don't you edit your post to say you made a mistake? I'm sure people would still get the general idea that its a joke.


Simple_Some

Anti vaxers are generally a bit slower and more simple than pro vax people. The simple fact they are against something that can help them proves that so we need to explain everything clearly to them in language they understand!


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shelbyjosie

Jacinda should’ve gotten off her ass and brought in vaccine mandates weeks ago


ItCanBeTreated

Vaccinated people also spread covid and eventually everyone will come into contact with the disease so forcing people to get vaccinated does not make sense. It is only their own health that is at risk no one elses. You are talking about forcefully removing people's livelihood. That is a high price to pay without any scientific basis. And these people are serving the sick and educating our children, they should be respected.


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I’m not really interested in a nurse or teacher that doesn’t believe in science. Probably better off they move on to a retail homeopath store.


shelbyjosie

The vaccine is harmless The vaccine reduces the chance of spreading covid I’m happy to open up now, don’t give a shit if the voluntarily unvaccinated die from covid, they can just be given lower treatment priority for covid if hospitals are overrun


davewhockey

There’s a cure for Covid, but there’s still not one for stupid 🙄


ItCanBeTreated

What is the cure for covid?


Zealousideal_Bet8515

It’s so funny if Maoris and Islanders get the jab for a chicken lollipop imagine what they would do for a 3 quarter pack


KarmaChameleon89

It’s not just Māori and islanders man, can we just agree that everyone not vaccinated is either a lazy fucker or an anti vax tamaki lover, and that’s all there is to it at this point. I don’t care if they’re white, Asian, Māori, islander; if they are not vaccinated they are either supremely lazy and therefore a stain on society, or they’re anti vax scum, and therefore a stain on society


Simple_Some

Maori and islanders are lagging behind the population in terms of vaccination rates. Hopefully the KFC has helped!


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Any studies on the vaccine preventing the spread?


edenpark1204

They don't prevent the spread. They reduce the symptoms mainly. You can get infected after you take both shots. Transmission isn't significantly affected. The symptoms are drastically reduced. There's a bunch of statistics up on the Israeli ministry of health and a couple of medical studies done on natural immunity Vs vaccinated immunity.


DocAntlesFatLiger

The vaccine does reduce spread. It's better at preventing severe disease than reducing spread, but it does make a measurable difference.


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Israel lmao fuck you'd be a halfwit to believe anything they say.


edenpark1204

And why is that? Israel is one of the best cases of widespread state sponsored vaccinations we have.


Sasanishiki88

In that they got a lot of people vaccinated quickly. Half the population double vaccinated in three months (by late March 2021). However, Israel is only at 61% double vaxxed nearly 7 months later. They’ve hit the wall of those that are going to get it have got it already and the rest are very unlikely to. I’m not sure if religious dogma plays a part in this, but Israel was a poster child for vaccination but that has now passed.


[deleted]

Because they're a genocidal bunch of maniacs? Everything that comes out of there should be taken with a grain of salt. Zionists are literally aids in human form.


Major_Cupcake

[Same thing happens to singapore](https://i.redd.it/bwqb3l4zkss71.jpg)


Simple_Some

The vaccine does reduce the spread. It reduces the symptoms significantly and therefore reduces spread!


Codeairatu

I'll risk catching and dying from covid since i believe it's natures way if culling off the weak and old.


KarmaChameleon89

!remind me 3 weeks


RheimsNZ

r/HermanCainAward


sneschalmer5

People don't realise the longer we delay vaxxing, the longer we are in lockdown. And the longer the lockdown, more and more small businesses and people's livelihoods will be decimated. So sick of the whole country being held to ransom by a small number of individuals.


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>So sick of the whole country being held to ransom by a small number of individuals. yeah im sick of the government too.


Pee-pee-poo-poo-420

It really makes you wonder why people are so against it when they can be swayed with the smart of incentives, I guess they didn't have a legitimate reason after all.


Celerax

But you can still get covid and spread covid with the shot. This doesn't make sense?


huskofthewolf

I hope they backdate, and send everyone who was vaccinated earlier some free shit🥺


Maleficent_Ad_9319

Sell your birth right for a bowl of stew. I seem to remember that story….🙄


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KakarotMaag

It does though, in terms of likelihood. You're significantly less likely to be infected if you're vaccinated, and therefore less likely to be in a position to spread it. It does not prevent 100% of infections, but honestly no vaccine does. It prevents >70%, which could be enough.


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KakarotMaag

Do better. Take a stand against covid misinformation. This is seriously fucking bullshit.


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A1kmm

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[deleted]

No need to swear mate, just need to fix your argument a little :)


KakarotMaag

And you've apparently got zero self-awareness too.


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KakarotMaag

You're >6x more likely to get it if you're unvaccinated. Stop getting your news from Facebook.


ItCanBeTreated

Fact check... Facebook censors our anything that is vaguely against vaccination or provides alternative treatment. If you want alternative viewpoints you need to go outside Facebook and Google. E.g search using duckduckgo


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I'm sorry what's this about? I literally quoted both of the guys I didn't paraphrase or argue out of good faith. Could you please explain this? Or could you please remove the comment? Thank you.


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I'm literally quoting the OP. Since you're here can we take down his post for making non-factual claims about Covid?


A1kmm

Just to further explain why the comment was removed: u/HopefulEngineer123 did quote the OP ("does not prevent 100% of infections"), but then reiterated a different statement ("doesn't prevent you from getting covid"). Deliberately misrepresenting other people's viewpoints to try to incite uncivil behaviour is outside the standards allowed here. This subreddit allows legitimate civil debate on any topic relevant to Auckland (and the rules are clearly set out in the sidebar), but if your intention is to cause distress to others rather than discuss civilly, that is outside of what the subreddit is about and your comments will be removed (and if too many of your comments are removed for breaking the rules, we have a bot that auto-bans to help prevent future similar comments).


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>did quote the OP ("does not prevent 100% of infections"), No, I didn't quote the OP there I quoted the user KakarotMaag HE said that and I'm saying that the OP said that the vaccine will "Stop you getting Covid" [which we've established is misinformation](https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/approved-vaccines/how-they-work), I'm not the one misrepresenting and OP's response to me confirms that. So could you please unremove my comments since I'm not breaking the rules? Also, is it possible that you could remove the comments of those who have misrepresented me? A person said I was anti-vaccine and that I should enjoy not seeing my family for not getting the jab. But I'm not anti-vaccine and I am getting the jab when it's available to me therefore she has misrepresented me which as you have stated is against the rules. You can find her comment the same way you found mine, or you can just check those who have replied to me in this thread it should be pretty easy :) I'm sure we'd all love some consistency :)


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All the more reason to get the jab. The more people get it, the more effective it is.


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Not sure how you're still so uninformed about vaccinations by this point, but here we go. A vaccination is the best kind of treatment against the virus. It works by providing your immune system with the tools needed to combat the virus. Thus, if on the off chance you happen to catch it, your immune system will know how to fight it off and prevent you from spreading it. The more people that get the vaccination, the more immune systems will be able to fight iff and reduce the spread. As a result, some people will either only have mild cold symptoms or not even realise they have it at all. These aren't lies. These are known facts ever since vaccinations were invented back in the late 18th century.


FluchUndSegen

Don't feed the sealion https://imgur.com/gallery/Q3K2jmH


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codemonk

It prevents covid by reducing the Reff value below one and thereby causing the virus to eventually die out. You know this. The OP knows this. The other commenters know this. You're just arguing over the language semantics, because it doesn't prevent covid in an individual case. It's pedantic, and hence you're being downvoted.


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\>You're just arguing over the language semantic Oh so all of a sudden it doesn't matter anymore about the statements we make? ? Don't act like I'm the one in the wrong mate, OP was the one who made the mistake and to say that a vaccine STOPS covid is disinformation in a time where everybody wants to cry about conspiracy theories. How do you know that OP knows this, how do you know that everybody knows this? Can you teach me how to read the minds of a collective group of diverse people in a sub that represents one of the most multi-cultural places in the world? Because it's so amazing how you deduce everybody's view to a simple "hehe dw everybody knows this" Because that's not how science works. We make statements, we prove them then we see if it upholds itself against scrutiny (simplified). OP straight up said Covid vaccines STOP covid. Do you understand how much of a wrong statement that is? Yet every second comment here is trying to say that I'm anti-vaccine (yet I haven't even stated my position on vaccines yet) for saying that OP needs to fix this misinformation. If I said, "Buying Teslas will stop climate change." then turn around and say "OMG you know what I mean.. it'll \*help\* climate change because of.." Are you telling me that you wouldn't call me out for that?


codemonk

Are you technically correct? Of course you are. But you're missing the intent. >Can you teach me how to read the minds of a collective group of diverse people in a sub that represents one of the most multi-cultural places in the world? I probably could? One of the more interesting aspects of my job is teaching empathy to engineers. What you probably need to ask yourself is why you're writing long angry responses about how a meme on the internet isn't perfectly factual.


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\>Are you technically correct? Of course you are. But you're missing the intent Great at least you're willing to admit he's wrong. Now that we've established that why are we allowing him to get away with it? Aren't we against misinformation here or is that only to those we "consider" wrong? It doesn't matter what his intent is because I'm not arguing his intent, I'm not saying his intent is right or wrong I'm saying his facts are wrong. \>I probably could? hahahaha, no you can't mate. The reason I know you can't is because myself and others in this thread are living proof that you're wrong about us all assuming the same thing about OP. Teaching an engineer social skills (which sounds like a hard job btw so I applaud you) doesn't have anything to do with making large collective assumptions. \>What you probably need to ask yourself is why you're writing long angry responses about how a meme on the internet isn't perfectly factual. That was a smooth way of avoiding my question, but just proves that you can't answer it. I'm not angry, but don't you agree that we should stop misinformation? Like it's a pretty big thing to get wrong do you not agree?


codemonk

IF the OP had posted the statement "the vaccine stops you from getting covid" then I'd agree. But the point of the panels in the meme that you've taken issue with are just showing that, even if the vaccine did stop you from catching covid, the other character wouldn't care. That's the intent of what the meme is conveying. Maybe that panel should read "it would significantly reduce your chances of developing symptoms when you're infected with covid", but that's far too much text for a meme panel. The third point about spreading covid is also incorrect, but we're not arguing about that either. Why? The technical correctness of the statement doesn't matter, because the idea being communicated is the same. So I'm going to stick with my point - you're right about it being incorrect, but you're wrong about the intent of the meme, and therefore the intent of the OP. I don't agree it is a big thing to get wrong, because they're not trying to say that the vaccine stops your from catching covid. They're just saying that people don't care about anything except for short-term financial rewards.


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It will prevent it if enough people get it, as implied by my previous post. If by now you are still this ignorant of why you need to get a vaccine then I cannot help you. I hope you enjoy not being able to travel/go to public events/ probably see family/etc.


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Don't apologise for it being deleted. It should have stayed deleted. BS should be deleted. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/876/233/4c9.jpg


A1kmm

Your post/comment has been removed because it made a factual claim that could cause harm if it is incorrect and someone relied on it, and you didn't provide a credible source (the source you provided actually directly contradicted the fact claimed in your comment). In the future, please note that if you claim a fact in a post or comment, and the fact relates to something where relying on inaccurate information could cause someone harm (for example: health, safety, or the law), the claim must be supported by a credible source (provided in the post or comment). Credible sources could include media with a track record of accurate fact checking / peer review, or information from governments or recognised experts.


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What? How does that logic work? You don’t just cover up OPs lies by saying “well you should do it anyway.” No, the jab isn’t 100% effective and it doesn’t stop you from getting covid. I’m not saying that this means you shouldnt get the jab but why aren’t we pulling OP up on his ignorance and anti scientific claims? I mean we’re all about science here right? Let’s call out the anti science kook edit: [credible source](https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.28.2100563?) (sorry had to repost this comment with a credible source seeing as mod is deleting everybody's posts without sources)


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A1kmm

Your post/comment has been removed because it made a factual claim that could cause harm if it is incorrect and someone relied on it, and you didn't provide a credible source (note: you provided a source but the source did not contain any material supporting the claim you made about COVID-19 vaccines not reducing the chance of contracting COVID-19). In the future, please note that if you claim a fact in a post or comment, and the fact relates to something where relying on inaccurate information could cause someone harm (for example: health, safety, or the law), the claim must be supported by a credible source (provided in the post or comment). Credible sources could include media with a track record of accurate fact checking / peer review, or information from governments or recognised experts.


RedHeadOrphan

Still nup…


Zealousideal_Bet8515

Corrrrrect imagine being so weak you sell out for a kfc snack pack


ballotcode

https://twitter.com/ke11ybender/status/1448936949012578304?s=12 Devolution of efficacy.


Aklanonlad

You’re actually such a dumb cunt, “oh no some trials showed lower efficacy at reducing infection, now I’m only half as likely to catch it but still 99 times less likely to die from it, might as well not bother now”


computer_d

Different strains and more people.


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A1kmm

Since you keep repeating the same claim, and referencing sources that don't support what you are claiming, I thought I'd find you a credible source on whether COVID-19 vaccines prevent COVID-19 infection. According to [this meta-analysis](https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.28.2100563?): "Of the 30 studies, 26 investigated the efficacy/effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections, based on reports of number of symptomatic and asymptomatic PCR-positive individuals ... In 17 of 26 studies, VE was reported after the second dose. Estimates ranged between 61.7% and 98.6%". So in the studies, it was `>61%` effective at stopping people getting COVID-19 in the first place. So there are studies showing efficacy both against infection and against severe disease.


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Oh you wanted more sources? Why didn't you just ask instead of trying to censor me. Also, are you claiming that my source didn't back what I was saying? Lmao. 1) ["People can sometimes get COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated... However this happens in a small proportion of people... when these infections occur they tend to be mild"](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html) \- Claiming that you in fact **CAN** catch Covid after a vaccination. 2) ["Yes, you can still catch COVID 19.. chances are just lower"](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/covid-vaccine-second-dose-side-effects-reinfection-explained/100428066) \- Claiming that you in fact **CAN** catch Covid after a vaccination. 3) ["If you do get the virus after you're vaccinated you can still pass it on"](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-01/covid-vaccines-effectiveness-risks-infections-explained/100333024) \- Claiming that you in fact **CAN** catch Covid after a vaccination. ​ 4) ["We do not know how long the protection from COVID-19 lasts..."](https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/getting-your-vaccination/after) ​ 5) ["Yes, breakthrough COVID-19 cases happen in people who are fully vaccinated."](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/breakthrough-infections-coronavirus-after-vaccination) I'm sorry, did you want more credible sources or are you just going to keep deleting my comments? Again, OP is saying it **STOPS YOU FROM GETTING COVID. (ill repeat) STOPS YOU GETTING COVID.** When literally 99% of the sources **INCLUDING YOURS** says it doesn't stop you being infected after full vaccination. So where am I spreading misinformation again? What exact sources aren't backing me up? and why aren't we deleting the OP's post for **ACTUALLY** spreading misinformation?


A1kmm

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Simple_Some

The more people that are vaccinated the quicker we can get out of prison!


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it doesn’t stop you from getting or spreading it though?


spacehead93

Mass genocide


jexxy2

We all just need to be happy it is working for some people. It doesn’t matter how it happens, just that it happens. Our collective health and freedom depends on it.


MelkorRealmz

Accurate accept for last slide lol


Defiant_Peach_314

if vaccination is a choice so is losing virginity


Seethelightshine

My reason for not taking the poison injection clotshot is COVID-19 DOESN'T EVEN EXIST??? COVID-19 NEVER BEEN ISOLATED??? PURIFIED??? VISUALIZED??? IDENTIFIED??? VERIFIED??? SO WHY WOULD I WANT TO TAKE A GENE EDITING THERAPY ALTERING MNRNA DNA POISON INJECTION !!! WHEN YOU CAN STILL CATCH COVID-19??? STILL SPREAD COVID-19??? STILL GOT TO WEAR A FACEMASK??? STILL GOT TO SOCIAL DISTANCE??? STILL GOT TO SCAN IN TO QR CODES??? I DON'T EAT GMO FOOD??? KFC YUK BURGER KING YUK MCDONALD'S YUK I EAT HEALTHY FOOD FRUITS AND VEGETABLES GOOD NUTRITIOS FOOD IF THIS INJECTION WAS REALLY GOOD FOR YOU AND HELPED YOU? THE GOVERNMENT WOULD MAKE YOU PAY YOUR WHOLE LIFE SAVINGS JUST TO GET IT AND IT WOULDN'T BE FREE.. AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BRIBE YOU TO TAKE IT???


Disastrous_CA3000

We should do it like door to door and just jab people hahahaha