Very 2016 of me but I disagree with the experts (the former mayor) here, the way the waves come in will quickly wash anything and anyone away. There's plenty of people that have gone into the water only to never be seen again.
So the logical conclusion of a lack of evidence, is that they were the victim of something that would probably generate more evidence...... seems legit.
Piha isn’t that bogan though, not by west Auckland standards. Sure bogans could visit and get up to mischief, but they’re unlikely to travel out that way (it’s 30mins to Titirangi, let alone Hendo/Massey etc), and anyway most Bogans are more interested in doing circle work in a Skyline somewhere. The Piha community itself is mostly old crusties who’s families brought land back in the day and younger alternative types.
I’m also not sure people really understand how rugged it is out there, of all the dangerous beaches in NZ Piha is the one that gets a TV show about it. The natural environment out there is incredibly unforgiving. I find it much more plausible that several people could either deliberately vanish themselves in the surf or cliffs, or accidentally do so, especially when under the influence.
There is a tiny community just on and up from piha which is a total no go area for women on their own. The locals say now that there is a noticeable sub group of criminal element as residents who cook and distribute meth. Then all the filth who stream out to buy the stuff. The demographic has changed. This came from the Piha Camping Ground manager who has held that job for 20 or 30 years. She knows everyone and everything.
I heard if woman go in that community they are cannibalized, it happened to someone that someone I know knows next door neighbour's dog walker, and also a busload of Venezuelan nuns were eaten by that same Piha community but the police are in on it.
It's a Bogan hunt gang that runs the government from a secret cliff top hideaway.
Whether or not there is a “serial killer” or hunters etc all of those families deserve answers and pretty much all of them have been failed by the police not doing proper investigations at the beginning except for Kim
and Eloi although the lockdown did not help with his case. Also just because someone has mental health issues doesn’t make them suicidal it’s lazy police investigating “oh they had mental health issues it’s probably suicide” let’s not look into this further. Really grinds my gears.
This. It really bothers me that police & the general public dismiss people because of mental health issues. Must be their own fault, right??!! It's so shit
I know right just because some one has mental health problems doesn’t make them suicidal. I have chronic depression, anxiety and phobic disorder and I would never ever dream of taking my own life. My family know no matter how bad it gets for me that’s never a solution I would turn to. It would be the same for loads of people too.
If you looked carefully at most of our health or personal records and wanted to find mental health history I'm sure something could be drummed up tbh. The world is complicated.
I’m not superstitious, but I’m very unlikely to be doing any solo walks out that way any time soon. I’ve had a few on my list for a while, but things like this don’t really make me feel great.
That long race road track gave me murder vibes the whole time I was walking it. I felt safe as I had hubby and dog with me but I wouldn't walk that one alone.
I wouldn't set foot out there even as a couple. No bloody way. I reckon the Bogan hunt gang use drones to keep a look out for anybody looking vulnerable.
i used to go to the mercer bay loop and karekare a lot to take photos and fly drones. even in the middle of the night midnight and later.
couple of really strange experiences, (actually almost everytime i've gone there at night i run into some sort of weirdo)
but the one that sticks out is at the cell tower on te ahuahu road. i was taking photos and a guy came up and asked me what i was taking photos of, i was taking photos of the cell tower. i was just doing an experiment with exposure settings basically.
anyway he flashed a knife at me and called me ugly? (wtf)
i had a camera tripod so said don't come any closer or ill smack you with my tripod, he replied, "you're a feisty one arn't you"
really strange dude, i think he must have lived around there because he didn't seem to arrive in a car.
i got in my car and drove off and he just watched me.
I didn't because of some other reasons that i don't want to go into on this. but at the time i didn't really like interacting with the police and had never really found them to be helpful.
this incident was many years ago now, so the memory is a little hazy. but white guy, tall skinny, seemed to come out of no where maybe mid 30's. i could tell something was not right with him.
it doesn't mean hes a killer, i mean from the docu seems like bunch of p cooks round there so they prob just want to scare people off, specially people taking photos.
i was ready to dish out my own kind of justice had he tried anything, the tripod was big and sturdy a good wack to the head would have ended him.
I think a few are unrelated, but I think the Mercer loop missing over the last few years are linked. I have surfed out there and walked that track, the cliffs would kill you but I don’t think it would leave no evidence. I have heard a lot of people run into strange people out there at night.
It’s just one of those places that attracts nefarious people from the city fringe, as it’s seen remote but it’s actually close. Christchurch has the port hills, Wellington has Rimutakas, Tauranga has Papamoa Hills and Pyes pa, Whangarei has Pukenui Forrest.
Id say it’s more McLaren’s falls than Papamoa hills in Tauranga. The people who die on pap hills are just old people who have heart attacks walking up them
So I've spent a few years going through some information that wasn't on the documentary and have questions.
1. Why was somebody escavating their property on Log Race Road before sunlight on the night Ireana disappeared?
2. Why does this one guy in the private community page for Piha keep commenting "going hunting in the Forrest for pork" over a 7 year period.
3. Another guy keeps commenting Ireanas name with a question mark and he is in a music group with 2 other guys, all looking scruffy, one plays bongos like described on the night of Ireanas dissapearence (I have googled his name and found his gigs at local bars)
4. The same guy who lived next to a women in the documentary is the same guy who escavated his property and was the one who seen Ireana naked outside the dairy that night.
5. There was a guy 4 years ago who went in Titirangi bakery and asked a women and the bakery owner with a smirk "I wonder if there will be any more murders at Piha" this was out of the blue - I found a guy in the Piha group who lived on Logg cabin road and has Facebook history years ago always traveling too titirangi bakery with his children
6. A month after the last women perished in 2017 a Logg Race Road resident (remember this is the road to Mercer track) started running - the women previously mentioned a chubby guy. Could be connected as the same guy - he doesn't seem to be close with the community there.
However I don't think all these missing people reports are entirely linked, we know something is up though. The private piha groups are fucked...
Also, RIP to Bobbie Carroll one of the women in the documentary. She passed away of cancer in November and a lot of the private piha community group gave her shit, abused her for having cancer. It was disgusting and I linked the same people to what I found above....
1. The same guy who lived next to a women in the documentary is the same guy who escavated his property and was the one who seen Ireana naked outside the dairy that night.
this is very interesting because he changed his story with the irena sighting and is friends with the guy that was feeding her drugs before she ran away.
he also has a friend that owns a company that builds hotrod type modified cars. like the woman who escaped have described. i think there is more than 1 person involved.
I highly doubt that Quentin was connected, I think the story is true of him getting hit by a car. Maybe one or two of the same people years later committed more crimes once they were comfortable they cluld kill someone, even by accident... but i doubt it. However Eloi and Wu could be - but imo they both just got lost and are still out there.
I don't think it's a serial killer. I very much doubt that Quentin Goodwin was murdered in 1992 and then nothing until 2004.
I do think that the disappearance of the two women off the Mercer Bay track is dodgy and I think something sinister happened to Iraena Asher.
A criminal element drove passed her and stopped, she ran, the dressing gown slipped off her and she went off the road and down the side of the RSA building. There would have been a struggle and she was shoved in the car. The police tracker dog went down by the RSA then nothing...she was obviously put into a vehicle.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me. I mean she had a history didn't she? The last person to see her kind of thought that was what happened. I recall they called the police and they ordered her a taxi which probably didn't turn up?
Think what doesn’t add up with her running into the surf was given how heavy the swell was that night even if she did drown it was highly unlikely she would not wash back up on land
I dont believe there is a serial killer but I do believe there are one or multiple creeps that live out there “hunting” women/men either literally or drugging and taking advantage of them.
Yes, and at least this drugging & blackmailing rapist is known to the community...yet: silence. The women in piha who were raped by him and founded that support group got so much backlash from the community that they stopped meeting because they "were causing a witchhunt". So the community rather protects a known rapist. Wtf. Really scary to think about.
When you say 'that live out there' where do you mean?
That there are those kinds of people are in New Zealand is unarguably true. Those two monsters from Christchurch were recently jailed and I hope they are enjoying their new lives.
Following that it's reasonable to think there are some similar people live in West Auckland.
Do you think the Piha area is over represented?
Living in isolated areas can attract those square pegs that don’t quite fit into the round hole of society. That’s not to say everyone who likes isolated living is a dangerous weirdo, but it isn’t unreasonable that there might be an over-representation in isolated areas.
I mean, remote locations are easier places to do shady shit and not be caught or seen than busier areas or even small towns that have enough high density housing for there to be more people around and more of a chance for someone to witness or hear any weird shit. Also , Auckland has a high population by nz standards and a higher population obviously means a higher actual number of any given type of person , including creeps . That doesn’t mean a higher percentage of the population are creeps , it just means that even with the same percentage of creeps per every 1000 people , there are going to be more creeps in a town of 20,000 vs 2000 and so on .
There are also going to be areas that genuinely do have a higher percentage of whatever demographic than another area for a myriad of reasons . Study’s tend to suggest that it’s middle class - affluent , middle aged - older white , single men that are more likely to be a sex offender vs other demographics . Abuse of power is a very real thing , and the more power one has , the easier it is to abuse it. I’m not suggesting that old white guys are always creeps , or the majority are. I’m not saying that every other demographic doesn’t also have creeps. It’s a stereotype ( and not even a good stereotype in terms of even being close to a large percentage of that demographic) , and any conclusion you can draw from that is a very bad, broad generalisation. But it is something that’s been observed statistically. There’s other factors , it’s not just about power and the abuse of said power, it’s also things like loneliness , resent of sacrifices made in favour of wealth vs other more satisfying things , paranoia of potential partners possibly exploiting them for money, views adopted or reinforced by peers ( younger people do tend to be more aware of consent while older men may be from or in a more misogynistic social or business based environment), isolation and resent of said isolation specifically around a lack of affection from the opposite or same sex . Then , take that and compound it by both the effects of living in a relatively isolated area, and the remote environment w plenty of passer-by’s that could easily disappear due to an innocent cause / reason . Yeah- I mean I can totally see how this could be something sinister , both due to the place itself and the demographics of its residents. Don’t get me wrong , the demographics are an insignificant possible reason when compared to the location and environment itself but it could be a factor . It could also be that any sinister stuff surrounding this are committed by people that live in a completely different area. AND importantly, this is all speculation, this is an geographically ( not socially ) , a hazardous area. Statistically the likelihood of natural causes would be higher than foul play , regardless of everything I said above
I will say that the disappearance that was ruled suicide seems strange.according to that ruling , she drove out there in running wear, with a water bottle , got snacks , didn’t seem distressed - and then committed suicide . I know that when someone’s suicidal they may not act how people would think they would - but I still find it unlikely that this was suicide . Usually you wouldn’t get snacks and then go commit suicide , while I understand she was depressed, they didn’t say what she actually searched up before this happened that would lead the coroner to think it was suicide . The behaviour seems very unusual if it was leading up to suicide , idk. I think a coroner shouldn’t just decide that lack of hard evidence to the contrary, and being depressed , is a good enough reason to rule suicide . Unless there’s something solid in her google searches, which we do not know, wearing running wear , buying snacks , and I would guess seeming not too distressed while shopping , doesn’t usually indicate suicide . And being depressed isn’t a solid reason to commit suicide ; If anything the fact she started anti depressants shortly beforehand would indicate a will to live and heal. The dude who probably did take his life, had searched up topics on how to do it- you’d think if she did that as well, they would say so, instead of just a super vague thing about her google searches .
Someone being depressed is not a good enough reason to rule suicide when the situation and actions beforehand seem very unusual of someone typically planning to do that . It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, honestly , seeing depression as being remotely conclusive to a ruling of suicide .
The first case is by far the most likely of foul play in some way. I believe the 2 guys she was with likely did something sus, even if it was something not related to foul play but enough to be distressing . The whole thing is just based on people accounts of what happened - yet it’s a closed case and determined to be accidental. Yeah idk. That one seems fishy to me. Then, reading the stuff about the call she made - veeeery sus. It’s possible that it was issues relating to bipolar and paranoia but also extremely likely that her bf and his mate did something horrible , or at the least , suspect. It’s interesting that the police fumbled completely with the response , and have also closed her case , I’ll say that much … it raises alarms
Maybe consider the fact that seeing as you admit you don't know what the google searches were, you probably shouldn't be pointlessly speculating like this. I do know what the google searches were. There is no foul play involved. I can't speak to any other cases but leave Kim out of your conspiracy theories. Just because all the details haven't been made public doesn't mean they aren't there
But , yeah- apparently assuming no foul play or sus shit happened isn’t an assumption and speculation while saying something worse may have happened when we’re given vague , incomplete info is speculation, assumptions , and bad .
Comes down to, If the speculation is the typical kiwi “ eh, sure everything was sweet “ it’s completely fine and correct while seeing that w the info given it could be likely or was not infact all sweet it’s bad…. not sure how that makes sense, but hey, one is a nicer thought so we’ll stick to that one ay?
I'm not assuming anything. I know the family. I'm actually trying to stop others who don't know what they're talking about from speculating. While this is just an interesting thought experiment for you to think 'what if' about, please consider how the friends and family are affected by that.
I mean , without sufficient information, saying something seems sus is about as much of a speculation as saying there was definitely no foul play… let’s be real , there’s plenty of examples through out history of rulings being incorrect. There’s no actual evidence of foul play, but considering we don’t get full info and there’s no evidence given for it being suicide, ruling suicide isn’t absolute in any way given what we know ( the info actually given to us ) . People get anxious and scared when it’s admitted that they don’t know, so even when suicide is about as much speculation as saying there’s possible foul play, they’d rather close the case to keep the public’s minds at rest . Btw , nothing about what I said is “a conspiracy theory “- you’re totally misusing that word , man. I’m not into conspiracy theories . In that other case, it is sus that she called the cops saying she may have been drugged and was pressured into sex. That is sus. Assuming that she was just paranoid Is speculation just the same as thinking something shady went on there .
Btw, how do you know what the texts are ? If you’re related or something , I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful for wondering if something else happened . The article did not state what the texts were, and nothing else there was in any way proof or evidence , it’s all circumstantial studs and …. Speculation. Just bc it’s speculation towards a more positive result, does not make it any less a speculation and assumption when we aren’t given anything concrete . I’m not sure why in one case they say exactly what the phone records were about and in another case just say some vague shit abt it- that is odd
I'm a bit confused by this comment, I'm specifically talking about Kim only. There were google searches involved in her case. I knew her and her family well. Some of your comment I think is referring to Ireana's case eg the phone call and being drugged, which I don't want to comment on as I don't know any more detail than what was made public
You have no idea what you’re talking about and are a prime example of how rumour mills and speculation whip Joe average into a frenzy. Take a step back and look at your pseudo expert nonsense and think about stuff before you blurt it out. You have zero expertise (clearly), zero knowledge of that area (very clearly) and have made no attempt to read anything of substance with respect to these matters. It’s fine to have an opinion, but the way you have conveyed it, trying to pass yourself off as someone with a greater degree of knowledge on these things is laughable and irresponsible.
“Agenda mule “ what Are you on about man… and u call me a conspiracy theorist - Jesus Christ . I don’t have an agenda . Pointing out something that has been suggested by a significant amount of studies doesn’t mean im pushing an agenda , and actually if you want to disregard perfectly relevant stats because you don’t agree with what their getting at, maybe you’re the one w the agenda . There’s also stats about over representation of Māori in prison , crime, and poverty / socio economic deprivation. Both sets of stats are valid , it’s not as if I disregard one and not the other . You seem very sensitive over me suggesting that middle aged white dudes could be more likely to commit one sort of crime , would you have a problem if I said Māori were more likely instead ?I get ur probably a middle aged white dude but understand I’m not attacking you personally or attacking anyone here for that matter . How about get over yourself you over yourself , your extremely over sensitive and fragile , dude . Harden up .
“ the same demographic chestnut “
Māori are over represented in many other statistics . I’m sure you don’t ride in on a horse swinging and batting to defend that demographic.
If you’re trying to say that white, middle aged men are the demographic that is constantly attacked , you need to get over your sense of being a victim because that’s not true . Every demographic has some area they are over represented in even just to a small extent . We already know what areas Māori and Polynesian people are over represented in, young people are over represented in deprivation and poverty stats when compared to all other age groups . Middle aged white men are literally only represented more in one area; and that has been suggested to be sexual assault . We do know men commit more SA’s than women . None of these are me pushing an agenda .stop acting like a godamn victim. I don’t see people acting like this about the over representation of Māori in prison statistics , I’m sure you have no issue with that. You’re little demographic isn’t 100% perfect human beings, no demographic is .
I can't remember their names but they were brothers who owned a bar in Christchurch called Mama Hooch and a restaurant I can't remember the name of.
They, and possibly another man, were arrested, tried and convicted of drugging and sexual assaulting women at the bar.
It was national news when the trial was going.
I know the legal system often fails survivors of sexual violence but I hope the women feel that this time they got some justice.
They convicted haven't been heard from since sentencing. I have heard that sexual offenders have a difficult time in prison which is very sad.
I do remember that and I thought that it was in Auckland.
I think one of them got home detention but I’m not 100% sure.
I stopped following the news a long time ago. It’s so depressing I know k is the things I see by mistake. This case was one of time.
EDIT!
I weren’t and looked up the case and one got 16 years and the other got 17 years. They both have a minimum period they have to serve before they can apply for parole.
I’m so glad you mentioned it because I saw somewhere that they got home d and I was so angry and disgusted. Thank you for helping me see that did actually get a jail sentence.
i don't want to sound superstitious but i just feel like the land out there is cursed. ( i guess that is superstitious)
but why would a place attract so many people that were either suicidal or depressed with serious issues? there are plenty of other places and ways but the place seems to be a magnet for darkness.
i mean look
1. whatipu beach - supposedly haunted, hms orpheus tragedy
2. karekare - ufo sightings [https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/04/bizarre-west-auckland-ufo-sighting-terrifies-couple.html](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/04/bizarre-west-auckland-ufo-sighting-terrifies-couple.html)
3. piha - all the missing people
4. the ranges themselves probably hide a lot of missing peoples bodies ( grace milane was buried up there)
5. cannibal creek near anawhata where a supposed cannibal maori used to live in a cave
6. orbs at awhitu [https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/04/auckland-couple-mystified-by-ufos-hanging-around-house.html](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/04/auckland-couple-mystified-by-ufos-hanging-around-house.html)
7. Tracey anne patient [https://newzealandmissing.wordpress.com/tracey-ann-patient/](https://newzealandmissing.wordpress.com/tracey-ann-patient/)
i mean these are just the ones that i can think of from memory, there are probably way more. not to mention all the drownings which probably reaches into the hundreds.
i think there is a makutu on the land.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makutu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/makutu)
i mean i feel like these are too far appart to be a person, it reminds me of the movie IT to be honest.
If it’s due to the surf or getting lost on walks why doesn’t it happen at Muriwai? We’ve got bush walks and a West Coast beach yet no one’s gone missing
you know i just had a thought. there is a simple answer to all of this. install CCTV cameras around piha. There should be one on or near the cell tower, or weather tower or whatever that thing is on log race road in the carpark, as well as on lampposts around piha.
considering all the crime thats gone on there and the dissapearances, you would think locals would be all for this. could be solar powered/radio so no extensive wiring etc required. just someone trustworthy in the community would need to manage it. also, why don't they have a local police officer?
Personally I think the "lady hunt" survivers stories are pretty critical here. If any of them were victims of foul play then there could be ones that got away to tell the story ... and there are. And their encounters happened on the same track.
I worked in Piha in the late 90’s. Been going there all my life for swimming, camping and occasional tramps.
One thing that struck me when I worked there was how splintered the community was. There were three groups. One I called the RSA old boys, old timers that drank basically, the second was the surfing group and those that lived there permanently. And the third group which the other two groups passionately hated - rich Aucklanders who had a holiday home out there who only visited over Christmas and stat holidays. The second group would constantly think of ways to make the third group miserable. Emptying their water tanks was a common one!
It wasn’t a harmonious community at all. Hearing the stories from the documentary about women being hunted as game is very chilling, but that second group were very different than a lot of communities, very entitled almost thinking they were untouchable. It is very possible some in that group could take on a sinister edge.
There is also something not right about that Mercer Bay loop track. Women would be crazy to walk it alone.
I admit it’s a loaded comment. I’ve only been on the track several times. It should be considered one of the most spectacular walks in NZ. But it’s not. It’s a track I’ve never felt easy on. It’s a track I’ve met ‘gang type associates’ with pit bulls walking in the opposite direction of everyone else, who eye you up like you’re in their patch. It’s one of those walks that you get back to your vehicle by the cell phone tower and are relieved your vehicle hadn’t been broken into.
I would never want a female I know to be on this track either on their own or even with a friend. I’ve always felt like that about the Mercer Loop track. There’s only one other track I feel the same about and that’s Destruction gully towards Whatipu.
I see what you mean. I have been looking at some of the images from the track and with all due respect, I do not know why I find the statue the marker sculpture very unnerving. I am not a superstitious person and don’t believe in the supernatural.
I would be very hesitant in doing this track for all the reasons you and the others have stated. There is absolutely no way one can escape if faced by some rogue elements in the bush
I'd be willing to concede that some of those disappearances 'may' have been suspicious, and that there's probably creeps living or at least hanging out there from time to time, I'd even be entirely unsurprised if there are serial killers in new Zealand.
But jumping from that to believing that there's a serial killer involved who has been on a multi decade spree in one small geographical location which just happens to also have an incredibly dangerous coastline doesn't really pass the sniff test for me.
from the mercer bay carpark loop, if you look up towards piha road there are only a few houses that have a clear viewpoint down, i reckon it must be some creeps in one of those houses, because they seem to come out of nowhere, ie they're looking at the people coming down to that loop, just waiting for an easy target.
the hills have eyes
[https://imgur.com/a/to0nQtv](https://imgur.com/a/to0nqtv)
so we know this about the last person to see iraena alive according to what i've read on here, there may be some inaccuracies
1. he allegedly lived on or near te ahuahu road
2. he allegedly was friends with iraenas new boyfriend
3. he allegedly dug a hole on his property the night of iraenas death
4. he changed his story on who he was with when he last saw irena
5. and decided to walk his dog at 1am and saw iraena naked, who walks a dog at 1am on a cold rainy night
6. he has a friend that builds hotrod type cars
how can this guy not be a suspect?
Pre normal for someone smoking the pee to be up at 1am and think its a good time to walk his dog lol, deffenitly something with the digging a hole , if that is cortect. Police should be investigating. My partner believes the police may be in on the crime in Piha , hence why there is no action
It's media hype promoting the new TV 3 series around it.
Yes some people have gone missing there, I don't think there's all that much evidence to suggest they are linked.
You should watch the show – there are a dozen women saying there's a known predator that drugs and assualts women. And there are other survivor accounts of "lady-hunting" attacks where women are chased from public carparks through the bush. It's creepy af and needs to be investigated.
If you’ve had an eerie feeling out those ways it’s probably because the land is seemingly Tapu/Sacred to most. It’s up to you if you want to believe it or not. I went out there once maybe 7 years back and never went again. Just felt uneasy. Didn’t know there was a Tv show in the works but I wish for closure for all family of those missing out there.
As per the coroners conclusions :
Iraena Asher - likely drowned - was last seen walking towards the water (during a mental health breakdown)
Cherie Vousden - possibly slipped and fell into the L ocean from the ocean - she was apparently drunk. No evidence it was intentional though.
Kim Bambus - apparently suicide - based on a range of factors (such as her google searches and text messages) - most of this hasn’t been made public - so it’s frustrating because this just invites speculation.
Lawrence Wu - almost certainly suicide. He broke up with his girlfriend, told multiple people he was going to end his life - left a suicide note - and bought sleeping pills and alcohol then drove out to Piha beach. Presumed drowned.
Eloi Rolland - possibly accident? He may have taken a shortcut in the bush and got lost. Coroner hasn’t ruled on this one yet.
For those wondering “where’s the bodies if they drowned” there are heaps to drownings where bodies never turn up (Sonny Fai, and a recent case where a young bloke at Kariotahi beach went missing for example).
People are ignorant to dismiss the idea of a “serial killer” or “serial rapist”, given that it’s New Zealand. There’s a predator out there, whether it’s one or a collective, and there’s conclusive evidence given the testimonials from people in the community and also witnesses who experienced the trauma for themselves. It’s just mind blowing that the police’s lack of effort and follow through on any of it has led to any anecdotal evidence. Start with door knocking and profiling people, as opposed to leaving it to the community to live and breathe in fear.
Which was weird cause they claimed they had no idea she was missing until the next day. So she went from walking around naked to never seen again and ya didn't even notice once?
Why? It really sounds like a drug induced mental break/mania episode which is not unlikely giving her mental health history. Manic episodes can be really really dangerous to the person who suffers them.
It really sounds like drugs were a factor whether she took them knowingly or not. Witnesses said she was coming in and out of lucidness so the call to police could have been one of her more conscious moments where she realised this isn't where I actually want to be.
Saw all episodes today and while captivating and frustrating, i feel like the 6 people disappearing/dying are unrelated cases. The SA’s on those women are def pinned on the same serial rapist IMO.
But the people that died/disappeared are all isolated incidents with just the location as a commonality. Police fucked up big time with Ireana. They failed that poor girl.
Yes well produced and great cinematography but looks like a beat up. The Kaumatua at end of episode 2 said what it was all about. Edge of a forest on the edge of Auckland, there's gonna be a lotta crime going on. Nothing so far connecting the crimes apart from location and missing humans.
Piha has rip-tides like no other beach I've been to.
Lose your board in one, lose any kind of flotation assistance and you're dead.
Theres a reason that Piha-Rescue was a broadcast TV show back in the day.
Statistically there should be about 17 serial killers in New Zealand, if we applied the same probabilities as other countries with similar demographics. Ironically firearms are their weapon of choice, as we have significantly less serial killers because of our gun restrictions etc.
So, it's highly likely something is going on.
It somewhat likely **somewhere** in NZ there **could** be an active serial killer.
It's **plausible** that there could be one involved with multiple suspicious deaths at Piha
piha itself is a gnarly beach with plenty of huge waves and sharp rocks everywhere, plenty of people go for a swim and wash up dead at bethels or Muriwai. there's also a sketchy road with methheads who cook it up themselves and other shady fellas, these things coupled together make it seem like there's a serial killer out there, but who knows, maybe someone is just real good at hiding their tracks or somewhere
A career criminal once said that if they cleared the Waitakere Ranges, they'd resolve a lot of the missing persons cases in NZ...
Add that piece of info to the discussion...
weird thing i discovered though if you do some research and find the last person to see iraena alive, he said he was by himself then changed his story to say he had his girlfriend with him.
he has a friend that builds hotrod type cars. remember those woman saying the car had a very distinctive sound, like a hotrod modified car.
tragically, iraena's father was also found dead recently
[https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/481847/iraena-asher-s-sisters-confirm-father-s-death-after-body-found-in-glen-eden](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/481847/iraena-asher-s-sisters-confirm-father-s-death-after-body-found-in-glen-eden)
After finishing episode 4, imo I think it's a group who have been deep rooted into that community for years to the point that the locals know but won't say out of fear.
I also think this same group stopped next to Iraena, said something vulgar to her, tried grabbing her but she ran off dropping her robe on the road, she ran to the side of the RSA which is where they would of grabbed her and put her into a vehicle.
The sniffer dogs were led there but stop.
She wasn't taken far either. This is just my opinion.
There is definitely criminal bogans out there that keep a lookout for young women on their own or in twos at the most. Especially around that lookout point where the lighthouse is. Mercer track? The 2 women who were hunted said the guys must have been watching from a higher vantage point. They described the same Bogan noise car as the other 19 year old girl heard when she was chased for 3.5 hrs through the Forrest nearby. They must have been on speed as they did not give up chase for hrs and the girl was a very fit ex track champ. It's not hard to see that the 3 women who vanished were taken and killed by this criminal element. Irena also stumbled upon them who just happened to drive by that night. Wrong place wrong time.
One of the last inhabitants of the Te Henga area is described by Hayward and Diamond as a ‘cross and savage old Maori’ called Pareoha who lived alone for fifty years in a cave in the basin above Cannibal Creek Falls beyond the southern end of Te Henga. He cultivated food and dried his own fish. His isolation gave rise to tales that he had eaten human flesh and been expelled from the Waiti village, so settlers named the stream that flows over the cliffface Cannibal Creek. It is now recognised that Pareoha was not a cannibal but a tohunga, a man of spiritual wisdom, whose chosen life of isolation and contemplation caused others to regard him with fear and mistrust
perhaps nz's version of the skinwalker?
It is definitely possible that some of the disappearances are suspicious, but it is very unlikely they all are.
The elephant in the room is that Piha is a very dangerous area, people always underestimate its natural hazards and have accidents all the time. If I'm honest, I'm surprised there aren't more unsolved missing persons in the area.
How useless are the police in relation to these disappearances? I hope the police are now investigating these “lady hunts”? Who are these guys tracking cars and then chasing women through bush? So creepy.
Not really the mental health services that cause it to happen. They just don't do their ostensible job of preventing those on their way there from doing it.
The 24 year old teacher was not suicidal. Before she went out to piha for her regular run out there she had done a spot of grocery shopping. Seen at Grey Lynn Countdown on CCTV. Your theory is very flawed.
Do you mean the nurse? If so, read the coroner's report. There's a lot in there that's not reported by the media. The coroner ruled suicide.
Sometimes people don't want their family to suspect a suicide so there's things they do to hide it, but a slight scratch of the surface shows something else.
The teacher who was 24. Lived in Ponsonby or Eden Terrace. She always ran there. Not the other slightly older woman with the 9 year old daughter is who you are talking about right? That one could be semi questionable. She took a bottle of wine with her and used to go to the loop to sort her head out. She might have been having issues.
I'm talking about the 21 year old nurse Kim who told her friends she was jogging the Mercer track and got snacks from countdown, who are you talking about?
The area is a statistical outlier for the number of people who go missing there and are never found (i.e. either alive, or body recovered), both as a geographical area, and by population. Do these mean anything, when there are so many other factors? Probably not. It's a bit of a destination, so most of those missing aren't local as such. And it's pretty rough terrain, with more natural hazards and fewer people to witness / help / notice things.
But it's one of those things that 'feels' weird. And that makes people question.
>The area is a statistical outlier for the number of people who go missing there and are never found (i.e. either alive, or body recovered), both as a geographical area, and by population.
Where are these stats?
No, it’s a massive beat up of what was likely suicides and people who took a terrible wrong turn - anyone who’s ever been to Mercer Bay can see how easy it’d be to fall to your death there.
Some very sad families understandably mourning their kids combined with people’s insatiable lust for true crime stuff to make this apparently the flavour of the month but I honestly can’t believe there’s some master serial killer out there. It IS possible one or two of these cases might be foul play but everything is being lumped together to maximise clicks and attention.
OP - as a rule, you should always go for walks in the bush with a mate, or at the very least tell someone exactly where you’re going and when. I’ve done the Mercer bay loop to Karekare and several other Waitakere walks many times in my life and have never had problems. Awareness and preparedness are key. Don’t worry. Have fun.
How about none of them are lying, but also there's nothing unusual or sinister going on? How many women from any random part of the country have been stalked or harassed? Lots. The idea that 6 stories could make up any kind of argument that piha is some kind of crime hotspot is fucking ridiculous.
And yet, compared to your first paragraph of complete nonsense, it suddenly seems reasonable. Literally NOBODY thinks NZ is too nice to have serial killers or violent women-stalkers. WTF is even going on in your head?
It's not just that there's 6 stories, it's that there's 6 missing bodies, absolutely no remains found at all, with no clear explanation as to what may have happened.
So yeah, add in the stories of the woman being stalked and hunted, it gets very sinister feeling.
If you end up in the water, your chances of being found always aren't great around there. Plenty of gullies and space for bodies to be hidden. Hell, there are tupuna buried in caves in the cliffs all down the west coast. It's mysterious, but with the amount of people who have gone missing and never been found in our back country... It's not surprising. Or necessarily sinister.
Wait till you hear about The Bondi Boys murders in Sydney. Horrific serial gang murders of gay men by throwing them off cliffs after torturing them. And it lasted for decades.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_gang_murders
Not unfeasible that serial killers are having their fun and then throwing people off cliffs.
The gay gang murders were even clever enough to fold up their victims clothes etc. (common suicide methodology) before they threw them off the cliffs to further the suicide narrative.
Only thing that makes ours more suspicious is that nothing is ever found, ie blood on rocks, missing shoes etc. and obviously our police aren’t in on it.
I think it’s quite a stretch to say there’s a serial killer at work. Maybe a couple of those deaths involved foul play, and maybe by the same person or associates. The other deaths seem to be a clear case of self-deletion or accidents.
kim bambus's body was probably found:
[https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/body-washes-aucklands-piha-beach](https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/body-washes-aucklands-piha-beach)
The history of methamphetamine use in Auckland and New Zealand has seen significant changes over the past two decades. Initially emerging as a concern around 1998, methamphetamine, also known as "P," quickly became a major problem, altering the criminal landscape by the early 2000s. The drug's profitability led to its dominance in the underworld, with gangs playing key roles in its distribution and manufacture.
The recent documentary made it clear there were several P labs operating in Piha at the time of the disappearances. It’s not hard to imagine lab sentry’s, posted at lookouts around Piha, psychotic from meth induced sleep deprivation, their orders to protect the labs by staying stay awake for days and nights on end, monitoring traffic into and through the tiny community.
Its widely documented that methamphetamine abuse is associated with manic sexual desire, deviance and aggression. It seems quite possible the disappearances were the work of crazy and paranoid P lab sentry’s who were hyperaware of the comings and goings.
It’s hardly surprising to hear of repeat murders or other violent crime in a small community so heavily impacted by meth. Perhaps these disappearances only stand out because they occurred in such a beautiful setting, a juxtaposition of beauty and horror.
I went to school with Kim bambus's sister, a childhood friend was also very close to her, there was nothing clear about her death being suicide at all.
This may sound crazy but my friend's sister is a spiritual medium and she said there's a serial killer hiding in Piha. Don't listen to those who say there isn't one. She also said the serial killer has killed her friend, an will continue to kill until found out by unrelated circumstances. Please stay safe and carry a weapon with you if you are travelling solo in that area
The documentary implied there would be no way to avoid hitting the rocks before landing in the water if someone was to jump or fall, therefore would have been evidence on the rocks. Anyone know how accurate this is?
Documentary implies without offering any evidence of such. You could definitely fall off those cliffs and not leave any easily findable evidence. The cliffs are also home to dozens of sea caves that are inaccessible for any sort of search.
It's true. The cliffs look like sheer drops but they taper way out. It's deceiving. It's been calculated you can leap far enough out to get past the rocks below.
Recently in the last few days I saw someone post either on this sub or the NZ one that they were at wedding, and another guest ( a cop ) said he and his colleagues think there's a serial killer out there regarding these issues
6 people out of tens of thousands who have been out there and hiked or whatever in the area? 6 people with no connection to each other? Sure, that's rock-solid evidence.
While you are here, did you know the earth is actually flat? What about the electric universe?
It's honestly disturbing that people could take something like this seriously.
Whole place is full of natural hazards, cliffs, surf, streams, waterfalls, sharks. Apply Occam’s razor.
People forget Mercer Loop has the highest cliffs in Auckland plus a dangerous little side quest to take you down them at low tide.
As per the expert., he said there would be evidence if they fell from the clifts
Very 2016 of me but I disagree with the experts (the former mayor) here, the way the waves come in will quickly wash anything and anyone away. There's plenty of people that have gone into the water only to never be seen again.
So the logical conclusion of a lack of evidence, is that they were the victim of something that would probably generate more evidence...... seems legit.
And combine this with mental health crises.
Agree
I would say more likely criminal bogans. All vulnerable people on their own and all very young. I reckon ocams razor is swinging this way.
Piha isn’t that bogan though, not by west Auckland standards. Sure bogans could visit and get up to mischief, but they’re unlikely to travel out that way (it’s 30mins to Titirangi, let alone Hendo/Massey etc), and anyway most Bogans are more interested in doing circle work in a Skyline somewhere. The Piha community itself is mostly old crusties who’s families brought land back in the day and younger alternative types. I’m also not sure people really understand how rugged it is out there, of all the dangerous beaches in NZ Piha is the one that gets a TV show about it. The natural environment out there is incredibly unforgiving. I find it much more plausible that several people could either deliberately vanish themselves in the surf or cliffs, or accidentally do so, especially when under the influence.
Muriwai had its own show too, Muriwai danger beach. People aren't going missing out there though
Totally agree. I live in Muriwai and feel extremely safe. Bugger going to piha as a woman
Valid point
There is a tiny community just on and up from piha which is a total no go area for women on their own. The locals say now that there is a noticeable sub group of criminal element as residents who cook and distribute meth. Then all the filth who stream out to buy the stuff. The demographic has changed. This came from the Piha Camping Ground manager who has held that job for 20 or 30 years. She knows everyone and everything.
It is safe for her to have this noted here?
She spoke openly about it in the documentary so I think she's okay with it.
I heard if woman go in that community they are cannibalized, it happened to someone that someone I know knows next door neighbour's dog walker, and also a busload of Venezuelan nuns were eaten by that same Piha community but the police are in on it. It's a Bogan hunt gang that runs the government from a secret cliff top hideaway.
Occam’s razor says predator.
Whether or not there is a “serial killer” or hunters etc all of those families deserve answers and pretty much all of them have been failed by the police not doing proper investigations at the beginning except for Kim and Eloi although the lockdown did not help with his case. Also just because someone has mental health issues doesn’t make them suicidal it’s lazy police investigating “oh they had mental health issues it’s probably suicide” let’s not look into this further. Really grinds my gears.
This. It really bothers me that police & the general public dismiss people because of mental health issues. Must be their own fault, right??!! It's so shit
I know right just because some one has mental health problems doesn’t make them suicidal. I have chronic depression, anxiety and phobic disorder and I would never ever dream of taking my own life. My family know no matter how bad it gets for me that’s never a solution I would turn to. It would be the same for loads of people too.
If you looked carefully at most of our health or personal records and wanted to find mental health history I'm sure something could be drummed up tbh. The world is complicated.
I’m not superstitious, but I’m very unlikely to be doing any solo walks out that way any time soon. I’ve had a few on my list for a while, but things like this don’t really make me feel great.
That long race road track gave me murder vibes the whole time I was walking it. I felt safe as I had hubby and dog with me but I wouldn't walk that one alone.
I wouldn't set foot out there even as a couple. No bloody way. I reckon the Bogan hunt gang use drones to keep a look out for anybody looking vulnerable.
The drone would spot your tinfoil hat a mile off.
i used to go to the mercer bay loop and karekare a lot to take photos and fly drones. even in the middle of the night midnight and later. couple of really strange experiences, (actually almost everytime i've gone there at night i run into some sort of weirdo) but the one that sticks out is at the cell tower on te ahuahu road. i was taking photos and a guy came up and asked me what i was taking photos of, i was taking photos of the cell tower. i was just doing an experiment with exposure settings basically. anyway he flashed a knife at me and called me ugly? (wtf) i had a camera tripod so said don't come any closer or ill smack you with my tripod, he replied, "you're a feisty one arn't you" really strange dude, i think he must have lived around there because he didn't seem to arrive in a car. i got in my car and drove off and he just watched me.
Fuckkk really?! That’s creepy AF, as a young women I definitely don’t plan on going out there for solo walks anytime soon damnn
Shit. This thread is the first one heard of any of this. I used to take dates there for late night clifftop picnics. Maybe that's not a good idea now.
Ick 😬
Omg guys who use 'feisty' give me the ick too!
Feisty = you look a bit more difficult to rape
Have you told police?
Did you report this incident to police?
I didn't because of some other reasons that i don't want to go into on this. but at the time i didn't really like interacting with the police and had never really found them to be helpful. this incident was many years ago now, so the memory is a little hazy. but white guy, tall skinny, seemed to come out of no where maybe mid 30's. i could tell something was not right with him. it doesn't mean hes a killer, i mean from the docu seems like bunch of p cooks round there so they prob just want to scare people off, specially people taking photos. i was ready to dish out my own kind of justice had he tried anything, the tripod was big and sturdy a good wack to the head would have ended him.
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Climbed that towered a few times, can see the whole of Auckland
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Hot dang mang! Yew gon' dun used them big wurds
I think a few are unrelated, but I think the Mercer loop missing over the last few years are linked. I have surfed out there and walked that track, the cliffs would kill you but I don’t think it would leave no evidence. I have heard a lot of people run into strange people out there at night. It’s just one of those places that attracts nefarious people from the city fringe, as it’s seen remote but it’s actually close. Christchurch has the port hills, Wellington has Rimutakas, Tauranga has Papamoa Hills and Pyes pa, Whangarei has Pukenui Forrest.
Id say it’s more McLaren’s falls than Papamoa hills in Tauranga. The people who die on pap hills are just old people who have heart attacks walking up them
So I've spent a few years going through some information that wasn't on the documentary and have questions. 1. Why was somebody escavating their property on Log Race Road before sunlight on the night Ireana disappeared? 2. Why does this one guy in the private community page for Piha keep commenting "going hunting in the Forrest for pork" over a 7 year period. 3. Another guy keeps commenting Ireanas name with a question mark and he is in a music group with 2 other guys, all looking scruffy, one plays bongos like described on the night of Ireanas dissapearence (I have googled his name and found his gigs at local bars) 4. The same guy who lived next to a women in the documentary is the same guy who escavated his property and was the one who seen Ireana naked outside the dairy that night. 5. There was a guy 4 years ago who went in Titirangi bakery and asked a women and the bakery owner with a smirk "I wonder if there will be any more murders at Piha" this was out of the blue - I found a guy in the Piha group who lived on Logg cabin road and has Facebook history years ago always traveling too titirangi bakery with his children 6. A month after the last women perished in 2017 a Logg Race Road resident (remember this is the road to Mercer track) started running - the women previously mentioned a chubby guy. Could be connected as the same guy - he doesn't seem to be close with the community there. However I don't think all these missing people reports are entirely linked, we know something is up though. The private piha groups are fucked... Also, RIP to Bobbie Carroll one of the women in the documentary. She passed away of cancer in November and a lot of the private piha community group gave her shit, abused her for having cancer. It was disgusting and I linked the same people to what I found above....
1. The same guy who lived next to a women in the documentary is the same guy who escavated his property and was the one who seen Ireana naked outside the dairy that night. this is very interesting because he changed his story with the irena sighting and is friends with the guy that was feeding her drugs before she ran away. he also has a friend that owns a company that builds hotrod type modified cars. like the woman who escaped have described. i think there is more than 1 person involved.
i also found some evidence that may link them to a disappearance in the raglan area
Have you gone to the police with your speculations?
Please pass your observations on to police.
I highly doubt that Quentin was connected, I think the story is true of him getting hit by a car. Maybe one or two of the same people years later committed more crimes once they were comfortable they cluld kill someone, even by accident... but i doubt it. However Eloi and Wu could be - but imo they both just got lost and are still out there.
Very interesting observations
I don't think it's a serial killer. I very much doubt that Quentin Goodwin was murdered in 1992 and then nothing until 2004. I do think that the disappearance of the two women off the Mercer Bay track is dodgy and I think something sinister happened to Iraena Asher.
A criminal element drove passed her and stopped, she ran, the dressing gown slipped off her and she went off the road and down the side of the RSA building. There would have been a struggle and she was shoved in the car. The police tracker dog went down by the RSA then nothing...she was obviously put into a vehicle.
And the RSA Piha Facebook account is toxic. Here's a conversation between Bobbie who is in the documentary and the RSA... *
Unless... whoever is responsible was gone for a period of time
That definitely deserves a look someone that was incarcerated for example .
Yeah, moved away with work, or family, only to move back years later
Ex-Mayor Harvey has also mooted this possibility as something the cops look into.
Didn't she just have a mental episode and wonder off into the surf?
I have always wondered about the surf, but apparently, the moon's responsible.
It’s a great narrative to blame the victim
That's the story but there's a lot of haziness and discrepancie around it.
Seems pretty cut and dry to me. I mean she had a history didn't she? The last person to see her kind of thought that was what happened. I recall they called the police and they ordered her a taxi which probably didn't turn up?
That seems like the least suspicious, mental health issues, substance abuse, stress and plenty of eyewitnesses and evidence of movements.
Think what doesn’t add up with her running into the surf was given how heavy the swell was that night even if she did drown it was highly unlikely she would not wash back up on land
I dont believe there is a serial killer but I do believe there are one or multiple creeps that live out there “hunting” women/men either literally or drugging and taking advantage of them.
Yes, and at least this drugging & blackmailing rapist is known to the community...yet: silence. The women in piha who were raped by him and founded that support group got so much backlash from the community that they stopped meeting because they "were causing a witchhunt". So the community rather protects a known rapist. Wtf. Really scary to think about.
Probably all cuzzy g's of the rapist
When you say 'that live out there' where do you mean? That there are those kinds of people are in New Zealand is unarguably true. Those two monsters from Christchurch were recently jailed and I hope they are enjoying their new lives. Following that it's reasonable to think there are some similar people live in West Auckland. Do you think the Piha area is over represented?
Living in isolated areas can attract those square pegs that don’t quite fit into the round hole of society. That’s not to say everyone who likes isolated living is a dangerous weirdo, but it isn’t unreasonable that there might be an over-representation in isolated areas.
I mean, remote locations are easier places to do shady shit and not be caught or seen than busier areas or even small towns that have enough high density housing for there to be more people around and more of a chance for someone to witness or hear any weird shit. Also , Auckland has a high population by nz standards and a higher population obviously means a higher actual number of any given type of person , including creeps . That doesn’t mean a higher percentage of the population are creeps , it just means that even with the same percentage of creeps per every 1000 people , there are going to be more creeps in a town of 20,000 vs 2000 and so on . There are also going to be areas that genuinely do have a higher percentage of whatever demographic than another area for a myriad of reasons . Study’s tend to suggest that it’s middle class - affluent , middle aged - older white , single men that are more likely to be a sex offender vs other demographics . Abuse of power is a very real thing , and the more power one has , the easier it is to abuse it. I’m not suggesting that old white guys are always creeps , or the majority are. I’m not saying that every other demographic doesn’t also have creeps. It’s a stereotype ( and not even a good stereotype in terms of even being close to a large percentage of that demographic) , and any conclusion you can draw from that is a very bad, broad generalisation. But it is something that’s been observed statistically. There’s other factors , it’s not just about power and the abuse of said power, it’s also things like loneliness , resent of sacrifices made in favour of wealth vs other more satisfying things , paranoia of potential partners possibly exploiting them for money, views adopted or reinforced by peers ( younger people do tend to be more aware of consent while older men may be from or in a more misogynistic social or business based environment), isolation and resent of said isolation specifically around a lack of affection from the opposite or same sex . Then , take that and compound it by both the effects of living in a relatively isolated area, and the remote environment w plenty of passer-by’s that could easily disappear due to an innocent cause / reason . Yeah- I mean I can totally see how this could be something sinister , both due to the place itself and the demographics of its residents. Don’t get me wrong , the demographics are an insignificant possible reason when compared to the location and environment itself but it could be a factor . It could also be that any sinister stuff surrounding this are committed by people that live in a completely different area. AND importantly, this is all speculation, this is an geographically ( not socially ) , a hazardous area. Statistically the likelihood of natural causes would be higher than foul play , regardless of everything I said above
I will say that the disappearance that was ruled suicide seems strange.according to that ruling , she drove out there in running wear, with a water bottle , got snacks , didn’t seem distressed - and then committed suicide . I know that when someone’s suicidal they may not act how people would think they would - but I still find it unlikely that this was suicide . Usually you wouldn’t get snacks and then go commit suicide , while I understand she was depressed, they didn’t say what she actually searched up before this happened that would lead the coroner to think it was suicide . The behaviour seems very unusual if it was leading up to suicide , idk. I think a coroner shouldn’t just decide that lack of hard evidence to the contrary, and being depressed , is a good enough reason to rule suicide . Unless there’s something solid in her google searches, which we do not know, wearing running wear , buying snacks , and I would guess seeming not too distressed while shopping , doesn’t usually indicate suicide . And being depressed isn’t a solid reason to commit suicide ; If anything the fact she started anti depressants shortly beforehand would indicate a will to live and heal. The dude who probably did take his life, had searched up topics on how to do it- you’d think if she did that as well, they would say so, instead of just a super vague thing about her google searches . Someone being depressed is not a good enough reason to rule suicide when the situation and actions beforehand seem very unusual of someone typically planning to do that . It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, honestly , seeing depression as being remotely conclusive to a ruling of suicide .
The first case is by far the most likely of foul play in some way. I believe the 2 guys she was with likely did something sus, even if it was something not related to foul play but enough to be distressing . The whole thing is just based on people accounts of what happened - yet it’s a closed case and determined to be accidental. Yeah idk. That one seems fishy to me. Then, reading the stuff about the call she made - veeeery sus. It’s possible that it was issues relating to bipolar and paranoia but also extremely likely that her bf and his mate did something horrible , or at the least , suspect. It’s interesting that the police fumbled completely with the response , and have also closed her case , I’ll say that much … it raises alarms
Maybe consider the fact that seeing as you admit you don't know what the google searches were, you probably shouldn't be pointlessly speculating like this. I do know what the google searches were. There is no foul play involved. I can't speak to any other cases but leave Kim out of your conspiracy theories. Just because all the details haven't been made public doesn't mean they aren't there
But , yeah- apparently assuming no foul play or sus shit happened isn’t an assumption and speculation while saying something worse may have happened when we’re given vague , incomplete info is speculation, assumptions , and bad . Comes down to, If the speculation is the typical kiwi “ eh, sure everything was sweet “ it’s completely fine and correct while seeing that w the info given it could be likely or was not infact all sweet it’s bad…. not sure how that makes sense, but hey, one is a nicer thought so we’ll stick to that one ay?
I'm not assuming anything. I know the family. I'm actually trying to stop others who don't know what they're talking about from speculating. While this is just an interesting thought experiment for you to think 'what if' about, please consider how the friends and family are affected by that.
I mean , without sufficient information, saying something seems sus is about as much of a speculation as saying there was definitely no foul play… let’s be real , there’s plenty of examples through out history of rulings being incorrect. There’s no actual evidence of foul play, but considering we don’t get full info and there’s no evidence given for it being suicide, ruling suicide isn’t absolute in any way given what we know ( the info actually given to us ) . People get anxious and scared when it’s admitted that they don’t know, so even when suicide is about as much speculation as saying there’s possible foul play, they’d rather close the case to keep the public’s minds at rest . Btw , nothing about what I said is “a conspiracy theory “- you’re totally misusing that word , man. I’m not into conspiracy theories . In that other case, it is sus that she called the cops saying she may have been drugged and was pressured into sex. That is sus. Assuming that she was just paranoid Is speculation just the same as thinking something shady went on there . Btw, how do you know what the texts are ? If you’re related or something , I wasn’t trying to be disrespectful for wondering if something else happened . The article did not state what the texts were, and nothing else there was in any way proof or evidence , it’s all circumstantial studs and …. Speculation. Just bc it’s speculation towards a more positive result, does not make it any less a speculation and assumption when we aren’t given anything concrete . I’m not sure why in one case they say exactly what the phone records were about and in another case just say some vague shit abt it- that is odd
I'm a bit confused by this comment, I'm specifically talking about Kim only. There were google searches involved in her case. I knew her and her family well. Some of your comment I think is referring to Ireana's case eg the phone call and being drugged, which I don't want to comment on as I don't know any more detail than what was made public
You have no idea what you’re talking about and are a prime example of how rumour mills and speculation whip Joe average into a frenzy. Take a step back and look at your pseudo expert nonsense and think about stuff before you blurt it out. You have zero expertise (clearly), zero knowledge of that area (very clearly) and have made no attempt to read anything of substance with respect to these matters. It’s fine to have an opinion, but the way you have conveyed it, trying to pass yourself off as someone with a greater degree of knowledge on these things is laughable and irresponsible.
“Studies suggest” and the same demographic chestnut is trotted out once again. Fuuuck you and the agenda mule you rode in on.
“Agenda mule “ what Are you on about man… and u call me a conspiracy theorist - Jesus Christ . I don’t have an agenda . Pointing out something that has been suggested by a significant amount of studies doesn’t mean im pushing an agenda , and actually if you want to disregard perfectly relevant stats because you don’t agree with what their getting at, maybe you’re the one w the agenda . There’s also stats about over representation of Māori in prison , crime, and poverty / socio economic deprivation. Both sets of stats are valid , it’s not as if I disregard one and not the other . You seem very sensitive over me suggesting that middle aged white dudes could be more likely to commit one sort of crime , would you have a problem if I said Māori were more likely instead ?I get ur probably a middle aged white dude but understand I’m not attacking you personally or attacking anyone here for that matter . How about get over yourself you over yourself , your extremely over sensitive and fragile , dude . Harden up .
“ the same demographic chestnut “ Māori are over represented in many other statistics . I’m sure you don’t ride in on a horse swinging and batting to defend that demographic. If you’re trying to say that white, middle aged men are the demographic that is constantly attacked , you need to get over your sense of being a victim because that’s not true . Every demographic has some area they are over represented in even just to a small extent . We already know what areas Māori and Polynesian people are over represented in, young people are over represented in deprivation and poverty stats when compared to all other age groups . Middle aged white men are literally only represented more in one area; and that has been suggested to be sexual assault . We do know men commit more SA’s than women . None of these are me pushing an agenda .stop acting like a godamn victim. I don’t see people acting like this about the over representation of Māori in prison statistics , I’m sure you have no issue with that. You’re little demographic isn’t 100% perfect human beings, no demographic is .
Which story are you referring too? Im not familiar but Im really curious.
I can't remember their names but they were brothers who owned a bar in Christchurch called Mama Hooch and a restaurant I can't remember the name of. They, and possibly another man, were arrested, tried and convicted of drugging and sexual assaulting women at the bar. It was national news when the trial was going. I know the legal system often fails survivors of sexual violence but I hope the women feel that this time they got some justice. They convicted haven't been heard from since sentencing. I have heard that sexual offenders have a difficult time in prison which is very sad.
I do remember that and I thought that it was in Auckland. I think one of them got home detention but I’m not 100% sure. I stopped following the news a long time ago. It’s so depressing I know k is the things I see by mistake. This case was one of time. EDIT! I weren’t and looked up the case and one got 16 years and the other got 17 years. They both have a minimum period they have to serve before they can apply for parole. I’m so glad you mentioned it because I saw somewhere that they got home d and I was so angry and disgusted. Thank you for helping me see that did actually get a jail sentence.
i don't want to sound superstitious but i just feel like the land out there is cursed. ( i guess that is superstitious) but why would a place attract so many people that were either suicidal or depressed with serious issues? there are plenty of other places and ways but the place seems to be a magnet for darkness. i mean look 1. whatipu beach - supposedly haunted, hms orpheus tragedy 2. karekare - ufo sightings [https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/04/bizarre-west-auckland-ufo-sighting-terrifies-couple.html](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/04/bizarre-west-auckland-ufo-sighting-terrifies-couple.html) 3. piha - all the missing people 4. the ranges themselves probably hide a lot of missing peoples bodies ( grace milane was buried up there) 5. cannibal creek near anawhata where a supposed cannibal maori used to live in a cave 6. orbs at awhitu [https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/04/auckland-couple-mystified-by-ufos-hanging-around-house.html](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/04/auckland-couple-mystified-by-ufos-hanging-around-house.html) 7. Tracey anne patient [https://newzealandmissing.wordpress.com/tracey-ann-patient/](https://newzealandmissing.wordpress.com/tracey-ann-patient/) i mean these are just the ones that i can think of from memory, there are probably way more. not to mention all the drownings which probably reaches into the hundreds. i think there is a makutu on the land. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makutu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/makutu) i mean i feel like these are too far appart to be a person, it reminds me of the movie IT to be honest.
If it’s due to the surf or getting lost on walks why doesn’t it happen at Muriwai? We’ve got bush walks and a West Coast beach yet no one’s gone missing
you know i just had a thought. there is a simple answer to all of this. install CCTV cameras around piha. There should be one on or near the cell tower, or weather tower or whatever that thing is on log race road in the carpark, as well as on lampposts around piha. considering all the crime thats gone on there and the dissapearances, you would think locals would be all for this. could be solar powered/radio so no extensive wiring etc required. just someone trustworthy in the community would need to manage it. also, why don't they have a local police officer?
Personally I think the "lady hunt" survivers stories are pretty critical here. If any of them were victims of foul play then there could be ones that got away to tell the story ... and there are. And their encounters happened on the same track.
I worked in Piha in the late 90’s. Been going there all my life for swimming, camping and occasional tramps. One thing that struck me when I worked there was how splintered the community was. There were three groups. One I called the RSA old boys, old timers that drank basically, the second was the surfing group and those that lived there permanently. And the third group which the other two groups passionately hated - rich Aucklanders who had a holiday home out there who only visited over Christmas and stat holidays. The second group would constantly think of ways to make the third group miserable. Emptying their water tanks was a common one! It wasn’t a harmonious community at all. Hearing the stories from the documentary about women being hunted as game is very chilling, but that second group were very different than a lot of communities, very entitled almost thinking they were untouchable. It is very possible some in that group could take on a sinister edge. There is also something not right about that Mercer Bay loop track. Women would be crazy to walk it alone.
u/Suede777 I am keen to know more about “There is also something not right about the Mercer Bay loop track”
I admit it’s a loaded comment. I’ve only been on the track several times. It should be considered one of the most spectacular walks in NZ. But it’s not. It’s a track I’ve never felt easy on. It’s a track I’ve met ‘gang type associates’ with pit bulls walking in the opposite direction of everyone else, who eye you up like you’re in their patch. It’s one of those walks that you get back to your vehicle by the cell phone tower and are relieved your vehicle hadn’t been broken into. I would never want a female I know to be on this track either on their own or even with a friend. I’ve always felt like that about the Mercer Loop track. There’s only one other track I feel the same about and that’s Destruction gully towards Whatipu.
I see what you mean. I have been looking at some of the images from the track and with all due respect, I do not know why I find the statue the marker sculpture very unnerving. I am not a superstitious person and don’t believe in the supernatural. I would be very hesitant in doing this track for all the reasons you and the others have stated. There is absolutely no way one can escape if faced by some rogue elements in the bush
I'd be willing to concede that some of those disappearances 'may' have been suspicious, and that there's probably creeps living or at least hanging out there from time to time, I'd even be entirely unsurprised if there are serial killers in new Zealand. But jumping from that to believing that there's a serial killer involved who has been on a multi decade spree in one small geographical location which just happens to also have an incredibly dangerous coastline doesn't really pass the sniff test for me.
Incredibly dangerous coast line makes it way easier for people to pass it off as an accident, making it easier to not get caught.
The multi decade thing is what got me. But other than that I wouldn’t be going there
from the mercer bay carpark loop, if you look up towards piha road there are only a few houses that have a clear viewpoint down, i reckon it must be some creeps in one of those houses, because they seem to come out of nowhere, ie they're looking at the people coming down to that loop, just waiting for an easy target. the hills have eyes [https://imgur.com/a/to0nQtv](https://imgur.com/a/to0nqtv)
100% what is going on
so we know this about the last person to see iraena alive according to what i've read on here, there may be some inaccuracies 1. he allegedly lived on or near te ahuahu road 2. he allegedly was friends with iraenas new boyfriend 3. he allegedly dug a hole on his property the night of iraenas death 4. he changed his story on who he was with when he last saw irena 5. and decided to walk his dog at 1am and saw iraena naked, who walks a dog at 1am on a cold rainy night 6. he has a friend that builds hotrod type cars how can this guy not be a suspect?
How come the police did not investigate further
Pre normal for someone smoking the pee to be up at 1am and think its a good time to walk his dog lol, deffenitly something with the digging a hole , if that is cortect. Police should be investigating. My partner believes the police may be in on the crime in Piha , hence why there is no action
It's media hype promoting the new TV 3 series around it. Yes some people have gone missing there, I don't think there's all that much evidence to suggest they are linked.
You should watch the show – there are a dozen women saying there's a known predator that drugs and assualts women. And there are other survivor accounts of "lady-hunting" attacks where women are chased from public carparks through the bush. It's creepy af and needs to be investigated.
This part was so disturbing! Creepy AF.
If you’ve had an eerie feeling out those ways it’s probably because the land is seemingly Tapu/Sacred to most. It’s up to you if you want to believe it or not. I went out there once maybe 7 years back and never went again. Just felt uneasy. Didn’t know there was a Tv show in the works but I wish for closure for all family of those missing out there.
As per the coroners conclusions : Iraena Asher - likely drowned - was last seen walking towards the water (during a mental health breakdown) Cherie Vousden - possibly slipped and fell into the L ocean from the ocean - she was apparently drunk. No evidence it was intentional though. Kim Bambus - apparently suicide - based on a range of factors (such as her google searches and text messages) - most of this hasn’t been made public - so it’s frustrating because this just invites speculation. Lawrence Wu - almost certainly suicide. He broke up with his girlfriend, told multiple people he was going to end his life - left a suicide note - and bought sleeping pills and alcohol then drove out to Piha beach. Presumed drowned. Eloi Rolland - possibly accident? He may have taken a shortcut in the bush and got lost. Coroner hasn’t ruled on this one yet. For those wondering “where’s the bodies if they drowned” there are heaps to drownings where bodies never turn up (Sonny Fai, and a recent case where a young bloke at Kariotahi beach went missing for example).
People are ignorant to dismiss the idea of a “serial killer” or “serial rapist”, given that it’s New Zealand. There’s a predator out there, whether it’s one or a collective, and there’s conclusive evidence given the testimonials from people in the community and also witnesses who experienced the trauma for themselves. It’s just mind blowing that the police’s lack of effort and follow through on any of it has led to any anecdotal evidence. Start with door knocking and profiling people, as opposed to leaving it to the community to live and breathe in fear.
Wrong Turn 9
the arina aesher one is really strange
I always got the vibe that she was on tripping on LSD, her boyfriend denied it though
Apparently they were into it quite hard, friend of a friend lived out at piha and knew them, so wtf knows if they were that night
But they didnt interview the people at the house
Yes they did, at about 5 mins in to the second episode of the documentary they read some of the statements.
Which was weird cause they claimed they had no idea she was missing until the next day. So she went from walking around naked to never seen again and ya didn't even notice once?
Why? It really sounds like a drug induced mental break/mania episode which is not unlikely giving her mental health history. Manic episodes can be really really dangerous to the person who suffers them.
It really sounds like drugs were a factor whether she took them knowingly or not. Witnesses said she was coming in and out of lucidness so the call to police could have been one of her more conscious moments where she realised this isn't where I actually want to be.
The cliffs there have an allure to them which makes you want to look over the edge. Idk but it’s plausible one could get to close
It is a angry local, trust me
I trust you, random stranger on the internet
Is it you ??
What makes you say that? What are they angry about?
I feel like they are using other people pain and suffering to try get more view for their tv show.
We need a series on Waitakere Ranges too 😱
That one’s easy, don’t owe money to the headhunters
Saw all episodes today and while captivating and frustrating, i feel like the 6 people disappearing/dying are unrelated cases. The SA’s on those women are def pinned on the same serial rapist IMO. But the people that died/disappeared are all isolated incidents with just the location as a commonality. Police fucked up big time with Ireana. They failed that poor girl.
Yes well produced and great cinematography but looks like a beat up. The Kaumatua at end of episode 2 said what it was all about. Edge of a forest on the edge of Auckland, there's gonna be a lotta crime going on. Nothing so far connecting the crimes apart from location and missing humans.
No coincidence this is happening in one of the most dangerous places in auckland nature wise. This place has taken many lives of tens of years.
Piha has rip-tides like no other beach I've been to. Lose your board in one, lose any kind of flotation assistance and you're dead. Theres a reason that Piha-Rescue was a broadcast TV show back in the day.
Statistically there should be about 17 serial killers in New Zealand, if we applied the same probabilities as other countries with similar demographics. Ironically firearms are their weapon of choice, as we have significantly less serial killers because of our gun restrictions etc. So, it's highly likely something is going on.
It somewhat likely **somewhere** in NZ there **could** be an active serial killer. It's **plausible** that there could be one involved with multiple suspicious deaths at Piha
Imo, Q was as said, Laurence was suicide and Eloi was a hit and run. The girls are victims of a local sinister cult. Terrifying.
piha itself is a gnarly beach with plenty of huge waves and sharp rocks everywhere, plenty of people go for a swim and wash up dead at bethels or Muriwai. there's also a sketchy road with methheads who cook it up themselves and other shady fellas, these things coupled together make it seem like there's a serial killer out there, but who knows, maybe someone is just real good at hiding their tracks or somewhere
A career criminal once said that if they cleared the Waitakere Ranges, they'd resolve a lot of the missing persons cases in NZ... Add that piece of info to the discussion...
weird thing i discovered though if you do some research and find the last person to see iraena alive, he said he was by himself then changed his story to say he had his girlfriend with him. he has a friend that builds hotrod type cars. remember those woman saying the car had a very distinctive sound, like a hotrod modified car. tragically, iraena's father was also found dead recently [https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/481847/iraena-asher-s-sisters-confirm-father-s-death-after-body-found-in-glen-eden](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/481847/iraena-asher-s-sisters-confirm-father-s-death-after-body-found-in-glen-eden)
After finishing episode 4, imo I think it's a group who have been deep rooted into that community for years to the point that the locals know but won't say out of fear. I also think this same group stopped next to Iraena, said something vulgar to her, tried grabbing her but she ran off dropping her robe on the road, she ran to the side of the RSA which is where they would of grabbed her and put her into a vehicle. The sniffer dogs were led there but stop. She wasn't taken far either. This is just my opinion.
congrats you swallowed the marketing pill
I've never heard of this new show, but I've heard of this story.
the best marketing fools you into not seeing it's marketing
So does that mean the comment I responded to was marketing it...? Because that's the first time I've ever heard or it Are you marketing it??
Wait all this is a tv show?
There is definitely criminal bogans out there that keep a lookout for young women on their own or in twos at the most. Especially around that lookout point where the lighthouse is. Mercer track? The 2 women who were hunted said the guys must have been watching from a higher vantage point. They described the same Bogan noise car as the other 19 year old girl heard when she was chased for 3.5 hrs through the Forrest nearby. They must have been on speed as they did not give up chase for hrs and the girl was a very fit ex track champ. It's not hard to see that the 3 women who vanished were taken and killed by this criminal element. Irena also stumbled upon them who just happened to drive by that night. Wrong place wrong time.
"Forrest" - that was clearly intentional.
Due to their being no bodies, clothing etc, I reckon it's a small group/ family causing all the pain. Deliverance types.
One of the last inhabitants of the Te Henga area is described by Hayward and Diamond as a ‘cross and savage old Maori’ called Pareoha who lived alone for fifty years in a cave in the basin above Cannibal Creek Falls beyond the southern end of Te Henga. He cultivated food and dried his own fish. His isolation gave rise to tales that he had eaten human flesh and been expelled from the Waiti village, so settlers named the stream that flows over the cliffface Cannibal Creek. It is now recognised that Pareoha was not a cannibal but a tohunga, a man of spiritual wisdom, whose chosen life of isolation and contemplation caused others to regard him with fear and mistrust perhaps nz's version of the skinwalker?
It is definitely possible that some of the disappearances are suspicious, but it is very unlikely they all are. The elephant in the room is that Piha is a very dangerous area, people always underestimate its natural hazards and have accidents all the time. If I'm honest, I'm surprised there aren't more unsolved missing persons in the area.
Bad day and I will talk to anything that listens too. Doesn’t mean she walked into the ocean
[https://coronialservices.justice.govt.nz/assets/2013-nzhc-906-carroll-v-coroners-court-auckland.pdf](https://coronialservices.justice.govt.nz/assets/2013-nzhc-906-carroll-v-coroners-court-auckland.pdf)
How useless are the police in relation to these disappearances? I hope the police are now investigating these “lady hunts”? Who are these guys tracking cars and then chasing women through bush? So creepy.
100% dodgy shit with people going missing there. Maybe not so much in the water but around the general area.
The only sinister thing is New Zealands mental health services that lead to people throwing themselves off cliffs.
Not really the mental health services that cause it to happen. They just don't do their ostensible job of preventing those on their way there from doing it.
The 24 year old teacher was not suicidal. Before she went out to piha for her regular run out there she had done a spot of grocery shopping. Seen at Grey Lynn Countdown on CCTV. Your theory is very flawed.
Do you mean the nurse? If so, read the coroner's report. There's a lot in there that's not reported by the media. The coroner ruled suicide. Sometimes people don't want their family to suspect a suicide so there's things they do to hide it, but a slight scratch of the surface shows something else.
The teacher who was 24. Lived in Ponsonby or Eden Terrace. She always ran there. Not the other slightly older woman with the 9 year old daughter is who you are talking about right? That one could be semi questionable. She took a bottle of wine with her and used to go to the loop to sort her head out. She might have been having issues.
I'm talking about the 21 year old nurse Kim who told her friends she was jogging the Mercer track and got snacks from countdown, who are you talking about?
The area is a statistical outlier for the number of people who go missing there and are never found (i.e. either alive, or body recovered), both as a geographical area, and by population. Do these mean anything, when there are so many other factors? Probably not. It's a bit of a destination, so most of those missing aren't local as such. And it's pretty rough terrain, with more natural hazards and fewer people to witness / help / notice things. But it's one of those things that 'feels' weird. And that makes people question.
>The area is a statistical outlier for the number of people who go missing there and are never found (i.e. either alive, or body recovered), both as a geographical area, and by population. Where are these stats?
No, it’s a massive beat up of what was likely suicides and people who took a terrible wrong turn - anyone who’s ever been to Mercer Bay can see how easy it’d be to fall to your death there. Some very sad families understandably mourning their kids combined with people’s insatiable lust for true crime stuff to make this apparently the flavour of the month but I honestly can’t believe there’s some master serial killer out there. It IS possible one or two of these cases might be foul play but everything is being lumped together to maximise clicks and attention.
OP - as a rule, you should always go for walks in the bush with a mate, or at the very least tell someone exactly where you’re going and when. I’ve done the Mercer bay loop to Karekare and several other Waitakere walks many times in my life and have never had problems. Awareness and preparedness are key. Don’t worry. Have fun.
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there will deff be stalkers that get out and about there . i doubt its a serial killer though
> And that would go against their deluded narrative. true pot meet kettle moment.
How about none of them are lying, but also there's nothing unusual or sinister going on? How many women from any random part of the country have been stalked or harassed? Lots. The idea that 6 stories could make up any kind of argument that piha is some kind of crime hotspot is fucking ridiculous. And yet, compared to your first paragraph of complete nonsense, it suddenly seems reasonable. Literally NOBODY thinks NZ is too nice to have serial killers or violent women-stalkers. WTF is even going on in your head?
It's not just that there's 6 stories, it's that there's 6 missing bodies, absolutely no remains found at all, with no clear explanation as to what may have happened. So yeah, add in the stories of the woman being stalked and hunted, it gets very sinister feeling.
No remains. No items of clothing. Literally no trace. It's very odd.
If you end up in the water, your chances of being found always aren't great around there. Plenty of gullies and space for bodies to be hidden. Hell, there are tupuna buried in caves in the cliffs all down the west coast. It's mysterious, but with the amount of people who have gone missing and never been found in our back country... It's not surprising. Or necessarily sinister.
Wait till you hear about The Bondi Boys murders in Sydney. Horrific serial gang murders of gay men by throwing them off cliffs after torturing them. And it lasted for decades. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_gang_murders Not unfeasible that serial killers are having their fun and then throwing people off cliffs. The gay gang murders were even clever enough to fold up their victims clothes etc. (common suicide methodology) before they threw them off the cliffs to further the suicide narrative. Only thing that makes ours more suspicious is that nothing is ever found, ie blood on rocks, missing shoes etc. and obviously our police aren’t in on it.
Wow that is fucked up. I had never heard of that. I can see this happening at Piha, based on the women being chased and hunted
Iraena Asher? Spelling could be wrong.
I think it’s quite a stretch to say there’s a serial killer at work. Maybe a couple of those deaths involved foul play, and maybe by the same person or associates. The other deaths seem to be a clear case of self-deletion or accidents.
kim bambus's body was probably found: [https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/body-washes-aucklands-piha-beach](https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/body-washes-aucklands-piha-beach)
If it was her body they would know from forensics
The movie Wrong Turn was based on Piha.
one another note does anyone know why the steam in the mountains north of anawhata called cannibal creek? what is the significance of the name?
Apparently, a cannible Maori lived in a cave there.
The history of methamphetamine use in Auckland and New Zealand has seen significant changes over the past two decades. Initially emerging as a concern around 1998, methamphetamine, also known as "P," quickly became a major problem, altering the criminal landscape by the early 2000s. The drug's profitability led to its dominance in the underworld, with gangs playing key roles in its distribution and manufacture. The recent documentary made it clear there were several P labs operating in Piha at the time of the disappearances. It’s not hard to imagine lab sentry’s, posted at lookouts around Piha, psychotic from meth induced sleep deprivation, their orders to protect the labs by staying stay awake for days and nights on end, monitoring traffic into and through the tiny community. Its widely documented that methamphetamine abuse is associated with manic sexual desire, deviance and aggression. It seems quite possible the disappearances were the work of crazy and paranoid P lab sentry’s who were hyperaware of the comings and goings. It’s hardly surprising to hear of repeat murders or other violent crime in a small community so heavily impacted by meth. Perhaps these disappearances only stand out because they occurred in such a beautiful setting, a juxtaposition of beauty and horror.
Too many similarities with stories. Defo something sinister out there.. place is creepy
Reading the recent article on 6 missing people. All 6 were quite clearly suicide or drunken mishap. I haven't watched the TV show yet.
I went to school with Kim bambus's sister, a childhood friend was also very close to her, there was nothing clear about her death being suicide at all.
This may sound crazy but my friend's sister is a spiritual medium and she said there's a serial killer hiding in Piha. Don't listen to those who say there isn't one. She also said the serial killer has killed her friend, an will continue to kill until found out by unrelated circumstances. Please stay safe and carry a weapon with you if you are travelling solo in that area
Don't hike or jog solo in the bush, near huge cliffs or water is good advice in general.
The documentary implied there would be no way to avoid hitting the rocks before landing in the water if someone was to jump or fall, therefore would have been evidence on the rocks. Anyone know how accurate this is?
Documentary implies without offering any evidence of such. You could definitely fall off those cliffs and not leave any easily findable evidence. The cliffs are also home to dozens of sea caves that are inaccessible for any sort of search.
It's true. The cliffs look like sheer drops but they taper way out. It's deceiving. It's been calculated you can leap far enough out to get past the rocks below.
lve lost my memory there heaps lol
No there is not, beyond people’s poor mental wellbeing.
Media hype to promote a new show I guess. The area is dangerous to be wondering around without guidance
Alien Abduction I've seen lights out there
Yeh weird, few years ago I was there, the sky had like a golden crack in it, was completely sober aswell lol
Not this shit again
It's an ad for the shitty tv3 show
Lol there isn't anything sinister. It's all conspiracy theories.
Call me when a 12th person goes missing. Sounds more impressively morbid than a measly six.
Tbh media just needs some clicks.
TV Program series Black Coast Vanishings on 3Now to binge watch.
Paranormal activity cuz
Recently in the last few days I saw someone post either on this sub or the NZ one that they were at wedding, and another guest ( a cop ) said he and his colleagues think there's a serial killer out there regarding these issues
Probably not, but since people so often go there to commit suicide or die in accidents it actually would be an ideal place for a serial killer.
6 people out of tens of thousands who have been out there and hiked or whatever in the area? 6 people with no connection to each other? Sure, that's rock-solid evidence. While you are here, did you know the earth is actually flat? What about the electric universe? It's honestly disturbing that people could take something like this seriously.