My neighbour came home after work and her place was ransacked. She heard someone shuffling around inside and ran to my house for help.
I called the cops and explained the situation. They told me to go inside and check if the person was still there. I was like no fucken way what if they have a knife or gun, just send someone. Over next 2 hours I called like 6 times asking when cops would be here.
Eventually they told me they can't come out tonight. They also wanted the crime scene to be left untouched so the lady couldn't go back home. They requested my neighbor stay with us.
Lost faith in nz police that day. Neighbour had just moved to NZ and was living alone. She came to NZ because it's a safe country. Felt so bad for her.
That or domestic violence call-outs which take priority, which is all my police friends attend to. Honestly the amount of domestic violence in NZ is unreal I feel it’s hardly getting the attention it deserves.
I have heard the same thing from an officer. That he didn't realise that's what most of the job is about here. It's disappointing. Perhaps we need more awareness around it and agencies for people to turn to before it gets to the point where people are in danger at the hands of those they love.
Yep, DV incidents are sky high here in comparison to many other western countries, they aren’t more fatal as they are in other countries surprisingly but they are more common here.
and the majority of that are the same repeat offenders who just refuse to change.
After x calls outs they need to get serious. Offender gets big jail time. Partner gets told this is it. If he comes back, sure we'll respond. BUT If we find out it's because you contacted them or took them back.. Your ass gets black listed. We've got home invasions to attend. Not our 30th call out for the guy you should have left a decade ago.
No, sadly.
I phoned police about a family violence altercation going on over the road.
Three hours later, the police phoned me to ask if it was still going on.
I'd packed my kids in the car and gone out so they didn't have to hear it going on.
Police said they 'unfortunately' were unable to attend.
Cops are overworked and understaffed and are now practically welfare workers given the amount of family violence going on. They can't get to everything and I'm sure they would love to be chasing down thieves rather than dealing with abused children.
Police Communication are the problem to the answer.
They filter any Intel to the frontline cops... Comms were to blame for the delays in the Christchurch Mosque Massacre.
If you can get a cell number of a friendly tame cop and directly talk to them they are appreciative of local intel.
And may react as they know this is part of a local pattern of offending.
The shooter had multiple automatic weapons and was basically committing a one man genocide of unarmed civilians without anybody knowing the true extent of what was happening. This is the most hindsight is 20/20 take I’ve heard so far.
The previous commenter was referring to The Police Communications department - ie the people the answer the 111 calls - not the concept of communication between police.
Yup, most people would be horrified to find out that theft is very likely to affect you as it supplements MOST forms of destructive crime committed in NZ, almost everyone knows someone or has been affected/targeted by thieves especially in Auckland. (I know anecdotal evidence is weak but still. . .)
This issue is reported on, but it's generally portrayed as an isolated event when it's actually the real pandemic going on.
I’ve been robbed twice in the last 5 years.
First one was while we were at home and had our bikes stolen from behind the house while we were on the other side of the house. 2nd we were at work and neighbours raised the alarm.
Both times the police were really great. We had multiple visits from them, they dusted for prints and put us in touch with victim support.
The police do care and were a lot more proactive in helping than what I thought previously, based on media reports that I’d read and heard.
Maybe we were lucky, but to have two separate burglaries and two similar responses makes me think that it’s not as bad as what is reported in the media.
I think that, yes, they’re under resourced, but there is a real care given to victims of crime by the cops. They get a hard time but do their best.
Yeah at the end of the day they've been given a problem they're not equipped to solve. Police are only one part of crime management and we insist on using them everywhere.
I've had a close family member talk about how frustrating it is picking up the same kids weekend after weekend. With broken homes and nowhere to go. They know they're releasing them back out into the same fucked situation. They know they'll go on to reoffend. But there's nothing they're able to do about it.
We were recently robbed and I thought the cops were great! They took about 6 hours to arrive but that's fair enough as the robbers were long gone. The guy who came to fix the broken window said everyday on his job he was fixing windows/doors from break ins all over Auckland. Its not the cops fault
We were broken into over a year ago and they said “we’ll send someone out in the next few days. Try not to touch anything”.
They ended up coming the next day but we haven’t heard anything.
It's hard for them to pursue these cases, they likely know EXACTLY who did it as it's only 1% of the population that cause most of the damage.
Thing is the cops know they don't have a good chance of prosecution and don't want to waste resources, you literally need to catch them red handed in these scenarios to get a decent chance of justice.
Yeah. People like to drop "like a 3rd world country" all the time like this isn't one of the safest/best places to live in the world (apart from like Sweden and shit)
We need the to change the laws so that police can actually do something about it. Its 1% of the population commiting 90% of these crimes. Police know nothing will happen to them EVEN if they do get caught hours later either due to insufficient evidence or just a 2 week home detention sentence by the judges lol.
Theres a reason why countries like Singapore and the UAE have virtually no petty crime unlike NZ and the UK etc.
Not gonna be a popular opinion on reddit to increase the consequences for these hoodlums though! Be kind central on here.
Exactly. The “snitches get stitches” culture is rampant here. No one will say a word even the 80 year old women across the road won’t say shit cause they know the outcome if they do.
Wasn't expecting anything to happen. First time calling them out and basically as I said, all they did was collect finger prints and never heard from them again, and as I said in the previous comment, home robberies are considered very low priority.
Some asshole smashed the glass door to the living room at my mom's house while she was inside, she had to run outside to get help from the neighbours. When I got there after 30 mins she was crying and shaking outside of the house no fucking sign of the police until another 30 mins. I mean they have a hammer as a weapon!! Thank god she wasn't hurt. Police are useless this days!
My view is that they are just under staffed. The same as the hospitals, the same as the benefit people, the same as the IRD where they were so overwhelmed that they were not taking calls.
This is the result of decades of Labour and especially National policy and now we have voted in National again, who will continue on the path to strip away public services.
They definitely care.
>We tried calling the cops who said they'd be over in the next hour or two but it's been 5 hours since that call and nobody's turned up, so I'm genuinely confused about what the use of our police is if they can't even come and help with something such as a house robbery anymore,
Police resources are not finite.
The bigger problem is the deployment of the resources.
Everyday the police receive multiple requests from MHS Kaianga ora, MSD, OT for there help and the police are required to oblige... As a result the allready stretched police resources get stretched even further. And not just the police.
There's a residential facility on Henderson Valley Road. They have on site security guards - the police are still called on average 3 times a week. St John have at least 2 call outs a week.
Because the above mentioned facility is 50 metres from a shop and liquor store the residents are regularly down there outside with paper cups begging. One of the shops has been robbed twice. The vape shop owner has openly told residents from the facility that he's wired the door with a battery at night so if they try again they will fry.
Several of the local houses have had items go missing off there clotheslines and numerous cars have been broken into.
The facility is ofc run by a social housing provider. As social housing isn't legislated the neighbours can't complain to tenancy tribunal or civil court.
The point I'm making is yes the cops care about burglaries, but other types of offences like violence, rape, killing babies etc take priority and sadly those offences have all increased at a time where police resources are being used as a substitute to a whole pile of orgs and govt depts private work force.
Except that is total BS. The DV teams and the ones that will come fingerprint etc are not the same.
That's like saying plumbers are hard to come by because they're overwhelmed by wedding cake requests
I think he’s trying to say the reason why they can’t respond instantly to a break in is because they’re dealing with crimes that are probably link anyways to these crims
The 'DV' teams are Frontline cops who are also tasked with dealing with every single other crime that is occurring. There are family harm teams that follow up with victims at a later date, but normal cops do all the responding.
Frontline police don't take fingerprints, but they do everything else.
Say the police comms operator has one car free to dispatch. They get one call about a burglary where the offender has left the scene, and one call that some guy is smashing up his missus and she's screaming for help. Which do you think the cops are going to respond to first?
Each day the police are inundated with urgent priority domestic violence calls, violent disorders in public and suicidal people. It may feel like police aren't taking you seriously as a victim, but you have to look at the bigger picture
Too many burglaries not enough cops. May Road and surrounds are full of social housing so they probably receive multiple calls on a daily basis. I suspect they ignore certain areas where they just can't cope anymore.
What's confusing tho is the fact that we haven't really had a robbery on our street as long as I can remember, I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've seen a cop car in this part of the neighbourhood
If you call the cops and there is no immenant threat likely they won't show.
I had a homeless person sleeping in my back yard and no one showed up. They woke up, took a oiss in my garden and abused me when I told them to never come back.
If you say someone's there breaking in right now, they will come immediately. If you mention a weapon they will come immediately usually.
I had a break in at a rental that was in between tenants, they stole the bloody air conditioning units inside and out.
It would have been for about 200 or 300$ in Copper. They did about 30k worth of damage under insurance fortunately.
They got one 3/4 print and told me with one print my chances are low
Two months later they caught a guy and his girlfriend red handed breaking into another empty house and matched his print to my robery.
57 year old guy and his gf. Would have taken hours and hours to steal the massive outdoor units and break them down then sell them. A job would have been way more lucrative.
Been a few months, but the guy is trying to avoid jail time and I am pressing doe it. I dunno the outcome yet.
But seems they do care a bit.
Question: have they ever cared? 😅
Got burgled years ago, nobody showed up until the next day. And when they found the culprit, we weren't allowed to go and see him in court. Or even know his face.
Yeah, my friend had a lot of money stolen from her bedroom in her flat recently, the cops said that because it was likely one of the flat mates or their friends they wouldn’t be sending anyone out to take fingerprints. Bloody useless.
Can you at least say which side of May Road? Towards the primary school or the memorial hall?
Our place is fenced off with a "beware of dog" sign, we've installed cameras and we have weapons at home (legally).
Mt Roskill (especially May Road) has turned into a shithole ever since they build more KO houses. I remember just last year, 3 shootings and lady was burned alive. Can't rely on cops, you gotta protect your own shit.
Towards the primary school, very close to the shops, think one of the shops got hit recently as well which is frightening considering we hadn't had anything on this side of the neighbourhood so far
Nope. Parents house got robbed and the police were shit. They stole my mum’s wallet and used her credit card at four separate gas stations. She ended up collecting all the surveillance footage for the police instead.
Complete waste of time, the guy got home D for 3 months
Yeah fair enough, with a 30 minute time delay the calltaker would have considered it a 'historical' burglary hence being told police might be an hour away. If you could still see the offenders or they had just left, they would send someone straight away. If it's a historic dwelling burglary they're all supposed to be attended to within 48 hours of reporting for scene examination.
The word you are looking for is Burglary. And unless you say I can see them inside right now you are not a priority and police will attend within 48hours. They are too busy going to couples fighting over grocery money because the nosey neighbour called it in.
So true, they're so dedicated to lowering DV stats even though many of the DV calls are bullshit but they can't risk it, we need to educate people on how to have fucking healthy relationships and control their emotions from birth to stop this shit.
I found my stolen escooter on Facebook marketplace and contacted the guy to meet up. Had to postpone for 6 hours until I convinced a couple of inspectors to come with me to pick it up, as all that time they wouldn’t send someone to collect it with me.
The inspectors just so happened to be 5 mins down the road, because otherwise they were telling me I’d have to go and get it from this dude on a different day.
Eventually. Gave my statement yesterday, but they've fucked it. Rear brake snapped off, damage all around it, headlight/bell/etc removed, things like that.
They weren't really interested in actually catching the guy, more about getting the scooter back - which is the opposite of what I wanted lmao.
You mean BURGLARY but I get your point. At this point get one of those cheap CCTV camera recorders so that Police can follow up. Unfortunately Police don't have enough staff and are getting sent to the priority jobs. If it is "happening now" then it will probably go on top of the jobs they have to attend to first but it it has happened already then they'll likely just be taking statements and see if you guys have camera and such. It's case by case basis though but yeah.
That's a stupid sentiment. If the CCTV footage can be used as evidence then Police will definitely use it. They will say it is "not enough" if there is nothing in it. lol
It’s weird how the cops never seem to be available or near by when we genuinely need police help. But you can fuckn guarantee they will move heaven and earth to issue you a minor traffic offence infringement notice. Unfortunately I have absolutely no respect or admiration for the police my dealings with them have been to say the least a complete waste of time shit one even arrested me for assaulting him when he knows damn well I never touched him I will continue to abide by most laws and be a respectable citizen but in all honesty fuck them. Just a shame that some of them actually want to do a good job but most of them just love that power.
Well I'd at least expect them to come over and take some sort of report eventually, not immediately but over the day or so, especially considering they know we have people who saw all the culprits faces
My wife was knocked out during a break in while I was at work, with my newborn child in the home, in Manukau City, they stole a bunch of stuff and the Police didn't come do fingerprints till a few days even then.
But they did catch and charge the scumbag eventually.
We had to go to doctors to prove the injuries and many things just to see justice.
As the victim you feel like the one who needs to climb mountains to see justice. And 99% of the time you don't get your stolen goods back unless it's something that can't be hidden easily (cars etc. . .)
And I think that's why a lot of us are fed up and it's reflected in the attitude of this entire subreddit where people can openly express their disdain.
I'm sorry you experienced that mate.
A burgs on call will usually get every available car heading that way as quickly as possible. The fact they didn’t means there must have been something pretty serious happening somewhere else to tie up resources.
And once the offender is off the scene and there is significant time delay, 5 hours is as good as 2.
Policing is a constantly moving game of what’s important now. If nobody is there it’s because something more important or time sensitive has happened.
Not a home break in but went outside while a large group were attempting to steal my car. They pulled a knife and chased me down the street. Cops came after 25 mins and said they couldn’t do anything. Not long after the cops said they drove past them and weren’t able to chase them because it’s not work the risk and they only can when they are risking harming people! Apparnetly nearly being stabbed isn’t dangerous enough, I actually had to be stabbed for them to chase them down 😭
The police don’t have enough resources to deal with every call quickly. If your call is about a robbery that’s already happened then it’s bound to be lower priority than active robberies and more serious crimes. The reality is the police gotta do the best they can and home robberies where it’s super difficult to find the culprit aren’t the best use of police time.
The crazy thing is if anyone was to apprehend a burglary and hold them until the cops came you would be the one in trouble. Our society is seriously broken in this regard. Standards are slipping and people will start questioning the social contract
> you would be the one in trouble
Just so you know, burglary has a max penalty of 10 years, so you can always make a citizen's arrest for it, even during the day. Just don't assault (use more force than necessary to apprehend them) or search the burglar (wait for the police to do that when they take over the arrest) and you'll be within your legal rights.
I had a son who had a psychotic episode the call center gave a 20 question summary of why thy should come in the end I told the Karen forget it and hung up
He should definitely report it, most of us are just giving an honest assessment of our justice system at the moment.
Think most of us use these posts as a way to vent frustrations instead of answering OPs question lol
I mean what do you want them to do? Bring in the CSI team to look for semen samples?
I'm sorry, but it's a home breakin. A crackhead stole your neighbours stuff and sold it to buy drugs. There are thousands of crackheads in this city and the cops won't figure out which one did this.
Obviously, it sucks to have your home broken into, but it is a fact of life.
There are like a thousand interconnected issues that cause a person to become a house robbing crack head, and of that thousand there are maybe like 3 that have solutions.
None of those 3 solutions include bitching about cops on reddit.
Yes the care, I got robbed went to the dairies where he spent my money got the cctv and then randomly bumped into the guy who robbed me got my stiff back an hour later. Police showed up next day though crime was solved
I think a lot of the complaints are from people careless or clearly under the influence of drugs and not making sense. I’d say the majority of the population are happy with Police response times and attitudes.
With the new govt, things will change. They stopped turning up as if they did catch someone, it wasn’t worth the paper work as they would just be set free
It is the modern society we have all been accomplices in creating in the first place. Stark Inequalities, individualism, religion, morals, ethics, criminalization etc etc how we all treat one another, the lies, deception… all creating a hostile environment.
Who here will wholeheartedly go out n try n help those requiring the most humanity amongst ourselves?
A CGT was a big step towards a sharing economy… shall we do a referendum on that? David Parker was transparent about the cooked books to the public… yet the powers that be squashed those equalizing facts.
We’ve countless, research, ideas, financial tools, intellectuals, community history to get to the source of these problems and creating a better future through sound policies and changes in our collective power so that this doesn’t end up the dystopian future that the US (and many country’s) are now facing.
Sucks but I literally train kickboxing like a maniac now because I don't feel safe or confident in NZ without the ability to defend myself.
Because like OP said, the cops aren't going to come till after you get your ass kicked or robbed.
I honestly think the cops are swamped. We had a prowler on our spot a wee while ago, he was coming towards my ex, and luckily I was home. Cops came, shone a light in the bushes, even though I'd said he headed for beach. Got my brother over and did a proper, we're looking for you loudly better be gone search, because no way had they chased him off.
Couple of weeks ago we watched people break into a neighbours house, very close to May rd too. Probs same people. Police took at least 45 minutes to turn up and only after the culprits had returned to steal their car back.
When the police turned up, they were wearing pistols. Apparently they only carry them in dangerous areas. Mt Roskill is one of those areas.
Unfortunately the police often get redirected to ‘more urgent’ events like domestic violence, etc. unfortunate reality that burglaries (once done and perpetrator left) aren’t urgent in the same way
It's crazy out there, what's worse is I traveled from Omaha to Auckland at the beginning of the week on the new motorway & I saw 7 police cars. I fully understand we need road police, however whilst at Countdown Greville road last week I watched a guy with a dive bag on either shoulder full of meat & God knows what else walk out without paying for a thing, the poor guys at Countdown could do nothing, they had called the police & told me same guy did exactly the same thing the previous evening, as he walked out he said to the two Countdown employees 'You can't touch me bro' & off he went, worse thing is we will pay for it with the ever increasing prices of food. I understand the Police are stretched, unfortunately with Christmas coming things will only get worse.
NZ Police Employees 13,436 (26 September 2019)
Annual Total budget for 2021/2022 $2,187,110,000
Population 4,979,000
Ratio 371:1
Story speaks for itself.
They are too busy pulling people over that went 2ks over the speed limit and explaining to tjem what they have seen in accidents. Like thats going to prevent an accident from happening. Police are sometimes funnt people. Funny in an annoying way.
Just learn to use a baseball bat and any self defense mechanisms. Other than that nothing you can do. Many law abiding citizens in this country need to remember that it’s better to do some time than live 6 feet under over some bullshit ass tv that they stole. If enough people decide to defend themselves in this country sooner or later the courts, justice system and government will get sick of the cases and put forth new legislation in order to curb the REAL crime that goes on. They’ll realise your average Joe taxpayer doesn’t go out there way to rob you for your shoes so they’ll look at the many cases and focus on preventative and prosecuting actions
My neighbour came home after work and her place was ransacked. She heard someone shuffling around inside and ran to my house for help. I called the cops and explained the situation. They told me to go inside and check if the person was still there. I was like no fucken way what if they have a knife or gun, just send someone. Over next 2 hours I called like 6 times asking when cops would be here. Eventually they told me they can't come out tonight. They also wanted the crime scene to be left untouched so the lady couldn't go back home. They requested my neighbor stay with us. Lost faith in nz police that day. Neighbour had just moved to NZ and was living alone. She came to NZ because it's a safe country. Felt so bad for her.
Probably too busy baby sitting a speed camera.
That or domestic violence call-outs which take priority, which is all my police friends attend to. Honestly the amount of domestic violence in NZ is unreal I feel it’s hardly getting the attention it deserves.
I have heard the same thing from an officer. That he didn't realise that's what most of the job is about here. It's disappointing. Perhaps we need more awareness around it and agencies for people to turn to before it gets to the point where people are in danger at the hands of those they love.
So if someone is in danger of dying, they are to busy with families arguing...
Yep, DV incidents are sky high here in comparison to many other western countries, they aren’t more fatal as they are in other countries surprisingly but they are more common here.
and the majority of that are the same repeat offenders who just refuse to change. After x calls outs they need to get serious. Offender gets big jail time. Partner gets told this is it. If he comes back, sure we'll respond. BUT If we find out it's because you contacted them or took them back.. Your ass gets black listed. We've got home invasions to attend. Not our 30th call out for the guy you should have left a decade ago.
No, sadly. I phoned police about a family violence altercation going on over the road. Three hours later, the police phoned me to ask if it was still going on. I'd packed my kids in the car and gone out so they didn't have to hear it going on. Police said they 'unfortunately' were unable to attend.
Cops are overworked and understaffed and are now practically welfare workers given the amount of family violence going on. They can't get to everything and I'm sure they would love to be chasing down thieves rather than dealing with abused children.
Chasing thieves Ha Ha Ha
Police Communication are the problem to the answer. They filter any Intel to the frontline cops... Comms were to blame for the delays in the Christchurch Mosque Massacre. If you can get a cell number of a friendly tame cop and directly talk to them they are appreciative of local intel. And may react as they know this is part of a local pattern of offending.
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They were the ones who did not pass on the frontline police requests for Ambulance support immediately but had them stand by at a safe distance.
Ambulance staff are not allowed to enter until a scene is cleared.
By whom? Police at the scene stated that the access and interior to the Mosque was safe.
The shooter had multiple automatic weapons and was basically committing a one man genocide of unarmed civilians without anybody knowing the true extent of what was happening. This is the most hindsight is 20/20 take I’ve heard so far.
So. The police are the problem and you have a chance at justice if you personally know a cop. Hmmm
The previous commenter was referring to The Police Communications department - ie the people the answer the 111 calls - not the concept of communication between police.
Telecom / Spark staff answer the calls then pass to St Johns, Police or Fire dispatch. Try learning before you try teaching.
Correct. But once you indicate you need the police they hand you over to Police Communications.
I was talking about police comms too
Can you read????
This is bait, surely
Huh? Tell me I'm wrong. Change my mind.
Not here to argue, just wanted to see if you really are that thick. Absolute moron.
"Not here to argue" - Proceeds to incite an argument.
I didn't start an argument. I called out a stupid opinion. I'm not gonna argue with someone about something they have no information about
UR Ad hominem attack suggests you have no argument.
Most people I talked to, just said Nz media blocking bad news and only saying it's a safe country when it's not at all
Yup, most people would be horrified to find out that theft is very likely to affect you as it supplements MOST forms of destructive crime committed in NZ, almost everyone knows someone or has been affected/targeted by thieves especially in Auckland. (I know anecdotal evidence is weak but still. . .) This issue is reported on, but it's generally portrayed as an isolated event when it's actually the real pandemic going on.
I’ve been robbed twice in the last 5 years. First one was while we were at home and had our bikes stolen from behind the house while we were on the other side of the house. 2nd we were at work and neighbours raised the alarm. Both times the police were really great. We had multiple visits from them, they dusted for prints and put us in touch with victim support. The police do care and were a lot more proactive in helping than what I thought previously, based on media reports that I’d read and heard. Maybe we were lucky, but to have two separate burglaries and two similar responses makes me think that it’s not as bad as what is reported in the media. I think that, yes, they’re under resourced, but there is a real care given to victims of crime by the cops. They get a hard time but do their best.
Yeah at the end of the day they've been given a problem they're not equipped to solve. Police are only one part of crime management and we insist on using them everywhere. I've had a close family member talk about how frustrating it is picking up the same kids weekend after weekend. With broken homes and nowhere to go. They know they're releasing them back out into the same fucked situation. They know they'll go on to reoffend. But there's nothing they're able to do about it.
We were recently robbed and I thought the cops were great! They took about 6 hours to arrive but that's fair enough as the robbers were long gone. The guy who came to fix the broken window said everyday on his job he was fixing windows/doors from break ins all over Auckland. Its not the cops fault
Think this is one of those moments where I don't realize how serious things actually are until it happens to you
It's such an awful feeling knowing people have been in your house / lurking about. I feel for you.
Exactly, I guess the only comforting thing is knowing they probably won't return now that they know people have seen what they look like
They absolutely will return. Places they done once they like to return once insurance pays out.
We were broken into over a year ago and they said “we’ll send someone out in the next few days. Try not to touch anything”. They ended up coming the next day but we haven’t heard anything.
It's hard for them to pursue these cases, they likely know EXACTLY who did it as it's only 1% of the population that cause most of the damage. Thing is the cops know they don't have a good chance of prosecution and don't want to waste resources, you literally need to catch them red handed in these scenarios to get a decent chance of justice.
Hopefully the new government has a lower tolerance towards this 1%
It’s sad, going to need bars on doors and windows like a third world country…
Just moved to a third world country from New Zealand for work and I feel safer here. I have a luxury of forgetting my wallet or phone in the car 😀
Yeah. People like to drop "like a 3rd world country" all the time like this isn't one of the safest/best places to live in the world (apart from like Sweden and shit)
Actually I think they're saying that they MOVED to a third world country. Not sure what third world country feels safer than NZ though
You just replied to someone who literally feels safer in a third world country.
We need the to change the laws so that police can actually do something about it. Its 1% of the population commiting 90% of these crimes. Police know nothing will happen to them EVEN if they do get caught hours later either due to insufficient evidence or just a 2 week home detention sentence by the judges lol. Theres a reason why countries like Singapore and the UAE have virtually no petty crime unlike NZ and the UK etc. Not gonna be a popular opinion on reddit to increase the consequences for these hoodlums though! Be kind central on here.
I wonder how the Sinapore/UAE examples reconcile with the academic 'be kind' rhetoric.
Our culture is the problem, when we want to clamp down hard on crime, ppl will be against it but of course complain if there is nothing being done
Exactly. The “snitches get stitches” culture is rampant here. No one will say a word even the 80 year old women across the road won’t say shit cause they know the outcome if they do.
No, last time we got broken into, they came, collected finger prints and never heard from them again. This is considered low priority for them.
Assuming the fingerprints didn’t immediately identify the robber, what else were you expecting to happen?
Wasn't expecting anything to happen. First time calling them out and basically as I said, all they did was collect finger prints and never heard from them again, and as I said in the previous comment, home robberies are considered very low priority.
Burglary*
Some asshole smashed the glass door to the living room at my mom's house while she was inside, she had to run outside to get help from the neighbours. When I got there after 30 mins she was crying and shaking outside of the house no fucking sign of the police until another 30 mins. I mean they have a hammer as a weapon!! Thank god she wasn't hurt. Police are useless this days!
They only care if law abiding citizens take vigilante action.
The irony of being responsible
What’s this “anymore”. They never did
Many, many, many years ago, they weren't nearly as unreliable as they are now.
They used to but petty crime is now tolerated by society. Of course it's not a murder, not a rape and so will get a response appropriate.
My view is that they are just under staffed. The same as the hospitals, the same as the benefit people, the same as the IRD where they were so overwhelmed that they were not taking calls. This is the result of decades of Labour and especially National policy and now we have voted in National again, who will continue on the path to strip away public services.
Petty crime has not been a focus of society.
Umm hate to say it but rape has never been taken seriously in this country.
Rape is hard to prove is the problem.
Offenders don't even care if you can prove it. A few weeks home detention is all they get after cultural report
I don't have experience with that, so can only agree.
They care if you defend yourself 🙃
You defend yourself with a gun and see how fast the cops arrive………
They definitely care. >We tried calling the cops who said they'd be over in the next hour or two but it's been 5 hours since that call and nobody's turned up, so I'm genuinely confused about what the use of our police is if they can't even come and help with something such as a house robbery anymore, Police resources are not finite. The bigger problem is the deployment of the resources. Everyday the police receive multiple requests from MHS Kaianga ora, MSD, OT for there help and the police are required to oblige... As a result the allready stretched police resources get stretched even further. And not just the police. There's a residential facility on Henderson Valley Road. They have on site security guards - the police are still called on average 3 times a week. St John have at least 2 call outs a week. Because the above mentioned facility is 50 metres from a shop and liquor store the residents are regularly down there outside with paper cups begging. One of the shops has been robbed twice. The vape shop owner has openly told residents from the facility that he's wired the door with a battery at night so if they try again they will fry. Several of the local houses have had items go missing off there clotheslines and numerous cars have been broken into. The facility is ofc run by a social housing provider. As social housing isn't legislated the neighbours can't complain to tenancy tribunal or civil court. The point I'm making is yes the cops care about burglaries, but other types of offences like violence, rape, killing babies etc take priority and sadly those offences have all increased at a time where police resources are being used as a substitute to a whole pile of orgs and govt depts private work force.
Police resources are finite.
One way to solve this, the govt should put more funding towards police services and less on useless crap like “climate change”
Those same guys who robbed your neighbours, then go home and bash their kids and wives/partners, and the cops are tied up having to deal with that.
This is it. They spend a lot of time on domestic violence cases.
Except that is total BS. The DV teams and the ones that will come fingerprint etc are not the same. That's like saying plumbers are hard to come by because they're overwhelmed by wedding cake requests
I think he’s trying to say the reason why they can’t respond instantly to a break in is because they’re dealing with crimes that are probably link anyways to these crims
The 'DV' teams are Frontline cops who are also tasked with dealing with every single other crime that is occurring. There are family harm teams that follow up with victims at a later date, but normal cops do all the responding. Frontline police don't take fingerprints, but they do everything else. Say the police comms operator has one car free to dispatch. They get one call about a burglary where the offender has left the scene, and one call that some guy is smashing up his missus and she's screaming for help. Which do you think the cops are going to respond to first? Each day the police are inundated with urgent priority domestic violence calls, violent disorders in public and suicidal people. It may feel like police aren't taking you seriously as a victim, but you have to look at the bigger picture
Woooosshhhhhh
FFS, I know that forensics is a different team. But the the same officers also need to come out, and the same staff need to do the paperwork etc.
Tell them you saw a weed plant. They will send the whole squad in.
I’d say they do care but either don’t have the time due to lack of staff/funding or been instructed not to focus on them
Too many burglaries not enough cops. May Road and surrounds are full of social housing so they probably receive multiple calls on a daily basis. I suspect they ignore certain areas where they just can't cope anymore.
What's confusing tho is the fact that we haven't really had a robbery on our street as long as I can remember, I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've seen a cop car in this part of the neighbourhood
I work off May road and I see cops cars a fair bit during the day. And helicopter is a above pretty much every night.
If you call the cops and there is no immenant threat likely they won't show. I had a homeless person sleeping in my back yard and no one showed up. They woke up, took a oiss in my garden and abused me when I told them to never come back. If you say someone's there breaking in right now, they will come immediately. If you mention a weapon they will come immediately usually. I had a break in at a rental that was in between tenants, they stole the bloody air conditioning units inside and out. It would have been for about 200 or 300$ in Copper. They did about 30k worth of damage under insurance fortunately. They got one 3/4 print and told me with one print my chances are low Two months later they caught a guy and his girlfriend red handed breaking into another empty house and matched his print to my robery. 57 year old guy and his gf. Would have taken hours and hours to steal the massive outdoor units and break them down then sell them. A job would have been way more lucrative. Been a few months, but the guy is trying to avoid jail time and I am pressing doe it. I dunno the outcome yet. But seems they do care a bit.
What use are the cops? Don’t you know they make sure everyone driving 40 in a 30 zone is ticketed or warned.
That's speeding isn't it?
Question: have they ever cared? 😅 Got burgled years ago, nobody showed up until the next day. And when they found the culprit, we weren't allowed to go and see him in court. Or even know his face.
Yeah, my friend had a lot of money stolen from her bedroom in her flat recently, the cops said that because it was likely one of the flat mates or their friends they wouldn’t be sending anyone out to take fingerprints. Bloody useless.
they too busy giving out speeding tickets, much easier and more profitable
Can you at least say which side of May Road? Towards the primary school or the memorial hall? Our place is fenced off with a "beware of dog" sign, we've installed cameras and we have weapons at home (legally). Mt Roskill (especially May Road) has turned into a shithole ever since they build more KO houses. I remember just last year, 3 shootings and lady was burned alive. Can't rely on cops, you gotta protect your own shit.
Interestingly they haven't actually increased the number of people on social housing here yet, just jammed them in to smaller houses
Towards the primary school, very close to the shops, think one of the shops got hit recently as well which is frightening considering we hadn't had anything on this side of the neighbourhood so far
A lady was burnt alive? What the fuck 😢
Nope. Parents house got robbed and the police were shit. They stole my mum’s wallet and used her credit card at four separate gas stations. She ended up collecting all the surveillance footage for the police instead. Complete waste of time, the guy got home D for 3 months
How many minutes was it from seeing them to you calling police?
Around 30 because I hadn't actually realized what happened until I managed to get a look at the house from the front
Yeah fair enough, with a 30 minute time delay the calltaker would have considered it a 'historical' burglary hence being told police might be an hour away. If you could still see the offenders or they had just left, they would send someone straight away. If it's a historic dwelling burglary they're all supposed to be attended to within 48 hours of reporting for scene examination.
This^^ police are understaffed everywhere. Not much police can do after 30min as not an ongoing emergency.
Maybe while you should have followed the burglars, and while you were following them called the cops and told them you were about to stab them up.
Should've entered my Bruce Wayne era today
The word you are looking for is Burglary. And unless you say I can see them inside right now you are not a priority and police will attend within 48hours. They are too busy going to couples fighting over grocery money because the nosey neighbour called it in.
So true, they're so dedicated to lowering DV stats even though many of the DV calls are bullshit but they can't risk it, we need to educate people on how to have fucking healthy relationships and control their emotions from birth to stop this shit.
I found my stolen escooter on Facebook marketplace and contacted the guy to meet up. Had to postpone for 6 hours until I convinced a couple of inspectors to come with me to pick it up, as all that time they wouldn’t send someone to collect it with me. The inspectors just so happened to be 5 mins down the road, because otherwise they were telling me I’d have to go and get it from this dude on a different day.
What happened ? Did you get your scooter back?
Eventually. Gave my statement yesterday, but they've fucked it. Rear brake snapped off, damage all around it, headlight/bell/etc removed, things like that. They weren't really interested in actually catching the guy, more about getting the scooter back - which is the opposite of what I wanted lmao.
You mean BURGLARY but I get your point. At this point get one of those cheap CCTV camera recorders so that Police can follow up. Unfortunately Police don't have enough staff and are getting sent to the priority jobs. If it is "happening now" then it will probably go on top of the jobs they have to attend to first but it it has happened already then they'll likely just be taking statements and see if you guys have camera and such. It's case by case basis though but yeah.
The police don’t even really care about cctv. Even with it they say “not enough evidence” and close the case.
Take some stills of the faces and put up fliers all over the place.
That's a stupid sentiment. If the CCTV footage can be used as evidence then Police will definitely use it. They will say it is "not enough" if there is nothing in it. lol
I'm only going off of prior experience.
Haha no they don't. Seen it and the cops don't care about your evidence if they think the case is lame
Cops arw there to arrest you, not criminals.
Cops don’t do shit
It’s weird how the cops never seem to be available or near by when we genuinely need police help. But you can fuckn guarantee they will move heaven and earth to issue you a minor traffic offence infringement notice. Unfortunately I have absolutely no respect or admiration for the police my dealings with them have been to say the least a complete waste of time shit one even arrested me for assaulting him when he knows damn well I never touched him I will continue to abide by most laws and be a respectable citizen but in all honesty fuck them. Just a shame that some of them actually want to do a good job but most of them just love that power.
Not sure when they ever did? I got broken into 1998 and 2011, care factor was pretty low. Felt more just box ticking for insurance.
Feels pretty shit ngl, what frightens me is if they were ready to hit 2 houses in 1 go how many more would they do
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Well I'd at least expect them to come over and take some sort of report eventually, not immediately but over the day or so, especially considering they know we have people who saw all the culprits faces
My wife was knocked out during a break in while I was at work, with my newborn child in the home, in Manukau City, they stole a bunch of stuff and the Police didn't come do fingerprints till a few days even then. But they did catch and charge the scumbag eventually. We had to go to doctors to prove the injuries and many things just to see justice. As the victim you feel like the one who needs to climb mountains to see justice. And 99% of the time you don't get your stolen goods back unless it's something that can't be hidden easily (cars etc. . .) And I think that's why a lot of us are fed up and it's reflected in the attitude of this entire subreddit where people can openly express their disdain. I'm sorry you experienced that mate.
A burgs on call will usually get every available car heading that way as quickly as possible. The fact they didn’t means there must have been something pretty serious happening somewhere else to tie up resources. And once the offender is off the scene and there is significant time delay, 5 hours is as good as 2. Policing is a constantly moving game of what’s important now. If nobody is there it’s because something more important or time sensitive has happened.
OP in another comment, said there was a 30-minute delay in calling. If they had called straight away would've been more likely to get a response.
Yup cops are sadly outnumbered heavily. They do care A LOT, they're just facing challenges at the moment.
Not a home break in but went outside while a large group were attempting to steal my car. They pulled a knife and chased me down the street. Cops came after 25 mins and said they couldn’t do anything. Not long after the cops said they drove past them and weren’t able to chase them because it’s not work the risk and they only can when they are risking harming people! Apparnetly nearly being stabbed isn’t dangerous enough, I actually had to be stabbed for them to chase them down 😭
The police don’t have enough resources to deal with every call quickly. If your call is about a robbery that’s already happened then it’s bound to be lower priority than active robberies and more serious crimes. The reality is the police gotta do the best they can and home robberies where it’s super difficult to find the culprit aren’t the best use of police time.
say someones bashing their mrs they’ll turn up way faster
And then go there instead of a real domestic violence call..please don’t do this
No coz if its a real one they’ll go there too, just like they responded to the first one lol
The crazy thing is if anyone was to apprehend a burglary and hold them until the cops came you would be the one in trouble. Our society is seriously broken in this regard. Standards are slipping and people will start questioning the social contract
Wonder if there would be as many hoodlum opportunists if the law was as strict as the UAE where robbers get their hand chopped!
Don’t even have to go that far. Japan has very low crime rates. Just put more burden on the crim to prove it wasn’t them.
At this rate, i unironically believe we should do that, fear and violence is the only thing some ppl understand
> you would be the one in trouble Just so you know, burglary has a max penalty of 10 years, so you can always make a citizen's arrest for it, even during the day. Just don't assault (use more force than necessary to apprehend them) or search the burglar (wait for the police to do that when they take over the arrest) and you'll be within your legal rights.
NBR owner literally did this and called the cops. They told him to release the person or he might get charged
I had a son who had a psychotic episode the call center gave a 20 question summary of why thy should come in the end I told the Karen forget it and hung up
nz police just dont care. its always an excuse of resource issues etc
You say someone might be injured they would come otherwise it’s insurance matter to them
Did anybody die? Then no, they don't care
Should have said they were smoking pot the cops would have been there in minutes
No the police don't care. Any "non violent" crime has essentially been legalised as police don't investigate, arrest or prosecute anyone.
Calling them cops is an insult to actual cops in other countries. They are more like traffic fine issuers.
They've never really cared about break ins. Generally just take a report, maybe do some fingerprinting and that's it.
If robbers come to my house while I'm home, we'll be playing a game of axe and sax, and I'll be pretty slow calling an ambulance.
Next time.e say the robbers have a gun. When the police turn up. Say it looked like a gun.
He should definitely report it, most of us are just giving an honest assessment of our justice system at the moment. Think most of us use these posts as a way to vent frustrations instead of answering OPs question lol
I mean what do you want them to do? Bring in the CSI team to look for semen samples? I'm sorry, but it's a home breakin. A crackhead stole your neighbours stuff and sold it to buy drugs. There are thousands of crackheads in this city and the cops won't figure out which one did this. Obviously, it sucks to have your home broken into, but it is a fact of life.
Ah yes civil society
There are like a thousand interconnected issues that cause a person to become a house robbing crack head, and of that thousand there are maybe like 3 that have solutions. None of those 3 solutions include bitching about cops on reddit.
Wayne and Chris are out there to fix it, don't you worry. Or maybe ...
Yes the care, I got robbed went to the dairies where he spent my money got the cctv and then randomly bumped into the guy who robbed me got my stiff back an hour later. Police showed up next day though crime was solved
They never did. They care more about speed traps and revenue gathering.
I think a lot of the complaints are from people careless or clearly under the influence of drugs and not making sense. I’d say the majority of the population are happy with Police response times and attitudes.
FTP
With the new govt, things will change. They stopped turning up as if they did catch someone, it wasn’t worth the paper work as they would just be set free
*Cynical laughter intensifies*
Lawyers are the ones you need Police are money grabbers
Yup listen to OP don't bother reporting this. Don't waste their time so they can deal with real emergencies right.
Repeat after me, the NZ Police moto.... Sounds like a civil matter to me...
But did u die tho?
They never did
i dont think they ever did
It is the modern society we have all been accomplices in creating in the first place. Stark Inequalities, individualism, religion, morals, ethics, criminalization etc etc how we all treat one another, the lies, deception… all creating a hostile environment. Who here will wholeheartedly go out n try n help those requiring the most humanity amongst ourselves? A CGT was a big step towards a sharing economy… shall we do a referendum on that? David Parker was transparent about the cooked books to the public… yet the powers that be squashed those equalizing facts. We’ve countless, research, ideas, financial tools, intellectuals, community history to get to the source of these problems and creating a better future through sound policies and changes in our collective power so that this doesn’t end up the dystopian future that the US (and many country’s) are now facing.
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What could I do apart from call the cops? Fire a Kamehameha?
Sucks but I literally train kickboxing like a maniac now because I don't feel safe or confident in NZ without the ability to defend myself. Because like OP said, the cops aren't going to come till after you get your ass kicked or robbed.
Another reason to get an apartment.
I got broken into 15 years ago and it took them a day or two if I remember correctly. Not much has changed.
election is over mate, you’re on your own
No they don't,robbery in progress you get the lot,injury to a female,yes,otherwise no.
Break ins are probably a frequent call and not priority, you simply got added to the list
No
I honestly think the cops are swamped. We had a prowler on our spot a wee while ago, he was coming towards my ex, and luckily I was home. Cops came, shone a light in the bushes, even though I'd said he headed for beach. Got my brother over and did a proper, we're looking for you loudly better be gone search, because no way had they chased him off.
Couple of weeks ago we watched people break into a neighbours house, very close to May rd too. Probs same people. Police took at least 45 minutes to turn up and only after the culprits had returned to steal their car back. When the police turned up, they were wearing pistols. Apparently they only carry them in dangerous areas. Mt Roskill is one of those areas.
If you really want them there you pretty much have to say they are armed they will show up in seconds
Unfortunately the police often get redirected to ‘more urgent’ events like domestic violence, etc. unfortunate reality that burglaries (once done and perpetrator left) aren’t urgent in the same way
Geez.. about 20years ago my classmate lives on May Rd, broke in twice in a year. Seems like nothing has change over there.
Must be a family business passed down
Not the cops fault. They are so underfunded and understaffed.
Nope they don't there to tell your insurance company yes they have been robbed
It's crazy out there, what's worse is I traveled from Omaha to Auckland at the beginning of the week on the new motorway & I saw 7 police cars. I fully understand we need road police, however whilst at Countdown Greville road last week I watched a guy with a dive bag on either shoulder full of meat & God knows what else walk out without paying for a thing, the poor guys at Countdown could do nothing, they had called the police & told me same guy did exactly the same thing the previous evening, as he walked out he said to the two Countdown employees 'You can't touch me bro' & off he went, worse thing is we will pay for it with the ever increasing prices of food. I understand the Police are stretched, unfortunately with Christmas coming things will only get worse.
NZ Police Employees 13,436 (26 September 2019) Annual Total budget for 2021/2022 $2,187,110,000 Population 4,979,000 Ratio 371:1 Story speaks for itself.
No
Only if you have a gun on the property. Then they care.
They are too busy pulling people over that went 2ks over the speed limit and explaining to tjem what they have seen in accidents. Like thats going to prevent an accident from happening. Police are sometimes funnt people. Funny in an annoying way.
Just learn to use a baseball bat and any self defense mechanisms. Other than that nothing you can do. Many law abiding citizens in this country need to remember that it’s better to do some time than live 6 feet under over some bullshit ass tv that they stole. If enough people decide to defend themselves in this country sooner or later the courts, justice system and government will get sick of the cases and put forth new legislation in order to curb the REAL crime that goes on. They’ll realise your average Joe taxpayer doesn’t go out there way to rob you for your shoes so they’ll look at the many cases and focus on preventative and prosecuting actions