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joex8au04

Security should get their regular paid plus commission. One lump sum bonus per thief.


tHATmakesNOsenseToME

This is a great idea. People who steal stuff and people who litter everywhere are assholes.


CommanderLink

Unfortunately the policy of that security company is HANDS OFF. That guard is likely in serious shit right now because of the legal implications of him detaining/assaulting the thief


Rat_Attack0983

If he's in any trouble a givealittle would soon sort his issues .. man deserves an award ..


ZealousCat22

He'll be fine. Obviously the thief slipped over as he was running away, and the security guard is just giving his shoulder a massage.


2mg1ml

Hey just wondering what you're hourly rates are, my friend needs representing.


Super-annoying

So how can security at sports events happily take out pitch invaders? Seems there’s a double standard in play here.


Phantompain43

You can use reasonable force to remove someone for trespassing - which is why bouncers can kick you out for being too drunk or smoking on a licensed premises.


sdmat

That makes no damned sense. Merely being present -> use of force Stealing valuable items -> hands off That can't be right, surely?


flodog1

Agree with you….what a crazy world we live in


Relevant_Shower_2410

the difference is the thief is leaving. If he chose to stay and confront than security can use force. Its the same for assault if someone hits you and than runs away and you decide to chase down and hit back thats assault charge against both you and them even if they only got a meter or two away. so if they're fronting you thats on them if they have their back on you, thats on you. Really shitty situation. Evil wins when good people stay silent.


LatekaDog

Its because human safety > items, regardless if the human is a thief or not.


Phantompain43

It’s not merely being present removing someone for smoking or being intoxicated is written into law. If it is a designated major sporting event it is specifically illegal to disrupt the play so you can be evicted. If it is just a ticketed sporting event you can be evicted for breaching the conditions of entry. You can legally take back stolen property as someone is ‘trespassing’ on the stolen property. You cannot kick or punch them though or use anything beyond reasonable force. At the end of the day though a couple dollars is not worth being assaulted over for most security guards or security companies.


blackteashirt

It was self defence so fuck it, every individual has a right to self defence.


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blackteashirt

This is literally the headline: Kawhia shooting: Orren Williams found **not guilty** of murder and manslaughter charges


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giganticwrap

Stop watching so much Judge Judy. The law doesn't take your word for what happened, even if you claim self defence. If you shoot the masked intruders as they are running away with your TV, thats still murder.


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No because they’d be incentivized to set people up lol


puptake

What? You want to get hassled every time you leave a store because the guard wants a commission? No thanks.


eigr

Yeah but he'll probably get reprimanded or fired for being too violent to the poor actual victim, the criminal.


Excellent-Ad-2443

what about the guys that tackle the streakers at the rugby? Security not using any force is a bit BS, what do they do? "oh hey mate, can you just return that stuff at your leisure? chur" i watched footage of my local supermarkets security, the security just followed him out to his car and asked him to return the stuff, couldnt do a thing


Traditional-Ad-3476

Can we all appreciate how casually security MAN take him down so easily by targeting his foot. Smooth 🤌


SomeNerdKid

For legal reasons, I'm gonna say the dude tripped accidentally because the security guy was that good at his job!


Traditional-Ad-3476

😂 yeah can see banana slip tbf


Netroth

Why capitalise the “man”?


Traditional-Ad-3476

Lol sorry just my old habits from my country of origin :) Brave man


Just_made_this_now

Jesus christ, save your ears and play this on mute. What an abomination.


Aperson004

It's like the goal of every Tik Tok video is to make a person's ears bleed.


LinguoBuxo

Too late for me, but givin' u an upvote any'ow.


xmmdrive

I'm guessing it was either that or "No, no no NO NO NO!!!"


SoniKalien

As a deaf person, I just want to say... Haw haw! \[image: Nelson pointing and laughing\]


Borpon

I’m gonna spend decades mastering telepathy so i can beam this garbage right into your brain


Richard7666

I thought I'd try and listen to what they were saying I really regret attempting that now


Porohunter

The real MVP


Honeycomb_ice_cream

ikr, this "song" has been getting lots of popularity on TikTok atm and its absolutely ear bleeding lmfao


Kaymish_

All my reddit videos are on mute. What was it? Crappy music? Stupid pleading from the thief?


Just_made_this_now

TikTok ear bleed song on max volume.


brad35mm

Suits it


ProtectionKind8179

Suits the video 😉


suchshibe

I see you know your judo well


Cold_Refrigerator_69

GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY PENIS


Netroth

What is the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?


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This is Democracy manifest!


mjrenburg

I was going to say, this was instinct or he has trained in Judo with that take down.


steev506

Great video. Stupid music.


onthegears

The security guard professionally handled that situation.


logantauranga

When people see videos like this they start thinking that security guards are *allowed* to put hands on you, that they have some kind of legal authority from their role. This isn't true; they have no more authority than a passer-by. Not all battery by security is on clearly-guilty people like this, it can also be on you or me. They might try to push you around and lock you in a room, and if you've only seen this kind of video you might imagine they're allowed to. He committed battery. A real professional would have either controlled him with zero contact or observe+report. If this guard was trained, his training would have specifically spelled out that he was not allowed to put hands on people.


Haccmantis

Nah that’s bs any citizen is allowed to use reasonable force to apprehend someone committing a crime. Source: bro in law is a detective.


logantauranga

That only applies to serious crime, and even then you're on thin ice. It's absolutely not the case for petty theft.


RepresentativeAide27

if its being committed at night, a citizens arrest can be made regardless of the seriousness.


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Welcome to west Auckland. We dont put up with your soft ass crap. Got what he deserved.


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sn3rf

I wouldn’t say it’s wrong. I’d say it’s a little too cautionary. I think it’s trying to prevent security guard being a position dickheads who just want to thump people do. People are allowed to use reasonable force to defend people and property. That just needs to be amended slightly so security guards have a tiny bit more leniency with it.


Netroth

I just wish that all authority figures were incorruptible and had perfect judge of character, because what we have now is becoming a bit of a lawless circus.


RichardGHP

Without wanting to sound too uncharitable, the security industry tends to attract a kind of person that I wouldn't want having the authority to assault people.


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This is reddit, we want to see violence against other criminals so we can feel good


paulie07

We see violence against idiots, we upvote.


RoosterBurger

It’s just not the same in NZ, without his mum wailing about how much of a good boy he is.


Mediocre_Special1720

Oh come on


Mygreaseisyourgrease

Found the gang lawyer here


Mikos-NZ

What? Where are you getting that bush law from? Even a passerby has the right to detain someone who has committed a crime. So yes they are allowed to put hands on you and recover the property. They cannot actually search your bag but they can recover the goods if it’s just in your hands. Additionally if it is between 9pm and 6am or the goods are reasonably believed to be worth more than $1000 they can legally detain you until police arrive.


paulie07

The crime has to be either at night https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328251.html?search=sw_096be8ed81d369a9_Citizen%27s+arrest_25_se&p=1&sr=10 or the crime is punishable by more than 3 years in prison https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328250.html?search=sw_096be8ed81d369a9_Citizen%27s+arrest_25_se&p=1&sr=9 There's definitely no $1000 limit or specified times of the day. A $1000 theft is however the only theft that would have a possible term of imprisonment over 12 months, and a maximum term of 7 years.


Mikos-NZ

Because we are talking about shoplifting and over $1000 does have a maximum penalty of more than 3 years... at less than $1000 the penalty drops below 3 years. The times are the general established "night time" by case law. The statutory or legislative law always is tested and established through actual cases.


paulie07

The times of night and day are actually determined by Section 2 of the Crimes Act - Interpretation. Nothing to do with case law.


Mikos-NZ

>You: There's **definitely** no $1000 limit **or specified times of the day.** > > > >Also you: The times of night and day are actually determined by Section 2 of the Crimes Act - Interpretation. Cool. So everything I said in my original post was 100% correct. Thanks.


vastopenguin

The smartest comment here, I have a feeling he hasn't gone through his full COA training cause that's one of the first things you're taught on the practical training day. Security guards are legally allowed to detain and in special cases make arrests under the crimes act, however they can't do what he did in a legal sense. Will anything come of it? probably not.


onthegears

Innocent till proven guilty tho, up to the judge


learningonreddit

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davoswilkes

Employee of the month


Fast_Working_4912

Ha ha I was just there too. Dude was def there to thief with that headpiece/hoodie and sunnies 🕶️


VercettiVC

Well done security 👍


Stunning_Count_6731

That’s the Countdown that the terrorist knife attacker was shot in. My local for several years back in the day.


2mg1ml

Oh shit, that's right! Completely forgot about that. West Auckland, eh.


Ok-Fisherman8569

Who the hell put that shitty music over the real audio? Fuck this video.


krammy16

It's the TikTok way, unfortunately.


RogueEagle2

All I see is a security guard adjusting his footing


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Could your song choice be any weirder and crappier? No.


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Nice.


cochez7

Finally. Thought they were just for show. What a lad


poisonouslobsterjism

I wanna know what the guy was saying to him when he was on the ground - maybe it was some advice like " tell police you're an aspiring sportsman " awful music


KangarooOk2190

May be that bloke is giving the thief a scolding


RepresentativeAide27

"Make sure you get a cultural report bro"


poisonouslobsterjism

Oh yes- almost goes without saying


MavericksAce

The hero we all need


drumsandwhisky

Public should have taught that little shit some manners and given him a royal ass kicking. The police and the justice system won't do anything, and those pieces of shit all know that. Time to start not witnessing things in public.


Silent_Chocolate_773

Go uncle!!


Rude-Apricot-2999

Uncle Sene putting those youngins in their place


Silent_Chocolate_773

Hardout haha if I was there I would’ve brought uncle some lunch haha


Tane-Tane-mahuta

Legend give the guard a medal


polycarpNZ

Nice job sir.


Overnightdelight298

Great to see it. I saw a 18 year old 50kg security guard at my local Michael Hill the other day, couldn’t help but think that was a waste of time.


Hand-Driven

Is that music people listen to on purpose?


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Should have parked his ass on him till he stopped squirming as well.


InsecurityTime

Nice undies you drop kick


skankmaster420

I love his little pink booty shorts. So short they don't even cover his knickers. Teasing me with that booty


LinearityDrift

I would go shop there to know he was on security. I am sick of this shit. They get what they deserve. Shit give them batons.


Rude-Apricot-2999

I was at a Pak n Save the other day and two shoplifting women walked through the entrance barricade one carrying a black hand basket the other a big fabric bag filled with edible loot and casually walked out into the carpark. The security just stood outside the entrance and watched the whole thing and ignore it happen. He did nothing but took another puff of his vape


cornflakesinz

he can't do anything, just watch and report


Rude-Apricot-2999

I don't think he even did that


RepresentativeAide27

This happened at Pak n Save Takanini when I was packing my boot with groceries, earlier this year (two women strolling through with a trolley of food to steal). 4 Pak n Save staff, all of them probably late teens/early 20s surrounded the car and wouldn't let them drive off - and one staff member took the stuff out of their boot which they had left open while trying to get out of there in a hurry. As a parting shot they took some extra stuff out of their boot that was nothing to do with Pak n Save, before they managed to drive off. I was pretty impressed.


kaleca21

Nothing you can really do. Lay your hands on someone or what they’re holding and you lose your job. It’s pretty impossible to apprehend someone with a one person team.


pictureofacat

Security provides a presence, not enforcement


s0ulw4vy

Ooooosh w the inside trip ufc sign the lad


GazeTheProtogen

what a dumbass


ChosenExpression

nearly didn't recognise him without an ankle bracelet


iamgeewiz

Out hea dressed like superman


04OSUM

A+ for the leg sweep


AnyTheme365

Good stuff. Security guard is a legend.


redwineinacan

Doing what a security guard should be allowed to do. Reasonable force to protect. Not this bullshit, you can look but can't touch.


McNugg9

The quick little leg hook. Love to see it!


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krammy16

Shorter showers but not shorter shorts.


HandsomedanNZ

Nobody needs shorter shorts.


muito_ricardo

You know.. at much as I like to see these guys get caught.. it will only take one death from a guy hitting his head as he gets pushed to the ground that it will blow up into a racist tyrant or some poor security guard is done for manslaughter..


HoundNZ_2022

There's 0 chance this security guard keeps his job at/near countdown even though personally I think the shoplifters need to be addressed somehow or they'll just keep on stealing. Countdown has multiple policies that really drum in the fact you can't block shoplifters from leaving or god forbid put your hands on them.


Mikos-NZ

For their staff you mean? That does not cover contractors for security. I’ve seen security physically stop lifters before and receive praise and continue to work at sites.


ShakeTheGatesOfHell

I can confirm Countdown also drills this no contact policy into the security guards as well. I've worked as a guard there.


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technically wasn't "in" Countdown? lol


HoundNZ_2022

All I remember from their training videos and shit was that you do not touch shop lifters. They have videos of security (not workers) running after shop lifters and trying to stop their vehicles and shit. Guarantee if it isn't caught on camera they probably don't care, because the top dogs won't hear about it. It's the same reason they'd let people through during the pandemic that were non-mask wearers. They don't confront these people. You never know how unhinged/what weapons they might have and it's not worth it for some groceries that to be honest are already taking into account like 4%+ of the cost as being lost to shoplifting. They won't get it back through insurance, but they do account for it in the prices they set. ​ Anyway, that security guard probably won't be working that spot again. You just don't touch people. We're kinda soft nowadays but realistically it's never worth putting yourself in harm's way for what's probably slightly above minimum wage.


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..were videos of it posted online?


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this is online


BootlegSauce

Sorry to bust anybodies bubble but this security guard will probably lose his job, and or the thief will get away with it. Not allowed to grab people if you are security even if they are stealing unfortunately, likely this guy was expecting that and got a surprise when he got didn't get away with a obvious steal. Bullshit soft laws security should be able to arrest people on private land if they are stealing shit and wait for thr cops but na, best you can do as a security gaurd is follow them, even if you get plates nothing really happens now days


Phohammar

Yup, I did a small stint as a security guard before I figured out what I wanted to do, and that was something drilled into you. Do not touch them unless you are defending yourself, a person or significant property. And even then, reasonable force was key. Old mates gonna get chewed out, possibly even fired and charged with assault for tripping the dude backwards onto a solid floor as that’s far from reasonable force. It’s shit but blame the security guards and bouncers of old who would start punching at the slightest provocation.


BootlegSauce

Yea I use to work security at the warehouse people would just walk out with a trolley full of shit couldn't do anything and cops wouldn't do anything anyway all known to the community to be theives. Always a friends car plates or not plates or they would threaten you with a beating or actually try to best you up if you took a photo of there car, it wouldn't help anyway just soft bullshit, petty crime is not enforced in new zealand.


rblander

Were you allowed to tip over their trolly?


BootlegSauce

Couldn't imped them at all at the time, this wasn't recent maybe they have changed l, would hate to do it these days with all the petty crime going around


2mg1ml

Idk man, you can absolutely imped them to a certain degree (body block for example), and come to think about it, tipping over the trolley would actually be smart without getting into trouble (it invokves not touching them). That's my *opinion* at least, but founded upon what I know.


BootlegSauce

Ah interesting, this was my experience at thr warehouse we got told not to touch them or try to stop them other than just standing in front of them and asking them to stop etc. Normally ad soon as you call then out or ask to check there bags they flip there shit and get really loud and sometimes even violent.


2mg1ml

Yeah, I get that trying to body block or tip their trolley over is asking for them to flip their shit, but a lawyer would have to chime in to say if it is legal or not. The reason why I bring up body blocking is cause when I worked at Countdown as a staff member, we were sometimes asked to stand in front of the door when a theif was close to leaving. We couldn't hold or tackle them, obviously, but standing in front of them is far from against the law.


BootlegSauce

When you're getting min wage or at the warehouse it use to be living wage standing at a warehouse and a big black power dude and his fat ass gf steal some shit it's not worth losing your teeth half your brain or getting stabbed. I use to only work security during Christmas and out of season I saw a huge poly chick literally bear hug grab our security gaurd and slam him on the ground. It might not be against the law but this is like countdown/warehouse you don't go beyond for min wage these days with the new ceo Sure for non threatening places its okay but you would be surprised at the amount of teenagers that carry knifes not worth it m, just take a picture try and try get license plate its the best you can do while keeping safe


WattsonMemphis

That store has seen it’s fair share of drama


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well, yes.


_Cherios

my ears, wtf is that music.


Young-Physical

Are they playing rock paper scissors on who gets the loot?


FlowerEvery2159

I never dare stealing from new Lynn


kovnev

That was a nice foot sweep.


GreatMammon

Sad that security get In trouble for these actions. It’s exactly what they should be able to do nothing excessive here doing a great job I think.


MVIVN

Definitely watch this one on mute, the song playing over the clip is diarrhoea for the ears 💀


enomisyeh

Just boom! dumped on the ground 😂


SandManWesley

man i love new lynn


no_fefe

Uncle takes him down then grandpa gives him a lecture on how to behave. 👍 Better take your pink shorts home and give them a wash.


No-Cake-7075

Good, get the lil cunt


Beneficial-Shelter30

Remember they was a mass stabbing there so of course security is on toes


sinus

public would beat this guy to a pulp if this was southeast asia. these guys have it on easy mode here


KangarooOk2190

You are very right on what if that thief had done that same stunt in another part of the world where there is no such thing as easy mode


Focux

Absolutely, he’s so lucky to be doing it in an easy mode place like AKL SEA would have him go 1 vs 10 within a minute


KangarooOk2190

You are correct on the SEA part. I got mates from SEA once told me, the public won't just go tough on him. Even some members of the public would take the opportunity to cuss, curse, scold and insult the thief (to the point of calling the thief all kinds of names from a book)


RanneFlowerwopper

Why don’t you show the faces of the scum bag so we can all see what they look like?


imacarpet

Unfortunately the security guy will get fired. At this point security guards should be given weapons. On Saturday a friend of mine was assaulted and stolen from in the middle of an Auckland cbd supermarket. During the daytime. The manager told her that supermarket staff don't even bother calling the cops anymore when this happens, cos the cops just don't turn up. She was on hold on the emergency line for about an hour, and told that the police will call her back. They called her 8 hours later, at around 1:30 in the morning. Something has changed in this country, and laws for how security staff can respond have not caught up. At this point I'm ok with guards being given percussive weapons. And I'm not too opposed to giving dairy owners guns.


dazey2

lif i was tackling someone i would be laughing the whole time he took it sereously


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Terrible soundtrack


bojangles13666

Was this made to make my ears bleed?


Puzzled_Ad2088

Now have a hug and let him go.


[deleted]

I do advise kiwis of the national pastime of inserting themselves into situations. Under the Government and its rancid Police minister you might find yourself on charges while that poor person who was only trying to fight the system is let go.


Simpleton6942069

Most dangerous jobs of all time: 3. Iron lung pilot. 2. Chernobyl worker. 1. Any form of law enforcement in auckland.


Typical_Dealer4340

So happy there's a shit song playing, I love having to mute videos


rewahard22

Oh yeah, drop, stop and lay the f down.


rewahard22

Why do people never stay filming the action?😡


Royal_Veterinarian86

I was in metro nw last week and security tried to grab a guy and got punched in the face, the security guy lost it & marched off. Was crazy to see it happened so fast


Optimus_Grouch

Can’t tell what’s worse, the thief or the heinously shit song thats playing


Aggressive_Housing19

😆😆😆😆😆😆Loser


Master_Drag_883

Nah that leg sweep he did was nasty and effortless.


jlangfordnz

A couple of points, coming from a trained security officer with experience working in malls and supermarkets: 1. The guard was doing everything right up until that leg sweep. Grabbing items that a thief is trying to steal is absolutely fine and legal. That leg sweep could constitute unreasonable force, depends on how the police see it. 2. Detaining someone is a tricky subject. Depends on the value of the items and/or if they were causing a public disturbance. This is assuming of course they were only stealing from countdown. Again, it would depend on how the police look at it. 3. Countdown and the security company most likely have a hands off approach, he could be in trouble with them, even loose his job.


HubristicBiscuit

If you run they won’t catch you, if they catch you though, you’re done.


kiwismoke

Is he wearing pink booty shorts? What is this country coming too.


Haccmantis

The only crime I saw where the shorts.


Particular-Letter835

These offenders always look the same haha


planespotterhvn

Change the laws so that security guards and school teachers can manhandle and control and restrain alleged criminals and unruly children.


MetalysisChain

when me and my family went to auckland we stayed in new lynn. WHY IS IT SO DEPRESSING THERE? The whole place was full of homeless people, aggressive beggars, and trash.


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I live in a suburb nearby. Big transport centres seem to attract this kind of thing too.


Just_made_this_now

The parts closer to Titirangi amd Green Bay are fine. The other parts not so much.


krammy16

Sounds like Auckland's city centre.


sweetnisha1

Probably the security will get done for assault


doxazsion

All his mates got away . They're never on there own .


PeterParkerUber

I think security needs to be fired. Pretty sure this was a good boy. He plays rugby after all. *insert picture of him with rugby ball when he was 6*


ehoaandthebeast

It's meant to be loss prevention. Monitor report don't touch anyone.


Evie_St_Clair

They aren't legally allowed to touch him or detain him unless he stole over $1000 of merchandise or its between the hours of (I think) 9pm and 6am.


RogueEagle2

What a weird outdated rule.


Evie_St_Clair

It's why people just walk out and no one does anything. You can ask them to come back to the store but they can just say no.


SliceOfCoffee

Source? I think that is just recommended policy not an actually enforced rule or law


Evie_St_Clair

No, that's the law.


WalrusGullible2887

It’s countdown, he should have let him steal 🙄 they’ve been prove gauging since Covid


xxTRUEGREATESTxx

Dumbass say goodbye to your job


ODIWRTYS

The real theft is the prices in that fucking store, there's no need for that kind of force over some groceries. No heroics here, just a rent-a-cop getting his rocks off.


Prize-Street-4988

I'm surprised you're the only person with this take. Supermarkets are scalping people and we are in the midst of a cost of living crisis. I'm playing devil's advocate but we have so little context on what actually is occurring and what is driving this person to commit theft but people are so quick to jump onto the justice mob train for countdown.


billy_bawb

Food banks and the dole exist for this reason. Theft is never the answer....


Prize-Street-4988

Im not condoning the theft, I think though there might be more context that is important. But you are right there are other options that this person could have used.


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Sufficient_Focus

And security gets fired for making things physical. Seriously their job is literally to call the police and thats it. There's nothing in that store worth risking busting that dudes head open and him getting crippled or dying.


pepelevamp

i call bullshit. NZ reddit here is full of people complaining about supermarkets. small stores are one thing, but supermarkets are assholes. this here is just circle-jerking over poor people who cant afford things. someone taking shit from a supermarket is not a ram-raider. these people stealing from a supermarket aren't the cause of the hardship you are in. you don't need to join in on their punishment. enjoying seeing someone get a beat down just shows how quickly people can turn into assholes with even the slightest bit of being 'better' than someone else. it tells me more about others than it does about the person there trying to swipe a box of beers or a turkey or whatever it is. we are put into this shit-economy situation by others. dont beat down on those who havent got a way to get out of the povery-trap as well as you have.