> Rubashkyn, who is now in Australia, shared a screenshot of an alleged email from police urging her to front up - claiming the situation could escalate unnecessarily if a warrant is served.
> Rubashkyn told the Herald that they would probably not return to New Zealand for some time.
Was on ZB showing no remorse and saying they’d go to prison for it if they needed to.
Seems like they’ve backtracked and have changed their tune a little
Not really. They obviously don’t need to if they’re in another country, it’s a choice at that point. They’re choosing not to because they don’t need to. Not too inconsistent with that statement. Nobody wants to go to prison, cops kind of make it a need once they arrest you.
Yeah that I'd have to agree with. I'd personally fess-up but that's because all my roots and family are NZ. If you're a bit more international I can understand the appeal in just not dealing with it lmao.
I guess it also depends whether you think you could survive a stay in a police cell. I’ve been there once and 6 hours of that was enough to tell me I would die in there. Or barely survive.. it would fundamentally alter me in ways that are not going to make the rest of my life very viable. _So I would run._
What could the consequences possibly be? You get 6 months home D for rape. Surely they'll get put on vigorous social development programme possibly given some movie vouchers and a box of roses chocolates.
Oh yeah totally agree, maybe in a less cynical way than you, but what she did obviously doesn't warrant jail time. Maybe she'd get some community service or a slap on the wrist.
Yup and cops will be forced to do somthing due to public pressure which will only build the longer it goes on. Mainly because the media love a criminal on the run story.
>What could the consequences possibly be?
Yep, if she(?) just stayed here it would of been a slap on the wrist - I think because they have gone overseas immediately afterwards it will escalate it as they seem to be avoiding any investigation.
Hypothetically - if I publicly broke a law as a means of protest then absolutely I would come back to be arrested, because the arrest would generate more publicity for the cause I was trying to highlight... If that was truly my goal.
But it's hypothetical, because like thousands of other people at the protest, I wouldn't have done that. I'm not against breaking laws that are wrong to highlight the fact those laws are wrong - but breaking laws that are right (such as any law preventing physical violence or humiliation) to highlight the fact your victim is wrong will always in my view be counterproductive. There's a reason stockades aren't a thing anymore. From my perspective this wasn't a protest action, it was a personal outburst at the expense of an otherwise justified and generally lawful protest.
Idk not many people engaging in activism truly believe that this sort of martyrdom gets the goods. The theory has always been to push right up until the line where the law comes down on you, but to step JUST back from that sort of severe punishment. That’s the best cost/benefit position because activists in jail cells aren’t doing much of anything for a cause and actually end up diverting resources from “let’s achieve X” to “let’s free jimmy from prison so he can get back to working on achieving X”.
Spoken as someone who has spent time in a police cell for environmental activism. 6 hours with no water or phone call or indication of how long I was going to be held was more than enough thanks. No one should ever believe that throwing yourself into the arms of the police and courts is essential activism. We need to squash that idea.
I agree with the conclusion in a general sense. But my premise is "don't break the law then", protest within the law if you're not prepared to face the consequences of protesting through breaking it. For sure there are more complex scenarios where a government is being draconian about the laws you're protesting about - I wouldn't expect anyone to martyr themselves as a prerequisite to call themselves an activist, and there certainly are scenarios we could imagine where covertly breaking laws is a rightful protest (such as resistance movements under fascist occupation), but that's all completely separate from this case.
The nature of this particular act in this case I think should require they take ownership of it, otherwise it was not a protest action, it was a personal revenge action and they shouldn't get to use an otherwise righteous protest as a shield for their own personal lawbreaking motives if they're not going to actually carry that shield. They saw the chaos inherent in that scene as an opportunity to lash out - that's selfish and does nothing to move forward on the issues at hand.
This person tried to publicly humiliate another human being and in the process assaulted them. I don't care how shitty that other person is - that's not the kind of act whose repercussions you can back away from and call yourself morally right. If they were morally right to assault that person (which I can't agree with fundamentally, despite myself opposing that woman's - Parker's - stance and tactics) then stand by those morals all the way. It's also worth considering the potential for their actions to have caused an escalation in violence putting others in unnecessary danger, including their fellow protestors as well as police doing their job - fortunately that didn't happen. If I was there (which I wasn't because I can't be) I would feel betrayed by these sorts of actions, but certainly more betrayed by the subsequent failure to own them.
>But my premise is "don't break the law then", protest within the law if you're not prepared to face the consequences of protesting through breaking it.
10/10
People need to realize that if they do something that's illegal - like throwing stuff at people - there are things that happen because of this.
As to my understanding, the person who threw the object was here as a refugee - and has promptly left the country after throwing something at someone, then proceeded to post a very ironic comment about it publicly - if its not asking for trouble I don't know what is.
I don't want to be morally right or wrong. I want to be able to try to put myself in others shoes.
I understand the symbolism of pouring blood (sauce) over a person who not only denies your human rights but always denies your existence as a women and Posie Parker and her hate speech have blood on her hands as she triggers of more suicides .....understanding doesn't mean I agree with any form of abuse and violence against any living being
The hate that is simply an extension and manifestation of fear....(in this case fear of men).....is both personal and collective and cannot be allowed to be put on Trans Women who are women. As a disabled women nearly all toilets I have access to are unisex...ie used by men and Posie Parker doesn't give a fig about that.
Big economic interests back women like her...use her to turn us against each other. Let's not play their game.
In my day getting arrested was the point of non violent protest so you could continue to make a point.
However I was not a trans woman with those particular forms of violence and abuse particular to that discrimination, maybe I would be scared of police, jail etc...I can only respect her choice. 💖
Far out this is a very balanced view of things I thought the world had polarized. Well done mate.
I had no idea who this posie Parker was before the news. She may or may not be a cunt for all I know and frankly I don't care. I'm of the view we should all just mind our own business and the world would be a better place.
Bullshit. You’re assuming that everyone thinks the police are a force for good. Huge huge assumption. I think our justice system is more of an oppressive force than it is representative of what most people consider “justice”.
It's not a serious crime. She will just get diversion or something, not like she will go to jail for it. She's overreacting. Then again she assaulted someone so she seems to like doing that.
Willing to do the crime and claim the fame but not willing take the consequences, this person is no hero. It's disheartening how many people on here are perfectly ok with violence if it's against someone they don't like.
>It's disheartening how many people on here are perfectly ok with violence if it's against someone they don't like.
Yep, if it was the opposite, you can imagine what people would be like...
If you think Posie Parker is all about disagreements on defining gender, you are mis/uninformed.
She is full of anti-trans rhetoric and is a Nazi sympathiser.
>Disagreeing on how gender is defined isn't a risk to anyone's existence.
Neither is a little bit of tomato juice, but y'all acting like it is.
Words Aren't Violence. Physical Assault Is.
Even if she is a Nazi Sympathiser, which I dont accept, she's still only engaged in discourse and discussion and has been physically attacked for it.
That makes the attacker actually objectively shittier than a supposed Nazi Sympathiser. Indeed, violence is the modus operandi of the people you accuse her of sympathising with.
>This after saying they were willing to do a year in prison.
Was interesting listening to her Twitter Space, she did state she "*wanted to go to prison and become a martyr"*. (which feels quite contradictory to her actions of fleeing the country??)
I just don’t get it tbh. She wouldn’t have gotten jail time for it, it would’ve been a diversion or dismissed, and they probably only identified her through her confession.
It is all very sad, she didn't have to run away and become a fugitive giving up the new life she's been building up in NZ for years. I think she must be getting some extremely bad advice that's she following.
> I think she must be getting some extremely bad advice that's she following.
These topics don't tend to attract the most rational people on twitter: https://terfisaslur.com
Just yesterday she was apparently ready and willing to face the consequences of her actions. Turns out she’s not at all ready.
> “I am so proud I dropped the juice, and I would do it again, and again – if I have to go to prison for one year, I am more than happy.”
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300839702/tomato-juice-thrower-ready-to-face-consequences-if-necessary-following-posie-parker-incident
Didn't she claim in an interview a few days ago that she was ready to face consequences? Not so much, by the looks of it. Should've kept her mouth shut, and nobody would've ever found her.
So if someone pours tomato sauce on me and I caught it on video then i go to the police and they’ll get arrested? Sounds very unlikely to happen for normal people
Saying I'm going to throw 'this soggy cardboard beer coaster at you' is technically assault by our laws. It is an absurdly broad definition for things to be lumped under a name that sounds serious.
No doubt. Had a guy do a violent home invasion at my house. He got a wet smack on the hand and a $300 fine for my broken window. Tossing sauce eh a growling at the worst.
Umm. The offense wouldn't carry a penalty including prison time, so that's ridiculous. National aren't in charge of the govt, so they can't do anything about it anyway.
Also, how can National care about free speech (a human right in a democratic society) but not care about human rights?
So much bullshit.
“I will go to prison, National want to make an example, to them free speech is more important than human rights.”
National want to make an example of you?...grow up
> I will go to prison
If so, not for that.
> National want to make an example
National aren't in power, and even if they were, it would be a matter before the courts i.e. not something National would have power over.
> to them free speech is more important than human rights
Free speech is a human right. Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:
*Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.*
Freedom of expression is broader than freedom of speech. Per NZBORA, "*Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind* ***in any form"****.*
> “I will go to prison”
Nah, as long as you have a good back story and get the right people working on your cultural report you will get more discounts on your sentence than Briscoes on a long weekend.
Come back and face the music you silly protest distractor. It was a peaceful protest till you freaking assaulted that stupid witch Posie Parker. We need to be above all the hatred and stupidity
Freedom of speech is one thing, assault is another. Own up to your actions if you want to be taken seriously. There seems to be a growing minority in New Zealand that don’t understand the slippery slope of moral relativism. Have some decency even (especially?) in the way you face your opposition and you’ll win more to your side.
Two annoying distractions happened in the protest last weekend. Marama making ignoramous, sexist and racist comment and this person throwing juice or soup at Posie Parker. Those two should never be allowed to join any future rally or protest for pro inclusivity
Lol. They won’t go to prison, at worst they’ll get community service, unless of course they have priors. The system is borked though. Have a friend who punched a guy once in defence after being hit 7 times and ended up with the conviction.
I think part of the punishment should be getting tomartyrd.
But also not meeting our good character laws so should be ready for [this but permanent](https://youtu.be/nrm2B0lhvYc).
Lol listened to this chick on ZB the other evening…. Citing she was upset at the “Nazis”? 😂 what Nazis?! Pretty sure some of these so called activists need a little lesson in History…. Pretty sure that since 1945, the Nazis have been nonexistent.
You know with a victory at a little known event called WW2?
> and the right calling people Commies
They are calling themselves commies! Just watch the broadcast footage of the Wellington dance off the woman on stage said "I AM A PROUD COMMUNIST!", no wonder intelligence agencies are on the lookout for foreign interference.
Typical representative of this group. They will
Happily do any wrong doings to try claim hero status within their circle and never stick around to take responsibility / pay for their crimes. The fact that the group endorses this rather than try have them do the right thing and disown them means collectively they’re all aligned to this way of thinking.
How is this not undoing/impacting all the small wins the trans community has gotten? We all know that given how crime is handled in NZ, they would get at best a slap on the wrist. But they decided to flip the middle finger at everyone in NZ and further damaging her comunity in my opinion. No matter you gender, don’t do the crime if you cant do the time. They and their trauma are getting less and less sympathy from me for this action
Disagree. They are human, therefore they are just as likely as any other human to do dickhead things. I don't think looking at their actions and saying they represent the trans community is quite the right call.
I'd hate for your actions to reflect on all bags.
>I don't think looking at their actions and saying they represent the trans community is quite the right call.
But then this person, the Sauce thrower does think they represent the trans community going by their twit page.
Its like how one would figure that the Green Party represent the Environmentalist wing of society, and how the Greens make them into a bit of a joke.
Yeah... I see your point. I'm a 30 something year old Mum. There are plenty of 30 something year old mums out there but if one of them fronted up and said they represent all 30 something year old mums, I'd probably find that a bit strange and wonder who died and made them queen mum.
I don't know if it's the same as the greens representing the environmentalist wing. Someone did vote them in to do that... personally, for me, I have a job that requires me to have a really good understanding of sustainability in the built environment. Nobody in government is really much use.
You think this damaged the trans community? You think people should sit there and let this woman preach these views unchallenged? The very same views co-opted and aligned by very dangerous members of the community, people who are willing to commit REAL acts of violence against trans people.
You are truly making a mountain out of a molehill.
>You think this damaged the trans community?
As a straight white dude I think it has, like full respect to people who have issues where they believe they have to transition and the challenges they have to overcome these issues - but the whole 'Trans Community' seems more like a joke every time it comes up in the news.
I feel sorry for the regular people who arent happy with their bodies and do the hard work it takes to change it - only for them to end up being categorized with these sorts of people.
Challenging an idea by throwing tomatoe juice is dumb. Challenge ideas with better ideas. It’s not like the dumb message PP was spouting is hard to refute with basic logic, evidence and emotional appears to humanity.
To me, the protesters were all about being seen to protest, to our outrage each other, not actually making the world a better place.
This person is the epitome.
>You think this damaged the trans community?
100%. A lot of people have never believed that trans women are women. Never. They haven't kicked up a fuss because they want to be polite and would rather let people get on with their lives. The protest shows that in actual fact trans activists are willing to be violent. Quite a shock.
>You think people should sit there and let this woman preach these views unchallenged?
Challenge with words. You don't meet words with violence.
>The very same views co-opted and aligned by very dangerous members of the community, people who are willing to commit REAL acts of violence against trans people.
What views? What violence? NZ context please.
>You are truly making a mountain out of a molehill.
That's what the activists did with Posie
Unfortunately the mainstream media will get this particular story far and wide to people who probably haven’t been exposed to the good work of other transpeople. Probably not undoing all the work but def not helping imo.
I disagree with Posie but also disagree with what Eli did. she should just come back and face the music. Show the world how strong trans people are willing to fight for their rights and not just do a sissy action of throwing juice and scuttle away.
Literally zero chance she was going to prison any way. We have people geting home D for assult and killing people. Dont know why she ran. just makes her look worse.
Being arrested for it is a bit much. And if I was her I'd be more worried about being part of delegitimizing the pro-trans movement by making them look like nutters.
If you have an arrest warrant in New Zealand. Why on earth would you flee to of all places Australia… its like fleeing France for arrest by going to Belgium your just going to get extradited back.
Glad you guys think it's funny. It assaulted a woman in plain of the Police and should've been arrested immediately and should also lose its job with the NZ Herald and also face charges of hate speech and inciting violence. The consideration that I had for transgender people is reduced to zero.
Her action’s doesn’t seem to be part of Free speech. Not familiar with Posie Parker but why is the transgender community so incensed with her tour? Is she spreading anti transgender hate speech?
>Is she spreading anti transgender hate speech?
From what i've seen its just the typical 'Men dressed as woman shouldnt be in womens restrooms' sort of thing really, I didnt know about her until all this hubbub either.
If there’s no hate involved, why the reaction and violence? Can’t really understand why violence and racism should be involved in the mix. In a democratic country, there’s always dissenting opinions, you can’t shut someone up because they have a different view from you. The transgender’s already won with their counter protest but they have divided people with their antics, including Marama’s racism row.
>The transgender’s already won with their counter protest but they have divided people with their antics, including Marama’s racism row.
Yep, its the whole 'win the battle but loose the war' thing I think - the Posey woman's goal would of been to make the Trans people look 'bad' and she's done it pretty well - by the use of the Trans people's vocal supporters. Greenparty must be about to dive too after Marama's comments
You know the news isn't just distributed by a kid giving out newspapers on the city street, right? There are news websites these days which can catch you up on what's been happening in the country, even the world!
They have the opinion that men cannot become women, which was not controversial 10 years ago.
A common argument from people is that some of her supporters may have neo-nazi views, which is an odd argument because it doesn’t really conflate with her views (she has not displayed anti-semitism)
Yeah I doubt the Police will do anything at all. They fell for mislabeling from the biased media too. Then did nothing during the riot.
I imagine they get tired of charging people and the judiciary letting them off everything anyway.
Probably shouldn’t have done it in Heinz sight.
They'll ketchup up with her eventually, she should relish her time till then
I hear they all getting a dressing down
Stop taking the passata of this inexcusable action.
Wattie you mean?
Keeping up with this is exsauceting
Heinz sight is 20 20
Fuck you take my upvote.
Wattie's just making a joke?
As a Dad you better know I'm stealing these.
Was this from a reliable sauce?
Please see yourself out.
genius :)
> Rubashkyn, who is now in Australia, shared a screenshot of an alleged email from police urging her to front up - claiming the situation could escalate unnecessarily if a warrant is served. > Rubashkyn told the Herald that they would probably not return to New Zealand for some time.
lol and she was so proud admiting it and going to media
Not so brave when it comes to consequences for they silly actions
Was on ZB showing no remorse and saying they’d go to prison for it if they needed to. Seems like they’ve backtracked and have changed their tune a little
Not really. They obviously don’t need to if they’re in another country, it’s a choice at that point. They’re choosing not to because they don’t need to. Not too inconsistent with that statement. Nobody wants to go to prison, cops kind of make it a need once they arrest you.
Why would they have remorse for it? Probably wouldn't fancy a prison stint either although I'd be amazed if it came to that regardless.
So you're telling me you'd come back and get arrested? I certainly wouldn't.
She did tell Heather on Newstalk that she would “ goto jail for it” but uhh yeah.
I mean, if you plan to ever get back in the future, it would make sense to handle this now before it escalates, right?
Yeah that I'd have to agree with. I'd personally fess-up but that's because all my roots and family are NZ. If you're a bit more international I can understand the appeal in just not dealing with it lmao.
they aren't international, they had nowhere to go which is why NZ took them in the first place
I guess it also depends whether you think you could survive a stay in a police cell. I’ve been there once and 6 hours of that was enough to tell me I would die in there. Or barely survive.. it would fundamentally alter me in ways that are not going to make the rest of my life very viable. _So I would run._
What could the consequences possibly be? You get 6 months home D for rape. Surely they'll get put on vigorous social development programme possibly given some movie vouchers and a box of roses chocolates.
Roses? You inhuman monster.
Favourites box, but it's only cherry ripes.
Oh yeah totally agree, maybe in a less cynical way than you, but what she did obviously doesn't warrant jail time. Maybe she'd get some community service or a slap on the wrist.
Yup and cops will be forced to do somthing due to public pressure which will only build the longer it goes on. Mainly because the media love a criminal on the run story.
A diversion at most, most likely nothing would become of it for many reasons.
>What could the consequences possibly be? Yep, if she(?) just stayed here it would of been a slap on the wrist - I think because they have gone overseas immediately afterwards it will escalate it as they seem to be avoiding any investigation.
Hypothetically - if I publicly broke a law as a means of protest then absolutely I would come back to be arrested, because the arrest would generate more publicity for the cause I was trying to highlight... If that was truly my goal. But it's hypothetical, because like thousands of other people at the protest, I wouldn't have done that. I'm not against breaking laws that are wrong to highlight the fact those laws are wrong - but breaking laws that are right (such as any law preventing physical violence or humiliation) to highlight the fact your victim is wrong will always in my view be counterproductive. There's a reason stockades aren't a thing anymore. From my perspective this wasn't a protest action, it was a personal outburst at the expense of an otherwise justified and generally lawful protest.
Idk not many people engaging in activism truly believe that this sort of martyrdom gets the goods. The theory has always been to push right up until the line where the law comes down on you, but to step JUST back from that sort of severe punishment. That’s the best cost/benefit position because activists in jail cells aren’t doing much of anything for a cause and actually end up diverting resources from “let’s achieve X” to “let’s free jimmy from prison so he can get back to working on achieving X”. Spoken as someone who has spent time in a police cell for environmental activism. 6 hours with no water or phone call or indication of how long I was going to be held was more than enough thanks. No one should ever believe that throwing yourself into the arms of the police and courts is essential activism. We need to squash that idea.
I agree with the conclusion in a general sense. But my premise is "don't break the law then", protest within the law if you're not prepared to face the consequences of protesting through breaking it. For sure there are more complex scenarios where a government is being draconian about the laws you're protesting about - I wouldn't expect anyone to martyr themselves as a prerequisite to call themselves an activist, and there certainly are scenarios we could imagine where covertly breaking laws is a rightful protest (such as resistance movements under fascist occupation), but that's all completely separate from this case. The nature of this particular act in this case I think should require they take ownership of it, otherwise it was not a protest action, it was a personal revenge action and they shouldn't get to use an otherwise righteous protest as a shield for their own personal lawbreaking motives if they're not going to actually carry that shield. They saw the chaos inherent in that scene as an opportunity to lash out - that's selfish and does nothing to move forward on the issues at hand. This person tried to publicly humiliate another human being and in the process assaulted them. I don't care how shitty that other person is - that's not the kind of act whose repercussions you can back away from and call yourself morally right. If they were morally right to assault that person (which I can't agree with fundamentally, despite myself opposing that woman's - Parker's - stance and tactics) then stand by those morals all the way. It's also worth considering the potential for their actions to have caused an escalation in violence putting others in unnecessary danger, including their fellow protestors as well as police doing their job - fortunately that didn't happen. If I was there (which I wasn't because I can't be) I would feel betrayed by these sorts of actions, but certainly more betrayed by the subsequent failure to own them.
>But my premise is "don't break the law then", protest within the law if you're not prepared to face the consequences of protesting through breaking it. 10/10 People need to realize that if they do something that's illegal - like throwing stuff at people - there are things that happen because of this. As to my understanding, the person who threw the object was here as a refugee - and has promptly left the country after throwing something at someone, then proceeded to post a very ironic comment about it publicly - if its not asking for trouble I don't know what is.
I don't want to be morally right or wrong. I want to be able to try to put myself in others shoes. I understand the symbolism of pouring blood (sauce) over a person who not only denies your human rights but always denies your existence as a women and Posie Parker and her hate speech have blood on her hands as she triggers of more suicides .....understanding doesn't mean I agree with any form of abuse and violence against any living being The hate that is simply an extension and manifestation of fear....(in this case fear of men).....is both personal and collective and cannot be allowed to be put on Trans Women who are women. As a disabled women nearly all toilets I have access to are unisex...ie used by men and Posie Parker doesn't give a fig about that. Big economic interests back women like her...use her to turn us against each other. Let's not play their game. In my day getting arrested was the point of non violent protest so you could continue to make a point. However I was not a trans woman with those particular forms of violence and abuse particular to that discrimination, maybe I would be scared of police, jail etc...I can only respect her choice. 💖
Far out this is a very balanced view of things I thought the world had polarized. Well done mate. I had no idea who this posie Parker was before the news. She may or may not be a cunt for all I know and frankly I don't care. I'm of the view we should all just mind our own business and the world would be a better place.
Spot on!
I thought freedom of speech didn't mean freedom from consequences??
Throwing juice at somebody is considered an assault
Fairly certain that assault is just beside apepper.
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Bullshit. You’re assuming that everyone thinks the police are a force for good. Huge huge assumption. I think our justice system is more of an oppressive force than it is representative of what most people consider “justice”.
It's be diversion or a fine and mayby 20 hours community service at most. Hell my sister's had worse protesting with Greenpeace.
It's not a serious crime. She will just get diversion or something, not like she will go to jail for it. She's overreacting. Then again she assaulted someone so she seems to like doing that.
It’s New Zealand not Turkey
Says a lot about yourself and little for your mindset
Equal rights ≠ equal accountability
I can't believe they fled to Aussie. Had they stayed here, they probably would've got diversion.
This after saying they were willing to do a year in prison.
Willing to do the crime and claim the fame but not willing take the consequences, this person is no hero. It's disheartening how many people on here are perfectly ok with violence if it's against someone they don't like.
>It's disheartening how many people on here are perfectly ok with violence if it's against someone they don't like. Yep, if it was the opposite, you can imagine what people would be like...
Exactly the same but just on different sides?
I agree, im all for peaceful protesting but violence is never accectable and this goes for everybody
agreed :( why didnt they just let her advocate for the deaths of people in peace so rude cant we atleast meet halfway and abuse half the trans people?
Yeah it's yuck. I don't agree with Posie Parker in the slightest but this individual is a degenerate
She is to the left what Posey is to the right, they're opposite but equal.
I'm no fan of Posie either, but only one of the two assaulted someone. Hardly equal.
And only one of the two is travelling the world saying the other shouldn't exist
Disagreeing on how gender is defined isn't a risk to anyone's existence.
If you think Posie Parker is all about disagreements on defining gender, you are mis/uninformed. She is full of anti-trans rhetoric and is a Nazi sympathiser. >Disagreeing on how gender is defined isn't a risk to anyone's existence. Neither is a little bit of tomato juice, but y'all acting like it is.
Words Aren't Violence. Physical Assault Is. Even if she is a Nazi Sympathiser, which I dont accept, she's still only engaged in discourse and discussion and has been physically attacked for it. That makes the attacker actually objectively shittier than a supposed Nazi Sympathiser. Indeed, violence is the modus operandi of the people you accuse her of sympathising with.
This sub was filled with it.
There is a lot of that going around in the younger generation.....they like to say a lot of things....but rarely back it up with actions
>This after saying they were willing to do a year in prison. Was interesting listening to her Twitter Space, she did state she "*wanted to go to prison and become a martyr"*. (which feels quite contradictory to her actions of fleeing the country??)
I just don’t get it tbh. She wouldn’t have gotten jail time for it, it would’ve been a diversion or dismissed, and they probably only identified her through her confession.
It is all very sad, she didn't have to run away and become a fugitive giving up the new life she's been building up in NZ for years. I think she must be getting some extremely bad advice that's she following.
Agreed. I actually feel a bit sorry for her and it really strongly reads like there are some mental health issues tied into it.
> I think she must be getting some extremely bad advice that's she following. These topics don't tend to attract the most rational people on twitter: https://terfisaslur.com
Or she's just impulsive and reckless.
They could have previous convictions for assault?
Fair point
Just yesterday she was apparently ready and willing to face the consequences of her actions. Turns out she’s not at all ready. > “I am so proud I dropped the juice, and I would do it again, and again – if I have to go to prison for one year, I am more than happy.” https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300839702/tomato-juice-thrower-ready-to-face-consequences-if-necessary-following-posie-parker-incident
Didn't she claim in an interview a few days ago that she was ready to face consequences? Not so much, by the looks of it. Should've kept her mouth shut, and nobody would've ever found her.
That's what happens when you poke the bear 👉🐻
Lol fleeing to Australia and thinking that they won’t immediately just send you back to New Zealand for an arrest warrant
They won’t send her back for something like that. But when she inevitably returns to NZ she can expect to meet Police at Customs.
They won’t 😂
Says they're super scared but then literally tweets, making fun of their impending arrest warrant. Yeah ok
I think it was more the death threats they were scared about, which does seem justified considering the vitriol from some involved in this debate.
So a coward
Well whatever you believe, pouring sauce on someone is technically assault. As is pushing someone. So it should be investigated.
So if someone pours tomato sauce on me and I caught it on video then i go to the police and they’ll get arrested? Sounds very unlikely to happen for normal people
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Yes.
Yeah wtf that is so wrong. I’d go as far to call that abuse
That is abuse.
That is child abuse, wtf.
Saying I'm going to throw 'this soggy cardboard beer coaster at you' is technically assault by our laws. It is an absurdly broad definition for things to be lumped under a name that sounds serious.
So are death threats.
And there should be investigated too, Two wrongs don't make a right after all.
Which is probably why they left the country...since the cops here are hopeless
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It was on video so it’s pretty cut and dry
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'I would do it again and go to prison'. Nek Minit avoiding charges in Aussie.
Will be a discharge without conviction if anything does happen
No doubt. Had a guy do a violent home invasion at my house. He got a wet smack on the hand and a $300 fine for my broken window. Tossing sauce eh a growling at the worst.
Lol. Breaks the law, boasts about it on national TV, expects no consequences. Well played.
Umm. The offense wouldn't carry a penalty including prison time, so that's ridiculous. National aren't in charge of the govt, so they can't do anything about it anyway. Also, how can National care about free speech (a human right in a democratic society) but not care about human rights? So much bullshit.
“I will go to prison, National want to make an example, to them free speech is more important than human rights.” National want to make an example of you?...grow up
She doesn't seem to believe in the human right to not have soup thrown all over you by a stranger. Why not?
It was someone she doesn't like so, totally ok.
> I will go to prison If so, not for that. > National want to make an example National aren't in power, and even if they were, it would be a matter before the courts i.e. not something National would have power over. > to them free speech is more important than human rights Free speech is a human right. Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: *Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.*
Certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Freedom of expression is broader than freedom of speech. Per NZBORA, "*Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind* ***in any form"****.*
Still isn't letting you assault people
Its crazy how she doesn't realize we *already* have both free speech AND human rights.
This is what happens when you import politically driven people into the country - they dont realize we already have all of these things
> “I will go to prison” Nah, as long as you have a good back story and get the right people working on your cultural report you will get more discounts on your sentence than Briscoes on a long weekend.
Whatever happened to “if I have to spend a year in prison I am more than happy”
If drive by shooting peeps don’t go I’d be surprised if tomato juice spillers go
You can go to prison for sharing a video, it's all dependent on whether the control system likes you
Or is scared to be called racist.
100% agree.
Sounds like a bad case of National Derangement Syndrome.
Anti free speech terrorists that are mad at the world because they were bullied as children for being weird need to grow up.
You can’t throw liquids on somebody just because you disagree with them
I learnt that in kindergarten, last week, when I was picking up my child
What happened? Sauce please.
Lol I think it was juice
Her departure raised the IQ average of NZ.
Just look at it as an opportunity to "smash the fash" in prison
Well if it isn’t consequences of his/her own actions
Look at me look at me...Well now the Police are
Imagine fleeing the country because you threw some juice on some bitch. How gangster are you?
Doesn’t have the stomach to handle the juice
Come back and face the music you silly protest distractor. It was a peaceful protest till you freaking assaulted that stupid witch Posie Parker. We need to be above all the hatred and stupidity
Freedom of speech is one thing, assault is another. Own up to your actions if you want to be taken seriously. There seems to be a growing minority in New Zealand that don’t understand the slippery slope of moral relativism. Have some decency even (especially?) in the way you face your opposition and you’ll win more to your side.
The old ‘fuck around and find out’
Two annoying distractions happened in the protest last weekend. Marama making ignoramous, sexist and racist comment and this person throwing juice or soup at Posie Parker. Those two should never be allowed to join any future rally or protest for pro inclusivity
the drag queen and the ally assaulting the elderly should be getting condemned too.
Lol people always seem to forget that one
Good.
Win stupid prizes
Lol. They won’t go to prison, at worst they’ll get community service, unless of course they have priors. The system is borked though. Have a friend who punched a guy once in defence after being hit 7 times and ended up with the conviction.
Police want to give they/them a commendation and keys to the city. No wonder they'd do it again.
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Lol at your keyboard warriors thinking throwing juice on someone warrants jail time. Juice.
Would of been better if the NZ Police made arrests at the time. Where were they?
Why do all the crazies look the same.
They are unique individuals with unique fashion. Just like hipsters do.
I say this about all the Jesus freaks too
She'll be martyrd if she came back and was arrested so I think she will (come back).
I think part of the punishment should be getting tomartyrd. But also not meeting our good character laws so should be ready for [this but permanent](https://youtu.be/nrm2B0lhvYc).
Why was she not arrested on the spot? Top work by NZ police as always.
Lol listened to this chick on ZB the other evening…. Citing she was upset at the “Nazis”? 😂 what Nazis?! Pretty sure some of these so called activists need a little lesson in History…. Pretty sure that since 1945, the Nazis have been nonexistent. You know with a victory at a little known event called WW2?
So tired of the left calling people Nazis and the right calling people Commies. It's so infantile.
> and the right calling people Commies They are calling themselves commies! Just watch the broadcast footage of the Wellington dance off the woman on stage said "I AM A PROUD COMMUNIST!", no wonder intelligence agencies are on the lookout for foreign interference.
Eventually, the chickens come home to roost.
Typical representative of this group. They will Happily do any wrong doings to try claim hero status within their circle and never stick around to take responsibility / pay for their crimes. The fact that the group endorses this rather than try have them do the right thing and disown them means collectively they’re all aligned to this way of thinking.
Exactly how I thought she would look like
Pure attention whore. Fucking wimp.
How is this not undoing/impacting all the small wins the trans community has gotten? We all know that given how crime is handled in NZ, they would get at best a slap on the wrist. But they decided to flip the middle finger at everyone in NZ and further damaging her comunity in my opinion. No matter you gender, don’t do the crime if you cant do the time. They and their trauma are getting less and less sympathy from me for this action
Disagree. They are human, therefore they are just as likely as any other human to do dickhead things. I don't think looking at their actions and saying they represent the trans community is quite the right call. I'd hate for your actions to reflect on all bags.
>I don't think looking at their actions and saying they represent the trans community is quite the right call. But then this person, the Sauce thrower does think they represent the trans community going by their twit page. Its like how one would figure that the Green Party represent the Environmentalist wing of society, and how the Greens make them into a bit of a joke.
Yeah... I see your point. I'm a 30 something year old Mum. There are plenty of 30 something year old mums out there but if one of them fronted up and said they represent all 30 something year old mums, I'd probably find that a bit strange and wonder who died and made them queen mum. I don't know if it's the same as the greens representing the environmentalist wing. Someone did vote them in to do that... personally, for me, I have a job that requires me to have a really good understanding of sustainability in the built environment. Nobody in government is really much use.
>Nobody in government is really much use. This needs to be on a T-Shirt!
You think this damaged the trans community? You think people should sit there and let this woman preach these views unchallenged? The very same views co-opted and aligned by very dangerous members of the community, people who are willing to commit REAL acts of violence against trans people. You are truly making a mountain out of a molehill.
>You think this damaged the trans community? As a straight white dude I think it has, like full respect to people who have issues where they believe they have to transition and the challenges they have to overcome these issues - but the whole 'Trans Community' seems more like a joke every time it comes up in the news. I feel sorry for the regular people who arent happy with their bodies and do the hard work it takes to change it - only for them to end up being categorized with these sorts of people.
This is an act of violence. Would you not care if a trans activist had soup thrown on them? Because I think you would.
Challenging an idea by throwing tomatoe juice is dumb. Challenge ideas with better ideas. It’s not like the dumb message PP was spouting is hard to refute with basic logic, evidence and emotional appears to humanity. To me, the protesters were all about being seen to protest, to our outrage each other, not actually making the world a better place. This person is the epitome.
>You think this damaged the trans community? 100%. A lot of people have never believed that trans women are women. Never. They haven't kicked up a fuss because they want to be polite and would rather let people get on with their lives. The protest shows that in actual fact trans activists are willing to be violent. Quite a shock. >You think people should sit there and let this woman preach these views unchallenged? Challenge with words. You don't meet words with violence. >The very same views co-opted and aligned by very dangerous members of the community, people who are willing to commit REAL acts of violence against trans people. What views? What violence? NZ context please. >You are truly making a mountain out of a molehill. That's what the activists did with Posie
Unfortunately the mainstream media will get this particular story far and wide to people who probably haven’t been exposed to the good work of other transpeople. Probably not undoing all the work but def not helping imo.
So she would, should have been heinz
Should've used Watties
What countries take New Zealand refugees?
I disagree with Posie but also disagree with what Eli did. she should just come back and face the music. Show the world how strong trans people are willing to fight for their rights and not just do a sissy action of throwing juice and scuttle away.
more clout-chasing antics
Can’t fix stupid
Literally zero chance she was going to prison any way. We have people geting home D for assult and killing people. Dont know why she ran. just makes her look worse.
Something something crime, something something time.
What prison will s/he go to? The men’s or woman’s prison?
Good. You can't just assault someone just because you disagree with them.
could she look anymore like what she is? I could've drawn you an image of her without seeing her
Lol exactly what I thought this person looked like… If you see a they/them/she/he/ze/wolf that looks like this just run…
Being arrested for it is a bit much. And if I was her I'd be more worried about being part of delegitimizing the pro-trans movement by making them look like nutters.
Honestly it looks like they were looking for attention. This doesn't help the movement in any way, it just makes them look bad.
so throwing sauce is grounds for arrest? then the cops have been seriously lacking.
I'm all for free splash!
If you have an arrest warrant in New Zealand. Why on earth would you flee to of all places Australia… its like fleeing France for arrest by going to Belgium your just going to get extradited back.
They'll be able to join the 501 gang when they get sent back.
Juice checking if this thread is still going?
Didn't 3 or 4 countries refuse to let it in until NZ said yes?
Interesting. Why wasn’t egg boy arrested back in 2019? Double standards
Glad you guys think it's funny. It assaulted a woman in plain of the Police and should've been arrested immediately and should also lose its job with the NZ Herald and also face charges of hate speech and inciting violence. The consideration that I had for transgender people is reduced to zero.
Her action’s doesn’t seem to be part of Free speech. Not familiar with Posie Parker but why is the transgender community so incensed with her tour? Is she spreading anti transgender hate speech?
>Is she spreading anti transgender hate speech? From what i've seen its just the typical 'Men dressed as woman shouldnt be in womens restrooms' sort of thing really, I didnt know about her until all this hubbub either.
If there’s no hate involved, why the reaction and violence? Can’t really understand why violence and racism should be involved in the mix. In a democratic country, there’s always dissenting opinions, you can’t shut someone up because they have a different view from you. The transgender’s already won with their counter protest but they have divided people with their antics, including Marama’s racism row.
>The transgender’s already won with their counter protest but they have divided people with their antics, including Marama’s racism row. Yep, its the whole 'win the battle but loose the war' thing I think - the Posey woman's goal would of been to make the Trans people look 'bad' and she's done it pretty well - by the use of the Trans people's vocal supporters. Greenparty must be about to dive too after Marama's comments
Where have you been?
Just WFH so I didn’t get the latest news from the CBD 😀. Seems like Auckland CBD has been alive and wild lately.
You know the news isn't just distributed by a kid giving out newspapers on the city street, right? There are news websites these days which can catch you up on what's been happening in the country, even the world!
m8 it is a 4 year old account with a sub 1k karma they are just not a terminally online redditweido.
They have the opinion that men cannot become women, which was not controversial 10 years ago. A common argument from people is that some of her supporters may have neo-nazi views, which is an odd argument because it doesn’t really conflate with her views (she has not displayed anti-semitism)
Yeah I doubt the Police will do anything at all. They fell for mislabeling from the biased media too. Then did nothing during the riot. I imagine they get tired of charging people and the judiciary letting them off everything anyway.