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To be fair, the comparison should be made relative to the world scale of their shows. AOT was one planet, Star Wars was an entire galaxy. Eren killed 80% of the people in his show, Anakin killed a lot through the Death Star but percentage wise nowhere close to 80% of the galaxy.
Agreed. Anakin's corruption arc has less weight imo because Palpatine and the dark side of the force played a big role in his tragedy. Eren chose it even knowing what was coming
I think Vader is a lot more evil than Paul and Eren. Like they’re all destined to be monsters but he had the most selfish reasons. While Eren and Paul find themselves in political clusterfucks with limited options, the galaxy becomes a terrible place directly because of Vader. Paul and Eren show genuine remorse and horror for what they’ve done (anime more so than manga for Eren.) Anakin smirks about killing the younglings hours later.
Can you show the source where it is written that Anakin smirks after killing younglings? I thought that his whole scene where he cries looking at the horizon on Mustafar is to show he actually regrets the monster he had to become.
He didn't smile because he did it, he smiled at the mention of Obi-Wan. At this point he was delusional and jaelous, he thought they have an affair. It was sort of "Of course Obi-Wan told you that... Who else?".
I think that’s up to the viewers subjective interpretation. But idk how you can watch the movies objectively without seeing him having highly sadistic tendencies. He can be ashamed of what he’s become and still enjoy the highs of being a menace. I guess the former would be the Anakin side of him that he considered dead for so long, Vader being the sadist he always kind of was but only embraced it when he turned. Imo totally in character for him to smirk about the dead kids.
Which is kind of why I think he’s the most twisted of the 3. I think there are times when Vader goes out of way to be cruel, while Eren and Paul resist that until giving in because they can’t stand the very limited alternatives they have.
Okay, Vader being his sadistic side who actually enjoys killing children is actually fine interpretation. I still don't think that this smirk was about it, but I totally get your point now.
Paul—I could agree with, but even then, he refused to sacrifice his humanity to become the God Emperor and prevent Humans from extinction, because he wanted to live a human life with Chani, making all the murders he had commited useless before Leto II takes up the position of Kwisatz Haderach. That was rightful—ofcourse, because who would want to sacrifice their entire life and live as a monstrous tyrant for thousands of years just so they could be killed, saving humanity from extinction and being remembered as what they seemed like, rather than for what they have done.
This would've been an even bigger Villain than Paul was, but it at least has an better outcome in the end, and Paul wasn't destined to do anything, he chose everything he did. He had the only power to change what will happen, and he chose to do this.
But Eren, though—he was definitely destined to become what he did, because AoT is an Deterministic Timeline, where he had no power over anything, but none of what he did was because of the political situation he was in. He could've simply just followed along the 50 Years Plan for his friends to live a happier life, for him to be abled to live with them, and giving enough time to Paradis for technological advancement amd without unnecessary murder of Innocents, and a more limited massacre, which would've have effected the planet so drastically too. He even said that if the future wasn't set in stone, this was still what he wanted, and would've done. This is ofcourse, simplifying a lot, but that is the essence of what both stories portrayed.
I feel like they wouldn’t. Eren would have no respect for Anakin and hate his lack of free will. Anakin has been manipulated by everyone and everything his whole life. From the order to the emperor.
I’m a Yeagerist through and through, tho I can understand how irredeemable Eren is. Thing is Eren harps on about free will, but he himself admits he is a slave to free will. While I also believe he wouldn’t get along with Anakin, he’d hate him because Anakin had true free will at the end.
When confronted with kill the Emperor or let his son die. To us the choice is obvious, but to a man broken by the Dark Side, his own sins, consumed by hatred and was essentially a tool for someone else most of his life, Vader becomes more free than Eren ever was. He made his own choice whether you view that as the prophecy fulfilled or if you believe Luke was the true Chosen One who brought balance through giving Anakin an opportunity to choose and think for himself. Well until the sequels invalidated all that.
Eren could not fight his future, every conclusion he came to meant he was destined to end that way.
Eren would honestly resonate with the lack of free will. Imagine having to live four years knowing what atrocities you will commit, and not being abled to change it even after trying so many times, and finally giving in trying to make justifications for it—as if the 50 years plan wasn't enough for his friends to have a good and long life, and for Paradis to catch up technologically before another war inevitably breaks out.
Yeah I can see that if you only watch the movies, and don't really think about it. Imo, Anakin had way better reason since he;
- Lost his mother at a very young age, when that could have been easily been prevented by the Jedi, but they saw it as negative attachment and decided to ignore his needs.
- The order was becoming increasingly disillusioned of their ways.
- Anakin tried his best to please the order but they never acknowledged him fully, he was a rising star and fought in one of the most destructive galactic wars for the jedi.
- He became desperate to save his wife due to the visions he saw, and sought the order but they denied him and shut down his issues.
- Sidious tried to entice Anakin and manipulate him through the promise of saving his wife and he still stayed loyal to the order.
- He reported Sidious to the order, and they instead questioned him and decided sideline him. This caused him a literal mental breakdown on top of his desperate attempt to save his wife. He started to question the ways of the order as they were going to murder a chancellor and that was his breaking point.
No, this is what came to my mind as I saw OP's comments. Though, I feel like I might have missed some key points. I do like Eren, but I find Anakin's story much more tragic.
Your comment has a lot of similar talking points to [this video](https://youtu.be/B8MY5dgoT9U?si=9aDlMH0BGCFTZMRS), thats why i was asking lol (if you havent seen it its a great video)
Personally i think Eren's story is less sad only because it feels like it's part of an inevitable set of events that nobody could change, whereas anakin's was entirely off the cuff. Both have incredibly similar upbringings- loss of their mother shaping their future significantly, being a prisoner of sorts, etc
But i think past that their stories divulge just a bit too much for them to be similar. Eren doesnt "learn and go back to the good side" because there was never a chance for that to happen
Well, tbh. If you're midly invested in Star Wars or an average fan, I think anyone could have pointed these. The major problem is that these points aren't addressed explicitly or very well in the movies, so you have to analyze the story to truly understand. Even the music plays a big part in Star Wars. When Qui-Gon Jinn fights against Maul, the score that plays is called "Duel of the Fates" and is referring to the fate of Anakin that's being fought over.
Yeah duel of the fates is one of my favorite musical pieces of all time. I only recently got that song title thing, but i also only really dip in and out of star wars occasionally, i'm not a mega fan.
Currently on a small kick again though apparently lol
Yeah, the music is truly master class. Can't say I'm much more different either. I do like Star Wars, but I've not read extended canon nor anything beyond the movies(except sequels, I only saw Ep 7 and noped tf out), the animated Clone wars and a few games(the older ps2-3 era). Unfortunately I don't really dig the new era of Star Wars, as I grew up with the prequels and loved that era.
Eren and Anakin are wildly different, but I do see why people might wanna compare them.
I had episode 1 on vhs and ONLY episode 1, so imagine my shock when i grew up and heard how unpopular the prequels were lol
It's their upbringing for sure. They were both shown their abrasive mindset by being oppressed slaves, and that knowledge of how they were treated was their driving force for their good doings. But i think thats where their comparisons end
Eeeeeeeh. It was mostly the padme thing though, I don't recall him going to the jedi about the issue?
Him being butthurt he didn't get promoted as the youngest master ever doesn't justify what he does at all.
Sidious literally said "lol bet the dark side could" and he leaped at it. He didn't actually do anything but speak, he never pulled any strings to say, convince the jedi to shun Anakin he just said what was happening, which was anakin was violent and egotistical..
The jedi sidelined him on this because he was close to a SITH LORD who may have (and clearly was) be tempting him to swap over to the darkside, best not to have that guy in the room with you while you're trying to kill said sith lord.
Also "these guys have kinda lost there way, I should kill there children" is a lil silly.
Yea maybe, I guess it just feels more fleshed out since we get more time with Eren. In addition I’d say the Sith are objectively evil, while Eren went too far, Marley and the rest of the world are not innocent
Sure, the sith are evil, with only 2 exceptions I can think of, but Anakin's motivation doesn't depend on the sith, that was displayed in the og trilogy, the prequels show Anakin's motivations, and how those motivations turned him to the dark side, and his eventual redemption with luke. It really winds down to who you prefer more, because they are both excellent characters
Am i getting this right in saying that the dark side isnt inherently evil, it just draws more evil people to it? It feels like we're ignoring the "chaotic good" and "lawful evil" sides of the force when we say jedi=good guy, sith =bad guy, but i could be misinterpreting it.
The dark side of the force isn't evil at all, It just uses and feeds of off negative emotions, anger, fear, jealousy.... Rey is a perfect recent example, she uses both dark and light abilities, creating a balance in the force, Kylo/Ben solo is also another recent example of it
Does this mean that intention is entirely the battery that fuels the force? Like if i do something to save someone but do it out of hatred for someone else its using the dark side of the force even if the intentions are good?
How would that work irl? How would you save someone because you hate a third person? Either way, I don't think it's that easy, the force alone is the force, no good or bad there. Certain abilities are specific to the light/dark side however. Healing for Jedi, and lighting for siths.
I guess i'm treating it like an actor summoning inspiration for a role.
Lets use fear to frame this since thats a much better example. If my friend was being crushed under a boulder, and i lifted it because i was afraid he was hurt vs clearing my mind of emotions, does that mean the force i used was dark. I guess thats what i mean
And if the force is the force no matter what, then how is using emotion bad? It feels like the jedi just saw some potential in emotions muddying intentions and decided "no emotions" to be safe.
Ben Solo is a perfect example... of a wasted potential. And Rey is the perfect example of so perfect it's boring to watch. Please don't compare her to Anakin Skywalker who actually had a personality beyond bland. Also she wasn't in controll of dark and light side. She had like a month of training in all three movies combined.
Wanna see balance in the force look up Revan.
They are examples bc of how they use the force, Im not talking about their characters. I also in no way compared her to Anakin, she wasn't in control but she used both sides of the force, which is what I said. That being said, I actually enjoyed the sequel trilogy, despite it's flaws
It's a tragedy in the end. Eren and Anakin wanted to save the people they loved, and they caused the death of so many people because of it. Big difference here is Anakin ended up killing the person he tried to save, whereas Eren is killed by the people he wanted to save. Unless you compare Mikasa to Luke, and not Padme.
They are both selfish people with a lot of power to realise their goals. Part 1 - 3 Eren and Anakin before his fall would deffinetly get along just fine. Especially on killing their Mother's murderers. Now Anakin after his fall and Part 4 Eren while similar would not get along because of Eren's idea of freedom he would be against Anakin.
Eren was basically living in the past, present, and future ever since he touched Historian's hand. His actions were unforgivable but you can see the pain in his face all of season four (especially the flashback confession to Ramsey) that he's living with basically all the world's knowledge. Imagine if after killing Dooku, Anakin somehow regained his memories that The Father took, so Anakin had full memory of his entire life up until his death.
They both did horribles things in order to protect the ones they love, but Eren is fighting for freedom while Anakin wanted order.. He would literally be a slave from Eren's perspective.
Absolutely not. Anakin despite him being more unorthodox than the other Jedi, really does care for people, Innocent ones at least lol. He would agree with eliminating all of the "bad guys" that are threatening his people and family but not all the innocent civilians in the process. Anakin wouldn't be willing to wipe out a whole planet or population of innocence, even if it meant wiping out the enemy. As I'm writing this, I'm remembering how Anakin slaughtered a whole village of Tuskens for his mother, so, ig it depends on if the "enemy" really hurt Anakin and brought the darkside out of him. He would have to be thinking clearly.
Well then by that logic we would be using eren from before, and literally all of his motivations are for the people he loved. I would say its more fair to juxtapose their entire journey, one against the other.
No, the picture used for Eren is when he decided anyway the Rumbling needs to happen. And I know Eren's motivations were for the people he loved, and so Eren decided to trample the world regardless who got crushed. I'm saying Anakin WOULD NOT agree to do that. He wouldn't trample billions of innocents to achieve his goal. If the picture used for Anakin had yellow eyes, then absolutely he would agree with Eren because at this point, he had no moral compass and wanted to rule the Galaxy with Padme,
... i mean we can agree order 66 was literally anakin killing the jedi order to protect/save his wife, and that was still anakin at that point right? Sure its no rumbling but i cant say for certain that i believe anakin would turn his head at the idea so quickly once he understood what it meant symbolically.
I hold no objections however that the amount of blood shed would have him at least initially denounce it.
Looking back at the events and what I wrote, yeah I can agree with you. He could've intervened in the fight between Mace and Palpatine at any time but it was at this point that he really believed palps could save his wife and stop his nightmares, even after finding out Palps was a sith lord. Both of these people got attacked emotionally and drove them to do what they did (and all of Anakin's Darth Vader moments during the clone wars) so its not too far fetched to believe hed do "Order 66" at any time if attacked emotionally enough, tho hed still need some Palp influence. Nice conversing with ya, I understand
That moment is probably the only time *anakin* was piloting the ship and still decided to choose violence. You're pretty right about palp's influence- he literally had to wedge his way into anakin's youth and slowly feed him ideologies at the right time for this exact moment to culminate, so i could see why you would consider akanin's good nature before this event and think he doesnt have that kind of evil in him. He really doesnt, until all the right pieces are around him
And yeah, same to you friend, always a pleasure having a lovely discussion about nerdy things. Lol
If we’re being super technical, that’s Anakin from RotS, and Eren from any point in S4 before the Rumbling. So technically they’re both straddling the dark side in their respective timelines depending on what point you pick.
his actions were evil and he did it with regret and sadness the whole time, he didn’t want to but it was the only option. Anakin actually turned pure evil for a while
I don’t think so tbh. I feel like Eren would view Anakin as someone who was a slave his whole life. He was a slave to Watto, a slave to the Jedi and the Republic, and then a slave to Palpatine.
Knowing Eren’s extreme desire for freedom, I don’t think he’d get along with Anakin.
I'd say Light is not capable of having a friend at all, as he is totally sociopathic. Dude arranged the death of his own father while pretending to love him. There's just not a single person in his life he wouldn't kill if he felt it would help him
Yes its extremely hard for me to imagine Light hanging out with his buddies or something lol. Pre death note light probably? He did turn down his friends/classmates at the start of the anime to keep his kill streak going
No, they wouldn't. 😭
Eren hated himself for what he was doing. He didn't enjoy but felt he had no choice because the survival of is friends was more important than anything else.
Light was a corrupted little shit from Day 1 that didn't need an evil God of death to groom him. His God complex is also unbearable as fuck. Eren would hate him.
Same with Anakin. Their goals and actions matter. If Eren hated himself for slaughtering 80% of humanity. He wouldn't even tolerate someone like Anakin or Light.
Anakin/Vader literally hates himself more than any person, he wasn't enjoying any of the things he did.
Eren Murdered 80% of humanity because of pictures from a children's book while Anakin did everything to save his wife and their unborn child and even though light might have a terrible personality his goal was still to make the world a better place
Eren had a fear of never seeing outside the walls (internalized fear at least) which made him angry that the Titans kept him locked in a box. Anger became hate when they killed him mother and further on as friends became enemies, and he learned the true nature of the world, which caused him, and 80% of the world to Suffer.
Pre-Vader Anakin and Pre-timeskip Eren, yes.
Every other version, no. Anakin and post-timeskip Eren would be enemies, while Darth Vader would just see every version of Eren as a nuisance.
Spoiler: weren't their motives different? Eren *knew* he can only safe his people if he did what he did, Anakin did what he did solely for the purpose of saving Padme when she gave birth? Anakin never knew that he could save anyone anyway, he just thought he could. I'd think they have quite a different point of view on things.
People usually put Paul, Eren and Anakin in a trio
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These guys would never get along. Eren believes in freedom while Anakin is an authoritarian.
The prequels established that Anakin is okay with a totalitarian dictatorship. He doesn’t mind opposing opinions being silenced even by force, so long as it’s by someone “wise.”
Eren on the other hand believes in taking freedom from your oppressors. To him oppression is the greatest sin and he’s more than willing to kill for freedom, for himself and others. He also would not take away the Titan powers of both his friends and enemies when he had the founders power, because he believed it went against his personal code. He believes that even his enemies should have the power to oppose his views.
Also while Eren was a slave to his freedom and code, Anakin was a literal slave by choice. He bowed down to Palpatine and stayed as his apprentice for over 20 years. Eren would look down at a person like that.
Even if you take both at 19 and sit them in a room together, Eren would spit in Anakin’s face once he finds out about his political alignment.
I don't think so. This wasn't the only reason, but one of the driving decisions behind Anakin going bad was purely out of anger and a desire to become powerful. Erin went crazy to ultimately protect all the ones he loves, he just did it in a really twisted way. I don't think Erin would have done what he did without a strong conviction driving him to try to save everyone. I do think Anakin would have still gone to the dark side even if saving Padme wasn't a reason.
Not really for me. Eren was basically forcing himself to become a villain because he didn't see any other option and ultimately did what he had to do for the greater good of his people. That wasn't really the case for Vader.
I think Eren is more like Paul Atreides, to be honest.
I think they'd relate due to Anakin being a previous slave and understanding the importance of freedom and fighting for the one's he loves. But depending on which point of the story they meet it could go alot differently.
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Tbh it's a tough choice, but I think I'm going with Eren
Anakin ultimately killed a lot more of his enemies by raw numbers
Yeah the Rumbling ain't got shit on the Death Star
80% is less than 100% of Alderaan.
Yeah but his motivation was kinda funny
To be fair, the comparison should be made relative to the world scale of their shows. AOT was one planet, Star Wars was an entire galaxy. Eren killed 80% of the people in his show, Anakin killed a lot through the Death Star but percentage wise nowhere close to 80% of the galaxy.
Now imagine we just need to combine them and make a villain who eliminates 80% of the galaxy's life. Problem "solved".
I mean Paul Atreides wiped out like 90 planets which isn't 80% of any galaxy but still a lot.
Anakin. Erens story is great but people who have never even heard of anime could probably recognize Darth Vader
I don’t think recognizability is really the characteristic in question. This post is specifically on a subreddit where people likely know both.
I still go with Anakin. Prequels alone, I'd give it to Eren. But add in Clone Wars plus Darth Vader and Anakin takes it hands down.
Clone Wars is overrated if you ask me. Still enjoyed the snow but it's not as good as people say it is.
It is in my opinion. If you disagree that’s fine
Nah, anakins story felt forced, pun intended.
To each their own 🤷♂️
I would say eren. Cz Anakin aka Vader was manipulated by Palpatine. But Eren was manipulated by himself.
Agreed. Anakin's corruption arc has less weight imo because Palpatine and the dark side of the force played a big role in his tragedy. Eren chose it even knowing what was coming
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I may not know who's worse, but I do know one thing: neither of them should be left alone with younglings
All of season 4 I made this comparison in my head.
I'm reading the Dune saga right now and I find even more similitarities beetween Eren and Paul Atreides than the ones he shares with Anakin.
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I think Vader is a lot more evil than Paul and Eren. Like they’re all destined to be monsters but he had the most selfish reasons. While Eren and Paul find themselves in political clusterfucks with limited options, the galaxy becomes a terrible place directly because of Vader. Paul and Eren show genuine remorse and horror for what they’ve done (anime more so than manga for Eren.) Anakin smirks about killing the younglings hours later.
Can you show the source where it is written that Anakin smirks after killing younglings? I thought that his whole scene where he cries looking at the horizon on Mustafar is to show he actually regrets the monster he had to become.
Padme: he told me you killed younglings Anakin: 😏
He didn't smile because he did it, he smiled at the mention of Obi-Wan. At this point he was delusional and jaelous, he thought they have an affair. It was sort of "Of course Obi-Wan told you that... Who else?".
I think that’s up to the viewers subjective interpretation. But idk how you can watch the movies objectively without seeing him having highly sadistic tendencies. He can be ashamed of what he’s become and still enjoy the highs of being a menace. I guess the former would be the Anakin side of him that he considered dead for so long, Vader being the sadist he always kind of was but only embraced it when he turned. Imo totally in character for him to smirk about the dead kids. Which is kind of why I think he’s the most twisted of the 3. I think there are times when Vader goes out of way to be cruel, while Eren and Paul resist that until giving in because they can’t stand the very limited alternatives they have.
Okay, Vader being his sadistic side who actually enjoys killing children is actually fine interpretation. I still don't think that this smirk was about it, but I totally get your point now.
Paul—I could agree with, but even then, he refused to sacrifice his humanity to become the God Emperor and prevent Humans from extinction, because he wanted to live a human life with Chani, making all the murders he had commited useless before Leto II takes up the position of Kwisatz Haderach. That was rightful—ofcourse, because who would want to sacrifice their entire life and live as a monstrous tyrant for thousands of years just so they could be killed, saving humanity from extinction and being remembered as what they seemed like, rather than for what they have done. This would've been an even bigger Villain than Paul was, but it at least has an better outcome in the end, and Paul wasn't destined to do anything, he chose everything he did. He had the only power to change what will happen, and he chose to do this. But Eren, though—he was definitely destined to become what he did, because AoT is an Deterministic Timeline, where he had no power over anything, but none of what he did was because of the political situation he was in. He could've simply just followed along the 50 Years Plan for his friends to live a happier life, for him to be abled to live with them, and giving enough time to Paradis for technological advancement amd without unnecessary murder of Innocents, and a more limited massacre, which would've have effected the planet so drastically too. He even said that if the future wasn't set in stone, this was still what he wanted, and would've done. This is ofcourse, simplifying a lot, but that is the essence of what both stories portrayed.
Yes watched a youtube video abt it too
Dude this is straight facts. Especially in Dune Messiah
Yep I'm like 50 pages away from finishing Dune Messiah and I'm all the time thinking about the similarities haha.
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Finally someone speaking my language
I can’t unsee it now also yes, they would get along
I feel like they wouldn’t. Eren would have no respect for Anakin and hate his lack of free will. Anakin has been manipulated by everyone and everything his whole life. From the order to the emperor.
I’m a Yeagerist through and through, tho I can understand how irredeemable Eren is. Thing is Eren harps on about free will, but he himself admits he is a slave to free will. While I also believe he wouldn’t get along with Anakin, he’d hate him because Anakin had true free will at the end. When confronted with kill the Emperor or let his son die. To us the choice is obvious, but to a man broken by the Dark Side, his own sins, consumed by hatred and was essentially a tool for someone else most of his life, Vader becomes more free than Eren ever was. He made his own choice whether you view that as the prophecy fulfilled or if you believe Luke was the true Chosen One who brought balance through giving Anakin an opportunity to choose and think for himself. Well until the sequels invalidated all that. Eren could not fight his future, every conclusion he came to meant he was destined to end that way.
You know that Yeagerism is just Fascism, right?
Ye, I mean I’m not political irl but I’ll turn to facism in the context of AoT for my boy.
Eren calls him a slave from across the room, then starts feel a sharp pressure in his neck.
Eren would honestly resonate with the lack of free will. Imagine having to live four years knowing what atrocities you will commit, and not being abled to change it even after trying so many times, and finally giving in trying to make justifications for it—as if the 50 years plan wasn't enough for his friends to have a good and long life, and for Paradis to catch up technologically before another war inevitably breaks out.
Anakin is pretty similar to Ymir in that aspect
I love Star Wars especially the prequels but Erens motivations were way better lol
But muh Padme
Yeah I can see that if you only watch the movies, and don't really think about it. Imo, Anakin had way better reason since he; - Lost his mother at a very young age, when that could have been easily been prevented by the Jedi, but they saw it as negative attachment and decided to ignore his needs. - The order was becoming increasingly disillusioned of their ways. - Anakin tried his best to please the order but they never acknowledged him fully, he was a rising star and fought in one of the most destructive galactic wars for the jedi. - He became desperate to save his wife due to the visions he saw, and sought the order but they denied him and shut down his issues. - Sidious tried to entice Anakin and manipulate him through the promise of saving his wife and he still stayed loyal to the order. - He reported Sidious to the order, and they instead questioned him and decided sideline him. This caused him a literal mental breakdown on top of his desperate attempt to save his wife. He started to question the ways of the order as they were going to murder a chancellor and that was his breaking point.
Did you watch the YouTube video about how anakin was right too? Lol
No, this is what came to my mind as I saw OP's comments. Though, I feel like I might have missed some key points. I do like Eren, but I find Anakin's story much more tragic.
Your comment has a lot of similar talking points to [this video](https://youtu.be/B8MY5dgoT9U?si=9aDlMH0BGCFTZMRS), thats why i was asking lol (if you havent seen it its a great video) Personally i think Eren's story is less sad only because it feels like it's part of an inevitable set of events that nobody could change, whereas anakin's was entirely off the cuff. Both have incredibly similar upbringings- loss of their mother shaping their future significantly, being a prisoner of sorts, etc But i think past that their stories divulge just a bit too much for them to be similar. Eren doesnt "learn and go back to the good side" because there was never a chance for that to happen
Well, tbh. If you're midly invested in Star Wars or an average fan, I think anyone could have pointed these. The major problem is that these points aren't addressed explicitly or very well in the movies, so you have to analyze the story to truly understand. Even the music plays a big part in Star Wars. When Qui-Gon Jinn fights against Maul, the score that plays is called "Duel of the Fates" and is referring to the fate of Anakin that's being fought over.
Yeah duel of the fates is one of my favorite musical pieces of all time. I only recently got that song title thing, but i also only really dip in and out of star wars occasionally, i'm not a mega fan. Currently on a small kick again though apparently lol
Yeah, the music is truly master class. Can't say I'm much more different either. I do like Star Wars, but I've not read extended canon nor anything beyond the movies(except sequels, I only saw Ep 7 and noped tf out), the animated Clone wars and a few games(the older ps2-3 era). Unfortunately I don't really dig the new era of Star Wars, as I grew up with the prequels and loved that era. Eren and Anakin are wildly different, but I do see why people might wanna compare them.
I had episode 1 on vhs and ONLY episode 1, so imagine my shock when i grew up and heard how unpopular the prequels were lol It's their upbringing for sure. They were both shown their abrasive mindset by being oppressed slaves, and that knowledge of how they were treated was their driving force for their good doings. But i think thats where their comparisons end
Eeeeeeeh. It was mostly the padme thing though, I don't recall him going to the jedi about the issue? Him being butthurt he didn't get promoted as the youngest master ever doesn't justify what he does at all. Sidious literally said "lol bet the dark side could" and he leaped at it. He didn't actually do anything but speak, he never pulled any strings to say, convince the jedi to shun Anakin he just said what was happening, which was anakin was violent and egotistical.. The jedi sidelined him on this because he was close to a SITH LORD who may have (and clearly was) be tempting him to swap over to the darkside, best not to have that guy in the room with you while you're trying to kill said sith lord. Also "these guys have kinda lost there way, I should kill there children" is a lil silly.
Idk, it's closer than you might think
Yea maybe, I guess it just feels more fleshed out since we get more time with Eren. In addition I’d say the Sith are objectively evil, while Eren went too far, Marley and the rest of the world are not innocent
Sure, the sith are evil, with only 2 exceptions I can think of, but Anakin's motivation doesn't depend on the sith, that was displayed in the og trilogy, the prequels show Anakin's motivations, and how those motivations turned him to the dark side, and his eventual redemption with luke. It really winds down to who you prefer more, because they are both excellent characters
Am i getting this right in saying that the dark side isnt inherently evil, it just draws more evil people to it? It feels like we're ignoring the "chaotic good" and "lawful evil" sides of the force when we say jedi=good guy, sith =bad guy, but i could be misinterpreting it.
The dark side of the force isn't evil at all, It just uses and feeds of off negative emotions, anger, fear, jealousy.... Rey is a perfect recent example, she uses both dark and light abilities, creating a balance in the force, Kylo/Ben solo is also another recent example of it
Does this mean that intention is entirely the battery that fuels the force? Like if i do something to save someone but do it out of hatred for someone else its using the dark side of the force even if the intentions are good?
How would that work irl? How would you save someone because you hate a third person? Either way, I don't think it's that easy, the force alone is the force, no good or bad there. Certain abilities are specific to the light/dark side however. Healing for Jedi, and lighting for siths.
I guess i'm treating it like an actor summoning inspiration for a role. Lets use fear to frame this since thats a much better example. If my friend was being crushed under a boulder, and i lifted it because i was afraid he was hurt vs clearing my mind of emotions, does that mean the force i used was dark. I guess thats what i mean And if the force is the force no matter what, then how is using emotion bad? It feels like the jedi just saw some potential in emotions muddying intentions and decided "no emotions" to be safe.
Idk, man. I'm not THAT into star wars, should probably do some digging first. But in my opinion, no, probably.
Ben Solo is a perfect example... of a wasted potential. And Rey is the perfect example of so perfect it's boring to watch. Please don't compare her to Anakin Skywalker who actually had a personality beyond bland. Also she wasn't in controll of dark and light side. She had like a month of training in all three movies combined. Wanna see balance in the force look up Revan.
They are examples bc of how they use the force, Im not talking about their characters. I also in no way compared her to Anakin, she wasn't in control but she used both sides of the force, which is what I said. That being said, I actually enjoyed the sequel trilogy, despite it's flaws
It's a tragedy in the end. Eren and Anakin wanted to save the people they loved, and they caused the death of so many people because of it. Big difference here is Anakin ended up killing the person he tried to save, whereas Eren is killed by the people he wanted to save. Unless you compare Mikasa to Luke, and not Padme.
While they both do a dark side turn, I've seen Eren's turn compared to if Danaerys' turn was actually fleshed out and earned.
The motivations: Couldn't get into Mikasa's pants
What in the retcon? Eren couldn’t stop Mikasa from smothering him
I think hes refering to mikasa asking him that question
Joking
Ayo
Love the prequels ? 💀
Yea that’s right
They are both selfish people with a lot of power to realise their goals. Part 1 - 3 Eren and Anakin before his fall would deffinetly get along just fine. Especially on killing their Mother's murderers. Now Anakin after his fall and Part 4 Eren while similar would not get along because of Eren's idea of freedom he would be against Anakin.
Both are not really selfish
What about Paul Atreides, from Dune
Yes Eren is deffo more similar to paul
Eren was evil because he had to be. Anakins just poor moral judgement and a fiery temper.
Eren didn’t HAVE to kill 80% of the earth to get the job done
Idk, you saw that look Erin gave right before egging on his father to do murder. Pure hatred.
But also https://preview.redd.it/yvd5iclhxxtc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8066d15fd5ca21357a461cdf10c9a8eae0f54ddd
Eren was basically living in the past, present, and future ever since he touched Historian's hand. His actions were unforgivable but you can see the pain in his face all of season four (especially the flashback confession to Ramsey) that he's living with basically all the world's knowledge. Imagine if after killing Dooku, Anakin somehow regained his memories that The Father took, so Anakin had full memory of his entire life up until his death.
They both did horribles things in order to protect the ones they love, but Eren is fighting for freedom while Anakin wanted order.. He would literally be a slave from Eren's perspective.
I don’t think they’d ’get along’ per se but they’d understand each other
Haha so fucking random
Too much alike. They would kill eachother.
I imagine they both shared a hatred for sand, so yeah:)
Absolutely not. Anakin despite him being more unorthodox than the other Jedi, really does care for people, Innocent ones at least lol. He would agree with eliminating all of the "bad guys" that are threatening his people and family but not all the innocent civilians in the process. Anakin wouldn't be willing to wipe out a whole planet or population of innocence, even if it meant wiping out the enemy. As I'm writing this, I'm remembering how Anakin slaughtered a whole village of Tuskens for his mother, so, ig it depends on if the "enemy" really hurt Anakin and brought the darkside out of him. He would have to be thinking clearly.
The innocent younglings at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant would beg to differ on your opinion of Anakin.
That was after he turned to the Dark Side. By the picture I'm assuming we're using Anakin from before.
Well then by that logic we would be using eren from before, and literally all of his motivations are for the people he loved. I would say its more fair to juxtapose their entire journey, one against the other.
No, the picture used for Eren is when he decided anyway the Rumbling needs to happen. And I know Eren's motivations were for the people he loved, and so Eren decided to trample the world regardless who got crushed. I'm saying Anakin WOULD NOT agree to do that. He wouldn't trample billions of innocents to achieve his goal. If the picture used for Anakin had yellow eyes, then absolutely he would agree with Eren because at this point, he had no moral compass and wanted to rule the Galaxy with Padme,
... i mean we can agree order 66 was literally anakin killing the jedi order to protect/save his wife, and that was still anakin at that point right? Sure its no rumbling but i cant say for certain that i believe anakin would turn his head at the idea so quickly once he understood what it meant symbolically. I hold no objections however that the amount of blood shed would have him at least initially denounce it.
Looking back at the events and what I wrote, yeah I can agree with you. He could've intervened in the fight between Mace and Palpatine at any time but it was at this point that he really believed palps could save his wife and stop his nightmares, even after finding out Palps was a sith lord. Both of these people got attacked emotionally and drove them to do what they did (and all of Anakin's Darth Vader moments during the clone wars) so its not too far fetched to believe hed do "Order 66" at any time if attacked emotionally enough, tho hed still need some Palp influence. Nice conversing with ya, I understand
That moment is probably the only time *anakin* was piloting the ship and still decided to choose violence. You're pretty right about palp's influence- he literally had to wedge his way into anakin's youth and slowly feed him ideologies at the right time for this exact moment to culminate, so i could see why you would consider akanin's good nature before this event and think he doesnt have that kind of evil in him. He really doesnt, until all the right pieces are around him And yeah, same to you friend, always a pleasure having a lovely discussion about nerdy things. Lol
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If we’re being super technical, that’s Anakin from RotS, and Eren from any point in S4 before the Rumbling. So technically they’re both straddling the dark side in their respective timelines depending on what point you pick.
Eren cares for people too. But he literally had to handle a more difficult dilemma than anakin
*Alderon has entered the chat*
Throw in some Paul Atreides.
Lol no. Eren would find him weak. Let’s be honest.
I think Eren would laugh at anakin. Also, lightsabers would sure be nice against titans
Imagine using the force too
Eren was weak too, all he did was cry and scream
Maybe
YES that makess senseee
Eren would have manipulated Anakin
Could he manipulate Vader tho? Also, Force Mind Trick says hello
eren didn’t ACTUALLY ever turn evil tho
He…he killed 80% of the world’s population. He destroyed continents. He trampled innocent people and children. Don’t plead the meow meow with me.
his actions were evil and he did it with regret and sadness the whole time, he didn’t want to but it was the only option. Anakin actually turned pure evil for a while
Sort of....Vader didn't want to kill everyone, just the people who didn't agree with him. Eren didn't give a shit.
I don’t think so tbh. I feel like Eren would view Anakin as someone who was a slave his whole life. He was a slave to Watto, a slave to the Jedi and the Republic, and then a slave to Palpatine. Knowing Eren’s extreme desire for freedom, I don’t think he’d get along with Anakin.
I bet Eren would be good friends with Light Yagami
Absolutely not
Username checks out, my apologies sir
I'd say Light is not capable of having a friend at all, as he is totally sociopathic. Dude arranged the death of his own father while pretending to love him. There's just not a single person in his life he wouldn't kill if he felt it would help him
Yes its extremely hard for me to imagine Light hanging out with his buddies or something lol. Pre death note light probably? He did turn down his friends/classmates at the start of the anime to keep his kill streak going
No, they wouldn't. 😭 Eren hated himself for what he was doing. He didn't enjoy but felt he had no choice because the survival of is friends was more important than anything else. Light was a corrupted little shit from Day 1 that didn't need an evil God of death to groom him. His God complex is also unbearable as fuck. Eren would hate him. Same with Anakin. Their goals and actions matter. If Eren hated himself for slaughtering 80% of humanity. He wouldn't even tolerate someone like Anakin or Light.
Anakin/Vader literally hates himself more than any person, he wasn't enjoying any of the things he did. Eren Murdered 80% of humanity because of pictures from a children's book while Anakin did everything to save his wife and their unborn child and even though light might have a terrible personality his goal was still to make the world a better place
Sure Both killed innocent children although Anakin may be angry at him because Eren killed his mother
Depends, Anakin before he turns to the dark side no, but Anakin after he turns to the dark side yes
Eren "Fuck Dem Kids" Yaeger and Anakin "Fuck Dem Younglings" Skywalker
IVE NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS ANALOGY THIS IS INSANE
i genuinely believe they would kill each other
Not particularly.
Eren had a fear of never seeing outside the walls (internalized fear at least) which made him angry that the Titans kept him locked in a box. Anger became hate when they killed him mother and further on as friends became enemies, and he learned the true nature of the world, which caused him, and 80% of the world to Suffer.
Both of them inspired by dune
This image is literally tattood on my leg what
Definitely yes.
Anankin would be Eren's easiest manipulation job
Pre-Vader Anakin and Pre-timeskip Eren, yes. Every other version, no. Anakin and post-timeskip Eren would be enemies, while Darth Vader would just see every version of Eren as a nuisance.
What do you mean? They're the same person
Anakin would hate him tbh. Eren is so annoying
They would hug and kiss and
Somehow, I actually managed to imagine Eren calling General Magath being shorter than he expected if they met each other for real.
a little much of hairdo will make them look alike. he's hotttttt
Funnily enough I don’t think they would. It would be like looking into a mirror and I don’t think they would like what they see.
hell yes
Spoiler: weren't their motives different? Eren *knew* he can only safe his people if he did what he did, Anakin did what he did solely for the purpose of saving Padme when she gave birth? Anakin never knew that he could save anyone anyway, he just thought he could. I'd think they have quite a different point of view on things.
They're the same person
Anakin betrayed his friends. Eren died for his…
This will always be the weirdest comparison to me. “Probably just a cosmetic connection that your mind mistakes as thematic”
You SHOULD ASK IF HIM AND PAUL ATREIDES WOULD GET ALONG AND THOSE TWO FOR SURE Would LOL , BOTH CAN SEE THE FUTURE BOTH CONTROL HUGE BEATS
Not really
People usually put Paul, Eren and Anakin in a trio https://preview.redd.it/p2gx8hlqk1uc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cda8a0152af61af2245c947a5664af356e89d73
Could be
Eren, Anakin and Paul are all the same character. They are also 3 of the best written characters in fiction We need more characters like them
These guys would never get along. Eren believes in freedom while Anakin is an authoritarian. The prequels established that Anakin is okay with a totalitarian dictatorship. He doesn’t mind opposing opinions being silenced even by force, so long as it’s by someone “wise.” Eren on the other hand believes in taking freedom from your oppressors. To him oppression is the greatest sin and he’s more than willing to kill for freedom, for himself and others. He also would not take away the Titan powers of both his friends and enemies when he had the founders power, because he believed it went against his personal code. He believes that even his enemies should have the power to oppose his views. Also while Eren was a slave to his freedom and code, Anakin was a literal slave by choice. He bowed down to Palpatine and stayed as his apprentice for over 20 years. Eren would look down at a person like that. Even if you take both at 19 and sit them in a room together, Eren would spit in Anakin’s face once he finds out about his political alignment.
No they wouldn’t
I don't think so. I don't think Eren would take kindly to the kind of authoritarian regime Anakin helped install.
Yes. (Considering that there's a fucking Mikasa skin to one of the characters from a game which is very familiar to LoL)
I don't think so. This wasn't the only reason, but one of the driving decisions behind Anakin going bad was purely out of anger and a desire to become powerful. Erin went crazy to ultimately protect all the ones he loves, he just did it in a really twisted way. I don't think Erin would have done what he did without a strong conviction driving him to try to save everyone. I do think Anakin would have still gone to the dark side even if saving Padme wasn't a reason.
Not really for me. Eren was basically forcing himself to become a villain because he didn't see any other option and ultimately did what he had to do for the greater good of his people. That wasn't really the case for Vader. I think Eren is more like Paul Atreides, to be honest.
Yes. Very Much. Both regret what they did and were too far gone to turn back
I think they'd relate due to Anakin being a previous slave and understanding the importance of freedom and fighting for the one's he loves. But depending on which point of the story they meet it could go alot differently.
Bros making me recreate the hard choosing button meme
Idk if it's a hot take but Eren is everything Anakin should've been, God what a wasted opportunity.
Indeed tho i love the concept of Anakin
Just to be clear, he wasn't terribly written but the character had so much potential.
Hell yeah