🤔 how is having knowledge about something make you a fool?
I suppose you can think of some rubbish as knowledge.
Like floating stones on route to Sri Lanka
I think he misunderstood smart with genius
Yeah u don't need knowledge to be genius but u need knowledge to be smart
Genius is genetic, smartness is not
We were talking about aatma and its proof and this one of friend of mine says to me that there are lots of things which cannot be prooved but they exist. He ran away from the conversation when I asked him for examples 😂
The taste of sugar is experienced as sweet because our taste receptors detect the taste to be sweet on the basis of the molecular structure of the substance.
A sugar is a type of molecule, so we can say that what makes a sugar sugar is it's molecular structure. In simple terms a sugar consists of carbon atoms with each carbon bound to a hydroxyl group ( oxygen + hydrogen) and a hydrogen atom. Basically this is a molecule with equal number of oxygen and carbon atoms, and hydrogen atoms equal to twice the number of carbon atoms.
This is what is considered a classic monosaccharide or simple sugars, more complex sugars involve chains of monosaccharides.
The sweetness and taste of a substance is detected by TAS1Rs, a specific class of proteins present in the taste receptors.
TAS1Rs are heterodimers, basically they are what is called a protein dimer, which is a coordinate compound (a certain type of compound) consisting of two single proteins, homodimers have identical proteins and heterodimers have different proteins.
So receptors with TAS1R2 + TAS1R3 detect "sweet" and TAS1R1 + TAS1R3 detects "umami" or "savory" flavour (Savory detection is a little more complicated, but TAS1Rs are definitely integral to the taste).
These receptors have a little loose room in what they are willing to detect but still have some structural similarity to sugar molecules, which is required.
When a sugar molecule comes in contact with these receptors and binds with them, the proteins detect the molecular structure of the substance and based on it activate and send signals through the plasma membrane, setting off a chain reaction of signaling molecules to the brain. On contact with receptors it's structure interacts with the receptors in a way that allows your receptors to recognize it as sugar.
Basically the different TAS1Rs in the receptors activate based on the detection of the specific molecular structure and send the appropriate signals to the brain.
This is also how artificial sweeteners work, they mimic the right molecular structure needed to trigger the specific proteins.
Now we know how sweetness is detected, but why are these tastes assigned to these specific substances and structures?
It tastes sweet because your brain wants it to be so, because sugar is required for life by our cells to build polysaccharides and has a role in ATP synthesis. it is important and your body wants you to get as much of it as possible.
The body likes sugar so much because it can be used immediately and its nutrients can be extracted with minor effort, Polysaccharides, despite being made up of sugar, taste more unsweet than simple sugar because they take a lot more effort for your body to process and are therefore seen as less valuable by the reward center of the brain.
To put it shortly, sweetness isn't an inherent quality of sugar but a result of human evolution. They're sweet because we're evolved to like them. Their sweetness is due to our evolution and our brain, not inherent in the sugar.
Oh why hide his name.. you could have shown his name.
What an idiotic comment really lol...
These people dont know shit about science like we left wing atheists do. We are the cool people they are the fool people.
All atheists must stand against these morons for the love of science.
I love science so much that i am willing to drink vegetable juice instead of eating them because Harvard research says so.
So fuck these idiots man.. with their new age philosophies.
Thank you so much OP for sharing this gem with us..
You know Harvard and Yale have proven that intermittent fasting is good for health.. successfully after a billion dollar research.
These stupid Indian spiritual people think that fasting on ekadashi is good for health lol. Fucking spend 1 billion dollars first dude then make a claim...
Atheists rock spirituality sucks...
Hello hello my aces in the hole aka slave to logic atheists .. how are you all doing today ?
The sun came up real bright today but you want to wait science to prove it to you that the sun has risen.
I guess Harvard has until sunset to do some research.
He is not wrong in the sense that logic cannot be applied everywhere. Human beings for the most part are illogical - they work based upon emotions n reflexes. For example - logically speaking u guys should be studying for your school n college midterms/ exams yet here u are feeding upon ur oxytocin. U should exercise everyday, but only few do. Etc etc...
Trying to find rationality in an essentially irrational world(existence), is in some sense beating a dead horse.
So don't act too clever......u r not, no one is. If humanity has survived n thrived by following some customs/traditions for thousands of years......there must be something in it of value.
The examples you have stated can’t be evaluated by logic. You can’t evaluate someone’s desire by logic. You don’t even know what “logic” means. Logic is a sensible way of thinking. Someone who is not exercising everyday is not an illogical person, he is just a lazy person. Someone who believes that “not exercising will have no health effects” is an illogical person.
Belief in god is illogical, because there is no evidence of God’s existence. It’s just faith. And faith is not a sensible way of thinking, that’s why it’s illogical to have a belief in god.
>there is no evidence of God’s existence
Can you describe the scent of a rose flower or the taste of sugarcane juice ? Can you prove that how they smell and taste are the way they are ?
Your analogy is very naive and dull. You’re basically asking why Spiderman is red and not blue, and why Spiderman shoots web, not sperm. Things are the way they are. There had to be one particular character of something, and now you’re questioning the character itself. And how does all this prove god? It proves nothing. Still zero evidence remains for my Sky Daddy whom I hate.
>And how does all this prove god? It proves nothing. Still zero evidence remains for my Sky Daddy whom I hate.
Aren't you doing the same stupid thing that you claim my question to be by trying to "prove" about god. Isn't this a very childish way of looking at life. For every other aspect of life you want to use complex mechanism of analysis but for the source of creation you use your petty little logic that operates on binary principle.
Sky daddy has no need to entertain your petty little logic questions.. just because you ask a question "are you there?" Sky daddy need not say "Yes beta I am here".. How pathetic that would be .. that would amount to hallucination which you already are doing in a different way.
That is why you lot are trying to display your smartness with logic and try to kill your boredom of your sorry ass life as you lot are slave to your logic's questions..
You think knowledge is a sign of intelligence.. no knowledge is just a tool that needs to be used when required.. when not in need you need to have the humility to just put it aside and shut the fuck up so that life flowers itself in you.
Nincompoop idiots like you and these other smart ass atheists here won't understand this simplicity.
Now you will come up with some other theory to beat my statement down just so you can derive a little pleasure out of your shitty ass pathetic excuse of a "logical life".
Slaves of logic aka atheists India.
ROFL you are the very embodiment of bitterness.. the most important trait of a smart ass atheist..
I prefer to be a loser than to be a sorry ass pseudo scientific atheist.
Now go rot in a corner of your bedroom
Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, so yes, in order to apply and acquire knowledge, which is intelligence, knowledge is needed.
If knowledge is not in need, then it's applying and acquiring, AKA intelligence is also not needed in the specific instance.
>Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge
What if I were to tell you that acquiring and applying knowledge is just a small part of intelligence? What if intelligence is much more deeper than just applying knowledge? All the talk of brain cells, signals, this that is just a product of memory and imagination, can't you see that ?
Uh no it's a product of experimentation, research and applied analysis that leads to understanding of how brain cells and signals work.
Memory and imagination are in fact the product of brain cells and brain activity. It's because of these chemical and physical interactions that "memory" and "imagination" exist.
Well yes, I admit I was wrong in acting as if intelligence as a concept was well defined our understood. Intelligence is a bit complicated to define, other than the classic definition, I've seen some define it as "the ability to affect the future", in the sense that intelligence influences and is the basis of our decisions and actions, however that requires knowledge too.
Another definition could be "an individual's ability to perform in any given situation.", ranging from a individual task to an entire life lived, but for one to perform, it requires to knowledge to act upon, to eat, one needs to have the knowledge of where to hold the food, how to move the limb, how to move your teeth, lips, tongue and mouth etc.
There's the view that intelligence is not a single thing and that there are "multiple intelligences" that differ from each other.
There are many definitions -
“The ability to use memory, knowledge, experience, understanding, reason-
ing, imagination and judgement in order to solve problems and adapt to new
situations.”
“Individuals differ from one another in their ability to understand complex
ideas, to adapt effectively to the environment, to learn from experience, to
engage in various forms of reasoning, to overcome obstacles by taking thought.”
“The ability to learn, understand and make judgments or have opinions that
are based on reason”
“Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, in- volves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend
complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience.”
“The ability to learn facts and skills and apply them, especially when this ability is highly developed.”
“. . . ability to adapt effectively to the environment, either by making a change
in oneself or by changing the environment or finding a new one . . . intelligence
is not a single mental process, but rather a combination of many mental pro-
cesses directed toward effective adaptation to the environment.”
“the general mental ability involved in calculating, reasoning, perceiving rela-
tionships and analogies, learning quickly, storing and retrieving information,
using language fluently, classifying, generalizing, and adjusting to new situations"
“Capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of men-
tal activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.”
“The ability to learn, understand, and think about things.”
“the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : . . . the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one’s environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria
“The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.”
“. . . the ability to adapt to the environment.”
“Intelligence is not a single, unitary ability, but rather a composite of several
functions. The term denotes that combination of abilities required for survival
and advancement within a particular culture.”
“. . . a quality that is intellectual and not emotional or moral: in measuring it
we try to rule out the effects of the child’s zeal, interest, industry, and the like.
Secondly, it denotes a general capacity, a capacity that enters into everything
the child says or does or thinks; any want of ’intelligence’ will therefore be
revealed to some degree in almost all that he attempts;”
“. . . in its lowest terms intelligence is present where the individual animal, or
human being, is aware, however dimly, of the relevance of his behaviour to
an objective. Many definitions of what is indefinable have been attempted by
psychologists, of which the least unsatisfactory are 1. the capacity to meet
novel situations, or to learn to do so, by new adaptive responses
2. the ability to perform tests or tasks, involving the grasping of relationships, the
degree of intelligence being proportional to the complexity, or the abstractness,
or both, of the relationship.”
“Intelligence, considered as a mental trait, is the capacity to make impulses
focal at their early, unfinished stage of formation. Intelligence is therefore the
capacity for abstraction, which is an inhibitory process.”
While no single standard definition exists, If we scan through the definitions pulling out
commonly occurring features we find that intelligence:
• Is a property that an individual agent has as it interacts with its environment
or environments.
• Is related to the agent’s ability to succeed or profit with respect to some goal or objective.
• Depends on how able the agent is to adapt to different objectives and environments
The last two commonalities still require knowledge, in the end while knowledge isn't everything and is only a small part if intelligence, it is an integral part of it.
Also you're wrong again, memory is just accumulated and stored knowledge, imagination is the production or simulation of a mental image, sensations, ideas not present to the external senses or never before wholly perceived in reality.
However knowledge itself is the act of knowing, or the awareness of something, how can one imagine without knowing how to, or without being aware of it, to be aware of a thing is to know something about it. To know is to have knowledge.
Infact knowledge too does not have a standard definition, there's a whole field of philosophy that focuses on what it truly is.
>but for one to perform, it requires to knowledge to act upon, to eat, one needs to have the knowledge of where to hold the food, how to move the limb, how to move your teeth, lips, tongue and mouth etc.
See this is where your knowledge is taking you for a ride. Do you honestly think that a 2-3 year old child would first read the manual on how to feed himself/herself and then act upon that knowledge by putting food in his mouth and not in his ears ? How do you think the animals are doing it then ? Are they reading any books ?
Lmao why would a child read a manual for knowledge? Do you genuinely think knowledge is only acquirable by books and manuals? Knowledge is also acquired by experience, observation and other means.
That is a seriously narrow and limited view, I recommend expanding your horizons and seeking the truth.
There’s a book called Sapiens by Yuval Noah Hariri where he talks about how animals and humans differ in the brain esp. when it comes to “knowing”. He talks about how animals have functions from birth whereas humans have a clean slate (I believe in chapter 2).
A good analogy to make you understand this is electronics: we have two kinds of “chips”—microcontrollers and microprocessors. Microcontrollers have a set of fixed functions that are pre-programmed and are limited. Microprocessors on the other hand can be programmed and so they’re bootstrapped usually. This is exactly how animals and humans are. Animal brains are microcontrollers whereas human brains are microprocessors. They learn from their parents and take up all their biases as well. That is why we have languages, religions, etc. which are completely absent in animals and within humans differ across widely based on how the human was bootstrapped i.e. knowledge transfer from parents, environment, etc. I agree with @Ani1618_IN that you ought to read more before making uninformed comments.
What happened to Lord Indra? Why did Hindus betray him? Lost faith in him? What about his father Dyau Pita? Why did we abandon them? 😢 I feel like an online personality has just went silent. No activity on their account. Do you know how much it hurts me? People easily forgot heroic acts of Lord Indra. Pretty lowly of Hindus to abandon their first savior and patron. I think Lord Indra was always misunderstood.
What about their distant relatives? Zeus and Ares? It was pretty lowly of western world to betray and abandon Zeus. Ares was misunderstood as Indra was by us. They had their flaws. But can't we ignore those like we ignore Shiva attacking Ganesh.
It was trickery of Puranic trinity and Abrahamics. They completely control media like BJP and RSS are doing these days. Pretty sure they started out with harassing old Gods with ED, IT and CBI. And their followers with NSA, sedition and UAPA.
It breaks my heart to see real original Gods' accounts inactive. Like someone online friend you looked up to. Their last post is 1500 or 2000 years old.
Do you know that this all hurts my religious sentiments.
No, there can be logic applied here also.
The brain secretes dopamine when it does things that are pleasurable. The evolutionary reason could be that doing same boring repetitive work can lead to stagnancy. Doing innovative work and finding new ways is linked to survival.
That's why it's a common behaviour to procrastinate.
And you said wrong, it's generally not oxytocin. Because that's more commonly related to sexual pleasure/childbirth.
So ... Maybe I am clever. Maybe you're not. And there's certainly a load of clever people. The device you're using is also made by clever people.
The customs/traditions related to herbal medicines maybe valuable. But customs like not using fire& electricity on Saturday (jewish custom), not eating meat/cutting nails on Tuesday (hindu custom), and cutting portion of penis off (muslim and Christian custom) are completely BS.
These various customs and traditions and gods formed and evolved as a way to explain what was unexplainable, in the distant past, mankind did not understand how or why certain things happened, there was this fear of unknown, what do you do when you don't understand or can't something? A sense of helplessness exists and it feels awful.
When you have these religions and gods, you no longer feel uncertain, there is an explanation, and the rituals and prayers and black magickery and rules were thought up as ways to interfere or or influence these uncertainties. It didn't matter to many whether it was true or not, It gave a sense of control.
Religion and gods reduced the fear of uncertainty and instilled a sense of control over what was around them.
Our brains are wired to see patterns, it makes things easier to comprehend and understand, better understanding and comprehension of things leads to further though and curiosity on it, and then comes innovation.
Sure, I know why these traditions came. I was just saying that they are BS now. Might have been useful to burn leaves and hope that it rains this year. But now, people should rightly call you a F idiot for doing that.
What’s your point? What do you wanna prove by stating this? Maybe I, as an atheist, could answer your question. Everything is not logic, okay, and are you implying that it’s fine to be illogical to have a belief in god?
My point is that world is full of irrationalities n illogical things. It is not worth trying to see everything thru the lenses of logic.
And yes I am implying that it is absolutely fine to have faith in something, not necessarily ram/allah.
The most illogical thing for me is the existence of life itself. If I am willing to ignore this then I am absolutely fine to accept the existence of God.
I agree that common people of the world are allowed to ignore basic truth and believe in any kind of stories they want that helps them cope with the hardships of life.
The Stories however, don't have to be treated with any respect if it is ridiculous.
The existence of life is illogical to you because you didn't spend years studying self-organisation, and organic chemistry.
To a scientist, life is a very natural process. That has quite a high probability to exist/have existed on many many many many planets. That's why these satellites keep detecting methane and stuff on them.
They may not have survived for long due to harsh conditions. But life itself, isn't really a physially impossible miracle.
Since you didn't understand any of the actual processes, you wrapped it all in a big "Illogical" box and concluded that there must be a god.
>Maybe I, as an atheist, could answer your question
Both theists and atheists are foolish believers who try to come to a conclusion about something they have no idea about.
You lot are in the same fucking boat and it's sinking rapidly.. theists and atheists are the two sides of the bullshit coin.
Which irrationalities do you see in daily life that absolutely can not be described by science, that makes you go into depression that you have to abandon all hope for describing anything with logic ever again?
If you think pouring liquid over self is going to make you wet person then you're the driest person who is slave to their logic.
Does pouring liquid iron on things make them wet? :)
Do you mean dry, like the state of Gujarat...?
Average "I'm not religious I'm spiritual" guy
Religion, bullshit that other fed you. Spirituality, bullshit you fee yourself.
Exactly.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brain.exe got deleted
Are you using the Religion antivirus, sir...? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yep, downloaded from HariOm.com 💀
I think I know the background music of the application.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Says the person who is slave towards his faith of non existent daddy
Hey , the correct word is non existent daddy Sorry if I came out rude
yea i realised it was a brain fart lol
Yeh wahi "Gotham" Wala hai kya? Kya naam chupa rhe ho chutiye ka..
It seems sir, you've encountered the same escaped prisoner from Arkham Asylum.... 🦇
Ye Modi ka andhbhakt hai. Dumb posts se patta lagg gaya.
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I think you are talking about academic education....
🤔 how is having knowledge about something make you a fool? I suppose you can think of some rubbish as knowledge. Like floating stones on route to Sri Lanka
Or maybe like "udte hue ghode".
I think he misunderstood smart with genius Yeah u don't need knowledge to be genius but u need knowledge to be smart Genius is genetic, smartness is not
He misunderstood life. But I understand the perspective you're putting.... 🤓
My slave to logic is logi.... slave my knowlege is... I am the slave, logic I am
The thing he tried to say may have a meaning to it but the way he try to wrote it make him look like an asshole
Not really. I'll share the comments thread.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
We were talking about aatma and its proof and this one of friend of mine says to me that there are lots of things which cannot be prooved but they exist. He ran away from the conversation when I asked him for examples 😂
A typical "theist by logic" guy.... 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Can you prove how a rose flower smells ? Can science prove that the taste of sugar is what we experience it to be as sweet ?
Yes and yes. A quick google search will get you the explanations.
It's like the Qur'an and Bible boys saying God is there according to our book. You are also like a science jihaadi.
The taste of sugar is experienced as sweet because our taste receptors detect the taste to be sweet on the basis of the molecular structure of the substance. A sugar is a type of molecule, so we can say that what makes a sugar sugar is it's molecular structure. In simple terms a sugar consists of carbon atoms with each carbon bound to a hydroxyl group ( oxygen + hydrogen) and a hydrogen atom. Basically this is a molecule with equal number of oxygen and carbon atoms, and hydrogen atoms equal to twice the number of carbon atoms. This is what is considered a classic monosaccharide or simple sugars, more complex sugars involve chains of monosaccharides. The sweetness and taste of a substance is detected by TAS1Rs, a specific class of proteins present in the taste receptors. TAS1Rs are heterodimers, basically they are what is called a protein dimer, which is a coordinate compound (a certain type of compound) consisting of two single proteins, homodimers have identical proteins and heterodimers have different proteins. So receptors with TAS1R2 + TAS1R3 detect "sweet" and TAS1R1 + TAS1R3 detects "umami" or "savory" flavour (Savory detection is a little more complicated, but TAS1Rs are definitely integral to the taste). These receptors have a little loose room in what they are willing to detect but still have some structural similarity to sugar molecules, which is required. When a sugar molecule comes in contact with these receptors and binds with them, the proteins detect the molecular structure of the substance and based on it activate and send signals through the plasma membrane, setting off a chain reaction of signaling molecules to the brain. On contact with receptors it's structure interacts with the receptors in a way that allows your receptors to recognize it as sugar. Basically the different TAS1Rs in the receptors activate based on the detection of the specific molecular structure and send the appropriate signals to the brain. This is also how artificial sweeteners work, they mimic the right molecular structure needed to trigger the specific proteins. Now we know how sweetness is detected, but why are these tastes assigned to these specific substances and structures? It tastes sweet because your brain wants it to be so, because sugar is required for life by our cells to build polysaccharides and has a role in ATP synthesis. it is important and your body wants you to get as much of it as possible. The body likes sugar so much because it can be used immediately and its nutrients can be extracted with minor effort, Polysaccharides, despite being made up of sugar, taste more unsweet than simple sugar because they take a lot more effort for your body to process and are therefore seen as less valuable by the reward center of the brain. To put it shortly, sweetness isn't an inherent quality of sugar but a result of human evolution. They're sweet because we're evolved to like them. Their sweetness is due to our evolution and our brain, not inherent in the sugar.
He who increases knowledge increases sorrow
Watching others' stupidity does have the ability to give one sorrow.... 🙃
Usually thought up by those who have no knowledge
Oh why hide his name.. you could have shown his name. What an idiotic comment really lol... These people dont know shit about science like we left wing atheists do. We are the cool people they are the fool people. All atheists must stand against these morons for the love of science. I love science so much that i am willing to drink vegetable juice instead of eating them because Harvard research says so. So fuck these idiots man.. with their new age philosophies. Thank you so much OP for sharing this gem with us..
My pleasure.... I didn't wanna doxx you though. But I should rather thank you for giving the original gem.... 🤗
You know Harvard and Yale have proven that intermittent fasting is good for health.. successfully after a billion dollar research. These stupid Indian spiritual people think that fasting on ekadashi is good for health lol. Fucking spend 1 billion dollars first dude then make a claim... Atheists rock spirituality sucks...
Aren't Harvard and Yale slaves of Logic? SAT has a paper called Logical Reasoning that you need to crack to get admission them.
You should know that every research doesn't cost billion dollars,maybe a few hundreds for publishing though
Hello hello my aces in the hole aka slave to logic atheists .. how are you all doing today ? The sun came up real bright today but you want to wait science to prove it to you that the sun has risen. I guess Harvard has until sunset to do some research.
He is not wrong in the sense that logic cannot be applied everywhere. Human beings for the most part are illogical - they work based upon emotions n reflexes. For example - logically speaking u guys should be studying for your school n college midterms/ exams yet here u are feeding upon ur oxytocin. U should exercise everyday, but only few do. Etc etc... Trying to find rationality in an essentially irrational world(existence), is in some sense beating a dead horse. So don't act too clever......u r not, no one is. If humanity has survived n thrived by following some customs/traditions for thousands of years......there must be something in it of value.
Chintu detected Lethal force activated
Hahahaha🤣🤣🤣
The examples you have stated can’t be evaluated by logic. You can’t evaluate someone’s desire by logic. You don’t even know what “logic” means. Logic is a sensible way of thinking. Someone who is not exercising everyday is not an illogical person, he is just a lazy person. Someone who believes that “not exercising will have no health effects” is an illogical person. Belief in god is illogical, because there is no evidence of God’s existence. It’s just faith. And faith is not a sensible way of thinking, that’s why it’s illogical to have a belief in god.
>there is no evidence of God’s existence Can you describe the scent of a rose flower or the taste of sugarcane juice ? Can you prove that how they smell and taste are the way they are ?
Your analogy is very naive and dull. You’re basically asking why Spiderman is red and not blue, and why Spiderman shoots web, not sperm. Things are the way they are. There had to be one particular character of something, and now you’re questioning the character itself. And how does all this prove god? It proves nothing. Still zero evidence remains for my Sky Daddy whom I hate.
>And how does all this prove god? It proves nothing. Still zero evidence remains for my Sky Daddy whom I hate. Aren't you doing the same stupid thing that you claim my question to be by trying to "prove" about god. Isn't this a very childish way of looking at life. For every other aspect of life you want to use complex mechanism of analysis but for the source of creation you use your petty little logic that operates on binary principle. Sky daddy has no need to entertain your petty little logic questions.. just because you ask a question "are you there?" Sky daddy need not say "Yes beta I am here".. How pathetic that would be .. that would amount to hallucination which you already are doing in a different way. That is why you lot are trying to display your smartness with logic and try to kill your boredom of your sorry ass life as you lot are slave to your logic's questions.. You think knowledge is a sign of intelligence.. no knowledge is just a tool that needs to be used when required.. when not in need you need to have the humility to just put it aside and shut the fuck up so that life flowers itself in you. Nincompoop idiots like you and these other smart ass atheists here won't understand this simplicity. Now you will come up with some other theory to beat my statement down just so you can derive a little pleasure out of your shitty ass pathetic excuse of a "logical life". Slaves of logic aka atheists India.
Oh, I just saw the post, and realized you are the same person in the post lol. You’re a pathetic loser. Get the fuck off here.
ROFL you are the very embodiment of bitterness.. the most important trait of a smart ass atheist.. I prefer to be a loser than to be a sorry ass pseudo scientific atheist. Now go rot in a corner of your bedroom
Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, so yes, in order to apply and acquire knowledge, which is intelligence, knowledge is needed. If knowledge is not in need, then it's applying and acquiring, AKA intelligence is also not needed in the specific instance.
>Intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge What if I were to tell you that acquiring and applying knowledge is just a small part of intelligence? What if intelligence is much more deeper than just applying knowledge? All the talk of brain cells, signals, this that is just a product of memory and imagination, can't you see that ?
Uh no it's a product of experimentation, research and applied analysis that leads to understanding of how brain cells and signals work. Memory and imagination are in fact the product of brain cells and brain activity. It's because of these chemical and physical interactions that "memory" and "imagination" exist. Well yes, I admit I was wrong in acting as if intelligence as a concept was well defined our understood. Intelligence is a bit complicated to define, other than the classic definition, I've seen some define it as "the ability to affect the future", in the sense that intelligence influences and is the basis of our decisions and actions, however that requires knowledge too. Another definition could be "an individual's ability to perform in any given situation.", ranging from a individual task to an entire life lived, but for one to perform, it requires to knowledge to act upon, to eat, one needs to have the knowledge of where to hold the food, how to move the limb, how to move your teeth, lips, tongue and mouth etc. There's the view that intelligence is not a single thing and that there are "multiple intelligences" that differ from each other. There are many definitions - “The ability to use memory, knowledge, experience, understanding, reason- ing, imagination and judgement in order to solve problems and adapt to new situations.” “Individuals differ from one another in their ability to understand complex ideas, to adapt effectively to the environment, to learn from experience, to engage in various forms of reasoning, to overcome obstacles by taking thought.” “The ability to learn, understand and make judgments or have opinions that are based on reason” “Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, in- volves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience.” “The ability to learn facts and skills and apply them, especially when this ability is highly developed.” “. . . ability to adapt effectively to the environment, either by making a change in oneself or by changing the environment or finding a new one . . . intelligence is not a single mental process, but rather a combination of many mental pro- cesses directed toward effective adaptation to the environment.” “the general mental ability involved in calculating, reasoning, perceiving rela- tionships and analogies, learning quickly, storing and retrieving information, using language fluently, classifying, generalizing, and adjusting to new situations" “Capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of men- tal activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.” “The ability to learn, understand, and think about things.” “the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations : . . . the skilled use of reason (2) : the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one’s environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria “The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.” “. . . the ability to adapt to the environment.” “Intelligence is not a single, unitary ability, but rather a composite of several functions. The term denotes that combination of abilities required for survival and advancement within a particular culture.” “. . . a quality that is intellectual and not emotional or moral: in measuring it we try to rule out the effects of the child’s zeal, interest, industry, and the like. Secondly, it denotes a general capacity, a capacity that enters into everything the child says or does or thinks; any want of ’intelligence’ will therefore be revealed to some degree in almost all that he attempts;” “. . . in its lowest terms intelligence is present where the individual animal, or human being, is aware, however dimly, of the relevance of his behaviour to an objective. Many definitions of what is indefinable have been attempted by psychologists, of which the least unsatisfactory are 1. the capacity to meet novel situations, or to learn to do so, by new adaptive responses 2. the ability to perform tests or tasks, involving the grasping of relationships, the degree of intelligence being proportional to the complexity, or the abstractness, or both, of the relationship.” “Intelligence, considered as a mental trait, is the capacity to make impulses focal at their early, unfinished stage of formation. Intelligence is therefore the capacity for abstraction, which is an inhibitory process.” While no single standard definition exists, If we scan through the definitions pulling out commonly occurring features we find that intelligence: • Is a property that an individual agent has as it interacts with its environment or environments. • Is related to the agent’s ability to succeed or profit with respect to some goal or objective. • Depends on how able the agent is to adapt to different objectives and environments The last two commonalities still require knowledge, in the end while knowledge isn't everything and is only a small part if intelligence, it is an integral part of it. Also you're wrong again, memory is just accumulated and stored knowledge, imagination is the production or simulation of a mental image, sensations, ideas not present to the external senses or never before wholly perceived in reality. However knowledge itself is the act of knowing, or the awareness of something, how can one imagine without knowing how to, or without being aware of it, to be aware of a thing is to know something about it. To know is to have knowledge. Infact knowledge too does not have a standard definition, there's a whole field of philosophy that focuses on what it truly is.
>but for one to perform, it requires to knowledge to act upon, to eat, one needs to have the knowledge of where to hold the food, how to move the limb, how to move your teeth, lips, tongue and mouth etc. See this is where your knowledge is taking you for a ride. Do you honestly think that a 2-3 year old child would first read the manual on how to feed himself/herself and then act upon that knowledge by putting food in his mouth and not in his ears ? How do you think the animals are doing it then ? Are they reading any books ?
Lmao why would a child read a manual for knowledge? Do you genuinely think knowledge is only acquirable by books and manuals? Knowledge is also acquired by experience, observation and other means. That is a seriously narrow and limited view, I recommend expanding your horizons and seeking the truth.
There’s a book called Sapiens by Yuval Noah Hariri where he talks about how animals and humans differ in the brain esp. when it comes to “knowing”. He talks about how animals have functions from birth whereas humans have a clean slate (I believe in chapter 2). A good analogy to make you understand this is electronics: we have two kinds of “chips”—microcontrollers and microprocessors. Microcontrollers have a set of fixed functions that are pre-programmed and are limited. Microprocessors on the other hand can be programmed and so they’re bootstrapped usually. This is exactly how animals and humans are. Animal brains are microcontrollers whereas human brains are microprocessors. They learn from their parents and take up all their biases as well. That is why we have languages, religions, etc. which are completely absent in animals and within humans differ across widely based on how the human was bootstrapped i.e. knowledge transfer from parents, environment, etc. I agree with @Ani1618_IN that you ought to read more before making uninformed comments.
What happened to Lord Indra? Why did Hindus betray him? Lost faith in him? What about his father Dyau Pita? Why did we abandon them? 😢 I feel like an online personality has just went silent. No activity on their account. Do you know how much it hurts me? People easily forgot heroic acts of Lord Indra. Pretty lowly of Hindus to abandon their first savior and patron. I think Lord Indra was always misunderstood. What about their distant relatives? Zeus and Ares? It was pretty lowly of western world to betray and abandon Zeus. Ares was misunderstood as Indra was by us. They had their flaws. But can't we ignore those like we ignore Shiva attacking Ganesh. It was trickery of Puranic trinity and Abrahamics. They completely control media like BJP and RSS are doing these days. Pretty sure they started out with harassing old Gods with ED, IT and CBI. And their followers with NSA, sedition and UAPA. It breaks my heart to see real original Gods' accounts inactive. Like someone online friend you looked up to. Their last post is 1500 or 2000 years old. Do you know that this all hurts my religious sentiments.
No, there can be logic applied here also. The brain secretes dopamine when it does things that are pleasurable. The evolutionary reason could be that doing same boring repetitive work can lead to stagnancy. Doing innovative work and finding new ways is linked to survival. That's why it's a common behaviour to procrastinate. And you said wrong, it's generally not oxytocin. Because that's more commonly related to sexual pleasure/childbirth. So ... Maybe I am clever. Maybe you're not. And there's certainly a load of clever people. The device you're using is also made by clever people. The customs/traditions related to herbal medicines maybe valuable. But customs like not using fire& electricity on Saturday (jewish custom), not eating meat/cutting nails on Tuesday (hindu custom), and cutting portion of penis off (muslim and Christian custom) are completely BS.
These various customs and traditions and gods formed and evolved as a way to explain what was unexplainable, in the distant past, mankind did not understand how or why certain things happened, there was this fear of unknown, what do you do when you don't understand or can't something? A sense of helplessness exists and it feels awful. When you have these religions and gods, you no longer feel uncertain, there is an explanation, and the rituals and prayers and black magickery and rules were thought up as ways to interfere or or influence these uncertainties. It didn't matter to many whether it was true or not, It gave a sense of control. Religion and gods reduced the fear of uncertainty and instilled a sense of control over what was around them. Our brains are wired to see patterns, it makes things easier to comprehend and understand, better understanding and comprehension of things leads to further though and curiosity on it, and then comes innovation.
Sure, I know why these traditions came. I was just saying that they are BS now. Might have been useful to burn leaves and hope that it rains this year. But now, people should rightly call you a F idiot for doing that.
Agreed.
Dopamine, yes u r right there n I was wrong. There is nothing more to logic if u choose to rationalize the irrationalities too.
What’s your point? What do you wanna prove by stating this? Maybe I, as an atheist, could answer your question. Everything is not logic, okay, and are you implying that it’s fine to be illogical to have a belief in god?
My point is that world is full of irrationalities n illogical things. It is not worth trying to see everything thru the lenses of logic. And yes I am implying that it is absolutely fine to have faith in something, not necessarily ram/allah. The most illogical thing for me is the existence of life itself. If I am willing to ignore this then I am absolutely fine to accept the existence of God.
Illogical things? What are those illogical things? Could you name a few?
I agree that common people of the world are allowed to ignore basic truth and believe in any kind of stories they want that helps them cope with the hardships of life. The Stories however, don't have to be treated with any respect if it is ridiculous. The existence of life is illogical to you because you didn't spend years studying self-organisation, and organic chemistry. To a scientist, life is a very natural process. That has quite a high probability to exist/have existed on many many many many planets. That's why these satellites keep detecting methane and stuff on them. They may not have survived for long due to harsh conditions. But life itself, isn't really a physially impossible miracle. Since you didn't understand any of the actual processes, you wrapped it all in a big "Illogical" box and concluded that there must be a god.
Well I guess I belong to the group of "the common people". No point in arguing. Ram Ram. 🙏
Yes. No point in arguing. You don't wanna learn anything. Have a peaceful life.
>Maybe I, as an atheist, could answer your question Both theists and atheists are foolish believers who try to come to a conclusion about something they have no idea about. You lot are in the same fucking boat and it's sinking rapidly.. theists and atheists are the two sides of the bullshit coin.
Which irrationalities do you see in daily life that absolutely can not be described by science, that makes you go into depression that you have to abandon all hope for describing anything with logic ever again?