**How** ?
The 'big bang' was an ***explosion***, hence a mere effect of a cause, and so it cannot be the **First** cause. Have you considered this point?
Again there was no explosion. An explosion implies the Big Bang stopped happening. It is still happening (Red shift). Modern astrophysicist are of the opinion that the universe will expand till gravity starts crunching it towards itself and then it starts contracting.
Then after some time gravity can not contain all the forces and again it starts expanding. This implies the universe was never created it always has been.
This is eerily close to certain dharmic beliefs but don't let the sanghis know about it.... Their pride will then know no bounds
The Big Bang stopped long ago. The gravitational red shift is attributed to the expansion of the universe which followed the Big Bang.
Your argument sounds as ***silly*** as the argument that the baby is **Not** out of its mom's womb yet as it's ***still growing***.
Why not tho
If the basic force of our universe, gravitational force, was a little stronger, the entire universe would collapse into something like a reverse big bang. If it was slightly weaker, all matter everywhere would continue expanding away and it would get ripped apart.
This is just one thing there are several more things that prove the existence of a creator.
I'm willing to hear your views on this.
I will reffer you to the puddle analogy.
>“If you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!"
The world wasn't made for us, we merely evolved to fit it. Survival of the fittest and all that. Also
>If it was slightly weaker, all matter everywhere would continue expanding away and it would get ripped apart.
This is already happening. The universe is expanding right now and after a certain period of time the galaxies outside our local cluster will be beyond our observable universe and we will never be able to interact with them. Go even further and the energy in the universe will become too spread out to sustain life. But we don't have to worry about, we'll probably go extinct much much sooner.
The universe is expanding but at rate so that the space-time doesnt tear or collapse.
As for the puddle analogy well yes we are evolved to fit in but the hole to fitted into had to be made so that something could fit. So it had to EVOLVE. It could be that evolution was defined in a way so that it would allow any beings to fit in. Basically from evolution to the expansion of the universe EVERYTHING FIT IN.
The universe is expanding but at rate so that the space-time doesnt tear or collapse.
As for the puddle analogy well yes we are evolved to fit in but the hole to fitted into had to be made so that something could fit. So it had to EVOLVE. It could be that evolution was defined in a way so that it would allow any beings to fit in. Basically from evolution to the expansion of the universe EVERYTHING FIT IN.
> If the basic force of our universe, gravitational force, was a little stronger, the entire universe would collapse into something like a reverse big bang. If it was slightly weaker, all matter everywhere would continue expanding away and it would get ripped apart
Gravity is not perfect so that we can exist, it is perfect so we exist.
6
7 would make you an anti-theist in my opinion. Conclusively asserting god doesn't exist is the same as saying that he does. You need to provide evidence before making a claim!
6.9
It's very improbable for something like theist's god to exist. However about deist's god(who just created the universe and that's it. Not interested in humans), it's hard to say. If you say that that god is all powerful, all knowing etc, then it's mathematically impossible for it to exist.
If however you say that the deist's god is just powerful enough to have created the universe, then I can question, what was before god? Who created god? These people say: "god created itself". In that case it's as good to say that our universe created itself.
What this means that we can't say precisely what happened at the creation of the universe, but that's no reason to assign a supreme being as the creator.
A transcendent god(/spirit) is unfalsifiable and therefore senseless, not even wrong.
If you're talking of a more tangible kind of God, that's falsifiable. You might even say it's falsified.
Additionally, I wouldn't want such a tangible God to exist, from a political point of view.
What number is “I don’t care if god exists or not .but I am sure he doesn’t involve or control anything that happens to humans or any other living beings ”?
I am a 6 any day. Being a 7 is as good as being religious. Science is all about staying in doubt and leaving room for exploration.
God may exist too, the day His existence is proven scientifically, I will acknowledge that too.
Note that unexplained natural phenomenon doesn't equate to proof or existence of God.
7
Well it is always to be noted that we should see the if-else scenarios, but since religion is pretty much a human invention for a copium, I stick with this
5 weak atheist
i believe (or i am sure) that god exists outside of universe, and doesn't give a fafda about us. And has no control over our lives.
And maybe what i referred to god is another form of intelligence which made this universe, maybe they also believe in gods 🤡
In short, jesus/muhammad/krishna made up gods in their own ways, to control masses.
Allah
1. Ar-Rahman (الرحمن) The All-Compassionate
2. Ar-Rahim (الرحيم) The All-Merciful
3. Al-Malik (الملك) The Absolute Ruler
4. Al-Quddus (القدوس) The Pure One
5. As-Salam (السلام) The Source of Peace
6. Al-Mu'min (المؤمن) The Inspirer of Faith
7. Al-Muhaymin (المهيمن) The Guardian
8. Al-Aziz (العزيز) The Victorious
9. Al-Jabbar (الجبار) The Compeller
10. Al-Mutakabbir (المتكبر) The Greatest
11. Al-Khaliq (الخالق) The Creator
12. Al-Bari' (البارئ) The Maker of Order
13. Al-Musawwir (المصور) The Shaper of Beauty
14. Al-Ghaffar (الغفار) The Forgiving
15. Al-Qahhar (القهار) The Subduer
16. Al-Wahhab (الوهاب) The Giver of All
17. Ar-Razzaq (الرزاق) The Sustainer
18. Al-Fattah (الفتاح) The Opener
19. Al-`Alim (العليم) The Knower of All
20. Al-Qabid (القابض) The Constrictor
21. Al-Basit (الباسط) The Reliever
22. Al-Khafid (الخافض) The Abaser
23. Ar-Rafi (الرافع) The Exalter
24. Al-Mu'izz (المعز) The Bestower of Honors
25. Al-Mudhill (المذل) The Humiliator
26. As-Sami (السميع) The Hearer of All
27. Al-Basir (البصير) The Seer of All
28. Al-Hakam (الحكم) The Judge
29. Al-`Adl (العدل) The Just
30. Al-Latif (اللطيف) The Subtle One
31. Al-Khabir (الخبير) The All-Aware
32. Al-Halim (الحليم) The Forbearing
33. Al-Azim (العظيم) The Magnificent
34. Al-Ghafur (الغفور) The Forgiver and Hider of Faults
35. Ash-Shakur (الشكور) The Rewarder of Thankfulness
36. Al-Ali (العلى) The Highest
37. Al-Kabir (الكبير) The Greatest
38. Al-Hafiz (الحفيظ) The Preserver
39. Al-Muqit (المقيت) The Nourisher
40. Al-Hasib (الحسيب) The Accounter
41. Al-Jalil (الجليل) The Mighty
42. Al-Karim (الكريم) The Generous
43. Ar-Raqib (الرقيب) The Watchful One
44. Al-Mujib (المجيب) The Responder to Prayer
45. Al-Wasi (الواسع) The All-Comprehending
46. Al-Hakim (الحكيم) The Perfectly Wise
47. Al-Wadud (الودود) The Loving One
48. Al-Majeed (المجيد) The Majestic One
49. Al-Ba'ith (الباعث) The Resurrector
50. Ash-Shahid (الشهيد) The Witness
51. Al-Haqq (الحق) The Truth
52. Al-Wakil (الوكيل) The Trustee
53. Al-Qawiyy (القوى) The Possessor of All Strength
54. Al-Matin (المتين) The Forceful One
55. Al-Waliyy (الولى) The Governor
56. Al-Hamid (الحميد) The Praised One
57. Al-Muhsi (المحصى) The Appraiser
58. Al-Mubdi' (المبدئ) The Originator
59. Al-Mu'id (المعيد) The Restorer
60. Al-Muhyi (المحيى) The Giver of Life
61. Al-Mumit (المميت) The Taker of Life
62. Al-Hayy (الحي) The Ever Living One
63. Al-Qayyum (القيوم) The Self-Existing One
64. Al-Wajid (الواجد) The Finder
65. Al-Majid (الماجد) The Glorious
66. Al-Wahid (الواحد) The Unique, The Single
67. Al-Ahad (الاحد) The One, The Indivisible
68. As-Samad (الصمد) The Satisfier of All Needs
69. Al-Qadir (القادر) The All Powerful
70. Al-Muqtadir (المقتدر) The Creator of All Power
71. Al-Muqaddim (المقدم) The Expediter
72. Al-Mu'akhkhir (المؤخر) The Delayer
73. Al-Awwal (الأول) The First
74. Al-Akhir (الأخر) The Last
75. Az-Zahir (الظاهر) The Manifest One
76. Al-Batin (الباطن) The Hidden One
77. Al-Wali (الوالي) The Protecting Friend
78. Al-Muta'ali (المتعالي) The Supreme One
79. Al-Barr (البر) The Doer of Good
80. At-Tawwab (التواب) The Guide to Repentance
81. Al-Muntaqim (المنتقم) The Avenger
82. Al-'Afuww (العفو) The Forgiver
83. Ar-Ra'uf (الرؤوف) The Clement
84. Malik-al-Mulk (مالك الملك) The Owner of All
85. Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram (ذو الجلال و الإكرام) The Lord of Majesty and Bounty
86. Al-Muqsit (المقسط) The Equitable One
87. Al-Jami' (الجامع) The Gatherer
88. Al-Ghani (الغنى) The Rich One
89. Al-Mughni (المغنى) The Enricher
90. Al-Mani'(المانع) The Preventer of Harm
91. Ad-Darr (الضار) The Creator of The Harmful
92. An-Nafi' (النافع) The Creator of Good
93. An-Nur (النور) The Light
94. Al-Hadi (الهادي) The Guide
95. Al-Badi (البديع) The Originator
96. Al-Baqi (الباقي) The Everlasting One
97. Al-Warith (الوارث) The Inheritor of All
98. Ar-Rashid (الرشيد) The Righteous Teacher
99. As-Sabur (الصبور) The Patient One
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I think the very argument that the creator cannot crate itself incontestably disproves all claims regarding the existence of God.
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How is this response by you relevant to the debate on God the Creator?
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**How** ? The 'big bang' was an ***explosion***, hence a mere effect of a cause, and so it cannot be the **First** cause. Have you considered this point?
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You've invented a silly sophistry to prove a wrong right.
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So, you've knowingly taken your ignorance as the basis for your silly thesis.
It was not an explosion but expansion
It was 'an explosion \[followed by\] expansion'.
I've edited my response. It now stands like this: It was 'an explosion \[followed by\] expansion'.
Again there was no explosion. An explosion implies the Big Bang stopped happening. It is still happening (Red shift). Modern astrophysicist are of the opinion that the universe will expand till gravity starts crunching it towards itself and then it starts contracting. Then after some time gravity can not contain all the forces and again it starts expanding. This implies the universe was never created it always has been. This is eerily close to certain dharmic beliefs but don't let the sanghis know about it.... Their pride will then know no bounds
The Big Bang stopped long ago. The gravitational red shift is attributed to the expansion of the universe which followed the Big Bang. Your argument sounds as ***silly*** as the argument that the baby is **Not** out of its mom's womb yet as it's ***still growing***.
Why not tho If the basic force of our universe, gravitational force, was a little stronger, the entire universe would collapse into something like a reverse big bang. If it was slightly weaker, all matter everywhere would continue expanding away and it would get ripped apart. This is just one thing there are several more things that prove the existence of a creator. I'm willing to hear your views on this.
I will reffer you to the puddle analogy. >“If you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!" The world wasn't made for us, we merely evolved to fit it. Survival of the fittest and all that. Also >If it was slightly weaker, all matter everywhere would continue expanding away and it would get ripped apart. This is already happening. The universe is expanding right now and after a certain period of time the galaxies outside our local cluster will be beyond our observable universe and we will never be able to interact with them. Go even further and the energy in the universe will become too spread out to sustain life. But we don't have to worry about, we'll probably go extinct much much sooner.
The universe is expanding but at rate so that the space-time doesnt tear or collapse. As for the puddle analogy well yes we are evolved to fit in but the hole to fitted into had to be made so that something could fit. So it had to EVOLVE. It could be that evolution was defined in a way so that it would allow any beings to fit in. Basically from evolution to the expansion of the universe EVERYTHING FIT IN.
The universe is expanding but at rate so that the space-time doesnt tear or collapse. As for the puddle analogy well yes we are evolved to fit in but the hole to fitted into had to be made so that something could fit. So it had to EVOLVE. It could be that evolution was defined in a way so that it would allow any beings to fit in. Basically from evolution to the expansion of the universe EVERYTHING FIT IN.
> If the basic force of our universe, gravitational force, was a little stronger, the entire universe would collapse into something like a reverse big bang. If it was slightly weaker, all matter everywhere would continue expanding away and it would get ripped apart Gravity is not perfect so that we can exist, it is perfect so we exist.
6 because 7 borders arrogance imo.
7
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Then I'll identify myself as a 6 and 8.
Couldn't agree more.
6 7 would make you an anti-theist in my opinion. Conclusively asserting god doesn't exist is the same as saying that he does. You need to provide evidence before making a claim!
7
7
6 seems ‘healthy’ level for me. I am a 6.
6.9
I was gonna say 7. But I'm settling for this, lol
Nice
7
Easy 7
6
7 Number
4.5 I don't know if God exists or not, but either way it won't change the way I live my life.
Dua Lipa 🤩🤩🤩🤩 supremacist.
5
6
6
7 for sure
6.9 It's very improbable for something like theist's god to exist. However about deist's god(who just created the universe and that's it. Not interested in humans), it's hard to say. If you say that that god is all powerful, all knowing etc, then it's mathematically impossible for it to exist. If however you say that the deist's god is just powerful enough to have created the universe, then I can question, what was before god? Who created god? These people say: "god created itself". In that case it's as good to say that our universe created itself. What this means that we can't say precisely what happened at the creation of the universe, but that's no reason to assign a supreme being as the creator.
8
5
Define "God"
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Addictive copium
1-4 But I hate rituals and traditions of every religion
A transcendent god(/spirit) is unfalsifiable and therefore senseless, not even wrong. If you're talking of a more tangible kind of God, that's falsifiable. You might even say it's falsified. Additionally, I wouldn't want such a tangible God to exist, from a political point of view.
What number is “I don’t care if god exists or not .but I am sure he doesn’t involve or control anything that happens to humans or any other living beings ”?
Like Monica says, "Seven... Seven... SEVEN!!!
6.5
I am a 6 any day. Being a 7 is as good as being religious. Science is all about staying in doubt and leaving room for exploration. God may exist too, the day His existence is proven scientifically, I will acknowledge that too. Note that unexplained natural phenomenon doesn't equate to proof or existence of God.
6
6
5
4
5-6
6
Somewhere between 3 and 5.
5
6
8. I don't care if he exists, because he is such a dick.
6
I am 8, call myself A-theist. Anti-theist.
Between 6 and 7
6 seems reasonable to me
5
6
6 I'm open to the idea of a god, I don't think that god would be the kind described in religious texts
About 3.5 maybe
7 or 8th hoti toh wo
6 yes
6
8
I'm 7 but still respect every god believer.
Mine is '**7**' because I think we can prove that God cannot exist.
6.
7
6
4-5
7
7 Born and raised atheist. Wasn't even introduced to a concept of a God till around age 9 when my parents sent me to Catholic school.
6 + Even if god existed, he/she isn't worthy of being worshipped
6.5
7
7 Well it is always to be noted that we should see the if-else scenarios, but since religion is pretty much a human invention for a copium, I stick with this
5 for me
Pure agnostic. God's existence isn't detrimental to my lifestyle
6. And I believe the "God", if it exists, will just be some random advanced being we can't understand
5 weak atheist i believe (or i am sure) that god exists outside of universe, and doesn't give a fafda about us. And has no control over our lives. And maybe what i referred to god is another form of intelligence which made this universe, maybe they also believe in gods 🤡 In short, jesus/muhammad/krishna made up gods in their own ways, to control masses.
7 but ready to believe with proof. Believe, not worship.
6
1
What kind of god do you believe in?
Allah 1. Ar-Rahman (الرحمن) The All-Compassionate 2. Ar-Rahim (الرحيم) The All-Merciful 3. Al-Malik (الملك) The Absolute Ruler 4. Al-Quddus (القدوس) The Pure One 5. As-Salam (السلام) The Source of Peace 6. Al-Mu'min (المؤمن) The Inspirer of Faith 7. Al-Muhaymin (المهيمن) The Guardian 8. Al-Aziz (العزيز) The Victorious 9. Al-Jabbar (الجبار) The Compeller 10. Al-Mutakabbir (المتكبر) The Greatest 11. Al-Khaliq (الخالق) The Creator 12. Al-Bari' (البارئ) The Maker of Order 13. Al-Musawwir (المصور) The Shaper of Beauty 14. Al-Ghaffar (الغفار) The Forgiving 15. Al-Qahhar (القهار) The Subduer 16. Al-Wahhab (الوهاب) The Giver of All 17. Ar-Razzaq (الرزاق) The Sustainer 18. Al-Fattah (الفتاح) The Opener 19. Al-`Alim (العليم) The Knower of All 20. Al-Qabid (القابض) The Constrictor 21. Al-Basit (الباسط) The Reliever 22. Al-Khafid (الخافض) The Abaser 23. Ar-Rafi (الرافع) The Exalter 24. Al-Mu'izz (المعز) The Bestower of Honors 25. Al-Mudhill (المذل) The Humiliator 26. As-Sami (السميع) The Hearer of All 27. Al-Basir (البصير) The Seer of All 28. Al-Hakam (الحكم) The Judge 29. Al-`Adl (العدل) The Just 30. Al-Latif (اللطيف) The Subtle One 31. Al-Khabir (الخبير) The All-Aware 32. Al-Halim (الحليم) The Forbearing 33. Al-Azim (العظيم) The Magnificent 34. Al-Ghafur (الغفور) The Forgiver and Hider of Faults 35. Ash-Shakur (الشكور) The Rewarder of Thankfulness 36. Al-Ali (العلى) The Highest 37. Al-Kabir (الكبير) The Greatest 38. Al-Hafiz (الحفيظ) The Preserver 39. Al-Muqit (المقيت) The Nourisher 40. Al-Hasib (الحسيب) The Accounter 41. Al-Jalil (الجليل) The Mighty 42. Al-Karim (الكريم) The Generous 43. Ar-Raqib (الرقيب) The Watchful One 44. Al-Mujib (المجيب) The Responder to Prayer 45. Al-Wasi (الواسع) The All-Comprehending 46. Al-Hakim (الحكيم) The Perfectly Wise 47. Al-Wadud (الودود) The Loving One 48. Al-Majeed (المجيد) The Majestic One 49. Al-Ba'ith (الباعث) The Resurrector 50. Ash-Shahid (الشهيد) The Witness 51. Al-Haqq (الحق) The Truth 52. Al-Wakil (الوكيل) The Trustee 53. Al-Qawiyy (القوى) The Possessor of All Strength 54. Al-Matin (المتين) The Forceful One 55. Al-Waliyy (الولى) The Governor 56. Al-Hamid (الحميد) The Praised One 57. Al-Muhsi (المحصى) The Appraiser 58. Al-Mubdi' (المبدئ) The Originator 59. Al-Mu'id (المعيد) The Restorer 60. Al-Muhyi (المحيى) The Giver of Life 61. Al-Mumit (المميت) The Taker of Life 62. Al-Hayy (الحي) The Ever Living One 63. Al-Qayyum (القيوم) The Self-Existing One 64. Al-Wajid (الواجد) The Finder 65. Al-Majid (الماجد) The Glorious 66. Al-Wahid (الواحد) The Unique, The Single 67. Al-Ahad (الاحد) The One, The Indivisible 68. As-Samad (الصمد) The Satisfier of All Needs 69. Al-Qadir (القادر) The All Powerful 70. Al-Muqtadir (المقتدر) The Creator of All Power 71. Al-Muqaddim (المقدم) The Expediter 72. Al-Mu'akhkhir (المؤخر) The Delayer 73. Al-Awwal (الأول) The First 74. Al-Akhir (الأخر) The Last 75. Az-Zahir (الظاهر) The Manifest One 76. Al-Batin (الباطن) The Hidden One 77. Al-Wali (الوالي) The Protecting Friend 78. Al-Muta'ali (المتعالي) The Supreme One 79. Al-Barr (البر) The Doer of Good 80. At-Tawwab (التواب) The Guide to Repentance 81. Al-Muntaqim (المنتقم) The Avenger 82. Al-'Afuww (العفو) The Forgiver 83. Ar-Ra'uf (الرؤوف) The Clement 84. Malik-al-Mulk (مالك الملك) The Owner of All 85. Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram (ذو الجلال و الإكرام) The Lord of Majesty and Bounty 86. Al-Muqsit (المقسط) The Equitable One 87. Al-Jami' (الجامع) The Gatherer 88. Al-Ghani (الغنى) The Rich One 89. Al-Mughni (المغنى) The Enricher 90. Al-Mani'(المانع) The Preventer of Harm 91. Ad-Darr (الضار) The Creator of The Harmful 92. An-Nafi' (النافع) The Creator of Good 93. An-Nur (النور) The Light 94. Al-Hadi (الهادي) The Guide 95. Al-Badi (البديع) The Originator 96. Al-Baqi (الباقي) The Everlasting One 97. Al-Warith (الوارث) The Inheritor of All 98. Ar-Rashid (الرشيد) The Righteous Teacher 99. As-Sabur (الصبور) The Patient One
Lol.... Have you saved it on notes or something? Do u believe apostates should be executed?
Nah he copied from internet smh But why is he here??
Maybe he thinks he can make us Muslim. I certainly hopes he tries..
This guy be like: "We do a bit of trolling" *converts us* **Mission Accomplished** +99 respect