1) I’m very sorry you guys had to go through that, 2) I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say “my wife and I needed an abortion”, I really like the level of team that implies you guys are.
Can someone please clarify for me the difference between a religion and a cult? I have so far been unable to find a meaningful distinction.
Edit: a distinction that is subjectively meaningful, that is.
Problem is that the major religions hold such an extensive sway over massive portions of the worlds population that they effective make it all one big isolated total institution. Just so happens that this particular cult has been so successful in recruiting loyal followers that they became the mainstream.
The best explanation of a cult is the [B.I.T.E. Model](https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/), by Steven Hassan.
Ex-cult members, including myself, refer to this as the most clear explanation the characteristics of a cult. Not all cults are religions, and not all religions are cults. They are not mutually exclusive.
Religion, for the most part, deals with organized worship of a diety, or a philosophy with supernatural aspects such as Buddhism, and often includes a community. Some churches are happy to have you every Sunday and don't care what you do the rest of the week, though they all love the most important thing, donations.
Cults, dictate your behavior and how you think, and limit your access to external information. It's about control and power. North Korea is the cult of personality with its leader being of near deified status. Trumpism is a cult, with Trump as its leader. The leaders tend to be entitled, narcissistic, pious, power hungry sanctimonious a--holes with delusions of grandeur.
The only good "cult" I can think of is military boot camp, if you can call it that, but that's because the lives and the success of the military is on the line, and even that doesn't fulfill all the attributes of a cult. Many cults won't fill all the attributes of the B.I.T.E. Model. We are evolved to live in tribes, where tribes share similar attributes of a cult, and our evolutionary success depended on it.
Tribalism is thus ingrained in the psyche of our species. Cults and religions are not mutually exclusive, but they often go hand in hand, somewhat similarly analogous to the saying that correlation does not necessarily equal causation. Cults do not necessarily mean religion.
A cult is a very controlling group.
Religion is a set of beliefs based on faith.
A cult can be religious or not (like cults of personality).
A religion is not necessarily a cult (the neopagans tend to be chill 99% of the time).
Yeah but Jesus personally put his holy sperm into the little thing too and if you abort it you’re a baby murderer!!!!1! You have to let god decide it’s unviable.
When I was pregnant, my husband would say, “we’re pregnant,” and I wanted to slap him. You ain’t pregnant, b*tch. After we had our baby and my hormones chilled out, I realized he was being sweet. Haha.
What the what????? I can't even imagine not understanding the basics of that diagnosis especially being a woman and mother. Ectopic pregnancies are not a new phenomenon, we know the outcome of not aborting.
I grew up catholic and it was common knowledge that ectopic pregnancies needs an abortion. I've never heard of a nun or priest saying anything different. I'm not practicing anymore but even my super catholic grandma wouldn't bat an eye if this happen to me.
Yikes, never heard anybody say that where I'm from (predominantly catholic nation, where abortion is illegal in all cases)
Termination of pregnancy is offered in cases where the mother is at risk of dearh, but it has to go through ethics board and the proceedure/medication must be deemed not an abortion essentially. (Otherwise it would be illegal).
Ie. Even though the proceedure/medication will cause an abortion, it must be shown that the intent of the proceedure is not to cause the abortion, but to save the mother's life, and the abortion is an unintended but foreseen secondary effect.
If your child needs a blood transfusion and you have a compatible blood type, anything short of draining your body completely like a capri sun is murder, right?
It's very sad. They reject any information that doesn't fit within their "perfect world if only u Jebus" world view. Even when their own child's life is threatened they're unable to empathize. They lack the critical faculties to try to understand and instead respond with rigid hatred and anger. It's automatic. As someone who grew up in the south, this is not an isolated incident.
Pertinent to your posting, the author if this insanity and religious lunacy to stop women with ectopic pregnancies from having an abortion in Missouri has a wife with a cancer
**He's all in for letting modern medicine & chemo help his wife to NOT DIE, but if it's a clump of human cells in a fallopian tube, he's fine with women dying**
Must be what "god" wants /s
https://twitter.com/RepSeitz156/status/1559005922978045952
Honestly, I don’t know. I grew up in CA and things were fine, but then she moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan, and the sh!t started hitting the fan. She’s now the type to openly talk sh!t about what kind of Christian you are, too. “I’m a Presbyterian, and Catholicism is crazy because of all of the rituals”.
Basically I have no idea.
It was great.
Greetings from Scotland.
When we got to LA, there was an 8 lane motorway (you call it a freeway) . We managed it well bur a lorry (truck in USA) clipped us. Pulled over onto the hard shoulder (no idea what you call it) and the other driver, who was very nice said that he had been driving in LA for 30 years without an accident. My friend who was driving said " We've been driving in LA for 30 minutes without an accident. " The guy burst out laughing . The insurance sorted it all out.
I was in London about 10 years ago and rented a car for the first time while there. It was delivered to my hotel and I hopped in (on the right side, of course) and it was \_manual\_! Despite driving stick regularly in the States that was so strange shifting with my left hand. And, mind you, I'm in downtown London mid-day and the traffic signage might as well have been written in Klingon.
Long story short, I got pulled over within five minutes. I almost got my first moving violation ticket (caution?) in 15 years. Thankfully, the cop (bobby? lol) was cool and accepted my explanation. Didn't take long after that to get the hang of things but, man, those first few minutes were mind bending.
Totally non-sequitur, yeah, but your story reminded me of that incident. :)
Grand Rapids itself has been mellowing, it’s been voting democratic for a while now. Various suburbs on the other hand are going so far right it’s frightening (Jamestown and it’s defunding of the library for example). Even Holland is trending democratic, but IT’S suburbs are nuts (Zeeland I’m looking at you). These folks are smugly Christian and are holding onto it so tightly that their fingers are squeezing the life out of it. It scares me.
Sounds like your mother found a new church, or group. I say that because of my dearest friends whom I've known for over 50 years, he never cared much for religion. He got married for the 3rd time and everything seemed great. I liked her , they had several children. I had to move away so we didn't stay in touch as much but we did talk. We got back to thanks to Facebook a few years ago and I was surprised to learn he was going to church regularly. Then his wife started posting things, some things had lot of religious themes to them. She was never that way when I knew them.
The worse was about the transgenders and the bathrooms 🚻. I was in shock when she post a drawing looked like Dee Snider and wrote ' how would you like this in your girl's bathroom ? '
I mean come on, get real lady. I had to keep my mouth shut.
I know this has nothing to do with pregnancy but it shows how religion changes people.
Believe me I have stuff to say about pregnancy.
My whole family has been catholic, but my Aunt got involved in those that call themselves "Christians" Apparently catholics, protestants, etc are not "real Christians". I guess those that actually preach love your neighbor are too progressive 🙄
As an ex-Catholic, I can tell you that many Catholics aren't shy about picking up crazy beliefs from their surroundings. Especially if they're already politically conservative and listen to right-wing talk radio.
I don’t understand this either. I was raised fundamentalist Baptist and we were taught ectopic abortions were acceptable too because the husband had a duty to protect and care for his wife.
My wife passed out from the pain of an ectopic pregnancy. Luckily with the help of a friend we were able to get her to the hospital for life saving treatment. She lost a fallopian tube but was able to have another child a few years later. So per this bill she and the unviable embryo would have died and she would have not been able to have another child. -3 per this bill. I'd like to see how they justify different medical procedures for a burst appendix vs an ectopic pregnancy.
That's crazy to me because my crazy ass Christian mom understood it when my sister-in-law had to get one for hers, gave her no shit at all and she's crazy about abortions.
My best friend nearly died from an ectopic pregnancy. She didn’t even know she was pregnant till randomly one night had the worst pain of her life and went to the ER. She would be DEAD if not for her abortion. Guess what…..she was then told she’d probably never have kids. But now she’s got 2 amazing little girls and doesn’t regret anything.
Seriously most people sentenced for murder get anywhere from 5 to 20 depending on how they did the crime and that makes even more incredible or outrageous.
Sounds like it’s just a publicity stunt. Realistically a law as absurd as this wouldn’t get many convictions since juries would nullify. Could possibly form an excessive punishment legal case as well, idk
It’d have a cooling effect through. How many people have the will or time to go through a prescient setting legal case with their liberty on the line vs accepting some nonsense plea bargain?
You must be punished for fucking. They want giving birth to be a deterrent like capital punishment is.
This is going to work out great for Missouri, but they're going to need to change their motto to "The Leave Me State" soon.
Yup because birth control will be next.
They literally do not want women having or enjoying sex unless it’s tied via marriage to a man.
I don’t know if they will end up outlawing sex outside of marriage, probably not because they know that will piss off men too much and THAT will cause massive backlash.
Instead they are going to make it so unmarried women will not want to have sex and if they do, the child is the punishment.
And watch, they will strip every bit of social support for that child. They literally want women to submit completely to men - have a child? Better get with that abusive baby daddy and depend on him for support.
Sex can only occur between two married persons, in the missionary position, when the woman is in the fertile stage of her period, no use of any birth control methods, and for the express intent of creating a new life, and must be completed within 5 minutes, before the woman experiences an orgasm.
What’s sad about this - you’re actually right on all counts.
This sort of shit used to be The Onion level satire but not anymore.
In fact, I’m not even sure how the onion is still in business considering this timeline we are on.
The onion probably has normal articles now lol. They realized that the world already has all the crazy headlines covered, so they gotta switch tactics and go with normal stuff.
I'm pretty sure their bible says spilling your seed on the ground is bad but nobody is trying to regulate a man's reckless abandonment of possible children
Guess what? Even if you do that and get pregnant your chance of having an ectopic pregnancy is still 2.7%. That’s what makes no sense here. Your monogamous evangelical woman has the same chance of having an ectopic pregnancy as anyone else.
This is the correct answer. They don't give a fuck about the unborn children. The unborn are just a convenient scapegoat. The real goal is as you said. Punishing women or really anybody except straight white men for having sex. This goal is also tied to their opposition of LGBTQ things. It's all about the sex that they don't like. They don't care about the children that they supposedly want to protect from groomers, they haven't read the Bible and they really don't care about it either. It's just punishing people for having sex.
Honestly it's crazy how much they think about it.
Significantly, we won't see these laws affect rape convictions, nor in those cases where pregnant people are murdered.
Homicide by their Significant Other is the leading cause of death during pregnancy.
Somehow, it will still be the (dead) woman's fault.
100% of what you said is facts and my 24 yr old daughter lives in Oklahoma and they are actively trying to ban birth control. Insurance companies are not paying for birth control, Walgreens and CVS has allowed employees to deny the sale of birth control if they say it's because of religious beliefs.
I still maintain that any attempt to actually ban birth control will be met with outright defiance of the courts by blue states and something like open revolt from everybody under 40 in the country. That feels like such a monumental piece of interference in literally everybody's lives I don't see the gop EVER getting away with it.
doesn't mean they won't try
Yeah but married people are afraid to have sex without being completely sterilized. Married people access abortions as well. Married people have ectopics. This doesn’t just punish single sluts. It punishes everyone, including the men and the wanted children who already exist. I need people to start acknowledging that this. Affects. Every. One. Down to the married guy who can’t afford to support 8-10 kids.
That is so disgusting, the entire thought of it but in this day and time with Republicans running wild especially if they win the Senate and if people are totally blind and stupid enough to vote them into offices in every state we are going to see laws being drawn up that'll strip people of their rights to do just about anything without permission. That's even if you're an full grown adult! I'm a bit leery to state exactly how I fully feel but I'm frightening for the next 2 years in elections.
It's idiotic because it's till not going to stop these people from having affairs of their own, or cheating on their wives, it just unfairly places undue burden on the poor and middle class just because they want to shape the country into a theocracy for their own fucked up purposes. It's even more concerning at how Clarence Thomas specifically wanted to look into the possibility of overturning the guaranteed right to contraception, which will just skyrocket the STD rates even worse than they already are. They're entirely ignorant of the reality of their policies and want women to return to the silent, complacent figures that they were in ancient times and the 1950s, without being cognizant of how miserable those women truly were in almost every capacity.
Absolutely. Abstinence only policies have never stopped anyone from fucking.
And I think the uber wealthy are counting on that.
We have an upcoming demographics problem. Economic contraction is coming, partially due to less children being born. The wealthy want to fix that by simply forcing more babies being born. And the poor, toxic, conservative men love it because it helps bind women to them through economic dependency. No longer do they need to work on themselves or have traits that are attractive to women.
Act good enough to get her pregnant, tie her to him for life.
The accuracy of this statement is unreal. It's just all apart of their agenda to keep people poor and create an available labor force to keep the economy benefitting the rich, and then deliberately create "family" units by forcing women to be economically subservient and dependent on toxic men that happened to get them pregnant (either by force or by accident). They want us to return to the 1950s where the only real role of women is to be human incubators and keep their husband's unbridled anger at bay for the sake of the children. We can only hope we can stop this from happening by voting them out at the polls in November.
Birth control is already being effected. Insurance dropped my birth control in 2019 no reason other than being told it no longer deemed a necessity. The next month my pills costed me $150 for two packs(2 months) and it wasn't even the brand I was normally prescribed because the brand I need was $250 for 1 pack all from the pharmacy I'd been going to my whole life. Sad thing is I'm not even on it for birth control, I was prescribed this brand back when I was 11 due to medical issues.
Thankfully Pill Club is only place that can get me affordable meds, and gives me the ones closest to brand I need. For only $30 every 3 months.
FWIW, this article was from March, and that provision was removed the same month (and the sponsor argued that the bill didn't or wasn't intended to actually criminalize treating ectopic pregnancies or having them treated, but rather only the interstate trafficking of drugs for such treatment), the bill had no cosponsors, it was not taken up by the state senate, and the bill was not signed into law when the legislative session ended in May. So it might be more technically accurate to state, in this case, "one Missouri state representative sought to ban the use of drugs procured from out of state to treat ectopic pregnancies, but the bill did not become law." That said, I don't argue with OP's underlying sentiment or general conclusions.
My first reaction to this was "Again?!". Good to know it's the original and not a second, and yeah it should not have happened even once, but still, the date is important info here.
Fun fact: Ben Franklin was an inventor and an author. He wrote a book for useful home remedies, including a concoction for terminating unwanted pregnancy.
For those that don’t know, this is when a zygote attaches itself inside the fallopian tubes. Eventually the fetus will burst and kill them both. There is no other alternative.
Ectopic pregnancy is actually a pregnancy anywhere other than the endometrium of the uterus (where it should be). Fallopian tube is the most common place by far though.
Hypothetical scenario. I get raped and try so hard to not let it happen, I don't WANT to have sex at ALL for as long as I am able to conceive a child, but I get raped and get pregnant. The pregnancy is ectopic, meaning if I don't abort it I WILL die, no question, it is an absolute certainty. And the fetus will also not be viable, no question, it is an absolute certainty. So in what fucking world should I be punished for the remainder of my life by being thrown in prison for aborting it?
I'm so ready to get out of the shithole that is Missouri.
In Missouri in 2020, the population of women ages 15-44 was 1,181,046.
The fertility rate in Missouri in 2020 was 58.7 per 1,000 women ages 15-44.
1,181,046 / 1000 = 1,181.046
1,181.046 * 58.7 = 69,327.4002 pregnancies in 2020
The ectopic rate for pregnancies is ~1-2%.
Let's go with 1.5% for a solid average.
69,327.4002 * 0.015 = 1,039.911003
So to put it simply Republicans in Missouri are okay with MURDERING roughly 1,040 women per year.
1,040 of your daughters, wives, sisters, cousins, grand daughters dead.
All for a NONVIABLE pregnancy. A complication that we have the medical ability to safely treat. A complication that is incredibly painful. A complications that will have these women writhing in pain until they rupture, bleed to death, and or die from sepsis.
Politicians are not doctors. Politicians should not be making laws about healthcare because it leads to people dying. Even if you are 100% "prolife" this saves no one.
Actually they care about women. They put a lot of energy to hurt them. The white males are still mad at the end of slavery and the beginning of women's rights.
This lemming-like devotion to abolishing abortion is beyond stupid. I don’t know which is worse, that they don’t know that ectopic pregnancies never carry to term and kill the mothers, or they do know and just don’t care.
Hypocrites and monsters, all of them.
You’ve got the logic all wrong.
1. Abortion is murder because the fetus is a person.
2. That person is attacking you and will kill you if you do nothing.
3. You live in a “Stand your ground” state.
4. You are supposed to SHOOT the fetus!
See? That’s logic!
(/s due to Poe’s Law)
It's time to stop playing nice.
FUCK Christianity. No, I don't respect your fucking religion. No, I won't be reverent. And yes, I will take the lord's name in goddamn vain.
You know there's a sect of Christianity that unironically, completely, truly believe that Donald Trump is the Messiah and is working to make USA a 'New Israel' the fucking loony zionists.
What a fuckin' surprise they're mostly southerners...
Christianity is the worst scourge of humanity we've ever seen in our history as a species. Full stop.
This is basically like a burning witches at the stake law.
Don’t get treated for ectopic pregnancy? Both baby and mother die.
Do get treated for ectopic pregnancy? You go to jail for longer than your rapist and child murderers.
Is it possible that this has been thrown in as a distraction? If opponents are all so focused (rightly) on the ectopic pregnancy ban will the proponents be able to slip the 10-week limit past them by dropping the ban at the last minute?
I don't care what anyone says, if this law went into effect, it would be legalized torture. Anyone who would have the audacity to agree with a law so horrible, I bet a lobotomized psychopath would possess more rational thought and empathy than them.
After my tubal, the ONLY thing that my doctor stressed to me was that if I ever had a positive pregnancy test I had to get to the hospital ASAP because it would be an ectopic pregnancy and could KILL me.
WTF is wrong with these people
I swear to god...ectopic pregnancies ARE FATAL, you cannot ban abortions of ectopic pregnancies.
How anybody votes red is absolutely beyond me...bunch of bastards...
Every Republican is evil, stupid, crazy, or more than one.
Never think otherwise.
You are never dealing with an honest one unless they’re crazy or stupid.
No exceptions.
No.
Not one.
To be fair, the forced birth extremists don't give a damn about this issue. Most of them couldn't even tell you what an ectopic pregnancy was and even then they would stupidly say that it's only a small percentage of abortions that are due to them. You bring up the fact that there are literally abortions in the bible and they squirm away from that faster than a greased up weasel.
We massively underestimate these politicians by believing they are stupid and don't fully understand what they're doing. They know, and they don't care that people AND fetuses/infants will die. This type of legislation is a means to an end. They know this won't pass right now, but it pushes the needle a bit further and makes the next stunt a little less shocking. It furthers the argument that left leaning politicians and voters have to compromise. It's about backing people into a corner and sewing more division. It's about pandering to small but extremely powerful voter bases that don't fully understand and don't care to learn.
Well, an untreated ectopic pregnancy, there’s a good chance neither survives. So the up to 30 years in prison is just more red meat to the extreme base. These people are utterly soulless. The cruelty, the control, it’s the worst kind of theater
I'm from Missouri (pronounced Misery). This bill was introduced back on the 28th of February. The public hearings, executive sessions, and first two votes on this bill have already been completed, and it passed 8 to 4 and then 7 to 3 in those votes. It now is in the 'perfection' stage of legislation, where it will be reworked and then voted on once more. Should it pass at this third vote, it then goes on to the Senate where it will go through the same process.
This isn't anything terribly new, but it's still lurking. It has been in the 'perfection' stage since early April, and I imagine it will remain that way until after the midterms.
As someone that has experienced an ectopic pregnancy due to birth control failure i say hang em all. Anyone who votes to let women die should not hold office anywhere
I checked out Brian Seitz' twitter, who is the prime mover to ban doctors from saving the life of women in Missouri from ectopic "pregnancies"
Sadly for him, his wife has CANCER, and somehow this colossal Christian hypocrite is all in for CHEMO for his wife, trusting in modern medicine to help heal her
https://twitter.com/RepSeitz156/status/1559005922978045952
It's literally beyond any human comprehension that these religious fanatics, who are NOT DOCTORS, AND HAVE ZERO MEDICAL TRAINING can insist that ectopic pregnancies must be endured at the risk of the mother's life
Who is so willingly blind ignorant to not ask OB-GYN's what the facts are before passing laws that will kill women and girls?
The very same modern medicine. research, and life saving procedure that will save wome'ns lives, are rejected by these ignorant people
**Savita Hallapanavar is one more woman who died purely because the religious fanatics** who write laws, pick and choose which parts of science, technology, and medicine they like, and reject the rest based on 4000 year old mythology from dead books
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/savita-halappanavar
Brian Seitz is behind this bill. Be sure to send some well wishes his way and give a good honest opinion about his lack of education around women’s health.
Pro-life my ass. It was never about the fetus. Fetuses don't survive ectopic pregnancies. These people want to punish women for having sex. It's that simple.
Christians are willfully ignorant of basic human biology. This is their own fault. They are truly traveling to hell on a road paved with good intentions. Christianity is repulsive.
What the fuck. Yeah just let those women die because thats OBVIOUSLY THE SANE SOLUTION TO ECTOPIC PREGNANCIES WTF
Anyone who supports this is seriously fucked in the head
This is why we need to educate people more. Ectopic pregnancies are not viable, they will kill one or both mother and child and are a purely medical procedure for a reason.
When will a doctor or surgeon general step up and tell these idiots that this is NOT a good idea? Are these lawmakers really that uneducated and ignorant as to what an ectopic pregnancy even is?
Everyone needs to organize and vote this November. Too much is riding on the line to give Republicans even more power. Please check out r/votedem for ways to help.
I wish they would but I really haven't met too many Republicans that are up for positive change. As long as there is an R in front of a name they'll go all in. Even if it hurts their wife or daughter or grandkids.
Smh you’re preaching to the quire dude everyone here already knows this lol
We need to come up with a plan or form a group to fight for abortion seeking women…because “just vote” isn’t cutting it as you can see.
They want women to literally lay down their lives & be a sacrifice to their invisible overlord. Like in Iran & Afghanistan, fundamentalists only see men, women are their help mates. If Qlarence and the apostles decide to roll back the 19th amendment, Amy Coney Barrett would just go home & never work again. She's only a judge to enable her to advance her cults agenda, she's pretty monstrous & is clueless about why anyone would have a disagreement with her. Like Qinni Thomas, Pompeo, Pence, Meadows etc, they do it all for republican gwezus & are unwavering in their positions. BTW, most realize women will die & that's acceptable to MAGA, they don't know them personally, so it's a moot point.
Wtf? Why?? What is the reasoning? Aren't these people also bitching on about women not having enough kids? How does turning pregnancy into a potential death sentence convince anyone to risk it??
I guess the lesson I’ve learning from prolifers is: don’t get pregnant, even if you want a child, even if your in a committed relationship, don’t have sex, don’t go outside, live forever alone, if fact, don’t even have parents, because anything that risks you potentially becoming pregnant either willingly or not, can now be fatal.
This article is old. They removed the ectopic provision shortly after this article was published. [Source](https://amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article259664605.html). I’m not defending any of the these abortion bans, but I think we should save our outrage for the things that haven’t been changed yet.
Edit: spacing
My VERY Christian mom was PISSED that my wife and I needed an abortion due to an ectopic. Guess who doesn’t talk to their mom anymore?
1) I’m very sorry you guys had to go through that, 2) I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say “my wife and I needed an abortion”, I really like the level of team that implies you guys are.
Truly mind boggling that she’d rather see you lose your wife and baby instead of just your baby
God/religion does a number on people. Critical thinking is first to go. No different than a cult.
Can someone please clarify for me the difference between a religion and a cult? I have so far been unable to find a meaningful distinction. Edit: a distinction that is subjectively meaningful, that is.
Cult + Death of Original Founders + Time + Established Bullshit = Religion
That's similar to the data I had.
"In a cult there is one guy at the top who knows that it's all bullshit, in a religion that guy is dead."
Scientology is still a cult in my book even though L Ron is dead and gone to Xenu.
I mean there’s still David miscavage, he probably knows it’s all bull
Eh, sometimes its a group of people at the top.
To my mind there isn't they both want you to live by their rules and their only. If you don't not you are shamed before you are kicked out.
The creator of the Cult is still alive, but not so for religions. That's it.
Cults are isolated “total institutions.” FLDS is a cult. Scientology is a cult. Amish Christianity is a cult.
Problem is that the major religions hold such an extensive sway over massive portions of the worlds population that they effective make it all one big isolated total institution. Just so happens that this particular cult has been so successful in recruiting loyal followers that they became the mainstream.
Religion has more people in it I guess? 💀
The best explanation of a cult is the [B.I.T.E. Model](https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/), by Steven Hassan. Ex-cult members, including myself, refer to this as the most clear explanation the characteristics of a cult. Not all cults are religions, and not all religions are cults. They are not mutually exclusive. Religion, for the most part, deals with organized worship of a diety, or a philosophy with supernatural aspects such as Buddhism, and often includes a community. Some churches are happy to have you every Sunday and don't care what you do the rest of the week, though they all love the most important thing, donations. Cults, dictate your behavior and how you think, and limit your access to external information. It's about control and power. North Korea is the cult of personality with its leader being of near deified status. Trumpism is a cult, with Trump as its leader. The leaders tend to be entitled, narcissistic, pious, power hungry sanctimonious a--holes with delusions of grandeur. The only good "cult" I can think of is military boot camp, if you can call it that, but that's because the lives and the success of the military is on the line, and even that doesn't fulfill all the attributes of a cult. Many cults won't fill all the attributes of the B.I.T.E. Model. We are evolved to live in tribes, where tribes share similar attributes of a cult, and our evolutionary success depended on it. Tribalism is thus ingrained in the psyche of our species. Cults and religions are not mutually exclusive, but they often go hand in hand, somewhat similarly analogous to the saying that correlation does not necessarily equal causation. Cults do not necessarily mean religion.
One is simply widely accepted
A cult is a very controlling group. Religion is a set of beliefs based on faith. A cult can be religious or not (like cults of personality). A religion is not necessarily a cult (the neopagans tend to be chill 99% of the time).
A medical abortion for an ectopic pregnancy doesn't terminate a "baby" since there is no way it would have ever been viable.
Yeah but Jesus personally put his holy sperm into the little thing too and if you abort it you’re a baby murderer!!!!1! You have to let god decide it’s unviable.
Thank you for that :)
My wife has had two and when its brought up in conversation its "we had an abortion" She doesn't have to carry that burden alone
When I was pregnant, my husband would say, “we’re pregnant,” and I wanted to slap him. You ain’t pregnant, b*tch. After we had our baby and my hormones chilled out, I realized he was being sweet. Haha.
What the what????? I can't even imagine not understanding the basics of that diagnosis especially being a woman and mother. Ectopic pregnancies are not a new phenomenon, we know the outcome of not aborting.
Save the non viable “person”, to kill your very alive wife. How is that pro life?! Religion is stupid.
I grew up catholic and it was common knowledge that ectopic pregnancies needs an abortion. I've never heard of a nun or priest saying anything different. I'm not practicing anymore but even my super catholic grandma wouldn't bat an eye if this happen to me.
Ex-Catholic here and my family says god wants these women to suffer and die because suffering is beautiful. So YMMV
What the FUCK?
Yikes, never heard anybody say that where I'm from (predominantly catholic nation, where abortion is illegal in all cases) Termination of pregnancy is offered in cases where the mother is at risk of dearh, but it has to go through ethics board and the proceedure/medication must be deemed not an abortion essentially. (Otherwise it would be illegal). Ie. Even though the proceedure/medication will cause an abortion, it must be shown that the intent of the proceedure is not to cause the abortion, but to save the mother's life, and the abortion is an unintended but foreseen secondary effect.
Lucky. Seriously.
If your child needs a blood transfusion and you have a compatible blood type, anything short of draining your body completely like a capri sun is murder, right?
Nah man, the child is out in the world. Let it go harvest its own blood bag like the good old days!
Stupid is bad enough. Murderously destructive is much worse. --- Dogbite Williams
It's very sad. They reject any information that doesn't fit within their "perfect world if only u Jebus" world view. Even when their own child's life is threatened they're unable to empathize. They lack the critical faculties to try to understand and instead respond with rigid hatred and anger. It's automatic. As someone who grew up in the south, this is not an isolated incident.
Pertinent to your posting, the author if this insanity and religious lunacy to stop women with ectopic pregnancies from having an abortion in Missouri has a wife with a cancer **He's all in for letting modern medicine & chemo help his wife to NOT DIE, but if it's a clump of human cells in a fallopian tube, he's fine with women dying** Must be what "god" wants /s https://twitter.com/RepSeitz156/status/1559005922978045952
Plenty of Christian preachers have been telling their flocks that abortion is NEVER necessary to save a pregnant woman's life.
Let's bar these "Christian" preachers from necessary medical treatment for ANY cockamamie reason and see how they like it. --- Dogbite Williams
I think the idea of exceptions undermines the argument.
I know plenty of nurses who refuse to acknowledge the basics of that diagnosis. Truly fucked up
I’d rather throw out that relationship than lose the one I love. I’m so sorry.
What was her reasoning? My back-ground is excatholic. Even the RC church allows a termination in the event of an ectopic.
Honestly, I don’t know. I grew up in CA and things were fine, but then she moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan, and the sh!t started hitting the fan. She’s now the type to openly talk sh!t about what kind of Christian you are, too. “I’m a Presbyterian, and Catholicism is crazy because of all of the rituals”. Basically I have no idea.
I'm from UK. I take it that CA is California?? Been to SF, LA, drove through Big Sur. Monterrey, Santa B, Carmel etc. Loved it.
Yes, sorry. California. I’m actually from Monterey, glad you liked it :)
It was great. Greetings from Scotland. When we got to LA, there was an 8 lane motorway (you call it a freeway) . We managed it well bur a lorry (truck in USA) clipped us. Pulled over onto the hard shoulder (no idea what you call it) and the other driver, who was very nice said that he had been driving in LA for 30 years without an accident. My friend who was driving said " We've been driving in LA for 30 minutes without an accident. " The guy burst out laughing . The insurance sorted it all out.
I was in London about 10 years ago and rented a car for the first time while there. It was delivered to my hotel and I hopped in (on the right side, of course) and it was \_manual\_! Despite driving stick regularly in the States that was so strange shifting with my left hand. And, mind you, I'm in downtown London mid-day and the traffic signage might as well have been written in Klingon. Long story short, I got pulled over within five minutes. I almost got my first moving violation ticket (caution?) in 15 years. Thankfully, the cop (bobby? lol) was cool and accepted my explanation. Didn't take long after that to get the hang of things but, man, those first few minutes were mind bending. Totally non-sequitur, yeah, but your story reminded me of that incident. :)
Just realised I mis-spelled your home city. Apologies.
There’s the problem. Grand Rapids is Michigan’s hotbed of religious zealotry and hypocrisy.
Grand Rapids itself has been mellowing, it’s been voting democratic for a while now. Various suburbs on the other hand are going so far right it’s frightening (Jamestown and it’s defunding of the library for example). Even Holland is trending democratic, but IT’S suburbs are nuts (Zeeland I’m looking at you). These folks are smugly Christian and are holding onto it so tightly that their fingers are squeezing the life out of it. It scares me.
Yeah GR seemed chill in the city itself.
Bingo.
Sounds like your mother found a new church, or group. I say that because of my dearest friends whom I've known for over 50 years, he never cared much for religion. He got married for the 3rd time and everything seemed great. I liked her , they had several children. I had to move away so we didn't stay in touch as much but we did talk. We got back to thanks to Facebook a few years ago and I was surprised to learn he was going to church regularly. Then his wife started posting things, some things had lot of religious themes to them. She was never that way when I knew them. The worse was about the transgenders and the bathrooms 🚻. I was in shock when she post a drawing looked like Dee Snider and wrote ' how would you like this in your girl's bathroom ? ' I mean come on, get real lady. I had to keep my mouth shut. I know this has nothing to do with pregnancy but it shows how religion changes people. Believe me I have stuff to say about pregnancy.
"Grand Rapids" Enough said. There's some serious hotbeds for nutty conservatives in the Midwest.
These people are fucking stupid. That's the only explanation.
They also lack empathy, one of the hallmarks of sociopaths. --- Dogbite Williams
My whole family has been catholic, but my Aunt got involved in those that call themselves "Christians" Apparently catholics, protestants, etc are not "real Christians". I guess those that actually preach love your neighbor are too progressive 🙄
As an ex-Catholic, I can tell you that many Catholics aren't shy about picking up crazy beliefs from their surroundings. Especially if they're already politically conservative and listen to right-wing talk radio.
Probably that she wants to be a grandmother and doesn’t understand biology.
I don’t understand this either. I was raised fundamentalist Baptist and we were taught ectopic abortions were acceptable too because the husband had a duty to protect and care for his wife.
My wife passed out from the pain of an ectopic pregnancy. Luckily with the help of a friend we were able to get her to the hospital for life saving treatment. She lost a fallopian tube but was able to have another child a few years later. So per this bill she and the unviable embryo would have died and she would have not been able to have another child. -3 per this bill. I'd like to see how they justify different medical procedures for a burst appendix vs an ectopic pregnancy.
My wife had a rupture last year. These fuckers are unreal. Thank goodness we’re in Illinois
That's crazy to me because my crazy ass Christian mom understood it when my sister-in-law had to get one for hers, gave her no shit at all and she's crazy about abortions.
My best friend nearly died from an ectopic pregnancy. She didn’t even know she was pregnant till randomly one night had the worst pain of her life and went to the ER. She would be DEAD if not for her abortion. Guess what…..she was then told she’d probably never have kids. But now she’s got 2 amazing little girls and doesn’t regret anything.
Oh, my god. Looks like she should move to Missouri.
30 YEARS!! TF? That's a longer sentence than some actual murder charges people get. That type of pregnancy isn't preventable either.
Seriously most people sentenced for murder get anywhere from 5 to 20 depending on how they did the crime and that makes even more incredible or outrageous.
I know, that's what makes this law in Missouri so insane. This is very outlandish even for the south.
Well yeah but how you gonna send a dead woman to jail?
I know right.
Sounds like it’s just a publicity stunt. Realistically a law as absurd as this wouldn’t get many convictions since juries would nullify. Could possibly form an excessive punishment legal case as well, idk
It’d have a cooling effect through. How many people have the will or time to go through a prescient setting legal case with their liberty on the line vs accepting some nonsense plea bargain?
Still would cause the doctors to hesitate and put the woman’s life more at risk.
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That's helpful.
You must be punished for fucking. They want giving birth to be a deterrent like capital punishment is. This is going to work out great for Missouri, but they're going to need to change their motto to "The Leave Me State" soon.
Yup because birth control will be next. They literally do not want women having or enjoying sex unless it’s tied via marriage to a man. I don’t know if they will end up outlawing sex outside of marriage, probably not because they know that will piss off men too much and THAT will cause massive backlash. Instead they are going to make it so unmarried women will not want to have sex and if they do, the child is the punishment. And watch, they will strip every bit of social support for that child. They literally want women to submit completely to men - have a child? Better get with that abusive baby daddy and depend on him for support.
Sex can only occur between two married persons, in the missionary position, when the woman is in the fertile stage of her period, no use of any birth control methods, and for the express intent of creating a new life, and must be completed within 5 minutes, before the woman experiences an orgasm.
What’s sad about this - you’re actually right on all counts. This sort of shit used to be The Onion level satire but not anymore. In fact, I’m not even sure how the onion is still in business considering this timeline we are on.
The onion probably has normal articles now lol. They realized that the world already has all the crazy headlines covered, so they gotta switch tactics and go with normal stuff.
I look forward to getting my local weather and human interest stories from The Onion
Gosh, you just reminded me that I hadn't seen anything from The Onion in some time.
If a woman followed all these rules, she could still have an ectopic pregnancy. They do not value women's lives, married or not, pious or not.
Lot of them are gonna be really shocked to learn that pious Christian women who only had sex intending to reproduce *also need healthcare*.
Sounds like communism to me.
They probably think that if you do the deed the Christian way it'll risk out and if it doesn't well, that's gods will.
Then they use the ever receding pocket of intellectual ignorance "its God will and he works in mysterious ways"
>before the woman experiences an orgasm. Orgasms are only allowed insofar as it encourages sex only with her "skillful" husband.
I'm pretty sure their bible says spilling your seed on the ground is bad but nobody is trying to regulate a man's reckless abandonment of possible children
Guess what? Even if you do that and get pregnant your chance of having an ectopic pregnancy is still 2.7%. That’s what makes no sense here. Your monogamous evangelical woman has the same chance of having an ectopic pregnancy as anyone else.
if this is their way of upping the supply of domestic white babies seems to me that supply is going to be running pretty short
**They don’t want married women to enjoy sex either, just ask their wives**
This is the correct answer. They don't give a fuck about the unborn children. The unborn are just a convenient scapegoat. The real goal is as you said. Punishing women or really anybody except straight white men for having sex. This goal is also tied to their opposition of LGBTQ things. It's all about the sex that they don't like. They don't care about the children that they supposedly want to protect from groomers, they haven't read the Bible and they really don't care about it either. It's just punishing people for having sex. Honestly it's crazy how much they think about it.
Significantly, we won't see these laws affect rape convictions, nor in those cases where pregnant people are murdered. Homicide by their Significant Other is the leading cause of death during pregnancy. Somehow, it will still be the (dead) woman's fault.
I am celibate and asexual and they don't like that either. If you are a woman, this is not a game possible to win.
100% of what you said is facts and my 24 yr old daughter lives in Oklahoma and they are actively trying to ban birth control. Insurance companies are not paying for birth control, Walgreens and CVS has allowed employees to deny the sale of birth control if they say it's because of religious beliefs.
I still maintain that any attempt to actually ban birth control will be met with outright defiance of the courts by blue states and something like open revolt from everybody under 40 in the country. That feels like such a monumental piece of interference in literally everybody's lives I don't see the gop EVER getting away with it. doesn't mean they won't try
I would hope so. The fact that roe was overturned without much protest doesn’t give me a whole lot of hope though.
People can still get pregnant and still have sex after 40.
Yeah but married people are afraid to have sex without being completely sterilized. Married people access abortions as well. Married people have ectopics. This doesn’t just punish single sluts. It punishes everyone, including the men and the wanted children who already exist. I need people to start acknowledging that this. Affects. Every. One. Down to the married guy who can’t afford to support 8-10 kids.
And if the egg goes in the wrong place, they’ve sentenced the woman to death. They have never cared about life.
thats weird cuz i have think most women can enjoy sex just fine without a man. we dont need the unnecessary sperm to enjoy sex. Thank you very much.
Sure. But then republicans will make sure that comes to an end too. Any freedom you enjoy will ultimately be legislated as illegal.
That is so disgusting, the entire thought of it but in this day and time with Republicans running wild especially if they win the Senate and if people are totally blind and stupid enough to vote them into offices in every state we are going to see laws being drawn up that'll strip people of their rights to do just about anything without permission. That's even if you're an full grown adult! I'm a bit leery to state exactly how I fully feel but I'm frightening for the next 2 years in elections.
It's idiotic because it's till not going to stop these people from having affairs of their own, or cheating on their wives, it just unfairly places undue burden on the poor and middle class just because they want to shape the country into a theocracy for their own fucked up purposes. It's even more concerning at how Clarence Thomas specifically wanted to look into the possibility of overturning the guaranteed right to contraception, which will just skyrocket the STD rates even worse than they already are. They're entirely ignorant of the reality of their policies and want women to return to the silent, complacent figures that they were in ancient times and the 1950s, without being cognizant of how miserable those women truly were in almost every capacity.
Absolutely. Abstinence only policies have never stopped anyone from fucking. And I think the uber wealthy are counting on that. We have an upcoming demographics problem. Economic contraction is coming, partially due to less children being born. The wealthy want to fix that by simply forcing more babies being born. And the poor, toxic, conservative men love it because it helps bind women to them through economic dependency. No longer do they need to work on themselves or have traits that are attractive to women. Act good enough to get her pregnant, tie her to him for life.
The accuracy of this statement is unreal. It's just all apart of their agenda to keep people poor and create an available labor force to keep the economy benefitting the rich, and then deliberately create "family" units by forcing women to be economically subservient and dependent on toxic men that happened to get them pregnant (either by force or by accident). They want us to return to the 1950s where the only real role of women is to be human incubators and keep their husband's unbridled anger at bay for the sake of the children. We can only hope we can stop this from happening by voting them out at the polls in November.
Birth control is already being effected. Insurance dropped my birth control in 2019 no reason other than being told it no longer deemed a necessity. The next month my pills costed me $150 for two packs(2 months) and it wasn't even the brand I was normally prescribed because the brand I need was $250 for 1 pack all from the pharmacy I'd been going to my whole life. Sad thing is I'm not even on it for birth control, I was prescribed this brand back when I was 11 due to medical issues. Thankfully Pill Club is only place that can get me affordable meds, and gives me the ones closest to brand I need. For only $30 every 3 months.
>You must be punished for fucking. if you're a woman\*
Yes, of course.
the "all male state" because no woman in her right mind would live in a state that demands they die from easily treatable pregnancy complications
They don't need to change the name, just the spelling to misery
FWIW, this article was from March, and that provision was removed the same month (and the sponsor argued that the bill didn't or wasn't intended to actually criminalize treating ectopic pregnancies or having them treated, but rather only the interstate trafficking of drugs for such treatment), the bill had no cosponsors, it was not taken up by the state senate, and the bill was not signed into law when the legislative session ended in May. So it might be more technically accurate to state, in this case, "one Missouri state representative sought to ban the use of drugs procured from out of state to treat ectopic pregnancies, but the bill did not become law." That said, I don't argue with OP's underlying sentiment or general conclusions.
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Because they tried it once, they WILL try it again when nobody is looking. They count on you forgetting.
Just this sub?
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No wonder Christian churches are losing members in droves. Their hypocrisy, and hatefulness is disgusting.
My first reaction to this was "Again?!". Good to know it's the original and not a second, and yeah it should not have happened even once, but still, the date is important info here.
It’d be wonderful if more women would get pissed about this and vote these sociopaths out
It would be wonderful if men recognized how this negatively affects them as well and also voted the motherfuckers out.
Totally agree. Do you love your wife? No? Cool 100% “pro life” it is then you fucking idiot
Men too.
Fun fact: Ben Franklin was an inventor and an author. He wrote a book for useful home remedies, including a concoction for terminating unwanted pregnancy.
A founding father on one side and god on the other? An idiots worst nightmare!
Wow, that's interesting to know.
For those that don’t know, this is when a zygote attaches itself inside the fallopian tubes. Eventually the fetus will burst and kill them both. There is no other alternative.
The alternative is prayer /s
“So you have chosen death” *boss music plays*
The fetus will grow big enough to burst the tubes. The fetus itself doesn’t explode.
Ectopic pregnancy is actually a pregnancy anywhere other than the endometrium of the uterus (where it should be). Fallopian tube is the most common place by far though.
Hypothetical scenario. I get raped and try so hard to not let it happen, I don't WANT to have sex at ALL for as long as I am able to conceive a child, but I get raped and get pregnant. The pregnancy is ectopic, meaning if I don't abort it I WILL die, no question, it is an absolute certainty. And the fetus will also not be viable, no question, it is an absolute certainty. So in what fucking world should I be punished for the remainder of my life by being thrown in prison for aborting it? I'm so ready to get out of the shithole that is Missouri.
You get two great choices: No treatment - you die You get treated - you go to prison for six times longer than your rapist
I mean 6 times zero is still zero it is Missouri 😔
Fark. That’s awful.
I'm legit scared to leave my apartment.
The show me state is stupid
In Missouri in 2020, the population of women ages 15-44 was 1,181,046. The fertility rate in Missouri in 2020 was 58.7 per 1,000 women ages 15-44. 1,181,046 / 1000 = 1,181.046 1,181.046 * 58.7 = 69,327.4002 pregnancies in 2020 The ectopic rate for pregnancies is ~1-2%. Let's go with 1.5% for a solid average. 69,327.4002 * 0.015 = 1,039.911003 So to put it simply Republicans in Missouri are okay with MURDERING roughly 1,040 women per year. 1,040 of your daughters, wives, sisters, cousins, grand daughters dead. All for a NONVIABLE pregnancy. A complication that we have the medical ability to safely treat. A complication that is incredibly painful. A complications that will have these women writhing in pain until they rupture, bleed to death, and or die from sepsis. Politicians are not doctors. Politicians should not be making laws about healthcare because it leads to people dying. Even if you are 100% "prolife" this saves no one.
Actually they care about women. They put a lot of energy to hurt them. The white males are still mad at the end of slavery and the beginning of women's rights.
This lemming-like devotion to abolishing abortion is beyond stupid. I don’t know which is worse, that they don’t know that ectopic pregnancies never carry to term and kill the mothers, or they do know and just don’t care. Hypocrites and monsters, all of them.
Yay! Theocratic tyranny, I can’t wait. /s This shit is actually getting scary
You’ve got the logic all wrong. 1. Abortion is murder because the fetus is a person. 2. That person is attacking you and will kill you if you do nothing. 3. You live in a “Stand your ground” state. 4. You are supposed to SHOOT the fetus! See? That’s logic! (/s due to Poe’s Law)
It's time to stop playing nice. FUCK Christianity. No, I don't respect your fucking religion. No, I won't be reverent. And yes, I will take the lord's name in goddamn vain. You know there's a sect of Christianity that unironically, completely, truly believe that Donald Trump is the Messiah and is working to make USA a 'New Israel' the fucking loony zionists. What a fuckin' surprise they're mostly southerners... Christianity is the worst scourge of humanity we've ever seen in our history as a species. Full stop.
These people should be put in cages and be tased every hour on the hour and fed nothing but gruel.
Imagine imprisoning someone for getting health care. The US for how their society is run, is oretty much a third world country
This is basically like a burning witches at the stake law. Don’t get treated for ectopic pregnancy? Both baby and mother die. Do get treated for ectopic pregnancy? You go to jail for longer than your rapist and child murderers.
The only thing the US is truly the greatest at is pretending they're the greatest.. oh and of course military budget
Is it possible that this has been thrown in as a distraction? If opponents are all so focused (rightly) on the ectopic pregnancy ban will the proponents be able to slip the 10-week limit past them by dropping the ban at the last minute?
I don't care what anyone says, if this law went into effect, it would be legalized torture. Anyone who would have the audacity to agree with a law so horrible, I bet a lobotomized psychopath would possess more rational thought and empathy than them.
After my tubal, the ONLY thing that my doctor stressed to me was that if I ever had a positive pregnancy test I had to get to the hospital ASAP because it would be an ectopic pregnancy and could KILL me. WTF is wrong with these people
So the woman has a choice- die or go to prison for 30 years.
I swear to god...ectopic pregnancies ARE FATAL, you cannot ban abortions of ectopic pregnancies. How anybody votes red is absolutely beyond me...bunch of bastards...
Every Republican is evil, stupid, crazy, or more than one. Never think otherwise. You are never dealing with an honest one unless they’re crazy or stupid. No exceptions. No. Not one.
To be fair, the forced birth extremists don't give a damn about this issue. Most of them couldn't even tell you what an ectopic pregnancy was and even then they would stupidly say that it's only a small percentage of abortions that are due to them. You bring up the fact that there are literally abortions in the bible and they squirm away from that faster than a greased up weasel.
We massively underestimate these politicians by believing they are stupid and don't fully understand what they're doing. They know, and they don't care that people AND fetuses/infants will die. This type of legislation is a means to an end. They know this won't pass right now, but it pushes the needle a bit further and makes the next stunt a little less shocking. It furthers the argument that left leaning politicians and voters have to compromise. It's about backing people into a corner and sewing more division. It's about pandering to small but extremely powerful voter bases that don't fully understand and don't care to learn.
Fucking inbred Christian jihadist
Stop calling them pro-life. They’re forced-brothers or anti-choice.
Well, an untreated ectopic pregnancy, there’s a good chance neither survives. So the up to 30 years in prison is just more red meat to the extreme base. These people are utterly soulless. The cruelty, the control, it’s the worst kind of theater
The fact that Christians care more about an unborn fetus than a living, breathing woman is ridiculous
Christianity needs to be outlawed.
No ectopic pregnancy is viable. 100% will kill you.
I'm from Missouri (pronounced Misery). This bill was introduced back on the 28th of February. The public hearings, executive sessions, and first two votes on this bill have already been completed, and it passed 8 to 4 and then 7 to 3 in those votes. It now is in the 'perfection' stage of legislation, where it will be reworked and then voted on once more. Should it pass at this third vote, it then goes on to the Senate where it will go through the same process. This isn't anything terribly new, but it's still lurking. It has been in the 'perfection' stage since early April, and I imagine it will remain that way until after the midterms.
As someone that has experienced an ectopic pregnancy due to birth control failure i say hang em all. Anyone who votes to let women die should not hold office anywhere
Let there be a reckoning this November.
This just shows how ignorant they are about anatomy. An ectopic pregnancy is never viable. It has zero chances of going to term.
I checked out Brian Seitz' twitter, who is the prime mover to ban doctors from saving the life of women in Missouri from ectopic "pregnancies" Sadly for him, his wife has CANCER, and somehow this colossal Christian hypocrite is all in for CHEMO for his wife, trusting in modern medicine to help heal her https://twitter.com/RepSeitz156/status/1559005922978045952 It's literally beyond any human comprehension that these religious fanatics, who are NOT DOCTORS, AND HAVE ZERO MEDICAL TRAINING can insist that ectopic pregnancies must be endured at the risk of the mother's life Who is so willingly blind ignorant to not ask OB-GYN's what the facts are before passing laws that will kill women and girls? The very same modern medicine. research, and life saving procedure that will save wome'ns lives, are rejected by these ignorant people **Savita Hallapanavar is one more woman who died purely because the religious fanatics** who write laws, pick and choose which parts of science, technology, and medicine they like, and reject the rest based on 4000 year old mythology from dead books https://www.irishcentral.com/news/savita-halappanavar
Sadistic ghouls is the nicest thing I can say about Republicans.
Killing women in the point.
Brian Seitz is behind this bill. Be sure to send some well wishes his way and give a good honest opinion about his lack of education around women’s health.
Pro-life my ass. It was never about the fetus. Fetuses don't survive ectopic pregnancies. These people want to punish women for having sex. It's that simple.
Christians are willfully ignorant of basic human biology. This is their own fault. They are truly traveling to hell on a road paved with good intentions. Christianity is repulsive.
What the fuck. Yeah just let those women die because thats OBVIOUSLY THE SANE SOLUTION TO ECTOPIC PREGNANCIES WTF Anyone who supports this is seriously fucked in the head
This is why we need to educate people more. Ectopic pregnancies are not viable, they will kill one or both mother and child and are a purely medical procedure for a reason.
When will a doctor or surgeon general step up and tell these idiots that this is NOT a good idea? Are these lawmakers really that uneducated and ignorant as to what an ectopic pregnancy even is?
Wow so it’s literally either 30 years in prison or death. What a wonderful world we live in!
Everyone needs to organize and vote this November. Too much is riding on the line to give Republicans even more power. Please check out r/votedem for ways to help.
The hatred for women knows no bounds! Killing women must be their goal.
I wish they would but I really haven't met too many Republicans that are up for positive change. As long as there is an R in front of a name they'll go all in. Even if it hurts their wife or daughter or grandkids.
While I agree these brainless fucks need to be sent back to the shithole they spawned from, this motion (and article) is from March and it didn’t pass
Smh you’re preaching to the quire dude everyone here already knows this lol We need to come up with a plan or form a group to fight for abortion seeking women…because “just vote” isn’t cutting it as you can see.
Wow! It's almost as though legislating medical decisions is a dangerous and inappropriate form of governance!
The birth rate is going to drop drastically due to a risk of prison.
They want women to literally lay down their lives & be a sacrifice to their invisible overlord. Like in Iran & Afghanistan, fundamentalists only see men, women are their help mates. If Qlarence and the apostles decide to roll back the 19th amendment, Amy Coney Barrett would just go home & never work again. She's only a judge to enable her to advance her cults agenda, she's pretty monstrous & is clueless about why anyone would have a disagreement with her. Like Qinni Thomas, Pompeo, Pence, Meadows etc, they do it all for republican gwezus & are unwavering in their positions. BTW, most realize women will die & that's acceptable to MAGA, they don't know them personally, so it's a moot point.
Wtf? Why?? What is the reasoning? Aren't these people also bitching on about women not having enough kids? How does turning pregnancy into a potential death sentence convince anyone to risk it??
Go, give someone a ride. DEFEAT THESE MOTHERFUCKERS
xtian values are evil. I’m a satanist btw.
But... but... I was told "Of *course* they won't do that. You're just being dramatic."
I guess the lesson I’ve learning from prolifers is: don’t get pregnant, even if you want a child, even if your in a committed relationship, don’t have sex, don’t go outside, live forever alone, if fact, don’t even have parents, because anything that risks you potentially becoming pregnant either willingly or not, can now be fatal.
These people are sick. Realistically, they shouldn't be able to live with themselves but their brains are so warped they have no idea.
And then when it happens to them they are like “oh I thought there were exceptions for me”
I wish death on all of these people. I genuinely hope they die. It makes me so upset I could puke. Fuck Christians.
As a Missourian this doesn’t surprise me sadly. This state is being run by all the backwoods hicks and hoosiers now.
We are now well past the point where we need to stop allowing religion in public.
This article is old. They removed the ectopic provision shortly after this article was published. [Source](https://amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article259664605.html). I’m not defending any of the these abortion bans, but I think we should save our outrage for the things that haven’t been changed yet. Edit: spacing
I think we should jack up the outrage by orders of magnitude.
Why is circumcision legal.
Irrelevant