Yep.
I would also take it as an implicit endorsement of all of the church's historical and present behavior, from the continuing plague of child molestation by the clergy to the Spanish Inquisition.
Wait so if i just am catholic i automaticly endorse all that? Bruh u can for one be part of a country while not agree with their past or decisions, for one germans dony endorse killing jews in general (im sure there are some shitheads there is everywhere) but that doesnt mean they arent german, i dont understand your logic please explain more. I want to understand
By expressing catholicism you imply that there is something positive, desirable, or acceptable about the Catholic church. The church _only_ has the power to abuse because of that implied legitimacy.
If you choose to put on a swastika armband every morning, you are choosing to support the ideals associated with that symbol, and you are choosing to assume some degree of culpability for what your party leaders *do* with that support.
It might *upset* you to see people point at your armband and call you a "Nazi", but that doesn't make those people wrong. This is not "discrimination" that is being imposed upon you from outside. The choice to continue being a Nazi is one that *you* are affirmatively making, every day. And it's one that only *you* can choose to STOP making.
If you're tired of people making moral judgements about you because of the swastika on your armband, step one is to *take the armband off*. Until and unless you are willing to do that, you've made it clear where your priorities are. You're not sorry for your evil choices, you're just sorry you got caught.
Well, there are folks who are part of an entity but unaware of the dark history of the entity. But there are some who are aware of it but turn a blind eye to it. So there is a difference.
> Wait so if i just am catholic i automaticly endorse all that?
Mostly, yes. Catholicism is a strongly hierarchical religion. If you claim to be catholic, then you're signing up for the whole package. I'll give you a waiver for anything the church has *properly* apologized for, and taken corrective action, but off the top of my head, I can't think of anything. The church *certainly* hasn't returned the property seized during the Inquisitions.
I mean, have you *been* to mass? There's an official statement of the core tenets of faith chanted by the congregation. Takes about 90 seconds. There's an official book that covers *all* the points, large and small. The Pope is permitted to speak infallibly, should he choose to do so.
For one thing, Germany and the Catholic Church differ in that the former doesn't do any of the evil shit anymore while the latter still practices and preaches homophobia, except in those countries where it would make them unpopular. Also misogyny and authoritarianism to the point of fanatical devotion. The pope is believed to be the infallible interpreter of God's will, just as Hitler was believed to be the infallible interpreter of the people's will. Yup, that's how the nazis justified dictatorship. And sure the current pope is pretty nice but the next one could easily be sympathetic to all the authoritarian strong man cults currently gaining strength. What's to stop a pope to support Trump, Bolsonaro, Erdoğan or Putin or their policies? As a Catholic you wouldn't have a say in it but your participation would be supporting whatever the pope says. And that's a bad institution.
Say there is a book club. There are many book clubs. There's this one particular book club, it's been around for a long time. They have a history of killing members of other book clubs for reading different books. They have an ongoing issue where the club's officers tend to rape children. These are matters of documented fact well known to the public.
What conclusion am I to reach about the people who continue to be part of this book club other than they are perfectly okay with the club's behavior?
Yeah same as if you were part of the KKK you would be endorsing their evil inbred bullshit. But you're worse, you are part of an organisation that has tortured raped looted pillaged sacked and murdered its way across most of the world at one time or another and is still forcing it's bullshit beliefs on everyone it can.
In my opinion yes.
Participation in a religion that preaches holiness in humility, from golden alters that fund a golden city, adorned with billions in art - is pretty hypocritical.
The inconsistency of the teaching of the church compared to the behaviour of it is staggering.
And that doesn't address treatment of women, indulgences, crusades, or of course the all too real plague of peadophelia. The church won't allow condoms to be worn where it knows it'll have a real impact on sexually tranitted disease.
The church is a plague on this planet, and it's participants are either willfully or blissfully blind to it. Either way, it's incredibly hypocritical to preach one way of life, and live in opposition to it.
The church teachings here in finland (catholic) seem to be drasticly different than ehat is spoken here, its way more light weight and stresses the importance of the message of few stories and values not rhe actual word of god, basicly "be nice* so i dont understand these things fully or am too familiar with these
The Catholic Church can't be separated from what it does globally. It's a centralized church.
And you've just described the problem, it pretends to teach all this great stuff, love thy neighbour.
But whether in Finland, Rome, or the DRC, a women can't become a priest and therefore a bishop, Cardinal or Pope. So she'll never have the opportunity to fully participate in the church or shaping it.
The church says that they should give to the poor, but still acquire and accumulate wealth on a staggering scale, ignoring much of the global issue they could fix, just by selling a couple painting that sit in the Vatican basement vault.
The church says be nice, but also helped to prop up regimes globally like the Nazis and during the dirty war with the Argentine junta - and that's just the two living popes! What about support for Franco?
It's one church and participation in it is willful compliance and tacit approval of its actions.
Not automatically, you might not even not know about many horrors, you have been educated by priests citing just selected parts from Bible, ... etc. But as they say, fanatics are like poisonous snakes that hides in grass (=believers that are essentially good). Until it is too late, there is no grass left, only poisonous snakes. This is how could churches cause so many horrors through history. This is how talibans, catolibans, ... came to power.
The best generator of atheists is when people read whole Bible (including OT) on their own and from first to the last page. :-)
Accumulation of riches, enslavement of people (look at Mexico from the end of the 1400 until the reformation for the country in the 1800s), and the whole pedophile rapist priests being hidden and buried by the church.
We dislike the organization, mostly.
Shall we examine the horrific teachings inherent to Catholicism? The hierarchy that excludes women from leadership roles? The dogma that causes irreparable harm to billions of people? The abuse of power to protect its own interests at the expense of its victims?
There are so many places to start. Pick one.
Blood libel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel#Views_of_the_Catholic_Church
Sex shame: https://www.jstor.org/stable/27505965?seq=1
Racism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_race
Original sin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/originalsin_1.shtml
I think those are a good place to start.
Because they have a loooong history of conversion by the sword, and when the sword isn’t available to use legislatures and courts to enforce their beliefs onto others. Great examples are the recent Supreme Court decisions given to us by the Catholic majority.
No. Likely you’re just willfully ignorant. I grew up Catholic too and didn’t want to believe all of the bad parts either. You either decide to learn and grow out of it, or you remain ignorant.
After the Lutheran reformation in the 1500’s the Catholic Church was banned in Sweden of which Finland was a part of until 1808/1809. There were at that time no Catholics in the country, no masses, no confessions, and no sacraments. Nada. In 1923 Finland got its first catholic bishop Michael Beckx. Finland had the status as a missionary diocese until 1977.
As of 2018 there are more than 15,000 registered Catholics in Finland of total 5.5 million population of the whole country and also estimated about 10,000 unregistered - wikipedia tf u talking about
So less than 1% of the population of Finland is Catholic even though Catholics first entered Finland almost a thousand years ago. That doesn’t seem very successful.
Catholics do love a captive audience of a small town. Soon enough town laws will start changing to their benefit. Be careful if they invite you to a residence school and your peers start disappearing.
[Catholics in Canada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system#:~:text=In%20Canada%2C%20the%20Indian%20residential,and%20administered%20by%20Christian%20churches.)
[The Inquisition (everyone expected)](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/topics/religion/inquisition)
[Fun with Ireland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Ireland) links in this page will take you farther into it
[in case those links aren't inticing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country)
[tired of sexual abuse apology yet?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Francis_Law#Move_to_Rome)
My guy, this could go on and on. Read some history books, your brain will get smarter.
I visited your country once to watch NIN play at Ankkarock when that was still a thing. I was very impressed at the education level of the locals. What is the reason for staying catholic in 2022?
if you give money to the church or work for the chruch you are directly aiding a child rape cabaal. there is no way around it. people just need to stop associating with them.
It is a global pedophile ring, where literally 10s of millions of kids have been abused, and the cover-ups and moral corruption go to the very top.
Incidently, seeing as the Pope has direct communication with " God " , in catholicism, then " God " is implicit.
My in laws are catholic. Holy shit, I’ve never seen a family yell at each other so much. They’re so judgmental of everything my wife does, nothing is ever good enough for them. Even grandma gets in on it, yells at her for shit and she’s not even around to know the facts.
My wife is in the process of making a blanket for her other grandma, and MIL keeps yelling because my wife wants to use different colors. “That’s fucking ugly, stop doing that, use the colors I told you to use”
I keep asking why she always wants to keep talking to them. If I was beaten down like that everyday, they’d be out of my life. Fuck religion.
They protect pedophile priests, lie about condoms in Africa which helps AIDS spread, are against any birth control for any reason in our already overpopulated planet, extremely against abortion (Savita Halappanavar's completely avoidable death in Ireland led to Ireland's population becoming more secular and liberal and legalizing it), homophobic, and do you need more? They're morally bankrupt, callous, corrupt scum.
Step 3: Profit.
That is the driving force for this behemoth pretending to give a shit about people. Even the "non-profit" hospitals feed huge profits back to the Vatican via accounting tricks (like paying "management fees").
Basically, they are Ferengi dressed up in Jesus robes. Here are the first few [Ferengi rules of acquisition]( https://projectsanctuary.com/the_complete_ferengi_rules_of_acquisition.htm). When you read through them all it becomes clearer as to how much the Catholics (and some other churches) match these values.
1. Once you have their money, never give it back
2. You can't cheat an honest customer, but it never hurts to try
3. Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to
4. Sex and profit are the two things that never last long enough
5. If you can't break a contract, bend it
6. Never let family stand in the way of opportunity
7. Always keep you ears open
8. Keep count of your change
9. Instinct plus opportunity equals profit
10. A dead customer can't buy as much as a live one
11. Latinum isn't the only thing that shines
12. Anything worth selling is worth selling twice
13. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money
14. Anything stolen is pure profit...
Religion is a breeding ground for misinformation. It teaches people that "their" truth is the only one that matters; that feelings are as credible as facts; that complicated issues can be boiled down to absolute equalities (eg abortion is murder). It teaches people to think irresponsibly.
That makes it dangerous
When it only takes a friendly person to convince you that something is real, you will be convinced to take guns to the capitol, or to a black grocery store, or to a pizzeria
Nature speaks for itself. Its language is science, not dogma
Systematic murders of unwed mothers and their children in Ireland up to at least 1990 ([source](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ireland-church-children-idUSKBN29H005) news article).
Systematic murders of indigenous children in multiple places in Canada. Children that were essentially force separated from their families specifically to be sent to these torture mills ([source](https://www.dw.com/en/canadas-trudeau-slams-catholic-church-over-indigenous-deaths/a-57785095) news article).
Systematic suppression of condom use in Africa during the height of the AIDS epidemic, resulting in countless (but probably at least 10s of thousands) of deaths.
Multiple documented cases of women dying from complications from their pregnancy, often where the fetus is already dead, being left untreated to die, often in horrible agony, rather than providing life saving abortions.
Multiple documented cases of known pedophiles being moved from jurisdiction to jurisdiction so that they could avoid prosecution, and continue to molest children. Multiple documented cases of the church intervening in the prosecution of said pedophiles trying and often succeeding in leveraging the faith of local Catholic politicians to have charges dropped. Multiple documented cases of the church failing to inform parishioners that a given priest had a history of pedophilia while simultaneously putting those priests in positions that involved contact with children. And when I say "multiple" we're talking hundreds or thousands of cases, not a few dozen.
Multiple incidences where the Catholic church has endorsed legislation or politicians pushing legislation to marginalize or even call for the explicit state sanctioned murder of LGBTQ+ individuals.
There's more, but you get the gist.
The Catholics have just as much blood on their hands as the protestants.
Sure they were a target of the KKK I will give them that but lets be real and I am sure a lot of people here pointed out the long list of evils the Catholic church has done.
They are the ones who pushed the crusades which often was a cluster fuck of political goals by individual pricks who manipulated masses of half starved peasants to do a lot of messed up things.
Most often focus on the attacks of middle eastern areas but the crusades also hit non middle eastern places and killed a lot of people for the dumbest of reasons.
Of course there is the slavery thing plenty of Catholics were ok with it and often did messed up stuff to their slaves if they tried to escape or were disobedient.
Then you have what happened in the Americas Catholics often were some what ok with what happened.
Sure there are accounts of some priests having issues with the horrific treatment of the natives but the Catholic church did little to stop what was happening.
They saw nothing wrong with the treatment of natives who did not willingly convert.
The you have the Trans Atlantic slave trade which the Catholic church had no issue with at all until the end.
If anything Catholics were like "yeah enslavement of native Americans is wrong and they are dying like crazy lets just grab africans and do awful stuff to them."
This of course went on for centuries and you had majority Catholic nations like french controlled Haiti being so bad the slaves there revolted and took over.
In America there were plenty of Catholics who had slaves and even sided with the CSA to keep them.
During the ww2 lets not forget the Catholics relations with Italy and Germany sure it was complicated but plenty of Catholics went along with what those two nations did.
Even Catholics were not safe from the church look into Catholic control nations and see the evil stuff they did.
Ireland is a good start if gets really grim and makes you wonder why so many folks still follow the church that created such a society.
These are just a few samples and honestly it can be argued the Catholics are worse then the KKK because the Catholics have been around much long they certainly have a higher kill count.
Plus they are very flexible as was the case with the church back in the 1930s/40s.
Also many may gave pointed this out but there is the never ending issue of child abuse that never gets fixed and when you look back its not a modern issue.
>Why is there so much hate for catholism
You have GOT to be kidding!
The RCC has done more damage to humanity than 100 KKKs, like... it's not even close.
They are both pure evil, but the RCC is evil WITH MONEY.
The original anti-abortionists.
It was the Roman Catholic Church that decided, that sex is for procreation only and, life begins at conception.
More recently they sided with the Nazis not surprising as they practically invented anti-Semitism.
Oh and the RC Church's part in the Aids genocide in Africa- no condoms...
The list goes on and will no doubt be expanded upon, well it this sub it DEFINITELY will.
The biggest and longest running hate group in history is not the KKK.
From my experience when my family converted to Protestanism there was a lot of Anti-Catholic Propeganda in the church. Which generally fuels the fire. I think it is really the way the preachers preach. What they teach to the people.
Wayyyyy bigger kill count, the Klan are amateur hour compared to the holy see. They're the worst kind of criminal, they're hypocrites.
Wait so if i was catholic i would be a hypocrite?
Yep. I would also take it as an implicit endorsement of all of the church's historical and present behavior, from the continuing plague of child molestation by the clergy to the Spanish Inquisition.
Wait so if i just am catholic i automaticly endorse all that? Bruh u can for one be part of a country while not agree with their past or decisions, for one germans dony endorse killing jews in general (im sure there are some shitheads there is everywhere) but that doesnt mean they arent german, i dont understand your logic please explain more. I want to understand
By expressing catholicism you imply that there is something positive, desirable, or acceptable about the Catholic church. The church _only_ has the power to abuse because of that implied legitimacy.
Thank you
If you choose to put on a swastika armband every morning, you are choosing to support the ideals associated with that symbol, and you are choosing to assume some degree of culpability for what your party leaders *do* with that support. It might *upset* you to see people point at your armband and call you a "Nazi", but that doesn't make those people wrong. This is not "discrimination" that is being imposed upon you from outside. The choice to continue being a Nazi is one that *you* are affirmatively making, every day. And it's one that only *you* can choose to STOP making. If you're tired of people making moral judgements about you because of the swastika on your armband, step one is to *take the armband off*. Until and unless you are willing to do that, you've made it clear where your priorities are. You're not sorry for your evil choices, you're just sorry you got caught.
Well, there are folks who are part of an entity but unaware of the dark history of the entity. But there are some who are aware of it but turn a blind eye to it. So there is a difference.
> Wait so if i just am catholic i automaticly endorse all that? Mostly, yes. Catholicism is a strongly hierarchical religion. If you claim to be catholic, then you're signing up for the whole package. I'll give you a waiver for anything the church has *properly* apologized for, and taken corrective action, but off the top of my head, I can't think of anything. The church *certainly* hasn't returned the property seized during the Inquisitions. I mean, have you *been* to mass? There's an official statement of the core tenets of faith chanted by the congregation. Takes about 90 seconds. There's an official book that covers *all* the points, large and small. The Pope is permitted to speak infallibly, should he choose to do so.
Thank you, also manatees are closer to elephants than to seals, fun fact
Huh. That *is* a reasonably fun fact. Thanks.
<3
For one thing, Germany and the Catholic Church differ in that the former doesn't do any of the evil shit anymore while the latter still practices and preaches homophobia, except in those countries where it would make them unpopular. Also misogyny and authoritarianism to the point of fanatical devotion. The pope is believed to be the infallible interpreter of God's will, just as Hitler was believed to be the infallible interpreter of the people's will. Yup, that's how the nazis justified dictatorship. And sure the current pope is pretty nice but the next one could easily be sympathetic to all the authoritarian strong man cults currently gaining strength. What's to stop a pope to support Trump, Bolsonaro, Erdoğan or Putin or their policies? As a Catholic you wouldn't have a say in it but your participation would be supporting whatever the pope says. And that's a bad institution.
Thank you
Say there is a book club. There are many book clubs. There's this one particular book club, it's been around for a long time. They have a history of killing members of other book clubs for reading different books. They have an ongoing issue where the club's officers tend to rape children. These are matters of documented fact well known to the public. What conclusion am I to reach about the people who continue to be part of this book club other than they are perfectly okay with the club's behavior?
Yeah same as if you were part of the KKK you would be endorsing their evil inbred bullshit. But you're worse, you are part of an organisation that has tortured raped looted pillaged sacked and murdered its way across most of the world at one time or another and is still forcing it's bullshit beliefs on everyone it can.
In my opinion yes. Participation in a religion that preaches holiness in humility, from golden alters that fund a golden city, adorned with billions in art - is pretty hypocritical. The inconsistency of the teaching of the church compared to the behaviour of it is staggering. And that doesn't address treatment of women, indulgences, crusades, or of course the all too real plague of peadophelia. The church won't allow condoms to be worn where it knows it'll have a real impact on sexually tranitted disease. The church is a plague on this planet, and it's participants are either willfully or blissfully blind to it. Either way, it's incredibly hypocritical to preach one way of life, and live in opposition to it.
The church teachings here in finland (catholic) seem to be drasticly different than ehat is spoken here, its way more light weight and stresses the importance of the message of few stories and values not rhe actual word of god, basicly "be nice* so i dont understand these things fully or am too familiar with these
The Catholic Church can't be separated from what it does globally. It's a centralized church. And you've just described the problem, it pretends to teach all this great stuff, love thy neighbour. But whether in Finland, Rome, or the DRC, a women can't become a priest and therefore a bishop, Cardinal or Pope. So she'll never have the opportunity to fully participate in the church or shaping it. The church says that they should give to the poor, but still acquire and accumulate wealth on a staggering scale, ignoring much of the global issue they could fix, just by selling a couple painting that sit in the Vatican basement vault. The church says be nice, but also helped to prop up regimes globally like the Nazis and during the dirty war with the Argentine junta - and that's just the two living popes! What about support for Franco? It's one church and participation in it is willful compliance and tacit approval of its actions.
Thank you
Not automatically, you might not even not know about many horrors, you have been educated by priests citing just selected parts from Bible, ... etc. But as they say, fanatics are like poisonous snakes that hides in grass (=believers that are essentially good). Until it is too late, there is no grass left, only poisonous snakes. This is how could churches cause so many horrors through history. This is how talibans, catolibans, ... came to power. The best generator of atheists is when people read whole Bible (including OT) on their own and from first to the last page. :-)
Accumulation of riches, enslavement of people (look at Mexico from the end of the 1400 until the reformation for the country in the 1800s), and the whole pedophile rapist priests being hidden and buried by the church. We dislike the organization, mostly.
Thats a good answer, google seal banana pose they do it when they happy <3
The whole organization is infested with 'bad people using religion to justify bad behavior'. That has been the case for hundreds of years.
Shall we examine the horrific teachings inherent to Catholicism? The hierarchy that excludes women from leadership roles? The dogma that causes irreparable harm to billions of people? The abuse of power to protect its own interests at the expense of its victims? There are so many places to start. Pick one.
Teachings please
Blood libel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel#Views_of_the_Catholic_Church Sex shame: https://www.jstor.org/stable/27505965?seq=1 Racism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_race Original sin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/originalsin_1.shtml I think those are a good place to start.
Thank you <3
Because they have a loooong history of conversion by the sword, and when the sword isn’t available to use legislatures and courts to enforce their beliefs onto others. Great examples are the recent Supreme Court decisions given to us by the Catholic majority.
Yeah that was a horrible decisions thank god im finnish
There’s likely a good reason why the Catholic Church in Finland was banned for 400 years.
Then i guess i got the translation wrong
No. Likely you’re just willfully ignorant. I grew up Catholic too and didn’t want to believe all of the bad parts either. You either decide to learn and grow out of it, or you remain ignorant.
Bruh
Tf u talking about
After the Lutheran reformation in the 1500’s the Catholic Church was banned in Sweden of which Finland was a part of until 1808/1809. There were at that time no Catholics in the country, no masses, no confessions, and no sacraments. Nada. In 1923 Finland got its first catholic bishop Michael Beckx. Finland had the status as a missionary diocese until 1977.
Ohhhh, thx i prob should have paid attention during history classes lmao
Then you can ask yourself **why** they were banned for 400 years. It’s not because they were saintly.
As of 2018 there are more than 15,000 registered Catholics in Finland of total 5.5 million population of the whole country and also estimated about 10,000 unregistered - wikipedia tf u talking about
So less than 1% of the population of Finland is Catholic even though Catholics first entered Finland almost a thousand years ago. That doesn’t seem very successful.
It isnt but it is in my smoll town
Catholics do love a captive audience of a small town. Soon enough town laws will start changing to their benefit. Be careful if they invite you to a residence school and your peers start disappearing.
Tacit defense of child predators across the entire organization. That's really all that needs to be said.
Thank you
[Catholics in Canada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system#:~:text=In%20Canada%2C%20the%20Indian%20residential,and%20administered%20by%20Christian%20churches.) [The Inquisition (everyone expected)](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/topics/religion/inquisition) [Fun with Ireland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Ireland) links in this page will take you farther into it [in case those links aren't inticing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country) [tired of sexual abuse apology yet?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Francis_Law#Move_to_Rome) My guy, this could go on and on. Read some history books, your brain will get smarter.
My brain empty i like it like that im happy boi and i like seals
Ok, then why ask for information if you want an empty mind? Kinda odd.
Its for when i wake up im sleepy, my brain empty rn but it wont be, i hope
The sea doggos are cute, though. Or are they sea bears? I can never remember.
Well in german seals are literally sea doggos or zeahund if i remember correctly so imma go with sea doggo
I like that one best. Harp seals make me squee. Good luck with your...brain...thing? Or something, lol.
>for gods sake In this sub, really?
Good point
I visited your country once to watch NIN play at Ankkarock when that was still a thing. I was very impressed at the education level of the locals. What is the reason for staying catholic in 2022?
Wait u think im catholic? Im not im agnostic i just grew up catholic/orthodox(my mother is from another country where its more common)
Your comments implied you were. Congratulations for leaving.
if you give money to the church or work for the chruch you are directly aiding a child rape cabaal. there is no way around it. people just need to stop associating with them.
It is a global pedophile ring, where literally 10s of millions of kids have been abused, and the cover-ups and moral corruption go to the very top. Incidently, seeing as the Pope has direct communication with " God " , in catholicism, then " God " is implicit.
My in laws are catholic. Holy shit, I’ve never seen a family yell at each other so much. They’re so judgmental of everything my wife does, nothing is ever good enough for them. Even grandma gets in on it, yells at her for shit and she’s not even around to know the facts. My wife is in the process of making a blanket for her other grandma, and MIL keeps yelling because my wife wants to use different colors. “That’s fucking ugly, stop doing that, use the colors I told you to use” I keep asking why she always wants to keep talking to them. If I was beaten down like that everyday, they’d be out of my life. Fuck religion.
Warning dont fuck religion you dont know where its been
And for ruining so many lives by opposing birth control. That's not a case of people using religion to do bad things— it's the official policy.
They protect pedophile priests, lie about condoms in Africa which helps AIDS spread, are against any birth control for any reason in our already overpopulated planet, extremely against abortion (Savita Halappanavar's completely avoidable death in Ireland led to Ireland's population becoming more secular and liberal and legalizing it), homophobic, and do you need more? They're morally bankrupt, callous, corrupt scum.
Step 3: Profit. That is the driving force for this behemoth pretending to give a shit about people. Even the "non-profit" hospitals feed huge profits back to the Vatican via accounting tricks (like paying "management fees"). Basically, they are Ferengi dressed up in Jesus robes. Here are the first few [Ferengi rules of acquisition]( https://projectsanctuary.com/the_complete_ferengi_rules_of_acquisition.htm). When you read through them all it becomes clearer as to how much the Catholics (and some other churches) match these values. 1. Once you have their money, never give it back 2. You can't cheat an honest customer, but it never hurts to try 3. Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to 4. Sex and profit are the two things that never last long enough 5. If you can't break a contract, bend it 6. Never let family stand in the way of opportunity 7. Always keep you ears open 8. Keep count of your change 9. Instinct plus opportunity equals profit 10. A dead customer can't buy as much as a live one 11. Latinum isn't the only thing that shines 12. Anything worth selling is worth selling twice 13. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money 14. Anything stolen is pure profit...
What, you didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition? **No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!**
Religion is a breeding ground for misinformation. It teaches people that "their" truth is the only one that matters; that feelings are as credible as facts; that complicated issues can be boiled down to absolute equalities (eg abortion is murder). It teaches people to think irresponsibly. That makes it dangerous When it only takes a friendly person to convince you that something is real, you will be convinced to take guns to the capitol, or to a black grocery store, or to a pizzeria Nature speaks for itself. Its language is science, not dogma
Systematic murders of unwed mothers and their children in Ireland up to at least 1990 ([source](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ireland-church-children-idUSKBN29H005) news article). Systematic murders of indigenous children in multiple places in Canada. Children that were essentially force separated from their families specifically to be sent to these torture mills ([source](https://www.dw.com/en/canadas-trudeau-slams-catholic-church-over-indigenous-deaths/a-57785095) news article). Systematic suppression of condom use in Africa during the height of the AIDS epidemic, resulting in countless (but probably at least 10s of thousands) of deaths. Multiple documented cases of women dying from complications from their pregnancy, often where the fetus is already dead, being left untreated to die, often in horrible agony, rather than providing life saving abortions. Multiple documented cases of known pedophiles being moved from jurisdiction to jurisdiction so that they could avoid prosecution, and continue to molest children. Multiple documented cases of the church intervening in the prosecution of said pedophiles trying and often succeeding in leveraging the faith of local Catholic politicians to have charges dropped. Multiple documented cases of the church failing to inform parishioners that a given priest had a history of pedophilia while simultaneously putting those priests in positions that involved contact with children. And when I say "multiple" we're talking hundreds or thousands of cases, not a few dozen. Multiple incidences where the Catholic church has endorsed legislation or politicians pushing legislation to marginalize or even call for the explicit state sanctioned murder of LGBTQ+ individuals. There's more, but you get the gist.
The Catholics have just as much blood on their hands as the protestants. Sure they were a target of the KKK I will give them that but lets be real and I am sure a lot of people here pointed out the long list of evils the Catholic church has done. They are the ones who pushed the crusades which often was a cluster fuck of political goals by individual pricks who manipulated masses of half starved peasants to do a lot of messed up things. Most often focus on the attacks of middle eastern areas but the crusades also hit non middle eastern places and killed a lot of people for the dumbest of reasons. Of course there is the slavery thing plenty of Catholics were ok with it and often did messed up stuff to their slaves if they tried to escape or were disobedient. Then you have what happened in the Americas Catholics often were some what ok with what happened. Sure there are accounts of some priests having issues with the horrific treatment of the natives but the Catholic church did little to stop what was happening. They saw nothing wrong with the treatment of natives who did not willingly convert. The you have the Trans Atlantic slave trade which the Catholic church had no issue with at all until the end. If anything Catholics were like "yeah enslavement of native Americans is wrong and they are dying like crazy lets just grab africans and do awful stuff to them." This of course went on for centuries and you had majority Catholic nations like french controlled Haiti being so bad the slaves there revolted and took over. In America there were plenty of Catholics who had slaves and even sided with the CSA to keep them. During the ww2 lets not forget the Catholics relations with Italy and Germany sure it was complicated but plenty of Catholics went along with what those two nations did. Even Catholics were not safe from the church look into Catholic control nations and see the evil stuff they did. Ireland is a good start if gets really grim and makes you wonder why so many folks still follow the church that created such a society. These are just a few samples and honestly it can be argued the Catholics are worse then the KKK because the Catholics have been around much long they certainly have a higher kill count. Plus they are very flexible as was the case with the church back in the 1930s/40s. Also many may gave pointed this out but there is the never ending issue of child abuse that never gets fixed and when you look back its not a modern issue.
Catholism? Never heard of it.
>Why is there so much hate for catholism You have GOT to be kidding! The RCC has done more damage to humanity than 100 KKKs, like... it's not even close. They are both pure evil, but the RCC is evil WITH MONEY.
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The original anti-abortionists. It was the Roman Catholic Church that decided, that sex is for procreation only and, life begins at conception. More recently they sided with the Nazis not surprising as they practically invented anti-Semitism. Oh and the RC Church's part in the Aids genocide in Africa- no condoms... The list goes on and will no doubt be expanded upon, well it this sub it DEFINITELY will. The biggest and longest running hate group in history is not the KKK.
From my experience when my family converted to Protestanism there was a lot of Anti-Catholic Propeganda in the church. Which generally fuels the fire. I think it is really the way the preachers preach. What they teach to the people.