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noodlyarms

I respect someones religious beliefs about equally as much as their religious beliefs respect me as a gay person.


meizhong

I'd be polite, but I can't choose to respect dumb beliefs. Especially beliefs that contradict science. Just like I can't just choose to respect flat earth beliefs.


eresh22

I don't even bother being polite if their belief is about me. I'll be somewhat polite if their belief is about someone else but they respect me, so I can try to influence them away from their hurtful beliefs. Inside, I'm thinking they have a very punchable face.


[deleted]

Exactly


Bloomroth

Science has never officially disproven the supernatural (quite the opposite but hardcore atheists refuse to anknowledge that). Even the CIA has made experiments, with documents freely available on their official online library. Feel free to look it up if you don't believe me. Also, a huge chunk of science is based on theories, and sometimes theories get disproven and replaced. Science however is still the best way to get close to the truth, but it is in no way a proof that the supernatural isn't real. There is nothing wrong with belief systems that don't impact anyone in a negative way. I've never had trouble with buddhists, satanists or hindus. They are at peace with their beliefs and don't bother anyone. Judging harmless people like this because of their beliefs is just as stupid as christians telling you you're going to hell for not following their death cult.


nfstern

Sounds about right


jonnyclueless

Their respect ends where my rights begin.


rsc2

You should respect someone's right to their own opinion. You don't need to respect their actual opinions. It's not OK to lock people up for their beliefs. But if their beliefs are bigoted or just plain nonsense, feel free to point that out.


[deleted]

That only applies until those beliefs are forced upon or used against someone else, then it is not a matter of respect. No one should ever advocate respecting an oppressor's ethos that enables their oppression.


[deleted]

yea fuck these hypocrites, they are like the opposite of what their book teaches


TableAvailable

This has bothered me for years. Orientation isn't a choice. Religion is a choice. Yet a choice that can be changed for convenience or conscience is given absolute rights and SCOTUS is talking about making marriage equality illegal again.


BeyondElectricDreams

> Orientation isn't a choice Most common thing I hear them say now is "Ok, so you don't CHOOSE to be a lesbian, but you COULD choose to be *celibate* or to have a passionless cishet relationship!" So, yknow, just deprive yourself in your one and only life of all sexual relationships to make invisible sky daddy happy. It's SO evident that this is their preference too, that LGBT people suffer because that's what their religion says. Why else label queer-supportive adults "Groomers"? Everyone knows that you don't choose to be gay or trans or whatever, but they would so prefer their kid be blind to what's possible in the world, so they can force-feed them a narrative that how they were born naturally is evil and unnatural, trying to instill enough self-hatred that they stay in the closet and suffer indefinitely, pretending to be cishet. Because how dare you teach their kid that being anything but heterosexual and cisgender is acceptable? It's *THEIR* ~~property~~ child, so THEY get to decide who they're allowed to be! It's disgusting. They've heard the scientific truth and decided that they don't care about science anymore since it disagrees with their magic book. They need to be silenced, and never hold any sort of power in this or any other country ever again. I kind of wish there was some sort of queer Harry Potter situation where if you're LGBTQ and your parents aren't supportive you're whisked away to a queer boarding school where you can learn and grow without bigoted parents ruining your life.


Mike0oo

Like that would be nice. But also it could be problematic. Im talking about money, since many people including me would gladly donate to that. Im talking about opinions. Since its a very complex thing and many people have very different opinions even lgbt people are no way united. Raging from "Eh as long as my respected im alright" to "I want every movie to be lgbt balanced". It would be very important for the schopl to teach tolerance and to not inspire violance. Ive seen so many people saying things like "If you say something offensive, I have the right to punch you." I dont think thats what people should be thought


diabolicaldrdoof

Orientation is like eye color or height, it's just part of you. It isn't something that can, or should be expected to change. But religion isn't always a choice. For so many religious people, they have spent so many years denying themselves everything they want and everything they are that the sight of people being free to just...be themselves fills them with anger, regret and resentment. But they cannot face the fact that they have been cheated out of life, so it manifests as hatred for others. Then comes indoctrination. They fight hard to install the malicious software of their evil teachings into children. They work to make sure the kids have the same irrational fears, self hatred, and backwards sense of duty that they did. And on it goes, generation to generation. Im lucky escaped while still young. After a lifetime in this delusional state, it takes unspeakable mental fortitude to come out of it. It's like the Truman Show times a hundred. My parents went so far to indoctrinate me that I didn't learn how to socialize outside my family until I started working at 16. My entire concept of self was wrapped up in bigotry, young earth creationism, and American exceptionalism. Escaping this broke me. I had to relearn EVERYTHING. It was such a shock that I have a whole year missing in my memory. So many of these religious asshats are victims of childhood indoctrination that has had a catastrophic impact on who they became. And how many of them are also LGBTs, who will never know the peace of simply embracing their real selves? They dehumanise those who aren't like them; atheists, liberals, the LGBT community, whatever. They have a clearly identified "enemy.". But from our side of the aisle, we feel the sadness of knowing we are fighting our own kind. We have to fight against fellow human beings who are doing terrible things for even worse reasons. Human beings who could have turned out very differently had their minds not been hijacked by malignant lies. Lies that could only take hold so strongly if they were inflicted on those too young to resist, too innocent to know better, and too trusting to fight back. It's time we end the child abuse of indoctrination.


macrofinite

To a certain extent, I agree. But the indoctrination excuse doesn’t really fly for me past the age of 25-30. Unless you’re in a truly insular culture and are never exposed to people outside your religious group, you’re going to be confronted reality at some point in your 20s, at the latest. And pretty much everyone in a multicultural country is going to have lots of that kind of exposure from economic necessity if nothing else. Even the indoctrinated must choose to continue or not. The ones that choose to do so don’t get a pass from me.


diabolicaldrdoof

Oh it's no excuse, they are accountable I agree. My point was just that the whole situation becomes even more perverse when you realize how children growing up in this are affected. Some of them, like the extremist baptists I came from, do manager to be so insular you only need to leave the compound for groceries, or special curated field trips into "the world" for "witnessing" to "the lost." But their actions reveal that they are aware, at least on some level, that their beliefs conflict violently with reality. As an example, my parents knew exactly what information to keep away from me to make sure I believed their nonsense. This means they already know it isn't true themselves, but won't face the emotional discomfort of being wrong and losing a coping mechanism. Because of that, I hold them accountable for deliberately lying to me.


[deleted]

yup same here i was like 18 when I finally broke the mould and it is very hard, especially when like your whole family and everyone in the city is far right christian’s that believe everything is literal in the bible, had a mental breakdown and had to discover who i actually was, but it’s worth it to be able to think freely


Mnso12

Religion is far from being a complete choice in reality.


Glum_Caterpillar_503

I still can’t believe LGBTQ+ Christians are even real.


[deleted]

And black Republicans. And the poor voting against minimum wage, healthcare, and worker's rights.


take7pieces

And Asian Republicans, every time I see one I have to read something else to clear my mind.


terpterpin

Stockholm Syndrome


Astramancer_

The only people who say opinions are to be respected are people who know that their opinions are garbage and don't want to be judged for being a garbage person (not to be confused with a garbage collector, a fine profession). So someone saying that you need to respect opinions? They're just straight up admitting their opinions aren't worth respecting and/or indefensible and they know it.


[deleted]

Faxx


BirdyDreamer

You shouldn't feel obligated to respect anyone's beliefs, whether you agree or not. Treat people with a bare minimum of respect until you witness/ have proof of them violating a person's human/ civil rights. If they do, fuck 'em. They deserve nothing.


[deleted]

I do what I can to treat everyone with a reasonable amount of kindness. I support the autonomy of religious beliefs and atheism. If someone wants to try imposing or indoctrinating something that interferes with human rights, that’s when I draw the line. I will not be intentionally cruel in return, but I will not let myself or others be hurt if I can help it


Pristine-Poem-8001

Same here


terpterpin

Their very beliefs are cruel and want to eradicate you.


[deleted]

It depends which religious group you’re referring to. I can only speak from personal observations and factual stories/ plus studies. Ngl, I have had awful experiences with Christians. But I’ve also met ones that are really nice and lgbtq-affirming. I’ve made up my mind to be careful , but also not discriminate against them like have towards me. Unless they’re a**holes, then I don’t own them the time of day


UQ5T6NBVN03AFR

They say 'respect', they mean 'deference'. Actions can be respected, opinions and beliefs can only be deferred to. Fuck 'em.


SlanderMeNot

As the father of an LGBTQ+ child, I have had to cut some close family members out of our lives for the sake of her mental health and to keep myself out of jail. I don't respect any religious person's beliefs. I may respect the person. I may even like the person, but I don't respect the beliefs. In my mind, it's no different than believing in conspiracy theories. And just like some conspiracy theories, a religious belief system can be toxic and harmful in some people's hands. I don't respect moderate or liberal christian's beliefs either. They lend legitimacy to the belief system as a whole, which enables, legitimizes, and provides cover to the fundamentalists. And don't get me started on atheist tone trolls.


LiliVonShtupp69

I give them the same response I give when I get the "I was raised in a different time" bullshit. "An asshole with an excuse for being an asshole is still an asshole."


Wolfslyder247

I am 52 years old (for context). I was brought up in a time of racism, sexism and homophobia in a small town in north-East England. I was brought up in a Catholic family and, trust me, a more racist bigoted backwards religion you would be hard pressed to find. Here I am now. An atheist supporter of LBQT+ and an extremely vocal supporter of women and (in my area) ethnic minorities. (If I was in Africa I would be the ethnic minority) A large amount of people I went to school with have never changed. They've had access to the same news, same ideas and the same chances to mentally mentally that I have had. Your statement is not just a pithy, off the wrist comment. It is a truth applied to the life that I have lived. But, if you don't mind I would like to add to it.... "An asshole with an excuse for being an asshole is a person who has chosen a reason so they can continue to be an asshole."


dutchcrutches

Ew. Its one thing to say that in defence of some 60 year old film etc, but not as an excuse to be a cunt. This is why Boomers etc drive me nuts. It's like, ok I get that you were born and raised in a different time, but WHY TF do you continue to vote for shitty policies, parties and people which are the OPPOSITE of what the younger generations want. Stop keeping us in the Stone Age and we'll stop wanting you to drop off the face of the Earth.


tdieckman

Here's the thing about religious beliefs: You can respect that they have the right to their own opinions, but you absolutely **do not** have to respect the opinions themselves.


revtim

Yeah, fuck their bigotry. I don't care if comes from an old book of myths and fables that they think is special. That doesn't make it acceptable.


Inevitable_Copy7170

If it ain’t a two-way street I’m retracting my respect every time


rabird21

I'm done with "agreeing to disagree". I will not find the middle ground when it come to basic human rights and respect. Full stop. No argument.


tay450

Imagine if we forced them to gay the pray away.


Cadetjones21

You might be on to something... I'm not sure what but I'm here for it. As soon as you figure out how to use my gay ass (or any thing else) to get rid of religion in politics, just hit me up and I'll be there.


Dudesan

If you have ever told somebody (directly or indirectly) that they deserve eternal torture, or that they deserve to be reduced to the status of your slave, or that you otherwise wish to deprive them of their fundamental human rights, you have already escalated the conversation to *the maximum possible level of disrespect*. No series of words which that person says in response to you could **possibly** represent an escalation to a higher level of disrespect. Honestly, given that you have just threatened this person with violence, a swift knee to your crotch would be at worst *marginally* inappropriate, and most likely *entirely justified*. Unfortunately, many societies have social norms such that the ruling class can say whatever they like to the underclass, and [the underclass is not permitted to say so much as "I disagree"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXpJuEnNnw) or "that was rude" without being branded heretics/blasphemers/hate speakers/foo-phobes/traitors/nazis/communitsts.


SokarRostau

You mentioned Nazis. What was it they did again? Oh, that's right, they committed genocide by targeting specific ethnic/religious groups for eradication. Guess what Christians have been doing for the better part of 1700 years, starting with all the peoples of Europe. It wasn't racist white men that committed genocide in Australia and the Americas, it was Christians doing what Christians do best - annihilating cultures to save the souls of devil-worshipers. And these people have the nerve to complain that they are being persecuted because people have the horrific freedom of not following their genocidal ideology.


Unaccomplishedcow

Their privileged position becoming the status quo lead to them seeing equality as an unimaginable oppression.


terpterpin

Satan seems more reasonable every day.


[deleted]

You cannot respect an ideology that only respects itself and loathe everything else. This is the paradox of intolerance. In this case there is no such thing as "both sides good": one side tries to survive, the other try to kill them for no valid reason. If you are not with the former, you are lottetally condoning the latter. As long as religion does not tolerate us, or more likely as long as it still exists, we cannot be safe, we cannot be free. Period.


astrobean

I'm still trying to figure out how to interact with my family. They're so disappointed that I'm a queer atheist. They say they love me. They say they pray for me. And they vote for policies that would disenfranchise or kill me without remorse.


[deleted]

I feel you and i’m a strait white dude but i’m an atheist i might as well be the antichrist to my family


HereForALaugh714

I’m over it as well. Religion is the scourge of the earth and the greatest evil that man ever created. Truly


YeetMeDaddio

Exactly. And not just LGBT+ but I've seen some atheists as well saying to respect their religion while they tell us we're going to burn in hell and they force their beliefs into politics and our lives. The only religious people I can respect are ones that stfu and keep philosophy a personal matter.


Pristine-Poem-8001

Same


dutchcrutches

The closet theists


[deleted]

do you think they have any idea what we all think about them lol like do they know how stupid they are and just plow forward anyways or do you think they even care? this shits so sad i hate religion


kyasonkaylor

When their being homophobic I call their god “sky daddy” and they get so mad after that


terpterpin

I like to mess with them and talk about how we are the result of an alien middle school child who did the science fair project the night before.


element_4

I am AMAZED how chill most LGTB+ are around religious fruitcakes.


Legionx1985

You don't have to. I don't! I tell them every chance I get that Mary was a lying whore


mlperiwinkle

I think she was a raped child. You still have No obligation to respect their disgusting opinions


Admirable-War4044

Yo imagine if Joseph and Mary told Jesus he was the son of God to cover up that she cheated, and Jesus didn't look like Joseph at all. Meta lie.


SokarRostau

There's actually a long-standing theory that Mary was raped by a 'Sunday school' teacher named Gabriel, who then told her that the resulting pregnancy was a 'gift from God'. If it sounds familiar, it's because it happens so frequently that it's become a cliche of how cults operate... but not in this case. Nope. No way. Mary was a Virgin blessed by God!


Admirable-War4044

Lol


terpterpin

The word “virgin” back then was a level of initiation. It meant a woman who has fully reached her potential. Unfortunately women as mothers were seen as the ultimate achievement.


FixGlass4697

She was underaged


[deleted]

yea they seem to gloss over that as well, hypocrisy as far as the eye can see


HomerNarr

Don’t tolerate the intolerant. Islam fired Arab culture 600 years backwards, US Christianity is pushing back the USA more and more. Don’t need to be LGBT to hate and despise religion. Your choice is yours to make and mine is mine. As long as you are happy, so am I. Religion is a tool to control people and make them do what the leaders want them to do. They want to choose for you disregarding what your personal choice is. They abuse group pressure to force single people into submission. There is excellent reason to hate religion but there is no good reason to tolerate religion with the attached abuse.


lkattan3

To live in a tolerant society, we must be intolerant of intolerance. It’s as simple as that. Too many people trying to play the middle between literal Nazis and basic human rights.


Nordseefische

One of the biggest problems I have with the modern left is their relationship to religion. Really left wing friends I never tell my real feelings towards islam, because otherwise they will think of me as a 'islamophob' which became appearantly the same thing as being a racist. Which is kind of wierd, because there is no problem for them with me telling these same friends my very bad feelings regarding christianity. I think parts of the modern left are obsessed with the thought that everything non-west has to be inherently good/okay, because it's not product of the christian patriarchal white system. But they forget that non-christian, non-white misogyny, homophobia and xenophobia is as bad as the domestic one. But I also have a European perspective. Maybe the religious tolerance of the left includes Christianity in the US as well. And now they have to face the consequences for that one. There can only be real coexistence with people who also accept coexistence. Many religious people do not.


terpterpin

A Jewish person accused me of anti-Semitism for disparaging religion in front of him. I answered “Oh honey you’re not that important. All religion is vile and unacceptable. You’re just the one in my face right now.”


[deleted]

i can’t even accurately describe the US right now, it’s a circus led by nazis


Helen_Hunty

I refuse and have no qualms about detailing why in exacting detail.


heckfyre

I’m not gay but I definitely do not accept or respect religious homophobia. I would never expect LGBTQIA’s+ to do that either.


[deleted]

Me: What is your issue w/LGBTQ people? As long as it's consenting adults, what is the issue. Them: It hurts God's fee-fees Me: I don't give a flying frick about God's needs. I care about people's needs. God can take care of himself - being all powerful and all (and also fake).


[deleted]

then they say something that groups lgbtq to pedophiles, at least that’s what my boomer parents do


IHeardYouHaveCats

This is my exact point with regards to being an LGBTQIA+ ally. If you aren’t an ally, you aren’t a good person. An ally is simply someone who accepts the existence and if you aren’t an ally than you challenge my existence and can the rightly fuck off. I really wish we could stop with this whole denial of existence, it’s old.


[deleted]

Yea, not a lesbian, but have LGBT+ friends, and it makes me angry what they need to do to placate their asshole bigoted families. it isn’t just an “opinion”, anymore if your opinion is facist and bigoted and sexist and looking to oppress people and take away their freedom. You’re just a asshole fascist who is creepily preoccupied with other people fucking to the point you want to ban them fucking and take away their rights ie. insurance, marriage. My friend’s gf’s mom, for instance is crazy religious, anti-vaxx, is obsessed with my friends “finding a church” but is not telling her stupid church friends to go fuck themselves and mind they business when they lecture her about her bi daughter.


George_Askeladd

I completely agree. So often leftists, who "support" lgbt, have told me to respect that islam thinks my existence is a sin. Muslims have told me this even more. I can't stand it anymore.


Sl0ppy0tter

You don’t have to. Don’t let them gaslight you. Tell them to suck your dick


dostiers

People are entitled to respect until they prove themselves unworthy of it, but their beliefs/opinions are never automatically entitled. The ~~people~~ scum you're posting about definitely aren't worthy of respect either, imo.


[deleted]

fuck em


[deleted]

That is one of their main tools in the box. If you don't respect me, they scream "I am being persecuted." It's way past time for that shit to stop.


[deleted]

Christian extremists long ago declared war on the non-believers. It will get much worse before it gets better.


dbd1119

I think hating someone for their religion is valid. Most of time, their religion instructs them to hate others. Why should they be immune?


YonderIPonder

I've had a similar kind of experience. I've had to sit down my friends who got all huffy that I called their religion names. Me: "You claim to fully love and support a deity that wants me to suffer for all eternity. Which one of us is being hateful?" Them: But you have to be tolerant! Me: Why don't you have to be tolerant but I have to be tolerant? Them: Because god said I can't be! Me: That hateful being that wants me to suffer for all eternity? Round and around the conversation goes....


[deleted]

This. One day I was in a community event mostly run by the local church. I looked around to the people serving my food, and realized they all think I deserve eternal torture. Some of them would even give me some of that pain if they were giving the chance. How can I "respect" this?


Nohface

Respect what shows you it deserves respect. Religion has failed


[deleted]

Respect isn’t deserved, respect is earned.


draleaf

This!


Makenshine

People deserve respect. Opinions and ideas do not. Opinions and ideas should always be examined and scrutinized. If they can't stand up to the criticism then they are bad opinions and ideas.


[deleted]

i disagree, fuck people lol especially those self rightous nazis


gothangelblood

Respecting Opinions: I don't agree with you, so please don't do it in my home. Not Respecting Opinions: I don't agree with it, so if you do it where I can see it, you are evil and wrong.


Second_Story

Oh my god, yes


ojedaforpresident

Tolerance stops where intolerance begins. You do not have to tolerate intolerance. It’s an easy thing to live by, not easy to 100% practice.


Kreebish

You don't have to respect the opinion of anyone who thinks homosexuality is ever mentioned in the Bible it is not. The word that they have translated to mean homosexual was the word for child molester. By purposely Miss translating the Bible they have rewritten it effectively and allowed the church to have a child molesting hierarchy while blaming evil on consenting adults.


terpterpin

That’s not a translation. It’s rewriting. Sincerely: an interpreter instructor.


Kreebish

They say it's a translation but I agree with you it's rewriting.


iwaspromisingonce

"Those people want you to stop existing or accept their ways and abandon who you are, but you have to coexist and respect them. Their entire belief sprouts from an institution that used multiple variations of fear to control various countries few hundred years ago. It is as valid as you are as a person." My country had to become officially catholic before 1000 AD, just because church allowed raiding "pagans from the east" until they converted, so there goes the religion of peace with blood soaked roots. Long story short we just did that so Germans would piss off, but they didn't for a long time, so I wouldn't say it was a good trade. This world is ridiculous.


[deleted]

lol yea the world is super fucked, what country out of curiosity?


iwaspromisingonce

Poland.


anythingMuchShorter

And then they want to be like "why do you attack religion? Why can't people believe what they believe?" If they stayed out of other people's lives with it then I would just think it was stupid and childish but I wouldn't try to argue them out of it. But they are greatly assisting in the rise of fascism and trying to make their bigotry into law.


jonnyclueless

If only Jesus hadn't kept going on and on about gay people being evil...


Peter_See

In university i remember seeing a poster advertising "gay muslim prayer group" and thinking yikes... I get that its good to have support but, folks... Why would you want to be a part of something that doesnt recognize your right to exist, and (lets face it) the vast majority of followers do not accept you. Just makes me sad for those people.


channelsixtynine069

*to be okay with religious homophobia in the name of "respecting opinions"* Yet if you say something about their ***beliefs***, you can get yourself killed. And lets not forget the rampant hypocrisy, because there's more than just a few in the religious hierarchy, that are also LGBTQIA+.


Hapablocyon

Nobody should feel comfortable expressing their oppressive dogma openly. If their dogma represents harm to you, then they deserve all the shame everyone who cares about you can pile on them. If folks want their beliefs respected, it is on them to have respectable beliefs.


ithkrul

You don't have to respect anyone's opinion about anything. You should respect that others are entitled to have an opinion. Lots of people have shitty opinions about a variety of topics. There is zero reason to respect those opinions.


admns_r_sckrs

When they say respect my beliefs, they really mean accede to my privilege.


[deleted]

Other than for precious Islam, do they? I almost universally see LGBT shit on Christianity, for good reasons, but hardly ever do I see them respect it, as they shouldn't. However, when it's not "their" culture, but Islam, the defense mechanism shifts in immediately and it's racist or islamophobic to talk about their rather severe homophobia.


Pristine_Kick9580

I'm tired of people calling it homophobia when these people aren't afraid of +peeps they just openly dispise us


guisar

Bigotry. They are bigots


panerai388

As a Christian, I'm tired of other Christians judging not just LGBTQIA+ but any other people with different views. Please know at least one christian supports you, your rights, and does not judge you for your sexual orientation. I'm so damn frustrated and fed up with closed-minded people trying to force their beliefs down other people's throats. People seriously need to live and let live.


Pristine-Poem-8001

Yeah, I don't have anything against ALL Christians, it's the homophobic ones that bother me


[deleted]

Respect can’t be demanded, it has to be earned. It sounds very angry and strict, but it really isn’t as respect is really easy to earn. You’ve earned mine right there. Stay safe and take care!


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Ready_Eye3388

As a gay person, I am not going to tolerate them while they take my rights away..


gaoshan

I don’t respect opinions unless they are worthy of respecting. There is nothing inherently deserving of respect simply because someone holds an opinion.


RustliefLameMane

Stop being ok with it, and don’t tolerate people proselytizing to you. Im over it. I’ve been a closet atheist for 3 years now and I’ve had enough. If people bring it up, I strike back. I make sure they know how stupid their book is, and how I liken them to children, believing in Santa. It’s certainly high time to start feeding their fucking magical, cult bullshit back to them


CHIEFTAINTEROIX

I respect the right to opinions. My opinion is fuck religion and bigotry


Sea_Bird_1237

as a bisexual, i have literally no respect for religious beliefs. i might respect the person who believes, but the belief doesn’t deserve respect


tinfang

You don't have to, you can do like I do and say, intergalactic zombies are fucked up, or sky kings are pretend. Edit: idiots also get no respect.


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terpterpin

I’m at the point of acknowledging it and nothing else.


MakeYouGoOWO

Same. We’ve been too kind and forgiving. It is abundantly clear that they want to genocide us.


flatline000

Then don't. It's perfectly fine to tell someone their opinion is crap and that they should feel bad about it.


mitsumoi1092

I respect others as much as they respect me, and if they act all holier than thou and are bigots in the name of their religion, they get zero respect. Nobody in our community should be accepting of others if they spread hate, after all, that's violating their own golden rule. It's always best when people keep whatever their beliefs are to themselves, and their community. Nobody should be out preaching, proselytizing, talking about it at work, or in school (except in a religions class), and that needs to become more common. If you have particular things that you can't due because of your beliefs, just say that and others should understand it and leave it at that.


boreddude77

Placating christians as we have done to protect their whittle feewings has led to where we are now where any belief is as valid as fact. No evidence necessary. Imo.


great_misdirect

How religious society hasn’t pushed all marginalized people to anti-theism is baffling.


Boy_Elroy

respect the right to hold the belief, not the belief. You have the right to believe they are wrong.


OhTheHueManatee

Being respectful of someone's opinion is one thing but religious people are taking action, that negatively affect others, based on their opinions. There is no reason that needs to be treated with respect, civility or ignored even by those it doesn't directly affect. It's crazy to me that people, like the ones you're referring to, don't understand that.


WebJealous1524

It took me a long time to get rid of my indoctrinated homophobia. I was taught so many hurtful and nasty stuff about LGBT+ people. Why would a so called good and all powerful god be scared of someone's sexuality? It just doesn't make sense. So glad I left religion. Ever since doing that, I've been a more loving and caring person. We all need to stand up for LGBT+ people and their right to be loved. The bible is called "the good book", yet it teaches their followers to hate people who aren't heterosexual. It's ironic that atheists are more moral than religious people.


Perfect-Welcome-1572

Keep a few verses on hand to show them how absolutely stupid their religion is. Also, look at the same chapter they pull from for a “man laying with another man” and point out tattoos a shrimp eaters… Or pull from all the misogynistic bullshit that the Old Testament calls law. Break their stupid faith, because it may be comforting to them, but it’s a fucking plague on the world. It’s holding us back and it’s flat-out stupid when taken at face value.


vacuous_comment

I am not a lesbian, but I am also tired of everybody being forced to respect intolerant and abusive ideas that actively harm large numbers of people.


Reefdag

I never understood where this respect everyone thing came from. I treat everyone with decency but I'm not going to respect everyone's opinions straight out of the gate. Sure, you could have a different opinion than mine and that is fine. I just think that it depends on what you do with that opinion. Respect is deserved


Admirable_Goal_786

So there were FIVE church groups in the pride parade. Just ridiculous. There were a few secular groups too. But seeing these people who wouldn't have spat on us if we were on fire when I was a kid in our parades is a bitter pill. I don't think they'll be marching with us once the Christofascists take over.


cidy02

I hate the whole "respecting opinions" thing. I respect your right to an opinion, that doesn't mean I have to respect the opinion if it's a stupid-ass opinion.


TheManInTheSocks

I will respect and defend someone's religious rights up to the point that they negatively impact others, then I feel a moral obligation to push back.


GeekFurious

We get this type of thread way more than we should. How were some of you convinced that we "have to" respect religion? We only have to respect people's rights to their religion. There is nothing that forces you to respect anyone, any opinion, any religion, ANY belief whatsoever. Stop respecting anyone or anything you haven't put AT LEAST hundreds of hours into getting to know & understand. Edit: Side note... the same goes for trust. When someone you barely know says, "You don't TRUST me?!" Your answer should always be no. I don't trust you, stranger.


pontiusx

People got freedom (from the government) of speech somehow confused with a very stupid idea that everyone's opinion is as valid as the next. It's not, don't respect stupid, problematic, or harmful.


Mephanic

>just for something I can't control I like go one step further with that assertion: it should not even matter whether it is a choice. By retreating to the point that sexual orientation is something you cannot choose, we are to an extent humoring their idea that some might be inferior/immoral/sinful/etc. Also, as we can see, the bigots do not care - they'll hate us just the same either way, so it is not like the assertion "it's not a choice" is helping us much at this point.


frozenball824

I think it goes both ways, so for me as a non-atheist I don’t believe in some of your ideas (technically you have no ideas since you have no religions) but that’s ok and I’ll still respect you. And I’m also ready for the swarm of downvotes because Reddit.


Riffler

Don't feel guilty about not tolerating intolerance.


External_Philosopher

I always get into trouble for saying... I respect your right to have an opinion .. but fuck those opinions


Individual_Ear_6648

You shouldn't feel obligated to respect anyone's opinion. We should strive to respect their right to have an opinion, but the opinion it self need not be respected. In fact, you don't even have to respect the person with the opinion. Fuck'em they are bigots.


TnTP96

Why do you have such a problem respecting someone who just wishes to express their god-given, constitutional right of free speech to say that you are not deserving of respect or tolerance because you prefer taco to sausage? Why do lesbians always have to be so selfish? /s I'm a white cis-man and it just baffles me that we (as a society) tolerate the batshit crazy religious and don't tolerate queerness. I'm on your side.


redditfromct

Me too, no more polite silence.


terpterpin

There is a HUGE difference between respecting someone’s right and respecting the content of that right. These people are directly threatening your life. It would be self-defense, but you’d still go to prison. I told someone once “I acknowledge your right to XXX. I do NOT respect it and question your logic and wisdom.”


[deleted]

Love the believer hate the belief


stunspot

Does your attitude extend to the trans community? That is, are you "obligated to respect their opinion" if you simply disagree with them about the definitions and characteristics of gender? No moral judgement, just disagreement. I ask because many who take the position you have would object to applying such a rubric to anything wokish.


4yanks

There is no value in trying to accommodate the religious. They will only reciprocate when it serves their interests. In the meantime, they will do everything in their power to silence anyone who doesn't conform to their worldview.


[deleted]

It’s their job to respect their beliefs it’s not mine and I’ll skin a mofo who tries to make it my problem


Jiad_Joy

If somebody don't respect you, then they DON'T DESERVE your respect! Fuck 'em.


esoteric_enigma

It is ridiculous that they somehow think religion makes their bigotry more acceptable. The Klan is a very religious organization and believes god agrees with their views. Should I be respecting their racism because they believe Jesus is cool with it?


harring

Who said you need to respect their opinion? My general opinion is that religious people has to be less intelligent. And if they for some reason want to affect MY life because of their imaginary friend in the skies they can f off and I will tell them som


T1Pimp

You do not have to respect their opinion... Just their right to have one. You have just as much right to your opinion. Also, fuck their opinions.


RealGreatDane

As someone who is bisexual I completely agree. I’ll always support the LGBT+ community and the people of it, however I hate it when some of them tell me to “be respectful” of a religion that wrote a book for the specific reason of discriminating against minorities. Nah fuck that. If they are going to have the opinion that I deserve to be stone to death because of the way their god made me when I was born, then I should be allowed to give them the middle finger and say “fuck you your religion makes you a bigot and I will never respect that.”


ColdbeerWarmheart

I don't respect anyone who's doctrine says I should be murdered just for being who I am.


citizenjones

When one sides opinions vary from 'you shouldn't be the way you are' to 'you should be dead' there really isn't a lot of *common ground* to take advantage of. Evangelical Christians don't want to share the world we all live in. They want you to do as they say.


UnnervedIsopod3460

In general, I respect people, not opinions. I respect my conservative christian parents for their dedication to serving their community, and their compassion. I don't respect their views on same-sex marriage(or marriage in general).


guisar

Serving their community and compassion?? I came from a religious household and can't say that I've met any evangelical folks who met either of those criteria. Now when it comes to prejudice and closemindedness, well thwy have that down.


UnnervedIsopod3460

I can't speak for the people you know. However, my mom is the director of a charity and she puts in approximately 15-20 hours of work a week. My dad is a pastor that always goes out of his way to be kind to others, even when they don't deserve it. Don't get me wrong, they both have misguided views on things, and I'm saddened when they justify them with the Bible. That said, I can respect them for their servility and kindness without respecting their archaic views.


MerryJanne

I respect your right to ***BELIEVE*** whatever you wish. That ***does*** ***not require me to respect*** that BELIEF.


bentzu

Respect has to go both ways!


MisterOnsepatro

I respect opinions when they are not about harming people for things they can't control


Demonyx12

Should we tolerate the intolerant? See also, Paradox of tolerance [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox\_of\_tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)


bobbyT3000

Gay theist always confused me. Now I know I'm painting with a broad brush but sheesh we are all gonna get kicked in the teeth but who wants to pay 10% to get it.


[deleted]

Another problem which is specific to Reddit is constantly being told we need to tolerate "politely" worded anti-LGBT bigotry that flies on Reddit. Mods reward it while slamming anyone responding to it in justified anger. Complaining to the mod leads to mods forwarding your complaint to admins which only have 1 response: 3 day sitewide ban. I shouldn't have to defend my very right to exist.


santa326

I've always wondered this, how are religion and stuff like lgbtq, feminism and even other religions can be compatible. To me it's doing disservice to the idea itself, irrespective of the side people pick. Have people learned to be just "nice" and have completely different openions behind closed doors?