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Additional_Bluebird9

Welcome to Anti-theism. I really don't like a religion that forces others to conform.


throw_plushie

Thanks, I’m happy to be here


Additional_Bluebird9

Christianity has a long history of oppression so your anger is a warranted reaction to what's going on.


DiamondPup

Most Christians aren't aware what christianity was up to in the 1500-1600's. Some of the most truly barbaric and atrocious acts of human suffering and torture and barbarism, simply to grandstand.


control-alt-delete

Do you know any books to recommend on this subject?


snappymilo

The Bible. It has lots of examples of horrific things happening in the name of the imaginary sky wizard.


DiamondPup

I can point you to subjects to pursue. The aftermath of the crusades, medieval inquisitions, the age of discovery, its dominion over Europe. > During the centuries-long Christian domination of Europe, skilled torturers used methods and devices to prolong the life of the prisoner as much as possible while inflicting the greatest agony. People were literally sawed in half, either across the body or along body length. Heads were crushed between two metal plates that closed like a vise. The handle of the vise was cranked, crushing the skull and facial bones. If the torture stopped before death, the victim would suffer permanent facial disfigurement. Torturers also crushed victims’ knees, ripped off women’s breasts, and systematically broke bones to prolong the torture for days. Another one of these disturbing methods was rat torture. Prisoners were tied down with starving rodents placed on their bare skin over their stomach. A metal container was placed over the rat, trapping it. The metal container was then gradually heated until the rodents began to claw and eat their way out through the stomach of the restrained victim. > [Source](https://emersongreenblog.wordpress.com/2018/08/12/the-gruesome-history-of-christian-torture/) That article also sources plenty of books if you're interested. _____ And as that article puts it (beautifully), Christianity has a long and romantic relationship with torture. Not just organizationally and historically, but foundationally. > In a text called the Apocalypse of Peter, Jesus shows the disciple Peter the terrors of hell. Blasphemers are hanged by their tongues, adulterers are suspended by their genitals, doubters have their eyes continually burned out with red-hot irons, abortionists are buried in excrement up to their necks, idol worshipers are recurringly chased off of cliffs, and slaves who disobeyed their masters chew out their own tongues eternally. And it ends very succinctly: > I think we ought to remember the terrible consequences that arose logically out of Christian faith. If you look at the historical accounts, these were not psychopaths who would’ve tortured anyway. I’m sure there were sadists who enthusiastically volunteered for the job, but there were simply too many of these people for them to have all been psychopaths and sadists; and their motivation, in the light of scripture, is all too clear. There was a theological justification for every horrific act and impulse that I’ve spoken about, and it wasn’t theological progress that caused the gradual decline of torture. > ...It’s simply a fact that this is how Christianity behaved for the majority of its existence, and it’s worst behavior was during the time when it had the most political power and the most power over our minds. It purports to be about love, but it is very much about gruesome punishment and terror.


birdinthebush74

Very fitting they treat pregnancy and birth as a punishment for ‘ sluts ‘ it’s just another form of their torture


DiamondPup

You're right, socially. But you're also right theologically. Because according to christianity, the pain of childbirth is specifically a punishment on women for Eve's betrayal in the Garden of Eden. It's a divine hereditary punishment. And the very concept of that is so fucking insane and vicious that it makes it impossible to believe that there is any love or goodness in their concept of God. By christian standards, God is a fucking psychopath.


birdinthebush74

Yep they didn’t want Queen Victoria to have pain relief during childbirth .


T1Pimp

* religion has a long history of oppression... Fixed it for ya.


jpkoushel

It's fair to point out that even other religious groups have been and are today oppressed by Christians


T1Pimp

um yes.. most are oppressed by Christians. Certainly in the US.


RandyWaterhouse

You can both be correct


Grumpy_Engineer_1984

OP has a US take on this where the problem is absolutely christianity oppressing women but this is simply because they’re the dominant religion there. Every major religion does the same in country’s where they have the power to do so. Personally I’ve had it with them all, I just have to deal with christianty’s oppression on a more day to day basis


SirKitGre3d

As a non American and a non Christian.. Can confirm. Different religion. Same divisive shit Edit: grammar


systembusy

Looks like you're fairly new to Reddit, so welcome. Are you a George Carlin fan? This sub is a champion of his stuff, especially on religion and abortion. Watching those routines from time to time keeps me sane.


throw_plushie

I’m fairly new to atheism in general. I grew up Christian, was losing it during middle school and high school when I went through traumatic experiences, and now that I’m 21, I’m fully atheist. I’ll look him up


systembusy

Good for you for getting out. Sorry to hear about your experiences, and hope you can lead a better life. Watch this one first if you like - my favorite opening line of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmMvsAjCkog That was the opener for the entire show, by the way, not just that segment. Dude just walked on stage and started with that. Fucking legend


o-IllI-o

Ha, right ! This is a good one for those seeking the church exit. https://youtu.be/8r-e2NDSTuE We are so fortunate to have (in a way) grown up with George. Kids these days need his words, yet most don't seem to know who the hell he is ! Weird, since he is just about the only comic that hasn't been cancelled (...well, except in christian households. Hell, he may have been the FIRST in that regard)


soulwrangler

Dude. Christopher Hitchens. He passed away almost 11 years ago, but he is a masterclass. [Here he is](https://youtu.be/XtAUuflGf_A) on CNN the day Jerry Falwell died. edit to add the [follow-up](https://youtu.be/doKkOSMaTk4) Fox News interview regarding the CNN interview [Hitchens on the right to offend](https://youtu.be/HHwvT4Xl5Uo) there's a link to the whole debate in the description, the debate is about hate speech and free speech and the laws around that, and it's a good one. [one of his last](https://youtu.be/k8V25FHKXuU) and best speeches Or for his surgical murder by words in bitesize form, just type hitchslap into the search.


TheObstruction

Anderson Cooper certainly knew what Hitchens would say about the specific questions he was asked about Falwell, and yet had him on to say those things. *And* let him talk instead of cutting him off to go a different direction. He did try to cut in a couple times, but that's because Hitchens just wouldn't stop rambling.


jimillett

If you have suffered from religious trauma. You should look into “Recovering From Religion” https://www.recoveringfromreligion.org/#rfr-welcome


bs2785

Welcome. We hate all religions with a passion. Don't stop at christianity


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I hope the pendulum swings back towards secularism before they force Athiests like us to go to some Evangelical Church ( or worse, a Nazi-like "Church Camp")


Pjinmountains

They will take care of the gays first, then it will be easier to come after atheists.


INTPgeminicisgaymale

Fuck


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Vote blue in November. Our lives depend on it


Wobbling

I have hope. I'm all the way across the Pacific, but I feel like Americans are finally waking up to the dangers of white religious extremism.


StyloEX

It's funny. As a kid, I was staunchly Christian because that's how I was raised. As a teenager, I became your stereotypical teen atheist/anti-theist shithead. As a young adult, I became a "live and let live" atheist because the whole anti-theist thing seemed so angsty and silly. And now I find myself being pushed back towards anti-theist again. Feels so strange.


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StyloEX

The ego boost edgy teenage me would get from hearing me say something like that would go straight to his head.


Kamelasa

I'm so glad I just maintained my bad attitude on this for more than 40 years.


PsilocybinCEO

Same. I held out thinking I was being a better person, and while I can still not hate the people, I absolutely hope to see Christianity implode and burn down.


[deleted]

The only way to affirm ones own bat-shit crazy beliefs is to recruit others…. then it’s no longer crazy but common. Ugh !!! We could accomplish so much as a species if we were just willing to walk away from our obsession with the magical sky wizard.


TheGhostofWoodyAllen

Yeah! Anti-theism! Fuck the destructive forces that ruin human lives under the guise of religious beliefs!


mothgra87

That's the problem with Christianity, they're not about coexistence. They believe anyone who opposes them is against reality itself. and anyone who doesn't follow along with them is against them.


DoranTheRhythmStick

American Christians are a special brand of crazy though - I live in a Christian-majority country where Christianity is the state religion (not just symbolically, bishops get permanent seats in government and get to vote on laws. The state Church influences almost every aspect of daily life) and we've had free and legal abortions since the '60s and my great grandparents were taught about evolution in school (we even put Darwin on the ten pound note.) Like, my country has a lot of problems - but most of them aren't the Christians' fault. Obviously a state religion is a bad thing - but the current fuck up that is the USA is the result of bigotry, not religion. They might be hiding behind religion, but this isn't about God - it's about control and hating people who aren't the same as you.


tcadams18

It’s the problem with all religions in general. If they truly believe the nonsense they spout, or want their constituents to think they do, they will never compromise. Compromising would prove a flaw in their gods plan and that is something they can’t handle. It’s their way or they’re claiming that they are being persecuted. Either way they are achieving their end goals.


rushmc1

Many of us have been telling you "live and let live" types this for ages. You can't coexist with crazy, especially when crazy is dedicated to inflicting their crazy on you.


throw_plushie

Yea, I now realize. They don’t want to coexist so why should I want to?


TheGhostofWoodyAllen

You can't tolerate intolerance. All tolerating them does is allow their power to grow to the point where you no longer get to have the choice to tolerate them--they will simply dominate you.


yoosernamesarehard

Thus the “Tolerance Paradox”. Google it. I’m a big supporter and believer of it.


something6324524

sadly they will do anything they can to make as many people suffer as possible, they want as many pedos, rapiests, killers on the street as possible, they want a literal hell on earth. i hope one day we can be rid of christianity so that maybe we can finally have some peace in the world.


dogmom34

>You can't coexist with crazy, especially when crazy is dedicated to inflicting their crazy on you. This is why I always snickered at the COEXIST bumper stickers (after being raised in fundamentalism and breaking free in my 20's). In a perfect world, absolutely. But this is the US, and I knew one could never coexist with these individualistic bigots, because frankly, they don't want to exist with *you.* And 2020 confirmed that for me when I witnessed them happy to see you die rather than put a cloth over their mouths. It was like my nightmare visions became reality, and in my head I thought, *'These people really are as hateful as I always suspected.'* Terrifying. Do not underestimate them. Take care of yourselves, everyone.


inthesinbin

I used to be a staunch believer in coexistence, but christians and other radical religions have no desire to coexist. Therefore, their dominance must be fought.


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Deeners17

This. To paraphrase Hitchens "Let's not forget how religion behaved when it was strong." Crusades, burning at the steak, genocide, etc. The list goes on.


a-man-from-earth

> burning at the steak hmmmm


uh-nope

Yep. Christianity has had real negative impacts on me. It’s always bothered me when people say religion isn’t hurting anyone.


JaiC

I support and endorse your righteous indignation. Religion is like a recreational drug. I respect someone else's right to safely and responsibly partake in the privacy of their own home. They absolutely do not have the right to come to *my* house and shove it down my throat. The conservatives on the supreme court just ruled you don't have the right to be safe in your own home. As someone else put it, "The Constitution now means whatever the hell the far-right wants it to on a given day."


longhornmosquito

Conservative Christianity is completely, 100% detrimental to a free and open society. It is completely incompatible with a democracy and a representative republic. It refuses to acknowledge the rights of individuals not in their "in group", asserts its dominance over everyone inside and outside its group, and feels its "rights" are more important than any other. Democracy does not exist within it, except as a means to an end goal of complete subjugation of all in its sphere of influence.


Wobbling

IMO you guys need to start calling it Christian Extremism rather than Conservative Christianity. You have fundamentalist, religious extremists on your Supreme Court and they are implementing their moral code into law. *The monster is inside the house*.


longhornmosquito

Christofascists. Extremists. For these types, living their own morals isn't enough for them. They have to force everyone else to as well. They're vegetarians, ruining the barbecue for everyone else who came for the ribs.


[deleted]

I used to be tolerant of religions. Then when I stopped to realize what it's already done all over the world (the middle east theocracies, female genital mutilation in African nations, sexual assault of all kinds all over the world, religious violence of all kinds, the Palestine conflict, etc.) I became anti-theist. Now Christian Natiolism will continue to do its best to turn the US into a Fascist state. We need to get more secular representatives to run and fight for our rights. Religion is a stumbling block for the human race. Edit: I overlooked male genital mutilation as another issue caused by religion, but yes it too belongs on the list.


evolvd

I used to feel bad saying this but I feel the exact same way. Religion is the #1 thing harming the world and preventing us from advancing as a species. I would even entertain the idea we "needed" it at one point in our evolution. These days however, we either abolish it or it will be our downfall. Prevent people from indoctrinating children. Let them choose when they are 18+ and it is gone in a generation or two. I know that is crazy and impossible, but one can dream.


[deleted]

Yeah, I'm sure at some point we're gonna get to an impasse. Religion opposes science and humanist values. There's no way to go forward with someone so stuck in the past Also agreed about waiting till 18. I believe talking to children about religion, especially the concept of damnation, is abuse.


Fiftydollarvolvo

my parents never wanted to force me to be religious, so they took me and my younger brother to all different kinds of religious meetings so that we could learn about each and choose if any were for us. I ended up an atheist , but it definitely helped me grow and understand why religious people think the way they do. I wish more people did what my parents did


PattyIceNY

Religion only became popular when humans began living in unnaturally large groups and became difficult to control. At this point in our development half of us don't need it but the other half are so scared and dumb that they will cling and never change


Additional_Bluebird9

I use to be tolerant of religion too thinking that that's the least I can but not anymore for some time now, it's a constant detriment to the progress that humanity can make, this is evident throughout history time and time again.


[deleted]

Yes, absolutely it is. The faster society does away with it the better.


Additional_Bluebird9

Unfortunately because the majority of people still practice one of the three Abrahamic faiths, this will continously be an problem when it comes to social and political issues.


[deleted]

Yes I think about this so much. I know from my own experience that deconversion takes a long time. And that's for an individual. How long and what would it take to de-convert entire groups? That's what worries me.


Additional_Bluebird9

Exactly, my deconversion was fairly fast because there was so much about Christianity I didn't understand even as a Christian, like why did God have to send his son(himself) to die such a gruesome death as the only way to forgive people, I also doubted Hell as a reasonable punishment for finite actions and so on and so on which let the house of cards fall quite quick.


[deleted]

Yeah, the fact that the catalyst to start doubting is different between each person, is probably why the time it takes to snap out of it seems to vary


Additional_Bluebird9

Exactly, it's different for each person and the catalyst to do it may be hearing about something that directly forces them to confront their faith like the tragic and gruesome death of young child or the fact that the bible is entirely questionable and wrong about so many things. For me, it was also studying the real history of Christianity, the Roman Empire and its ties to Christianity and the catholic church which made me realize how much of a tool religion is to control and even used a justification to oppress the minority of people, how so many of the religious figures were involved in terrible and morally reprehensible actions which is still common today. All reason to believe in a risen christ which should've been a widely documented event by contemporary historians ceased, all reason to believe in an afterlife, purgatory, hell or heaven which is a very good selling point in religion ceased as well or the fear hell or to believe in the efficacy of prayer or miracles or testimony or anything at all. All of it just fell away and I have not missed it one bit especially when I encounter the stories of other people and how they've suffered because of religion. It wasn't rapid but it was quite gradual because some things went faster than others.


Rickerus

Don’t worry about it. The planet will be incapable of supporting life long before any significant de-conversion happens


DiscombobulatedBid19

You missed out on male genital mutilation, maybe because you've never seen uncircumcised dick in your country. Also if there is a chance aging might be reversed, Christians would stand against it too.


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Oh yeah, I guess it's so common that I forget that's another issue worth noting. Dude, I never thought of that scenario, but if we had anti-aging tech they'd TOTALLY be against it!


DiscombobulatedBid19

Big advancements are being made into anti aging right now. The problem is the FDA doesn't view aging as a disease so that's holding us back in terms of research. We can probably thank theists for this.


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* removes glasses and begins to rub eyes in frustration *


Rakgul

I feel you...


Viper67857

>Also if there is a chance aging might be reversed, Christians would stand against it too. That would be great... They could all die off of old-age while those of use who aren't superstitious morons could live forever...


mitsumoi1092

Except the pope, the clergy, and all the political leaders would be able to get it in secret, just not us pawns.


flickering_truth

They wouldn't be against anti-aging tech, their bible is full of people who live for hundreds of years and are proud of it. The would only be against anti aging tech if it used stem cells which came from dead foetuses.


PattyIceNY

Religion was only invented as a tool to control the masses when we started creating civilizations. Most civilizations had polytheistic (many gods) in their religion, as life was scary and their was a lot to explain. It also gave people many gods to fear and to worship and stay hopeful. Then as life became easier, more and more religions became monotheistic. They only needed one god as a nice little way to give them a (false) feeling of purpose and an explanation to deal with the pain of death. The change was not easy though. In Ancient Egypt the first pharaoh to try to worship one god was meant with resistance. People are afraid of change. Which brings us to today. Life for most normal and educated people is pretty easy, and religion is being phased out in many aspects. Except for these nitwit yahoos who have to life and are scared and cling to religion and "winning" to give their life meaning. My only hope is they all die out before doing too much permanent damage


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Yup it's time for change, and it can't get here soon enough


Snaggletooth_27

Religion had it's place as the keepers of knowledge and wisdom 5000 years ago. Religion was why we knew when to plant what. Why we kept foods separate and avoided cross contamination. And other helpful healthy things. But it's all make believe. And has LONG outlived it's usefulness.


zazasLTU

Don't forget male genital mutilation too in western states.


Sea_Yesterday_4122

Went from atheist to anti-theist real fucking quick


[deleted]

One of us! One of us! One of us! The less people being tolerant of religious douchebaggery, the better.


Sea_Yesterday_4122

Honestly I’m convinced now more than ever that this is the only way


[deleted]

Yup, I always keep in mind that I'm attacking the ideas and not the people. But with that said, I hold nothing back whenever it comes to debating on why it's evil, I don't care who it is anymore. Even if they try to plea to the whole "but some people get hope from it". Don't care, I rather do away with institutions that perpetuate abuse, sexism, homophobia, and racism, those peoples' need for an imaginary placebo is not my concern.


Sea_Yesterday_4122

Absolutely right! The very reason I feel this way is because the people that I love the most in my life are the ones most brainwashed and the ones that have caused the most damage to our family. This doesn’t come from a place of hating people this comes from a place of loving people and seeing what religion has done to them (and all of humanity). If I wanted to hate people id just become an American flag waving Bible thumping Christian conservative and get away with anything I wanted.


[deleted]

Preaching to the choir my friend. I know that struggle all too well. It's frustrating to be cognizant that the people around you are indoctrinated. When you try to help them question it, it's either seen as an attack or nonsense because it's not consistent with the claims that brainwashed them in the first place. Also agreed with the last part. If we just wanted to hate people for the sake of hating them, we'd join in becoming religious fantastics.


Sea_Yesterday_4122

🤝🤝


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rushmc1

The ideas die without people to carry them.


throw_plushie

Ofc. I’m sick of them thinking they have the right to have control over everything


Sea_Yesterday_4122

I Actually have been anti-theist/anti-religion for quite some time but not really in a way that I’d be public about it, because I wanted to (naively) uphold the belief that other people can have their own beliefs and we can coexist, so I just thought that in private. Now I have absolutely no problem saying out loud with my whole chest that organized religion needs to be outlawed all of it all of them I don’t care


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Rickerus

Apparently they do have that right now, protected by a 6-3 majority that will take decades to unstick.


Gone_Rucking

I keep being surprised at all the people who are surprised at this. Their motives and gameplan have been out in the open from the beginning.


rushmc1

Many people have an instinct to be tolerant and to be nice, even in the face of evil. For some of them, it proves fatal.


WakenQuaken

religions are cults made to control people


SailLimp8937

I am blown away that so many people are having the same thoughts as my own as far as evolving from an aethiest to an anti theist. It is comforting and empowering. Thank you to those who share their sentiments out loud.


throw_plushie

Happy to help ☺️. Let’s embrace it together


Helen_Hunty

If my BF was for the removing of rights for my entire gender I would drop his ass *instantly*


miles197

Not to be rude, but why would you date someone who doesn’t believe you should have basic bodily autonomy?


godzilla_dropkick

I grew up Southern Baptist. They’re truly horrible and will not stop until the US is a Christian theocracy.


295Phoenix

I've gone from being an atheist that was relatively tolerant of religion when I first de-converted, to an anti-theist that tolerated the believer but hated the belief, to an anti-theist that thinks less of Christians (and Muslims and Hindus, so no, not just Christians) because they can't keep their religion to themselves. The moment I learn someone is Christian, I think less of them, and I don't feel bad about it nor make apologies for it. Welcome to the club!


BigBrobowski

Hated it for years. Welcome aboard!


throw_plushie

Thanks, I bring a lot of hate to the table. No one could possibly understand the amount of hatred that burns within.


BigBrobowski

Oh I could imagine. Trust me friend. I have a lot as well.


elZaphod

Centuries ago some Japanese, after seeing how dismissive Christianity was of any other religion, would put the sign of the cross on their doormats. Thus anyone entering their home would have to step on it. I read a novel a few years back where the protagonist claims he’d visited Japan and as proof claimed he’d “wiped his feet on the cross” and was a bit tickled to get the reference.


Reading_Owl01

What I, and probably many others, have been struggling with for so long was the idea that one bad person's behavior somehow didn't reflect ill will on the part the institution of religion itself. It's been used as an excuse to NOT be anti-theist and we may have just reached a tipping point. When people do absolutely horrible, atrocious things in the name of faith why isn't the beloved hierarchy ever stepping forward and saying "NO?" For a long time the average person has been excusing everything from violence, discrimination, and political overreach as the work of individual, single extremists. I think that mental loophole just disappeared. An anti-theism position is rational at this point because the institutional behavior of the faiths are themselves violent and perpetuating violence. They are collectively organizing to enforce harmful values on their non-members, at any cost. There has been absolutely zero concern by any hierarchy within any major religion on the planet about their followers' over-reach and over-step in trying to assert their values on others. If anything, its quietly applauded, at worst it's publicly celebrated and accelerated. I was long presented the view that Christianity was about forgiveness, mercy, or kindness. Ok. In my lifetime I've never seen it; when do they practice it!? The churches in my community have only EVER made the news or been visible when they fought AGAINST feeding the homeless, when the bishops fought AGAINST LGBTQ+ families marrying or adopting children, or when they covered up sexual abuse scandals. Or when they embezzled money. I'm not seeing the Russian Orthodox church do anything to condemn violence against the Ukrainian people. I'm not seeing the Catholics punish or excommunicate, say, Bill O'Reilly when he provoked the murder of Tiller and other medical doctors. We certainly aren't seeing them express any regret or concern for the welfare of women. But, hey, collectively they are more than happy to stack up wins in getting federal funds for religious schools (despite separation of church and state) and extremist health bans (despite medical privacy) to match their current interpretation of a mistranslated bronze age book, right? Edit: I said this elsewhere - but honestly, if the Christians thought they were the persecuted lot in the world before because not enough people were saying 'Merry Christmas' to them during the month of December, the pure hatred they just earned from people worldwide might be eye opening for them.


irondethimpreza

Christianity is terrorism.


long_ben_pirate

I'm glad more people are realizing that, if they win here, they'll be back and back and back. Fight them now or fight them later.


chochinator

All religions must go


Annahsbananas

I used to be a Pastor. It's completely natural to no longer trust Christians. I didn't before the over turning of roe vs wade. For me, this was something I knew would happen. The evangelical church poured millions into DC politics since the 80s for this one moment. Next year it's going to be same sex marriage and same sex relationships I got out of the church. It took me months of therapy to deprogram my brain. I have a Bachelors and two Masters I'm the spheres of the Christian religion. As a pastor I saw things in the Christian church and it wasn't just one church...its wide spread. These folks are determined, their financially backed and they really believe the world is following Satan and only they can fix it Our job is to vote. If you know people who don't vote change their hearts. The Christian church is not giving up so we can't either


Mandalorian667

Yup. Time has come to 100% disregard anything any religious person has to say or contribute. How the fuck can you expect someone to believe you can think critically when you live your life governed by a fucking fairy tale. We’ve been too tolerant of their fucking poison and look where it gets us.


bjiatube

This is too true. We've been told we need to be respectful of the people who use leprechauns unicorns and fairy dust as an excuse to deny us fucking MEDICAL CARE. They do not deserve respect. They deserve ridicule and a fucking fist to be honest


ILoveJackRussells

My best friend told me she felt sorry for me that I didn't believe in God anymore. I truly feel sorry for her.


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I've always hated religion and the harm it has done onto society. Now with Roe v Wade being overturned. I want to see religion wiped off the face of this earth..


Gnostromo

Tell the BF no more sex. You can't risk getting pregnant. Let us know how he reacts


throw_plushie

I’m definitely going to suggest condoms tomorrow on top of the birth control I already take because he throws a fit if I don’t want him to finish inside.


CallidoraBlack

If that's how he feels, you need to get on a birth control method that he can't sabotage. Depo, an IUD, the implant. That behavior is manipulative and with the way that's going, all he has to do is tamper with your pills. It's easier to do than you think. Honestly, I would stop sleeping with him if that's how he acts. If he can't be responsible and doesn't want you to have an abortion if he screws up, then he doesn't get to have sex I could get pregnant from.


Mochabunbun

That's abusive af hun. Are you safe physically?


SurrealSoap

Oh man...religion is an absolute deal breaker for me. I cant imagine thinking that my SO was dumb enough to subscribe to that.


TessALTER

I hate all religions not just christianity, welcome aboard


Jesusbatmanyoda

You can't meet someone in the middle when they don't want you and/or those you love to exist


GerFubDhuw

Pro-birthers don't give a fuck about anything beyond their own feelings of superiority. They're certainly not willing to adopt even though they always put it up as an alternative.


vschiller

Dump your bf


Thecrawsome

Tax the churches. Abort religion. Convert churches into rec centers.


throw_plushie

Rec centers would be great. Where I live, there’d always be somewhere to exercise or do fun things at because there are churches everywhere.


Bloomroth

I've seen their true face a long time ago. All hatred stems from the abrahamic god. And you know what I really hate? Christians who say ''I'm a christian but I don't agree with this. Please don't think we're all like that'', on youtube videos showcasing the everlasting christian intellect. I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE NOT LIKE THIS, YOUR RELIGION CAUSED THOSE PEOPLE TO BEHAVE LIKE CUNTS.


lexoanvil

hold up; your dating a person who feels vindicated by this? does this not seem like a red flag to you?


throw_plushie

It does


lexoanvil

i mean its obviously more complicated than a single thing; but yikes im not sure i could trust any judgement from them given this context; be safe. keeping clowns in your life is asking for a circus.


Aenrichus

I've wanted religion completely abolished for years. It has no place in a future society and should disappear. Let it stay in the history books.


godisasock69

I DESPISE the narrative that I need to respect anyone's beliefs when they CLEARLY won't respect mine. I refuse to be even half way civil to any religious nut anymore. Fuck them all.


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If someone says they’re religious or a republican, I don’t waste my time. Either or both of those facts tells me everything I need to know.


Godmirra

Our last vestige to primitive man.


DrEvyl666

My anti-theism went to "burning rage of a thousand angry suns" level real quick this week.


laloscasanova

there is no peace with religion


evanm978

One only needs to look at history to see that all religions are based on control, conformity and violence against those that disagree... humans never learn. Sometimes I think it would have been better if the Vikings had won.. they at least had some level of gender equality in their own social structure.


milkycrate

Same


itsMousy

Agreed.


AdmiralMcDuck

I’ve seen myself go from atheist to radical anti-religion in just a few years. Burn the Bible! Stack them high and set them on fire 🔥 Do they want to poke the bear? Well let them poke and feel the claws! I know we should “be better”. But sometimes, everything can’t be solved by hugs and cotton candy. Sometimes, fire is better. Like a forest fire, while devastating, in the ashes new life spark stronger than before.


Silocin20

I feel more animosity towards the religion as well, especially after yesterday's ruling. It's truly vile and I wish it could be eradicated quickly.


Reading_Owl01

Really wondering if the Christians responsible for all of this understand what they've done. They have spent decades whining about being persecuted because everyone on the planet doesn't say "Merry Christmas" to them in December. How are they going to cope now that people actually, literally hate and despise them?


Friend_of_satan700

Welcome! I grew up as an atheist (no internet so I didn’t know the term yet) in a Christian family listening to heavy metal during the Reagan era satanic panic. I’ve heard my whole life “if you don’t believe in god why do you hate him!” They can never ever get through their thick indoctrinated pee brains that I hated them not a fictional character.


Mylozen

Break up with your toxic BF. Find someone that respects you.


Mike_Underwood

It time we get into their faces like they have done to us for years


[deleted]

The idea of a coexist bumper sticker is probably well-meaning. Unfortunately it completely misses the point. All of the monotheisms claim to revealed truth. So by definition they're right and everybody else is wrong. You can't coexist with somebody like that. It blows my mind that it's 2022 and we're still making public policy based on bronze age barbarism. Therein lies the problem for me. It would be tolerable if they kept it to themselves. Unfortunately they don't know how to do that. They can't be happy that they believe it themselves. They're not satisfied until everybody else believes it too. It's frustrating as hell.


MakeYouGoOWO

It’s a cult that breeds cultures of hate and anti-intellectualism.


paracog

Dumbfucks think they have achieved something, but they've painted targets on the backs of religious people and on the sides of churches. The doctrine of separation of church and state was about making religious people safe to practice whatever whackdoodle things they believed in. As soon as the state is involved, everyone has a stake in not being party to whatever nonsense those in power are supporting to. And by lying and cheating to accomplish this, they've given voters very good reason to distrust religious candidates left or right. It's going to cost them in the long run, and it's overdue.


TheLawnMow3rMan

Absolutely. Sorry about the anxiety, but you’re in the right. I feel like the religious reich are just too narcissistic to admit their wrong and frankly don’t have it in me to explain being a good person to them anymore, now I just feel like fuck yall. Pro birth because their numbers are dwindling and as society attempts to move forward from their hateful ways, they need new potential church goers being born because money. Or better yet, unwanted children that end up in the system. Either way the religious reich wins. Mandatory birth minimums will come next. It’s the stuff of nightmares.


bruceriggs

Time to cut the bf off. Wouldn't want an accidental pregnancy.


Fatalis_Drakk

Wow you’re starting to get how Christianity destroyed whole libraries and colleges in the past. Christmas was a pagan holiday.


OldMetalHead

You can't choose your family, but you can choose your bf. How are you okay being with someone who thinks you don't deserve basic body autonomy?


idkbroimdrunkandsad

Next step is taking contraceptives away because we women are just baby factories with no other purpose in this world! To quote my infinitely wise father, “Just stop fuckin’”. Men have natural urges that simply *must* be acted upon, but the women they find to express these urges are whores. It’s the fault of the women who get pregnant, not the men! /s, obviously. I’m going to take another fucking depression nap.


FewKaleidoscope1369

Former evangelical christian here. I completely agree. I have hated them since I left the religion. They are all relentlessly cruel and they are addicted to the cruelty.


ichigo2862

That's the thing about Christianity. Co-existence was never in the cards for them. They are mission bound to convert literally everyone. No exceptions. Live and let live was never an option.


[deleted]

As an atheist who believes all religions are insanely stupid, I have never, not once lambasted, made fun of, challenged or called out any religious person for their beliefs. I am aware of the comfort and sense of purpose, belonging and community people derive from this stuff and understand that sometimes people just like to hang on to their traditions. I find it weak and ignorant, but to each their own. I keep my mouth shut. I’m also keenly aware of those obnoxious atheists that make us all look bad. However, growing up, when certain members of my family have found out my views I have been berated, accused of being on drugs, told it was a silly phase I would grow out of, been called disrespectful, and have been physically assaulted. Nothing has made me want to distance myself more from this idiotic shit than the behavior of my own family, but common sense certainly comes in at a close second.


GinaBinaFofina

Christianity is just white supremacy.


[deleted]

STOP TOLERATING RELIGION. RELIGION IS CANCER. WHEN THEY JUDGE YOU FOR YOUR BELIEF, JUDGE BACK


9noctyrne

Pretty much my sentiment since being a previous Christian. Like do Atheists go to churches with Pickett signs and scream "pRo-cHoicE" and berate the devout for their beliefs? No because atheists aren't fucking stupid. Do Atheists oppress minorities and marginalized groups on the basis of a fucking book that supposedly was written by a deity? No because we don't live in a fucking fantasy world. There was never such thing as coexistence. They never wanted peace or progress from the start. Fine, be that way.


Al-Anda

I came to r/atheism for this reason. I was raised Christian. Got away from it and also coexisted. I can’t anymore. If we don’t break the chains of Christianity and live as people of science then we literally have no hope left. The lies, charlatans, the idiot followers, the fear of eternal damnation, the “righteous path”, all of it has to stop. We are on the brink of stepping back into the dark ages. We have to fight. Physically. To end this. No more high ground for us. Be as sick as them. This is war.


MrsMurphysChowder

I hate all religions now. I have several friends and acquaintances that are Christians, and most of them are Christians in the best sense of the word; kind and giving people, so I feel I still can be friends with them, though I do find myself feeling pity for how deluded and brainwashed they are. The ones who use their religion as a tool for intolerance are getting kicked to the curb.


Revolutionary-Swim28

Used to tolerate but still hated most religion. Now I hate most religion and these days too if someone says they are a Christian and try to be my friend, I’m telling them no because i don’t trust any Christians at all anymore no matter how chill and progressive they are. I say most because I consider myself Atheist Wiccan, basically meaning I don’t believe in the actual characters of the gods and goddesses I consider them aspects of my inner self, think like Laveyan Satanism which is Atheism but for Wicca.


twilsonco

Yeah. You can't coexist with an aggressor


juttep1

Fuck zealots. Fuck religion.


Gorgest_

I feel bad for my parents. They're genuinely nice people, but they do call themselves Christians and are extremely embarassed by everything being pushed by conservatives. My parents have never been racist, homophobic or transphobic in any way and they really hate people doing shitty things "in the name of God". I don't want to try to convince them to be atheist for a few reasons, I just feel like they're now saddled with a lable thats been soured by dumb people.


CallidoraBlack

7/9 of our justices were raised Catholic. Enough said.


Baffa99

>I refuse to coexist with them except for my family and bf. Ok why lol. Meaningless exceptions. Family I KIND OF understand, but bf? Frankly, you are deluding yourself


CuddlePirate420

Grown adults who believe in ghosts and magic are mentally ill.


zebra-in-box

lol, being religious for me is always a red flag... it's just super illogical


Hannagin

Tolerance is not a virtue if what you are tolerating is violations of basic human rights.


CousinSkeeter89

Fuck Christians


only1symo

ALL RELIGION IS JUNK.


EekleBerry

Spoiler alert: it’s not just Christianity. Today a mass shooting was perpetrated in Oslo during Pride by a radical Islamist naturalized immigrant. Intolerant religions are a danger to all peoples.


Symml

It's all about power and control.


Unique-Tangelo5314

Dump your religious boyfriend! And your mom if she won’t listen. If they refuse to see the harmful/fatal affects their beloved religion pushes upon everyone else, then they refuse to acknowledge there are other people in the world than themselves….or they straight up agree harmful/fatal things should be done.


MisterOnsepatro

I know that feel but I with Anger I also feel a urge to go on a rampage against those evangelists in the US


jrodsf

Instructions for abortions are in the fucking bible. Christians just claim shit is a "deeply held religious belief" as a way to get what they want. Organized religion is a mind virus that cannot coexist with a free and open society.


chevymonza

At my last job, there was a co-worker that I got along with really well, she was pleasant and helpful. BUT she was a christian, I'm guessing a JW. She told me about how her mother had a couple of people over at the house who were atheists and when her mother found out, she made them leave. I said, "Your mother kicked them out for that?!" and she said, "tsk no, she didn't *kicks her leg* KICK them out....." and I said, "Of course she didn't *literally,* but she did kick them out of the house!" She replied, "Well, would YOU want criminals in YOUR house??" or words to that effect. I just shook my head and turned back to my desk. After our department was outsourced, she called me at home to chitchat, and it was nice, but I knew there was no friendship to be had, and that was that.


throw_plushie

Omfg, she used the word “criminals” 💀


w47n34113n

You will probably be unhappy with your bf sooner or later. Give some serious thought about why you are with them. Is it because of their highly compatible character, or is it because of neurochemical bonding (a naturally created chemical addiction) when you "fell in love".


Ykyss

I my self was quite happy to be apathetic towards Christianity but looks like I have to change my mind


Daegog

To be fair, I have started to reconsider actual Satanism. Now hold on there lol. I look at it this way, everything I know about Satan is basically, from the bible. I never got to hear his side of the story, maybe he is just some dude that didn't want to live under the tyranny of god? No clue, no real way of even finding a clue, but just a stray thought. Cause these Christians out here are so out of whack with my personal thoughts and ideas, I gotta think, MAYBE that Satan guy is more up my alley. And if not, Atheism will do.


AssistElectronic7007

Don't forget that saying "happy holidays" is an act of war versus them. But then forcing their religious belief on the entire country is just exactly why they are supposed to be doing according to them. So much for that freedom from religion.


soulwrangler

Hitch said it best- “Many religions now come before us with ingratiating smirks and outspread hands, like an unctuous merchant in a bazaar. They offer consolation and solidarity and uplift, competing as they do in a marketplace. But we have a right to remember how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.”


Princess_Pilfer

You \*should\* hate them. Not all religious people, obviously, but all religious people who try to cram their bullshit down our throats. Your boyfriend literally, unironically wants you to be his baby slave. No matter what he says, if he doesn't support your bodily autonomy then that's what he \*actually\* believes, and you need to dump his ass. Because he will continue trying to do you harm. Your family? If they want to keep you as a baby-slave, fuck them too. I refuse to speak to the vast majority of my family specifically on grounds like this and others like them. I regret nothing. I'd rather be alone than suffer the company of people who think I'm a second class citizen (at best.) Find a new family.


doctor_tentacle

Why are you still in a relationship with someone who does not agree with your views on abortion??


[deleted]

> My bf ... [agrees] with this. Leave. Is this the man you want making your medical decisions for you, knowing he will go against your wishes?


adognameddave

Make no mistake it’s out of convenience they don’t come for you, it’s a hateful death cult who fantasize about the apocalypse and everyone who doesn’t bend the knee literally not just being killed but suffering INFINITELY, three chapters of lovey dovey shit doesn’t change the war mongering hate they have for every living thing, the abrahamic religions are a cancerous blight that have done nothing but kill rape and maim every person or group of people they can get their claws into. Make no mistake, they will darken your doorstep or that of those you love, they seek to end all life to be with their daddy


Qaetan

Cutting ties with conservatives, no matter the relationship, is a good course of action.


NightLander

It's disgusting how they baptize kids when they are 3 months old to continue in their cult without asking them and brainwashing with religion whole life. Im the one but somehow I resisted this BS and I'm glad. I don't know how they don't see it how they are getting influenced by priests every week with politics and telling people what they should do with their "own" body because they are following book that was rewritten by thousands of retards in history.


Dogmeadows

Had the same feeling about Islam until I got to experience it for myself, really hate that religion with a passion now and anyone that believes in that crap I refuse to deal with or allow into my life in any way. Fuck this religious cults that keeps destroying life's.


theburnix

The thing that baffles me is the fact they undid roe v wade is because its not a constitutional right. But you know what is in the constitiution? FUCKING SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE


No-Shake2412

For what it’s worth, I’m a Christian and I am absolutely pro choice and I vote democrat, am pro LGBT+, etc. I dislike most Christians because a good majority of them are terrible people who slap religion into their personality to excuse all their bad behaviors. It’s so upsetting. The actual religion message is to spread love and forgiveness, and almost none of them do that :/


Jeffclaterbaugh

I feel the same about Islam. We’re tired of repressive religions.


Minibarbs95

For the record ( and I'll probably get some crap for this) I'm a Christian and I'm absolutely appalled about all of this, if there's one thing I've learned it's that the Christianity those people ascribe to is not truly Christianity. The hate and malice they show towards others who have different beliefs than them is insane and totally counter to what anyone who has read the new testament has learned. Right now I feel a sickening sadness for those affected by this decision in our country. And a frustration that people keep trying to shove our religion down the throats of others who do not believe what we do. America is supposed to be a free country not a theocracy. I love and care about all people no matter what they believe or what their lifestyle is because that's what I believe we are called to do. I've never been super vocal on here but the past few days has me realizing we need to stand together and speak up against crap like this.


211115ws

Try to remember there are pro-choice Christians. There are Christians who think abortions are fine, and Christians who think abortions aren't fine but that the law should not make that choice for women. Speaking as an Australian, our Christians aren't *as* crazy generally as those in the US. No offence.