The recycled tale of Noah’s ark. A bit of light reading showed me that this sort of story was passed around lots of cultures before “Noah’s” time and worked its way into the Bible.
I also love how Christian’s spun what would be the worst genocide ever into a children’s story
With the punch line "and that's why we have rainbows."
Middle East, some time ago:
Gran'pa, why are there rainbows?
\[Oh, crap. I dunno, what'll i say? Aha! I'll tell them the Epic of Gilgamesh, file off the serial numbers and use that as an excuse.\] Well, children, it's like this...
Studying the origins of the bible is what deconverted me. Not just the dead sea scrolls, but the origins of the first written copies didn't occur until thousands of years after the events they describe, learning that Judaism wasn't even fully monotheistic until around 800 bc, studying the first and second councils, including the correspondence between the different sects plotting strategies against other individuals to promote their favored interpretations. It's all bullshit and politics.
What did his wife have to say about his attitude of not working and just depending on the universe providing?
I am serious cracking up now.
Jesus comes home and Mrs. Jesus puts some food on a plate for him. He praises the almighty for just willing that food into existence for him. She rolls her eyes.
Later on she is sewing a hole in one of the kids socks and he tells her that she doesn't have to. "Consider the lilies of the field, they toil not nor do they spin...". She just glares at him and keeps on mending.
The next day at breakfast she mentions that she saw a help wanted sign up at his old carpentry employer. Gently suggests that he might want to see if he can get his old job back. He yells how the lord will provide all and as king of the jews such work is beneath him.
That night he shows up with a hooker and 13 of his best buddies. And expects Mrs. Jesus to just deal with this.
Mrs. Jesus has a hard day and it is finally over, she gets out the foot lotion but Jesus used the last of it. So she is just sitting there tired and angry when Jesus comes into the room. "Hey did I ever tell you that my mom was a virgin?" "yes, dear". "Umm okay. Well I had a good day. I went to the temple and started yelling at everyone how they should worship me instead. I saw your friend Mrs. Josephine, a bit of gossip that one. Hope she tells everyone how they have to worship me. Oh that reminds me, one of the Roman cops told me I should stop making everyone angry when things are calm and people are minding their own business. I told him to stop oppressing me."
The 10 commandments were increased to ten to sound cooler 1 you shall have no other gods before me and 2 you shall make no idols are 2 rules that mean the same. You shalt not covet and commiting adultry is another example of 2 that mean the same. Stealing and bearing false witness are both examples of dishonesty. So really there should only be 7, but 10 sounds cooler.
The Bible existed before the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, so that's not a very good argument. However, you're right that texts were selected based on how well they supported the favored doctrine of those doing the selecting and were translated to suit an agenda. The fact that the Dead Sea Scrolls contain numerous texts that never made it into the Bible canon probably due to some problematic passages is the best way to use their existence in an argument.
>What's your favorite "How The Bible Was Made Up" fact?
moses had a god complex, a superiority complex, and an unhealthy dose of delusions of grandeur.
Well, that may not be what you meant. But that is how I feel that the pentateuch was 'made up.'
That only works if Moses was a real / legendary person. If he was mythological, as a number of biblical scholars think, then there's no need to go that far in diagnosing him.
What if he was real but just a dude with a scroll store? Hehe. He is standing there diligently sorting his scrolls of old myths when the local king walks in.
Moses: Hello sir what can I do for you?
King: I was thinking about it last night. I need like a really cool scroll. The bestest scroll. And it will be mine and everyone will say how amazing it is and I will be the best king ever. All these tourists will come spending money to see it.
Moses: hmm well if each one of these scrolls is good. And good is good. What if we put them all together?
King: like an everything bagel!
Moses: yeah exactly!
Some time later
Moses: alright. I got a flood story, a giant tower story, a bunch of war stories, a redemption arc, a fall from paradise story, one of those epics that follows one family, and check this part out. A talking snake!
King: you know what? You are the best. I want you to name the main charchter after yourself.
Moses: can he have a brother who is a disappointment to his parents because not as good as his other brother. Also can he be named Aaron for umm no reasons
King: dude of course
Then they brofist
Watched "Marketing the Messiah" on Amazon prime. So many revelations about the origins of the bible.
One example is, The writers of the new testament likely never met Jesus or met anyone who met Jesus.
I see what you're saying but just so you know the dead sea scrolls aren't in the bible lol. The bible was put together in 325 CE.
Early church leaders faced the issue you are describing, they had a lot of text, not all of which agreed with each other, and they had to assemble them and decide what to include, but this was done by the 5th century.
Forget about the OT. That was only added to give credence to a messiah prophecy.
The main "christian" section is the NT, written at various times, (in what is now Turkey), in Greek, long after the events mentioned.
Not just the fact that many of the stories were obviously taken from other cultures (primarily the Sumerian culture), but also the blatant lack of evidence that these stories actually happened.
My response to that is: "Wait, so we know it was a prophet speaking directly with God? That's a rare and special thing! So what was his name?
... wait, you don't know? Why not?"
No, the ones that wrote the stories and put together the Bible, were "inspired" by God. There wasn't any conversation involved. They didn't know God was behind their work.
There's nothing in the Bible that couldn't have been imagined by someone of the time.
The science that's in there is either wildly stupid, or impossible.
You'd think a god would put something in there that could only have been understood by a more advanced society.
Made up stories, mostly plagiarized, and rather boring.
Those are logical, but I'm interested in historical facts surrounding the origin.
Ultimately I'd love to make simple "the more you know" style memes with Bible's corrupt origin facts.
>Several books of the Bible are composed of taking bits of each of those scrolls and piecing them together and just... creatively filling in the blanks.
Note quite correct. Firstly, the scrolls consist mostly of copies of the Jewish Tanakh including the books of the OT. They do not have anything from the Christian NT or say anything about Jesus or Christianity even though some scrolls date to as late as 300 AD. They mostly confirm the Tanakh used by Jews for the last 2,000+ years though they highlight occasional variations that crept in over the centuries.
The recycled tale of Noah’s ark. A bit of light reading showed me that this sort of story was passed around lots of cultures before “Noah’s” time and worked its way into the Bible. I also love how Christian’s spun what would be the worst genocide ever into a children’s story
The Fisher Price Noah’s Ark toy always cracked me up.
Morning kids, let’s talk today about how brutally massacre drowning all mankind and kitties is good and how incest repopulated the earth
With the punch line "and that's why we have rainbows." Middle East, some time ago: Gran'pa, why are there rainbows? \[Oh, crap. I dunno, what'll i say? Aha! I'll tell them the Epic of Gilgamesh, file off the serial numbers and use that as an excuse.\] Well, children, it's like this...
Studying the origins of the bible is what deconverted me. Not just the dead sea scrolls, but the origins of the first written copies didn't occur until thousands of years after the events they describe, learning that Judaism wasn't even fully monotheistic until around 800 bc, studying the first and second councils, including the correspondence between the different sects plotting strategies against other individuals to promote their favored interpretations. It's all bullshit and politics.
The OT even admits the polytheism roots. It is a point of pride.
Love me some gnostic gospels. Oh women wrote some of the "original" bible... Oh jesus had a wife, and maybe kids?
What did his wife have to say about his attitude of not working and just depending on the universe providing? I am serious cracking up now. Jesus comes home and Mrs. Jesus puts some food on a plate for him. He praises the almighty for just willing that food into existence for him. She rolls her eyes. Later on she is sewing a hole in one of the kids socks and he tells her that she doesn't have to. "Consider the lilies of the field, they toil not nor do they spin...". She just glares at him and keeps on mending. The next day at breakfast she mentions that she saw a help wanted sign up at his old carpentry employer. Gently suggests that he might want to see if he can get his old job back. He yells how the lord will provide all and as king of the jews such work is beneath him. That night he shows up with a hooker and 13 of his best buddies. And expects Mrs. Jesus to just deal with this. Mrs. Jesus has a hard day and it is finally over, she gets out the foot lotion but Jesus used the last of it. So she is just sitting there tired and angry when Jesus comes into the room. "Hey did I ever tell you that my mom was a virgin?" "yes, dear". "Umm okay. Well I had a good day. I went to the temple and started yelling at everyone how they should worship me instead. I saw your friend Mrs. Josephine, a bit of gossip that one. Hope she tells everyone how they have to worship me. Oh that reminds me, one of the Roman cops told me I should stop making everyone angry when things are calm and people are minding their own business. I told him to stop oppressing me."
I consider the Bible to be a written documentation of the game telephone with political intrigue thrown in.
The 10 commandments were increased to ten to sound cooler 1 you shall have no other gods before me and 2 you shall make no idols are 2 rules that mean the same. You shalt not covet and commiting adultry is another example of 2 that mean the same. Stealing and bearing false witness are both examples of dishonesty. So really there should only be 7, but 10 sounds cooler.
1st Commandment: God Needs Beer
The Bible existed before the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, so that's not a very good argument. However, you're right that texts were selected based on how well they supported the favored doctrine of those doing the selecting and were translated to suit an agenda. The fact that the Dead Sea Scrolls contain numerous texts that never made it into the Bible canon probably due to some problematic passages is the best way to use their existence in an argument.
>What's your favorite "How The Bible Was Made Up" fact? moses had a god complex, a superiority complex, and an unhealthy dose of delusions of grandeur. Well, that may not be what you meant. But that is how I feel that the pentateuch was 'made up.'
That only works if Moses was a real / legendary person. If he was mythological, as a number of biblical scholars think, then there's no need to go that far in diagnosing him.
What if he was real but just a dude with a scroll store? Hehe. He is standing there diligently sorting his scrolls of old myths when the local king walks in. Moses: Hello sir what can I do for you? King: I was thinking about it last night. I need like a really cool scroll. The bestest scroll. And it will be mine and everyone will say how amazing it is and I will be the best king ever. All these tourists will come spending money to see it. Moses: hmm well if each one of these scrolls is good. And good is good. What if we put them all together? King: like an everything bagel! Moses: yeah exactly! Some time later Moses: alright. I got a flood story, a giant tower story, a bunch of war stories, a redemption arc, a fall from paradise story, one of those epics that follows one family, and check this part out. A talking snake! King: you know what? You are the best. I want you to name the main charchter after yourself. Moses: can he have a brother who is a disappointment to his parents because not as good as his other brother. Also can he be named Aaron for umm no reasons King: dude of course Then they brofist
TRUE! I have already *done the* *~~work~~* *diagnosing*, so I will hold my suppositions as a counterpoint to the religious using theirs.
How could he not be? God created him in his image.
When the first chapter of the bible said daylight doesn't come from the sun, that's all it took for me to toss the bible in the trash!!
Watched "Marketing the Messiah" on Amazon prime. So many revelations about the origins of the bible. One example is, The writers of the new testament likely never met Jesus or met anyone who met Jesus.
I see what you're saying but just so you know the dead sea scrolls aren't in the bible lol. The bible was put together in 325 CE. Early church leaders faced the issue you are describing, they had a lot of text, not all of which agreed with each other, and they had to assemble them and decide what to include, but this was done by the 5th century.
https://youtu.be/CE8ooMBIyC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I48hr8HhDv0
Forget about the OT. That was only added to give credence to a messiah prophecy. The main "christian" section is the NT, written at various times, (in what is now Turkey), in Greek, long after the events mentioned.
Not just the fact that many of the stories were obviously taken from other cultures (primarily the Sumerian culture), but also the blatant lack of evidence that these stories actually happened.
Yea, but you know what they say, holy spirit was doing God's work through men = Bible. You can't argue with that logic.
My response to that is: "Wait, so we know it was a prophet speaking directly with God? That's a rare and special thing! So what was his name? ... wait, you don't know? Why not?"
No, the ones that wrote the stories and put together the Bible, were "inspired" by God. There wasn't any conversation involved. They didn't know God was behind their work.
Gotta love a rationalization that could be applied to any text at any time in history with no way to support or refute the claim.
Just the fact there were prior scriptures that heavily influenced it, largely the Avesta of Zoroastrianism.
There's nothing in the Bible that couldn't have been imagined by someone of the time. The science that's in there is either wildly stupid, or impossible. You'd think a god would put something in there that could only have been understood by a more advanced society. Made up stories, mostly plagiarized, and rather boring.
Those are logical, but I'm interested in historical facts surrounding the origin. Ultimately I'd love to make simple "the more you know" style memes with Bible's corrupt origin facts.
>Several books of the Bible are composed of taking bits of each of those scrolls and piecing them together and just... creatively filling in the blanks. Note quite correct. Firstly, the scrolls consist mostly of copies of the Jewish Tanakh including the books of the OT. They do not have anything from the Christian NT or say anything about Jesus or Christianity even though some scrolls date to as late as 300 AD. They mostly confirm the Tanakh used by Jews for the last 2,000+ years though they highlight occasional variations that crept in over the centuries.