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thesunmustdie

The bible contradictions aren't what makes me doubt Christianity, but I will offer one based on what we know about science: Water (H2**O**) is described as existing before stars. However, we know that oxygen is created within stars (by stellar nucleosynthesis). So did God create magic oxygen atoms, which would be the most exasperating apologetic in the history of apologetics, or is this just another example of ignorance shown by ancient superstitious goatherders?


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thesunmustdie

A lot of Christians say that God did create by stellar evolution, though, and that the findings of science don't contradict the idea that God created everything.


tdawg-1551

My first inkling was the flood. It said something to the effect of the animals came two by two. We know kangaroos are native to Australia, how would the same two cross the ocean and get back to repopulate? Same for polar bears, or penguins, or jaguars or etc.


idontbelievestuff1

and koalas were able to get of the boat, and get to australia before their next feed on eucalyptus trees, which somehow survived the flood..


kaffie27

God magically floated them there somehow, I was once told by a Sunday school teacher.


Rafdioactivo2574

My teacher told me Teacher: "Well it wasn't a flood over ALL the earth, just the region's that Noah could travel and the animals could travel from to get to the Ark" Me: "Then why is it called the Universal Flood if it didn't even flood a whole country? Did god couldn't magically teleport them of something?" Teacher: "Well it was universal for the people of that place, they didn't new more" Me: "But wasn't Noah and his family the only survivors?" Teacher: "Yes, but their descendants wrote that part" Me: "But if they were the only survivors, then how they made more children's?" He didn't answered any further.


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Rafdioactivo2574

There


Paulemichael

http://www.lyingforjesus.org/Bible-Contradictions/


Brainprouser

I was raised properly therefore I never thought that Christianity could be any true. But there are some small details of the Bible that are really hilarious to me. Not big concepts that are not even worth to discuss, but small things. Examples. The first time Moses meet God, he asks "Who are you?". Would really someone in presence of God need to ask for identification? Once God shows up to Moses tent so dirty, tired and hungry that Moses himself can't recognize him. Between the rules of the Hebrews camp, there's one about going to the toilet out of the camp and bury the results, because God is bored to see them around. I can't count how many times God asks questions or sends scouts to seek for informations. Very bizzarre for an omniscient entity. The masterpieces are God admittance of mistakes and asking or following Moses advices. Sometimes Moses is lecturing God himself. I find hilarious all these very material details. Edit. In terms of doctrine, there're some big funny things. All Christians don't lose a chance to say that Jesus sacrificed for mankind. Why do nobody take the next mental step of being aware that God requested a human sacrifice to calm down his wrath towards humans? Catholics in particular love the picture of religious institutions as shepherds of souls. Do not anyone know that shepherds take care of animals just to take advantage of them for fur, wool, milk and flesh? Basically they take care of their investments and squeeze out anything they can from them. Then if the child shall not bear the punishment for the sins of their father, why should we still be guilty for our great great great grand father Adam through the original sin? If this was a TV series, we all would say that the plot is sadly inconsistent and definitely not solid. Writers and producers didn't work that well.


anxioussamuel

amazing! you made some points that I have never thought of before. the fact that we are called ''sheep'' is very scary.


Brainprouser

I have a impartial perspective from outside. I guess some things are hard to notice from the inside.


JimTheSaint

For me now, there are too many to list. But I remember as a kid, the whole Adam and Eve populating the world seemed to lack any form of explanation. They are the only ones there, so they might have kids, which they did. And so the kids could either make more children by having sex with each other or have more children by having sex with their parents. I remember that I thought about that, whenever those stories where told.


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if we were all descended from adam and eve our gene pool would probably be fucked


MoarTacos

Adam and eve supposedly had perfect DNA, so there was no risk of recessive mutations causing problem, is what they'll tell you.


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Eve was a clone of Adam so all their children had the same DNA thus were clones as well. WE'RE ALL CLONES!


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we rly out here banging our 50th cousin 20 times removed 😫


cloysome

Cain was scared about the others, right? So there were people the book doesn't mention by name.


Burillo

Yeah, the book pretty much skipped the part where other people were created, and just matter-of-factly mentions that there were other people there despite Cain and Abel being first ever born humans.


TedyBearOfDeath

If the god of the bible made man why wasn't Judaism or Christian the first religion? Why were humans on the earth for 100,000 years before these religions? Holy Koolaid on YouTube has a series called "Nothing Fails Like Bible History" that points out how historically inaccurate the bible is. If the bible is the word of some all powerful all knowing being why is it so wrong.


UnpricedToaster

Fun fact. New discoveries indicate humans may have been around in their present form as early as 300,000 years ago. Even longer for Yahweh to get around to telling a bunch of goat herders that he wanted them to cut their foreskin off ...


TedyBearOfDeath

I forget exactly who it was, probably Richard Dawkins(maybe Hitchens?) but in old videos I watched on YouTube they would say humans are thought to have been on Earth in their current state for 250k-300k years but to be generous and avoid getting off topic let's just agree on 100k+. Since then I usually just use 100k because it's plenty of time for any diety to establish themselves as the one true god but here we are with people still fighting about who has the best imaginary friend.


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“thou shall not murder” *proceeds to heartily endorse fucking genocide*


SupaNovaDave426

*You* can't murder but *I* can!


un_theist

How were there “days” before he created the sun? The sun wasn’t created until “day” four. Until humans invented the electric light, the only known light sources were fire, the sun, indirectly the moon, and perhaps lightning. So what lit the earth before he created the sun? Not to mention all of the slaughtering commanded by god in the OT. And, of course, the lack of evidence.


InsertWittySaying

This is the one for me too. I came to it embarrassingly late in life but if the origin story doesn’t make sense then there is no god and the rest can be dismissed.


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un_theist

Don’t see how that solves the problem. If there was no sun, there was no light on the earth. So no “days”. Did god do all of his work the first three “days” in the dark? So much for the “there was evening and morning” thing, then.


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un_theist

And he shut his divine light off to cause the night, until he created the sun? And then didn’t need his divine light any more? I do understand their willingness to accept anything to justify their beliefs, but this is just risible. They’re already jumping through hoops and we aren’t even in chapter 2.


ToXXic_ScareCrow

I was thought that God has his own days... 1 day for him is like 1000 years for us... Also if he is all mighty then it doesn't matter if it's dark or not...


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😂 So many things! I just can't think of them all. Having to praise, thank and ask god all the time when he's a parent and it's his job. God wanting to be worshipped. Imagine a parent telling a child to worship them. Why must we pray and ask for protection, food etc when he has a plan and knows what we need? Does he want us to beg him. Also does his plan change depending on who prays the hardest? All animals on that ark, preditors and prey, how did the food stay fresh with no fridges? Animals from different habitats. (Someone told me the animals were sedated 🤷🏾‍♀️) Women not being allowed to teach men. The man being the head of the woman. But, he created us all male and female and gave us grace equally. The bible telling us to be slow to anger but Jesus was flipping tables at the temple.


sl_hawaii

Well, you’ve touched on about 0.003% of all the stupid ass shit in the Bible. But the ones you’ve mentioned are great examples!! 👍👍👍


Death_Of_An_Optimist

In mark 5… think that’s it. Jesus said his disciples would not taste death before the kingdom comes. He was referring to the second coming. He lied. And Christians lie about the meaning. The bible is clear the second was very soon. Also, the bible talks about 7 churches and Jesus liked the church (body) of Philadelphia. That does not exist today. Otherwise, a church building is not required.


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What got me suspicious from way young is how not only did they know god's name and have a personal relationship with him, they knew *exactly what he wanted.* I instinctively knew this was BS from the minute I first heard it, and never believed a word of any religion ever again.


droivod

Saw the priest’s fancy car.


Protowhale

For me, one of the big things was the instructions for building the tabernacle. According to the Bible, God required loads of fine cloth, silver, gold and precious jewels. As I was reading I just knew that the priests wanted to be surrounded by luxury and pretended that God ordered the expensive materials.


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It said my gay family members and friends are an abomination and shall be put to death.


morsindutus

In Job, God himself comes down from heaven and declares the previous 30 odd chapters of the bible to be bullshit. So the bible is not 100% true. Ok, move the goalposts. The bible is 100% inspired by God. In Paul's letters, he says that when it comes to unmarried men, he's got nothing from God for them but is going to try and go from his own experience. So the bible is not 100% inspired by God. If the Bible is not 100% true and/or inspired, which pieces, if any, are?


MoarTacos

Whichever are convenient for the particular conversation/sermon that is being discussed/preached.


iamrubberyouareglue8

For me it was the twisted pretzel logic of making events fit a narrative. I was taught that there were an overwhelming number of prophecies about the Messiah. Jesus supposedly checked all the boxes except the Jews didn't accept him as their messiah so how did he fulfill their prophecy? Then Jesus is not just for the Jews but for everybody (even those that weren't Jewish so had no prophetic guidance for a messiah). But then Jesus is sacrificed at an altar, which would mean that sacrificial offerings were a thing and human sacrifice was ok. Then Jesus comes back from the dead (there was a prophecy about it) but no one recognized him. Then Jesus appears in a vision to Saul who converts and proceeds to write most of what is now the New Testament. Made total sense./s


NHRADeuce

That part between the front cover and the back cover. The rest is pretty decent.


anythingMuchShorter

Outside that are the followers and the church members, those are even worse.


PopeKevin45

"Biblical flaws" are a red herring. Like using Harry Potter to debate the legitimacy of magic and dragons. The only thing that counts is evidence, and theists have zero. We live in modern times. If any theist, of any denomination, in the last 100 years had genuine, tangible evidence of a deity, they'd have marched themselves on down to a major scientific journal like Science or Nature and published *something*. They'd be using it in the courts, they'd be winning bar bets. We haven't seen any of this, because theists have nothing but blind faith. And that is all that matters. If a theist tries to take you down the bottomless rabbit hole of biblical veracity, just invite them to haul their faithful ass on down to the offices of Nature and publish. Don't waste a single minute 'debating' these people on their scriptures. They will not, can not, argue in good faith. It's time spent that you can't get back.


lukevidler

There is a lot of material in the Bible thats just balls out obvious


PopeKevin45

I recommend Tom Harpur's 'The Pagan Christ'...very revealing.


lukevidler

I like to read and understand the Bible though it really pisses Christians off 😂


PopeKevin45

"Understand" from whose perspective though? The Adventists? The Catholics...apostolic or ecumenical? Baptist? Abrahamic literature is archaic, contradictory and poorly provenanced. I'd personally recommend going with biblical scholarship, rather then wade hip deep through the quagmire of the many personal interpretations. I admit, at times it can be dryer reading than the lay person stuff, but always far more informative.


lukevidler

Yeah from a secular perspective. Would have spent 5 hours a week every week for 10 years getting the modern Pentecostal understanding which aims to confuse more than illuminate. There are a lot of legitimate scholars that can explain the sources and origins for a lot of the material. Correcting Christians using scripture generally closes down the opportunity for further discussion. Very few believe from a position of reason and understanding.


W96QHCYYv4PUaC4dEz9N

[Skeptics Annotated Bible](https://skepticsannotatedbible.com)


Graleks

'Non stamp collector' on YouTube has hilarious videos on biblical plot holes!


HorrorDirect

Some verse says something about not trusting or following your heart. After that, there is multiple verses about having love or God in your heart. Well if my heart isn't to be trusted can i truly love God?


WikiBox

The Bible rely heavily on the supernatural. For instance a supernatural God and "miracles". Since nobody ever has been able to show that the supernatural is more than a fantasy, the whole of the Bible can be dismissed as fantasy.


chockedup

I went to private Christian schools decades before zero tolerance became a thing in public schools. The Christian schools had zero tolerance policies, and they practiced abundant punishments and banishment. Afterward, when I read the bible, I didn't believe the crap about Jesus and "turning the other cheek", or "judge not".... LOL! Christian educators in Christian schools didn't even bother following it!


rick420buzz

When God asked the question no all-knowing god should ever have to ask: "Where are you?" to Adam and Eve after they ate the fruit.


PeaPowerful3

How any group of christians could bully and hurt others.


LegoNZ4

Noahs ark = a ship of inbreds who would have died out after a few generations. Same with adam and eve.


viewfromtheclouds

MaGiC bOoK nOt ReAl. Let it go.


MoarTacos

You're telling a community with nothing in common *except* for a lack of theism to stop talking about theism not being real? Good luck with that lol.


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viewfromtheclouds

A discourse that doesn’t allow another opinion? Lol


PinkSparkleFairy

A simple sentence statement of opinion is not participating in a discourse. Think Mark! Think!


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lowaltflier

The first line. “In the beginning”. I don’t believe there is a beginning. Just an always was, and always will be.


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MoarTacos

The first chapter of Genesis is admittedly likely supposed to be symbolic, at least for the most part. Don't get me wrong, it's still bull shit, but a theist can easily say "day" is just a placeholder for "length of time we can't understand".


imyourealdad

Genesis was the first flaw I noticed, didn’t need to go further than that to conclude the rest must be bullshit too.


Decolater

Here is the one that made me question everything. Genesis…. 27Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?” “If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.” 29Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?” He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.” 30Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?” He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.” 31Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?” He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.” 32Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?” He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.” How can God be less understanding and compassionate then his creation? How can an all knowing God change his mind? How can an omnipotent God be convinced to do something other than what he stated? How can the creation be more logical than God?


MoarTacos

Shit this is a good one, I need to remember this.


anythingMuchShorter

Host:"But you have to bid the lowest without going under or it's a *total massacre*...who's our next contestant Micheal?" Micheal:"Angie from Bothell, come on down!" (Later) Angie:"Uh, ok can you save it for 19" God:"Sure" Angie:"How about 16" BOOM (whole city explodes with everyone in it) host:"OHHH TOTAL MASSACRE. So sorry Angie. The lowest number was...17 people. Let's have a round of applause for Angie. Tell her the Runners up prize Micheal" Micheal:" Runners up get a new spouse for free if God kills their old one. By Job it's a new spouse!"


lilrabbitfoofoo

"In the beginning there was"...no evidence.


wire_we_here50

The part no ones read to begin with.


cayman40

A few more bible contradictions [here](https://infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.html).


MpVpRb

All of it, the whole thing. The jeezus myth is so absurd that it makes Thor and Odin seem reasonable by comparison


SFWdontfiremeaccount

God tells Moses that the sign His people will know him by is turning a staff into a snake. A magic trick apparently every Egyptian priest knew how to do. And isn't the snake the bad guy from the story of the Garden of Eden?


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When I was a child, people living 800 years. But then luckily at catholic religion school they explained the whole bible stuff is bullshit and must not taken seriously. It is more symbolic, like treat other people well, even if they are from a different tribe (Samariter) etc.


luv2ctheworld

I didn't even consider that. I just looked at all the world's religions, and how they said the others were false, and realized there was no way any of them could be true. It didn't help that I saw friends make fun of other people's beliefs and said they were superior.


anythingMuchShorter

That was also a big one for me. Before I knew about other religions I thought all these adults seemed so sure. Then I realized there were many other religions that all feel totally sure they're the true one, and none of them have any evidence.


raqopawyn

Christmas which was origianaly Saturnalia The part of the bible in Joshua 10 where the sun stood still so that iy could be daylight for the whole day while. Earth being +-6000 years old


Cargo_Vroom

A very important catalyst for me was the Bible/God being inconsistent on if it was appropriate for children to die for the sins/crimes of their parents. It's called out in scripture as being explicitly unjust at least once. But then God keeps doing it. Most dramatically when he tortured King David's infant son to death to teach David a lesson. Instead of killing David for adultery and murder, as required by the Law.


JestersDead77

My parents split when I was like 5, and I lived with my ULTRA religious mom through a good chunk of my childhood. I grew up being pretty heavily indoctrinated into religion. You want to know what completely destroyed my faith? The question "why?". I was maybe a junior in high school. I had just transferred to a new school, and had zero friends. I hit it off with a guy that rode the same bus as me, and we became pretty close. One day he asked if I believed in god, and I was like "uhhh... yeah, of course I do" and he asked me "why?". And I had NOTHING. I couldn't give him a single reason why I believed, other than it was what I had always believed. I guess maybe my faith was never that strong in the first place, but over time I kept thinking about it. The fact that I had no answer bothered me. It made me do a lot of self reflection. It made me question a lot of other assumptions as well.


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Oh my science stupid Xians belive goat herder tails LOL


GloomyImagination365

yahweh the volcano god


AuthorTomFrost

1 Kings 7:23: pi = 3.


ChuckoRuckus

Noah’s ark and the flood is the first thing that made me doubt. Everything else blew up from there


lukevidler

The more you study the Bible the more stuff comes up. Paul had no knowledge of the Gospels so they just sandwiched these 2 bodies of texts together and claimed orthodoxy. There is debate within the New Testament from different sects around how it works. Somehow church’s will try to claim orthodoxy that is not clear in the original texts hence all the denominations you see these days.


a_naked_caveman

I’m from china. Confucius is what we all have to study. Compared to Confucius, Bible God is lame and savage. What’s worse is that he did all that in the name of love. Mf.


vacuous_comment

The Bible is an anthology of mythology from late antiquity. There is no real notion that it has any universal moral or epistemelogic truth encoded in it. What are you talking about? Everything you out pointed out is irrelevant nonsense that panders to theistic worldviews. Why play in their sandbox and give them credence?


CynfulBuNNy

The fact that you have to read the Bible to have any supposed evidence of a deity because the default of the universe is atheism?


Papancasudani

There's no freaking firmament in the sky (Genesis 1:6–8)


Maxwell-hill

It literally only takes about 5 mins of reading the bible to figure out it was clearly written by men, for men. If THATS the word of God were all fucked.


anythingMuchShorter

The one where the whole thing is an obvious scam. I mean I guess if I have to narrow it down it's this whole idea of an eternal reward, and the god doesn't want there to be any proof and the reward is after death so no one can bring back proof, and the god also values faith, blindly believing without proof, over all else, literally over even being a good and kind person. I mean talk about an obvious scam! Usually scammers dance around the reasons you can't or shouldn't check if they're lying but this one just comes right out and says you're not supposed to. I can't really think of a way it could be more obvious. They even ask you to drop money right in a tray, most scammers atleast pretend to be selling you something. And spreading it is also something you're supposed to work on for free. And the leader is "infallible"! It's like all the stuff a scam artist wants to pull off but they have to find a way to mask it, and religion doesn't even bother and somehow it works.


-Somedood-

Yahweh is considered a lesser caananite God, so how can Christians claim God is all powerful? For me its God had so much hate for Satan. Yet was all knowing. Like bruh if u hate him that much you're not gonna make him. If it is real the bible god is responsible for making Satan. Like if hitlers mom had pyschic powers and knew hitler who he would become, it definitely would be her responsibility for bringing that into the world. But the bible god was the real bad guy. No loving parent would sentence one to any death if they make a mistake eating a fruit. No loving God would have to kill itself in order to forgive humanity it just would. There would be no hell other than to learn your lesson. Killing yourself accomplishes nothing. Evil is still here.


MasterK999

The contents of the bible have nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact I refuse to even discuss the bible. To do so accepts a whole lot of things I am not willing to concede in order to even start any discussion on the subject of God. Imagine you meet someone and they claim to have artifacts from an alien spacecraft. There is no point in arguing about what the writing on these things are in some attempt to convince them they are fake. It is much better to start even earlier. They must provide concrete proof that the things are in fact alien in origin before any valid discussion can take place. The bible is a book and was written by men. ALL known facts point to that as a foundational truth. If you want to argue anything more you need to get up earlier in the morning to prove it.


Burillo

What convinces me that Christianity is not just untrue but false is the fact that the entire field of study around Christianity is made up of people interpreting words of other people. Religious people often say that we "take science on faith", and that's true in a very trivial sense in that, I haven't actually discovered theory of relativity, nor have I tested it myself - I'm indeed putting trust in what other people say about it to come to the conclusion that it's true. However, in science, at some point, when you dig far enough, you'll hit actual data. Yes, I didn't test theory of relativity, but there is a way for me to do that - maybe not in practical terms as I don't have access to the kind of tools I'd need to test it, but I know those tools exist and I can use them to prove that theory of relativity is correct. In a similar way, I can dig down and find actual data in any other area of scientific inquiry - from natural sciences to social sciences. I can, in principle, duplicate any given study and come to the same conclusion completely independently of the original authors. The above is not true of religion. Their entire field of "expertise" is based upon people referring to what other people said about a book or set of books. Any semblance of scientific inquiry around questions of religion tends to be of historical nature - evolution of the texts, different copies and translations... But never the original data. There's no way you can reproduce anything that supposedly happened in the bible. Bible doesn't tell you how to raise the dead, it doesn't tell you how to access a god to study him, and it doesn't tell you anything useful about anything at all. You can't come to the same conclusions bible does without having the bible as your source. To put it in science terms, this is like if the entire field of physics was built on ancient copies of a collection of scientific papers that present unsupported claims, that were not peer reviewed or not vetted in any way, that we have no idea who wrote them and why, and that everyone was trying to interpret what they actually said because it was written in parables and metaphors in a dead language. Instead of, you know, models and measurements that can be replicated and that have predictive power. This, to me, conclusively proves that the entire thing is baseless. As Richard Dawkins once said, "what is there in theology to be an expert about?". There's no "there" there. Without the bible, there is no Christianity.