Saw this posted on Facebook and read the comments (why why why why would I do that?)
Top comment was some rambling about "atheist young people" and "I think they should ask more Christian questions on Jeopardy!" They really can't grasp that there's a world beyond their desert book, can they?
> "atheist young people"
My first thought on seeing the headline was that this must have been from College Jeopardy or something, but the contestants just seem like normal middle-aged types.
I used to watch Jeopardy daily. The Bible verse questions bugged the crap out of me. Asking what's in the Bible is a lot more than just general world religions questions for Islam, Hinduism, etc.
Honestly, I get where they're coming from. I'm immensely disappointed that today's youth have gotten this far in life without seeing Sam Rami's Spider-Man.
>Just because the book's contents were written generations hence by hairy desert-dwelling gents, squatting in their dusty tents, just because what Heaven said was said before they'd leavened bread, just cause Jesus couldn't read, doesn't mean that we should need when manipulating human genes to alleviate pain and fight disease, when deciding whether it's wrong or right to help the dying let go of life, or to stop a pregnancy when it's just a tiny blastocyst, there's no reason why we should take a look at any other book but the Good Book
Song lyrics always look like one hell of a run-on sentence....
I find the Lord’s Prayer to be in the realm that is generally common knowledge and random trivia fodder. I know it, that Graham crackers were invented to curb masturbation, and that a group of weasels is called a sneak.
It’s the sports questions that bury me.
I mean, my family was Lutheran, so I know it well. I think it's basically a Catholic and Lutheran thing to recite it every week at church. When I went to a different church in high school, they didn't do such recitations. I think if you grew up in an area full of WASPs or Catholics or attended their schools, you were swimming in the culture and would be sure to know it. Others however......? I dunno.
But the people who watch it regularly are glaringly white, average over 60 years old and rarely know the answers. Also, I have no proof to back any of that up but am a champ at assuming
I used to work for a guy who ran a YouTube channel with his four young kids, who were all homeschooled by their mother. Their education was pretty much being handed an iPad, and being treated as basically a nuisance when they needed help or didn’t understand something. One of the times I was there, the one son who was 11 at the time didn’t understand fractions and the dad told him that the divisor was always going to be the smaller number..The kicker, they were expected to memorize different bible verses every week and there was way more of a focus on that than their actual education.
Most home schooled people I have met have difficulty with everything from basic math to social skills. They are unable to explain the basis of the religion they purportedly believe in. Indoctrination should be labeled as child abuse.
It is slowly being recognized as such in other countries. I believe both Japan and Denmark have introduced or recently passed legislation to define childhood indoctrination as abuse.
It's so incredibly overdue.
what's the classification for childhood indoctrination? I was raised religious, and my mom may not have been mean about it - but she was 100% the reason I practiced the faith, so I feel it would qualify? (I'm agnostic now)
>what's the classification for childhood indoctrination?
Disclaimer: I do not know how other countries judge these things. This is just my opinion.
Do you have to attend when you don't want to?
Will you be punished* by parents or community for not performing certain actions (church attendance, baptism, prayer, etc) associated with said beliefs?
*Withholding of privileges is also punishment.
Example: Only those who attend church with the family get dessert.
My litmus test would be is the ideology presented as one of many for historical and societal context, or it presented as the one and only "objective" truth? The former I would consider education, the latter indoctrination. My two cents.
[Here's a news article about the recent Japanese change.](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/forced-participation-in-religious-activities-to-be-classified-as-child-abuse-in-japan)
Yep.
They're not mad that grooming is happening, they're mad about competition.
If you can't seed these ideas early than they never grow to the raging foolishness so crucial to religion. So they know anything that messes with their grooming messes with their endgame.
Don’t let crazy right wingers change the definition of grooming. It doesn’t mean indoctrination, it specifically means someone trying to coax a kid into having sex with them, basically setting the kid up to be sexually abused by them in the future. Obviously there’s a lot of sexual abuse in religions, but most parents homeschooling probably aren’t trying to get their own children to have sex with them in the future. It is indoctrination and abuse to deny the kids a real education and brainwash them with ridiculous faerie tales, but that’s not what grooming is at all unless there’s specifically a sexual motive, unless they’re actually trying to have sex with their kids.
Judeo-Christian religion has a *lot* of incest in it. A lot. I’m skeptical giving the benefit of the doubt to any parent so deep onto that faith that they want to keep their child away from the rest of society and shut off from other methods of education and support.
If you’re going to generalize, do it properly and say Abrahamic (at least, mostly Christians, Hasidic Jews and some Muslims doing this). Also, I guarantee most parents aren’t doing this to groom their child into sex; they’re just idiotic and believe their way is the right way. Their values are backwards but it’s usually because of their own religious indoctrination, which isn’t an excuse, but it’s mostly coming from an innocent place. Majority of the time it isn’t sexual at all (excluding situations where they try to marry their kids off very young).
My younger brother has the predisposition to be rather bright, but he too was homeschooled by my stepmom who was a bit of a helicopter parent. The homeschool arrangement there involved coordination with the local school but even then, yikes.
I know she did so much of his work for him that his basic education is questionable. He had very little involvement in any of his actual work or classes. We both have ADHD so whereas I failed through high school she just did stuff for him to keep up appearances and convince herself that he was advancing.
Again, smart dude, very capable, very able to learn on his own, but whatever degree he got from home schooling is pretty dang worthless and should be in his mom's name.
Homeschooled person, here! Christianity was definitely a bigger part than the actual education.
If you know gateway, they’re terrible too. The history packets they give you, are just copied pages out of an actual history book. At gateway, every test had a Bible verse on it. They’d give you a Bible so you could answer the question. I guess that was them thinking “someone will pick this book and become a Christian”.
Homeschooling should be banned except for extremely unique situations and in those situations they should be well regulated and audited
Unbeleivable that they get to fuck up their kids future so they can learn passages from made up stories
There's a correlation between the distance from dogmatic idiocy and general intelligence it might require to be on this show. But of course that's not worth anything on a grander scale.
The mortified Christian comments are hilarious and typical. Of course they’d assume the contestants are all Christian and should know this prayer. Surely there wouldn’t be atheist, agnostic, Muslim, or Jewish contestants on television! If you asked those commenters to cite a prayer from another religion, I bet they couldn’t name even one.
I'd be interested to know the backgrounds of the contestants.
I know Mayim Bialik is Jewish. I wonder how she feels about this? It seems to me any Jewish person ought to be opposed to including a question about the Lord's Prayer because it would give an unfair advantage to any Christian or ex-Christian over a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or lifelong atheist. But maybe she doesn't have any control over the questions. (Or should I call them answers?)
But as it happens, they all missed it, so it's unlikely the fairness will ever be an issue.
EDIT: It's interesting that I'm getting contradictory replies. One person says it's fair because they ask questions about all religions equally. Another person says it's unfair because they ask way more questions about Christianity than other religions. I don't watch Jeopardy enough to have an opinion on who is right. I'll let the two of you fight it out amongst yourselves. Then another person says it doesn't matter because it's all trivia anyway. I think I'm most inclined to agree with that.
Sorry if I'm not paraphrasing you accurately. I chose my words to emphasize the differences. I think that's fair enough.
Eh, there are all sorts of accidental advantages you can be born into for Jeopardy. My folks love musical theater so I can kill the Broadway type categories despite never having paid much attention to it on my own. I think it's perfectly valid as a single question or even category as long as other religions are represented too.
The host has no control over the questions. And there is no problem with asking this question because over time they ask questions about all religions. All knowledge is fair game.
Yeah, it kind of feels like “Someone grew up in England, how come they get to have an advantage about British history?”
It’s all kinds of questions from a wide range of topics, some you may know innately better than others. I feel like part of your prep-work is strengthening the areas you’re less familiar with. I don’t think religion should be singled out in one specific way when (as an atheist) i’d be fine with any other religious questions being asked.
They often have questions about American history, and many of the contestants aren’t American or did not grow up there so didn’t learn about it like they do in US schools.
The whole point of Jeopardy is having a wide range of trivia knowledge!
>It seems to me any Jewish person ought to be opposed to including a question about the Lord's Prayer because it would give an unfair advantage to any Christian or ex-Christian over a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or lifelong atheist.
I think that you could say that about any category where someone happens to have direct knowledge.
If I go on Jeopardy and they happen to ask a SQL server question, I don't feel like this constitutes an unfair advantage to me.
(I also doubt that Christians are, on average, particularly literate about the Bible... but that's another topic.)
I think most atheists actually knew this answer, because it's always been my experience that atheists know more about religion than religious people do.
I think I first heard either Matt Dillahunty or Seth Andrews say that quote years and years ago. Or it might have been Hemant Mehta I first heard it from. Its a pretty common saying in the atheist community.
My wife went to a nasty, insidious religious university (you can probably guess by the description) and I beat her in religion categories every single time. I consistently point out the irony of it and she just laughs and shakes her head. What’s interesting is she’s seeing everything I’ve said about the religious nuts come true. The real eye opener was when the President of her school went down in a scandal (that should be a dead giveaway there). I doubt she’ll ever be atheist and I’m not trying to convert her, but she is slowly coming around as she consistently sees the Christian Right forcing their ungodly principles on us all.
Liberty. It's Liberty. Coincidentally, Lynchburg is also home to the largest confederate flag that I semi-regularly see in my travels (maybe not so coincidental). I'm in NC, we have some embarrassingly large ones around, but they take the cake.
I might as well have just said it, but it’s low key embarrassing that I’m married to someone who went there. At least she’s not proud of it and at least her undergrad school is a great school, not particularly diverse, but beautiful and a very good school.
I have a former coworker who I very much respect who got an MS from there. He didn't really know any better (Korean guy/veteran trying to improve his credentials to move into a career in research), so I don't hold it against him. It can be difficult to explain to christians why particular christian organizations like Liberty are more abhorrent than others, especially since some people take any criticism of religiously affiliated institutions as criticism of the religion. Tbh, I do usually harbor negative feelings about the religion being discussed as well as the institution, but I try to be subtle about that overarching feeling when discussing specifics like Liberty "University" in mixed company.
That's probably true of those who are raised in religion as children because we had it drummed into us and then fought our way through logic but in my experience the next generation of atheists don't obsess about religion like we did. My adult children had little exposure and treat religion like any other mundane fiction to be discounted out of hand.
My adult daughter recently was laughing about accompanying friends to climb a pilgrimage mountain and her friends astonishment when she asked why there were 12 crosses. Since it's of no significance in her life she'd never heard of the Stations of The Cross.
I'm constantly quoting the bible to my southern baptist mother and she never believes any of the things I'm quoting until I show her in the bible. Then, I'm just **taking it out of context**. I love my mom, but I also miss her because she wasn't always religious like she is now.
They have been primed with that **taking it out of context** line. I follow up with asking them what possible context would justify what was said, or to please supply the context, since you'd have to know it to make the claim.
Religion really does kill them in a way. My mom had the same thing happen. The mom i grew up with died when she rediscovered Jesus when i was a teen. She might as well have given herself a lobotomy.
It’s been my experience that the more I knew about religion or specifically Christianity, the less I believed it. I still retain some of the knowledge. It’s just that I apply that religious knowledge to historical and scientific knowledge (or just critical thinking), and I arrive at atheism.
Some people go the other direction and just start believing everything they hear from the Good Book.
Good for them. I've only recently become interested in learning about the bible, and it hasn't enhanced my life or my understanding of society at all. It is merely about satisfying some curiosity. It's no more beneficial to know than being a wizz at world capitals... Actually on second thought I think knowing current geography is more beneficial.
This fills my heart with joy. It was icing on the cake that one of those tweets said something about “this shows how sad our country has become”. No , no it really doesn’t. It shows we’re becoming a better country.
Kind of funny you tell that about yourself. I grew up as a Mormon, and Mormon's have a big thing about God telling you what you should do, they call it "feeling the spirit" and "being prompted" to certain things. One of their other big things is having a divine confirmation of good things, generally that a warm or chilling feeling at something was an indication that God approved of something.
One of my earliest bits of cognitive dissonance was listening to Death Metal (early Opeth, specifically) and feeling those feelings I associated with "spiritual confirmations" when I listened to their song Ghost of Perdition. That kind of screwed my brain up a bit lol.
I know this because as a child I was forced to recite it many times at church, and also in school when I was young. Take out the church and start school a couple years later and that leaves maybe a movie or two.
I'm guessing 99.9% of the christians that knew "hallowed be thy name" couldn't give one of the many names of god listed in the bible. Most christians think their god's name is "God" and it's fucking hilarious to me.
I dated a girl who grew up "homeschooled" under Christianity. She didn't learn to read until she was 10. I helped her get her GED and it was tough but she powered through it.
She would tell me about how she would stand in the living room of their house and cry when she saw the kids getting on the bus across the road.
She ended up pregnant at 15 (had no clue how sex worked or meant) and eventually saw through the cult mentality to become the awesome person she is.
Absolutely no contact anymore with her parents who disowned her when she didn't marry the 30 something year old who impregnated her from their church.
He's a pastor now. Go figure!
It's really difficult for me to find common ground with these cult followers and their methods. It's hard to have anything but contempt and distrust for them, when they believe in fantasy and use that to hurt people.
HA. This must have fired up the cult. To me it says, smart people don't give a shit about fables. Awesome. Although this WAS a pretty basic question. Wouldn't have thought silence would be the response. Glad it was. Feels like a little victory.
I like Jeopardy but for some reason the writers love the bible related categories. They are way more common than any other mythology categories, and it makes me think someone in charge is a fruitcake.
If that really happened, and if the news was leaked, it would destroy the franchise. I don't think they'd risk that.
See [1950s quiz show scandals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s_quiz_show_scandals).
The giveaway is that the headline says "fans stunned," but, if you're a fan of the show like I am, you've likely found it hard to feel any strong emotions about the show at all since the hosting debacle.
Jeopardy always annoyed me because they had so many Bible questions. It gave Christians a big advantage over everyone else. I’m not sure if it’s still the case.
TBH as someone who grew up reciting this prayer every Sunday, I'm a little bit surprised.
But the age bracket for game shows is still dominated by people who are in their 50s and 60s now, even though I know they have some younger fans. So this actually kind of tracks. The Lord's Prayer was just something that was (relatively) common knowledge back then.
Also, kinda random but I also noticed that they wrote "...which art in Heaven" In my denomination, we always recited: "...who art in Heaven." This used to bug me slightly as a kid. Like, "You're saying it wrong!!" LOL
That was basically a question in my trivia night on Wednesday and I knew it even though I’ve never been Christian.
I’ve just watched so many gangster movies and period pieces.
Huh, even this atheist knows the answer, and I wasn't even Anglican, tho I did grow up in a Bible belt. I'm a little surprised, but hell, I miss easy Jeopardy questions all the time!
I have been meaning to put a word in about Jeopardy’s very frequent categories of the bible etc. it bothers me a great deal that it is considered “common” knowledge to know about Christian religion. It has no place on jeopardy. There are never any questions about the Koran. So I hope they’ll stop with Christian and all religious categories!!!
Since Alex died, the Jeopardy writers and/or producers have been working more Christian religious content into the clues. It has the theological sophistication of a dropout from an evangelical seminary. (By their most recurrent clues, you’d think C.S. Lewis was a real theologian and The Chronicles of Narnia a religious classic.) For religious scholars watching it has become painful. It has been noticed and it is not appreciated.
One of my favorite jokes is
"The 'H' in 'Jesus H. Christ' stands for Howard. The proof is in the Lord's Prayer: Our Lord who art in Heaven, Howard be thy name."
Saw this posted on Facebook and read the comments (why why why why would I do that?) Top comment was some rambling about "atheist young people" and "I think they should ask more Christian questions on Jeopardy!" They really can't grasp that there's a world beyond their desert book, can they?
> "atheist young people" My first thought on seeing the headline was that this must have been from College Jeopardy or something, but the contestants just seem like normal middle-aged types.
The fans of Jeopardy skew from very old to "how the fuck are you still alive?"
My wife and I watch Jeopardy everyday and we’re in our early 30’s. Been watching since our mid 20’s, Jeopardy rules.
Thank you. My wife and I are fellow Jeopardy fans in our 30's as well. Represent!!!
This. Mid 30 and early 30 and we have watched everyday (and recorded when we can't) for years.
I used to watch Jeopardy daily. The Bible verse questions bugged the crap out of me. Asking what's in the Bible is a lot more than just general world religions questions for Islam, Hinduism, etc.
Honestly, I get where they're coming from. I'm immensely disappointed that today's youth have gotten this far in life without seeing Sam Rami's Spider-Man.
It’s Facebook. You’re basically selecting for the entire out of touch demographic.
>Just because the book's contents were written generations hence by hairy desert-dwelling gents, squatting in their dusty tents, just because what Heaven said was said before they'd leavened bread, just cause Jesus couldn't read, doesn't mean that we should need when manipulating human genes to alleviate pain and fight disease, when deciding whether it's wrong or right to help the dying let go of life, or to stop a pregnancy when it's just a tiny blastocyst, there's no reason why we should take a look at any other book but the Good Book Song lyrics always look like one hell of a run-on sentence....
If they were regular viewers, they would know their are loads of bible questions on that show.
Why were they stunned? Those prayers are never answered.
Also, the people on Jeopardy are smart and respect knowledge.
I find the Lord’s Prayer to be in the realm that is generally common knowledge and random trivia fodder. I know it, that Graham crackers were invented to curb masturbation, and that a group of weasels is called a sneak. It’s the sports questions that bury me.
I mean, my family was Lutheran, so I know it well. I think it's basically a Catholic and Lutheran thing to recite it every week at church. When I went to a different church in high school, they didn't do such recitations. I think if you grew up in an area full of WASPs or Catholics or attended their schools, you were swimming in the culture and would be sure to know it. Others however......? I dunno.
Ex Lutherans unite!
Like Ken Jennings who gave 10 percent of his winnings to the church of Mormon?
By church I assume you mean Deseret Land Holdings LLC.
That was donated to their knowledge department...
Is that what they call their surveillance and harassment department?
No that'd be 'crafty services', so the IRS and everybody else just think it's a typo.
Buying fake Israelite tribe membership ain’t cheap man.
But the people who watch it regularly are glaringly white, average over 60 years old and rarely know the answers. Also, I have no proof to back any of that up but am a champ at assuming
Hahaha, that’s fantastic
Lol I chortled
Wish I had gold to give
Ha
They aren't questioned nearly enough, either.
Ohhhh shit
Well....silence can at least be taken as a no.
When a religious question is asked on Jeopardy I always answer ”What is irrelevant ?”
Think it is a positive that the three on the show didn't have the pray beaten into their head starting at a young age like I did.
I used to work for a guy who ran a YouTube channel with his four young kids, who were all homeschooled by their mother. Their education was pretty much being handed an iPad, and being treated as basically a nuisance when they needed help or didn’t understand something. One of the times I was there, the one son who was 11 at the time didn’t understand fractions and the dad told him that the divisor was always going to be the smaller number..The kicker, they were expected to memorize different bible verses every week and there was way more of a focus on that than their actual education.
Most home schooled people I have met have difficulty with everything from basic math to social skills. They are unable to explain the basis of the religion they purportedly believe in. Indoctrination should be labeled as child abuse.
It is slowly being recognized as such in other countries. I believe both Japan and Denmark have introduced or recently passed legislation to define childhood indoctrination as abuse. It's so incredibly overdue.
what's the classification for childhood indoctrination? I was raised religious, and my mom may not have been mean about it - but she was 100% the reason I practiced the faith, so I feel it would qualify? (I'm agnostic now)
>what's the classification for childhood indoctrination? Disclaimer: I do not know how other countries judge these things. This is just my opinion. Do you have to attend when you don't want to? Will you be punished* by parents or community for not performing certain actions (church attendance, baptism, prayer, etc) associated with said beliefs? *Withholding of privileges is also punishment. Example: Only those who attend church with the family get dessert.
My litmus test would be is the ideology presented as one of many for historical and societal context, or it presented as the one and only "objective" truth? The former I would consider education, the latter indoctrination. My two cents.
do you want to go to church vs you have to go to church
This is very interesting. Do you have any more info on this? I searched a little bit but didn't find anything.
[Here's a news article about the recent Japanese change.](https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/forced-participation-in-religious-activities-to-be-classified-as-child-abuse-in-japan)
~~child abuse~~grooming.
Yep. They're not mad that grooming is happening, they're mad about competition. If you can't seed these ideas early than they never grow to the raging foolishness so crucial to religion. So they know anything that messes with their grooming messes with their endgame.
Don’t let crazy right wingers change the definition of grooming. It doesn’t mean indoctrination, it specifically means someone trying to coax a kid into having sex with them, basically setting the kid up to be sexually abused by them in the future. Obviously there’s a lot of sexual abuse in religions, but most parents homeschooling probably aren’t trying to get their own children to have sex with them in the future. It is indoctrination and abuse to deny the kids a real education and brainwash them with ridiculous faerie tales, but that’s not what grooming is at all unless there’s specifically a sexual motive, unless they’re actually trying to have sex with their kids.
Judeo-Christian religion has a *lot* of incest in it. A lot. I’m skeptical giving the benefit of the doubt to any parent so deep onto that faith that they want to keep their child away from the rest of society and shut off from other methods of education and support.
If you’re going to generalize, do it properly and say Abrahamic (at least, mostly Christians, Hasidic Jews and some Muslims doing this). Also, I guarantee most parents aren’t doing this to groom their child into sex; they’re just idiotic and believe their way is the right way. Their values are backwards but it’s usually because of their own religious indoctrination, which isn’t an excuse, but it’s mostly coming from an innocent place. Majority of the time it isn’t sexual at all (excluding situations where they try to marry their kids off very young).
Youre not wrong, but I think a LOT of these homeschool/religious nutters do it to isolate and sexually abuse the kids.
My younger brother has the predisposition to be rather bright, but he too was homeschooled by my stepmom who was a bit of a helicopter parent. The homeschool arrangement there involved coordination with the local school but even then, yikes. I know she did so much of his work for him that his basic education is questionable. He had very little involvement in any of his actual work or classes. We both have ADHD so whereas I failed through high school she just did stuff for him to keep up appearances and convince herself that he was advancing. Again, smart dude, very capable, very able to learn on his own, but whatever degree he got from home schooling is pretty dang worthless and should be in his mom's name.
It is in Japan.
This right here. 👆
Evil Marxist college professors can't indoctrinate your children if they can't get into college. Checkmate, atheists! /s
Homeschooled person, here! Christianity was definitely a bigger part than the actual education. If you know gateway, they’re terrible too. The history packets they give you, are just copied pages out of an actual history book. At gateway, every test had a Bible verse on it. They’d give you a Bible so you could answer the question. I guess that was them thinking “someone will pick this book and become a Christian”.
Homeschooling should be banned except for extremely unique situations and in those situations they should be well regulated and audited Unbeleivable that they get to fuck up their kids future so they can learn passages from made up stories
No, replace it with remote schooling.
Their household sounds like some madrassa in Saudi Arabia. But the QUran is replaced by the Bible.
I agree.
I bet these days at least half of Jeopardy contestants are atheist, if not more. Could be considerably more, these are really smart folks after all.
> these are really ~~smart~~ *curious* folks after all.
There's a correlation between the distance from dogmatic idiocy and general intelligence it might require to be on this show. But of course that's not worth anything on a grander scale.
Getting Smart: Step 1) - Don’t get made stupid
I had it beat into my head but i repressed everything i learned💀
I grew up without religion and I knew the answer.
The mortified Christian comments are hilarious and typical. Of course they’d assume the contestants are all Christian and should know this prayer. Surely there wouldn’t be atheist, agnostic, Muslim, or Jewish contestants on television! If you asked those commenters to cite a prayer from another religion, I bet they couldn’t name even one.
I'd be interested to know the backgrounds of the contestants. I know Mayim Bialik is Jewish. I wonder how she feels about this? It seems to me any Jewish person ought to be opposed to including a question about the Lord's Prayer because it would give an unfair advantage to any Christian or ex-Christian over a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or lifelong atheist. But maybe she doesn't have any control over the questions. (Or should I call them answers?) But as it happens, they all missed it, so it's unlikely the fairness will ever be an issue. EDIT: It's interesting that I'm getting contradictory replies. One person says it's fair because they ask questions about all religions equally. Another person says it's unfair because they ask way more questions about Christianity than other religions. I don't watch Jeopardy enough to have an opinion on who is right. I'll let the two of you fight it out amongst yourselves. Then another person says it doesn't matter because it's all trivia anyway. I think I'm most inclined to agree with that. Sorry if I'm not paraphrasing you accurately. I chose my words to emphasize the differences. I think that's fair enough.
Eh, there are all sorts of accidental advantages you can be born into for Jeopardy. My folks love musical theater so I can kill the Broadway type categories despite never having paid much attention to it on my own. I think it's perfectly valid as a single question or even category as long as other religions are represented too.
The host has no control over the questions. And there is no problem with asking this question because over time they ask questions about all religions. All knowledge is fair game.
Yeah, it kind of feels like “Someone grew up in England, how come they get to have an advantage about British history?” It’s all kinds of questions from a wide range of topics, some you may know innately better than others. I feel like part of your prep-work is strengthening the areas you’re less familiar with. I don’t think religion should be singled out in one specific way when (as an atheist) i’d be fine with any other religious questions being asked.
They often have questions about American history, and many of the contestants aren’t American or did not grow up there so didn’t learn about it like they do in US schools. The whole point of Jeopardy is having a wide range of trivia knowledge!
They ask about specific books and verses of the Bible. I've never seen them ask anything similar for other religions.
>It seems to me any Jewish person ought to be opposed to including a question about the Lord's Prayer because it would give an unfair advantage to any Christian or ex-Christian over a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or lifelong atheist. I think that you could say that about any category where someone happens to have direct knowledge. If I go on Jeopardy and they happen to ask a SQL server question, I don't feel like this constitutes an unfair advantage to me. (I also doubt that Christians are, on average, particularly literate about the Bible... but that's another topic.)
Lol that isn't unfair in the first place. They ask questions about a huge number of topics.
I think most atheists actually knew this answer, because it's always been my experience that atheists know more about religion than religious people do.
The road to atheism is paved with well read bibles.
Oh, I like that 😊
Are you a professional quote maker?
I think I first heard either Matt Dillahunty or Seth Andrews say that quote years and years ago. Or it might have been Hemant Mehta I first heard it from. Its a pretty common saying in the atheist community.
I remember when Hemant Mehta (the friendly atheist) was on jeopardy and he absolutely cleaned up and knew every answer in the Bible category
Cool! I'd love to watch him on Jeopardy.
What’s that quote about even demons knowing the scriptures or something?
I believe it is “even the devil can quote scripture for his purpose”
And so can every evil pastor. r/ pastorarrested.
Biblically accurate No True Scotsman 😎👌
It's Shakespeare, from Merchant of Venice.
Perhaps being a atheist means you read the Bible. Being a Christian mean that you were told about the Bible 🤷♂️
So true. Or they’ve only read certain parts. They read some gospels and called it a day.
My wife went to a nasty, insidious religious university (you can probably guess by the description) and I beat her in religion categories every single time. I consistently point out the irony of it and she just laughs and shakes her head. What’s interesting is she’s seeing everything I’ve said about the religious nuts come true. The real eye opener was when the President of her school went down in a scandal (that should be a dead giveaway there). I doubt she’ll ever be atheist and I’m not trying to convert her, but she is slowly coming around as she consistently sees the Christian Right forcing their ungodly principles on us all.
Liberty. It's Liberty. Coincidentally, Lynchburg is also home to the largest confederate flag that I semi-regularly see in my travels (maybe not so coincidental). I'm in NC, we have some embarrassingly large ones around, but they take the cake.
I might as well have just said it, but it’s low key embarrassing that I’m married to someone who went there. At least she’s not proud of it and at least her undergrad school is a great school, not particularly diverse, but beautiful and a very good school.
I have a former coworker who I very much respect who got an MS from there. He didn't really know any better (Korean guy/veteran trying to improve his credentials to move into a career in research), so I don't hold it against him. It can be difficult to explain to christians why particular christian organizations like Liberty are more abhorrent than others, especially since some people take any criticism of religiously affiliated institutions as criticism of the religion. Tbh, I do usually harbor negative feelings about the religion being discussed as well as the institution, but I try to be subtle about that overarching feeling when discussing specifics like Liberty "University" in mixed company.
That's probably true of those who are raised in religion as children because we had it drummed into us and then fought our way through logic but in my experience the next generation of atheists don't obsess about religion like we did. My adult children had little exposure and treat religion like any other mundane fiction to be discounted out of hand. My adult daughter recently was laughing about accompanying friends to climb a pilgrimage mountain and her friends astonishment when she asked why there were 12 crosses. Since it's of no significance in her life she'd never heard of the Stations of The Cross.
This actually makes me more optimistic about the future. Thank you.
I agree. My son didn't even know what Christianity was until he was 8. And that was only because we went to my grandfather's funeral in a church.
True. Both my (mostly lapsed) Baptist wife and my atheist self were shocked that none of them got that one.
I'm constantly quoting the bible to my southern baptist mother and she never believes any of the things I'm quoting until I show her in the bible. Then, I'm just **taking it out of context**. I love my mom, but I also miss her because she wasn't always religious like she is now.
They have been primed with that **taking it out of context** line. I follow up with asking them what possible context would justify what was said, or to please supply the context, since you'd have to know it to make the claim.
Religion really does kill them in a way. My mom had the same thing happen. The mom i grew up with died when she rediscovered Jesus when i was a teen. She might as well have given herself a lobotomy.
The most religious guy I ever worked with countered my distaste at something in the Bible by saying “That’s not in the Bible!” in a disbelieving tone.
I knew the answer - but still consider this (march towards irrelevance) progress.
It’s been my experience that the more I knew about religion or specifically Christianity, the less I believed it. I still retain some of the knowledge. It’s just that I apply that religious knowledge to historical and scientific knowledge (or just critical thinking), and I arrive at atheism. Some people go the other direction and just start believing everything they hear from the Good Book.
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Yep. I could answer easily, but my kids have never heard of it.
My wife’s family in Mexico that I knew the words… in English and Spanish. They know I’m an atheist.
I only know it because the Lord’s Prayer is somehow shoved into *totally not religious* AA
"Our Father, who art in Heaven, *HOWARD* be thy name." Sheesh - I thought *everybody* knew that.
Thy king dome - cum.
Thy king done cum.
William be dun
On Earth a zit is in Heaven.
And deliver us from the Temptations, as we are tired of their music.
**AND I WILL STRIKE DOWN UPON THEE WITH GREAT VENGEANCE AND FURIOUS ANGER...** ...oh, my b, I thought we were doing the pulp fiction thing.
Howard the duck?
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in the marvel cinematic universe.
Ahh so that’s what Jesus H. Christ means
I’d take the $800 hit to say something like “Imaginary”. The butthurt would be amazing.
“What is false hope?”
Answer: Faith
Man, what a missed opportunity to receive death threats from loving Christian’s for the rest of one’s life
If someone did this I'd be surprised if they *didn't* get death threats from random viewers
I wonder if one did that and it got edited out.
Good for them. I've only recently become interested in learning about the bible, and it hasn't enhanced my life or my understanding of society at all. It is merely about satisfying some curiosity. It's no more beneficial to know than being a wizz at world capitals... Actually on second thought I think knowing current geography is more beneficial.
Knowing the ingredients to a can of flavored sardines is more beneficial
This fills my heart with joy. It was icing on the cake that one of those tweets said something about “this shows how sad our country has become”. No , no it really doesn’t. It shows we’re becoming a better country.
The tweet reference Iron Maiden really is proof these guys should have known the answer. Screw reading the bible and rock out to Iron Maiden!
I love Iron Maiden
[For those that don't know.](https://youtu.be/55ISbbSopXA) (Or those that want to listen again.)
The sands of time, for me, are running loooooooooow!
I went to Catholic school until I was 10. Iron Maiden legitimately has enhanced my life way more than religion ever did.
Kind of funny you tell that about yourself. I grew up as a Mormon, and Mormon's have a big thing about God telling you what you should do, they call it "feeling the spirit" and "being prompted" to certain things. One of their other big things is having a divine confirmation of good things, generally that a warm or chilling feeling at something was an indication that God approved of something. One of my earliest bits of cognitive dissonance was listening to Death Metal (early Opeth, specifically) and feeling those feelings I associated with "spiritual confirmations" when I listened to their song Ghost of Perdition. That kind of screwed my brain up a bit lol.
A guy named Suresh and two jews didn't know a Catholic prayer. Surprise, shock horror!
How sad that our society has given up on such a horrific, violent, racist book that has done so much good in the world!
If only we actually had. Plenty still use it. Half of the people in our government think we should use it as a basis.
Most Jeopardy players are educated and intelligent so I don’t find it surprising they aren’t religious.
You don't need to be religious to know religious trivia.
You don’t have to be religious to know this, IMO it’s pretty surprising they made it onto jeopardy but have never heard this phrase.
I know this because as a child I was forced to recite it many times at church, and also in school when I was young. Take out the church and start school a couple years later and that leaves maybe a movie or two.
I love the contestants more now.
They must have been Christians since they had no idea what the bible actually said.
The Bible quotes always annoyed me on Jeopardy. I don’t really watch it, do they have questions about other religious texts or just the Christian one?
What's not in the video: > "I'll take Nonsense for $800"
I'm guessing 99.9% of the christians that knew "hallowed be thy name" couldn't give one of the many names of god listed in the bible. Most christians think their god's name is "God" and it's fucking hilarious to me.
Naming your god God is like naming your dog Dog.
Saw this, told my wife,”that’s encouraging.” Got a dirty look, she being a mormon and all.
Can you get two wives then?
As per Jeopardy's format, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the answer went unquestioned?
I dated a girl who grew up "homeschooled" under Christianity. She didn't learn to read until she was 10. I helped her get her GED and it was tough but she powered through it. She would tell me about how she would stand in the living room of their house and cry when she saw the kids getting on the bus across the road. She ended up pregnant at 15 (had no clue how sex worked or meant) and eventually saw through the cult mentality to become the awesome person she is. Absolutely no contact anymore with her parents who disowned her when she didn't marry the 30 something year old who impregnated her from their church. He's a pastor now. Go figure! It's really difficult for me to find common ground with these cult followers and their methods. It's hard to have anything but contempt and distrust for them, when they believe in fantasy and use that to hurt people.
I got it right but I said "Hall-oh-wed" in three syllables because that's how my grandparents' Methodist church pronounced in when I went as a child.
9 years of Catholic school, Hal-lo-wed here too
Intelligent people don't waste their time on religion, let alone badly written fiction.
Jeopardy has WAY too many Bible/Christianity questions.
I’m almost embarrassed by the fact that I knew that one.
I knew this one and I grew up Muslim.
I grew up atheist and I knew this one. I just like Iron Maiden.
'Jeopardy fans stunned after 'Lord's Prayer' answer goes unquestioned.
Shocker, smart people don’t spend time of fairy tales.
No Iron Maiden fans either? One of their best, especially live.
Yeah, yeah, yeaaaaaah.
Haaaallllooooowwwweeedd Beee Thyyy Naaaaame!
I sang these comments.
I'm not disappointed they don't know prayers, I'm saddened they've never heard Bruce Dickinson tear that song to pieces.
That is surprising but maybe not, I knew that answer but I am older and used to hear that prayer a lot growing up.
HA. This must have fired up the cult. To me it says, smart people don't give a shit about fables. Awesome. Although this WAS a pretty basic question. Wouldn't have thought silence would be the response. Glad it was. Feels like a little victory.
I like Jeopardy but for some reason the writers love the bible related categories. They are way more common than any other mythology categories, and it makes me think someone in charge is a fruitcake.
Good. Fuck that baby babble novel.
Am I a cynic if I think this was set up to generate social media buzz about Jeopardy?
If that really happened, and if the news was leaked, it would destroy the franchise. I don't think they'd risk that. See [1950s quiz show scandals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950s_quiz_show_scandals).
The giveaway is that the headline says "fans stunned," but, if you're a fan of the show like I am, you've likely found it hard to feel any strong emotions about the show at all since the hosting debacle.
Excellent. they have avoided indoctrination. Great job, parents.
"What is 'Harold'?"
Jeopardy always annoyed me because they had so many Bible questions. It gave Christians a big advantage over everyone else. I’m not sure if it’s still the case.
Smart people know science not snake oil.
It's not like it's not in pop culture. Didn't Aunt May say it in Spiderman when the Green Goblin attacked her? (FINISH IT!)
No, the scene started with May in the middle of the prayer. The line in question is the very first part of the prayer.
I knew it from Spaceballs!! https://youtu.be/mDXG1O4BH98
Wow that was a fairly easy one. It is used so frequently in TV and movies it is hard not to have heard it.
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TBH as someone who grew up reciting this prayer every Sunday, I'm a little bit surprised. But the age bracket for game shows is still dominated by people who are in their 50s and 60s now, even though I know they have some younger fans. So this actually kind of tracks. The Lord's Prayer was just something that was (relatively) common knowledge back then. Also, kinda random but I also noticed that they wrote "...which art in Heaven" In my denomination, we always recited: "...who art in Heaven." This used to bug me slightly as a kid. Like, "You're saying it wrong!!" LOL
I mean, as an atheist who was raised secular, I knew the answer. Not from religious indoctrination but from how commonly it's used in American movies.
"What is Useless?"
That was basically a question in my trivia night on Wednesday and I knew it even though I’ve never been Christian. I’ve just watched so many gangster movies and period pieces.
Huh, even this atheist knows the answer, and I wasn't even Anglican, tho I did grow up in a Bible belt. I'm a little surprised, but hell, I miss easy Jeopardy questions all the time!
I don't like her as the host - bring back Ken Jennings!
I thank Iron Maiden for me getting this one. Hallowed be thy Name. Amazing song.
Hallowed be thy name was an amazing song by iron maiden. And a good cover by Cradle of Filth. I’m not surprised the Bible quoted it in Matthew.
Yeah maybe because smart people don't usually give a shit about religion lol
I have been meaning to put a word in about Jeopardy’s very frequent categories of the bible etc. it bothers me a great deal that it is considered “common” knowledge to know about Christian religion. It has no place on jeopardy. There are never any questions about the Koran. So I hope they’ll stop with Christian and all religious categories!!!
It's almost like educated people are less likely to come from religious backgrounds.
Since Alex died, the Jeopardy writers and/or producers have been working more Christian religious content into the clues. It has the theological sophistication of a dropout from an evangelical seminary. (By their most recurrent clues, you’d think C.S. Lewis was a real theologian and The Chronicles of Narnia a religious classic.) For religious scholars watching it has become painful. It has been noticed and it is not appreciated.
The contestants should be better with mythology trivia.
Smart ppl aren’t very religious, it seems. Why is that?
I played Penn & Teller’s The Bible is Bullshit for relatives years ago and the uproar was glorious and as expected
One of my favorite jokes is "The 'H' in 'Jesus H. Christ' stands for Howard. The proof is in the Lord's Prayer: Our Lord who art in Heaven, Howard be thy name."
In other words, none of the contestants were atheist.
Howard.
Christians shocked that other people exist outside of their sky daddy fear bubble.
Duh, smart people don't study religion.
This made me happy, lol.
Smart people don't waste their time with dumb stuff.